I Don't Know About That - Aviation

Episode Date: May 4, 2021

In this episode, the team discusses aviation with professor of history at the University of Dayton and author of "Airports, Cities, and the Jet Age", Janet Bednarek. Follow Janet on Twitter @jrbaceSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What would make you think that Austria is older? Well, first of all, I thought that you really thought Austria is older, and I was doing the bit that I always do in the show where I say the thing where I correct you and then you say, yeah, I was kidding. I think Australia. Well, see, this is the thing. And Austria? There's an Austria-Hungarian. The Aboriginals are the oldest race of people on Earth.

They're the oldest. It wasn't called Australia then. It was called the land down They're the oldest. It wasn't called Australia then. It was called the land down under. Do you know it wasn't called Australia then? Maybe the aboriginals called it Australia. Who knows? I do. Yeah, they didn't.

That's a good question. What was Australia called before it was Australia? What did the aboriginals call it? Land down under. Oh, that does make sense. Yeah, that does make sense. It comes from the land down, yeah. Bougainville.

Yeah. That's where the term Bougainvillea comes from. The plant. Yeah, I didn't know that. Which is indigenous to Australia. Check it up, kids. I learn something on this show every week. It's got all the vowels in it.

Yeah, we learned that. We learned that me and Forrest took mushrooms the other day. We had a big debate over, you know when you have awnings that are just made of wood and there's no real roof? Pergola. In Australia, we say pergola. I've never heard pergola. What's funny is on our other podcast, we got into this argument about it because our Australian listeners were like, why are you guys saying pergola? I'm like, well, first of all, I don't say pergola at all. We normally call it a gazebo out here. No, gazebo is a different thing. I know that they're different

thing i know that they're different things but most of the time people don't say pergola but that's how we pronounce it here but everybody's like it's pergola i'm like who cares pergola i don't care oh somebody passed away that we've talked about on this show uh who michael no ray finkel's dead no it. It's Joe Finkel. We're supposed to say. What? Ray Finkel is so many people. He still wouldn't get it.

It's Joe Finkel, first of all. Ray Finkel's from fucking. Yeah. But I was going to say the guy's name and then. It's the guy who was in the spaceship? It was the Joe Finkel. Joe Finkel died. No, but his name's Michael Collins.

Yeah, whatever. He landed on the moon when Neil Armstrong. I've seen that movie about freeing Ireland or whatever the fuck he did. But how did that not make the news? Or did it make the news? It didn't make the news. How did it not make the news? Not your news?

Yeah, it didn't make any news. Forrest, who told you? Somebody just called Forrest. They're like, we heard you talked about him one time. He's dead. Yeah, it's weird. It didn't make the news. The first guy.

He's back up in the stars, everyone. Where he belongs. Let's see here if it made the news. It was in the news two days ago, two days ago, 37 minutes ago, the Wall Street Journal did another little thing on it. But CNN wouldn't have done that. So it was super in the news. CNN would have had, if it's in the news,

CNN will still have it as breaking news right now. You know how CNN things are breaking for days? Breaking news, the thing we told you yesterday. That's why we're all stressed out all the time. The only good news, the real good news is like, well, it's not good news. It's normally pretty horrific when this happens. It's like when you're watching like America's Got Talent or something

and then they stop and they go we have to stop this program for news you something's gone down that hasn't happened for a while i'm not i'm not wishing it upon the world but like that's when something that's when a big event happens man and how did joe finkel not stop programming he was uh pretty old he was 91 looks like oh yeah too young too young that's it that's the thing is because my father's start my father's 80 now well he's about to turn 80 and he now talks about people who died in their early 70s like oh he was very young you know each decade you start going you get like i wonder when he gets 80 he starts looking at people in his 80s like oh he went a bit soon yeah it does it does still feel

really young to me like 70s because like my parents are in their 70s and they they seem very young have you checked on them yeah they were just here visiting yeah well I it's it used to be 73 was the average age of a human being and now I think it's I don't know it's like getting closer to 80 112 but my grandmother my nana died at 73 and she looked like she was 100. She looked as old as balls. And I used to think maybe it's because I was a little kid. And I look back at photos and I'm like, what the fuck was wrong with our diets

or what was going on? She looked old. Sorry, he was 90, just to be accurate before anyone writes in. Yeah, I don't know. Well, people died a lot younger back in the day. I was thinking about that the other day. When I was young, what was the average age? 73.

No, no, like 100 years ago, or 200 years ago, the average age was like 30. Yeah, whatever, yeah. Yeah, I was actively trying to kill myself at that age, and I couldn't do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like taking drugs and running around playing basketball and drugs. They didn't have antibiotics,

so you got an infection or something like that, you were done. That's really what it was. They're weak. They didn't have antibiotics. So you got an infection or something like that, you were done. That's really what it was. They're weak. It wasn't their diet. It was the fact that they couldn't cure anything. We're more resilient now. That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, yeah.

With the pollution and the nitrates that are keeping us together. Fucking colonists. Hey, Jack. There's Jack. Oh, hey, Jack. Jack's in a hotel room in Austin right now following his comedy dreams. He's gone off. He's doing stand-up and whatever.

Unfortunately, his comedy dreams are in another city. Yeah, another city. He's doing a documentary called Finding Joe Rogan. He's living in Austin. He's not living there. No, no. He's just living there today. Yeah, true. Yeah, he's got a bed. That's living in Austin. I'm not living there. No, no. He's just living there today. Yeah, true.

Yeah, he's got a bed. That's living. He has to share a bed with Cam. There's a young bloke in the bed behind him just sitting there. And what's the deal with that? You're sharing a room with another comic? Sharing a room. I'm in the other bed over there.

Yeah. I figured you were in the other bed. Yeah. Oh, we're not the same. Where are your headphones? And microphone. Yeah, it's not working well. I was talking to you. I don't know if you've seen this podcast before.

He'll be fine. I'm just amazed that we talk about the mate in the bed and he hasn't flinched once or looked at us. Like his acknowledgement of us talking about him is nothing maybe he has headphones on he's got a big head of hair or are they just large furry headphones those would be good headphones like like a toupee but then they're headphones like beats yeah yeah someone wrote to me the other day that said i always wear hats on the i just

didn't wear a hat today because I was running late, but I always wear hats today because I'm trying to cover up my wig. Wig. It's not true. I'm trying to cover up a lot of hair problems. It's not a wig. The lack of wig I'm trying to cover up. You think that I bought a wispy wig?

You thought I bought a comb-over-y looking wig. We wanted to look realistic. Leave some spots open. Yeah, when you wear a wig, you let it fly. You let it go out. You-y looking wig. We wanted to look realistic. Leave some spots open. Yeah, when you wear a wig, you let it fly. You let it go out. You let everyone see it. You paid money for it. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm buying different grades of wigs, so eventually when I do go bald, I've been bald for years, and now I'm wearing the wispy wig, so when I do go bald, you'll go, oh, that checks out. I don't want anyone to be suddenly shocked from my full head of hair. The wispy wig. Sounds like the worst restaurant ever. Let people think you've grown back a full head of hair. The wispy wig. Sounds like the worst restaurant ever. Let people think you've grown back a little bit of hair.

The wispy wig. What do you got for us, Jack? I got life hackets. Ah, good. A lot of life. Wait, what are life hackets? It's how to get into comedy clubs with very little amount of... My everyday life.

All right, hold on. What I'm sharing with our audience. Say it again, because we're talking over there. What is it? Our life hacks I use in my everyday life that I'm sharing with the audience to make everyone's lives easier. All right. But they are terrible.

They're usually bad. It's my life. Because people wrote into us and said they didn't know what was happening in this last segment because we didn't explain it and we expected everybody to know it. Life hackens. You've watched the things on the internet where people fucking, this is the way to cook a fucking steak and they get a toaster

and they turn it on its fucking side and just cook it proper, you dickhead. And they've always got pasta where they're like, you enjoy pasta? Try curling it up into a frying pan and then flip the frying pan and put it in the blah, blah, blah. Go fuck yourself. Just cook it in a pot, you dickhead.

Anyway, what have you got, Jack? All right, so the first one of the day I've used before, I had a mouse in my house and my roommate determined we don't want an exterminator so we made a little safe trap by taking a bucket and built a ramp out of cardboard and put peanut butter in the bottom and caught actually we had two mice we caught both mice with the bucket peanut butter trap and we let them go it's actually pretty good where did wait where did you let them go to someone else's house. I now have mice.

Yeah, I've seen that one. You can also put a balloon in there and you put it in there and then it pops. Yeah, you put a balloon in the bucket and you put some food and then a bunch of them come in there and it pops and goes down. That's terrifying. I put milk in the bottom of a bucket.

One mouse, he gave up very quickly. I don't know, it's sort of my walking know I've seen that on the internet though is that when you came up with it? it's one we've experienced I don't know if it exists on the internet but we did it I think that's a good one that's probably your best one I think peanut butter and a ramp

what do you make the ramp out of? cardboard? cheese? beer boxes alright what's next next you know sometimes you're walking down the street and uh people they have like a charity set up they're like hey do you want to donate to x y and z i found the easiest way to get through that instead of ignoring them kind of being a jerk say i already donate and they go wow thank you so much and you keep walking everyone's happy except for the people that need the money yeah yeah and well no yeah they do that a lot in london where they

where they come up and they go hey so can i talk to you for a minute and it's like no i don't want to talk to my friends for a minute. Yeah. My life hack is just saying no and walking past them. Yeah. Yeah. Like Kelly, Kelly's life hack is resting bitch face. It works very well. This next one,

um, do you have a song that's like kind of popular that you really want to hate? For me, it was Justin Bieber's baby when I was in high school or middle school, whenever that song came out. But if you have a song you want to hate for me it was justin bieber's baby when i was in high school or middle school whenever that song came out but if you have a song you want to hate you set it as your morning alarm and you're going to hate that song within the week right so you're struggling with the song like you're liking it you're like but i want to hate it why why do you want to hate it yeah i don't know something's wrong with my head yeah no one wants one wants to like Justin Bieber's baby, baby, baby.

No one wants to like that. It is very easy just to ignore it. Or you don't have to tell anybody you like it. Yeah. Or you can make it your alarm and then you can be like, I don't like that song anymore. Yeah, yeah. I guess if you want to torture yourself, sure. Okay. Is this how you

stopped masturbating, Tim? Same technique. Yeah, I want to hate this. What's the weird thing? Just enjoy it. Just be your own person, Jack. Yeah, life hack. Be confident, Jack. Oh, gosh.

Yeah, I don't know what's happening. Give us another life hack, Jack. You want to hate a song? Just hate it. Yeah. If you like it, you like it. You know what I mean? Like, there's plenty of things that I...

You can come out of the closet liking Justin Bieber's Baby. Yeah. It does sound like that. It sounds like something when somebody is gay and they don't want to be gay. If you don't like a song, go to a special camp. And get shock therapy. Where you can pray away the song.

Yeah, there you go. This next life hack we got from a viewer. Oh. Scott Sopka Jr. It's a Chipotle hack. Okay. So when you're ordering Chipotle, instead of getting a ball of a burrito that's impossible to eat,

do this. Order a bowl with a free wrap on the side. If you take like half your bowl and put it in the wrap, it's a perfectly sized burrito. Plus you have half a bowl extra. All right. Or you could order three tacos. They're soft tacos about the same size.

I'll tell you a life hack that you do at Chipotle. Go down to Paquito Mus. Very good. Now, another one is don't order the rice in there. Just pay the extra for double meat and all that type of stuff because they over rice their burritos. Cause I don't like Chipotle, but I love it when we used to get it at work or someone's to get a home and

you get all the different foods and their portions are out. Their quality of food is actually pretty good, but their portions are just like, I don't get rice or beans. Race them up, baby. And it's perfect size burrito. Get your own tortillas.

Karen, you're the white pack, right? Yeah, I got a white pack. Okay, Karen's got a white pack. He's alive. I was listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he wearing pants? When you're spooning, Jack.

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness, Cam. Cam's good looking, huh? You should sing him Baby, Baby. I have a wife, hey? Yeah. All right. So this is for the fellas out there.

All right. So, you know, with boxers, they have the little hole in the front. Yeah. For like your penis, your penis to go through, your little penis. Your dingle through there. But, you know, it's like kind of a hassle to go through there to pee, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So when you're wearing pants during the day, what I do, a life hack, is I just let my little dingle go through the hole just throughout the day. So when you go to your urinal, you only have to take off one layer before you pee. Right, but how easy is it just to put down your boxes, just pull them down a little bit?

I've never gone through the hole. But also, isn't the head of your dick rubbing against your jeans all day? The zipper is right there, so there's maybe some rubbing shape. You guys are really bad at life hacks. Yeah, yeah. Here's a life hack. Don't call it a dingle. I like dingle.

I thought that's what keeps your Wi-Fi in the house. Put a dingle in this room. Even if it rubs against it, it makes it stronger over time, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because women love nothing more than a calloused penis. This penis has gone to work. What is that, a corn on your penis? What?

You can have the backpack for free and the scar tissue on your penis makes it bigger. Oh. What do we have to pay for in your life? What tax do we have to pay for if that one's for free? I don't know. He might tell you. Oh, yeah. You've got a Venmo.

My wife has horrendous feet, as all women I've ever dated, right? Because they're all stuck into shoes and all that type of stuff. You've all got toes bent over and things. My feet are soft and supple and very smooth because I've worn Converse for the last 44 years. I just wear my sandals everywhere. Yeah, yeah, but my wife's feet are like that. Anyway, this morning we wake up and she goes,

the cat bit my foot, right, in the middle of the night. I probably thought it was a fucking monster, right? Didn't go down well. It wasn't the best thing to say first thing in the morning. You should start with an I love you. We should add to your Wikipedia supple feet. Oh, yeah. Have a look at them.

Wiki feet. Have a look at them. There's not a hard crevice on them or whatever. That's the problem. That's why I can't walk on sand or anything like that at the beach because my feet just aren't ready. I can't walk over rocks or anything. I have that too because my feet are soft and so you have to train your feet to walk on any of those things.

I walk on a little bit of Lego. It's like doing a coal walk. I walk on a little bit of Lego it's like doing a coal walk doing a fire walk have you done that before? the fire walk? no my feet are soft and supple

you don't put babies like this out in a while you gotta save them in case they ever invent the foot you know transfer supple what do they call a foot? what do you

a heart transfer? heart transplant if they make foot transplants yeah actually transplant yeah that'd be good yeah

you're gonna be a foot donor when I die I want to give my feet to someone who has shitty feet you're welcome why don't you give them to your wife all of her shoes would be too big alright

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Let's introduce our guest, Janet Bednarik. G'day, Janet. Thanks for being on the show. Now we're going to play a segment called, we don't have Jack to press the button. Ah, yeah, it's called Judging a Book by Cover. Judging a Book by Cover. We have no song.

We have a theme song. Jack's here. It turns out he's integral to the show. Okay, so there's a couple of yes or no questions. I'm going to just suss out where you're sitting right now. You have a photo of, I assume, your husband. Seems like a handsome man in the back photo there. So you're a married lady.

You've got like a plaque there where you look to have won an award of some sort. So I'm going to say there's paper around you. I'm going to say you're an academic. Are you an academic? I am. All right. Grand.

Uh, would it be safe to call you professor Janet? Yes. All right. Professor Janet. Um, is the thing that your academia is in, is it, uh, is it, is it a useful thing? When I say useful, is it a practical thing or is it like philosophy? Is it, is it a useful thing? When I say useful, is it a practical thing or is it like philosophy? Is it a practical thing? Well, if you consider philosophy practical,

then you could also consider my field practical. You use this thing. You experience this thing a lot. Oh, you're an expert in anxiety or bad golf shots. You haven't done this. Well, you've done it very little, if at all, in the past year. So you're a professor of stand-up comedy? Respecting people's bodies?

No, my own I'm talking about. I was like, wait, you're not a predator. What's going on? You're a professor in healthy diets. Okay. Do you work in the medical world? No. No.

Do you write books? Yes. Okay. I need a hint then. This is something that I've done with you a lot, and we haven't done it in the past year if at all

oh you're a professor of making out no you're going to do this very soon when you go to Australia oh quarantining no we didn't have a quarantine

how are you going to get to Australia oh air travel professor of air travel alright alright I know a thing or two about air travel. What are we talking about? Aviation.

I don't know exactly if you called it. Am I right, brothers? Oh, there he is. There's one point already. Janet Bednarik is a professor of history at the University of Dayton, where she teaches both aviation and urban history. Her scholarship includes two major works on the history of U.S. airports, America's airports, airfield development,

1918 through 1947, and airport cities and the jet age, U.S. airports since 1945. Her article, The Flying Machine in the Garden, Parks and Airports, was selected for inclusion in the Best American History Essays. She is currently working on the history

of 20th century Dayton, Ohio. And if you want to tell us anything else about yourself or how you came to be an expert in this field or study it, please do that. Well, I originally studied urban history at the University of Pittsburgh. But right out of graduate school, the first real job that I got was as an historian with the United States Air Force. And I worked as an Air Force historian from 1989 to 1992. So that's how I picked up the aviation side. And then in 1992, the University of Dayton was looking for someone who could teach aviation and urban history. And I got the job.

Okay, well, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to ask Jim what he thinks he knows about aviation. And then at the end of that, you're going to grade them in accuracy, zero through 10, 10 being the best. Kelly's going to grade them on confidence. I'm going to grade them on et cetera. And then we'll add those scores together. And I usually have a name for the category.

I didn't do them, but 21 through 30 would be the best. 11 through 20 would be the middle. 10 would be the worst. Or when you go flying high. Oh no, flying, flying high. The movie airplane,

right? It was called airplane all around the world, except for in Australia where it's called flying high. Yeah. That's not funny. Don't know. The movie Mighty Ducks was changed to champions. What's wrong with Australia?

Just leave the names of the movies. All right. So 21 through 30, flying high. 11 through 20, not flying high. Zero through 10, any Indonesian airline. Grounded. Grounded. Don't fly in Indonesia.

I flew in London before. Anyways, we can talk about that. I was on Air China and a person reclined their seat and it hit my forehead. Now, I know I have bad posture, but fuck me. Okay, let's start with this. What does aviation mean? Where does it come from?

What does it mean? It originated with the sunglasses aviators, and they work backwards. Aviation, geez, the meaning of that word, I just always thought that was the word. I don't know. Yeah, they all have meanings. Like the Latin. Where did it come from? We did a whole always thought that was the word. I don't know. Yeah, they all have meanings.

Like the Latin. Yeah. Where did it come from? We did a whole show on that. On birds. Yeah. We come from the Latin for bird. Which is? Avia.

Yeah, that's pretty close. Avia lactis. Avia lactis. I just quitted avia. Avian. Avian. What year was the first airplane invented by whom and the wright brothers right and they were somewhere in the midwest um and they invented it and it was at

the turn of turn of the 20th century i'm gonna say like i because they used airplanes in the first world war or the red baron and all that but they looked pretty shitty they were just those like type of but you know the ones I'm talking about. But the Wright Brothers, where was it? It was in the Midwest? I think, I'm not sure where it was. I've seen the plane in the Aviation Museum in Washington. What was that area it was called that was famous?

I don't know, but I know it was probably around 1904, somewhere in that sort of region, give or take a few years. Okay, and then how long was the flight and how high did they go? Oh, they didn't go very high. It was basically just a glider with a rudder and they got on top of it and they were wearing like a three-piece suit because that was what athletic wear was back in the day.

And they glided, you know, maybe 600 feet or something like that. That was the first flight. And how high up did they get? They got 100 feet. Okay. They glided. All right. And so it's like before the airplane,

like what were like other important developments in the history of flight? Well, the invention of birds. And I want to thank my lord and savior jesus christ for that actually it was before him he probably had birds around him it was his dad that did that so uh so there was birds and then after birds i don't know if there was a hang glider or something like that um there's probably some model airplanes. I always liked when the Wright brothers invented their thing. They put two wings on and then other inventors came along and went, if one wing on either side works, I'm going to put 15 wings on.

More wings, more flight. You know, you saw those stupid planes that they gave a go to. But then really like, so like helicopters and flying things, Leonardo da Vinci sketched out some things that looked like they could work with the wind and the rudders and all that type of stuff. So he sort of had the first ever sort of documented, this is what it could be. Like a drawing.

Yeah, drawings, yeah. So a helicopter, when did that? That was the same thing. Da Vinci had like a spiral. When the actual first helicopter. Oh. And who? Okay, so I want to say that was after.

I don't remember any First World War movies with choppers coming in, right? But there was definitely helicopters in like the Korean War and all that type of stuff. So I want to say that the first helicopter came in, were they in the Second World War? I don't remember seeing helicopters in the second. I'm going to say the first helicopters, like the invention of the helicopters probably came in around 1925,

but they didn't become go into practice until the, the, the mid to late 1940s. Okay. First commercial flight, you know, where that was where it was and from where to where or when it was it was from LA to New York

and they had to stop off at Atlanta in a hub there was no direct flights and they had to change they already had a hub yeah I don't know when that was

I don't know like I'm trying to think like when Amelia Earhart tried to fly across and all that type of stuff I don't know the years first airport you probably don't know.

First airport, I want to say it would have been somewhere in America because the airplanes and American invention as such. I'm going to say the first airport would have been something silly like Delaware or something. Okay, so what were airplanes first used for or used for before they became like passenger carriers? They were used in the war, in the first world war. They were used to do, were they dog fights in the sky?

So when did they start using them in the war then? What that like was? Oh. In military use, like was it in the US? No, 1909. And it was the US? Well, the Germans were big on that as well. You know, the Germans as well. So I'm going to say probably the Germans started using it in military before the Americans.

Okay. What helped change the public's perception on flying? Well, 9-11 didn't do well for it. That was one of the changes. You're saying like the first change? Positive, I'd say, like where people are like, oh, wow, this could be something that everyone would be doing or just to make it more mainstream.

People were sketched out at first. What happened was Howard Hughes invented like the spruce goose and all that type of stuff where he had like, you could have like a big plane that landed on the water or anything like that. But then he had his own airlines. And before that, people were trying to do air travel, but they were flying very low.

And when they're flying low, the turbulence is very bad. And he started trying to make them fly higher above the turbulence so that people could have a smoother bit of air travel. And how did they achieve flying higher? They just pulled the rudder up a bit. And they were like, wow, he just goes straight up. They were like, why didn't we think of this first? What did they do to the cabins?

It's always the pressurized. They pressurize the cabins. I was going to get it if you ask it like that. They pressurize the cabins so they could fly higher, and then that's what happened there. Okay, let's ask a few more questions. Do you know what is the DC-3? They were three criminals living in Washington back in the day

who did a few bank jobs. Yeah, that's right. That's different. I don't know how that got in here. That. Yeah, that's right. That's different. I don't know how that got in here. This is about for next week's episode. That's weird. Charles Lindbergh flew. Oh, no, the DC-3, a Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman.

Yeah. Okay. Charles Lindbergh flew from New York to where, and what was the aircraft called? Oh, St. Louis, and it was the Spirit of St. Louis. Oh, okay. He flew to St. Louis. Okay.

Do you know what the world's busiest airport is? The busiest airport in the spirit of St. Louis. Oh, okay. That's E-Flu to St. Louis. Okay. Do you know what the world's busiest airport is? The busiest airport in the world is Atlanta. Good. I've been there a lot. Yeah, yeah. I know. When Kelly and I were talking about it, she goes, you wouldn't believe Atlanta's a big... Yeah, I've been there a million times. That blew my mind. It's got train network down

there. I think they revamped it for the Olympics or whatever. It's a pretty painful airport to get around. It is. Very narrow. But there's like each terminal is like the size of another standard airport. Other big airports around the world, Heathrow is a big one. That's always sort of full. LAX is probably, but nothing like, LAX isn't a hub.

Your hub one's Atlanta. I think Denver's like a hub these days as well where you can. I think they're all hubs for something. Well, we'll see. Yeah. Okay, let me ask you a few more questions. How high does the typical passenger plane fly now and at what speeds? Oh, golly.

I think it's... How many feet? Yeah, I think it's 6,000 feet or something like that. It could be 3,000, 6,000 feet. And it goes at a speed of, I want to say, 600 miles or something like that. It could be 3,000, 6,000 feet. And it goes at a speed of, I want to say 600 miles an hour. Okay. Like planes can obviously break the sound barrier and go a lot faster and all that type of stuff. Passenger planes? Well, no, they try to make them run, you know, slowly and economically. The whole idea behind

a passenger plane is to get as many people on as possible and make them go. Because you have the Concorde that could go a lot faster, but it was very expensive. It ate up fuel. It's like trying to drive your car in the most economical way. And also those passenger planes, they're also filled with, like, parcels and shit. People don't know that underneath it. Like, they're also shipping goods across with you,

which I always find weird is because, like, your bag's too heavy, the plane will go down. And you're like, you're probably shifting some dumbbells under there for some idiot who bought them on eBay. You know what I mean? What company is generally considered the first modern passenger airliner in 1933? And how many people could it hold? Yeah, it was A&A.

Not A&A. What's the bloody? It starts with an A. Not Amway. Amazon? No, it's not amazon it's it's it's it's the one it's the one we're on uh catch me if you can that he becomes the pilot it doesn't start with an a if you're thinking of that one oh okay so whatever howard hughes invented whatever howard hughes he was the big aviator you know how many people could hold the first passenger plane oh look it probably it probably was

40 people. Okay. Last question. Who is Amelia Earhart and what did she do? Amelia Earhart wanted to cross the Atlantic in an airplane and be the first woman to do it. I'm not even sure if a man had done it before, but she wanted to cross the Atlantic. And then what happened was they didn't, she was lost and they never found her again. And she was on a three-hour tour. And there's a lot of beliefs that maybe she landed and she got eaten and killed by people in some, you know, like a lot of like myths like that. But she probably just crashed into the ocean

and they never saw her again. I don't know why people are like, and they never found Amelia Earhart. There's Air France flights that have radars and technical stuff and people talking to them constantly and we lost that. Everyone's surprised that we lost Amelia Airhead. Okay. How did Jim do on accuracy? Zero through ten. Ten's the best.

I'd say between a seven and an eight. He did actually pretty well well I was extremely impressed I get on planes I'm giving you a 9 on confidence that was good I'll give you like a 25 and etc which means, I don't know what that means flying high man

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reading your answers now but what is like because i know when we were we look kind of questions for us and stuff there's like there's a kind of a difference between flight and aviation and the history i don't know we're kind of getting confused i was at least so well aviation would be covering everything that has to do with flight um because it could cover um powered flight uh non-powered flight by gliders um heavier than air flight airplanes um lighter than air flight balloons and dirigibles. So aviation kind of covers everything, really, that has to do with flight. All right. And Latin from the birds from avian.

Avian, yeah, the avian flus and all that type of stuff. I said avian in the end, right? Yep. So I asked them what year the airplane was invented, by whom. He said the Wright brothers in the Midwest Midwest turn of the century, 1904. And they went 600 feet far and a hundred feet high and 600 feet. Well, he's really close. It is the Wright brothers.

It was 1903. So it was December of 1903. As a matter of fact, their first flight, they, they, the, the day they proved they invented the airplane they made four flights um the first one um lasted only uh 12 seconds and went 120 feet um but the last flight uh lasted 59 seconds and went 852 feet so 600 feet is you know nice in the middle there. I averaged them out. That's what would be on their baseball cards. But how high were they? They were pretty low, right? Yeah, only maybe seven or eight feet. Really? Wow. Seven or eight feet and they went 800 feet?

Yeah. He was really just kind of skimming over the top of the dunes there in North Carolina. Did the first flight stop because they hit a shrub? Big tree. Well, the plane kind of porpoised a bit and eventually hit the ground. That one that I see, like I love that aviation museum in Washington. It's at the Smithsonian Aviation Museum.

And they say that that's the actual plane it looks so pristine i assume it's been it's been uh you know pimped my ride a little bit like they've gussied it up a little bit yeah it's been restored a few times um it pretty much crashed up in a ball um back in 1903 but the wright Wright brothers understood how important it was. And so they, they gathered it all up. They brought it back to Dayton and kept it and then kind of we rebuilt it. And but it's been restored a few times. So Dayton, Ohio was where it happened. No, it happened in North Carolina.

Oh, that's not going to be worse. The flight happened in North Carolina. All of the research, though, the important brain work happened in Dayton. Now, you said North Carolina and you said it was in December. Wouldn't have there been snow in North Carolina? Wouldn't it have been cold as all hell? It was very cold and very windy, but that's what they wanted. To get the airplane to fly, they needed to have a pretty steady wind to create the lift.

And so they went to North Carolina, the Outer Banks there, because the weather service told them that that's where they would have the steadiest winds to fly into. I always think of air travel as like, you know, when you're living in the world and you think, oh, nothing ever happens at all. You think technology because you see these science fiction movies and you think we'll never get to there, right?

And so just even in the last 20 years of my life, there's been things that have been invented where you're like, wow, that's like just like the iPod. We all had records and cassettes and all sorts of that. But I think the biggest, the fastest moving thing in history, inventions-wise, is from 1903 we have the Wright Brothers and then by the mid-1990s, so less than probably 90 years, right, we have the stealth bomber.

Yeah. And that's why I think like that much progression, that's why I sort of believe in UFOs, if they exist, that they could have some technology. Because we came that far in 90 years. Imagine what we can do in another 100 years in flight. We're breaking sound barriers and stuff and we're with sonar. It's quite amazing.

I think that's the fastest progression of any inventions we have. Also, so it was, what's the name of the area in north carolina i forget kitty kitty kitty so so they had to go from dayton to north carolina which is and you know if only they had planes back then that'd be way easier but like how long did that take they had to take the whole plane there it would take them a couple of weeks to get there because they they could take trains for a good part of the distance. But Kitty Hawk was pretty isolated. They were flying a hundred feet at a time.

Not even in another wind. Bob Newhart monologue about that. Okay. So I asked him about, you know, before the airplane, you mentioned some of those, but like important developments in the history of flight that led to the airplane. And so like, so there's a lot of things, I guess. I just said Da Vinci. I thought there's other things in between. A lot of points. I feel like. Yeah. Good. Good. Yeah. Oh yeah. Da Vinci is, is key in there. And some of his early drawings.

But probably more important is by the is by the 19th century, there were serious scientists who began looking at flight. I'm sure you've heard, you know, if God had meant man to fly, he would have given the wings. And there were a lot of people who did not believe that flight was at all possible. But beginning in the 19th century, you get some very serious people beginning to explore the idea of whether humans can fly or not. So you get George Cayley in the early 19th century, who writes a famous scientific paper that kind of defines what an airplane was going to be. It had to have a system to have lift to overcome weight and propulsion to overcome drag. And then by the late 19th century, you had people like Octave Chanute and Samuel Pierpont Langley,

who was the head of the Smithsonian Institution, very seriously engaged in flight research. And so that really is what encouraged the Wrights to become involved in this. There was a lot going on. It was being reported in newspapers and magazines. And there were a lot of people all over the world by that time who were convinced that with the technologies that were available at that time, humans actually could fly. And what were the technologies that were available? Because I always, when I think technology, I think like computers and stuff like that.

They were talking like wooden rudders were available or what was the technology that broke through? Small, lightweight engines, for example, for propulsion. Right. Samuel Langley powered his early unmanned flying machines with small, actually small steam engines, but they were small and they were lightweight. And then by the time the Wrights were doing their experiments, you had smaller, lighter weight internal combustion engines that you could then use to create your propulsion. So those technologies were available. The Wrights also became the first to really use the wind tunnel, which had been developed in the 19th century, to do aeronautical research.

It had been done by people like Gustav Eiffel, for example, to study the effect of wind on tall structures. But the Wrights used it to test their wings and come up with the right shape for the wing to produce the lift that they needed. Now, I might sound really stupid saying this, but the car came before the plane? Because the T-Mobile Ford wasn't around yet. No.

No, but the automobile shows up in the 1870s, 1880s. Right, but it wasn't commercial until much later, right? Right, right. We did that other thing. So, Carl's Benz invents the combustion engine to go make an automobile and all that type of stuff. commercial until much later right not right right and we did that with the thing so carl's bends invents the combustion engine to go make an automobile and all that stuff and then that technology was used in the airplanes and okay i'm up to date now i know what's going on that was 30 episodes ago so so the wright brothers was the first manned flight so you because you mentioned

there was other okay yeah that's i guess yeah yeah there had been other flights before unmanned heavier than air and of course the, the balloons were difficult before then. So wait, the drawings that Leonardo da Vinci did of helicopters, those are close to the like. I mean, did he just draw something and say this is a helicopter or was it like. It had science and ratio and like all that type of stuff and the wind. But anyway. Well, he was a genius, so. No.

You know, and great imagination. And so he, using what he would have known in his time, he was imagining a machine that would do what he wanted it to do, which was to fly. And so you get kind of the air screw. Yeah. Sign of that. But that's kind of seen as the origin of the helicopter. But then there are designers, again, in the 19th century who come up with the idea of the rotating propellers on on top of a a structure to to create lift um my my nephew is uh is in the australian military and he is um uh becoming a helicopter pilot for the things i think he's going to come out and maybe move to uh what kind of camp rucker in uh in in, in Alabama to, to study with the Americans to do that thing.

And he's going to become like an Apache helicopter. Isn't helicopter piloting like incredibly difficult. I've heard that it's like, like much harder than they have to start with airplanes. You can't just go, I'm not going to do airplanes. I'm going to become, they train up on airplanes and then they train up to be a helicopter pilot.

After they get their wings, they go off and they do the helicopter piloting, at least in the military. I don't know how civilians do it. Yeah, it's much more difficult to get a helicopter rating than an aircraft rating. It's often described as 10,000 parts flying in close formation. Yeah. It's a very complex machine.

It takes a lot of hand and eye coordination to fly. I've been on so many helicopters with the British military. I've been in Chinooks and all this type of stuff. I've been in helicopters where you just got your legs dangling out the back and they're flying over. Because I did a lot of tours of Afghanistan and Iraq as a soldier before I was a comedian. Thank you for your service.

Yeah, as a comedian, I went out there and I used to get helicopters everywhere we went. So I got a little bit like blasé about being on helicopters. Have you been skydiving? I've skydived twice. Okay. I had a skydive with, who are the American military who do it? They're called the something somethings. Golden Knights? Yeah, the Golden Knights. I've skydived with the Golden Knights

and I did it once over Ayers Rock or Uluru in the middle of Australia. And when you're with the Golden Knights, they're all very military. So they're just like, okay, you're strapped in, you're this, you're that, you've got to be safe, sir. We're going to jump out of this plane and just put your knees up like this and then put your arms out to the side. Do not, da-da-da-da-da, right? But when you do it like in Australia, there was two blokes

that I once got over with. There was one bloke who was an Australian bloke and the other bloke was a Swedish guy. And I saw the other bloke being strapped to the Australian bloke here was an Australian bloke and the other bloke was a Swedish guy. And I saw the other bloke being strapped to the Australian bloke and the Australian bloke was going, oh, yeah, this is a bit loose. I hope this doesn't break up. The Australian bloke was taking the piss the whole time. So I went, I'll take the large Swedish man.

And the large Swedish man was like, you've done many, many, many. I'm going to be completely fine. Now, at that stage, I I was 210 pounds which put me like five pounds too fat to skydive right and then they're like ah we'll give it a go right and then I thought man I'm gonna die strapped to a Swedish guy which is how I always imagined my death would be I just assumed that would be my ending I didn't know what happened in the sky though but I once you've done it once the second time wasn't scary at all. The scariest part for me was actually just going up in the airplane. Everything else, none of that was scary. I think it was just like the last minute,

like, oh shit, this is actually happening. Can't get out of it now. But I loved it. After the parachute opens and then you're like, I'm safe. I get a little bored the next sort of five minutes. I know. I wanted to free fall longer. I'm like, yeah, my crotch is hurting. Can we just get down? And then they go, do you want to steer?

And then you go, they go, pull on that one. And then you go, I'll use you steer. I've done the steering. Good luck. And then the landing's a little bit scary because lift your legs up. Now, I'm not the most flexible of humans. I'm like, I'm going to break a bloody leg here. I'm going to land flat on my ass.

Yeah, so back to the helicopters. No, I mean, that's what we were talking about. I used to fly. We used to count manatees in a helicopter. We would fly with the police in Miami-Dade County, and that's how we would count. You really should do that in the water. Swim around.

Yeah, we used to get in the helicopter and research worms um and i would i would sit up front with the pilot and i no matter how many times i flew i'd be watching what he was doing and i'm like that looks impossible he'd be moving both his hands and his legs it just doesn't seem that complicated because it's like it just goes up and forward like you'd think it'd be just like this joystick, but yeah, I don't. So when did the helicopter actually come, like that someone could actually fly in? What year did I say?

I want to see if I'm close. You said 25 to 1940-ish. It's pretty broad because you said you were going by wars. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to say that it came in in 1925, but it wasn't used in the military until the 1940s. Oh, okay. Okay.

Well, Igor Sikorsky developed the first successful helicopter, and I believe it was in the late 1930s that he developed it. There had been attempts at it before, and there had been, there was a kind of an interim technology between the airplane and the helicopters called the auto gyro, which was kind of an airplane. It had a propeller, but it would have, it had a rotor on top. And you get those by the 1920s. You do get auto gyros by the 20s and 1930s, but Sikorsky comes up with the helicopter and I want to say 1939, something like that. The auto gyro is the name of my Greek vending machine.

Oh, it's delicious. You just press it in, bit of tzatziki, and then it just spits it out for you. That's my idea. Peyton, Jim Jeffery. A very dear friend who was obsessed with autogyros and found and restored one and flew it. And there really are these amazing, they kind of look like flying grasshoppers.

They're just kind of these amazing machines. So there were no helicopters in the Second World War? Because I was thinking. There were. Oh, there were? Yeah. They were used in the China-Burma-India theater for search and rescue. But they aren't used widespread in the military until Korea.

Yeah. The thing is when you get those little helicopters, like the ones they use on MASH, they're just sort of covered in the plastic and all that type of stuff. And I've been on like ones in Hawaii where you fly around and look at waterfalls and whatnot. They feel so flimsy because they're trying to keep it all light, right? The doors are wobbling and it's just like,

oh, if this thing crashes, no fucking chance. Yeah, well, I don't think you're going to crash in a helicopter ever. Yeah, but I'd rather do a bigger military one with steel all around me. I don't know. That would probably be worse. I don't know. I don't want to crash in anything, cars or anything on someone's couch.

Nothing. Yeah. Well, you did die in Malta in a crash. Yeah, yeah, I did, yeah. Oh, I didn't ask you this. Airplanes, what kind of materials are airplanes made from? Like, how do, like, what do they make them out of? Well, they make the black box out of this very strong material.

Why don't they make the whole plane out of the same material they make the black box out of? Yeah. Okay, Jerry Seinfeld. Okay. I was like, what's going on? That's a joke that I've heard a thousand, like literally I've heard 20 comics do that joke.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's steel and there'd be some graphite, there'd be some of that. Some graphite. There'd be some of that. There'd be that sealant stuff you put around sinks. Make sure it's like, you know, steel and cock. It's that stuff that you have in the squeezy tube. Yeah. Silicone where you go in between, you go, that's all sealed up there.

You won't have any problem there. There's a, there's a lot of rubber seals. There's a pressurized and stuff like that. Large thick doors. So steel. Yeah, steel. It would be metal. It's metal.

I've touched planes before. They're metal. Okay. Okay. Well, metal aircraft are largely made out of aluminum or aluminium. Yeah, thank you so much for that. Yeah, aluminum, you bloody American. There's a friend of mine called Ed Byrne who does a good joke about that,

about like he's Irish and he goes, aluminum, aluminum, all these Americans say aluminum. It's pronounced tin. Ed Byrne there, ladies and gentlemen. But there are airplanes now that have at least parts of it made from composite materials. So, but you can, you can also buy aircraft that are made from, you know, wood, wire and fabric. It depends on what kind of airplane you're talking about.

But my mother knitted me an airplane once when I was a kid. Really? Instead of fabric, you used to get into it like a snuggie and off you went. Well, it'd been muslin, cotton maybe. Because what was the original, the Wright Brothers, that looked like it was just, it wasn't leather, it looked like it was just thick sort of hempy type of material. What was the wings made out of? It was a very um high thread count um muslin uh cotton fabric right high thread yeah we can sell it put it on your bed cotton it's done good and bad things in history

that's how i would sell cotton it's not all it's not all bad um what uh what were airplanes used for before they became commercialized passenger carriers It's not all bad. What were airplanes used for before they became commercialized passenger carriers? Jim said wars, dogfights. Yeah, it was. But the very first use of aircraft was actually for entertainment. Once the Wrights and others got flying, the way you earn money in aviation was to go around and show off your airplanes.

They still do that now. They do air shows. Yeah, yeah. And about once every sort of 10 years, there's a big accident in an air show, and you go, oh, what are you doing there? But people are still amazed. You go to the baseball, and then they sing the national anthem for the World Series, and then fighter jets go over the the top and all Americans go, fucking America, like that.

Yeah. They still use for entertainment. Sorry for cutting you off. Well, that's mostly been since 9-11, which you also mentioned. But yeah, air shows are probably the first use of aviation. And it was to prove to people that airplanes actually existed, which a lot of people, you know, had to kind of see to believe. But then people found out it was really entertaining

to go and watch airplanes. And they tended to crash and kill a lot of people at that time. Oh, golly. And also it was used to prove that they were invented. So people must have thought it was a scam. They must have gone, oh, we're going to go see this thing. It'll be an optical illusion or something like that. And then, like, I imagine that some bloke had to get out there and go,

now I know most shows you watch, you're just looking straight ahead or down. This show, just tilt your head up. What are you talking about? There's nothing up there. There's never been anything up there to watch. Just look up, you dickhead. Ah, there it is. I came here last week.

I missed the whole thing. I was looking at the ground yeah and then lots of crashes though so that's entertaining yeah yeah um a lot of crashes and people did go to see that just like you know go to nascar to hope for a crash yeah yeah now now the the first pilots they must have been maniacs who did these things. The life expectancy of a pilot must have been extraordinarily low. How did they recruit the first people there? Because this is what I think. So it's a new invention.

It's like when social media came out and then all of a sudden all my representatives were like, we're going to hook you up with a social media expert. And these dickheads never knew anything. They're just like, oh, try to post pictures and do it at a certain time. And you'll have followers. And then you're like, what are you talking about? And they still, they were just people bluffing their way through an industry. Right. Um, so, so how did they train up the first pilots? Who was the person who sort of put that into flight? Pardon the pun. Well, the, the rights themselves open to flight school to train pilots

because you can't sell airplanes to people who don't know how to fly them right so they they trained up pilots um but there were plenty of risk takers out there mostly young men um who uh saw that this was a way to um you know get a lot of attention very quickly make a lot of attention very quickly, make a lot of money very quickly, live fast, die young, and leave a, well, kind of a crushed corpse. Leave a handsome burning corpse. It was a way to kind of prove your masculinity. But there were also women who wanted to become part of it as well. They didn't want airplanes to be gendered male.

This was a new and miraculous invention, and so they wanted to be a part of it as well. When you go into an airplane, everyone's done that thing more before 9-11, but I remember being a child and they're like, do you want to come up to the cockpit? And you used to come up, and the big magical thing is there's just so many dials and things and there's like literally 70 or 80 little circles with little swirly things in them

that you have to look at. Now, how many in the original planes that were being sold, were there many gauges or was it just like here's your stick, here's the sky, try not to hit the ground. That's pretty much it. Yeah. They would tie a string to the wing strut. And that would help them kind of keep their sense of the horizon.

The string was invented last year. There you go. the horizon. The string was invented last year. And then they had some other kind of primitive airspeed indicators. But yeah, those very first planes, well, the very first planes didn't even have cockpits in them. You just kind of sat on the wing and flew it. And you might have something to tell you whether you had gas in your engine or not. And then, as I said, they kind of MacGyvered, to use an Americanism, to what they needed in order to stay aloft and stay aloft safely.

We don't have a MacGyver in Australia, but we do have an Australian knockoff called Dingo Joe. And Dingo Joe is the same. Yeah, he comes up and he just goes, oh, Struth, your bike's broken. I'm going to fix it with a bit of chewy and this thing called string, which we got to Australia last year. Dingo Joe, check him out. Did you Google Dingo Joe? He's not a real thing for us.

No, I'm not Googling him. I was looking up something else. Hey, here's a question for you. Was the middle seat always the unwanted seat, or is that something that's happened in the last 40 years? Or like the very first time I traveled, they were like, oh, fuck me. I've got to share an armrest. Sorry about the swearing, by the way.

That's all right. I deal with college students every day. Good, good, good. I'm like a grown-up one of them. There we go. In the early aircraft, the early passenger aircraft, there wouldn't have been a middle seat. There would have been one or two seats on either side.

And if you had a window seat in some of the earliest aircraft, you could actually roll down the window. It was really handy. Because again, as you mentioned, they flow pretty low and it can be pretty bumpy. That would be a good place to throw up. If you'd like to ash your cigarette, just roll down the window. Have you ever. If you'd like to ash your cigarette, just roll down the window. Have you ever done that where you're trying to ash a cigarette out the window and then like your car and then ash just goes

around the vehicle? It would have been a bloody nightmare on a plane. Here's one because when they got rid of smoking on airplanes, because I remember because I was on a flight in, I want to say, 1992 where people were still smoking on planes and I flew to America and there was like half the plane was smoking and half wasn't and all that type of stuff. Now it's disgusting to smoke in a little tiny chamber when there's kids and pregnant people and all this type of stuff. But has there ever

been just a plane that's caught on fire from someone smoking? Because I feel like it's dangerous for people's health, but it wasn't dangerous for the plane, was it, in any way? Well, they could have caused fires, yeah. And because the little ashtrays, they were filled with other kind of trash. I mean, the same thing would happen in a room. So you did have in-flight emergencies because of smoking cigarettes. I do not know of any aircraft that have combusted because of a leftover cigarette.

But yeah, there were undoubtedly a number of incidents having to do with cigarettes causing some burning and things on that. No, it's been around 30 years since you could smoke on an airplane, give or take a few years in different countries. It's been about 30 years since you could smoke on an airplane. Now, I still get on planes where there's a bloody ashtray in the handle. That one when we went to Bucharest in Romania, that flight, remember? They still have ashtrays. And then I'm like, how old is this plane? Romania, that flight, remember?

They still have airspace. And then I'm like, how old is this plane? Now, it makes me think because sometimes, you know, you get on a plane and you think, well, this one's got a few old shutters and stuff like that. How long is the lifespan of a commercial plane? And should we be worried about how long? Oh, they're just so well maintained and all the parts are replaced. It's no problem.

Right. Well, some of them have flown for as long as 30 years, but they're very well maintained and they've gotten better at maintaining them. A lot of the issue is, you mentioned pressurization. uh, when you pressurize and depressurize aircraft, um, it could sometimes cause a metal fatigue in the, in the airplane. And in fact, there was a famous incident in Hawaii where the top of the airplane came spinning off because of metal fatigue. Yeah. Someone got sucked out of that too. People got sucked out of it. One woman was, uh, one of the stewardesses was sucked out of that. Um, and,

but they, they've come up now with, um, again, new technologies to, uh, inspect the metal so they can, uh, find even underlying causes of, of corrosion and cracks and so on. So they, they, they can, they can extend the life. They can reskin an aircraft. They can put new engines on it. I mean, it's not a commercial aircraft, but the B-52 bombers that the U S military is flying, the newest of them were built in the 19, early 1960s. And the military is going to continue to fly them at least until 2050.

So they- It's like refurbished models. As I was talking about the technology, we went to the moon in the 1960s. The thing was invented like 60 years earlier and we're off to the moon. It was pretty fast technology. Here's one that, look, I'm like, okay, so air stewardesses, right? I used to do a joke about this, right? But air stewardesses in the 60s and maybe even earlier, they had to be single. They had to be a single young lady because when you were sitting up in the plane,

you were greeted by a girl that plausibly you could start dating. That was the mental idea behind it. And she'd give you a hot towel. Let's get to the hot towels very quickly. That's a useless fucking thing. The hot towel. No one knows what they're doing with hot towels. I get them all the time. I've probably been given over 200 hot towels in me life

and I sort of dry me hands. I do whatever the bloke next to me is doing. If he's patting his forehead, the patting of the forehead with a hot towel, I'll have a pat of the forehead. And then some of the airlines have gone away from the hot towel. They're cold toweling. They give you a towel that's freezing. Just give me a regular towel or no towel.

Or no towel. I've never needed a towel in a boat. No one's ever gone, oh, you're on a boat. Here's a towel. What is the idea behind the hot towel? Is it useful? And then we will go to air stewardesses in a second. That's only in first class.

Yeah, you must fly first class a lot more than I do. I do very well. No, but I have got, okay. Everybody else in the back gets on the hot towel. Oh, now I sound like a rich prick. I don't know about me hot towels. Everybody listening is like, I wish we got a towel. Well, that's the thing is I flew economy so much

that when you get your first hot towel, you go, oh, this is living. And by your 30th hot towel, you're going, this isn't worth the money. You're trying to buy me off with hot towels. And is there a machine? Is it a microwave or is there a little oven that towel heats? What's going on? Usually little towel heaters, yeah. Yeah, they have it in a tray, a little plastic tray,

and they come in with the tongs and they hand it to you. I'm like, that just came out of a microwave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're hot, yeah. It's not a microwave. It's like a heating thing. It's the same thing that heats up your food. You probably have your ravioli.

That's a big one. I always get the pasta because I'm like, how much can you stuff this up? You just got to heat it up. I don't have anything with the chicken or anything like that. It's always not good. I'm glad we have Professor Baderica talking about hot towels. The air stewardesses, that's something that wouldn't happen in today's society. You couldn't go the women have to be really hot. They have to maintain their look to a certain

way. We're going to measure the score. You'd have uniform things for people. They have to be single because I'm sure that there was women who like they wanted to get married, but I'll lose my job. Was that a common thing? Yeah. Stewardesses actually began. The first women that were hired as stewardesses were actually nurses. Right. And the thought was that it would alleviate people's fear of flying.

But eventually, particularly after World War II, the primary audience for commercial air travel was a male business traveler the most comfortable and happy while on a flight would be an attractive young lady who would look after their every need while they were flying. Look, it's a terrible thing, but that's an idea that works. Because if one airline has the hot chicks and the other one has like, ah, here's Frank, you know what I mean? Like you'd pick the other airline. I get what's going on there, but yeah. They were open about it. It was blatant, you know.

But now, and I don't want to be ageist, but now it seems to be a job where the oldest people working in any industry seem to be as you. I had this one lady who I swear she must have been in her 70s. She was like, is there an age cut off now? Well, not in the U.S. You cannot force anybody to retire at any age as long as you can do the job. And the real purpose of having what are now called flight attendants

on the airplane is for your safety. You know, if your flight goes fine and everything's great, you hardly may not even notice that they're there. But if there is an emergency, if something happens, you want to know that there's somebody there who can do something about it, who can get you the help that you need, who can show you how to evacuate safely and so on. And that's the true role of the flight attendant.

Also, so like they were originally nurses who became air stewardesses. Man, that woman must have needed to not go to a sex shop to buy any clothes for their husband. She's already got the nurse outfit and the air stewardess. I was like, where is it going? It's like the husband would have been like, oh, put one of them on. It's great. Well, she couldn't have a husband because she was a stewardess.

She had to quit once she got married. Yeah. Well, as I said, I had this one lady. She was very, very old and she was perfectly nice and everything. But I don't, she was, she needed to retire because she came out and we were like, I'll have a vodka and orange. I'll have a Jack and Coke.

I'll have a Coca-Cola. I'll have a water. There was one of these a Jack and Coke. I'll have a Coca-Cola. I'll have a water. There was one of these ones who was like eight people sitting in business class. She came out and gave us all of our drinks and she was sort of falling over in the turbulence and put them all down. And we all felt for her so bad. We all got the wrong drinks. And then we waited until she left and we went, who's got the Jack and Coke?

And we all swapped all of our drinks and just let her sit down. I flew first class one time and I was like, I'm going to take advantage of this. I'm going to drink as much as I want to and all that stuff. And after two glasses of wine, I had to like beg the stewardess for more wine. Oh, no. She was like giving me the dirtiest look ever. I was like, can I get another glass? This idea that they'll keep giving you drinks.

And there used to be a thing like the Australian cricket team when they flew to England used to have a competition. Who could down the most beers on the flight to England? Now, the flight, that's a 24 hour trip, you know? So people were getting through 40 beers and stuff like that, trying to break each other's record. It was always a big thing. Now I remember flying, I think I was flying to England to Australia. And the first stop is from England, London to Hong Kong and then Hong Kong to Sydney. And so I'm flying along and I think I'd had too many drinks. And I found this out later that when you've had too many drinks because like you find the air steward or air attendant,

flight attendant who gives you the drinks and then they cut you off. You wait until they've gone up the other aisle and then you find them different like, hey, mate, can I have a thing, right? On this particular airplane, when you got a little bit too drunk, they started putting pins in the top of your seat. They secretly put a pin in the top of your seat like this bastard's drunk. Put a pin in it.

So I figured that out. So I'd be pulling pins out. I got cut off on a flight from Columbus, Ohio, back to LA. I was doing gigs out there, and I got bumped up to first class. And it was during the Super Bowl and the Denver Broncos were playing Seattle and the Denver Broncos

were my team and they were just getting blown out and I just kept drinking and drinking. I was like, ah, they suck. And then,

they wouldn't serve me anymore and so I got up to go to the bathroom and just to ask them, like, hey, why won't you serve me? And they're like, well, sir,

you've had too much to drink, clearly, whatever. And I said, and I was trying to tell her I was fine and I went to go lean on the wall but you know the walls like curved and i just kept leaning and i kept going and i was like almost like four feet to the ground they're just sideways and i was like ma'am i'm fine i'm going back to my seat

um okay so what helped change the public's perception of flying i don't know if we went over that was that it was the altitude. They said that. Right. Well, there were a lot of things that changed it. Airlines themselves began to advertise their safety, their experience, that you could, you know, you could save time and money flying. You could say time and money flying. The fact that the last 40 years or so have been the safest in the history of aviation, that there are fewer crashes, that's also helped change the perception. Back in the 1930s, women were used to sell aircraft to people because they figured if a woman could fly it, anybody could. So it can't be too hard or difficult and it's got to be safe. Airlines would, in their advertisements, they would deliberately show women and children and elderly because we obviously don't put people

like that in danger. So it must be safe. So there's a lot of things that we've done to change the perception of flying over time. I'll tell you the scariest flight I ever took. This is a very quick story, and then we'll get back to the questions. So I was flying into, I believe, Afghanistan right in the middle of the war, right in the meat of it when battles were happening, and I was flying in with all the soldiers, and it was like a big commercial plane where they had the three seats, the four seats, the three seats, like that wide, you know?

And what happens is it was a whole lot of soldiers who had just finished their boot camp, and they were flying into war for the whole time. So I had a whole lot of lads who were basically shitting themselves, like, oh, my God, we're going into a war zone now. And then as you got into, you were landing in Afghanistan, or it might have been in Iraq, but anyway, one of the two places. Anyway, we were landing.

They turned all the lights off in the plane and turned the headlights off, even like the bathroom little green light that's above. It was, you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. It was, and they shut off, it was pitch dark so that they couldn't see us land. And I could feel, and I got nervous and I'm just going out there to tell a few jokes, right? And I could feel the tension of everybody landing and they turned it off because we possibly could have been shot out of the sky. And it was terrifying. That's the whole story.

There's no funny ending. Anyway, we got shot and I parachuted down. And I said, what's the deal? Yeah, I had a nephew who flew C-17s into Afghanistan, into Iraq. Yeah, that's how we'd have to land them. Yeah, yeah. And like you could see up to the, I assume we didn't even have like those little flicking lights that you can see on the wings there was nothing

just this dark thing going down into the sky and it was pretty scary um yeah I asked well we had talked a little about pressurized cabins Jim said that pressurized cabins allowed them to go higher I asked him how high he goes he said 6,000 feet

is the current altitude in 600 miles per hour because 10,000 feet is the current altitude in 600 miles per hour. I got this way wrong. Because 10,000 feet was the early ones. Also, they say it on the plane. We're cruising at 30,000. Maybe I parachuted at 6,000. I don't know.

You still would have been higher. You've been higher if you parachuted. They fly anywhere between 30,000 and 40, feet oh yeah but you're right on the on the speed it's somewhere between 550 and 600 miles per hour and sometimes you get that tailwind and now they have the computer screens where you can see how fast you're going i always like the look on that part and then sometimes you have the tail and it's like 700 you're like yeah now everyone says it's winds because sometimes when you fly from uh let's say uh LA to Sydney or whatever like that, it's shorter on the way back, I believe. Like it's 13 hours there and then it's like 12 hours back.

And they say it's because of winds and all that sort of stuff. I have another theory and I might sound ridiculous saying that. But isn't it because the plane's flying against the curvature of the earth so we're joining up quicker like that? Is that stupid? Because the earth's spinning. The earth of the earth, so we're joining up quicker like that? Is that stupid? Because the earth's spinning. The earth's spinning this way, and we're flying that way, so it joins and it hits faster? Am I a moron?

No. Yeah, you're a moron. That's not how it works. You still have to cover the same distance. Why doesn't that happen, though? The earth's spinning like this, and we're in the same atmosphere, so it doesn't matter. Do you also think if an elevator's following,

you step off at the last second, you're not going to be affected? That's not even the same atmosphere, so it doesn't matter. Do you also think if an elevator's following and you step off at the last second, you're not going to be affected? That's not even the same thing at all. It's in the same realm of what you're saying. It's like when you're on a train, and if you're running on the train, people say you're not going faster, but you are going faster. You go on the train, plus you're running. What about if a fly is flying inside the train?

How fast is the fly going? It's faster depending on what direction it's going in. If it goes backwards, it's going slower. Ask Jim what a dc3 is three criminals living in washington changed that to wonder woman batman and superman yep um the dc3 was um probably the most important airframe in aviation history it was developed by the douglas corporation Corporation in the 1930s. And it was the first commercial airliner that could make money carrying just passengers. And very shortly after it was introduced, about 80% of all the world's airlines were flying DC-3s. Okay. And that was one of the questions.

So that was the first modern passenger airliner. No, no, it wasn't actually. Boeing had developed an aircraft before that called the Boeing 247. That is considered the first modern airliner. But all of Boeing's airplanes had to go to United. They were actually part of one big company at that time. And so American Airlines wanted a competitive aircraft for that. So it went to Douglas and Douglas first developed the DC-1, which was its prototype. Then the DC-2, which is famous because that, if you've ever heard of the good chip lollipop and Shirley Temple. Yeah. The good chip lollipop was a DC two. I thought it was just because she was holding a lollipop.

No, no. She was on the good chip lollipop, which was a DC two. And then they wanted a bigger aircraft because to fly all the way across the country, it still took quite a bit of time. So they developed what was known as the Douglas sleeper transport. So you could have berths on it like a sleeper train. And the daytime version of that became the DC-3. And again, that aircraft was soon used by about 80% of the airlines around the country. During World War II, it was the C-47. It was a transport aircraft.

It was also very, very important, kind of the tip of the spear on D-Day and whatnot. I have a couple of little questions that sort of interest me. So Boeing, I believe they still make them out of near Seattle, I believe or something like that because i've driven past one of the places yeah um now now it seems like on a boeing plane the engines are always made by rolls royce i always see that at the side of the plane that the jet jet engines are made out of rolls royce it seems like an odd mix because rolls royce i never think of fast cars. I think of luxury and comfort and all that type of stuff. Did Rolls-Royce always endeavor in this whole making these big jet engines?

Since World War II, actually, yeah. Well, they made engines and then as you transitioned into jets, they began to make jet engines. The reason you would see it on a Boeing airplane is Boeing and many other aircraft had the strategy of having parts from other parts of the world onto their airplane. So that those other parts of the world that made those parts would want to buy their whole airplanes. So, you know, if you want to sell aircraft to the British, put Rolls Royce engines on it. Now, am I correct in saying that BMW made planes for the Nazis?

Because I always believe that the logo for BMW is meant to be a propeller against the sky. Is that a true thing or is that an urban tale? I know they made airplanes for the Nazis during World War II, but I don't know about their logo. All right. So Charles Lindbergh flew from New York to where? What was the aircraft called? Jim said St. Louis, Spirit of St. Louis.

Is that all correct? Well, the aircraft was known as the Spirit of St. Louis because that's all of its backers, the people who gave him the money to build the aircraft, came from St. Louis. But he flew from New York to Paris. Paris. I call it Paris. I call it gay Paris. And then Amelia Earhart, where was,

what was she attempting to do and what happened to her? Jim said she. She was attempting around the world flight at the equator, close to the equator. And she disappears over the Pacific. Yeah. July. And had a man already accomplished this task or was she trying to do it for the first time out of anybody?

No, there have been other people who had flown around the world. She was one of the first to try to do it at the equator which would be the longest route around there also the hottest yeah probably and you'd have the longest flight over open water as well so they know like you know there's a lot of

I always heard things like Papua New Guinea or something like that some remote island somewhere because they're all the places that are on the equator. Is there a vague area where they lost signal, where they think the plane went down? Yeah. She was near Howland Island in the Pacific.

So they know vaguely where she went down, but exactly where, they don't know. They lost contact with her. And when did satellite get brought in where we could see airplanes in the sky? That feels like that must have come after the Wright brothers. They didn't have satellite. They weren't done. I want to do this thing.

Well, if you're talking about GPS, that's the 1990s. No, I'm talking about beep, beep. Oh, satellites. Yeah, yeah. Beep. Well, the first satellite was 1957, Sputnik or Sputnik. So that was the first orbiting satellite. Oh, you mean like radar.

You mean like radar, Jim. Yeah, radar. Yeah, radar, radar. The green circle where it goes around and has a dot. They do it for submarines as well, but like air traffic control. When do we bring in air traffic control? And like, okay, so that's

a better question. When do we bring in air traffic control? How long were we just flying around just wishing each other luck? Okay, well, for quite a while, actually. Radar was invented World War II is when radar was perfected. But up until that point, airplanes actually flew slow enough that the rule was see and avoid. avoid um and um really until you had a lot of people flying around uh under uh instrument rules where you would fly what they call fog flying back in the day you know where you couldn't see things

um most people flew with visual flight rules vfr um and and the rule was see and avoid, you know, keep a lookout and that's how you avoided other aircraft. Once you got to many people flying on instruments and so on, that's when radar came in because obviously you can't see, so you can't avoid them. So you would need to be in contact with someone who could see them via radar where the other aircraft were in your vicinity. And that's available by World War II. Up to that point, the air traffic controllers actually would be responsible for those aircraft

that were flying under instrument flight rules to keep them separated, to keep them away from each other, you know, telling them where to turn and so on. So, yeah. Sometimes you look out the window and I'd see a jet go underneath us. Oh, I love that. Yeah. But I also I'm like, I hope they saw that.

Like they're looking. I mean, yeah. Yeah. There are rules after a certain altitude. You in one direction, you fly at even altitudes, and if you're going in the other direction, you fly at odd altitudes. So if two airplanes are going like this, they are going to be at different altitudes.

Now, I actually mean this question. It's going to sound a little crude, but actually I'm wondering, is it called the cockpit because most pilots are male when it first came out? I don't know. Like I'm saying, it would be named after the male chicken. It would be like the bullpen or whatever. They'd call it the cockpit.

I wasn't talking about penises, Forrest. Get your mind out of the gutter. But, like, I think maybe it was called the cockpit because it was men to begin with. They'd go, get in the cockpit. Well, the first fully enclosed aircraft with cockpit were invented by the French. So I have no idea what they had in mind. It was le cockpit.

We are going to fly. People, hold your baguettes. We are hitting turbulence. All right. So this is part of the show we call Dinner Party Facts, where we ask our guest to give us an interesting fact, something obscure, interesting that our listeners and viewers can use to impress people in knowledge of this subject. OK, well, as I said the other day, because I'm from Dayton, Ohio, I will give you a Dayton one. You knew about the Wright brothers, Orville and Wilbur, right?

Well, actually, there were four Wright brothers, not just two. Liam and Mel. Orville and Wilbur had two older brothers, Roy Shillen and Lauren. And so when here in Dayton, if you're talking about the Wright brothers, you have to specify which ones. Because there were two other Wright brothers. Roy Shillen, the oldest, did not were two other Wright brothers. Roischlin, the oldest, did not get along with the father, the bishop, and he left Dayton, took his family out to Kansas.

But the other one, Lauren, stayed in the area. And anyone who is a descendant of the Wrights, the Wright family at this time, is a descendant of Loren Wright, the other Wright brother. Because he's the only one of the brothers who stayed in Dayton who married and had children. Oh, Oval and Wilbur didn't have kids. No. It must have been hard to be the other brothers too. Like, hey, we invented flight. What did you guys do? They invented

the Twizzler. Still a good invention. Ligberish. Lauren worked for a company that made toys. Oh, okay. Still not as good as flight. That's why the other guy was mad. His dad was mad at him.

What are you going to do with your life? Brothers are inventing flight. I want to rock. Well, if you guys listening, if everyone listening at home enjoyed this and you want to learn more, please buy one of Janet Bednarik's books, Airport Cities and the Jet Age, U.S. Airports Since 1945. What was the other one we mentioned? America's Airports, Airfield Development.

There you go, yeah. And she's got a lot of other books too. If you just Google her, her last name is spelled B-E-D-N-A-R-E-K. Thank you, Professor Janet Bednarik for being here. And Jim, do you want to? Janet, I want to just say personally what a delight it was to have you on the show.

Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Well, thanks for inviting me. This what a delight it was to have you on the show. Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Well, thanks for inviting me. This was a lot of fun. No worries. Anytime. You specialize in any other subjects we can have you back on?

Airports. Airports. Airports. Airports, yeah. Quickly. If you want to talk about airports, sure. We might do that. I think so. The one in Denver.

It's got an underground bunker where all the politicians are going to go after the apocalypse. The secret world government, yeah right good to know good teaser it's a teaser for next time yeah we would love to have you back on talk about airports that's a whole thing i mean because you know jim you travel so much and uh ladies and gentlemen if you're ever at a party someone comes up to you and goes the plane was invented in 1904 i don't know about that. Good night, Australia.