I Don't Know About That - BDSM

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

In this episode, the team discusses BDSM with musician, artist, and Berlin-based professional dominatrix, Dasa Hink. Follow Dasa on Instagram @Dasa_Hink or go to DasaHink.com to learn more! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Okay. Black shoes. Pizza socks. Rolled up jeans. Will this keep you a virgin? You might find out. And I don't know about that with Jim Jefferies. And an In-N-Out t-shirt.

That's quite the outfit you got going. I didn't notice it. Nice, Jack. Pizza socks, black Converse. They're dope. That's okay. The rolled up jeans are dope. Like I always say, Jack puts pride into his outfits.

But he's also wearing an In-N-Out burger top, which I'm a big fan of whilst not in California. If I'm in New York or something, I'll rock an In-N-Out T-shirt all the time or in Australia. Why, just to rub it on people's face? Oh, man, I wish I could get one of those. I'll just go get or something. I'll rock it in and out t-shirt all the time. We're in Australia. Why? Just to rub it on people's face? Oh, man. I wish I could get one of those. I'll just go get one then.

Too easy. You got a travel shirt. They got new shirts. Do they? What is that? That doesn't even make sense. You buy your clothes here in LA and you wear them. You better not to rub it in the face of the New Yorkers and their stupid burgers.

New York burgers suck. Oh, it makes me so so angry I had the what about burger argument again with Justin what a burger that's Texas I will yeah but they have both

what a burger we did this Phoenix have what a burger and In-N-Out next to each other and it's just In-N-Out's lined up around the fucking block

Texas too they're like what a burger what a burger is dog shit crap what a burger is lower than

Carl's Jr. I don't mind a Carl's Jr. for a dirty bit of hamburger But Whataburger is fucking crap I don't know if I'd ever had it until we did that trip through Texas and we were dressing

There was that road man, she's in the back going, I think it's better Well yeah, Justin too was like, oh it's heaven I'm like, nah, you guys are just saying that, it's not as good When I went there and I told my texas friends i went to what a burger i think it's horrible to go oh well what'd you get i got i got a burger oh no you gotta get the chicken no i i got the what what i've done what i did is i got the chicken sandwich and the burger so i could go okay what's going on here it's fucking dog shit it's one of those burgers just with a bit of ketchup and the fucking lettuce is all shredded up into fucking mulch

and it's fucking crap. The fact that they even think right now, right now, if you're listening to this and you're a Whataburger fan, unsubscribe. We don't need you. We don't want you. We don't want your kind. What if a lot of people unsubscribe?

But if you're an in and out person, tell a friend. Tell a friend that we're an ally. Yeah, that's a good time to remind everybody to follow our Instagram page, IDCat. What is the handle? IDCat podcast. And also, so anybody who had subscribed

to Patreon, you know that we put the subscription on hold while we were trying to figure out our schedule and doing more videos. So starting in January, we're going to be doing an episode a week. One episode a week. One episode a week. Straight after this episode, there'll be an extra episode that you can get on Patreon. You'll still have the normal episode that you like, but maybe we'll do a bit more of this shooting the shit stuff. And we'll do a bit of a review of the episode that we probably just did. And we'll have the comedian guests on and whatnot.

Jack will have segments. Jack will have segments. Jack will have segments. Pizza sucks. Pizza sucks. We'll do eating competitions. We should do mushrooms on one of them. How many double doubles do you think you can eat? I remember we talked about doing this.

Yeah, I want to do this. I think I could do 10. 10 double doubles? What? I could do one. In the space of an hour and a half? An hour and a half. All right.

Someone buys 20 double doubles. I get the whole grill down. That'll be our first Patreon. Okay. Jack just sits in the corner and eats double doubles by the rest of us. I can't talk until I'm done. New Year's resolution.

Eat as many. Are there any shows you want to promote, Jim? I think you have. I see what you have coming up. Phoenix? Phoenix is a celebrity theater where only celebrities can perform. None of those regular folk are allowed up there. It's in the round.

I'll be spitting like a top. And then you have back-to-back shows the 18th and 19th of December in San Francisco. That's a regular stage. I'll be just mostly facing forward. You can spin a few times. In San Francisco, is it a Saturday and a Sunday? It is 18th and 19th.

I don't know what that is. I believe Saturday, Sunday. Well, the 18th is already sold out. It sold out really, really quickly. So we added on this Sunday show and there's still tickets available to the Sunday show. That's at the Warfields.

The Warfields. That'll be my last gig before Christmas. So I'll be full of Christmas cheer. And New Year's. You got a little layoff there until January. I'll be in Philadelphia on January 20th. It's far away, but just buy tickets. It's on the website

now. Please buy tickets. I'll see you in San Francisco. I hear there's some exotic people out there. We're going to have fun. Alright. What's going on, Jack? We're going to play Now I Know About That Maybe. We have a new song. Ooh. Now I know about that Maybe. We have a new song. Ooh. Hmm.

Now I know about that maybe My memory drives me crazy Archaeopteryx, how do you save this? I can't get that dumb pat. Maybe I got a comeback. Read the questions out, Jack. So here we go from another show. Now I know

about that. Right. That was written by Janice who wrote it on her wall smeared in shit we don't get a lot of entries by women for songs

no bell gold bell gold I liked it I just couldn't hear the words some of the times because the music

was loud I heard Archaeopteryx in there I did hear Archaeopteryx I liked it it was alright it was a bit of a it'll grow on you

thanks bell thank you it'll grow on you yeah it's one of these ones you go that song's stupid da da da da da da da and then like next week It'll grow on you. Thanks, Mel. Thank you. It'll grow on you. Yeah. It's one of these ones. You go, that song's stupid.

And then like next week, next year, you're going through a Halloween maze and it's playing. That's some Halloweeny type music. If ever I fucking heard it. Um, so I'm going to be quizzing you on our last episode. The last episode we did, gonna see how much jim knows about it let's retain the information oh god this is about ivf and the first question is i know everything about ivf what does ivf stand for

i can't even remember my fake hands i think i think i was saying ivF was the porn star's name. I was saying IVF. Oh, yeah, IVF. What's the real answer? In vitro. Good. Fertilization. Yeah. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. You're a winner.

Oh, that's my telecommunications. I thought that we had new sound effects. That's his song playing again. That's his ringtone already. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's his ringtone already. Now, do you remember what the success rate for IVF is? It varies on your age. So I can give you the age and you can give me the percentage.

Under 35. 50%. Very close, 55. And then 35 to 38? 25%. 40%. Why'd you point at him like he was right? Because he's wrong. He needs to know.

Yeah. You're fired. And then 39 to 40. 25%. 30%. Last section, over 42. No chance. Cobwebs. 25% 30% last section over 42 no chance

cobwebs pretty much 1% 1% pretty sad sad it's only only 1%

success rate if you're over 42 that's pretty sad yeah for your wallet yeah that's true yeah maybe

yeah how many eggs is a woman born with approximately? Oh, thousands. Six, 6,000. 400,000. Okay. Okay, well.

People will take. Jack, you're supposed to play. 400,000. Yeah, they're going to count eggs. And then what is the average sperm count? 13 million. Something per milliliter, right? Close. Yeah. 15 count? 13 million. Something per milliliter, right? Close.

15 million. 15 million. Points go to Kelly. Yeah, but I had a wink this morning. 15 million per milliliter? No, she said it wasn't per milliliter. And how many are born with? How many sperms?

I don't know that. I don't think that's a thing. Billion. What do you mean it's not? You don't know how to burn with sperm? They keep getting made. No, you don't born with sperm. Your baby's nuts are filled with sperm. That keep getting made. You don't boil with sperm.

Baby's nuts are filled with sperm. That's why they cry so much. They tested them. Now I'm going to quiz you on how many different euphemisms for sperm you used. Oh, in the episode? I noted four. I'll go with four. No, no, there's four words.

Which ones do you say? Oh, I used cum. Good. Baby better. Yes. Baby better. You're missing a famous one. Semen or sperm?

That's the medical term. Semen or sperm. Spunk. No spunk. Ejaculate. Jizz. Jizz. You got one more.

Spooge. Jizz is a famous one? Yeah, that's a pretty famous one. You'd recognize Jizz walking down the street? Holy shit, it's Jizz. Jizz Jeffries. T-shirts. Last one. Don't know. Nut juice. Oh yeah, nut juice.

Nut juice. Nut juice. They call it the nut juice, the nut bush. I didn't know the rest of the truth. The nut juice is a little place where. Last question. Tin roof. Splodge down.

Just proud. What is the name of the fossil that's the link between dinosaurs and birds? It was in the song. It wasn't in the IVF thing, was it? It was in the song, though. Arnie, stop licking your asshole. I don't know. Hey.

It starts with an A. It was in the song. It was in the song by, what's her name? It's the long word. Ark. Archaeologist. No. Archaeologist.

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Archaeopter. Archaeopter. Archaeopter. Archaeopter. Archaeopter. Archaeopter. Archaeopter All right, please welcome our guest today, Dassa Hink. G'day, Dassa. Now it's time to play. Yes, no.

Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Judging a book by its cover. You have to guess what Dassa's here to talk about. Okay, Dassa, are you sitting at home? No. Are you at work?

Indeed. Is it a brothel? You could say that, yeah. Okay, well then do I get- A specific kind of brothel. Oh, okay. I just know the furnishings in those places. As soon as it came in, I went, I know that place.

Okay, so a specific type of brothel. So are you a dominatrix indeed yes there we go no problem wow the fastest you ever could figure out what somebody is she's a fan of the show i know it's it's very tough for me to ask someone are you in a brothel and then they'll go like this no this is my living room that's why i knew you weren't at home, but I had to play the fucking game, didn't I? We are going to be talking about BDSM today. All right. I don't know as much about that.

I thought it was just going to be about prostitution. Yeah. He mentioned that he might be able to teach you a few things. Yeah. I thought I'm knowledgeable. I've seen some documentaries. A lot of documentaries. Let me introduce Dasa Henk is a musician, artist,

and most importantly for today's episode, a professional dominatrix living and working in Berlin, Germany. After many years working in low-paying service jobs, living the cliche poor artist life, she accidentally discovered her talent and passion for professional BDSM. For the past nine years, Dasa has offered BDSM tours For the past nine years, DASA has offered BDSM tours in the legendary Studio Lux in Berlin. Inspired by her work in BDSM,

DASA writes and performs songs about the many prejudices and injustices sex workers face every day. You can see some of her work on her Instagram at DASA underscore Hink, her YouTube channel, which is DASAHINK, D-A-S-A-H-I-N-K,

and also her website, DasaHank.com. Well, I've got to start off by saying that I'm a big supporter of the sex worker industry. I do believe that they should be proper taxpaying, proper legalized things like they are in Australia. I think it's safer. I think it's better for society. George Carling said, why should people have to pay for things that people are giving away for free? So, yeah, I'm a big supporter.

Now, also, with the whole dominatrix thing and all that type of stuff, I will say this as well. Not my bag in case anyone's wondering. I like to be the dominant one in bed. I don't like someone calling me maggot and whipping me. I've given it a go. I've been married for a while now. Well, Dasha also mentioned that she really liked the piece that you did on the Jim Jefferies show about, was it Sesta and Foster? Yeah. He did two amazing pieces. One about Sesta

Foster, which I so appreciate. And yeah, I wanted to thank you for that. That piece and the one about the brothel in Nevada was just, you did such a great job. And actually this is why I became a fan. Oh, thank you. Thank you. None of your people have given me a discount. We don't like to give discounts. I'm talking about Germans.

And Tasa, it says in your bio that I read, you accidentally discovered your talent and passion for BDSM. How do you accidentally discover that? So I was always submissive, you know, discovered king for myself at a young age, but I never tried to be dominant. And I was a poor artist, as my bio says. Then I came across an ad in the paper, a dominatrix studio looking for new ladies,

fair pay, no drugs, no sex. I said, okay, that sounds interesting. I have to at least try it. I'm sure it pays better than cleaning. And I went there and the lady that, you know, the owner of the studio told me, well, I told her, I can't do this because I'm submissive. There's no way I could be dominant. And she said, well, if you're submissive, then you can be a really good dominant because you are both parts, right? When you fantasizing and you're thinking about ideas, then you are actually both parts. And it's true. I really understand what the submissive wants,

not all of it because I don't have all the fetishes and kinks and everything, but I, from being understanding what they want, I can be very empathetic to them and it turned out. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. I loved it. Cool. Cool.

I don't know what to say. It's not for everyone. Yeah. Nice. Okay. Tassa, you know how the show works. I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about bdsm

i'll answer your first one i don't know what that stands for okay and then uh at the end of that you're gonna grade him zero through 10 10 being the best on on accuracy and calisthenics grade on my confidence on my grade on my etc we'll put all the scores together uh zero through 10 bts 11 through 20 bb bw 21 through 30 through 30, BYOB. All right. I'll give the question a go. Give me a go. Yeah. What does BDSM, what does it stand for?

Bondage, domination, submissive motherfucker. Ooh. And what about B and D? B and D. Bondage and domination. S and M. Uh, Spencer's and Mark's. D and S.

Uh, I don't know, man. Okay. Here's one you should get. Here's one you should get. Here's one you should get. What does top and bottom mean? Okay. Well, we all know this. Friends who are both.

A top in the homosexual community is a person who puts his penis into a person's anus on top of them, if you will. A bottom is someone who has things put in their bottoms. That's what is the person. And a BDSM. It's the taker and a giver. Okay. What is a quote scene and what is a quote negotiation? Oh, golly.

This isn't my world. I would imagine a scene is when you go to a go, I would like to play a school boy that's being berated by a head mistress and you're going to whip me and call me nothing and that type of stuff. That's a end scene. What was the other one? Negotiation. Negotiation is when you go,

and I'll give you 500 bucks. Here's one you should get. What is a safe word? Oh, a safe word. I have, my wife has one. What are you guys doing? We do enough that involves a safe word you know a little bit

about the world but my my mother-in-law listens so hi what's your safe word I don't have a safe word and I'm not going to give you my wife's one either

but well you're afraid I might come to the house and just start shouting yeah yeah my wife gives it to me when I just come up and slap her on the ass

and she goes no sometimes I give her a Chinese burn do you call that still we have a different name. We call them Indian sunburns. Indian sunburns.

That's just as racist. It's not better. Yeah, I wouldn't say that to my wife. I'm giving you an Indian sunburn. Chinese burn will stick to it. So safe word is a word you use. You use because if you're having sex that is of the more dangerous kind or involves inflicting any level of pain or discomfort on a person,

you want to stay in the moment. So if the person's going, no, no, they, they, I don't even know how to say, if they have a rape fantasy or something like that. And then they're going, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. The only way you will stop is if they say their actual safe word, which means the game's over. We're not, we're not doing this. So like something unrelated.

Something unrelated. You don't want your safe word to be stop. No. That feels good. That feels good. I'm coming. These are all bad safe words. What is a munch?

That's when you go down on a girl with hairy bush. What is sounding? That's when you go down on a girl with Harry Bush What is sounding? That's when you go down on a girl with a real big vagina And it echoes back at you I found out what that is yesterday And it's not that Sounds horrible What is bastinado?

Oh, that's when Luis gets beaten up. A lot of racism. Bastonado. It's a sexy Ford. That sounds nice. I'll give you one. Ford bastonado. Kind of sounds like how Luis would.

You're all man when you drive that. It sounds like how Luis would say he's busting a nut. Soy bustinado. Yeah, yeah. And when he's coming, he goes, bustinado. I bustinado. That was Luis, everybody. Just so you don't think I was jacked.

When you said, I bustinado, it sounds like when you bust the nut, it just sort of dribbled out of your cock. You got no distance on that whatsoever. Uh-oh, I bustin nut, it sounds like when you bust the nut, it just sort of dribbled out of your cup. You got no distance on that whatsoever. Uh-oh, I bust a nut. Someone get a napkin. I got to stop doing the voice. There's a lot of questions here, but I'm going to skip ahead.

We'll get to all of them, but there's a lot. I know you're not. Well, how about this? When is pain not pain? When is pain not pain? There's a fine line between pleasure and pain you've done it once and you'll do it again um there's a fine line between pleasure and pain uh pain is not pain when you've got an erection that means you're enjoying it on some level when the when the dick falls and the pain keeps going that's just regular pain

pain's what you feel in the drive home a lot of answers but those are all right i feel i feel like um what are some basics of safe snm emotionally and physically the basics of doing it safely yeah it's a couple yeah like i get I don't know the answer to this, but I'm assuming there's some like basic ground rules or something. You know, don't bring up me kids. There's things like that. Don't bring up any of my family members or anything like that. Please don't mention I'm poor if you're poor.

You want to keep that. You want to live in a fantasy world. Yep. I think don't leave. Maybe because I think they do leave marks. I think, you know, you could ask for that. You could ask to be whipped with marks, without marks. I don't know.

I don't know what the rules of it. Like you're saying like the four rules of robotics or something. You don't need to know the answer. I'm kind of proud that I don't. What is impact play? Impact play. Next question. No, no, no.

Impact play would be something that involves. Like when Justin Turner makes a really good play at third base. That was an impact play. It's when it involves. Impacted the score. So you can have something where someone's just saying demeaning things and walking around and saying, yes, mistress, no mistress, I'm a bad boy, whatever. And then impact is when you physically impact the person.

Should I ask this question earlier? Actually, what is a dominatrix? A dominatrix is a person who dominates the person who is paid to be dominated. They'll, I assume there's probably men to do as well, but mostly it's women that i sort of see and it involves a whip and there's a lot of high heels involved always black leather they never seem to branch out with their colors the documentary you never see a dominatrix wearing paisley um here i'm gonna ask this question i'll skip it what is findom uh findom yeah findom findom f-i-n-d-o-n this is what i would be interested in

oh would you yeah oh with volleyball oh if kelly be interested in it um it's it's getting a man to put his scrotum over your chin so it looks like you have a funny beard no i do that all the time oh you're interested in it you see yeah i guess no guess that's it. No, it's where a guy sits on your head so his cock sits upright so it looks like you're a shark. Okay. Oh, an actual fin. Okay. What is aftercare?

I'll get to all these questions. I imagine a few Band-Aids and a bit of aloe vera. Okay. Is a fetish different than a kink? I believe so. I believe a kink might be a thing where you like a person to say a certain thing. A fetish is more encompassing of who you want to be.

So a fetish would be like you want to be covered in latex from top to bottom. I want to be in a diaper and treated like I'm a baby. Something like that is a fetish. A kink is like, ooh, I like it when girls lift their leg in a certain way wearing a high heel. Okay. Here's kind of an opinion question.

I don't know. Why is whipping fun? Well, it stops your kids from being loudmouthed, doesn't it? Okay. No, whipping is fun. I don't know. You know, what i what historically we went to go back to the yeah okay let's not go there let me ask you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna ask about two or three more questions and i'll ask you all these within the rest of the conversation indiana jones

there's your answer okay oh that is um uh what is it about breath control what what like what talk about breath control and also is it safe to make someone pass out? I believe it can be done. I've had someone choke me out where you're full of sleep and I didn't want them to, but they're like, I'll show you, I'll show you. No, I just let them. I don't believe it is.

Breath control is, okay, so autoeroticism with putting a belt around your neck as you come. If you take your breath away, allegedly the orgasm is more intense. And it's one of those things that I've heard about for years, long before even Michael Hutchins I heard about this. And I'm like, why did you tell me that? Because every now and again when I'm in a hotel room and I look at my belt, I go, but I never have.

I hopefully never will. Okay. A couple more questions. Is is snm degrading or abusive uh see that's a trick question we're going to say no because it's consensual okay um and is snm criminal unnatural immoral unethical or unhealthy i don't believe it is any of those things i believe if that's a person what they enjoy and, and they're doing it in a controlled environment and they're actually paying for a service from someone or they're getting it done by a partner of theirs

where they're consenting adults, I don't believe that anyone else is being hurt and there are a couple of adults that are choosing to do their own activity. Okay. And what is a play party and what is the etiquette for attendees of a play party? You've got to put your phones in a bowl.

In a bowl? Yeah, away from everyone. Don't use your bloody phones. And then a play party is like everyone has a go, everyone's signs on or something, and you're not allowed, you've got your safe words and off you go. There'd probably be a mask involved. Should wear masks.

Okay. All right. We'll talk with Dawson now. How about that? All right. Okay. Dawson, how did Jim do? Zero through 10, 10 being the best on his knowledge of BDSM.

Surprisingly terrible. Why? You thought he was going to do really well? I would give him a two. I thought it would do really well. Yeah. I would give him a two and it's just because I like you, Jim. It's not my bag, man.

It's not my thing. This might be your lowest score ever. Yeah, yeah, but it's not my world. I don't know anything about it. You know what I'm into? Regular good old sex. Meat and potatoes? I'm a bore. He likes to eat meat and potatoes while having sex. I like to have fairly

active sort of sex, but I don't want to be hit or whipped or anything like that. Leave me alone. Well, maybe you will after you learn about it. No, it's just not my thing. I've had people who thought they should give that a go, and I'm like, no, no, no, stop that, please. What do you give him on confidence, Kelly?

I'll give him a three on confidence. We're going to work towards something maybe he'll be confident enough to do BDSM tonight have you ever done BDSM you feel like the type I mean not like to an extreme extent but I've been like tied up and stuff like that

not everything in BDSM I've done the handcuffs and a blindfold yeah that's all part of BDSM is extreme. I've done the handcuffs and a blindfold and a bit of that. Yeah, that's all part of BDSM. Okay. For Etcetera, you get a zero, ETS. I'm a big fan of the gag ball.

You use the gag ball or a collar or something. I'm a big fan of those. Are you? Yeah. Oh, so then you're into it. But nothing where you get whipped or anything like that. Nothing that leaves marks. Well, you know, not everybody is into everything.

So you could, I mean, I have clients that come just for anal. And hint, hint, Jim, you should definitely try it. April 18th, there you go. If you saw my anus. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's what the inside of it looks like. Just went black. There we go.

You're back. Okay. I think it turns off after a while. Okay. So, Tasa, what does BDSM stand for? So, bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, and cytomasochism. Yeah, so it's like BD and then it's DS and then SM. So it's actually combined.

See, I didn't know that either. That's why I asked you the separate ones. What's B and D and what's S and M and what's ID? I just feel like we have to put labels on everything. You like what you like. You know what I mean? As long as you're not doing anything illegal, you like what you like. Have a go.

Yeah, well, how are you going to explain to someone what you like? Or you don't go, I'm BDS. I'm like, call me maggot and put cigarettes out of my dick. What would that fall under? I don't know. So that also explains what B and D, S and M. I mean, D and S and S and M is. And then top and bottom,

Jim just gave us the description, uh, top puts his penis into the anus bottom of someone who has something put in their bottom, take or give her. Yeah, that was not too far away. I mean,

I guess like in, again, in BDSM, not, not everybody that comes to me necessarily likes, uh, to be submissive. Uh,

some people like to play an eye level, so they just want to be passive. You know, I mean, men often have to, you know, do all the fucking and do all the, you know, court courting and do all everything basically in bed a lot of times, unfortunately, especially, you know, if they're in this old relationships for very, very many years. So they come to me so that I'm the active part and they can be the passive part. Yeah, that makes sense. What is a scene and what is a negotiation? Jim said scene is like when you want to be a schoolboy and negotiate.

I'll give you like 500 bucks. Well, my fee is never up for negotiation that's the first thing it's a fixed fee and they better pay it yeah but i might want to pay you extra that's how you negotiate i'll give you more i never said i was a tough negotiator so negotiation is before you start playing, you sit down and you talk about what you want to play. The dominant would say, okay, I'm interested in doing this and this and this, you know,

more in a private setting. Of course, I'm professional. There are things that I don't do. I don't offer intercourse. I don't offer oral. Some other dominatrixes do offer that. So I bring my limits, my hard limits. What do I, what am I willing to offer and what not? And the submissive comes with their desires, their fantasies. What do they want to explore? And we decide on how long we're going to play.

And of course, on hard limits, which is the places that they definitely, what they definitely don't want to do. And also sometimes on soft limits. And actually, when you go to a Domnatrix and you mention a few soft limits, you are quite sure that she is going to try some of those. Because soft limits is those things that you are maybe afraid of you want to try but you're not sure and yeah yeah when you go to the doctors you fill out all that paperwork and so is that do you have to do something similar there you're like diabetes

this and that and then all the negotiations like i have blood pressure i always think when you see like there's like a bloke like in a movie or something and he wants to be wrapped in plastic with just his mouth so he goes how does he find that out? Is he wrapping a sandwich and he didn't quite pull it off or like what's the impetus for these things? How do they know? People discover their kinks and fetishes quite young often around the age of 12, 13. Of course, some people also later in life, but usually it's either they played a game and somebody tied them up for the, I have a client that saw somebody wearing like a latex cap for swimming. And I don't know if it's because they start to be aroused anyway, like their sexuality is developing anyway at this stage.

And then something happened and it gets linked to this certain, like being tied up or latex. Or it gets linked to this part of the brain and sexuality gets linked to a certain, like being tied up or latex, or it gets linked to this part of the brain. Sexuality gets linked to a certain object. Or maybe they were always fascinated by this and they just discovered it at this young age. Have they found a difference now that porn is so readily available? So when I was young, it was very hard to get porn, looking at underwear catalogs and stuff like that.

So I'm still really into lingerie, a woman wearing lingerie, because I used to wank off to lingerie catalogues. That's all I could find, right? And I've got a friend who he likes girls to wear sneakers because there was a porno he watched and the girl was wearing some sneakers, and so he finds that very sexy, not high heels, you know. And so I get what you're saying from a young young age but now that everyone's just watching porn all the time are they finding and you might not know this but are they finding that the kinks are like like

fucking scatter bombs where everyone's got like a thousand of the things or are they finding that that this sort of i won't say depravity this um uh this well i don't know the word but but but this sort of uh straight arrow this is what I'm into is going away or is it getting more intense? Does that make sense? No. Well, I can only tell you from my experience with clients, it's so diverse. I mean, you have, and I have clients that are very old and clients that are very young, and it's not that different, honestly. I mean, some people have one thing that they like and they stick to it

and that's what they like their whole life. And some people, they keep changing. They keep trying things out. Well, there's things like I got a new kink in porn. There's this thing that I particularly like and it's only come up in the last six months, and now it's me bag. And it's like, where did that come from?

What is it? I'm not telling you. I thought we were sharing. I want to be a game show host, man. I don't know if this was your question, but I assume the variety of porn opens people's eyes to things that they may be interested in exploring. Is that what you were talking about? Yeah. So it's like,

or has it made us all numb where we don't have one particular thing, but we don't know. We don't know. Maybe, maybe time will tell. What's the weirdest thing that you'll have to say? What's the weirdest one? What's the one where you go, what the fuck is this cut up to? Oh gosh. I had so many weird weird uh weird stuff um i i think one of the most i mean one of the most weirdest maybe is a person that likes to uh pee in public oh i like doing that it's very free jim's very into bdsl I'm a big 10th hole guy. When I'm talking about that's a golf, right?

I like that because I could have had a piss at the ninth, but I still like to do it out in the woods. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me just specify. So basically sitting in a restaurant, in a very fancy restaurant, eating very delicious food and peeing and pooing his pants in the restaurant not wearing a pipe. And then

going walking on the street with his pants all wet and continuing to pee the whole day and wet his pants. He stays in those pee pants all day? He's shitting them, Kelly.

And the poop pants? Yeah, no, the poop pants, it's, you know, it's... He poop his pants. I hope he's not hairy. I got a friend who, a guy I know who's a scat guy, right?

He likes to have the shit. I didn't ask you that question because I figured you'd know, but a scat was one of them. Yeah, yeah, a scat, he likes to have shit and he's thinking, and I'm always looking at him like What do you mean? He likes to be shit on? Is that what Scott is?

I don't know. Yeah, he likes to be shit on. Yeah, and I'm just like I see that too. I don't get it, but people do like it. People like it, I guess. My ex had a pee thing and I was not into that and then the girl. Oh, I've pissed on people. Well, the girl he dated after me, he's like yeah, she lets me pee in her

mouth and I'm like, I hope you two are happy together. No, thanks. Have you seen the guy in the full leather suit just swimming in a septic tank? That video is wild. There used to be a guy in Sydney called the Trough Junkie, I think. And he used to just fucking, he used to roll around in the urine. They had this thing called the oddball after the gay Mardi Gras. There was a big party at the end of the street in a sort

of a carnival-y type of area, and there was thousands of people would rock in there. And then this guy would just lay in the urinal trough and roll around, and he was happy as a pig in shit. Literally. Oh, my God a pig in shit. Literally. Yeah. Oh, my God. And he was rolling.

And randoms, you go up and, all right, I guess I'll piss on you, man. Wow. Yeah. Well, maybe you should ask that. What is the difference between a fetish and a kink? That's a little further down, but maybe we can establish that. Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, you know, the boundaries are kind of blurry

in all of those, some of those things, but, um, yeah, fetish is mostly somebody that is, um, yeah, gets very aroused by a body part or a material. So you have leather, um, latex, you know, the smell, the touch of it is what is really arousing and a kink is you know it's more broad so i'm sorry i'm the wrong way around today um i i don't see where you're answering i think you did yeah why do all brothels i think i know the answer but why do they always look like your grandmother's furnished why is there always antique furniture now i've got theories i'm looking at the furniture behind you everything's easily wiped down that's your first thing you can't have a lovely white sofa that's with cotton it's got to be something with a bit of sheen on it and you can't fucking have a rug in there that's over all day the scat will fuck that up and i'm sure you

recognize the mandatory uh kitchen wipes uh you know yeah yeah and yeah. For cleaning all the... And the clock. That's always a nice touch. Oh, mandatory part of any browser. Absolutely. Well, we're hoping later she'll take us on a little tour because she's at her studio right now where there are

multiple different types of rooms there. Ooh. This one just has the best Wi-Fi. Yeah, we were looking at them yesterday. Pretty interesting stuff.

You said a kink is a person does a certain thing and a fetish is more of a total thing. So I don't know. It's kind's kind of vague yeah i was in the ballpark yeah but in materials there was a a woman that i used to sleep with and she was really into metal she liked the touch of metal and at one point she asked if i would take a gun and put it in her vagina that was fun did you do it i did not do that i don even like guns. I didn't know you owned a gun. I didn't. She just wanted me to get a gun

somehow and do it. What if a toy gun worked? Oh, the edge play. Edge play? Oh, is that what it's called with metal? Yeah, like playing with, no, specifically with a gun, like playing with really like, you know, bringing somebody really to fear and to being at the edge of their life. Yeah.

Even if it was like a gun that was like a toy, maybe a toy, but still, you know, look, what happened with a toy gun with Alec Baldwin? I guess that was a real one. Okay. I don't think there was sex involved, bro. I know, but I'm just saying guns are dangerous. I don't want

to be like that. That's the first time I ever called you bro. Bro, too far. What is a munch, Jim says, when you go down and grow with a hairy bush? I don't think that's right. It might also be that. I don't know. That's why you call it munch-housings, because the kids get sick of it.

A munch is a gathering of kinky people uh that is not a play party so uh that's where they just go to olive garden coffee but in normal clothes civilian clothes meeting just yeah you sit there you see there you go i'll have the uh bagel with the salmon and the cream cheese anyway so i shut on table with her while the guy sat underneath it. Here's a fun one. What is a sounding? That's when you go down to a girl with a big vagina and it echoes back to you. Back to you, back to you, back to you.

What is sounding? Sounding. Tim would love this one. Tim would love this one. It's when you take a little rod, metal or plastic or a vibrator and you insert it, penetrate the urethra. Yeah, that's not clever. Into a man, right? Yeah.

Actually, you could do it to a woman as well. A rod and a woman. I never got that, but do it with pleasure. There was this guy, my friend of mine told me about this, who worked it with pleasure. Oh, I know. There was this guy, I got told, my friend of mine told me about this, who worked in medical field. And he said that there was a bloke who, when he was coming, just before he'd come, he'd get

a razor blade and just nick the end of his cock to make the cum happen a bit better. And then he'd done it so much that his cock had peeled up like a filleted prawn. It's a bit of fun. It's a bit of fun. Yeah, a bit of fun. Lovely.

And what's that called? I had a colleague. Prawny Nicky? Sorry? What's that called when you nick the end of your cock to make it separate like a lobster tail? Jack is having a hard time today. We do not know about that. Jack's only had sex with two women and he's done that both times.

Three. Three, three. are you up to three? I've been up to three he's up to three don't you take that third from me I'm sorry to also interrupt you his third was in a similar room to this by the way shut up it was his grandmother's house.

I haven't said anything about Louise's mum. Does she still listen? She would have liked this episode. And the last one. Yeah, I do a lot of this kind of role play, by the way. What is your favourite thing to do? Like you must enjoy it and level to be doing it for how long you've been doing it. And do you like, is there a role play that you're like,

oh, good, the headmistress, boom, shakalaka. Or do you go, cavewoman, hate cavewoman? I think my favourite is definitely feminization. You'd be a cracking Wilma Flintstone, by the way. Spot on. That's true. I should definitely try that. There's nothing wrong with Wilma Flintstone, mate.

I'll take it as a compliment. I should have you give me a list of ideas for role play scenarios. I could just sit in the corner of your dominatrix place and I could just help out people. Do comedy. You don't want your nuts squeezed that hard, mate. You don't know.

You're going to need those bad boys in the future. Now, what's your favorite role play? Yeah, definitely feminization. What is that? That means like transforming somebody into a prostitute or like a woman, basically, you know, with a corset and like a lingerie and boots. We have like,. We have boots and

high heels in men's sizes. He would be gorgeous because the taller the man, the better it is. Fantastic bone structure. Yeah. This is a special. I'll give it away.

What is bastanado? That's not when Luis gets beaten up or bust a nut it away. What is bastanado? That's not when Luis gets beaten up or bust a nut, right? What is bastanado? That's caning of the soles of the feet. Oh. Forrest would like that. If our listeners don't know this, Forrest has a kink, and he loves a foot massage.

He loves them. He loves foot massage. I don't know. You never come with them. Do you ever have a wank while you're getting your feet massaged? No, it's not a sexual thing, but I do like having my feet touched and my top of my head. I like head massages.

I think a lot of people like the bottom of their feet, but a caning at the bottom of your feet. You know, there's sometimes when you get a bad itch on your feet and maybe I would like a caning then to get rid of the itch. I don't know about that. I think that would feel good. Do you ever cane someone and they're like, what the fuck are you doing just wanted to like caning you're drawing blood negotiate she said i have to go to my podiatrist tomorrow um all right when is pain

not pain this is kind of a subjective question i guess but maybe it's not I don't know yeah I think it's it's different for everybody again like some people come to me they don't a lot of people actually they say first thing listen I'm not into pain just to make it clear so they like other things you know and I mean yeah I, some people that are into pain and, you know, when you do it right, pain is not in BDSM context. It's not like stabbing your toe or it's not like hitting your head. Right. It's different. First of all, I arouse them very much. You know, also, I know how to inflict pain in the right places, you know, like nipple play in a specific way. in the right places, you know, like nipple play in a specific way. Even if you're doing,

if you're caning somebody, which is very painful, you build up to it. You don't just start by hitting somebody super hard. You have to mix it with pleasure and build up the pain so that the chemicals in the brain can, you know, release. And it actually makes people very, very high. It doesn't mean that it's not painful. It's painful, but it's much more than pain. So Jim's answer might be right then. He goes, pain is not pain when you've got an erection. That means you're enjoying it on some level. That was really right, yes.

To my ass. What are you going to say, something? Well, it's funny you should mention the stubbing the toe because that is my kink. I make my wife get on the floor like a bit of furniture and I walk into her and go, what the fuck in hell? And I hop around a bit and I yell upstairs, who left this here?

In the middle of the room. You just leave Lego on the floor? Yeah. Is there anyone who's got a Lego fetish where they have to walk over a whole lot of Lego? You never felt pain like that. You could cane my feet all day. You leave a bit of Lego on the floor, you'll know all about it. What is a dominatrix?

Jim said person dominates the person who is paying. High heels, black leather. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, yeah. You should have gotten maybe two and a half. Yeah got maybe two and a half yeah maybe two and a half the quick answer is the third member of the village

people and then what are some basics of safe S&M emotionally and physically Jim said don't bring up me kids no family members don't bring up me kids, no family members, don't mention I'm poor are there some other safe

emotionally and physical things that we need to worry about or that you are concerned about well we call it safe sane and consensual so of course consent is the most important element and yeah negotiation is a big part of it the safe word is a big part of it. The safe word is a big part of it,

which Jim also got correct. And aftercare. So making sure that the person is not re-traumatized or something came up in the session that you need to take care, make sure that you get back to eye level and you finish off the session in a friendly way and you're there for them after the session that's what after the carous okay here's one for you yeah he's at the height of covid when you started taking clients again did you both have to wear masks because it feels like that would take me out of it a bit like you're in danger here. I'm going to treat you like a piece of shit. No, no, no, no.

Keep your mask on. Keep your mask on. Don't breathe on me. You don't want to get the virus. I'm going to whip you, you piece of shit. Careful, careful. Did that happen? Well, whipping is fine for COVID, right?

I mean, during COVID, I did a lot of online sessions, which was quite ridiculous. You know, two hours of texting and writing voice messages of how explaining somebody how I tied them up and then I tickled them for like an hour. I did this really weird online sessions, which, yeah, was fine during COVID. Like, there's no other way.

But then, yeah, we had to wear masks. Absolutely. Would a gimp mask count as a mask? Would that count as a mask, wearing a gimp mask? Or do you have to wear a mask over the top of the gimp mask? Yeah, you have to wear a mask over the gimp mask. Yeah, you do.

That's funny because you try to get it out of plane with one. Sir, we don't, the zipper masks. We don't allow those. But the people that like gas masks were very happy. Oh yeah. Cause that works. Yeah. The gas mask. That's a,

that's a weird one. Do you, have you ever farted into a tube, into a helmet, like out of jackass? You know, I unfortunately don't have enough clients that are into farting because I think.

Wait, unfortunately? No, because you could lean into that, wouldn't you? You'd be having lunch. You'd be having lunch. You'd be eating beans and Brussels sprouts. What's happening? Oh, Terry's coming in at three. I want to be prepped for him.

I love vegan food. So, you know, it would be great for everybody. I think maybe you touched on it. But so how do you, how do you protect yourself from like legal, like falling in love? Like, is there some sort of legal way you protect yourself? So like somebody shows up, they want you to do something to them that may cause like leave a mark or

something like that. Like, do they sign something or how does that work? Or do you just. If I would be in the US, I'm sure there would be some kind of a legal form or something. But here we don't do that now. Yeah. You just have to be really, really careful. I don't do too much crazy stuff.

I'm very, you know, I'm not under, I don't do cutting and stuff like that. So, yeah. Of course, people can get injured. Yeah. very you know i'm not under i don't do cutting uh and stuff like that so yeah i was watching one of those people can get injured yeah i used to have loads like late at night sort of documentaries about like uh like dominatrix and stuff like that before porn was so readily like 20 years ago they were in britain they used to put these things on tv late at night and i saw one bloke and his kink was he wanted to wrestle with women on the floor like he's a high school wrestler and like have a wrestle and they'd fight back and then the girl was like man i don't want to do this

you're too strong i'm a small girl you just beat me up and he's like fuck this place i offer that actually and and you know they want to be dominated so they make it very easy for me but yeah oh no i'd put up a good fight i would i'd be like you're gonna have to earn this 500 bucks or whatever it is that's my that's my rate that i just relive in your high school days um what is findom is it when a guy sits in your head with his dick up so it looks like a shark ding ding ding correct i think that answer uh earned you minus two points even though precious um that is financial domination oh i know about this one that's why i said i'd be interested kelly you have a lot of potential i think you should definitely i think it's i think it's where they go give me more money

you bitch and all type of stuff you're like you get control of their credit cards and stuff like that and just go shopping. I don't understand how that would be a thing. Are they at home coming? Checking their online account. She's bought a bag. I don't know, but if

any of you are interested, I will be your financial dominatrix. How does that work? They give you credit cards and you just spend them? Kelly, you're going to get offers, man. It really depends. I don't have many of those clients. I've done a cash and go

which is you meet the person somewhere, they give you the money, you slap their face and you leave. It's wonderful. That's the best job ever. I'm so into this new career. Can I do it the other way around? Is there any service where a man is a dominatrix to a woman who comes in?

Does that service exist? Like male gigolos are very rare, but I assume this is even rarer. Does this service exist? Do you have a man who walks around the place going, oh, yeah, Sharon's coming in? All you do is slap her and take 50 bucks? Well, Sharon would be a lot more trouble than the regular male client. Like women, yeah, there are women clients.

I've had a couple. We also have a few um man doms here we have one that has some uh yeah some clients female clients but not much i mean honestly like women are not used to paying for sex yeah yeah well there you go they've got that show on what is it showtime gigolos yeah yeah those but they pay more for like the boyfriend experience i feel like i'd like to do a financial domination thing where i give the woman some money and then she you know stretches it out over the week on groceries that's what you do for me it doesn't doesn't pay too it doesn't spend too much of it and

there's a little bit left at the end of the week that she puts into a nice high interest account. Sounds fun. Stable. We talked about aftercare and the difference between fetish and a kink. Why is whipping fun? Jim said Indiana Jones. I don't know.

Is whipping fun? I don't know. Is whipping fun? It seems like it would be painful. Do you ever whip and go... Indiana Jones. I don't know. Is whipping fun?

It seems like it would be painful. Do you ever whip and go... Oh, I'm so into Indiana Jones. I think it's probably one of the films that got me on. Okay. I've always wanted to ask this, right? I've always wanted to ask this. But you're German, right? No.

Oh, you're not. Okay. You just live in Germany. Yeah. Oh, okay. Then you don't care. Yeah, but you can German, right? No. Oh, you're not? Okay, you just live in Germany? Yeah. Oh, okay, then you don't care. Yeah, but you can still ask. No, I was thinking if you're German, you're like Indiana Jones, you're always the bad guy in all the films.

It's not like you're the good guy. I've always thought what do Germans think of movies like that where they're going, yeah, we deserve that, good for him, or whether they're just like, oh, that's a shame. Well, I'm Jewish, so we usually are super supportive of evil. I like how you said usually. I'm Jewish, so we're not always for the Nazis. Sometimes we frown upon their activities.

But it seems like German. We like to see them as evil in the films. Oh, yeah. Good. But it seems like we like to see them as evil. Yeah, I know. You know, I mean, they say that the you know, the Nazis with the very sharp fashion sense, the best has a lot of influence on BDSM. You know, the boots. Yeah. Where did the boots come from?

The boots, the gloves, the you know, the whole beautiful. You know, you go boss man. You go. You go boss must have been such a good designer because he it wasn't like whole beautiful. Hugo Boss, man. Hugo Boss must have been such a good designer because he, it wasn't like he was just like Hitler took over and then he goes, get me that Hugo Boss to make the outfits. And then Hugo Boss dies and the company stays on because it made such good fashion. Hugo Boss was with Hitler before he was the Fuhrer.

Just when he was an upstart politician, he came along to one of the rallies like the pub hall meetings and was like, I'll make the clothes. And his stores are still everywhere. Never cancelled the cunt. I'll still buy one of his suits. Unbelievable. I didn't ask you this, Jim, but do you know what CBT is?

It's the chemical in weed that makes you high. I don't think so. That's CBD. It doesn't make you high. And it weed that makes you high. I don't think so. That's CBD. It doesn't make you high. And it doesn't make you high. What does CBD stand for? CBD.

Cockball torture. Cockball torture. That's going to be around in my game show. You haven't won. You know what that means? CBD. CBD. No, you're going to need the CBD to relax.

No, you did the CBD. Papa and Barclay. CBD. And is that like related to blood sports as well? We didn't talk about blood. We didn't ask about blood. Oh, I know what blood sports is. That's when you have a woman on a period drip over the top of you.

I thought it was Jean-Claude Van Damme. No. He kicks you in the balls. But are these things you don't do? You said you maybe you can explain what blood sports is too. Yeah, I mean the cutting

and the needle play and stuff like that. I mean blood sports, yeah, some people play with quite a lot of blood. Some people do cutting. I'll show you later our drawer of horrible things. But this is for me. This is a hard limit for me.

I don't do anything with blood. I have a little needle phobia. I was in a scene with my colleague Lady Velvet Steel who inserted 50 needles into somebody's penis.

How big was that penis? Very small. Oh, God. And not hard at all. Lady Steele, there she is right there. Yeah, she had a... Lady Steele's up to no good. It's like that magic act when you keep putting swords in the box.

Yeah. Yeah. But cockpole torture, it sounds horrible, but it could just be something like tying it up, you know, a bit of spanking on it, you know. It doesn't have to be so extreme. Has anyone ever asked to get a tooth pulled? Dentistry.

Right back here, this one. Getting a nail pulled. I've heard that. I might come to your place to get a splinter out. I never get to come when I do that normally. And so do you also shy away from like the breath control or making someone pass out? Is that not in your field?

I do play with breath control. Yeah. I don't make somebody pass out is that not in your field but i do play with breath control yeah um i don't make somebody pass out i mean there are two two ways to to play with this so you can either do breath control which is like you know either with a gas mask it's the easiest and you just um you know it's easiest to block their you know breath or you could do strangling which i have a device for strangling which is really cool and there you can also make somebody almost you can make somebody almost pass out but um it is i don't i don't uh go that far we used to do that also all the time make each other pass out by by doing the choking against the wall and then you just like go lightheaded and then just fall down that was like that's a stupid thing to do yeah then we

found out it was really bad for you that's why i'm so stupid and i don't recommend anybody do that plus uh jim listen carefully okay don't take that belt okay There are a lot of people that die from autoerotic asphyxiation. So they're masturbating and, and, and choking themselves. And the thing is, even if you faint, you're still,

you're saying I can leave this world and come, come and go. Sounds like heaven. It is. So, and sometimes the police tells their family that they committed suicide. Sounds like heaven. It is. And sometimes the police tells their family that they committed suicide because it's just too embarrassing to know that, you know, your dad masturbated himself to death.

Let's ask this. What is a play party and what is the etiquette of the attendees? Jim says everyone has a go. Masks, put your phones on a bowl. Yeah, man. Well, I mean, I think in the kinky community, we really like to dress up. So that's quite important. Don't come in with your street clothes.

That is a turn off. Besides that, of course, is everything. Consent is everything. So you don't touch anybody without you know discussing it before asking and all of that um yeah i mean people when they play in a play party they are often they want to be watched but you know you don't come too close you have to be respectful yeah and that we asked that, is it degrading or abusive? Criminal, unnatural, immoral, unethical.

Jim says, no, it's all good as long as it's consenting. As long as everyone's consenting, yeah. Right, there's no. But it must be like all parties. There must be some one fuckwit who gets too drunk and makes a dick of himself and everyone has to go, you have to leave, man. She told you. Just 10 needles up the dick hole.

You put up 15. In a lot of these parties, actually, alcohol is not very welcome. But how do you get in the mood? I don't even drink anymore. I'm like, I'd fucking tie one on for that. You don't

get completely, completely drunk. You don't want to play in a kinky situation, topping or bottoming. You don't get completely completely drunk you know you don't want to anyway you don't want to play in a kinky situation topping or bottoming you don't want to play if you're completely drunk or high on something and if you are then you have to disclose before you start playing

last question here and then maybe you can give us a little tour what does the BDSM community think about movies media like such as 50 shades of gray and so forth portrayal of bdsm is that you think it's good bad or realistic or yeah well 50 shades of gray was um you know the community is very critical about it because of a few things well first of all uh one of the points of the film is that Christian was traumatized as a kid. And that's why he's so kinky.

And this is really a problem because we're trying to move away from the idea that it's a pathological, you know, a thing to be kinky. There is absolutely no proof that it's related one to another. You know, a lot of people have been traumatized and they're not kinky. A lot of people are kinky. It's not necessarily related.

Ted Bundy wasn't a gentle fuck. I'll say that much. You know what I mean? Like, if you're going to be a serial killer, you're probably, I'm not saying you're. I do know. Because he used to cut women's throats and stuff. Oh, yeah.

That was aftercare. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. But first of all, like, consensual BDSM is not the same as real violence. And this goes back maybe to your question of, you know, is it criminal? Is it abusive?

No. The whole idea of BDSM is that it's not abusive. It's all consensual and spoken about before. And this is why we care so much about the negotiation. You know, that's why it's not abusive. It's all consensual and spoken about before. And this is why we care so much about the negotiation. You know, that's why it's so important.

And safe words. Ted money didn't care about your safe words. Do you ever have people come in and you're just like, Oh fuck me. You're a nut job. Like you must like, or anyone who escorts or something must have that all the time. But when they come in and like,

when I say that, do you ever have any people you go, I don't think this person's of a sound mental state to be going through what we're about to do? Yes. Or that's not a concern of yours anyway because you're just doing, you know what I mean? First I take the money.

Yeah, okay, sure. But the thing is like I had people that had these crazy fantasies. When you start to play play it's obvious that they cannot handle it at all and it's not a problem I mean I I do whatever I think that they need you know I have enough skills I can if they say if they really they you know have this crazy yeah beat me up and tie me up and no, they have no idea of their limits. I can still spend time with them and give them what they actually need, which usually is just talking to them, maybe a hug, you know,

asking them about their past or whatever. Sometimes people need a therapist and they go to a dominatrix. I'm not qualified, but. Here's the thing. Is it always sexual or can your fantasy just be something you want to live as your life like is there is does someone always come at the end or get aroused or something because i remember watching this documentary is one of these things about different fantasies and stuff and there was this one bloke that his fantasy was to be like a 1930s uh husband where

the wife does everything and she dresses up and then brings him his tea. And then he brings in his pipe and he's like, this is my fantasy. And you're like, you just want a slave, dude. Just want a slave. This isn't your special thing that you figured out. You just, you're not coming. You're doing this 24 hours a day. So, so is there things, is there a difference between a sexual activity and a fantasy or a kink is yeah i mean honestly what the people that come to me usually there's a sexual element to it most of the almost always again some people are just like a bit not so developed their sexuality is not so developed so this is the only way that they can actually express their sexuality by being tied up or something like that.

But it's always sexual in a professional setting. But there are people that do 24-7 relationships, which is just a normal kind of relationship where they have these elements of BDSM. I'm sure that there are people that just enjoy marriage. No, no, no. My wife puts me in a pet cage at the end of the bed. That's where I sleep because she likes

her space. This is a part of the show we call Dinner Party Facts and we ask our expert to give us an obscure interesting fact, but I think in lieu of that, you could probably just give us a tour of some of the rooms there if you're okay with that and I think that'd be exposing people to things that they've never seen before, mate. Probably some of the rooms there if you're okay with that and I think that'd be exposing people

to things that they've never seen before, mate. Probably some of the listeners. Also, I just wanted to note one thing because you were talking about like Ted Bundy and stuff like that. I would assume in the BDSM community, like there are plenty of people who abuse the, you know, the name like I'm dominant or whatever, but they don't know

how to be dominant in a way that they know how to provide aftercare or do things safely or whatever. So they, the BDSM community, I assume wouldn't claim those people. There are some people who are just abusive and say, I'm a dominant and you do what I say you do. But when you're talking about the actual BDSM community, there is a set of rules to be involved in that. Does that, is that, am I correct on that? Yeah. Thank you, Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Kelly. Cause it's really important to make that distinction. And, uh, a lot of, I mean, there are like men, men going out there saying, oh, I'm a dom and a submissive needs to be able to tolerate everything. And I decide everything. And some women that are beginners, they don't know and they go with it, but that's so far off from the truth. Um, the submissive is the one that places the limits and, you know, they're, they're the focus of the attention. And, uh, yeah, of course you don't do stuff that they

don't want and you have to always, it's, it's really important. That's why it's not abuse. Yeah. I think that's why it's not abuse yeah i think that's why it's gotten such a bad rap is because you get your role play yeah you get your vanilla people from like the like the 50 shades of gray really appealed to the midwestern housewife who was like oh this is interesting but 50 shades of gray was pretty vanilla in terms of bdsm and also he had more control in that situation so i think that is an important distinction is like the sub has the control over their, their limits and then they do what they're comfortable with.

Now you're, you're working. The other, just a point about this is important. I mean, this is the other, the other point why the BDSM community didn't like this film and this book because yeah,

like he decides things. Sometimes she did stuff that she didn't consent to. She did stuff that she didn't like this film and this book because yeah, like he decides things. Sometimes she did stuff that she didn't consent to. She did stuff that she didn't want. But the thing is that this is a fantasy. It's not reality, but it looks almost like fantasy. Yeah. That wasn't,

that wasn't a documentary. Well, it's a fantasy that looks quite a lot like reality. So people get confused, right? And if the fantasy was a tentacle alien kidnapping, you know, young boys, you know,

and abusing them, then it's obviously a fantasy. But because this was kind of a relationship situation, and because it's a fantasy and it's meant to be for housewives it has to have in in a bdsm fantasy has to have a non-consensual part so there was a non-consensual part there right but you can't confuse fantasy with what is really bdsm right and this is why the community is upset with that because this is the biggest representation of BDSM that we've ever had.

And then if it's represented wrong, you know, then we don't want people to get the wrong impression. Now, when you first, you said, I know you're about to show us around, but I just want to ask this quick. When you said you first, you answered an ad in a newspaper, then you came in, you got the job, and now you've been doing it for a long time. Do you look back on younger you when you came in to do the job like, I can't believe I wore that stupid outfit?

Okay, so you have new girls coming into the work. You're in the entertainment business just like I am. Do you ever look at some of them and they come in like a biker hat and you're like fucking hack? You know what I mean? Like it's stereotypical nurse costume very creative no everything goes everything goes yeah that was just you didn't want to fucking upset sally the mistress or whatever her fucking name is all right so let's have a look around. Okay. So, this room

that Jim insulted very much is full of surprises. So, here you can tie somebody up. Everywhere you can tie somebody up. Here you can do a little

teacher role play. I hate chalkboards. I'd do it if you had a whiteboard. I can't stand it. I don't know how I sat through school with chalk. No, no, no, no, no, no. Honestly, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, God. Even just chalk on a board. We found a hard limit. I'd rather you put needles down where you read them. Okay. Also, this little cupboard is a place to tie a slave that is really annoying. Can you have a shit in that hole? Or is that just to let your cock and balls dangle?

Exactly. And with weights on them. And do you clean that off? Do you spray a bit of Lysol on that? Or do you just leave that for the next cock and balls that come along? Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. The spray, the disinfectant has been popular here since before Corona.

Yeah. You're at the forefront of COVID. Oh, yes. Do you have a room that has a lot of pinball machines? That's his kink. I take you to the clinic. The clinic. Oh, yeah.

Where you're a nurse and you take... That's pretty good. Now, there's stirrups there for giving birth. Is that to prod a man's arsehole or do you lay on that and act like you're giving birth and he's a doctor and then you just throw a baby doll in his face? This is for examination of the anus. Ah, yes. Of course.

And also you can have a look at yourself from the mirror. I like that the window is right next to it. It's a realistic clinic. So, this is the part you're going to like, Jim. This is the sounding. For inserting. That's inserting in the asshole. That's not the urethra. That's not urethra. No, that's urethra. No, no, that's inserting in the asshole.

That's not the urethra. That's not the urethra. No, that's the urethra. No, no, that's the urethra. That's not urethra. That's anus. Okay. Okay, let's be fair. The thickest I ever got is this.

The urethra. There you go. Is this for the urethra. To be fair, those other ones are still, you can buy them, hardly been used. They don't even have to wipe them down. Like new. A princess.

Oh, this one you would like, okay? So you put this in the urethra and then you can expand it. Like whoosh. Oh, wow. Why? Where do you get these from? You don't get these on Amazon. They have a loser in the back.

That's what I always think is, like, not only does it do that thing, but it's probably not that well made. Like, it's made by one bloke who's got a few butterfly clips laying around. Well, actually, these days you can get all of this shit on Amazon, to be honest. It's so popular. All right. It's going to be good.

Needles. Actually from the jungle, from some tribe. Needles. Needles, different thickness of needles. You have different thicknesses. Here we have some knives for knife play. It is a real setup though.

Oh yeah We're professionals here You gotta say that about the Germans man They make a nice thing Their products are good That would be the best urethra puller You've ever fucking seen If you go to China and shove it up your urethra

It would break off Oh here's some stuff What's that? You got to chomp it and shove it up your razor and break off. That's like a kidney stone. Oh, here's some stuff. What's that? Let's see. What else? Gag balls, collars. Okay, this is for, let's say, forced, like, oh, forced, you know,

pee play or whatever for opening your mouth. Opening your mouth, you can't do anything about it. Bit of fun. A bit of fun. Bit of fun. There's a lot of just like, you know, stuff for role play here. Let's see. Again, for examination of the

anus. Give them what they want. That's one of the dominatrix things have you got a low signal you can't call anyone can you you naughty boy alright well I sort of came through

okay well this is the feminization space so I bring the client here and all the shoes oh yeah big shoes it's like male size size 14 women's shoes

oink oink yeah I met Roseanne I don't eat pork anymore we have all these masks this is pony play mask oh yeah I've seen the pony play pony play is fun We have all these masks. This is Pony Play mask. Oh, yeah, I've seen the Pony Play. Pony Play is fun.

Do you do the thing where you shove the butt plug in the ass so they have a tail? Yes, yes. And here we even have a saddle. I don't know if you can see it. Oh, you know what you would really love? I just wish you could see this. So many rooms.

I know. Yeah, yeah. Okay, can you see. So many rooms. I know. Yeah, yeah. Okay, can you see this? That's a toilet seat. Yeah. Yeah, very clearly. Someone sits underneath that, lays underneath that, while you do a shit.

Yeah, and put their head in here. It's see-through. They have the hair. Oh, there's a head hole. And then there's a hole. They can put their head in here, basically. Oh, my God. I wouldn't put my hand in there I don't care

I don't care how much it's fucking been cleaned so we have a special at the studio which is the toilet special so basically the client comes in we put them in the thing and anybody that needs to pee

goes there instead of the toilet they go to the man toilet. Here we have some nice bondage chairs. Yeah, they're nice. We have

a cage for you, Jim. You like this stuff, right? That looks just like yours at home. It's a cage. A little bigger, though. You could slip out from the bottom there, it looks like, though. You're crappy. Now, I don't want to be a fly in your ointment, but

what happens if everyone's caged and they're being shit on and they're being pissed on and you're in a different room and there's a fire? Do you go, oh, we're going to unlock fucking Jerry? Get him first. Get him first or do we just leave the room and go, sucks to be you. Do you have a no smoking policy indoors because it's someone's workplace?

Would that be frowned upon where you go, oh, don't do that. That'll kill you. Yeah, you're not meant to. Smoking is a big, big taboo. Oh, yeah. How about you show us one more room? One last room there. There's so many. We could do it all day.

Oh, wait. Yeah, no. There's so much to show you, you guys. I do studio tours here. It's two hours. What time of the day is it there right now? What time of the day is it? Why is there no one here? It's like 10.30 at night for her. She's doing this really late for her.

It's midnight. I remember. Where's all the people with butt plugs in them? I'm a real midnight butt plug guy. They're a nine-to-five dominatrix. We might have lost some signal. Yeah, she's just stationary. She's in the dungeon.

She's stationary there with a garden gnome. We lost you for a second there we we can't oh there we go you're back you're in a new room internet is shitty here yeah yeah yeah internet is shitty uh yeah actually you know you'd be surprised but people don't come so late they come during i mean it's not that's the difference with the brothel i think brothel maybe people get drunk and then they're horny and then they go to brothel. Dominatrixes, they book in advance, you know, sometimes a few weeks in advance. And usually it's like a daytime activity more than a nighttime activity.

All those boxes there, is that just sometimes you get a bloke who comes in, you make him do your taxes? I wish, I wish, I wish. No. Here we have a ton of toys, you know. You were just holding a massive butt plug. Yeah, I wanted to show you the massive butt plug, yeah.

Wait, that's been used before? That's been used? I've seen them in porn being used. Yeah, people don't get it all the way and they sort of squat on it and they get as much in as possible and they bounce. Yeah. It's so clean there. So if we were in Berlin, we could just take a tour without doing,

or is that you have to come in? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll come in by myself. Before COVID, I did these tours. I don't need to come with Forrest. What did you say? I said,

I'll go in by myself. I don't need to come in with Forrest. Jim and I were walking around. Yeah. Oh, the butt plug in person is much bigger. The screen doesn't do it justice.

Jim's like, I have a left force at the hotel. No, he's in the toilet right now. His head's in there. Yeah. If I show up to that place, they go, we have a toilet special. And then I walk in the room, I hear. Who's got to go? I'm covered in pee and I love it.

More fiber. All right, well. The Germans are sort of obsessed with shit, though. Like, if you're going to get scat, the Germans, like, they have those toilets that have the little level on them where they look at their shit afterwards. Like, you ever seen those? So there's, like, a little puddle of water.

You shit on there, and then you flush, and it goes off the cliff's edge. So it sits up on a bit of higher playing field. But it's just true. The Germans are obsessed with looking at their poo and seeing what their diet is and just going, oh, no, we should be eating more sauerkraut. You know what I mean? Like they do.

Tell them I'm wrong. There's a shelf on the toilets, right? Not every toilet and it's not just in Germany. It's different parts of... They have it in Holland as well. Yeah, yeah. They have it in different parts of... Yeah, the Dutch are obsessed as well. It's not just Germany. And that's just to marvel at your own shits?

You look at it and go, that must have drank a lot of Guinness then. I'll tell you what. I'm not sure what it's about. I used to have these black shits, man, whenever I drank Guinness and stuff like that. And then the other day I had a shit that was so black that I thought I had to go to the doctors. It was tar that just

came out of me. And then I couldn't rack my brain like, how the fuck did this happen? And then I went to the fridge and went, ooh, I'll eat that leftover squid ink pasta. Is there maybe one last thing you want to show us before we go like something I mean it seems like we could be doing

let's see and the giant butt plug is pretty good the giant butt plug is pretty good I can tell you a scary story about giant butt plugs sure let's do that tell us a giant butt plug story and we'll call it a day.

Okay, so I have a client who's a surgeon and he actually showed me a picture of, you know, a lot of people arrive at the emergency room with something weird stuck in their butt. This is a real

thing. It's a real issue, you know. He said he had multiple people weird stuck in their butt. This is a real thing. It's a real issue. He said he had multiple people that decided it was that a light bulb would be a good thing to stick up their ass. Yeah, bad idea. Really bad idea. But this

specific case was this giant butt plug. Now, cautionary tale, always have flared base, but really big flared base to everything you put in your butt because it can really disappear in there. So this person took this really huge, really huge, I don't know, something like this butt plug. And it just got sucked inside of his ass until it was visible from the front. It was huge. Oh my God. And they couldn't get it out from the ass.

They had to cut him up from the front, the stomach from the front to get out. Then his friends fucked it. That's the jail episode. I don't know if this story is an urban legend or not my friend said many years ago he said this is a story that happened to him right the light bulb in the mouth you ever heard this one I don't know that one okay so this bloke he's like okay if you put if you put you can get like a light bulb in your mouth or a cubicle or, but you can get a light bulb. If you've got a big enough mouth, you can get it past the teeth and in there.

But because of the curvature of the bulb and the curvature of your teeth, you can't get it back out. So this guy was like, this guy was like, all right, I'll put it. And he put a light bulb in his mouth and then couldn't get it out. Panic starts to set in. You got, you got glass in your mouth. Can't get it back out. These mates are all bloody laughing. They get into a taxi.

The taxi driver in London's just like, what's wrong with you lads? Ah, you put a bloody light bulb in his mouth and they go, once you put a light bulb in your mouth, you can't get it back out. So they go down to the emergency room. He has to sit there panicking like he can't bite down. His jaw's getting sort of... Then they make him lean forward and they lance it and they put fluid water going forward so all the glass washes as it shatters forward out of his mouth right yeah while he while his mates are waiting in the waiting room uh to wait for their friend to come out the cab driver walks in with a light bulb in his mouth oh my god no because that's me i reckon i could get it out i know i kind of want to try it

oh gosh right now someone at home putting a light bulb in their mouth we're talking 40 watt I could get it out. I know. I kind of want to try it. Oh, gosh. Right now, someone at home is putting a light bulb in their mouth. We're talking 40 watt? Dasha, thank you for being here. Again, her Instagram is at Dasha, D-A-S-A underscore Hank, H-I-N-K. Her YouTube channel is Dasha Hank, and your website is DashaHank.com. Is there anything you'd like to say before leaving? That was fun. Yeah, thank you so much for doing this support sex workers thank you this was a support sex

workers and thank you jim for everything uh you've done and please come visit me look i supported you guys financially i kept up the economy no you're more than welcome. My pleasure. Okay, so if you're ever at a party and you're talking to a plumber and you go, hey, is there a toilet seat where a person could fit their head through while people shit and piss on them? And then he'd go, no. And I go, I don't know about that.

And walk away. Good night, Australia.