HR BESTIES - HR Besties Happy Hour - Employee Engagement Event No-No’s

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

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Happy Friday, besties. Woohoo! We made it. We made it. And for some of us, we have a long weekend! Yay! It's the one day, the US 365 or four or whatever days a year, it's rough going in America, but one day a year we get to celebrate our labor.

Yes, one day. Monday off. Yay! I appreciate a three day weekend. Okay. If it's a half day, if today you get a half day before the holiday, which I, gentle reminder for organizations, anyone listening to this, if your workers don't know what time they get off today, the best time would have been months ago to let them know what the

holiday schedule is. Second best time is as soon as possible. So just pause, go let them know what that departure time is, then come back and listen. But what time in like an average workday, what time to you is a half day? 12. Yeah. For me. Yeah.

I mean, now if I start at seven, 11. I'm going to be real fucking technical. Yeah. I go by eight. Yeah. So I'm doing four hours kind of traditional. I think it's important that organizations be specific about that because also sometimes they won't give a time zone.

Instead they'll be like, one, and people are like, okay, well is that okay? So is everybody on the West Coast getting off at like 10? At 10 a.m.? How does that work? So again, being specific. Do people get out early on the Friday? I never have. Me neither. Oh, I have. Now, will I unofficially?

Manufacturing, ops, I mean, you know, it was always just a normal schedule. Healthcare doesn't ever close. Yeah. Industry dependent. It's exactly industry dependent. So that's why I think it's well, industry and the department within organization. And so I think it's very important for those that do get things like an extra half day to know everybody might not get there. And then there may be people that stick aboard. And so what you can do to try to like make it as equitable as possible, I do think is important. But most organizations I've worked in, we've gotten a half day before the holidays, sometimes half days like three. And well, that's quite the, I would say, I see one commonly, like one, but not 12.

But that's probably like an East Coast thing that you would see, because they start a little later. Yeah, we tend to, but I tend to be an early bird, but like, well, in like law firms, these people would, you know, they're working till 2 a.m. And so they may show up at 10 a.m. to work. I can't live that way. I like to get going early.

So I like to get in early, get out early, and get my holiday weekend starting. Well, we would in my sales job I've talked about, we would do a thing on like before holiday weekends, they'd be like, okay, challenge if you get we get like schedule 11 or no, like 100 sales calls or something as a whole organization, we had like 50 of us or 70 of us in the same role. It would be like a challenge. People would be updating like reply all people would go nuts. You've never seen people more motivated. Of course. We get out of there sometimes. Oh my God,

like 9.45 in the morning. Yeah, that's amazing. Like, woo. It was like, I do think whatever you can do to like motivate people, that always to me had the best productivity and we loved it. Yeah. Pro tip of mine is any three-day weekend should really be a four-day weekend because even numbers are better. So I just would always like to take the Friday off. Yeah, I'll be honest, I typically always took the Friday off because both of my boys went to the same daycare and they were always closed the Friday before Memorial and Labor Day.

So I always took it off. But now that both of them are in elementary school, I hate not having that Friday off. It just feels different. It's like not as long. It's, I don't know. Well, take it for the memes. Yeah, I might.

Take it for the memes, you know? I just might. We kept the water slide up from last weekend. We're having a shrimp boil. I am so ready. Like I'm going to bake in the sun. Because you know, really, Labor Day is almost, We're having a shrimp boil. I am so ready. I'm going to bake in the sun. Because you know, really, Labor Day is almost, the weekend is almost like an unofficial end

of summer. I mean, not really for Tennessee or Texas, probably, or Atlanta for that matter, because it's still hot till October. Yeah, I have my pumpkin spice latte, which as we know has already come out. Yes. I didn't know. It's like 96 degrees. I can't do it.

I can't get there yet. I rolled into Starbucks just because I wanted a little treat last week. And I saw they had all the pumpkin stuff. So I got a pumpkin cream cold brew. This is how out of touch I am with Starbucks. I just wanted a treat, and it was the closest coffee shop to me. And I was so excited.

Now I just need Dunkin's pumpkin donut. They don't have it yet. That pumpkin donut. Oh my God. So good. Well, and have you ever gotten a kit there where you decorate with icing? I think we should do a challenge. For like Halloween? Yeah, like real close to Halloween. They'll do it like- Like they do the spider one with the chocolate. Yeah.

And you can, but like they have one's kits that you can go and get like four and then they have icing. You can do it yourself. I shouldn't, I should just buy it. Every time I envision that it's going to be different than it's been the other 43 years of my life. It's always the same. Just like when I carve pumpkins, every year it ends up being the triangles like Charlie Brown.

We need to do like a donut decorating competition and maybe a pumpkin decorating competition among the besties. Oh yeah. Not Jamie actually, I forgot, not Jamie. Oh yeah, my Miley Cyrus pumpkin. Oh yeah. I'm into that. Yeah, do you paint or carve them?

I do both usually. Yeah, same. I get way too into it. There's no such thing. I don't think there's anything getting too into it. I love like fall and Halloween. I'm already like thinking of my costume. There's like, if you have a Venn diagram of people that have worked in HR, everyone's different, has unique personalities, except for people that work in HR who always will love the fall

and Halloween. It is... The weather. There's about seven to 135 things that we all have in common and fall in Halloween love are absolutely some of them. For real. In pumpkin spice lattes. That's right. Real basic on those fronts.

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customized coverage for your business. Contact a licensed TD Insurance advisor to learn more. So what is going on? Ashley, is there something going on in your neck of the woods? Well thankfully this was not in my neck of the woods, but I saw a story on the webs and I was like, I have a story to chat about at happy hour. Don't let me forget. But it's kind of like the thing. Thankfully, I remembered because have you ever done that? We have people and you're like, I have a story for you Friday. And then you get there and like, what was that story? And you're like, oh, my God, I can't fuck. I can't remember.

Thankfully, I do remember. And already, Jamie, I think, has seen this headline. Yes, I did not read the article, though. Okay. And I know nothing as usual. So let me start with a question rather than a description. If you are going to a company offsite, what are activities that you would like to do at that offsite? Eat and drink. Okay. What about physical activity? Not a lot of physical things.

Yeah. Yeah. No. Because I'm not into zip line bullshit or anything outside. I don't want to do team building like that. But I'm from a hot place. It's not congruent. If we were somewhere else, for example, I've been whitewater rafting a couple of times. Sailing.

Yeah. I like shit like that. Really? That's fun. I don't know if I could want to be in, like, a life or death situation with coworkers. They'd be like, fuck you, co-worker. Because your raft's going to die.

I can tell you after this article, you're not going to want to. So what about a hike? Like, a long, long hike up a mountain. I will hike with you, besties. Up a mountain. I will hike with you besties. Up a mountain. But not my coworkers. Nope.

Like how long? It's like a legit hike, right? So I looked it up. So this was in Colorado. So I don't actually, I haven't seen the name of the company and maybe I'll figure this out. Jamie will find it after the fact. But when she's in her next very busy meeting, but she's like pretending to work, but she's like, let me find the name of this company that caused

this terrible idea. This is why people are in risk management that are like, you hate being the fun police, but you got to be. So this is in Colorado in Mount Chavano. I've never heard of and I'm never going to now because it's, there's a hike that's about 12 miles. I looked this up. It's about eight and a half hours. Eight and a half hours. No. No. So, some of the reporting on this, and the some reporting, I'll say this, is by KKTV, which is your breaking news leader out in Colorado, had whoever, Lindsay Gru, who wrote

this article, has a great word of the hand. As they wrote, in what may cause some awkward encounters at the office, this is what happened. So this group goes to hike, you know, like anything, you have 15 people. Of these people, some are excellent hikers, some I guess aren't as much, so they already broke into two groups. Well then this one group went to the summit and back, the other group was like, we're going to go back. They left one of those colleagues to go summit themselves and come back. And here's the one thing I would say is that if you're in a group and you're like, I really want to summit, but everybody else is going back, do you still go up?

I mean, it's Colorado. It is beautiful. That's a legit mountain. Yeah. Beautiful. It's beautiful. Probably not the adjective I'd say. I mean, but it's kind of blurry, but I mean, I'm sure I picked it up on, I pulled it up,

picked it up. I pulled it up on my phone. I mean, it's Colorado. It's Colorado. And this is a 14 or so. This is like, I do know this because I don't, I don't mountain climb, but I love watching mountain climbing documentaries on Netflix. And so I know a 14 or it's, it's a big deal.

So, but I said, so this, so what they call this, the now solo climber, because this person was like, I'm going to keep going. The rest of the colleagues are like, you're out. So he reached the summit, like 1130 in the morning. And so he's like, all right, well, I'm going to go down because other members of the group, you leave markings and stuff like that to head back down. He's like, I'm just going to follow the markings. Fucker couldn't do that because his colleagues, as they went down, they picked their markers

up. So, this guy left to go to the top of the mountain. Also, he's trying to get back down the mountain and can't figure out where he's going because his colleagues put their markings in their bags so he could not follow them. Why did they do that? On purpose to screw them? Well, I have to imagine they're going to answer that under deposition testimony at some point in the next five years.

But they did that. So then this guy, this poor guy becomes disoriented. He's like, where am I? And so he's, thankfully he had cell service, which is good, like thankful. And so he was dropping pins to his coworkers. Here I am. And his coworkers could see it and they were like, no, no, you're going the wrong way. Go back up, go back up and figure this out.

And so he's trying to send another PIN, can't get cell service. So this is 1130 to the top. At nine o'clock at night, he still hadn't made it down. And so they have rescue teams out, a drone pilot trying to be, it's high winds and rain. So this guy is stuck. But then, so the next morning, it's like on a Friday, then he has to spend overnight there, helicopters, all of these things. Finally, these rescue teams, I guess, figure out where he is because he regained cell service, was able to make

it. He fell at least 20 times on the slopes. Anyway, so he had to be lowered down. So the rescue team, they have to lower him down five different times. He was safely brought down. He was transported to a hospital as a precaution. But I think HR is going to have an investigation on their hands along with the local sheriff's department the next week. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

They're going to have a going out of business sale. It's like for weed gummies or something and he was just really high. No, but like, how I would never, like I would be that woman or probably that HR person who would be like stand in front of him and be like, you can't go. We're done with the hike. I mean, for this very reason, because that would like, you know, I have that brain where I'm going to go, you're going to die on the mountain. Twelve miles, seriously?

And I looked it up, I Googled it. It's in the middle of nowhere. This you know, I mean, I don't know if they're coming from Denver or where they're coming from Colorado Springs or whatever, but oh my gosh, what kind of event is that? And then you already separate into teams and it's not very inclusive. No, no, no. And it's not engaging. I mean. You know, and it's not engaging. Okay, because what am I thinking? I'm thinking, well, so if I have a disability, I can't

participate. Like I already thought that when... Yeah, hashtag startup. But anyway, I literally, I thought to myself, I'm like, this like challenge, especially for the people that are like, don't want to sign up, but they feel pressured to sign up, you can visualize all these things happening. So to me, I have to imagine this might be a startup. But anyway, I saw this and I was like, oh, God. And they're like, talk about what could be an awkward situation on Monday. Awkward. Anyway.

It sounds like they were messing with him, huh? And that is not cool at all. He's like the Glenn that everyone hates, right? I'd still would protect Glenn. I'm like, no Glenn. Yeah, well, especially take, I mean, like you can see the fight being like, we're going back down.

Like, no, I'm going up, damn it. Like, okay, well, we don't want to, but the picking up of the markings seems like a problem. Yeah. Like last chance. Like what were they doing? Hazing them. I don't know. That's if, last chance. Like, what, what were they doing? Hazing them. I don't know. That's, if that story sounds damn messy, but this is why, you know, we've been in situations where you have to be like,

this activity is a, is a bad idea. I mean, people die like that, right? I mean, running out of water. I mean, all of these things, it's summer, right? This was recent. This was like last weekend. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, that's a thing. Yeah. I mean, would that be manslaughter? I mean, you know, like that's... Yeah, that's a good... Yeah, if he would have...

Yeah. I mean, I thought you were going to tell me he passed because that just happens all the time, right? At parks and whatever. Thank goodness. No, I probably... You can probably always guarantee on me telling a happy ending story on this. Not that kind of...

You know, it's not what I mean. I was like, this wasn't necessarily happy ending. No, no, but like, but like he's fine. He's like a go tell the epilogue. He's yes, thank goodness he's alive. He know he's he's fine. I don't know. I took you know, I took the two criminal classes in law school, criminal law just and then my real criminal justice where I had to make the movie about John Grisham movies. And that's all I got. So I don't know, but I guarantee you people that the legal is involved. I am sure. I have no doubt whatsoever. But anyway, I thought that was notable. So stick to like a happy hour like this is also good for. Yeah. Top golf. Putt putt.

But we had like, sometimes you have the activities you choose from, but I feel like the employees are always worried about like, what's the choice supposed to be, especially somewhere with like really extreme power dynamics, like a startup or when I worked at a law firm, we had all these activities you could choose from. And this, we were in Indianapolis for our big like nationwide firm retreat and I'd signed up for bowling, you know, fine. But then this partner I did a lot of work with, he was like, Oh, you should do the 5k. Of course, I'm a junior associate. So I'm like, okay. And so I like running through downtown Indianapolis, like trying to make sure I catch a glimpse of him

so I can see that I'm get a good ding on my performance review for for running like a band sheet, you know, before I go duck pin bowling. But what about y'all? I do. I like doing the bowling ones personally. Yeah, I mean, I think the ones that I think were most awkward for me are like a splash park, like a water park. Oh, got it. Yes.

And it wasn't awkward for anyone, but me being in a swimsuit as HR, that was just me. I guarantee you it's awkward for other people as well. Yeah, but that was just me being awkward more than anything else. What else have I done? We've done like escape rooms and I've told this story, I've told all the story before, but I get like really bossy and I start yelling.

Not you. Not me, yeah. So that was kind of embarrassing for me, too, because I'm like, listen, this is SOS. Listen to it. I've never done an escape room. They're fun. Really? I think we should do, I don't know, I would think so, but I...

Yeah, you probably don't want to. You're going to be yelled at. I mean, she just told you. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to yell at you. Yeah, totally. I want to do one of those paint rooms or rage rooms, you know, the rooms you could just go paint on the walls or just like smash the TVs and stuff like that. Yes, I would love to smash shit up.

You know, Vegas has like an excavator one where you can literally get into like a bulldozer or an excavator. Oh, I swear. I think I saw that on Shark Tank back in the day. I remember spending a Friday night. It was on Vanderbump Rules. Okay, all right. That sounds fun.

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See kraken.com legal, slash PRU, dash disclaimer for info on Kraken's undertaking to register in Canada. You know, I think, you know, like you were saying, Jamie, it can be really awkward when you have an employee engagement event that requires people to change clothes, right? You know, or to be, you know, in swimsuits or whatnot. Like one of those, the rafting trip thing, you know, of course, we had to change, we had to put the wetsuits on Everything's very clingy, but we had a change outside. There was like no

There was like no space to like do it And it's just like me and maybe two other females everybody else is male and so, you know, we found like this space in the woods, like in behind some outhouse, I don't know, we're like back in the middle of nowhere, like we could kind of change. But then I remember I finished changing and I walked out and I looked, because all the guys were just changing

kind of out in the open, weird, awkward, you know, like, you know, yeah. In front of your colleagues? Yes, weird, awkward, you know, like, you know. In front of your colleagues? Yes. Yeah. But I'm not over there, right? Right. I finished my thing and I figured I'm super slow and I turned this way and I see somebody

that's naked. And I was thinking it was a colleague and I like totally freaked out. No, it was one of the rafting instructor, peeper, peeple leader. Look at that. Paper. Paper. I know, 40 slipkner. Wow. I mean, I screamed. Normally, I maybe would peek, but that was going to be work people. So I freaked the fuck out, you know. Thankfully it wasn't. It was one of the guys. That's the problem is people will think of activities. And I do believe part of HR's job is to ask those questions and people will be like, Toby from the office, why are you

being such so no fun? And you're like, no, but you have to think, okay, where are people going to change? Where, you know, what's going to, what's going to happen? Are people going to feel uncomfortable? I don't know. We'll just there. We'll figure it out. And then you're the one that then has to deal with the complaint on the back end because you're seeing Johnny O's wee-wee. There we go. I did not plan that. That had nothing to do with me. I was invited to a conference. That was not my event. I just want to put that out there, disclaimer. I did the BMW Driving Center in Greenville, South Carolina.

It was actually, it was a CLE, which is like a legal seminar. And we met in, it's in Greenville, South Carolina, but we met in Atlanta at the Marta station. And I was thinking about this, they gave us mimosas before we got on the bus, and okay, and chicken biscuits. But it's about three and a half hours to get there. And there were videos.

And I was laughing because my old boss I used to work with, we were reunited. And I said it was like the episode of Wonder Years where Kevin reunites with Winnie. Not in that way. I don't mean it to sound that way. But he was like my... I loved working together. We had so many laughs and things like that. So it was like a one day reunion where we were cracking up at all these people that

were actually watching the legal videos on the drive to Greenville, but drove in the race cars, did the like, it was the most fun day, such a fun day. So that one, I do recommend any of those race car driving things. Yeah, that sounds fun. What I would say is that if you are arranging things like this, don't keep doing the same thing over and over. Yes. Like mix it up.

Like I used to work at a place where it was always golf. Oh, yeah. And Ashley would have loved that. I don't, I don't golf though. I mean, but you see it like just from an inclusivity, like mix it up a little bit, you know. Gosh, not just always golf over and over. Yes, golf. And speaking of one more thing is we had a comment,

normally Jamie's the one that goes after the comments on our HR Besties social, but I had to go this morning or the other morning and make a video based on a comment we got on our HR besties TikTok that I did not care for. The comment was, in response to just one of our videos, but it was, HR is useless. Something defective. Have you ever noticed no CEO of significance? Yeah.

Of significance ever rises through the ranks of HR. Slow clap to you. 10 out of 10, no notes. You fried fish filleted that man. Carl, get fucked. Because you were today by Ashley. Well, I did my research. You know me.

I love it. I did a quick Google search. Not even though I had to get my daughter somewhere early this morning. I was doing a training. I carved my time out while I'm drying my hair, sitting on the floor of my closet. I'm like, no. And so I'm researching a training. I carved my time out while I'm drying my hair, sitting on the floor of my closet. I'm like, no.

And so I'm researching the thing. But so CEO of former CEO of Microsoft may not have actually come through HR, but that's fine. Everybody else, like Mary Barrett, CEO of General Motors, all these things. But we were saying one of the things I think, Lien, you'd commented is it does seem like some of the people that rise through the ranks from HR to CEO often tend to be male. A number of the ones I found were female, but that's that was one thing that stuck out, I think, to us. And you know, what sticks out to me too is just our concept of, quote, executive presence.

You know what I mean? As as we continue to evolve and shift our ideas and ideals as a society and whatnot, I would see that changing more. When we start putting more emphasis and importance on people instead of money, you'll see more leaders come up from HR because the leaders are there. The leaders are totally there. What's not there oftentimes is the respect of the function and the background. The fact that so many of us, we go to business school, law school, multiply degree, whatever, right?

I mean, doing all the hard work, understanding finance, understanding ops, understanding all the different functions, FYI, that's part of the job, right? I mean, so totally equipped and capable, but it's just a lack of respect or not being seen as having, quote, executive presence, right? I mean, that's what kind of pisses me off because we're predominantly female as a function, you know? And so, we'll continue. We'll get better.

We'll get better. But we're badass leaders in HR, like hands down facts. Yes, there are some great ones. Yeah, and I mean, truthfully, let's be honest, like you said, Lee, I mean, we know all the facets of the company than probably any other leader just because of the issues that we dealt with in HR. So we have a different understanding and how it affects our people, our employees.

And I think that's, like you said, it's very important and you'll see what will happen when you put people first. Yeah, HR can be wizards and octopi because you're expected to know fairly decent details about every function in the organization. You end up knowing as you write job descriptions, as you do think you look at performance memos,

KPIs. Yeah, or you're recruiting for them. Yeah. PIP plans, just employee relations in general. I mean, you're learning things that no one else in the organization wouldn't necessarily know about a certain department. You show me an HR professional, maybe one that worked in a restaurant or retail, knows how to get shit done.

Let me tell you, they can run organizations, but providing that additional development, looking at them, really putting them into positions and giving that support spot on, spot on, Lee. Gosh. Anyway, that guy can get fucked. He can. Thanks for the question, Lee. Mm-hmm. Gosh. So anyway, that guy can get fucked. He can. Thanks for the question, Carl. Thanks for the question, Carl.

Have you ever noticed? No. Well, Carl. I say that my t-shirt I'm going to get, which is don't be rude on the internet and definitely don't be rude and wrong. I loved that. I know. That's a good one.

I posted an article from HBR, Harvard Business Review, that was like why, just a screenshot of like why CHROs can make great CEOs. And his comment, he's like, you post some random, random like article from somebody. Yeah, random article. It's from Reddit, as you can see. Some comments. I'm like, you're a random comment. Okay, Carl, here we are. Get a fucking life. Oh, bless.

Normally, I ignore the Carl's, but every once in a while, you catch me on one. Yeah, they get you sometimes, huh? I know. Jamie will get you every time. It takes a lot. It takes a lot to get me recording and blowing my hair out in the morning. Oh, gosh. Well, if you know any great CEOs out there that came up from HR, let us know. We'll repost them. Yeah, yeah. We've gotten some on there.

Like, I've met the CEO of Chanel. There are a few. And one of our besties, Michael Anderson, had posted his CEO had come through HR, and it's such an asset. And I love when people are commenting those. So drop more and Bestie Mary Barra, that'd be fun one up on the HR Besties podcast. We don't normally do interviews, but maybe Bestie Mary will join us for an episode coming up, coming up soon and talk about that path from HR to CEO. I think she said, I think she's the one that had said like HR was such a great preparation for being a CEO. I think she said, I think she's the one that had said HR was such a great preparation

for being a CEO. I think she said it in more professional terms, but basically you see a lot of shit. You see a lot of shit that prepares you. Love to hear her extrapolate on that. But happy Labor Day. Yes, happy Labor Day. Cheers. Everyone have a safe holiday weekend, please. For those who are celebrating. If you're not, just take the days off anyway. Yeah, don't do it.

Come on. And now Jamie's putting her out of office, son. After this, I'm signing off for the day. Shutting off her laptop. And Jamie's had her laptop open here at the bar at happy hour, per usual, but no more. Right? Yeah. And a half day is not three o'clock for anybody.

Give very specific four hours from your start time, or three, or two. Chip, go down, not up. Exactly. Oh, gosh, well have a wonderful long weekend, besties.