How Did This Get Made? - Bad Boys: Ride Or Die LIVE!

Episode Date: December 27, 2024

This week Paul, June, and Jason are breaking down Bad Boys: Ride Or Die LIVE at the Miller Theater in Philadelphia. The three posit that the Bad Boys franchise might be better than the Fast and Furiou...s franchise, June reveals her great shame of this being her first Bad Boys film, and spoiler alert, they’re gonna Wobble, baby!  Tix for our Spring 2025 tour in Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boise, San Fran, Portland, & Los Angeles are on sale now at hdtgm.com.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaFor extra content on Matinee Monday movies, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerTalk bad movies on the HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmPaul and Rob Huebel stream live on Twitch every Thursday 8-10pm EST: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social mediaGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Mortality. Panic attacks. The afterlife. Whatcha, whatcha gonna do? Well, we saw bad boys ride or die, so you know what that means. Let's go, baby. Street fighter hope to blow off steam Just a sucker punch the on-line But typically great shot Little brother Demick, how you standin' alive? They call him the bad ass and he's on the line Cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice Cause they're bad Jim Bonny looking kind of nice Calling June, getting literal Jason is getting lame
Starting point is 00:00:58 Julis making sure all the monkey shots get paid They're just a bunch of movies while they making the grade Here's a real question for you How did this kid pay? Hello people of Earth and hello people of Philadelphia! We are live at the Miller Theater talking about one of the most important films to come out in 2024. out in 2024, Bad Boys Ride or Die. Now it would have been better if they used the title for Bad Boys 3 for Bad Boys 4, which was Bad Boys 4 Life, but we are stuck with Ride or Die. Fast and Furious would never make that mistake. What do you need to know? Well, it might shock one of the
Starting point is 00:01:48 people on the stage that Bad Boys started off as a conventional buddy cop film, but in Bad Boys 3 there are witches. Yes, they don't really touch on it in Bad Boys 4, but there are witches. Not like we think she's a witch, she a witch. And Bad Boys 4 ups the ante in every fucking way. I love this movie, I love it so much. We'll see what everybody else thinks. But I'll tell you this, what is it about? So many things.
Starting point is 00:02:24 IMDB says, when their late police captain gets linked to drug cartels, wisecracking Miami cops, Mike Lowry and Marcus Burnett embark on a dangerous mission to clear his name. Oh, what a poor log line. It doesn't even explain that there are ghosts! Ghosts are in this movie! One of our characters visits the afterlife
Starting point is 00:02:50 and there's a giant fucking crocodile. People, this, we must protect this franchise with everything that we have. This franchise saw what Fast and Furious was doing and said, you know what, we'll see that and we're gonna go one step further. I think by Bad Boys 5, they're gonna be fighting in heaven and I'll be there for it. All right people, to talk about this film,
Starting point is 00:03:18 let me introduce my cohost. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Manzoukas! What's up jerks! That's right! Let's go Philly! Let's go! Bad boys! Bad boys! Hey boys! Uh... Holy cow! Wow wow wow! Thank Paul, thank you. First of all, thank you. Because boy, are you lucky. Last night we watched Megalopolis for New York City.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Some of you were there. I know some of you were there, right? A powerfully shattering two and a half hour watch. This, wow, wow, wow, what a breath of fresh air. I was like, give me more. This just washed all over me. I was like, yeah. I rewound certain sequences.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Normally I'm just trying to get through it. Yeah, oh yeah. I'll tell you this. Not only did I watch the whole thing, this little teaser for later, there's a post-credit scene. Oh, I'm aware. All right, great. Oh, I'm aware. All right, great. Oh, I'm aware. All right, great.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And I wanna piggyback on what you said, cause I also put it in my notes, this movie cribs all the best Fast and Furious stuff, taking plot elements from past movies and retconning them to give us a bigger picture of a larger world that they can inhabit. Nobody dies anymore. Like, nobody dies anymore. Everybody's immortal except for the hundreds of civilians who must have been killed in all this stuff. My only solution that I think we have to
Starting point is 00:04:59 be gunning for is these two franchises need to meet. It would be... That's gotta be it. I mean, I'm there for it. Uh, I want it to happen. Yes, civilians die at a reckless degree. So, and you know what, though? They deserve to die. Because people, people are pulling guns constantly, and everybody's just going about their biz.
Starting point is 00:05:21 It's Miami, baby. Yeah, uh. Ladies and gentlemen, to talk a little bit about bad boys tonight, please welcome my other co-host, June Diane Raphael. Yeah. Woo. Woo. Woo.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Woo. Woo. Thank you. How are you, June? I'm well. How are you, June? I'm well. How are you, Paul? I am fine. Thank you for asking.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Of course. Now, June, I wanted to just check in with you because I love these movies. I don't make you watch them with me. Where do you fall on... Have you seen... Wait, but you do make her watch other movies with you? Sometimes. Make you is the...
Starting point is 00:06:02 Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's... I don't make you... You're's. I don't make you. You're welcome. I don't make you watch the movie. By the way, thank you for picking up on that. Oh, yeah. Are you safe?
Starting point is 00:06:11 Are you cool? Yeah. Sometimes I will strong arm June into watching a film with me. And begrudging you like it. You've upped make to strong arm? Thank you for seeing the difference. Wow, just heightening. Classic heightening. Sometimes I will just, you know, get her in a good old headlock
Starting point is 00:06:28 and make her. No, but where do you fall on the bad boy scale? Have you seen any bad boys? This is my first. I'm so embarrassed. No, this is so shameful. This is so shameful, and I realize that. And when I say that, you're not at all in it, really.
Starting point is 00:06:43 No, I know I'm not. This is perhaps the least safe space in. And when I say that you're not at all- No, I know I'm not. This is perhaps the least safe space in America. Believe me, I know. Don't applaud! Yeah! Listen. Absolutely proving my point, you fucking maniacs.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Things are dangerous at home and they're dangerous here in this theater too. I've never seen a bad boy movie. I'm so excited about it. My fault. That's my fault because- Wonderful stuff. Well, listen, this bad boys. What is the- From Ride or Die.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Ride or Die. Bad Boys Ride or Die is my favorite movie that I've ever seen. It's my favorite movie. I'm not, I really, this is my favorite movie that I've ever seen. It's my favorite movie. I'm not, I really, this is my favorite movie now. So that's something that happened. I do want to ask the audience, if it's your first Bad Boys experience, by applause. Oh, that's a number of us. Okay, I feel better. Also by applause, how many of you will go back and watch, for the first time, one through three?
Starting point is 00:07:47 Yes. Just know that one had a very small budget, so much so that an SUV just drives through a bunch of bicycles. Like, Derek, we need something to happen. Well, it's like when we did Fast and Furious 1, and the whole thing is about him ordering a great sandwich from Mia at the Toretto family sandwich shop while Dom is out stealing combination VCR DVD. I actually like, I just want to say something though, because Fast Now has been
Starting point is 00:08:18 brought up a number of times tonight. I actually think that we've done something very wrong on this podcast to elevate Fast and Furious the way that we have. Okay. This work. Has gone unacknowledged. Yeah. It's really, it's a crime and I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:08:39 All I can do is stand in feedback and say, I'm sorry. Yeah. And I didn't know. Yeah.'m sorry. And I didn't know. Yeah. It's tough. I didn't know. It's tough. There was a huge, what has made us able to do Fast and Furious
Starting point is 00:08:52 is they come out at a Fast and Furious clip. Right. And the Bad Boys franchise has huge gaps. So there's like 10 years between two and three, right? They're working on it, I guess, because I see it on the screen. I see that they've been putting a lot of thought... Just so you know. Just so you know, let me say one thing, Paul.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Let me say one thing. Paul, stop making two. Okay? Got it, got it. Strong arm. I just have to say that this comedic pairing has... I'm going to say it, I'm gonna say it, I'm gonna make some statements tonight,
Starting point is 00:09:26 it's lifted me out of a depression to watch the two of them on screen. They are great, it's so, they are crackling in the dialogue, they're together, nobody could deliver this, as let in, as let in as the Toretto's are, is as bright and effervescent as Will and Martin are. This movie knows what it is, but also then pushes it forward more.
Starting point is 00:09:50 It's like, yeah, yeah, we're dumb, but we're going to be really dumb. But also it works. And also it's real. And also they have real chemistry. No. And they're also dropping in. I'm sorry. There's a lot of mental health issues that they address in this movie.
Starting point is 00:10:05 And my mental health was saved. By watching it. Not only that, but it is a movie that is truly, as opposed to Fast and Furious, about family. Yes. These are parents and children and negotiating and renegotiating difficult relationships. This is family.
Starting point is 00:10:24 I cried multiple times in this movie. I genuinely wrote in my notes, I must be going through something. I keep tearing up. I teared up when Reggie saluted. I did too. When Reggie saluted the Ring Cam. I was like, Reggie, my guy.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Reggie, and I want, we'll get to it in a little bit, but Reggie, my guy! Reggie, and I want, we'll get to it in a little bit, but Reggie has been set up since two. Here's what I'll just say. Oh, Reggie's been set up since two. I will, I will get into all of- He enters as like a child. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:58 He enters as like the boyfriend of the daughter. I have the clip. I'm even happier. I just want to like put it in context, and we'll talk about this movie in present, but I want to talk about where this movie started. Bad Boys 1. It was a vehicle for Dana Carvey and John Lovitz. That's who Simpson and Bruckheimer are like, that's our movie. Dana Carvey, John Lovitz, they're our bad boys.
Starting point is 00:11:27 They... Pistachio Disguisey. They said... That's right, right? I can't like... Like Dumbledore with his wand in front of the pensive. I just pulled that name. Ouch.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Pew! Now... It's also like the space you've had to make in your brain for that name. Like what hasn't gotten in there? Yeah. Precious? What's going on? Why is this? Why do I have access?
Starting point is 00:11:56 It all lives up in our mind palaces. Now I'll tell you this. Just to add one more layer of it. So when this movie is made originally, Dana Carvey, John Lovitz, they say we can't do it, or they're not gonna do it, whatever happens. And then they go, well, the next guy we have to go to is Martin Lawrence, because Martin Lawrence is a big star. And Martin Lawrence is like, I'll do it,
Starting point is 00:12:15 but I want Will Smith. And they're like, no. Will Smith, not a movie star. We won't do it with Will Smith. Martin Lawrence is like, we have to do it. This is, to be fair, pre-Independence Day, pre-Will Smith movie star. Will Smith, like, from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air,
Starting point is 00:12:33 bulked up, did the first movie, it goes on and on, and I believe that Bad Boys 4 is now Will Smith going, Martin, something's wrong, I'm gonna bring it back in. Like, he, like, I feel like, like, Martin does not look well. And I'll tell you this much. I'm okay with it. By the way, be careful. I'm okay, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be careful because I-
Starting point is 00:12:54 He's one of the best we have to offer as a people. I'm sorry. He's doing amazing, he's great. But they needed to give him a heart attack in the first scene to be like, this man is just out of the hospital. We needed to get on that page. Like we needed to be like, both of them are not running around anymore. This man is hours outside of a heart attack. And as a result, is behaving in an unhinged fashion. So they're like, we need to create an inciting incident where everything else is in response to that.
Starting point is 00:13:30 The fact that he thinks he is immortal for this movie and then sets up so many great games for him to play. Okay, you have to know, in the beginning, these movies were Michael Bay movies. That's the stylistic, all the stylistic flourishes are Michael Bay movies. Yes, that's the stylistic and that's the Flourishes are Michael Bay flourishes from the all the the the careening camera all that stuff And then these guys where these guys from these guys are amazing a dill and balal there. There are two guys They're fucking fit. They did the last two and they were like watch watch me cook like Michael Bay They were like we're taking Michael Bay and going
Starting point is 00:14:05 nuts they I have so much to say about these guys but most notably the reason why they're back they did three with witches Will Smith did fuck a witch and that's his son from the witch's son just there are witches yep um there are witches but what I will do that there are witches. But we knew that, there are witches everywhere. What I will say though is, Adele and Bilal, they made the Batgirl movie that no one will ever see. And when that got shelved, they're like, fuck it, we're going back to Bad Boys. Because Michael Bay was like, come on back guys, we gotcha. And Michael Bay's really like kind of blessed them and given them like carte blanche to go make whatever the fuck they want to make. One of the things being they've always had this dream of having a steady cam on a rig that shoots out the gun.
Starting point is 00:14:52 That amazing scene. They're like, can we do that? Michael Bay's like, of course. Do it as many times as you can. And then they give it to Will Smith. He executes it perfectly gun camera back boom boom boom they give it to Martin and you can tell not quite as adept at working that steady cam he gets one push when when that scene happens in the Gator Reserve when the ass we're jumping actually right away I just want to say that segment where it becomes like a first-person shooter game where it's Cutting back and forth between first-person POV like bang bang bang bang bang bang, but then it's cutting directly out though I think what you're describing which is a very close Shot that's on them on a rig on them Will Smith is like bam bam bam
Starting point is 00:15:40 Martin is so funny what he's doing in that coverage, he's just like, chaos, chaos, chaos. That I'm like, yes, give me this all day. There is literally what they had strapped to them was a giant camera, and they had to like kind of push it out and then flip it around and pull it back in. It was like, it's a feat of strength, right, what they're doing. So it's really complex.
Starting point is 00:16:01 But I wanna just say that this movie from moment moment one when we get the POV from the watch I was like, oh shit. Yeah, this movie is good. We're getting a camera through the watch Yeah, it was watch cam watch cam Also Martin if we're to believe the movie Martin Lawrence has cameras all throughout the ring camera ring cameras ring cameras all throughout the interior of his house that's not how ring cameras are supposed to be working no I did have one question that maybe you both could answer I don't know if it's covered in one two or three but I I'm assuming they are they both have, so city, you know, tax-funded salaries. So-
Starting point is 00:16:47 Marcus has more money. Or Wilson has more money. Mike? Okay, because Mike, how? Because the amount of money he must have to have that house, I'm like, if anyone's being investigated on the force for ties to the cartel,
Starting point is 00:17:02 it should absolutely be Mike. And you're right, and I don't think they ever give it. And forgive me. Some nerd out there will tell us if that's me, that you're that on the nerd. Mike Lowry is a pretty boy, rich boy who had, yeah. And so like they never took him seriously. So in the first movie, he's living, he's like driving Lamborghini. He's driving poor. He's always been fancy rich boy that didn't think could hang in the,
Starting point is 00:17:24 in the cop world and that we kind of catch him he's already hanging but it's like but it is established that's just generational wealth he's sitting on yeah I think there's some great for him oh yeah that's me he actually invested in I heart radio or something and he was first on so when I knew that... Mike Lowry is on the board of directors at iHeart. And in the movies he's on Shark Tank. It's weird but not in real life. So when I knew this movie was going to be special was they give Martin Lawrence a heart attack. And I'm
Starting point is 00:18:01 like, oh interesting. But then he falls through the floor so cool and I'm like what this is becoming like an art house movie. He falls into like the limbo-esque world that I believe is from Black Panther like he falls into that it's in that the color saturation and all the stuff is very reminiscent of that world where you can talk to the dead Yeah, dead can impart. Why does Joey pants have to whisper? They're there alone That fucking parrot. Oh that you don't trust it. Never talk in front of a parrot. Just so you know Joey pants is an integral part of the early.. I certainly got that. I certainly picked up on that.
Starting point is 00:18:46 It's classic Joey Pant. Well, I was so excited to go back and I have to say, and I don't know if you all felt this way, but not having any information about what happened between his son, the relationship between them and the captain, like I was a thousand percent on board and invested in all these relationships, missing major plot holes.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Because there's a lot, you're right, and that's testament to a good movie. Yes. Because for someone who, and a lot of you are in the same boat, who doesn't know this movie is suffused with lore. Every single person in this movie is basically a character from one of the other movies, who is either continuing to move that role forward or recalibrating that role Fast and Furious style. I was the bad guy, the son, now I'm the good guy, I'm on the team. It's creating like George R.R. Martin level lore for basically Miami cops fighting drug dealers. I mean that's where we started and now we're like,, this guy, the tall guy, we also have this guy.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Like, Joey Pant's doing so much trying to deep dive on the conspiracy that he's made these videos, multiple videos on one day. He's like, ah, fuck it, I guess it's the day I'm making my dead man videos. Okay, but here's a problem I have with the videos. I mean, I guess, and I don't have any problems, by the way, but if I were to, I would
Starting point is 00:20:05 just ask like, he seems on the video so resigned that he's dying. He's not gonna make it. It seems as though he's dying that day. He's drinking a whole bottle of booze like he's dying today. I know, and it made me think like, well, he knows this is sort of an insurance policy. And I guess you have to get in that character to make those videos. But wow, it really seemed like he had reconciled his own death. Yeah. You know, come to terms with his life. I think he's upset, he's like, fuck, fuck, fuck. Like, let's watch clip three. What the hell?
Starting point is 00:20:42 He's texting us from the other side. No, he's not Marcus. If you've seen this, I'm probably dead. Fuck. Fuck me. Before I begin, I want to say one thing. I'm putting you in mortal danger. Boys, we got rats in our walls.
Starting point is 00:21:10 But I got to make sure you're my bad boys. The Coke bottle giant is the key. Don't trust anybody. Who's working the camera for him? What's up? What is happening? His camera has movement. It's pushing in. His wife.
Starting point is 00:21:32 I don't know. He's like, honey, can you tape my death video? Yeah. Or he might have edited the video after and just gave himself a... He's got one of those weird GoPro arms. A gimbal. He shot it on a selfie stick on a gimbal. I just love that he has gone so deep, but he hasn't told his two bad boys that he has
Starting point is 00:21:54 been good like so he's in working silently like he wouldn't say hey look, just get guys just FYI. If ever die look into this. He's like can't tell them, how was he investigating anything? He's not told anyone. Well, and we're also forgetting that the reason they received this video is because his home personal computer has been somehow infiltrated and he's, he's created some sort of a trap. Yes. So that, which I was like, these, these tag, the tech team on the bad end of the spectrum
Starting point is 00:22:28 seems so sophisticated. They can't get into a home personal computer. Not only that, not only that, if I'm Joey Pants and I'm sitting on that level of stuff, if I die, all that documentation should go to the bad boys. Right. It shouldn't wait until someone tries to log on to a single laptop. That's crazy. And I do believe there has been a large chunk of time between bad boys three where he is
Starting point is 00:22:56 shot and bad boys four. So his wife has not shut down anything in his office. Those computers, because you have to log, like there has to be something to log, like it's like, oh yeah, the computer's on in his desk, he's getting into it, but like maybe they're just leaving his office up as like they've never shut off his computer, but then, huh, I mean, look. It is.
Starting point is 00:23:18 And there's multiple videos, that's the thing is, it's like, it's basically a scavenger hunt. It is. And the scavenger hunt keeps, what a joy for Joey Pant's character to be like, oh, I get to make another video. Well, you've made it this far. But then he's also talking to the Coke bottle giant.
Starting point is 00:23:35 He's going to that guy like, okay, look, I'm gonna give you a barcode. You gotta hide this somewhere. Well, why? I can't get into it. Oh yeah, the QR code that I was like did did and he was like it's hidden in something beautiful like the QR code in the visual art? Yeah. I was like this is a not beautiful and it everybody points
Starting point is 00:23:55 cameras at a QR code. People in public who see a QR code there's just a cop who's like hey look at this I just happen to be pointing my camera at this piece of art. Jason not just a cop that's Vanessa Hudgens. Sorry. Part of the ammo division. Now what's amazing about Vanessa Hudgens she's in this movie partnered up with the other guy. What's nobody nobody junior right from the Fast and Furious movies? No it's not Scott Eastwood. No it's not Scott Eastwood? No, it's not Scott Eastwood. It is Alexander Ludwig. Damn it. Do they look similar?
Starting point is 00:24:28 No? How about if I say do they look similar and you guys all agree? Do they look similar? Yeah. We'll put that in. Now, I will tell you that they are part of a- I desperately wanted them to be the same character
Starting point is 00:24:42 because that could be the pivot point. Oh, that would be amazing. Or the same actor for a Fast and Furious. You can get Kurt Russell in one of these. Incursion. Yeah. There is one thing that I'll say is that the ammo team, we're only left with two members of,
Starting point is 00:24:53 they were set to take over the Bad Boys franchise in three. It felt like the Bad Boys were being pushed out for the ammo team. Oh, they were the Jeremy Renner of the Bourne. Yes. Of the Mission Impossible world. And Mission of both. Oh yeah, both.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Wait, so what's the name of Martin's? Marcus. No, Marcus's nephew who's former military. Reggie. He's not former, active Marine. Sorry, active Marine. Is he set up at the end to be a bad boy? Well, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:25:23 I mean, I wanted, I actually did pull the clip of Reggie's first appearance, and I think what makes it even better, can we play that first clip of Reggie? This is the first time we ever meet Reggie. What the fuck are you? Hi Mr. Bennet, I'm Reggie. What you doing here?
Starting point is 00:25:38 Can you take out Megan? What? Can you take out Megan? How old are you? 15, Mr. Bennet. Motherfucker, you look 30. What's wrong with my dick? I don't have none on me. What you want out Megan? How old are you? 15, Mr. Bennet. Motherfucker, you look 30. So what is my date? I don't have a name.
Starting point is 00:25:49 What do you want, nigga? I'm here to take you. Please throw that home. What's your name? Reggie. Motherfucker, I heard the motherfuckers say your name, Reggie. You want me to take Megan out? How old are you? 15.
Starting point is 00:25:59 Shit, nigga, you at least 30. And this is my date. Now listen, have my daughter home at 10-01. If she ain't home at 10-01, I'm in the car, okay? Lock, loaded, and huntin' your motherfuckin' ass down. Do you hear me? And I'll be the fuck up, Reggie! And if I'm there, you know what it's gonna be?
Starting point is 00:26:16 Chitty-chitty bang-bang, nigga. That's what it's gonna be. Marcus! Oh, Reggie, baby, I am so sorry. Please forgive Megan's dad and his silly friend. You a virgin? Yes. All right, keep it that way.
Starting point is 00:26:26 Ain't gonna be no fucking that night. Baby, the red shirt's nice. I like that. You guys have a good time. You ever make love to a man? No. You want to? Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Hey, have a good time, baby. All right. All right. Wow. Now. Wow. Now, arguably. Come on!
Starting point is 00:26:45 Arguably, that's the most screen time Reggie has until this movie. He's background, so he gets married. He's always background in a bunch of scenes. And he's always like this. He has a couple of lines and they just go in on him, like in the barbecue and the chicken scene at the end of this movie. That's such a great game. Wow.
Starting point is 00:27:03 I can't believe... First of all, I didn't realize that Reggie wasn't related to Merton. No. His son-in-law. Now I understand that. Okay, son-in-law, okay, okay, wow. But he's 15 there. So it's so funny for them to,
Starting point is 00:27:14 who had the genius idea of like, wait a minute, what if we let Reggie do a whole, like a whole set piece just for him? That's what he's doing. Dylan Bellale, they are the ones. Now I'll tell you this much, that's the other thing about the bad boys movie. piece just for him. Dylan Bellale. They are the ones. Now, I'll tell you this much. That's the other thing about the bad boys movie.
Starting point is 00:27:26 They franchise out the action to a lot of other people. I mean, they do some scenes. Yes, Martin will be on his knees on the hood of a car, not running. The car will be running for him. By the way. I was like, the way they're coming up with ways to keep him not mobile is great. Now that I see him in this shot, at first when you said we had to explain why Martin looks the way Martin looks, I was like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:54 I think that's kind of cruel, Paul. I think Martin looks great. Now after seeing this, I'm like, okay. I mean, it's fine. We just got to know that Martin is like... It's so funny. And weirdly, Will Smith looks younger now, so I don't know what's happening. Oh, it's incredible. It is fine. We just got to know that Martin is like... Yes. And weirdly, Will Smith looks younger now. So I don't know what's happening.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Oh, it's incredible. It is wild. But the idea of Martin, they're doing such creatively bizarre things to do. Like that scene where it is as if he's jousting on top of a car, chasing those guys. But then, so he gets to have all this weird action stuff. But then all of the emotional, so much emotional stuff is on Martin, I feel like. Because when they go to Will Smith's wedding, we hear all of his wife's vows, none of his vows.
Starting point is 00:28:36 He says not a word. And then she finishes and Jay Shetty's like, your husband and wife. And everybody's like, what's this asshole doing here? And nobody knows what's going on. I was like, why don't we get any of, but Will Smith, he is not emotional until the end of the movie.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Yes, and it's also crazy that in that scene, you have to understand at that point, I didn't know Joey Pants was in the movie. Right. But you saw the giant picture. But while we're pulling out on that ceremony and I'm like, who is that? It's a huge.
Starting point is 00:29:08 And it's so big. If you're going to do that, by the way, you have a stand and you have a small eight by 10 max. And that's a lovely touch. Can you just think of it? This was bizarre. Can you think of it though? People normally do that for their parents.
Starting point is 00:29:23 These are two adult men, or one adult man who's this is his boss. Yeah. Like now I know that he was like he was there when the guy died, but it is an odd thing. I do need a giant eight. I do need like a three foot by four foot picture of my old boss. It is what you would normally see at like a funeral service. Yeah. Or awake. It's a closed casket kind of situation.
Starting point is 00:29:47 It suggests that the focus of this day is on this dead man. Yes, and this dead man alone. Like, the way that that portrait steals focus from this wedding. And that his, like, granddaughter gets to give a speech? Yeah. Like, you know what? It's like, you give a speech now.
Starting point is 00:30:09 They're like, hold on, we're getting too far away. He's not a relative. This kid doesn't know them at all. And she's just kind of embodying what her grandfather might have said? Yeah. Wow. I mean, why not have Ray Sehorn do it?
Starting point is 00:30:25 Like, she's an adult. Because even at that point, I felt like Ray Sehorn was like, I'm not fully in with these guys. No, she has to, I think it's so that the daughter can be, or the granddaughter rather, can be the hostage. Okay, so if Joey Pant's daughter is Ray Sehorn, and then Ray Sehorn's daughter is the granddaughter who loves...
Starting point is 00:30:45 Callie. Callie. Why, you would think like, like Joey Paine's like, oh my bad, I love my bad boys, Ray. I love my bad boys. And Ray would be like, oh yeah, the bad boys are good because you're my dad. Like it seems... No, she doesn't... She thinks they killed him. No, Will Smith's son killed Joey Paine. Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:02 So that's what she's mad at. So that makes sense to me. Right. But she's going after them. She's not necessarily going after them. What she is saying is, I am stung. I am hurt. My father is dead. And if I could get a shot at your son, regardless of the fact that he's your son and I have
Starting point is 00:31:18 love for you both, I will put that guy down. And I think it's a hard position for her to be in, to go and celebrate the man whose son murdered her dad. Yeah. Well, no, he's not at the wedding. No, but I'm saying his son. I would love it if he got released from prison just for the day. And he's just in that cage?
Starting point is 00:31:38 Yeah. Oh my god, that cage. That airplane scene. That cage. Why do they keep him like Magneto but yet let him go out into the prison population for like physical activity with everybody? It's like that cage it's truly yeah it's meant for people who eat people like that's the only reason to ever have to be in a cage like that. But I loved it. I loved it. It was certainly evocative. The very first, they're in a helicopter, the very first moment that the pilot is killed,
Starting point is 00:32:12 30 seconds later, everyone in that helicopter should be dead. Should immediately, they execute a level of stuff that is only available in the Fast and Furious movies. They would be boom, boom, boom, everybody dead. Every bone broken, but they are just like, they're fighting, they're jumping, they're untying things, they're unlocking things. And Martin is in one spot on the ceiling holding a rope.
Starting point is 00:32:39 Everyone else is, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. I'll just stay here, I will not move. They get the sun out and the sun and Martin land the helicopter. I was like, what? At one point I got lost in, it's such a long sequence that I truly got lost in the geography of the helicopter. I was like, are there wings to this helicopter? At a certain point, I thought it was a jet, a plane.
Starting point is 00:33:06 You'd have to. It had the interior of a cargo plane. Yes. Except that it's a helicopter. Now, here's my question. And why are they taking their guns? I don't know why they're taking their guns. They're only two passengers.
Starting point is 00:33:16 And also, why did they need a helicopter to transport an impact man? Well, this is the big question. Because they drove there earlier. And, and they drive back because when they are running through the swamps, they get in the car and then all of a sudden they're in downtown Miami. I'm like, why did they go? It's a 45-minute flight. And I found myself going, where are they even going?
Starting point is 00:33:42 They're keeping him safer? But I'm in a car. And also they steal Hillbilly clothes, but they don't wear hats at all. And they just go back to Miami and go to every place in the city. Just like, so, so wanted. They are the most wanted people. It is an indictment of everybody in the police force in the FBI what is racy horn a marshal or I couldn't quite understand
Starting point is 00:34:10 what department she was in because I assume she was FBI because she did she's a marshal I don't know really know the difference between a US marshal and she's like Tommy Lee Jones going after Harrison Ford. She's a US Marshall. She's like Rayleigh Givens from Justified. Okay, great. Okay, wonderful. That's cleared up. One of my favorite things about her and Vanessa Hudgens when we first see her is there is, and this is such a like, it's such a cop movie trope where the female cops all wear their hair in low buns. Low chignons. It's like, why can't they ever have their hair down? And I love this scene for Vanessa Hudgens when in what we've talked about, the Reggie scene,
Starting point is 00:34:51 where Reggie's kicking ass, it's all being shown on the ring cams, and so everybody in the safe house is watching on the screen all this stuff, and so everybody's just reacting like, oh whoa, Reggie, wow, look out behind you, all this kind of stuff. In the background, and behind all of them, with her back to the screen, they're reacting so hard. Vanessa Hudgens just loading guns.
Starting point is 00:35:10 To the point where I was like, oh, this is gonna come back somehow. No, once is she like, wait, what's up? This sounds fun to watch. She's like, gotta load these guns. My favorite part of that is this guy. This guy who is not Scott Eastwood has shown himself to be an amazing tech wizard.
Starting point is 00:35:38 He's done it already. We know he's a tech wizard. And then Martin goes, hey, can you hack into my ring cam? And he's like, yeah, just give me your username and password. It's not hacking in. If you have the two things, like, yeah, you have the app. No, just pull it up on your phone. Here, there's your ring cam. Done. Then hack into it. I hacked it. Like you hacked into my computer. My password is Snickers89. But by the way, here, is it a safe house, Jason? You said that that place was-
Starting point is 00:36:09 A safe houseboat. Okay, because that just seems like his houseboat. It is his house. Right. But why- Boat. It was his houseboat. But why doesn't the US- Why do they always have houseboats? They have to.
Starting point is 00:36:21 I just want to throw it out there. I love a movie with a houseboat. Nobody, there are more houseboats per capita in our movies than in our world. And that's a damn shame. Sorry, June, please. No, I believe that is his permanent residence on the houseboat. So why does, they seem to be there for a long time. Why doesn't the US Marshal Organization ever think to check out their closest friends on
Starting point is 00:36:47 the force? Yes, can I add to this? Because at a certain point, they are using the hacker, the guy's, not Scott Eastwood's ability to hack and get into cameras for all over the place. And they're watching the cartel, the baddies, Eric, it's Eric Dane, right? Eric Dane and the baddie are both attacking both Will Smith's house and Martin Lawrence's house. And they're like, oh shit, that's my house.
Starting point is 00:37:09 We gotta get there, we gotta warn them. They are the biggest fugitives in the country, probably, at this point. Millions of dollars out on their head. You're telling me there's no surveillance on the houses? There aren't police, FBI, or marshals staking out their homes and being like, how come there's an execution squad
Starting point is 00:37:27 heading into this suburban household? Should we check that out? I will go one step further. They don't have to go to the household, they could go home. Nobody's watching the house. I will go one step further in that they walk through the kitchen of the strip club
Starting point is 00:37:41 and then Ray is like, oh, we got a lead so wait you got a lead so someone's currently uploading the security footage from the kitchen of the strip club like to you on me like they just walked through seconds ago oh yeah who's doing that what I love about these movies is, boy, is it full of plot holes and flaws and absolute lunacy in terms of story construction, but I don't give a fuck. Put it straight into my brain. I also want to unpack the big question of the thing. Did Martin Lawrence have an afterlife experience or is he imagining it?
Starting point is 00:38:30 Because you said he thinks he's unkillable. I think he is unkillable. And he, cause look, he does some stuff that's pretty crazy, right? Like he- Yes, but I think I fall in between you. I think that he did have an experience with the afterlife that was very profound.
Starting point is 00:38:48 And even though all of the footage we saw in that montage of the afterlife, he describes later on that they've been having, their souls have been in this friendship, learning from each other over many, many lifetimes. But that wasn't the footage we saw at all. No, no. It's not like soul mates. He says we're soul mates. Right. I understand. But from what, what did he see that would ever make him think that?
Starting point is 00:39:13 But I do think whatever happened down there, up there, wherever was deeply profound. And because he had a brush with it, he somehow convinced himself that he can escape death. And that is not true. I think that's true, and I agree with you, but I think, and the only thing that tells me that is, in the previous movies, and correct me if I'm wrong, he is, like, he is fearful. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:39 He is the scaredy cat. They switched the roles here. Yeah, so it gives him the ability to, for the first time, be front of the action rather than, let's not do this, like, trying to pull it back, trying to rein Mike in. Now he's out, he's being irresponsible. He's putting them out.
Starting point is 00:39:56 I'm enjoying this movie more just three hours after watching it, knowing all those things. When has that ever happened? Never. But here's the thing, he also seemingly has special powers because when he does eat the jelly beans and drink the punch, he is like, he hulks out and he's like, he goes. Well, that's also me on sugar. I mean, that's just like.
Starting point is 00:40:19 That's just a sugar rush. Yeah. But now that brings me to my other point, which is, at the end of the movie, I'm just skipping ahead because I want to unpack this idea of the afterlife. At the end of the movie, we'll Smith. This is the best interpretation of the afterlife I've ever seen. I mean, this is... Wow.
Starting point is 00:40:38 This made me believe in a life after death. I mean, this is why, yeah, this is... I hope when I die, Joey Pants is there. Well, this is the question. Remember, midnight run! I mean, this is why, yeah, this is, whew. I hope when I die Joey Pantz is there. Well, this is the question. Remember midnight run! This is the question that I have, because at the end, Martin Lawrence has seen the afterlife.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Will Smith has not seen the afterlife. But Joey Pantz appears to Will Smith and forgives him. He's like, hey man, my death, not your fault. And then that snaps will Smith out of it But is that will Smith just telling himself that or I think with the language of the movie It's Joey pants because Joey pants did foresee Everything or is that just will Smith giving him permission to be over it I mean, I think so I think both this is a father figure for both of these men.
Starting point is 00:41:25 And I think both of them in their crisis moments are having experiences interpreting their lives through the lens of this father figure. The movie wants to interrogate an un-afterlife and what it means to, because Martin comes back from the heart attack and says, it's not my time. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:43 And I also, I understand the confusion about like, is that a ghost or is that actually him or where is that guy coming from? Or is Will Smith about to die? And that's why he's seeing him. I thought that it was, I agree with Jason, just him really confronting this like deep, deep pain and Joey, you know, Joey Pant stands in for so much in this movie.
Starting point is 00:42:07 So then I'm just going to spiral it out one more time. I thought the panic attacks that Will Smith is having is- Love that. Love it. Honestly, love it. To see a buddy cop, to see like a blockbuster cop movie and see what our main character having panic attacks? I was like this is... But that's something you won't see in the earlier ones. Okay. Yeah, you know, but that's what's so fun about this movie is he's changed a little bit but he's having a panic attack and I think, oh he's having a panic attack because he loves his wife and he was
Starting point is 00:42:40 excited about the future of his wife but then at the end he's like no no no he's just upset because his because he killed Joey Pantz, or he didn't kill Joey Pantz, but he feels, I thought it was like a combination of things, but it seems like sometimes the panic attacks full on, sometimes not there at all. Because he does kick ass a few times in this movie, but just to answer the question,
Starting point is 00:43:01 was he really in the afterlife, we do have the post credit scene. 305 BC. Come on, bring your ass on. It's too hot out here for this shit. Wish I had a horse. At least I could ride that motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:43:12 All this free air out here and I still smell your stinking ass. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey.
Starting point is 00:43:20 I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. I curse you, donkey. that motherfucker all this free air out here and I still smell your stinking ass I curse you donkey I curse you for all life time you mother fuck you Marcus fuck you Marcus the donkey says fuck you Marcus. The donkey says fuck you Marcus. Yeah. In Will Smith's, this is wild stuff. So now I believe everything. Is that ending? I now want to see a donkey movie where it's
Starting point is 00:43:56 Eddie Murphy's donkey and Will Smith's donkey and we connect the Shrek-a-verse and the bad boys of Earth. Bad donkeys. And it's double donkeys. Before we get to the audience, Oh, I'd rather not. you brought it up. Abandoned Gator Park, where they... Why not? So when I first...
Starting point is 00:44:16 Why not? It's Florida. Why not? And they don't say anything. They don't say anything until so far. They keep cutting back to the bad guys, and they are in a place where there's a giant statue of a dinosaur when I saw that I was like huh what's going on here and it because they don't talk about it they don't
Starting point is 00:44:32 mention it and then as they're flying in there oh just so you know this is an abandoned gator park and no they go what are those oh not Scott Eastwood goes gators. What? The crazy part about that is that they've already decided to put Armando, what's the son's name? They've already decided to put him in the water with all that gear, fully knowing there's a crazy albino gator on the loose.
Starting point is 00:45:00 A 16 foot, 900 pound albino gator. And many other gators just that are straight up regs gators. The thing that I couldn't get over, there's a scene at the houseboat where Will Smith is saying to Rita, Marcus, you all are the only people we can trust the people who are right here All of us was the only people we can trust right now and then they cut to them on an airplane with an older white gentleman Who's Tommy Bahama that they're flying with? What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:45:46 Everybody and also my friend Dave. Now be cool when Dave gets there. Don't tell him too much shit. He's going to want to tell you about it in his grandkids. The pilot I felt bad for because then the guy who's running from there is like pointing a gun at him, let's get out of here. Then they shoot him down. I'm like, this guy's just grinding.
Starting point is 00:46:04 But they also... This is a gig economy. He's flying people around the swamps of Florida. His life is already a nightmare. But they also, they do a good service to him because when the helicopter crashes through a building, they're going through and then they just have him like... He's like kind of just hanging out the door like,
Starting point is 00:46:23 what a ride. Like, he's like kind of just hanging out the door like, what a ride. Like, like, he's alive. He's alive at the end. It's basically A-Team rules. Right. Almost no one dies unless they are a very bad person. All the hostages would have been killed in the crossfire of this fight.
Starting point is 00:46:38 100%. Because nobody is tactically shooting, nobody's shooting from cover. Everybody is just running full bore Nobody is tactically shooting from cover. Everybody is just running full bore like they're at paintball and it's a drunken bachelor party. It is just like, ah! There is no like, okay, go, go, go, go.
Starting point is 00:46:57 It's just like everybody's full on. There is so much cover. There's so many boxes. There's so much stuff to hide behind. Not interested. Just run straight much stuff to hide behind. Not interested. Just run straight. And that's everybody. Everyone is going down straight hallways very quickly.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Giving all of their enemies a complete target. So now, before this scene starts, I guess we have to address... This is the moment that Will Smith gets to address the slap. I mean, this is the moment. This is the big... It does feel like the moment. I wrote this moment. Oh yeah. I didn't know it was pre... It was post slap. This is post slap. So this is... That's why you have this whole sequence here where it
Starting point is 00:47:34 is like, all right. Are you going to play it? We had like, this is the first... I don't have it. I don't know it. But the idea was... I think the idea was what is he going to... Because it's the first movie made after it. is he gonna address it? Like, we, we, like they said in the press, right, we do something, we address it, we address it. And I feel like the way they addressed it was by saying, hey, Will's got some panic attacks too, he's not a perfect person, and then we're gonna smack the shit out of him
Starting point is 00:47:58 a couple times too. And then because he got smacked a couple times, it's like that evens out. All right, so let's go to the crowd, let's see what everybody's thinking out here. that evens out. All right, so let's go to the crowd. Let's see what everybody's thinking out here. All right, sir, what's your name? Doc Brown. All right, Doc Brown, what do you got?
Starting point is 00:48:12 Two questions. Will this be in Unspooled next week? And OK, let's make sure. Dare you, Doc Brown. Honestly, though, Doc Brown, I did, while watching, I was like, this is on the wrong podcast. I don't... It's one of the rare ones that can be on both. Paul, do you, Jason, and June not have to do the wobble?
Starting point is 00:48:30 It was in the wedding scene. Oh, yeah. No, I've never done it. But I enjoyed that sequence. You gotta wobble. I don't do dances. Doc Brown, can you show us the dance? Yeah, turn the music on.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Do we have any... What would be... We'll get on. Do we have any what would be we'll get music we'll get can we get music Brian can we get any music? What's the Doc Brown do you have a particular song? No no it's called the Wobble. Oh it's called the Wobble? Hey hey hey hey you have it you're pulling it up. Hey I'm trying to play song. I don't know it. If you have it. I'm learning be kind Philly I know that's impossible Because most of you are out of your fucking minds. I can put it to the microphone If anyone knows though, I'll get it. I'm gonna play it on I think I have it right here
Starting point is 00:49:19 So I'm gonna hold the mic. An entire theater of balcony monster. Alright, so if anyone if anyone knows it This is where we should all an entire theater of balcony monster. All right, so if anyone knows it, this is where we should all. ["Balcony Month"] Stay up, yes! Yes! Yes! Keep it going! Balcony!
Starting point is 00:49:35 Here we go! Here we go! Yes! Let's go, Philly! Only women are dancing! That's an indictment to the men of Philly! Yes! This is the best!
Starting point is 00:49:50 I love Doc Brown. Doc Brown, home run. Thank you. This guy gets it. Here's what I think. We do this movie. We come back to Philly. We see the Wobble, the first ever dance party.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Now we're meeting a couple that just got married. Oh! Oh! Oh! Just got married. They're in their beautiful outfits. They're in their wedding outfits? Did you come from the wedding?
Starting point is 00:50:19 Yeah. What? Yes. That's what I'm saying. They are in their outfits. Play the song! Play the song! Do it! Billy get up there! Let's go! And then I have a heart attack and I fall through the floor.
Starting point is 00:50:40 Holy shit! Holy shit! Do we have to license that song? Congratulations. They don't even have a question. They just came from there. Everyone that they're with is in full wedding outfit. The whole group? The whole wedding? Yes. Wow. Holy shit. Well, you definitely saw something we've never done. Wow, that's amazing. Congratulations. Incredible stuff. All right, now come on over here. Who am I coming to? You.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Come on over here. Incredible stuff. Did anyone else feel as though the albino alligator could have been like Joey Pants' ghost? That's interesting. That's the best question we've ever gotten. Why not? Why not?
Starting point is 00:51:22 I would believe it. I would love it if in the way that the donkey speaks with Will Smith's voice at the end, if after chomping on the bad guy, Duke the albino alligator speaks with Joey Pant's voice and is like chomp chomp yum yum, I like that. All right, this is a birthday question, here we go. I'll hold the mic. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:51:45 My God. All right. So when he woke up from his coma, he called his wife and she didn't seem terribly surprised for him to call. She was not at the hospital. None of his family members were at the hospital. Just noted. So what were they doing?
Starting point is 00:52:04 They were cleaning out the cupboards. Here's what I'll say. Martin Lawrence gets out of a bed, pulls off the things that are on his body, walks to the roof and is standing on the ledge and no hospital person comes out, one. Casually. Casually.
Starting point is 00:52:22 And they're like, get back in there. And she's like, okay. The minute he pulls half of those things off, alarms are going. You would think that they would also have an alarm on the door going to the roof. Oh, yeah. She seems, I mean it made me, I mean I have actually seen the Florida health care system and it does check out that she was like what's going on? Okay. Yeah. I think they were going a long way in that scene to get to showing Martin Lawrence's ass.
Starting point is 00:52:50 And it's like, we could have done that. Oh, I didn't expect you coming. I didn't expect you to come out that way. We could have gotten there in so many other ways. We didn't need him to almost throw himself off the roof. But I gotta say, good looking ass. Oh, okay, Paul. Okay. Okay, Al Pacino in heat.
Starting point is 00:53:08 All right, if we said you had a second opinion song, make your way down here. All right, so you can start us off. All right, so what you're gonna do is you're gonna stay, you can face the audience to turn, yeah. You can move it down or make it meet your mouth, that's great. I'm gonna say-
Starting point is 00:53:23 Please never say the phrase, make it meet your mouth? That's great. I'm gonna say... Please never say the phrase, make it meet your mouth. Make it meet your mouth. That's the t-shirt. That's the t-shirt, Philly. Make it meet your mouth. Just put it down. Make it meet your mouth. What? Just a microphone on a stand, make it meet your mouth. And that's M-E-E-T, not M-E-A-T? That's for my delicatessen, make it meet your mouth. Well, look, obviously we have a lot to say about this movie and we loved it.
Starting point is 00:54:02 So I don't even know if these are second opinions, but these are just other opinions, but we didn't come up with a title for that. So now it's time for second opinions. (*audience cheering*) Hi, I'm Rachel. (*audience cheering*) I joined Mike and Marcus for this new hot caper
Starting point is 00:54:26 -♪ Who could have predicted an albino gator? -♪ All these camera angles giving me a sickness -♪ Did you know that all of our souls are dickless? -♪ Mm-mm-mm-mm -♪ Baby, are you in the mood -♪ To see Martin Lawrence in the nude? Being bad with two other dudes not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good B-A-D-B-O-Y-S past life skittles no regrets
Starting point is 00:55:02 B-A-D-B-O-Y-S give it five stars nothing less No regrets BADBOYS Give it five stars nothing less Yeah! Give it up for Rachel! Great job! That was amazing. There are 150,000 reviews on Letterboxx. Okay, we're pulling these from Letterboxx right now.
Starting point is 00:55:30 The average Letterboxx rating is 3.19 out of five stars. Only 7% are five star reviews. Well, these people are wrong. Fools, fools. Letterboxx sounds like a bullshit unspooled thing. Give me those Amazon reviews. I love Letterboxd. Alright, Omer writes this. DJ Khaled fucking dies five stars. Right. That's right. That was another one. DJ Khaled showing up. I think he does a fine acting job. Did a great job.
Starting point is 00:56:09 And the fact that he lets himself get killed. Yeah. Great. Hats off. Hats off, DJ Khaled. Hats off. We doff our cap to you, DJ Khaled. We the best death.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Lizzy Anna writes this. And another one. Mr. McSteamy, what you doing out here? Five stars. Stitchy writes, this movie reminds me of me and my best friend. Especially the crocodile scene. Five stars. Doesn't seem like that was written in jest. No, I'll say this about the movie, my closing thoughts.
Starting point is 00:56:58 You know, the action sequences and all of this stuff is really fun and engaging. But for me, it's the smaller moments. It's the back and forths. It's the, honestly, the texture of the scenes between Will Smith and Martin that are so good and so, just funny. They're just funny and interesting and I loved them. And they're emotionally resonant in a way
Starting point is 00:57:32 that I don't think these movies in the past have aspired to be. Like in the past these movies were just the shoot them up Michael Bay, Bayhem style, isn't this crazy they're blowing this up. Isn't this crazy? And that's why I didn't mind seeing Martin's age because I felt like these are two grown ass men
Starting point is 00:57:53 dealing with problems and having thoughts and reflections on parenthood or whatever it is that you can only have in your later 40s. Middle age bad boys. Well, I will say- Truly, they were. This is middle-aged bad boys. These are bad boys grappling with the vicissitudes of middle-age.
Starting point is 00:58:11 Yes. And let me tell you, it's dark out here. What I will say is that's what I love about Bad Boys 3 because in all these movies where they're doing these reboots, Bad Boys 3 made a really bold choice. It's like, oh, no, no, no. We're going to acknowledge that they're old. And like Vanessa Hudgens, like you're old as shit. Like, and and they still save the day and they're part of it.
Starting point is 00:58:29 But they are making fun of them. But they have enough of an ego and a sense. They have enough sense of self to be poked fun of. And I think that's what makes it really good. And which the only because we keep bringing up the Fast and Furious, but those movies and movies like that or franchises like that aren't interested in having their characters seem like they are interested in looking at themselves or interiority or any of that. You asked Vin Diesel how old he is, he's like, 27.
Starting point is 00:58:59 But also, like that's what I loved about it, you know, Will Smith's, you know, slap aside and how the movie dealt with it. I have never, you would never see anyone in the Fast and Furious franchise grappling with a mental health issue. Like that's, you're just not going to see it. Well, because family is the best medicine. And the Corona.
Starting point is 00:59:20 I wrote down, again, multiple times, but I wrote down near the end of my notes, I can't stop crying at this movie, which is an indictment of me. That's concerning for me and me alone, but it is very emotional. I wrote, it's very emotional movie. Everyone is so raw.
Starting point is 00:59:40 I felt that too. And again, I didn't know what had happened between any of these characters. Did anyone else notice though that Will Smith's new wife Christine on her phone doesn't have a picture of Will, doesn't have a picture of her and Will, has a picture of the four of them together. Strange. And it's next to, and her phone lock screen is up,
Starting point is 01:00:01 but then it's also on a table with a picture of them from the wedding but they also got developed and framed. Quick, quick. This movie, I don't know how long he was in the hospital. Oh no, two weeks or a week. A week, okay. It's like very short. He says, how many years have I been out?
Starting point is 01:00:17 He says, it's Tuesday. Okay, so I mean, they're getting shit framed. And I love that this movie, this movie isn't interested in any kind of realism or anything like that. They just want whatever is going to look best. In the end of the movie, when there's the final shootout with Eric Dane and Will Smith, and Will Smith's not having panic attacks now, now he's steady and sure of himself,
Starting point is 01:00:40 he shoots Eric Dane about 1,000 times. Sure. Eric Dane is standing, holding Will Smith's wife on the beach. He shoots him a bunch of times. When he dies, he's in waist deep water. How did he get out to sea unclear? But it looks great. Looks great.
Starting point is 01:00:58 Here's what I'll say. I love this movie. I take issue with one detail. Why are they using a fucking dirty grill in the public park to cook their meat on? I thought about that too. What the fuck? Come on guys, go to Martin's house cooking his backyard. You know what I thought? I thought maybe they pull that one out. The grate out?
Starting point is 01:01:24 And crack their own... Great. Yeah. No, I think this is them trying to be like, we're just regular guys, we cook in the park. Even though Will Smith's character has a proven track record of having all of the money in the world. Martin Lawrence has shown himself to have cookouts in his backyard
Starting point is 01:01:41 in Bad Boys 2. Now... But yeah, I was... I was troubled by that. I was troubled. I was like, Oh, you don't want to eat anything that's off of that. I did look like he was cleaning it. One of the things that I loved is after the hillbilly scene where they steal the stuff and in the trailer we watched earlier, we saw that they, uh, they have
Starting point is 01:01:58 the back and forth about sing a Reba song and the guys make up a Reba song. But then, then there is a Reba version of Bad Boys that plays and I was like, give me this. So good. The fact that Reba did that and was down, like this is like, I was like, this is the best ending of anything. What you gonna do? Anyway, we would recommend it.
Starting point is 01:02:24 I love this movie. I am so glad that we got to watch this movie with you, Philadelphia. Play the Wobble. Oh yeah. That's what we're going out on. Here we go, Philly. Thank you, Doc Brown. Thank you. Good night Eat shit, Philly Thanks again to the staff at the Miller Theatre in Philly and our recording engineer Andrea Quinn
Starting point is 01:03:13 Now if you want to feel like you're a part of the show You can get yourself a shirt that we have designed with that audience that night. It is Yes, you heard us say it and we made it into a shirt, Make It Meet Your Mouth. That's right, Make It Meet Your Mouth, a shirt that Philadelphia said they would buy. I gotta say, if Philadelphia is on board for anything, you know it's cool because we just wobbled with them
Starting point is 01:03:36 for longer than you will hear in the actual episode. You can snag that shirt, Make It Meet Your Mouth, and a ton of other How Did This Get Made shirts at teapublic.com slash stores slash HDTGM. And as always, if you have a correction and omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K or write a comment on our Discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM. We are actually taking a little holiday hiatus from Last Looks next week, but get those corrections and omissions in, since
Starting point is 01:04:04 we'll still be covering them when Last Looks returns in mid-January. And in place of Last Looks next week, but get those corrections and omissions in since we'll still be covering them when Last Looks returns in mid January. And in place of Last Looks next week, we are treating you to a re-release of our classic episode on Con Air. Now, this is an important year, 2025. It's the 15th anniversary year of How Did This Get Made, and we are going on tour.
Starting point is 01:04:20 We are gonna be in LA in January at Largo. I think only one show is left there. We're doing a three-night residency. Dinosaur will be in Largo, and it will also be in San Francisco in January. You can then see how did this get made on the road in Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, and Los Angeles. We are starting that tour on 325 and ending it on 4-4
Starting point is 01:04:40 with a very big, very huge celebration of our show on 4-4. We gotta just figure out what that is. Anyway, get tickets now for our shows as we go around the country on spring break to Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Oregon, and Los Angeles. Go to HDTGM to get tickets and information. Remember, if you listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,
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