How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: The Lawnmower Man LIVE! (w/ Neil Casey & Emily Heller)

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

Neil Casey (Big Mouth) and Emily Heller (Barry) join Paul and Jason to discuss the 1992 sci-fi horror film The Lawnmower Man starring Jeff Fahey and Pierce Brosnan. LIVE from Largo in LA, they talk about the Stephen King short story that the movie is based on, virtual reality sex, smart chimps, and so much more. (Originally Released 11/25/2016) Tix on sale for Philly live show on Nov 16th and holiday virtual live show on Dec 12th! Go to hdtgm.com for ticket info, merch, and for more on bad movies.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaFor extra content on Matinee Monday movies, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerTalk bad movies on the HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmPaul and Rob Huebel stream live on Twitch every Thursday 8-10pm EST: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social mediaGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm.

It's like my mama always told me, don't pick on the simple handyman because one day he'll become the internet and pixelate your ass. We saw the lawnmower man, so you know what that means. How did Schwarzenegger grow, baby in his belly? Rock a limestone vest while ripping Justin to Kelly? Or maybe see a burlesque show with Nick Crowe? And take a boat with speed to hitting cruise control?

J-Man, Big Paul, and the beautiful June. Gonna take you from the goob all the way to the room. Ran the games in Street Fighter, hoped to blow off steam. Just a sucker punched the odd life of Timothy Green. Chuck Niddle, the birdemic, how we stayin' alive. They call him in the badass and he's on the line. Crankin' 88 minutes cause they cool as ice. Cause the bad Jim Barney lookin' kind of nice.

Paul and June gettin' literal, Jason is gettin' laid. June is makin' sure all the monkey shots gettin' paid. They judge a bunch of movies while they makin' the grade. Here's a real question for you. How did this get made? ["How Did This Get Made?" by The Lago Thieves plays.] Hello, people of us! And hello, people of Lago! We are live here in Los Angeles at the Lago Theater, our home.

We love this place. We are very excited to talk about a movie that predicted the future. It's a movie that predicted the future. It's a movie that talks about the dangers of VR and what better antidote to what we're going through in this society than this film. I am so excited to talk about it tonight with you, but let me get be first joined by my co-host.

Please welcome Jason Manzoukas. What's up, jerks? What's up? How are we doing, Los Angeles? Paul, how are you? Jason, I am great. I love hearing that theme song. And when you come to see a live show, you're going to be like, oh, I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer.

I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer.

I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer. Paul, how are you? Jason, I am great. I love hearing that theme song, and when you come see a live show, there's a video that accompanies it. And I feel like I catch something from it every time, but I love it, and I want the

guy who recorded that, Maru, to kind of do an updated version. I agree. That's so funny. As I was watching it, I was like, so much new has happened. There are so many new verses he could write. And I think everybody would agree this song needs to be longer. Longer. Updated. Let's get it going.

By the way, I'll also say this. The gauntlet has been thrown. Anybody can record a theme song. 100%. We will likely put it on the show. 90% of the time, we're putting the show right where it's at. We have no quality control. Very little filtering is going on.

If you can get it, if I get it, it's going in a file. And some of you bands are out there. You're on the road. You're in stupid vans. You're listening to our show. So pull over, write a theme song, send it in. Vampire Academy rhymes with so many things. Yes! Come on, you guys. Give back.

And then we need a talented person to cut together a theme song for it that has a video component. Anyway, don't worry about it. Do free work for us. We need more free work. Well Jason we are not joined tonight by June Diane Raphael sadly she is not here but we have two amazing guests two amazing guests they're gonna blow your

mind. Oh me? I thought you were talking to the audience. I was. I know who it is. I promise my mind's not going to be blown only because I was standing over there with the book. Why? This is, I was looking for you to be like... Sorry, sorry. I wasn't paying attention. You know what? Let's do it again. Let's do it again. Take two. Let's take it back.

We're going to edit this part out. No, we got to keep it in for, you know, for reality's sake. I mean, you know, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This show is all about keeping the... This show is about the truth. Amen. Transparency.

Transparent, the show. Season two. Love it. Cast of Transparent next week on the show. The entire, it's gonna be a very... It's a lot of talking. Yeah. But we will finally do the Phantom Menace. Uh...

We are not doing the Phantom Menace. Full transparency. It's not going to happen. Because I say, as I've said many times before, it's the best Star Wars movie that's ever been made. JK, it's a nightmare. I saw it on my 30th birthday, wept openly in front of the woman that I was in love with. I believe that to be the beginning

of the end of our relationship. I think she saw true weakness within me. I was right there with you, saw it opening day, had to see it twice in the same day to admit to myself that it wasn't good. Wow. Thought to myself. The pod racing sequence wasn't bad.

No, that was not bad. That was, yeah, it looked pretty cool. And the opening was cool. I mean, it was really cool. When I left the theater, I was like, oh, I was too excited to enjoy it. That's why I didn't like it. Then it went back. Oh, that's adorable.

Yeah, that's how I... That's adorable that you really, like, lied to yourself. That I was... I cried at the end of the movie, and my girlfriend at the time was like, what's wrong? And I was like, it was terrible. I remember...

And it was my birthday. That was rough. But I was an adult. It's not like it was like my 11th birthday. 3L. I was a grown man. I remember that our good friend Rob Riggle was coming back from- One of our greatest of friends.

Was coming back from Iraq at that point or Afghanistan and we were like, he was like, I can't wait to come back and see Star Wars. Like, uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh.

Uh. Maybe we hold off on that. It was, want to see Jackass instead? Uh. Uh. All right, so, uh, we have two amazing guests tonight. Please welcome our first guest. You can see him in a brand new Fox show

called Making History, but you also just saw him as the villain in Ghostbusters. Please welcome our first guest you can see him in a brand new Fox show called making history But you also just saw him as the villain and Ghostbusters. Please welcome Neil Casey Hello Neil hi hello Neil When did you see the Phantom Menace and what was your opinion of it? I saw The Phantom Menace. I was a senior in high school. Wow.

And I went to go see it at midnight when it came out. Cool. And the same thing, I needed to see it. I saw it three or four more times to make sure. Oh, I definitely saw it four times in the theater. Yeah, yeah. Wow. I saw it a number more times to just make sure

that I wasn't missing something good. You know, it was. As if it was some sort of dec times to just make sure that I wasn't missing something good. You know, it was- If it was like some sort of decoded message that was there that I- It was certainly, I'm insane. I must be insane. It was, didn't even occur to me that it could be bad. Like that was never even the thought.

Yeah. Well, that's like, it's like, we lived in a different time then. Yeah. We lived in a different time where people didn't betray us like that. We lived in a pre-King people didn't betray us like that. We lived in a pre-Kingdom of a Crystal Skull universe.

I literally went to a movie theater that was playing the Brad Pitt movie Meet Joe Black to watch the trailer. Also a movie we should do. Oh, yes. They played the Star Wars trailer before it, but then to keep you watching the whole movie They also played at the end of meet Joe black. So I watched meet Joe black, which is like two and a half hours It's over three. Yeah, it's over three hours But the trailer is amazing and then after the Star Wars trailer at the end

They showed the Brad Pitt getting hit by the car again After Remember when you couldn't just watch trailers? Yeah. Like half of my life is spent just on Apple movies trailers. My favorite. Just watching them all.

Boom. I woke up the other morning, watched Rogue One, I was thrilled. Yeah! I was watching my phone. So good. Our lives are awesome. Really quickly though before we get into our next guest,

Neil, so Making History, brand new show on Fox. It's a Lord Miller show, right? Yeah, it's a Lord Miller show. Adam Pally is the star with Leighton Meester and Yester Lester. It's really funny. It's a time travel show. Yeah, so it's a time travel show

and are you a person in the past or future? Where are you at? I am a guy from the past. I'm a founding father. Oh, very interesting. Hamilton? Past. Hamilton?

Are you in the room where it happens? Do you rap? Rap, rap, rap, rap. Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton. Make it happen, Harry. Room here it happens. I'm in there. Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton.

Hey, hey, hey. I hate you, George Washington. General Washington. You're in the room. I'm in there! Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton! I'm in there! Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton! Hey, hey, hey! I hate you, George Washington! General Washington! You disobeyed me! Now get this!

Uh-oh! Over here! Over there! It's a duel! Aaron Burr! Aaron Burr! That's right, Lin-Manuel Miranda! Screw you, pal!

Not that hard! We just took him down a peg! Our... Miranda screw you pal not that we just took him down a peg our next guest is a super funny comedian and she has a podcast called baby geniuses please Please welcome Emily Heller! Yes! Your mic is right there. Thank you. Emily, any feelings about Star Wars Phantom Menace? I haven't seen Star Wars. Really?

What? I was hoping to not have that be the first thing I said on your podcast. You know what? You join the rank of my wife, June, who's a... My wife. My wife, who also has not seen it, but she feels like she might have. Well, okay, I saw her... That is a great June.

That's a perfect June concept. I definitely haven't seen it, but I feel like I might have. I've seen the first one that was ever made, and it was boring, so I didn't watch anymore. Wow. Should I leave? You know what? Wrong audience, Emily.

Yeah. Wrong audience. It's a room where we can all share an opinion. Half of these people are building Dr. Who cosplay cosplayers. And the other half thinks those are the nerds. I wanted to just backtrack a little bit and say Campfire Anatomy rhymes with Vampire Academy. Ooh, I like that. I thought of that and I've been waiting to come out to say. And by the way, campfire anatomy would go perfectly with Sleep

Boy Camp because it's campfire and there's a very big anatomy thing in that movie. Oh, yeah. She's got a penis because she's a hate. And also, how about this? Take the remix version of the song and remix that. A remix of a remix, guys? We're open to ideas. You have a podcast. It's called Baby Geniuses Television. and remix that? A remix of a remix, guys? Come on!

We're open to ideas. You have a podcast, it's called Baby Geniuses. Tell us the pitch for Baby Geniuses. What happens on Baby Geniuses? Baby Geniuses is a podcast where me and my friend Lisa Hanawalt, who is the production designer of BoJack Horseman, she's in it. Cartoonist, yeah.

I just watched all of the episodes of BoJack Horseman in like two weeks. It's so good. It's terrific. It's very terrific. She designs all the characters on that show. She and I talk about dumb Wikipedia pages. We do a different Wikipedia page every week and then we have people on and have them talk

about something weird that they know too much about. Like Emily Gordon talked about the Harlem Globetrotters, which she's really into, things like that. Did she talk about their visit to Gilligan's Island? What? Oh, this is one of the best episodes of Gilligan's Island of all time. Yeah, they come, they get stranded, but then they of course get rescued, but Gilligan's people stay. Exactly enough seats for 20 guys. But they play a great game of basketball in it.

The Generals drown. This is a real episode of real television. I believe it was a movie, like a movie event. It wasn't even the half hour. It was like a TV movie. It was sort of like, you know what, we can't cram this into 22 minutes. We gotta give it a full 90.

I just wanna know, was there a fight in the writer's room of Gilligan's Island about whether or not they could do that? Was there someone in the writer's room being like, you guys, we can't do this? No, you know why there wasn't? You know why there wasn't? Because almost every other week,

someone else crashed into the island, visited for a while, and then found a way off. Except for the people who arrived on the SS Minnow. In a way, I think the production designers are like, great, we get to build a coconut basketball court? I'm in. Well, I am so excited that you're both here to talk about this film, which is,

I think you could probably make a lot of fun about The Lawn Mower Man in the sense that, oh, it's dated and the graphics are dated. What? But. No. I think. I am pitching currently a movie,

Lawn Mower Man 2, Oculus Drift. Wait, but they made a Lawn Mower Man 2. They did make a Lawn Mower Man 2. What? Yeah. The joke didn't land, and it was really important? Things are not going well for me. I mean, yes, we will talk about the graphics. But this movie is bonkers from start to finish.

To sum up the plot, if you've not seen the movie. Yes, please Paul, sum up the plot. This will be helpful for me also. I have a hard time doing these, so I'm writing some up. They never quite come out simple, but here's what I'd say. So everyone kind of takes advantage or makes fun of this simple minded lawn mower man.

And then a local scientist says, well, why don't you be my VR guinea pig? And the experiment goes too far and then he becomes the internet. He also becomes like an X man. Yeah, he does. He gets like, as all Stephen King kind of people that get powers, he gets like telekinesis and telepathy. Well, let me. But it's also like she's all that

because he gets sexy too. Yes. His hair goes, he gets more poof. Yeah, and he stops wearing his cartoon costume of a simple-minded person in a yellow shirt and overalls. He starts wearing a tasteful button-down. In the beginning, he's basically dressed

like Stewie Griffin from Family Guy. Well, I'll even go one further and go, is the Lawn Mower Man inspiration for Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder? They both wear the same exact outfit. We're looking at a picture of Simple Jack and Job together. And then also they could also just be part of the Dumb and Dumber family as he looks a little bit like Jeff Daniels. Oh, my God. They definitely based Jeff Daniels' hair on him.

That's definitely the joke. Job is, to say he's a cartoonish portrayal of a simple-minded person is being very kind. Two simple-minded cartoons. Well, he's also dressed like a scarecrow. is being very kind. Two simple-minded cartoons. Well, he's also dressed like a scarecrow. Who are notorious for wanting brains. That's right.

When did, like, there was a point in the movie where, like, too late in the game where I was like, Whoa, Pierce Brosnan has an earring in this movie? What is this? That's like when you watch the after videos of Game of Thrones on HBO Go, and D.B. Weiss has an earring, a cartilage ring up here. One of the showrunners of Game of Thrones,

I was like, what's going on right now? Well, I also like the trope of Pierce Brosnan. Like he's a scientist, top of the field, VR scientist. But he's super sexy. This is the height of Pierce Brosnan being sexy. So they gotta give him glasses. It's like the thing that they do when they throw in these glasses, man. It'll make you look like a real nerd.

But tons of shirtless scenes for him. He's shirtless and glasses. I don't want to see that combo. Well, there was one shirtless scene. I was counting. No, there's more than one. Is there more than one with? There's more shirtless scenes with Jobe.

Jobe is shirtless. Jobe is shirtless, but Pierce Brosnan, I feel like, only once. No, there's a couple others. Really? Oh, get in business. All right. Pierce Brosnan in this movie is named Larry. Never felt right. Um, Pierce Brosnan in this movie is named Larry.

Ah! Never felt right. Yeah. Never felt right. Larry the VR scientist. Larry. Larry. Larry, what are you saying?

Larry. I was like, who are they talking to? There's no way that the handsomest man, the man who would be Bond, Remington Steele, is named Larry. And it's clearly written for another actor, all the stuff with his wife, because for a minute while she's like, fuck you, I'm outta here.

She's the excuse. She never comes back. His wife leaves him and he's like, okay. She, but by the way, I felt like he would, like this. Because he wouldn't take her to the city. The city. What? Well, it was, it was like, I feel like they maybe shot more scenes with her and then cut them out,

because they ADR her saying, I give up. At the end of that scene. You are right. The wife is around, in the director. At the end of that scene. You are right. The wife is around. In the director's version, the wife is around. I was going to say, that's the extra 30 minutes. He has lunch with her in Washington before he speeds back.

He's like, finally, here we are in the city. But my question about her, they showed his life with her as if he was a petulant child living with his parents. Like, is he living with his parents? He's like, I don't wanna be around people right now. I'm going to the basement to smoke and play video games. She's like, I'm gonna put on a tank top and very blousy pleated pants.

Tight on top, veryline of the movie. This is the tagline of the movie. God made him simple. Science made him a god. By the way, I'm on board for that. God made him simple. Now, how many people here believe this is a Stephen King movie? Boo.

Boo. It should be a boo. Yeah. What does boo mean? So no one believes it's a Stephen King movie. What do you mean? No, it says Stephen King's The Lawnmower Man. Well, well, well. There's a possessive S King movie. What do you mean? No, it says Stephen King's The Lawnmower Man. Well, well, well.

There's a possessive S on it. What? Stephen King sued. What? To get his name removed from this movie. It is not a Stephen King movie. Really, he wanted it to be Alan Smithy's The Lawnmower Man? Well, I can kind of give you the idea

of what basically happened. So Stephen King wrote a seven page story called The Lawnmower Man. Whereas if I understand it correctly, and someone maybe can describe it better, a guy's lawnmower is broken, he calls the lawnmower company to come over, they come over,

the lawnmower man controls the lawnmower sentiently and kills a weasel in his backyard. The guy sees the weasel get killed, he's like, oh, and he passes out. Is the weasel Polly Shore? Totally, Betty! So we so! But it's a short story, so it's just in parentheses,

it's Polly Shore. He sees the weasel get killed, he passes out. The lawnmower man does? Or the homeowner? The guy who hires a lawnmower man. And then he wakes up and the guy's like, hey, my boss teaches me how to control things with my mind, you want to get on board with this? The guy's like, no.

And the lawnmower man kills him. That's the story. Oh, in other words it's the movie we just watched. Okay, so to help us unpack the Stephen King short story this movie is based on, let's go to Tim, our MVP from the audience, who sang the second opinion theme in the gamer episode. Tim, take it away. So I've got more information about the Larry King, Larry King, the Stephen King short story. Yes. So he hires the lawnmower man and then the guy loves lawnmowers or something and hears

the lawnmower and goes, now that's a lawnmower. So he runs out to see what's going on. The lawnmower is mowing the lawn by itself. The overweight lawnmower man has taken off every stitch of clothing, and he's crawling behind the lawnmower, eating all the grass clippings. So then the lawnmower veers off. That tracks. The lawnmower veers off and kills a mole, so the guy skitters over there and eats the mole.

The mole? Yeah. Earlier, we were told it was a weasel. off and kills a mole so the guy skitters over there and eats the mole. The mole? Yeah. Earlier we were told it was a weasel. Sorry. I was trying to compact it because I did know some of these facts but as I hear them, as I read them it didn't make sense and as I hear it I'm like, what the fuck was a seven page story?

So after he passes out and gets woken up, he notices the naked man, the naked man's feet that appear to be cloven, and he's revealed to be a satyr that worships Pan, and then he ritualistically sacrifices him. And then there's six more pages. So basically what happened was the studio had the rights to the lawnmower man, but this movie was written already. Oh wow. And the script was already done, and it was called Cyber God,

had nothing to do with the Stephen King story. Job must have worked at the fucking gas station. Yeah, right. In the original script, I bet you, I bet you in the original script, Job worked at the goddamn gas station. Makes way more sense. He needed to redo the whole thing to have him mow lawns. Because I think that's the only connection to it.

So they said that the early versions of the film can claim to be Stephen King's, but they just put a couple elements in to make it The Lawn Mower Man, which is a title that they owned. And so Stephen King sued the movie to remove it and New Line's like, nah, we're not the movie to remove it, and New Line's like, nah, we're not gonna do it. And then the court's like, no, you have to. And they're like, no, we're not.

And then, uh, and they left his name on it, and the court's like, no, no, seriously, you have to. And they're like, no. And then, and then they finally did- I love this performance of New Line. They finally did it. It's like real coquettish. Because New Line is such a flirt. New Line's picking up her princess phone, ankles up on the bed.

Who's this? The only reason that they got them to take it off is because they said, we'll charge you $10,000 a day for every time that you don't take it off. And then they go, all right, we'll take it off. And then when they release it on home video, they're like, Stephen King's a llama.

He's like, hey, no! So this is not technically... That's great. It's not even as like things that are interpreted for the screen. This is so far away from a Stephen King. This is about a murderous... And I think the lawmower man reveals himself to be part animal, part man. And that thing like he's a Greek guy. What?

Yeah, I mean the book is crazy. But yeah, so whatever. And then they made a sequel called Beyond Cyberspace and then they just changed it to Job's War. But I don't think Job was in it. So that's some stuff for you to know as we talk about it. I wish that had clarified anything. Yeah. It doesn anything. Yeah. Because it doesn't.

No. Well, one of the major disappointments for me was that none of the monkeys lasted longer in the movie. I was. And I also, the minute we started the movie and there was like lab monkeys, I was like, ooh, June's going to have thoughts on this so I hope it's some future date we get to hear June's thoughts on the chimps that were in this movie whether they were paid how much well and how to wear that costume

the RoboCop costume I would like to show you the original the directors cut the movie is a little bit worse the monkey isn't killed in the beginning the monkey escapes and teams up with Job. Ha ha ha! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Fuck yeah! Oh! Oh! And so into this now. Oh my God. And so this is when the monkey and Job first meet. So just take a look. I got some strawberries.

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! So just take a look. I got some strawberries. Somebody in that tree? The monkey is scanning him. VR Monkey has a gun. What are you doing here? What are you doing here? Monkey has a gun in the room. Very tense. Non-threat.

Monkey determines he's not a threat. Puts on the gun and his VR glass is open. What the fuck is happening? It's the priest and the japper. What's this? Good night, my shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-shed-sh Whoa, the monkey is wearing way more stuff in this. The monkey is in full Robocop costume. And then I guess what happens is the scientists break into Job's little apartment and murder the monkey in front of Job's... Murder in front of Job's...

Oh my God. That's amazing. That happens. I would have such a hard time isolating that as the problem with the movie that you need to cut out. Like, who, which executive was like, cut that part and then the rest of it is fine. Just make the monkey, we'll make the monkey get killed in his dream. By the way, when they reveal that the monkey is escaping and shooting the security guard,

then they cut to like Pierce Brosnan waking up from a nightmare. Yes. And you're like, oh, was that a dream? And it wasn't. It wasn't. Then they call him to tell him that that happened. So is he psychic? Is he psychic?

Or is he having another nightmare and it just happened? Another nightmare we don't get to know about. I'm naked and I don't know the lines of the school play. What, what? The monkey's dead, oh, what a bummer. We also get the monkey in these shots in the beginning. We get monkey point of view.

The movie begins inside the cage, like the monkey looking back and forth between Pierce Brosnan and his other guy. Because they didn't want to have to shoot a monkey. Yeah. Oh, for sure. There's a bunch of parts where it's just, like, the top of the monkey helmet. between Pierce Brosnan and his other guy. Cause they didn't want to have to shoot a monkey. Yeah, oh for sure. There's a bunch of parts where it's just like the top of the monkey helmet.

Just like where it's like. Or fake monkey, hands on the bars. The camera's too high Brian, it's a monkey. The first thing that we're understanding is they're testing VR on monkeys. Okay sure, it was a long time ago. Okay, like I remember that movie with Matthew Broderick, Project X, where they were like teaching monkeys to be like pilots and there's nuclear radiation and stuff.

That makes more sense. VR? A little confused about why you'd need to test it on a monkey. How would you know what was happening? You would get no feedback. Like, the virtual world that they've created means nothing to a monkey. And how would you measure what the monkey's reaction was?

And I guess they were training the monkey to be a soldier, but when you see the virtual world, it looks nothing like anything that a soldier would encounter. And even to the monkey's point of view, it's telling the monkey facts in English. Threat. Yes.

Not a threat. Mode switch. But also, also the monkey monkeys antagonists are animated monkeys. To make it make sense to the monkeys. So the monkeys shooting other monkeys. But like, I don't think that this VR is preparing the monkey for a impending monkey war. Now, I don't think that's what's happening in this world. But neither is the Windows 95 tile magic game. Oh my God. That tile. Well, let's just add one other level to the VR here.

And all of this is happening while the monkey's in a centrifuge of some kind. The monkey is in arms and legs. Circular. Like Westworld. Gyroscope. Monkey is in, arms and legs, circular. Like Westworld. Gyroscope. Leonardo da Vinci. No reason for anyone in VR to be in a full gyroscope. They are splayed out like David, or not David, the man.

Origin of man. It's Leonardo da Vinci. It's like that nonsense. What? Shut the fuck up. Not David, the man. Origin of man. It's Leonard and Finchie. It's like that nonsense. What? A triplet. Shut the fuck up. You fell for it, dummies.

Who cares? But yeah, it's like, why would you ever need to be weightless in VR? Why would you need to be moved around in chaos like that? But I gotta tell you, four minutes in, the monkey was murdering someone. I was like, I'm in. Boom.

Before the monkey murders someone, the monkey picks a lock. They were like, click, click, click, click. And I was like, what? How? How does a monkey know how to pick a lock? How does this go big? How does this go big? How does this go big?

I wanna talk about the way that people treat Job, the simple lawn mower man. Now, there are two types of reactions to Job. Or three maybe. One, he's simple, let's treat him sweetly. Probably the normal one. Two, I wanna fuck that guy. Yeah.

A little off-center. And then the... And then the third and the most upsetting is, fuck you, simple man. You piece of shit garbage. Pumping gas at my gas station. Fuck you. But what's interesting is one of the people

that shares that last view is a priest. Yeah. No. Like that's another, like everybody in this, everybody in the movie is either abused or being abused in a myriad ways. Like there's, the priest is abusing Job. There's the father is abusing the son and the wife,

the next door neighbors. This movie exists at a time when like, abuse was like, cool. Where people would see the guy, they're all watching, Pierce Brosnan. That's the first thing we see of Pierce Brosnan is he's looking out the window, he sees that

guy beating his wife and his child and he just goes, meh. Yep. He's like, I guess I'll light a cigarette and try and fuck my wife. And then later they're all outside and they see the guy pull up, smack the kid around some more and be like, get in the house. And they're all like, all right. But they need to talk about, oh, do you guys see? I guess it's 1992 when this is cool.

They needed the real beating at the top because you'd be on the dad's side if you just pulled up, he's like, did I tell you not to put the fuck in my gear? I'm gonna hang out with that asshole, it's dinner time. Like, I'm on that dad's side if I didn't see him smacking him around before. I agree. My favorite part of the dad coming home getting mad

is that he was still wearing his construction hard hat. A yellow construction hard hat out of the fucking village people like, oh God damn it. Not carrying it. If I'm gonna work 12 hours on the site. He drove home wearing it. There's not a comfortable hat.

I was saying like the determining things so far that we've noticed in the Stephen King films that we've done. Monkey POV, that was in Monkey Shines. Everybody's an asshole. That's a big thing. And I said sentient lawnmowers, and we'll get to that in a little bit. But so far these are three things that have been in Stephen King movies in the past. Maximum Overdrive also had a sentient lawnmowers and we'll get to that in a little bit. But so far these are three things that have been in Stephen King movies in the past. Maximum Overdrive also had a sentient lawnmower. Really? Oh, all the machines were sentient.

Sure, but I'm saying the lawnmower is in there. So yeah, I don't understand why they're so mean to this guy who can't even buckle his overalls. Maybe he seems to be really fucking productive. One shoulder can't even buckle his overalls. And he seems to be really fucking productive. One shoulder is always off of his overalls. He also, like, walks funny. Like, he was like, that was a character choice that he was like, well, this guy also doesn't know how to walk.

Jeff Fahey made some choices. He made a lot of choices. Like, the billing is Jeff Fahey and Pierce Brosnan. Like, together. Finally. Wait, what was Jeff Fahey's character on Lost? Frank? Oh, yeah, the pilot.

Thank you. But that's it. What do you think the relationship between like, okay, like the Irish guy, the priest Terry? Yeah. The Irish guy, the priest and Jobar. Anything? So there's the priest, he lives in the church, I guess, in like the attic of the church and

the priest beats him and then... But he does pay rent. But he and then also the woods sometimes too and then there's another Irish guy who his main relationship is like I guess he drives him to Molans and then tries to tell him to fuck ladies. He's always hovered around saying, -"Go for it." -"Go for it." -"You eat." -"The priest wants you." The priest also comes around and, like, beats Job with a belt. Yeah.

He's like, take your shirt off so I can beat you with a belt, you animal. And then Terry, too, sees it and is like, -"Oh, his father made you do penance last night?" -"Yeah." -"Well." And then Terry's like, -"Go on, talk to that lady." -"Well." And the lady's like, go on, talk to that lady. And the lady's like, I guess we have sex now.

I don't know what's up in this room. That lady raped him, by the way. I want to talk about that. But just to clarify this, the priest and the lawnmower boss, brothers. What? Brothers. Wait, did the priest also have an Irish accent? Nope. What? Brothers. Wait, did the priest also have an Irish accent?

Nope. What? Here, I'll play a scene. Another scene with the brothers. This is blowing my mind. So this is the three of them out and about. A picture of mom. Dr. Anshul, oh, that you're here to work and not to read books. When have you been so difficult, lady? Let the boy have his book, Francis. It's not gonna hurt anything. You're such a pious asshole. Great effort has kept him on the straight and narrow.

I'll not have it undone. Well, at least he's trying to use his mind. Let him be a man. He is one, you know? First of all, the accent's insane. You could not be brothers unless you didn't live together ever. And one was taken to America, the other one was left in Ireland, in a stereotypical Ireland

that where leprechauns are also running around. There's also like, they clearly don't like each other. Why would they move to the same town in America from Ireland? And also, why would the brother, why would Job need to have two jobs? I think just cleaning the church would be enough to keep this guy pretty busy.

I feel like Job, and I don't know if Job's getting paid by either of the brothers, but like both of them seem to just be like using him for like whatever. They both have their own like little slave that they can like enact. Kind of. Cause I never saw that other guy, the Irish guy mow any lawns.

Nope. He just, he gets out of his car to drink. No, he's like he's driven a long way that he gets out of the car. He's like, you know what, just have a nip here then. I gotta let him mow the lawn with that giant, with a lawn mower that looks like it could have come out of Fast and the Furious. It has dual exhaust pipes. And the kid loves it. The kid goes crazy, whoa, a lawn mower.

We all remember back in the 90s, going to your neighbor's house, just drooling over that lawn mower. Like a hot rod. Whoa, what is that? And I should also say, Jobe just slaughters these lawns. Did you see, like, he's mowing that lawn with this nice tall grass,

and he has it down to just the ground. Right into the dirt. Just killing this grass. I want to say I saw the Irish guy trimming a hedge, but he might have just been sitting in it. I think he was hiding behind it drinking. Oh my gosh. So basically this monkey dies and now Pierce Brosnan is like, well, I need another monkey,

but they won't let me get a monkey. So I guess I'll use this simple guy. Well, he has a real crisis, you know, at a certain point because he's not sure what to do. He got suspended from work, right? He's depressed, and that's why his wife is mad that he won't take her to the city. And then he decides, like, to go rogue

and start treating Job on his own in his house. Because it takes him a while to bring him to the facility. Yeah, well I feel like he doesn't have an office at the facility. No. I think he's like, you know how I work from home, I'll do all my VR research from my basement, my unsanitary basement in which my refrigerator has.

We're like a lorrlin' next door kid. Peter's like, you've got the best games. I'm like, don't, no. Like that little kid shouldn't be like going to the basement of the neighbor's house whose name is Larry. Larry who records his journal by leaning against a huge television. Shirtless. Like just a blinking red

record light. Like this is, yeah, this is Creepo. So he's like, hovering over him. This is, if you just took out all the specifics about VR. Here. I have other... different games.

I even have one that... could help make you smarter. -♪ I was born dumb. -♪ -♪ Can you keep a secret? I was born dumb. Can you keep a secret? What? I mean, right? I'll tell you one.

My dick makes you smarter. I can make you smarter. But only if you want and you must never tell anyone. You mean a secret for just you and me too? You see my wife left. That's right. This movie is a molestation allegory. This is all the creepiest stuff.

But like, it's also like a weird religious, like his name is Joe. Oh, yeah. And his name is Joe. Oh, yeah. And his name is Angelo, like, Angel. Like an angel. Oh. Yeah, and then also, I mean. His name is Larry, but OK.

Yeah. Well, Larry. You know Larry Angelo. Larry Angelo. Upper crust British guy? Yeah. You know work in this basement. Oh, man. Great news.

We've got Pierce Brosnan starring in a phenomenal movie. It's called Larry Angelo. All right. Well, oh, man. There's so much to get into. Oh, my God. There's so much. There's so many times I wrote his name as Larry, question mark. Every time somebody said it, I was like, what?

So, Neil, you brought up, like, they're doing tests with Job to kind of see if he can match certain things, like can you match the circle with the circle. This is one of the images that came up that Averyl saw that I feel like, can you guys match the missing image here? Take a look at it. Because I don't think there is a one that matches.

Like, if I'm Job, I'm failing this test. Because I don't know what goes in that question mark from the bottom row. At all. That's the first test he gives Job. O, Q, or P. Are my options? No, this is what we're looking at.

That's the top row. Oh, oh, oh, I see, I see. You're choosing from second row. That's what he chose. Oh, oh, oh, I see, I see. You're choosing from second row. That's what he chose. I don't know. There's nothing that matches. All these symbols are different. Wait, wait, wait, no, no, here's the thing, here's the thing.

I feel like we're trying to do something that's impossible, right, because we're not smart enough because we haven't been juiced up with the drug. This is the first thing that Joe did! Really? This is the first test pre any sort of intelligence. And the director's cut, he just keeps hitting refresh until they're all swastikas.

Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Yeah, that is an impossible... The matching game does not match. Oh, man. and talking about mistakes, you can check out this, they spelled millennium wrong. In the beginning of the movie, the opening text,

by the turn of the millennium, a technology known as virtual reality will be widespread, but they spelled millennium wrong. Wait. Oh wait, is that right? It looks right, or no, is it wrong? Is it right? No, it's wrong. Vesuvian. wrong? Is it right? No, it's a Suvian.

It's wrong, right? Yeah, it's wrong. Wait, how is it spelled? Now I don't know. Two N's. Two N's. Oh, okay. Two M's? Two N's.

But you see, we... But again, that should have been spell checked. Somebody should have spell checked that early on. Why, why, why? When Joe puts on the VR glasses and Pierce Brosnan is making him smarter by showing him images, are the images like what looked to me to be like a cult?

They look like runes. They look like runes or random things that are part of the Hellboy comic book series. I feel like they were training him to be almost like Satan or something. Well, it kind of worked. Yeah, it's true. But I couldn't understand why they were treating... Why the images were not like scientific images or math or whatever. I mean, it's a it's real shit science. I mean

Like they're literally shooting images into his brain and he's thinking he's like I feel like I was here's the problem with the science. Here's one of the problems with the science Here's the one problem with this whole movie. Everything else adds up. Everything else adds up. Am I watching a movie about VR or smartness drugs? This movie is a little bit limitless or loosey. Yeah, they also inject him with smartness drugs and then it's unclear to me which of

those things is making him smarter. Well, you're talking just like the guy who doesn't know how to use FaceTime. Because they're like, through the whole thing, they're like, can we just keep shooting them up with the drugs and just fuck this VR guy? Just fire Larry and just shoot him up with the drugs? By the way.

Maybe. I mean, what's crazy about that is you're referencing Larry and I was genuinely like, who is Larry? That's how much Pierce Brosnan is not a Larry. You're referencing Larry and I was genuinely like, who is Larry? That's how much Pierce Brosnan is not a Larry. Just so you know, Nate did some research here. He said that the stimulation of his brain, those symbols are like, I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce this, but Kabbalistic mystical symbols

with ancient Hebrew writing around. Like Kabbalah. Yeah. Like what Madonna does. So he's basically teaching him Kabbalah. That explains why he had a thin red bracelet for the latter part of the movie. He's drinking special bottled water.

The guy who doesn't use FaceTime is Dean Norris from Breaking Bad. With oddly a British accent, I think, towards when you see him in real life, but when he's face-forned on... He's like, Faye. I said to my boyfriend when we were watching it, he was like, it's weird that he's playing this kind of like, effeminate. And I was like, it's like Hank from Breaking Bad doing an imitation of what he thinks a gay guy sounds like.

Yeah, like one of these nerds. Yeah, I do it for him. Yeah. Yeah, Walt, I'll do it. I'll do the play. I'll do this. You'll do your kids' short film. Ooh, I'm sorry.

Man, all right, well then also Pierce Brosnan has to answer, we've barely gotten into this movie and we are so deep into this podcast. I could not tell you the plot of this movie. We are in the cold open of this movie. I don't know why what was happening happened. I lost interest an hour in, I was like, I don't know what's going on. I couldn't figure out what they were setting up. I kept on being obsessed with the fact that the guy,

the bald guy that he was answering to looked like Ike Barinholtz, but a bald Ike Barinholtz. I was like, he really does. Look at him. There's also the scene where the bald Ike Barinholtz comes in when Pierce Brosnan is shirtless. And they start having this tense thing, and I'm like, are they gonna fuck right now?

I wish. He walks into his bedroom, he walks into his bedroom, which is like a hotel, but it's like, how did he get in there? And it was like very, yeah. Yeah. I would've liked that. Yeah.

There's something about Jeff Fahey getting smarter, that part of that also makes him more vain. Yes. He's like, the smarter he gets, smarter that part of that also makes him more vain. Yes. The smarter he gets, the more he's like looking at himself in the mirror and then not wearing a shirt and jacked. And wearing those tight jeans. And wearing those cowboy boots.

Oh my God, can we talk about the scene at the gas station with that widow where, so there's the horny widow who is my favorite character in the movie. She's amazing. Is sitting in her car, and she looks in her side view mirror, and there's just a round butt in jeans, and she's just like, ooh. And she turns and it's Job, bending over doing nothing.

For no reason. He also, I will say, this is the second time that she's kind of really turned down by him. The first time he was full early Jobe. Like one suspender is Jobe, and she's like eating a peach, like ah. Yeah. He's eating like eating a peach like, ah. Yeah. He's eating like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Like having like in the middle of mowing a lawn. See, I thought she was eating an apple and it was just the most heavy handed thing of all time. Just like tree of not. He was literally sitting under a tree and she was eating an apple. And his his name is Job. I don't know the Bible but this feels like a combination of some things from it. This was, speaking of her looking at his ass, this is like a time capsule of that moment

in American history in the early 90s when women were really into buns? Yeah. Remember when women were sort of like... He's got great buns. Don't you remember that? We've covered buns on this podcast. We talk a lot about the buns. But yeah, but I also found that that, like, it didn't seem like... To me, why do you even have to have the buns scene

where she's like, why don't you come on over and mow my lawn? Yeah. Well, she said to the... What's the guy's name who's like, why don't you come on over and mow my lawn? Yeah. And it was- Well she said to the, what's the guy's name who's the bully at the gas station? My fluids. Jake, she said check my fluids.

Check my fluids. And then he defends her. Yeah. Like Terry comes out and it's sort of like, she's fucking a lot of guys in town, and he's like, you shut up! This was like a very progressive scene in a way, cause the guy called her a whore and he was like, hey shut up! This was like a very progressive scene in a way, because the guy called her a whore and he was like,

hey, whores take money, she's got money, she doesn't do it for the money, she does it because she likes it, what's so wrong with that? And I'm like, okay, yeah! By the way, the most open-minded guy in the movie, like he is so sweet, he's like, I'll take care of this guy, he's a great guy,

and then that's the most uncertain, like the worst death in the whole movie. Like basically, Job goes around and kills everyone who's wronged him violently. And then this guy's like, I'll take you to go get in the internet. Don't worry, I'll drive you there in my car. And then, and a sniper just takes out Larry.

Like, no, like Larry is not even. Not Larry. Oh, sorry. See, but he's more of a Larry. Who's Larry? Yeah is not even Larry. Oh, sorry. But he's more of a Larry. You just proved my point. That guy's a Larry. His name is Terry.

Terry, yeah. He's got Terry. Also, not right for him. He's not a Terry. Well, Terry, it's like, shouldn't the moral be like the one guy who treated him nicely lives? Or like, nope, they all die. Can we also, I know we're jumping around a lot here,

but can we talk about, in that scene where Terry goes to drive him to the internet, Job uses his telepathy to tell Terry to come pick him up, and so we just see Terry sitting in his truck silently, and then he says out loud, okay Job, I'll come get you. And you're like, if he's using telepathy,

why is he talking out loud? I know this is, again, a very small problem to have with this movie that has very big problems. Well, the movie does posit a superhero that gets created and sometimes he's super powerful and sometimes he's gotta be back in that internet. Like, he's like, it doesn't make sense. Like, why go back in?

You're super, you can basically do everything. Yeah, at a certain point, he just starts talking about this like weird mythology that we're not let in on about like, well, I have to go back to the mainframe and you're like, what mainframe? What are you talking about? Yeah, we weren't, we don't know what you're doing. Yeah.

Let us in. We just see you straight up murdering your enemies. The keys to the universe are in this 486 DX 66. Top of the line Packard Bell. 16 megs of RAM. And I'm just like, can we talk about what it meant when I saw an animated lawnmower going over that guy's brain?

Like, what? No, an animated man with a lawnmower going over that guy's brain? Like, what? No, an animated man with lawnmower. With a lawnmower mouth! That's what I, I was like, what? The ver, okay, one of the things we, this is a movie that exists in a world in which virtual reality is a world in which we could disappear into.

Yeah. Their version of virtual reality is like, might as well be a screensaver. Oh, there's nothing? Like flying toasters level screensaver. Yeah. Well, we should, well, basically, you know, once, I would argue the best scene in the movie

is like once Joe becomes super powerful, he's like, well, now I only wanna fuck in virtual reality. No, the best scene of the movie is the first sex scene where she teaches him how to kiss. Oh, yeah. Oh, god. And it felt super rapey. It felt super big tongue.

Marnie. It was like, OK, you know how disturbing that scene in Big was? Let's make it worse. Let's make it less, let's make him less able to consent to what's happening. In the room just felt, it was awesome. And then she's got like pink satin sheets

where you're like, this is, yeah, if it was like a, if the genders were reversed in this movie, we would be like turning it off immediately. Yeah, it's like, because like, he's like simple Jack over there, he's just like, all right. But then he figures it out. It seems like he figures it out one, two, three.

Yeah. Well, he gets, yeah, he's also getting smarter. Why would download fucking first, right? Well, that's the thing that Larry's wife says. She's like flying, floating, falling. What's next, take me to the city I know I'm not married got it but like is that what it's about you didn't take me to this.

I gotta, I gotta, I think this all can be summed up with this clip from Pierce Brosnan on The Tonight Show where he tries to describe virtual reality. I love that everybody feels bad for him. Pierce Brosnan tries to describe virtual reality and some other things, we'll see. And I just took this kind of short story by Stephen King, which was only seven pages long and had nothing to do with virtual reality. And they took this short story by Mr. King and they wrapped it in this, you know, this film about virtual reality. Now this virtual reality, see listen, I haven't had a chance to see the picture yet, so, but I've heard about this virtual reality. It's like a game where you're in it.

Yeah, it's like a computer. You get in, you can enter inside the computer. When you play this with a partner. Wouldn't sex be just a little easier? Gosh, it seems so complicated. He makes a sex joke. He said, wouldn't sex be so much either, but I love that And the publicity for it you get inside a computer is The man who's now worked I would argue the most closely with virtual reality out of anyone probably at that point is still describing virtual reality is getting Computer Not oh my god. Can we also, I mean,

on the topic of the sex scenes too, there's a part where he, so at a certain point Job learns how to read minds, because I guess that's part of it. And he's at the horny widow's house, and he goes like, ooh, you've got dirty fantasies, because he's reading her mind. And then he's like, well, let's do something about it, or something, and I'm like, oh, you've got dirty fantasies, because he's reading her mind. And then he's like, well, let's do something about it

or something. And I'm like, oh, cool, he's about to find the clit. And then, like, this is about to be the best part of the movie, because a dude who can read a woman's mind and then fuck her based on it. But then they go to- But Emily, hang on. That posits a world.

This is science fiction. But like, that posits a world, this is science fiction, but like, that posits a world in which the clit is a real thing. But... Wait a minute. And then, you think they're about to go have crazy cool sex, and then they go somehow break into the lab and get in those gyroscopes and do VR sex and their genitals aren't hooked up to anything that would make them feel.

And she's like, she's never the same. Yeah. She literally fucks, he fucks her brains out. Yeah. Like on a level, cause she is fried, like, like, she would be fried brains out. Yeah. Like, on a level, because she is fried. Like, she was de-fried. Yeah. Yeah.

She was on the bed like, uh, uh, like just like moaning and exasperating. That's because he had to put her in the Whirly gig that was for the monkey. There's not two for humans. Put her in the monkey one. She's little. Oh my God.

And by the way, their virtual reality sex is the most disturbing thing ever. She becomes like a flower and he becomes this like monster. With a pussy mouth. The monster has a straight-up pussy mouth. And she becomes, like, trapped in, like, the fluids of their lovemaking. She can't... It's like... Yeah. She gets stuck in, like, a pile of cum.

And he's like, he's like, Hold on, it's fine. And she's like, Help, I'm stuck. And he's like, No, you just stay there. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. Are we gonna watch it? Well, you know, we could watch it, but then I'm stuck. And he's like, no, you just stay there. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine.

Are we going to watch it? We could watch it. But then I'm also thinking that maybe we should watch this EPK about people discussing about what's so cool about virtual reality sex, which doesn't exist. So this is, and we can watch them both, but here we go. As imagined in the film, virtual reality sex

is an experience of indescribable passion. As a cinematic special effect, it's an indescribable achievement, just what the director was hoping for. It's a little scary because you're going on uncharted ground, but it gives the audience something they've never seen before, and when I go see a science fiction movie,

that's what I wanna see, something I've never seen before. And when I go see a science fiction movie, that's what I want to see, something I've never seen before. And it gives them a new ride. It's a new roller coaster ride. So then you get to see them, because you want to be a butterfly together. Yeah. And then melt. It was all like birds and bees level shit

Yeah. in virtual reality. But the fact that it immediately followed a conversation of like, you've got some dirty fantasies, I felt like the implication was this was her fantasy. And he made it happen. To be like a pistol and be like, to be like sucked by a bee or something?

Yeah. To just twist into a liquid metal dragon fly with my lover. To melt like the T2 in Terminator. By the way, I'm into all that. I know we have a lot more to talk about, but also we've been talking up here for quite some time, so I want to get to our audience to see what their questions are. So this is one of those movies you guys are gonna have to get on board for. We're just not gonna get to huge parts of it.

Yes. Because there's so, so much insanity. Or you know, I can come to you. Here we go. Your name, uh, let's see. Your name, and what would you like, who would you like to have seen in this, oh, what's a better name for Pierce Brosnan's character,

okay? And your question. Better name would be James. Yeah. What's your name? My name's Rob. Oh, all right. Or as Paul called me last time, Tim Curry guy.

All right, look at that. So one thing I have to say, there's a lot of how did this get made connections in this movie because the Job is actually West Coast from... Yeah, that guy knows. But is this a sequel to Monkey Shines? No. Because they're building smarter monkeys in Monkey Sh shines and then the director's cut was the monkeys all get taken off in advance that get taken to Larry to get them smarter. Interesting. Did people just learn about evolution in the 90s? Because I feel like there were so many make monkey smarter movies and it felt

like a response to them being like, this sounds fake. You know what I mean? I feel like this is in the 90s. They're like, did you know they test shampoo on monkeys? And then like, what else do they test? Virtual reality. Click, click, click, click, click, control S save. Here's the script.

See you later. All right. Your name for Pierce Brosnan and your question. Come to me. All right, here we go. Hold the mic. Okay, I'm Valerie. Lawrence. Let's just give him the full name. All right, Valerie Lawrence. Nice to meet you.

It's pretty close actually. So my question is, we were talking about how Pierce Brosnan sees the family and the dads abusing them and he's like, well, okay. And then he ends up with them at the end? Like that's his new wife? Oh yeah. When does that happen?

He full on takes on that family as a dog. And that's fucking Peter's mom like immediately during the credits. I didn't even know like they embrace at that one point like after her husband's been murdered violently by the lawn mower. Which is direct, he's directly responsible for it. Yeah.

And they embraced and I'm, when did that happen? He appears to have no remorse. It makes sense because he's like, as long as I don't beat the kid, she'll be fine. I don't have to take her into the city at all. Her power is so low. I want to talk about that mom too, because the mom and the kid, they're like, hey, wait here in the car. And then the mom just falls asleep. It seems like Larry has been gone for four to five minutes.

Also, also like stuff is so stressful. Is that, is she just like, I can't take it? Yeah, yeah. That whole scene was lifted from an abused wife's implausible testimony about her husband's mysterious death. Then I fell asleep. I didn't see anything. I was asleep.

You couldn't awake me. All right, yes, sir. Your name, your name for Pierce Brosnan, your question. I'm Brandon. I think probably McGonagall. I like that. Thank you. So the thing that I noticed that was the most surprising to me

was the way that people died. You had given the first name McGonagall? Yeah, McGonagall Angelo. Because he's supposed to be Irish. He was drinking Bushmills. He had an Irish flag, even though it's very clearly Welsh. It's very strange. He also had some core, that classic Irish beer cores light in his fridge. Why were there so many Irish people in this town? Not actually Irish. Nobody was actually Irish and they were all just speaking with archaic accents but it's a bad movie so who cares. Shouldn't Pierce have been like the Priest's brother?

Then that would have been a little bit of a connection too or just make it simpler. But the thing I was interested in, it's like so many of the deaths occurred, was it actually virtual reality where the priest burns or something? I don't actually know. That was like digital fire. Yeah, but also his body turned transparent. He turns people into like that Adam Sandler movie, Pixels. Like that, like he turns people into pixels.

And then they, yeah, they just like bubble up and go away. The first time I ever saw After Effects it seems like was like this movie. Like, oh we got all these cool After Effects things we're gonna use on these guys dying and then they just I mean they are dead in the real world they're definitely dead in the real world that's what I couldn't figure out he's like applying technological kind of like traumas to them he's like lighting that guy on fire but it was like digital fire and the priest turns into like a computer character but they're not in VR at that point.

I don't know, man. Or are they like, are they being like sucked in? Surprisingly, I couldn't crack it. In the director's cup, they're all fine. Like the gas station guy wakes up the next day, he's like, oh, I don't know. I'm all right, there's a lawn mower man in my brain. He wakes up with that same nightmare

that Pierce Brosnan had, oh, okay, oh geez. That's how the monkey escapes? The father wakes up, oh same nightmare that Pierce Brosnan had. Oh, okay, oh geez. That's how a monkey escapes? The father wakes up, oh, what the hell, and then beats his kid. But the father was killed brutally by a lawnmower. I told you to stay out of my dreams. Oh, that lawnmower chased him around the house. And nobody woke up. Boy, did he put a spell on them to be asleep?

That's right. Sorry. My bad, everybody. My bad. And they put a spell on those cops, too. Real convenient. Remember when the cops were like, hold on, hold on. The cop is just standing out in front of the house where the lawnmower has just killed the guy,

half the guy's in the birdbath, and the guy goes, hell of a thing. Hell of a thing. And I was like, okay, cool. Talking to nobody. Also, and then Pierce Brosnan is there and they give him all the details. He is not related to that family at all.

He's like, I'm the neighbor all. He's like I'm the neighbor and he's like well here's everything I got. Let's see if you can crack it. I'm surprised nobody heard anything. All right so your name your name for Pierce Brosnan your question. My name is Tyler. Clearly St. John's Mithe would be the only name for him. One really quick thing is just the partner at the lab, the other mysteriously bald man that's not Dean Norris is named Tims. They keep yelling Tims over and over again.

But the main thing is every way he kills someone it's with lawn mowers or the one time there's a bee on top of a car so he makes CGI bees and he's just seeing things that he's seen in real life and that's the only thing he can come up with. It's insane. So if for a man who can create anything in virtual reality, he is simplistic in how he chooses to kill people. He's like, I got a lawnmower, I'll kill him with a lawnmower.

Bees, tires, rocks. But meanwhile, when he gets it on in sex, it's crazy. Yes, sir. My name is Brad. My name for Larry would be Dr. Nigel Applewhite III. And at the end of the movie, the Oculus Rift sucks up Job's physical being and mummifies him while he goes into the computer.

Totally normal. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks him dry like a vacuum cleaner, like, like, it's as if, like, by going into the digital world, his corporeal form would be affected. Yeah, but only like, but like dehydrated and everything else is still there. Yeah.

That is a bizarre moment. That was so weird. Like why would the computer, why would the computer need his guts and blood and stuff? Like, cause by the way, there's no direct line to it. So that shit would just fall out on the floor. I think yeah okay back here yes. Your name your name for Pierce and your question. My name is Allison my name for Pierce would be Henry, solid British and my question is at the very very end of the movie it's

all about high-tech futuristic stuff and then they just kind of get all these calls around the world and it seems like backtracking You're right. Well, that's because yeah, he wants to make a million phone calls Right that was a lie. He says like once he's in the fucking mainframe that he's gonna call people and I'm like I feel like once he's in the fucking mainframe that he's gonna call people and I'm like, what? But he says- The whole point of phones is you don't have to be in it to do that. He says, he has, he says-

I can make a million calls at the same time. You could do it from your house with just a phone. Yeah, he says, I have things to do, people to see, a billion calls to make. Yeah. Why? He also said that once he's in the computer or something, it's like then he'll be everywhere and you'll know it

because all the phones will ring at once or something. It's like they were like, what's a way to have a signifier that he's infiltrated the computers that we can do with just a sound effect and some stock footage. And that's what they landed on. I'm sure there are a bunch of other takes of him saying alt versions but that they just couldn't figure out how to do.

The lights will go on in Chicago. Yeah, too expensive, we can't get it. The sun will rise. Too expensive, we can't get it. The sun will rise. But yeah, so if you humor him and go, all right, well, then I pick up the phone. Are you just hearing that old DSL dial-up? Brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr,

kang, klang, klang. Or is it just really bad small talk? Like, do you have a lawnmower? Yeah. Yeah, he did it all to get his business going. Yeah. He's like, is your lawn overgrown? Why not call me the lawnmower man?

Maybe I will. I'll send a sentient lawnmower to your house. OK. Like, is your refrigerator running? Is your lawnmower running? Oh, yeah. I like that. All right, so your question, your name, and your...

Go ahead. My name is Stephanie and I think that his name should be Hewlett Packard. Ooh, I like that. That's great. I wanted to know if anybody noticed the connections between this story and Flowers for Algernon, the story that everybody had joined in. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's like this and like Flowers for Algernon, also like Charlie, or is that another

one? And like, and there's a few, like there's arin on also like Charlie or is that another one and like and There's a few like there's a few of these like Frankenstein. I guess would be the main one Frankets and I probably Frankenstein would probably be the the clearest one Pinocchio a little bit. Oh, yeah All right. Well, that's good call. Good call folks over here got super psyched for that There's a real nerds book club going on over here. That's our Flowers for Alderaan fan club that comes to every show. All right, yes, you have a good question? All right, here we go.

Come on over here. Your name, your question, your name for Pierce and your question. Hi, so my name is Jed, and I would name him to go with the theme of Mr. Director, Mr. Scientist. All right. And so there's a scene when it all kind of culminates him to go with the theme of Mr. Director, Mr. Scientist. Alright. And so there's a scene when it all kind of culminates and the lawnmower man makes the

chair levitate and then Pierce doesn't lose his shit at all. He just kind of calmly watches this happen. Totally normal. And then lawnmower man kind of tells his whole thing about the power and what he wants to do and then the next scene he's just back at his audio recording, like leaning against being like, I feel like I should be concerned about, you know, what the Lawnmower Man said. And then he just starts killing people. Like, how did that conversation end? Did they just kind of like shake hands and go part ways?

Bad Lawnmower Man. Bad. All right, I figured it out. Like, and then he walked away. But my favorite thing with him recording his journal is the one time where he turns it on, and it's like, start recording. And it takes a beat, and then he goes, ah, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Or he's like, he's with his sigh of sort of, like,

like frustration. He's like, why did you start recording? You haven't gathered your thoughts yet. Yeah. Who has a really good question? The last one, last one. Yes. Okay. I'll come to you. I'll come from behind here. Your name and your name for him and your question. My name is Nicole. I just thought Isaac would be kind of a good name for us. I like it. Good. So I thought that the movie was kind of like Job's revenge from the

book of Job in the Bible because in the book of Job Satan does a lot of bad stuff to Job and so Job doesn't do anything he just still you know prays to God which like okay anyways so in the beginning a lot of bad stuff happens to him and then after he when he sees, that's when he becomes super smart and then he just starts killing everyone that wronged him. So I just kind of saw a big relationship. Well that's like, that's, you actually knew the one thing that we did not know. That seems like very, that does seem exactly right. That seems exactly right. My favorite thing about that is that they, for this movie, they needed to make his name spelled J O B E so that people would pronounce it correctly. Otherwise every piece of paper about it would have

to say Joe Joe and then in parentheses like what spelled like in the Bible. Was that so people would pronounce it correctly or was it so they were like this is going to be a really subtle reference that not a lot of people are going to pick up on giving a real give them a real softball this audience. Just adding a vowel, they add E to Job, they add O to Angel, they just tack a vowel on to just slip their little subtle reference in there. My script cyber god's going to be great. Actually, he's going to be Stephen King's lawnmower man. What? No.

But Al Pacino will still play the scientist, right? No. His bra's name is Remington Steel? He's playing Angelo? Playing Larry? Not my Larry. I wanted to, we should get to the second opinion, but the one thing I also want to talk about was like when he invites the lawn mower man over to play the video game for the first time, it is the most complex video game I have ever seen.

And the kid, the five year old kid is doing really well, but it's just like jaws opening and closing and like they're flying and like there's no rhyme or reason to that game whatsoever. It's not a game yeah and they don't have like players or tools or anything it's just like razor blades come shooting down. It's like a void razor blade. The flying game. Which also just shows you how shitty the VR is. They have to get a special flying VR thing to get on that. It's like a motorcycle. I love that they need to approximate weightlessness

in some way, shape, or form in order for VR to work. Man, we've come so far. When this movie came out. And look at us now. Here we are, VR is what we're living in right now. Well obviously we had an opinion about this movie but there are other people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions. Second Opinion. What do they do to show a different view?

They get a second opinion Amazon review. It's a five star review written for someone like you. It's a five-star review written for someone like you it's a second opinion Hamilton Hamilton Hamilton all right Hamilton these are five star reviews from amazon.com all right so there's a lot of great ones in here. We'll start off with this one from Roxy Gon. This is written recently, May 8th, 2015. The Lawn Mower Man has two great actors in it. Jeff Fahey, yum.

And Pierce Brosnan, yum. You cannot go wrong with two great actors who are also dreamy to look at and a great script. Yum. Five stars. Wait, the script was also yum? Yes, the script was kind of a soft yum. Yeah. Okay.

It's so funny when people compliment the script on a movie like this where I'm like, I'm not sure they used the script when they were filming it. Um, the five star reviews here are a little bit tough. This one, Laura DiGiorno. Are you sure it isn't Laura Delivery? It's definitely DiGiorno. That's great.

Guys, don't reward that. This movie may have let me imagine what the city was like. Laughter Laughter My delight and fascination with this movie revolves around the elements related to accelerated learning. Yeah, I have a certain fascination with mind stuff. Laughter So this movie was right up my alley. Yeah, I have a certain fascination with mind stuff. So this movie was right up my alley.

Five stars. That is a suicide note. And the final one is written by Pavel Piv. Pavel Piv. Isn't that the guy that came up with the quiz at the end of Inside the Actor's Studio? What are your favorite cursors? Okay, so the title of this one is Virtual Reality Empowered the Lawn Mower Man and it can help you as well.

The plot is about a guy who's not very smart, but he plugs into virtual reality and becomes intelligent. He tries all possible ways to gain access and finds a back door that allows him to ring all the phones in the world. In a way, you can do the same thing with the internet. You can find all information about all things in a life that interests you and you become empowered, more intelligent and successful.

I strongly recommend this movie. Five stars. Thanks for reading. The priest says we have to leave the library now. I am the lawnmower man. That makes it sound like his goal the whole movie was to ring all the telephones in the world. Mission accomplished. And he persevered.

It's like an uplifting story about following your dreams. It's about a guy who's a landscaper who wants to ring every phone in the world. To see if he could do it. There must be a back door to ring these phones. I tried the front door. It's locked. Access denied.

Oh my god, that access denied scene. What was that? I don't even know what he was trying to do. I don't know. If you'd have to guess, how many video games were there made of this movie? Like, this movie spawned X amount of video games. I was hoping for zero. That could be a possibility.

Like, the question being how many video games means multiple. Four? Three. Was this movie a hit? Like, did people were being? No. No? What?

I believe those things are put into production before they realized. Oh. Oh my god. The first Oh. Take care, let's see. Oh my god. It was. It was, oh, well, oh, actually it was a hit. Wow, it was a hit. Budget, 10 million.

Opening weekend, 7 million. Domestic gross, 32 million. Wow. It's a hit. Does that make it a hit just because it's like sort of profitable? I get, I mean, yeah. It was the- I mean, it's not like a hit just because it's like sort of profitable? I mean yeah. It was not like a hit like Star Wars mega hit but that's successful.

That's like fine. Okay. It was the same year that Aladdin, Home Alone 2 lost in New York and Batman Returns came out. So those are one, two, and three. This came in number 42. It opened the same weekend as Wayne's World. Oh it did. It opened the same weekend as Wayne's World. Oh, it did. It opened the same weekend as Wayne's World. I read that today. See?

I wonder, that's what the audience... Can you imagine that double feature? If you like went to the movies and saw both those movies, you'd be like, wait, what? You get it confused, you think it's just like about Garth? Yeah. It's the continuing saga of Garth. It's the Garth prequel, the Garth origin story.

You know, the director of this also directed that Peter Gabriel video that like this side of the vert You know the one that looks like a virtual reality one. Oh, yeah And all right, and then the oh then what else did I want to tell you guys? Oh, I don't know. That's it That's all I have for here. I guess my question is would is there anything that we haven't talked about that you guys Would like to bring up before we before we close up shop here. Oh, God. At 12, 11. There's so many things. Just one thing, the part where he is driving in the car

with the kid and he has a boombox sitting next to him and he keeps putting CDs in and listening to the first five seconds of a song and then taking the CD out and putting another CD in. And being like, this is country music. This is classical music. Yeah. His IQ is off the charts.

Hey. Hey. By the way, when did he turn in his truck for that Mercedes? And where did he get that Mercedes from? Did he buy that? Did he go to the deal? Great question. It was the Widows.

Oh. Drove her insane. My favorite moment, and it's visual, so you in the theater will see it, it's like, Pierce Brosnan's gonna go in after he's collected all of his bombs. And he's like, running in, he's like, huh. Looks at it, and he's like, alright, I'll take this gun. But it's like, if the gun is left on the side of the road, like a video game gun would be like left there. He's like, yeah, bullets.

Oh, and it's like, oh, and ammo? And a health kit? Yeah. And a hundred dollars? Food. I'd use that to buy body armor. Well, let's go around the thing. Would you recommend this movie? I would recommend that to buy body armor. Well, let's go around the thing. Would you recommend this movie?

I would recommend this movie. I found it to be highly enjoyable, even though I didn't understand what was going on. It was great. And like we said, we didn't even touch upon the final CGI battle scene. Turning everybody into bubbles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fuck yeah, I'd recommend this bubbles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fuck yeah, I'd recommend this movie.

Great, Neil. Yeah, I'd recommend it. I remember seeing ads for it in comics when I was a kid, and then seeing it on VHS and being like, yeah, I was satisfied with that. Ha ha. Ha ha. Ha ha.

Ha ha. Jason. I mean, it's as relevant now as it was then. Here we are on the precipice of the advancements of virtual reality. They are at our doorstep. No, I mean, this was terrible. I would watch it, caveat being fast-forward. Like there's stuff in here that is just garbage, you know,

but like, like fast-forward, but yes, I would watch it. I would remake it and just be curious. You would? Yeah, because That should be a new question. Would you remake this movie? Would you remake this movie? All right, well, I would, would you?

Like as the director or? No No, no like with the new like knowing now we know about VR would it be more interesting to see it that way? I'd read I'd reboot it and tell it from the point of view of the wife. Just a real female empowerment story. It's really her story. Yeah. Remember when she was like, ugh, don't smoke in bed. Yeah. I like to see it's just like her day out in the city alone. Just like a single, like, see how Stella got her groove back. And then she comes back and she's like, oh no, the town

is ruined. She passes that classic wall of TVs in the city. And it's like her husband's place of work blows up. She's like, pfft. I would love that. I would like a sequel that's about her only. But wouldn't it be great if it was all going on in the background of her movie,

her Stella Got the Groove Bag, just seeing little things on the TV, like, town blew up last night. And she's just having a shopping montage. I'm walking on sun. It ends with her just picking up a payphone. Hello. Ha ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ugh. All right. Well, thank you all for coming out. But let's talk making history is on Fox starting when? January. January on Fox.

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