I Don't Know About That - Country Music feat. Eugene Edwards

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Eugene Edwards (@eugeneedwards25) is back with his axe to teach us the about country music. Check out Eugene's Sirius XM show "Cowpunks to Nowpunks" on the the Dwight Yoakam channel 329 "Dwight Yoakam and the Bakersfield Beat."

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they're selling relatively well December 8th and 9th I'm out there me brother's in town Vegas at the Mirage. Viva Las Vegas. Come out to the show. They're selling relatively well. December 8th and 9th. I'm out there. My brother's in town. I'm going to be all over. If you want to catch me, catch me at the, it's now the Hard Rock or what used to be the Mirage. Still called the Mirage.

It's still called the Mirage. So the Hard Rock is the Mirage. Well, they're going to build the giant guitar and all that stuff out there, but for right now, it's the Mirage. All right. Well, I'll be performing on top of the volcano or in the theater. Check both venues. Eighth and ninth. Still some tickets available, but I assume it'll sell out.

They always do. Yeah. Then you're off until next year, baby. We will. Las Vegas. Then next year, Baltimore,, Maryland Boston, Sacramento Indio Las Vegas again

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I was not going to go until Oscar Pistorius came and everyone's like Oscar Pistorius after you did the routine he's going to kick your ass he's coming out and I thought

you know well this is the thing leave him some tickets no this is the thing right so he's meant to be on house arrest but they can't put the ankle bracelet on they put it around his wrist

I can't be the first person to think of that joke surely right but they can't put the ankle bracelet on so he just left it on one of the flippers and they're like oh jeez he's depressed

he hasn't seemed to move all day the reckon when he gets on the flippers back up they reckon like because when you get out of prison you're allowed to go to the olympics gotta have the casual flippers no but he's allowed to go to the olympics again right well the olympics don't go oh you're a criminal you're not allowed to be convicted of murder maybe they don't come on now you got you don't think there's one bloke with a starting gun who's done it by accident, held the wrong gun? If you have a felony, can you compete in the Olympics? Let's see. That's good.

So other dates come out. North Charleston, Fort Lauderdale, San Francisco. No provision to bar an athlete from competing because of a criminal record. Bring back, bring back the Blade Runner. Bring him back. cuz I need more jokes I posted that routine the other day and it's like my digital the part there's people who work digital for me and they didn't think I will put the

Oscar story in the news story came when the news again so I'm ring jack up and it's over Thanksgiving like Oscar's doors Jack make sure you get Oscar bestorius up yeah there's been there's been some people who are like very, they can't, that routine's quite extreme. Do you remember like back in the day, I did that routine, right? And then there was a newspaper in Ireland who had a vote whether I'd gone too far. I don't remember that.

Did you go too far? Yeah, it was like Jim Jefferies routine where he condones the death of a lady and all that type of stuff. Has he gone too far? And they had a vote, and I voted that I went too far because I wanted to be, like, way voted that I've gone too far. It was like a 50-50 split.

Damn. So go to jimjefferies.com and hit tours, and you'll see all the tour dates there. And go to IDCat Podcast on Instagram. Follow us on there uh i we had some merch before and i think we're gonna get some new the hats back the hats are the killer we're gonna get some new merch i'm working on it now i'm working on getting us uh like a person that what happened to the other merch that we sell out we must have that was with the old the old

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with Dave Williamson. We're going to be doing the Merman podcast there live. Here's the article, by the way. Oscar Pastoria sentencing comedian praises athlete for shooting with Dave Williamson. We're going to be doing the Mermen podcast there live. Good morning, Stiles. Here's the article, by the way. Oscar Pastoria sentencing comedian praises athlete for shooting during sick stand-up routine. You found it. I don't know if this is it. Yeah.

Yeah. Described Blade Runner as his inspiration for killing the mob. I'm very clearly joking. The opening is very extreme I go he's an inspiration To millions of people Then he killed a good looking woman And that's when he became an inspiration Outspoken Jeffrey

Who has previously joked about Maddie McCann 9-11 And the Holocaust Described Steenkamp's killing as Quote A lesson to women

You really comedy during the routine he said on valentine's day last year pistoria shot and killed the hottest girl on earth that's when he became an inspiration to me if you watch it it's really bad if you read it it's bad if you watch it i'm clearly joking i'm clearly it's clearly tongue-in-che. Jeffrey says, quote, because hot girls have been getting away with too much shit for two fucking months. That's not a joke. That's the truth. Let that be a lesson to all you hot girls out there. You can't say whatever the fuck you want.

People have feelings, you cunts. You really do need the delivery. If you read my stuff, it's bad stuff. I see a quote here says i gotta be in this doco right i guess referring to being in the oscar pastorius documentary oh right is it what you said that i guess on x oh oh they would they would oh that's on twitter there was like some documentary about him being made and i thought that routine's gotta make it into the the thing like what do you reckon the chances of Oscar Pistorius,

and if you want to see the Oscar Pistorius routine, it's one of the more recent photos in my Instagram right now. It's real there. You can go watch it there. But you've got to think that Oscar's heard the routine. Had to have. Had to have. Australian comedian Jim Jefferies does the unthinkable

and runs with an Oscar Pistorius segment in his latest stand-up comedy set. Unbelievable. Unthinkable. Unthinkable. And it was a decade ago, right? I did it a decade ago. Yeah, almost. I was like nine years.

Yeah. I did it nine, ten years ago, this routine. And now people are writing to me shocked. I'm like, if I... Look, an Oscar, I would put that in my top five routines ever. I'm very proud of that routine. The bit where he slides himself along the floor to get to the safe is as funny as I've ever been.

Yeah, yeah. And I hadn't watched it since I recorded or whatever, and then we posted it the other day, and I watched it the other day, and I was getting depressed. I was like, fuck, that was it or whatever, and then we posted it the other day, and I watched it the other day, and I was getting depressed. I was like, fuck, that was good. Yeah, the sliding part. I remember when we were in Denver, you got tired in the middle of it. You had to pull yourself across the stage.

I was in fear. The mile I climbed, you're like. Oh, no, it was a very physical routine. I don't know if I could do it now. I don't know if I'd get back up all the time. You'd have some sort of pain in your knee or something. I don't want to do that. You've got to stretch.

You know, when I watched it back though I wish I differentiated more between her voice and his voice in my mind I was doing different voices but I really the tone was exactly the same

yeah I know what you're saying but you still get because you do this thing where you move this way and then you move that way yeah yeah you stand here and you stand there

that's how you do it very one man show I would have been one of those good entertainers that was like half woman half man. And I'd jump. You got to have a mustache.

Because maybe it's cold outside. Well, what should I be? Oh, maybe it's cold outside. I actually did the man and the woman bit back to frame. Maybe it's cold outside. Oh, what should I be? Maybe it's cold outside. I'd jump back and forth.

And half of me would be in a tuxedo. The other half would be in a dress.'s good it's good entertainment i would tell you right now you'd have one less friend if that's who you were i don't think ever would have you're right i think i would have made a few more good friends besides forest who's judgmental i don't think about me half cross-dressing i half cross-dressed and it wasn't up to Forrest's standard. Forrest is just like, oh, not for me. Well, I was living my truth in that routine and you want to come along with your bigotry.

Let's get the guest. Now let's welcome our guest, Eugene Edwards. G'day, Eugene. It's nice to see you. Good day. Good to see you. So it's not going to be electric guitar again, but we'll find out by playing this simple game called... Yes, though. Yes, though.

Yes, though. Maybe. Judging a book by its cover. Eugene, you're involved in music. I know that about you. You also got fantastic hair. This is the second time I've heard that today. Thank you.

Yeah, I assume you died. I can see the grey coming through on the sides. But I'm all for that. Yeah. I'm all for that. Oh, I do the same thing. That's just to make it seem, it's just a reality check. No, no, no, no, no.

It's, when you go in as a man to get your hair dyed, no, I do it. Yeah. I have it at the moment. I'm completely grey at the moment when you do it. There is a feeling of, they need a men's place for this because barbershops don't do it yeah yeah and hair salons you're just sitting running like under that lamp thing with the with all the women do you like tinfoil yeah no i i get it all just oh okay through and then like a magazine under the thing no i don't get i don't get that's the dryers

but there's other people you're in the hair dyeing section, and they're putting it through, and then they go, well, they're going to leave it another five, and then they come back, and then some assistant walks up and goes, yeah, it's a bit dark. Because I keep on going back to my original colour, right, from when I was 16. I should go back to my original colour from when I was 40,

where I still had dark hair. Like, I shouldn't go, I'm taking it all the way back yeah that is a benefit to having lighter hair i'm sure i have grays in my hair but it's harder to see them yeah yeah but my beard is like why is my beard dark and then it just has this gray patch stupid well no you have fantastic hair i didn't marry you it turned into an insult no i don't oh did it oh did did it? Oh, did it? Oh, I suppose. No, backhanded. I'll take it. Yeah. He meant well. Bless his heart.

Do you want to guess what Eugene is talking about? I want to say it's because of his name and the way he looks. It's the comedy of Eugene Levy. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Selling a car in National Lampoon's Vacation. He does. In Glendale. It's the first thing. He's like this. Oh, I'm sorry.

We're going to have to get your car back and it's already crushed into a cube. Perfect. Yeah, that was something we were talking about off air, but if anyone's... Yeah, sorry. No, it's fine. I'm just saying because...

Okay. Everything's okay. I feel like the explanation is people didn't care as much. Edit that out. All right, so it wasn't... It's not Eugene Levy, the comedy of? No. Is it the charitable work of Eugene Levy?

I don't think he does much charitable work. I think he'd do some. I reckon he'd get up at some type of auction at his kid's school back in the day. He'd get up at the auction and just go, oh, this is all going to the children. Yeah. Okay, so is it music related? Yes. We talking about a particular band no uh eugene levy is a member of canadian charity artists against racism

i'm a member of that technically too good safe one isn't it i'm not i'm not a member but i agree with a lot of its ideas not all of their ideas, but some of it I do. I'm all for comedians. Sorry, I interrupted you. You're guessing. Okay, so is it about a particular instrument? No. Okay, so it's about music.

It's not about a band. Is it about a particular genre of music? Yes. Do you remember the band he played in? So we've done... The artist? It was country. Is it country? Yeah, that's it i'm gonna give you another hand is it is it country and nor western is western included it can be i don't know the difference i mean we can talk about it

we'll talk about it all western music comes from california ah true good point i've said this about like america they've all their stuff that the way they name areas is completely wrong the Midwest is the middle the Middle East yeah no no I agree with that yeah yeah I got it was named coming from east to west so there's a bias oh I understand clearly yeah but until using it I just want to see you know Illinois and Indiana get along I just want a see Illinois and Indiana get along. I just want a peace treaty in the Middle East between those two towns.

You ever been? They're always shitting on each other. When will it ever end? It's been going on since I've been here. I bet you when the Jackson 5 travelled over the border to Chicago to perform from Gary, Indiana, I bet they had some prejudice against them. from the guy from the gary strip sure the gary strip um the gary strip i'll get in trouble for all this all right let's move on um i was gonna

quickly i was gonna give you the hint of the gary strips very funny yeah i thought that was great did we talk about reba on here yet? Reba McIntyre. We did talk about her. Yeah, we talked about Reba. Yeah, yeah. We went to a famous restaurant. From Atoka.

Atoka, Oklahoma. It's not any of the questions. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. I know about Reba. Eugene Edwards attended. I've been passing Dolly Parton's rock and roll billboard. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I know it's a bit of Photoshop, but you would. Just from the billboard. And if you saw her as a Dallas cheerleader, I'm telling you. Christy Brinkley used to be my over 70s route. Okay, yeah. But now I've moved Dolly in there as well. Nice.

I've got two. Yeah, yeah. Literally, the last episode I did of the Merman podcast, Dave Williamson and I were having the same exact conversation. No, no, no. We were just saying, like, you're a warden. He got two. Yeah, yeah. Literally, the last episode I did of the Merman podcast, Dave Williamson and I were having the same exact conversation. No, no, no. We were just saying, like, you're a warden. He's like, oh, yeah. Oh, the sexual harassment she must have had in her early 20s

working in country. Yeah. I'm not saying that, like, working in rock or whatever it is, but it was a very male-dominated thing back then, and she was something else. Yeah. I watch a documentary. You didn't think about it when you were a kid,

and then you watch back, you go, she was all right, her, Dolly Parton. Yeah, always a beauty, yeah. Yeah, but you didn't, as a kid, you looked older. I get you. It's like I didn't get the, I didn't get the, I was always Marsha Brady, and now that I watch the Brady Bunch recently, Florence Henderson. Oh, my.

Florence, oh Florence Mrs. Brady let me introduce Eugene properly for those who don't know him Eugene Edwards attended the Berklee College of Music and won the California Chapter Country Music Awards Guitarist of the Year composed a score for short films and documentaries

and was part of K Earth's 101 Morning Show for 7 years and works as a spokesperson for Fender Guitar and for the past 12 years has been the lead guitarist for country music legend Dwight Yoakam. And has a show on Dwight's SiriusXM channel, Cowpunks to Nowpunks. He also currently hosts the music podcast,

The Know It All Hour, and hosts the streaming Eugene and Dylan Guitar Show. You can find him on IG and Twitter, slash X, at EugeneEdwards25, and on Facebook, Eugene Edwards. Thanks again for being here, Eugene. Thank you for having me, gentlemen. You've been here before. You know how this works.

I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about country music, and at the end of that, his answers, you're going to grade them as accuracy 0 through 10. All my answers are Slim Dusty. Slim Dusty, okay. I told you he was gonna bring up slim dusty yes he did you promised though i don't know slim dusty is he's the pub with no beer he was the original country australian country no okay um i love to have a beer with duncan i noticed you did

this did you do these categories yeah i'm glad he's happy that you're doing these categories now this is fun uh well how's gonna you didn't sound like you were as happy as I am it's a very main spirit no it takes it's one less thing uh

so you're gonna grade him on accuracy 0-10 uh Jackson grade him on confidence I'm gonna grade him on how hungry I am

and uh we'll add all those scores together and uh 0-10 Merle Haggard alright you know who he is

I know all the Merle Haggard 11-20 Merle Sleepgard. Alright. You know who he is, right? I know of Merle Haggard. 11-20 Merle Sleepy. Mm-hmm. 21-30 Merle. Lynch, which is what they did a lot in country towns back in the day. Well-rested. Horror well-rested.

Merle well-rested. Oh, okay. Where did country music come from? The country, man. Sure. The hearts and minds of white men in the South. Hearts and minds.

Okay. Is that your answer? I don't think it's wrong. Okay, so country. I would have said the invention of the automobile would have been the domino push because someone's dog would have gotten run over for the first time. And then the guy's wife would have left him, and then he wrote a song.

Invention of the wheel. Yeah, the invention of the automobile. Invention of the automobile. Yeah. Okay. Because it's got to go faster than just a clean automobile. Dog got run over, my wife left me now. Why did they invent the car?

I thought that was a song. What makes a country song different from a rock and blues one? It's sweeter to fuck your sister by. That's a trend. How do I score him when he's half right? As if it wasn't sweet enough to begin with. Just a little bit sweeter. Cherry on top.

I will say that one of my great privileges in comedy was not having a sister. Because I've had a make-believe sister in jokes so many times. If she was a real woman, the amount of apologies I would have had to make. But since she's never existed I've had sex with this woman so many times my imaginary sister in jokes

it's just how I am is that your answer sweeter to fuck your sister by it's part of my answer what was the question what makes a country song different from a rock and blues rock or a blues

okay well a rock and blues song can have can have electric guitars in it for the most part country oh no it does have electric guitars in it. For the most part, country. Oh, no, it does have electric guitars. I'm going to say Keith Urban. Okay.

Keith Urban. This is not a bad answer, I think. What instruments are used in country songs? Acoustic guitars. But now you can use electric guitars, but historically acoustic guitars. Yeah, this is what you did for jazz, similar. Washboard. A washboard?

Washboard. Oh. Washboard. I don't know if I'll ever get that image of you playing an imaginary, you're just air washboarding. That's pretty good. A stick with a bit of string onto a box

that you pulled out to make it sound like a double bass. And like, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum it sound like a double bass one string bass a like a flask like a ceramic flask that has a small opening at the end a jug A jug. A jug. We have an American word for that. Jug.

Oh, you get all yours from Looney Tunes. Did they invent the car? Any other instruments? Is that it? The drums would have a go in there. The drums would have a go. Oh, harmonica. Yeah.

A mouth organ. Mouth organ is something she might call it. There's another joke for your sister in there. Yeah. Okay. Why are most country songs two or three verses long? Because your wife leaves you, you mourn about it, you get drunk, and then she comes back, and then you realize that you didn't need her after.

Roll. So it's the beginning of the story, the middle of the story, the end of the story. So the problem arising, the activity of the problem. Right. The middle. The beginning, middle, end. Yeah, and the resolution. Right. The middle. The beginning, middle, end. Yeah, and the resolution.

Oh. Okay. But why is the hub of country music in Nashville? Because, okay, I'll tell you why. I've recorded a special in Nashville, and I've performed at the Ryman, as has the band the Doohickeys. I've sold out the Ryman many times,

and so as someone who plays the Grand Old Opry, I'll tell you about the Grand Old Opry. I've been on a stage where Elvis Presley was booed off. Was he booed off there? That's what one of the guys who works there reckons. He looked like he was 35. Were you booed off? No, I was never booed off.

No, not when Elvis was there. Anyway, but I say the rhyme, and it's because of the grand old Opry, and it's like, so all the people from the surrounding towns, it was like a hub in the middle. Also, I reckon they sell the most hats and boots there. And if anywhere I've gone, if you want to get country merchandise,

that's the way to go. In fact, I will say, if you're a balding man, Nashville is the town for you. You could go decades without anyone knowing about your baldness. Because even if you're not wearing a cowboy hat, you can wear a trucker hat. It's Hat City. And no one's like, take your hats off indoors. They're like, put your hats on.

You're indoors. Where's your hat? Where's your indoor hat? Emergency rooms. Yeah. Do other countries have country music? If so, describe. Australia has country music. Yeah. Australia has country music if so like describe australia has country music yeah australia has country music yeah australian country anyone else is hey true blue

a countryside hey that's john williamson hey true blue don't say you're gone say you've knocked off for a smoker um any other countries have artists uh yeah there'd be a bloke in Britain who just there'd be one bloke in Britain there'd be a few blokes in Eastern Europe which here's my big hit pierogi potatoes and cheese so that bloke

this is Eugene's life I love this. Okay, all right. I'm just making sure. No, no, I'm not. No, I know. I'm kidding. But there's other countries that probably have their own version of country music.

New Zealand would have some. Africa would have some, but it would mostly be those Bushmen that jump up and down. That would be their country music. What was the Dust Bowl and how did it affect country music? The Dust Bowl was the fanciest restaurant in all of Tennessee. And it's where Dolly Parton got a tit job.

It's a good restaurant. Yeah, it's a good restaurant. If you finish that whole hoagie, you get a tit job. Dolly smashed it back at about 18 years of age, and they took it back there, and she was like, well, you're all so nice, and then she moved on and made Jolene. Is that your final answer? Yep.

What is the Bakersfield sound? You know what Bakersfield is? Yeah, it's in California, Bakersfield sound? You know what Bakersfield is? Yeah, it's in California, Bakersfield. It's not a popular town. And if you live in Bakersfield, hey, I'm sorry. That's where Arnie's from. Yeah, yeah. That's his dog.

Oh, I see. No, it's Schwarzenegger. You didn't think that that was the accent of Bakersfield? Yeah, I was curious. Bakersfield. I go here to do country. Bakersfield sound. What is it?

He just did it. Yeah, he just did it. That's it. No, the Bakersfield sound would have been 13 different musicians playing at once. A baker's dozen. Boom shakal at once. A baker's dozen. Boom shakalaka. Ooh. Baker's dozen.

Okay. He's a very creative. That's because bakers are fat fucks who eat the 13th one. What are some famous country venues, country music venues? The Ryman. Yeah. The Ryman in Nashville, Tennessee. Yep.

Sun Records is not a venue, but it has been a venue to a lot of musicianship. Good. And that's in Memphis, Tennessee. Good work. Okay. Capitol Records. Tamworth, Australia is our Nashville. That's the home of Guns 3.

We can't really verify. You ever been to Tamworth? I have. I've played Tamworth. I have. All right. Well, then you've been. Loved it. I've never played Tamworth? I have. I've played Tamworth. I have. All right. I've never played Tamworth.

They say there's a theater not big enough for me. I believe. Spoke too soon. They did a huge guitar. So I'll be there in

a couple of years. Working towards it. That's good. Good to have goals, Jim. Good to have goals. I'll definitely play Tamworth if I can.

But they did tell me it wasn't worth me while to go there. But I'm up for going to Tamworth. Where is Tamworth I'll definitely play Tamworth if I can. But they did tell me it wasn't worth me while to go there, but I'm up for going to Tamworth. Where is Tamworth? Nah, it's in the middle bit. Okay. Further, it's away from the beach. Okay.

Why were the 1927 Bristol sessions significant? Was this Bristol, England or Bristol, America? Because there were two different sessions. America. America? Okay. Two different sessions. That's different different That's different

That's different then Yeah The American ones I want to say They were different Because they let in Significant Yeah

Okay Because they let in People of colour Okay That's not a bad bet Around 1912 And that's Before the civil rights movement

And all that type of stuff So that would have been Very significant Okay And it's probably In the south somewhere So all that type of stuff. So that would have been very significant. And it's probably in the South somewhere. So I want to hang me hat on that answer. Okay. As we know, a very tolerant music style here over the years.

Okay. What instrument made its first appearance on the Webb Pierce record Slowly in 1954? Country music. What instrument? Webb Pierce record Slowly in 1954. This what instrument was web pierce records slowly in 1954 this instrument made its do you want the language of origin first appearance i would say electric guitar that was the first time electric guitar is played into the country music okay um what was the outlaw movement and who were some of the prominent artists well i was gonna be an out outlaw I know the highway men yeah

is that the highway men yeah that's it alright you're the highway men but what was the movement the outlaw the outlaw movement who were some of the artists

I'll put highway men I would say I would say the outlaw was to see that's why how has the south not got legalized weed all their country artists are fucking

the whole time. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like the one about Willie Nelson. Yeah, Willie Nelson and the other one. They all do it. They all do it. I would say legalization of weed within country music.

Okay. I don't think you're going to get a good score here. I don't need a good score. All I do is sit back and pitch a fucking miss sister. What was hee-haw? Hee-haw. Hee-haw. It was a type of chocolate milk that competed against Yoo-Hoo.

Okay. I've never had Yoo-Hoo. I've only ever seen it referenced in like- Terrible. It looks like it's not good. I'll pitch them up on the way over. Well, I'm stopping at World Epinata's for dinner, so I'll get you Epinata's for your meal when you come over. I've only ever seen it referenced in like terrible all right. It looks like it's on the way over well I'm stopping at world eponata for dinner, so I'll get you eponata for your meal when you come over and I'll get you

You who a lot of you swap Wow yeah? Yeah, what buck owens song was covered by the Beatles? So buck going I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Kansas City Kansas City is a Beatles song And then last question Kansas City. Kansas City is a Beatles song? Yeah, going to Kansas City, Kansas City where it comes. And then last question. It's more the... What is a nudie suit? A nudie suit? Nudie.

Yeah, it's like one of those, it's like a skin color. And you just wear it and you go, nudie, nudie. And then you put like a leaf over the top and you act like you're Adam and Eve for fucking Halloween. But in relation to country music, what is a nudie suit in relation to country music a nudie suit that's the name of it yeah and you that's how you say it right yep you're saying it right it's a condom what does it have to do with country music right a lot of them knock women up so they they said start wearing nudie suits if you all start wearing nudie suits. If you all start wearing nudie suits, we'll have less children kicking around the tour bus. Eugene, how did you do?

Get me under the guy I hate, Johnny Cash. Well, we'll talk about him. I hate Johnny Cash. Yeah, no, I know. We'll talk about him. Have you heard his rant, Eugene? I've heard the rant. I've heard one of the times you've done the rant.

This is every Johnny Cash song. Yeah, you've been doing it all the episodes so far. Kevin Winslow of podcasts. Obscure reference. Yeah, we know him. On accuracy. Accuracy, zero through ten, country music. Here's the problem.

As we'll go through, you're close to right or half right on a lot of things, but not quite. So I've got to go seven. Seven. Damn. I know i i'm kind of way too generous some of our guests put the answers in here like you did and i was reading the answers and i think you were very generous yes but i'll explain why he's close and okay you know shockingly close. How do you do on confidence? I mean, that was 10 all the way through. He wasn't wavering at all in those answers.

That was a 20. So 7 and 10, that's 17. Are you hungry, Forrest? No, I'm not very hungry. That's because you filled up on an iced coffee. It's very filling. I'm very tired. I always burp those back up.

Minus 3. I think I may make you Merle Haggard, which I think is the best Merle anyways. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. I got to go minus 10. Merle Haggard, I'm not very tired. I always burp those back up. Minus three. I think I may make you Merle Haggard, which I think is the best Merle anyways. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. I got to go minus 10. Merle Haggard. All right.

Where did country music come from, Eugene? Jim said the hearts and minds of white men in the South. That's an answer. Again, I mean, it's not completely correct, but it's also there's some truth to that. Now, oddly enough, you touched upon this earlier in the show. The answer is from the Southern and southwestern states of America, which aren't located precisely in the south or the south, but

essentially, yeah. So we're talking about really the agrarian states, most of them in the south and towards the west and southwest like Texas and outward that way. And is it an American thing or did it organically happen in other countries? It is specifically an American thing. And I'll give you a little more background on the next question here countries uh it is an it is it is specifically an american thing

uh and i'll give you a little more background on the on the next question here but it is a specific american form so what makes a country song different from a rock or blues song again they share a lot of the same instruments you see you brushed upon that too uh they share a lot of the same scales and yeah there you go even just that two-beat bass line right there exists, that you just exist in other forms of music. So they share the same scales, same progressions, music is very similar. However, I would think that the narrative tradition

in the songs are what make country, country. The fact that you actually tell usually a very detailed story. In blues, you can kind of use platitudes, like I woke up this morning, blah, blah, blah. I woke up this, you can kind of use cliches, if you will, morning blah blah i woke up this you can kind of use cliches if you will and it relies on that tradition but in country music it's usually got to be a pretty specific story being told that's because it's taken from mostly the english and scots irish ballads from the old country that were brought here to the appalachians in the south oh so it comes from like all the sort of Celtic-y type of music. Exactly.

Usually ballads telling about the heroic feats of some person of lore or some tragic tale. So a lot of murder ballads, a lot of killing going on. All this stuff was, or a lot of people were dying for Ireland in a lot of those songs. Sunday, buddy, Sunday. That's a more modern, yes. Yeah, sure. I like a good narrative song. I should probably like country music. I like Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. That's a more modern, yes, yeah, sure. I like a good narrative song. I should probably like country music.

I like Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. That's a great example. That's my favorite narrative song. That's a great example. It literally just tells you the whole story. It's like,

and then the ship went out and it was too heavy and they said, we can't eat dinner tonight. That's paraphrasing. So while the part about being with your sister, maybe not quite on the nose there.

You can marry your cousin, though. Will? Sure. That was rock and roll did that more, though. I just watched a doco on Elvis and all of these 13-year-olds. All those 13-year-olds? It wasn't just Priscilla. But I will say this.

None of them seem to be angry with him. They're all like 70-year-old women who are just like, well, that was Elvis. That's how he was. I just told this joke to Jack the other night. What was Jerry Lee Lewis's favorite chord? The minor relative. I was going to say B minor, but I didn't make really sense.

F minor is the alternate answer to that. F minor. There you go. What instruments are in country music? alternate answer to that. F minor, there you go. What instruments are in country music? Jim's like guitars, washboard, one string bass, jug, and mouth organ. Although those are pretty close. Yeah, those are really rustic rural versions of a few things, but certainly guitars, both acoustic and electric.

See, he's right there. The one string bass, I think it's really the upright bass we originally saw. Yeah, but I'm talking like going way back. Yeah, that's what we call old time music. I'm not going to use one of those curly double basses. I got my string and a stick. Most significantly in the beginning, it was the fiddle. The fiddle, banjos, steel guitars, which are played on the lap with a steel bar. Like an Atlanta with the fiddle.

Charlie Puth. What's his name? fiddle. Yeah. Charlie Puth. What's his name? What's his name? Charlie Puth? No, he's the guy that the devil went down to Georgia. Oh, Charlie Daniels. Charlie Daniels. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, the fiddle. In fact, there's a story. Charlie Daniels tells a story about meeting Ishak Perlman, the famous Israeli classical violinist. And I think Perlman says something like, I hear you're a violinist. And Charlie Daniels said, I'm a fiddle player. And Perlman said something like i hear you're a you're a violinist and and charlie daniel said i'm i'm a fiddle player and perlman said we're all fiddle players it's the same instrument i don't know what the difference is it's just nomenclature yeah the

bridge is different it's flatter on a fiddle there's something about being a fiddle player that would probably get you laid more than a violinist though something more macho about it wow maybe oh look, hey. Depends who you're going for, I guess. Yeah. Devil Went Down to Georgia. That's like one of the all-time greats. It's fantastic.

Yeah, yeah. I'm saying it's macho. But a very romantic classical piece played as violin, that might... And they get a narrative. It's all narratives. I get it. It's always a story.

Right? Yeah, yeah. Just catch him on. I got it. I got it. What was Michael Jackson's favorite instrument? The fiddle. Oh, God.

I can't do these jokes. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Why are most country songs two or three verses long? Jim said there's a beginning, a middle, and an end. Your wife leaves you. She comes back.

Yada, yada. Okay. Again, check me on this, guys. I think he's kind of, you're on to something. Now, this is going back to- You got a seven. Well, in the 1920s, when they started recording this music, finally, it was being cut straight to disc, right?

Razor disc? CD? Well, not quite. No, it was more like a lathe. It was actually a piece of wax or- Oh, you mean like a thing to go into a gramophone, like a circular tube? You got it. Oh, okay.

You got it. And as they're playing into a horn or a microphone, those vibrations are being transduced to a machine that's etching it into a disc. Now, I'm sorry. The disc is, it can only take so many minutes of information. So again, remember, a lot of these songs were old Scots-Irish ballads, like 15, 17, 20 verses, because they're from a time when no one had electricity

or any way to entertain themselves. So, hey, do us a song, and you could take like half an hour doing a story song entertain everybody on the porch well not everyone not everyone yes someone's gonna slip out at some point so fuck he's doing this song yeah he did this one last week buddy rerunning it got any more stories so so now they're they're gonna go into recording for the first time to do all this old-time music, and the guy running it, mostly a guy named Ralph Pierce, says, you're going to have to shorten that. So now all of a sudden, what was a 15-verse song has got to be maybe two, three, four? And you had to get the story, the beginning, middle, and end. You had to get this thing truncated in a big, big way.

So our modern song forms really are to accommodate the technology and it started back there in the in the in the 20s but now that we have longer technology yeah because i can see this even go okay do you remember like i think like i think it was mozart or whatever there was like or the beethoven's eighth ninth or whatever is the reason that cds are a certain length because whoever was making it was like beethoven's eighth ninth or whatever is the reason that cds are a certain length because whoever was making it was like yeah that's that's as long as song i know yeah that was it was a bit yeah there was there was some sort of lore that that they use a classical music piece to like how long can we go and they've tried to find something it was very long but it's

now that we have the technology goes long because now it's all on Spotify, let's say, right? There's no limit. But our appetite for a song, when we think of a song, it's really not going to be more than that. Isn't that funny, though? Because going through the 70s and everybody, like Pog Rock and stuff like that, and bands like Yes that were just doing these long, or the Grateful Dead jamming for fucking ever, and all that stuff.

And now it's like we can do that stuff as long as we want, and we've got the attention span of a minute and a half. Right. Well, no, let me – you're right. This seems ironic. However, don't forget, we essentially listen to all music now on demand, meaning – so we play it right in front. So we hear songs from the very beginning now, right?

As we're used to, like, tuning halfway through a song sometimes on a radio station and that part had to be just as catchy as the beginning or the middle. Well, now a lot of modern songs like all the information is in the first,

they've got five seconds to keep you or you're going to move on. So again, not only the song- I fuck my sister. Yeah. I'm in. Jim's in. And now you're like,

oh, what's he talking about? Yeah. Yeah, I read an article about how, why Post Malone became as famous as he did and it's in and now you're like oh what's he talking about yeah yeah I read I read an article about how why Post Malone became as famous as he did and it's because

he put like the chorus at the beginning yeah that was like one of the things it was like the hook

was right there at the beginning that's a great example most songs do that now the Beatles did that and a lot of country artists did that it's been a hard

day's night yeah you start off with exactly so it's always been there you know yeah why is the hub of country artists did that. It's been a hard day's night. Yeah, you can start off with a... Exactly. So it's always been there, you know. Yeah. Why is the hub of country music in national, Jim says, because most hats and boots.

Yeah, a lot of hats and boots, man. Grand Ole Opry, too. Well, merchandising and marketing has a lot to do with the answer. Again, that's why I feel like he's so close. A couple of things. Well, certainly the Ryman Auditorium being there and the Grand Ole Opry essentially become the most famous and largest broadcast of country music across the early part of the 20th century they had a huge signal so that WMS was the name of the station and they could be heard from like really across the country so and that was based in Nashville also a publishing

company called company called Acuff Rose established itself there, and it just sort of, it was like the publishing part of it and the Ryman Auditorium, the Grand Ole Opry, started drawing people there, starting in the early 40s. Now, music, there were, gosh,

Hank Williams Sr. had recorded in Cincinnati. There were other towns with studios and stuff, but eventually it really starts to draw towards Nashville by the 40s. And it feels like Nashville now is not just country music. There's a lot of rock music and stuff going. It just feels like the hub for music. Is that correct, or is it still mostly country? It's still mostly country. It's still mostly country. Now, of course, modern country does incorporate rock and even hip-hop and a lot of things, so there's an audience for pretty much anything in Nashville. That's true. A lot of modern countries always talking about like uh like

save a horse ride a cowboy or whiskey gets me liquor and me like that one whiskey whiskey makes my girl baby feel a little bit something yeah yeah they're all about it's all about fucking luke bryan yeah it's all about, it's all about, Jabba the Cock, he got no time to lose. I don't think all of it is. I like Sturgill Simpson. He's like modern. I don't know who Sturgill is,

but no one's fucking a guy called Sturgill. No, I think so. He's very popular. He got married first, then he became a cartoon star. Yeah, he's a very popular star. Yeah, he did the right math. He was my top artist this year on Spotify. Yeah, he's really good. He got married first, then he became a country artist. Yeah, he's very popular. He did the right math. He was my top artist this year on Spotify. He's really good.

Was he? He sings a lot about tripping, well, that first album, like drugs and tripping and having no religion and getting into psychedelics. He opened for us the first time he went on the road. He opened for us on tour, and so I got to know him quite a bit before he broke uh big but you know he had served a time in the military so he does write very detailed music about like a lot of the men and women that have served in afghanistan

talking about taking drugs for the ptsd and yeah yeah so he's really he's really on top he's really on top of what's happening in modern americans lives in a very detailed way and so that's what makes him pretty special. Isn't there a story? So there was one year he didn't get nominated. His album was like the top selling. It didn't get nominated. And then he bust outside of the- Yeah, he wasn't invited into the awards ceremony at all.

So he just stood outside and opened his guitar case and just bust. Well, I basically did that at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. As a pro. Is that how you got in? Yeah, yeah. I went and played the biggest fucking theater because they wouldn't have me in the program.

Go fuck yourself. You know who I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. I like Stroll the biggest fucking theater because they wouldn't have me in the program. Go fuck yourself. You know who I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah, I like Sturluson. He's really... Coming to get you. There's a lot of country artists. I like the guy that's on Yellowstone.

What's his name? Kevin Costner. Ryan Bingham. Oh, yeah. Great songwriter. There's a lot for everybody in country music, and there always has been, but continue, sir. Do other countries have country music?

Jim said Australia, England. There's one book three books eastern europe new zealand and africa well again he australia for sure now i would say there's two other countries that significantly have uh their own country artists and they're both large agrarian and english speaking versus australia the other would be canada uh and that was the same of course of course Canada that's like how I had to say New Zealand has it like if Australia has it New Zealand has it is Keith Urban from New Zealand

or Australia originally Keith is Australian and he's married to Nicole no I'm aware that's Australian royalty but you answered differently I said is he from New Zealand

or from Australia you said he's Australian I believe he's from Australia but I don't know much about the guy. I like Slim Dusty. I know you do. Do you remember Lee Kernighan? Lee Kernighan? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We toured with him when we were there. He was a big artist, Lee Kernighan. You have Olivia Newton-John on your list. What about John Williamson? John Williamson? Very good, yeah. That's my father's favorite artist is John Williamson. Oh, sure.

You grew up hearing a lot of his records. Yeah, I don't mind at all if you call me a mallee boy well i've ripped and dug out burrows on a furry boax hill eradicating rabbits doesn't take a lot of skill and that's all like that little country towns in australia and stuff like that detailed narratives yeah detailed narratives and uh and he sang true blue was he was his big. But my father will go seize him every time he plays the local RSL or whatever. My dad puts aside 150 bucks to get a John Williams. It might be less, actually, but he goes along and sees him by himself. If no one will go with him, he fucking loves it.

But yeah, when Olivia Newton-John first broke here in the States, she broke as a country singer. Physical, physical. This is before that. I tried to think of it as physical. But this is why. I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable. That's Peter Allen.

She had a big hit with that. Notice in the movie Grease, when she has her solo spot, when she sings Hopelessly Devoted to You, you hear pedal steel guitars. It's like a country band. I always liked that about Grease, that they had an Australian lead. I thought that was wonderful. And they sort of just go, oh, me parents didn't want to go home.

We're just here. They cover it pretty quickly. Okay, well, let's not ask any more questions. And every time I go for an audition, can you do the American accent for us, please? And I was like, I just did it. What was the Dust Bowl and how did it affect country music? Jim said it was the fanciest restaurant in Tennessee.

Partner got her boob job there because she ate the biggest sub sandwich or something. I don't know. Here, he's 100% wrong. I mean, you're as wrong as one could be. As well as some of the others, you were partially. No, and I think the fact that you were in Oklahoma and stopped at a Cracker Barrel

probably influenced your answer. I didn't stop at a Cracker Barrel. I stopped at Reba's. Reba's, that's right. I'm sorry. Reba's Restaurant. They stopped at a Cracker Barrel probably influenced your answer. I didn't stop at a Cracker Barrel. I stopped at Reba's. Reba's, that's right. Reba's Restaurant. I stopped at her restaurant. Okay, I'm low on that. She comes and talks to you and she makes you go in there and you're going to get yourself a hamburger.

A cherry coke. Cherry coke hamburger. Yeah, cherry coke cheeseburger. And there's just Reba's playing all the time. Is it good? Oh, it's real good. Fried green tomatoes. Fried green tomatoes. Yeah, fried green tomatoes good. Fried green tomatoes. Fried green tomatoes.

Yeah, fried green tomatoes. Why would life be without four green tomatoes? What about John Denver? Does he ever slip in? Thank God I'm a country boy. Well, yes, he did. Actually, somewhat controversially. So one year, 1974, I'm guessing, he won Country Artist of the Year.

And a guy named Charlie Rich, who's a Memphis musician, he was the one who's reading the award. And he opens the envelope, and you can look, this is a very famous clip, and he pulls it and he looks at it. And before he says anything out loud, he takes his lighter and lights it on fire and says, John Denver, and tosses it. John Denver was accepting remotely somewhere, but it was like a bit of a protest. But what are you getting into John Denver for? Well, I think at this point, there's always been a divide on whether an artist is authentic or not. This has been going on since the beginning of country music. His name's Denver.

Well, not, that's a strange name. I know, it's Dusseldorf. But I think, yeah, it is something pretty. Yeah, it's German. So there's, so anyway, it was just a matter of people just didn't think he was authentically country. He just, I know, I know. I know. I know. Yeah, same way Kanye protested Taylor Swift. What about on Grandma's feather bed?

It was five feet wide, six feet tall. Soft as a downy spread. It was made from the sheep of four leather feet. Come on, get the fuck out of here. If you told me you were making that up right now, I'd believe you. We didn't get much sleep, but we had a lot of fun on Grandma's feather bed. Like they did on the Muppets.

Don't come down to me on accuracy. The guy's just quoting lyrics. He's reading them off like Shakespeare. This is his trick. This is what he does. Dust Bowl. We haven't even talked about the Dust Bowl. Sorry, the Dust Bowl was the result.

Thank God I'm a country boy. Well, I got me a fine off. I got an old fiddle. A lot of sun's coming up. Got a cake down the griddle. It's so sweet for this episode. Life ain't better than a funny, dutty riddle. Let's mute his mic.

Thank God I'm a country boy. Okay, so the Dust Bowl was something that happened during the 30s mostly, and it was an ecological and agricultural disaster, basically, right? So there's just not – winds are blowing. It's just awful. And all these folks in these states, in these southern states, in the plains states they cannot feed themselves they can't make a go of it so they have to move western westward mostly in

california where we could grow crops so these folks uh a lot of them are from oklahoma uh texas all these places but they all became just known as okies so tom j Jode, Grapes of Wrath, a lot of that literature is about that time in American history. YMCA, the village people. No. With a country. No.

Go west, life is peaceful there. Go west. Can I change the score to a six? Covered, covered, covered by the other country band,

the Pet Shop Boys. Okay. I think just, just because. I have a soft spot for the Pet Shop Boys. That's a good act, actually. Yeah, I'd like to see them in concert. It's one of those things that when they come on the radio, I go, those songs are good.

I've never bought an album, but I'm always, whenever I hear them, I'm happy. I never switched the station. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? You never shut it off with Pet Shop Boys. I have to admit. Yeah, again. You were always on my mind.

So when these- Yeah, they go for it when all this all these folks moved uh to california basically for work they brought their music with them their instruments and and their their stories and so this starts to have an influence on music on the west coast and that's the bakersfield sound right not 13 different at once musicians yeah that was yeah you were you're very wrong there why you're wrong is because i disagree yeah that's fair enough um the bakersfield sound is a very hard driving country based in honky-tonk which is kind of a pared down version so it's not fancy uh in in the 30s and 40s

there was like western swing was kind of like a jazz version of country music and they had tons of horns it was a big band and after world World War II, mostly, those bands shrunk, as they did in jazz and other idioms. So honky-tonk music is usually just kind of like one guitar, maybe one fiddle, bass, drums, a singer. It's very, very pared down. And it's very hard driving, a lot of drums. It's a hard...

And in Bakersfield, especially in that time, when you're playing the bars there, it's a lot of smash bottles and bloody lips right it's a pretty it's a pretty hard life there so you got to play really loud and you got to keep it really simple so there's not as really isn't any jazz influence anymore it's much more a blues based electric sound that's the bakersfield sound like the movie from clint eastwood honky tonk man which, yeah, that's a Johnny Horton song. But yeah, that's-

Throw your arms around this honky tonk man. And then he coughs blood up into a tissue all the time. I haven't seen that movie since I was a kid. It was just one of those ones that used to show up on the TV. You're like in Australia, you go, I've got three channels. I'm watching the Honky Tonk Man. Again. That movie's That movie's

Based on Hank Williams Sr.'s life It's not Accurate in any way It's just kind of It's kind of a riff Off of Hank Williams So Hank Williams

Didn't have a chimp That rode alongside him No he did not That's a That is a different Same era though Same era He did Honky Tonk Man

And then he did the one Where the chimp Slapped him all the time Any which way but loose Any which way but loose Any which way you can Any which way but loose. Any which way but loose. Any which way you can. Any which way but loose. You turn me, baby, it's no excuse.

It's actually an orangutan, if I may. Yeah, it's a clock-fly. There's still monkeys. Set him straight. Back to, down to a five. They're actually great apes. Do you know that's the derogatory term for redheads in Australia that's socially acceptable? You guys know because I've said that.

Yeah. Ranga. Gotcha. If you go, bloody ranga came over. It's talking about a redhead you can do that that's the you can just you can do that just out in public and no one will let you do it yeah but but you're not you're not allowed to have guns there so see how it ah so the rangers can't rise up yep yeah exactly like the movie Planet of the Rangers. The sequel to Fight for Sunscreen. That'd be a funny movie, Bill.

The Rangers are trying to kill the sun so they stop getting burns. Yeah. The fourth movie, Shade. What are some famous country venues? Jim said the Ryman. Then he also said the Tamworth in Australia. I don't know the venue, but Tamworth is the home of country music in Australia. Yeah, and there's a huge guitar station.

They built a hard rock there. Actually, the hard rock ripped them off. We had the guitar before them, I think. It's been there for a long time. Who knows? Who knows? First of all, yes, the Rymanato term, for sure. So you're right there. There's an old dance ballroom in Tulsa called Kane's, Kane's Ballroom.

They still do big- With the chicken. Yeah, there you go. So that was a classic. I love the chicken. That's a Western swing band's play there all the time. Very influential place. There's a place in Dallas called Gillies where they filmed Urban Cowboy, the movie.

Also, there was a place in North Hollywood on Lancashire called the Palomino. And it's gone now, but that's where they filmed a lot of those bar fights in the Clint Eastwood movies were filmed there. Is it not there anymore? No, no, no. Where was the rhinestone cowboy? Like a rhinestone cowboy. I love that one. It was a good one.

If that one comes on the radio, I'm tuning in as well. It very rarely shows up, but I'm going to put that in me. Who sings that? Glen Campbell. Glen Campbell. Great song. I love that one. That was a good one. If that one comes to the radio, I'm tuning in as well. Very rarely shows up, but I'm going to put that in me. Who sings that? Glen Campbell. Glen Campbell. Great song. I know the song. Yeah, I just didn't know the song.

What about, what about, everybody's talking at me. Is that classified as country? No. That's a beautiful song. That's a beautiful song. That's Harry Nilsson. Harry Nilsson. It's a song by Harry Nilsson written by a guy named Fred Neal.

Dolphins. Sorry? Doesn't he have a song. Dolphins. I'm sorry? Doesn't he have a song Dolphins, Fred Neal? Maybe. You got me there. I know that song. Because you're from Florida.

Yeah, we played it at my mom's. We spread my mom's ashes. She loved it. We put it on. Way to bring that up. Thanks, Eugene. He always finds a way

to work that in. Why don't you just say when did your mom die and bloody get done with it? I didn't mean it on porpoise. Yeah, now. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I got that guy he's not just that guy he's a chimp

Fred Neal recorded the song first all I know is he lived the end of his life in the Florida Keys where my mom lived and so there was a song called The Dolphins where he's looking at these dolphins. It's really kind of trippy. It's a cool song. I'll have to look it up.

I didn't even know you were going to mention it for right now. Just like, oh, dolphins. I just go, dolphins. Sorry. This is what he does. Yeah. This is what he does. He throws up things that he knows.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's his little trick. Yeah. But I'm proud to say I played in Tamworth and those parts of Australia when we went on tour. Did you go to Dubbo? I don't know if I went to Dubbo. Tamworth was significant. But going up to that part of Australia,

we're on the northeastern side of it. It is very Texan. Oh, you mean up near Cairns and Port Douglas and all that type of stuff? Yeah, we went all the way to the top. And it was, I mean, we had a blast. It's beautiful. Yeah, but it was very much like Texas.

Oh, it's rough. Even the gigs. Outdoors, a lot of cattle, a blast. It's beautiful. Yeah, but it was very much like Texas. Oh, it's rough. Even the gigs. Outdoors, a lot of cattle, a lot of livestock going on. Well, I come from Queensland stock. I come from a town called Roma. My father grew up there. But my grandfather was a homeless teenager who went on to be a cattle auctioneer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and he used to go, come over here. We've got this bull. We've got this bull over here. We've got this thing like that. was a homeless like teenager right who went on to be a cattle auctioneer okay yeah yeah he said

come over here we got this bull we got this bull over here we got this thing like that he was actually my step-grandfather but i used to think that cunt was cool as fuck and he was like a proper queenslander and then like he was like he was like you know when like so so if someone was rude to him he would say like you know when, like, so if someone was rude to him, he would say, like, you know when people call racism about, oh, they don't like me because I'm a blah, blah, blah, right? Yeah. He would say that about being a Queenslander. Oh, the problem is that bloke doesn't like Queenslanders.

Hmm. Like, you're not wearing a Queensland t-shirt. You're still just a white guy. Bloody doesn't like fucking Queenslanders. Don't go in there. Did you tour Australia with Dwight Yoakam? Yeah. Wait, he was in Sling Blade, right?

Yes, sir. He's a good actor. Does he still act? Yeah. It's hard to act, though, with the old Turing. Yeah, it's tough to split the time. It's hard to split the time. I was pretty sure that's what I was asking,

but yeah, he was awesome in that movie. I mean, he was terrible. That terrible person, but he was really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why were the 1927 Bristol sessions significant? Okay, so now it was integrated though, so you're right. That's not why it was significant.

Mate, that might not be significant to you, but it's significant to me. It says a lot about you. If you don't think that was significant in the 1920s, then sir, you're not welcome on this podcast again. Sacred ground here. I don't know about that. Oh, it was the bringing in of the fiddle. But I appreciate that you mentioned that though no the bristol sessions in 1927 uh was essentially a guy named uh ralph pierre who was making records and selling them

and usually just hitting markets just that part of this state this music does well here this music does well there and he's kind of just looking for more artists that are doing this old-time music right that's never been recorded before so a musician he knows says you should set up in Bristol, which is a town right on the edge of Tennessee and Virginia. So you can cross the river and go somewhere. And he set up an old hat shop and he kind of, he actually hid the equipment behind a curtain, realizing a lot of people never seen this gear before. And he doesn't want them to be nervous. So there's just a microphone and people came from all over he put out an ad to come and you know make some records and because this one guy he had he had recorded again this 1927 had earned thirty six hundred dollars the previous year so they put that in the present

because that's four times the national average at the time that's massive yeah so people came from all over just get here if you can and bring your music with you so people came from all over. Just get here if you can and bring your music with you. So people came from all these rural places and did a lot of these songs recorded for the first time. So that's significant there. And that we're actually getting this massive collection of music from all over the place from, because up until then it's just Caruso and a few things that are on records. Right.

It's like, but this is actually the music that people are actually living with day to day being on record for the first time. Two acts come out of this, Jimmy Rogers and the Carter family. Those are the most, those are the big commercial breaks for those two acts. And they go on to actually dominate the rest of country music.

And Jimmy Rogers pretty, pretty much exemplifies the, the lone drifter kind of the, you know, the guy on his own and the Carter family, it'd be, it's two women and a guy, they represent the domestic and tranquility and home and tradition and stuff. So those two archetypes are just like

created right there. Lightning strikes twice in August of 1927. So we're really coming up on the 100th anniversary of country music as we know it because of the Bristol Sessions. Darrell Bock Is that June Carter from that family? Darrell Bock Yes. Yes. Yeah. She's the daughter of... I'm going to get the lineage incorrect. Yeah, she's one of the daughters. That woman swallowed some average cum in a day. Was that...

She was married to Johnny Cash. No, I know. Oh, okay. Yeah. What? You really want to let loose on Johnny Cash, right? Hold on. We're almost there.

She must have had some disappointing fucks in a day. June Carter. What? Well, I'm going to come now. What instrument made its first appearance on the Webb Pierce record slowly in 1954? You said the electric guitar. Although it was electric guitar, it was the pedal steel guitar. Yeah, but that's...

That's what you meant. That's a given. So when you hear it, you know it. So in the early part of the 1900s, there was a big Hawaiian music craze. In 1900, we annexed Hawaii. I'm into Hawaiian music. I love Hawaiian music. I've heard you speak about it.

It's like almost country music. I love it. I love it. I find it very peaceful. And then sometimes I have it when I just need to calm down. I have it in things. I like it. And then I like watching it in the little slide thing with a finger and all that type

of stuff, right? I love it. I love a ukulele. If you give me a fat man, I'll listen to you. I don't know if they're not fat. Yeah, no, but I like the fat Hawaiian playing the ukulele. He's dead. No, but there's several of them.

There's more. Every time I'm out of Luau, there's a fat fuck playing the ukulele, right? Now, this is the thing about the fat playing the ukulele. Surely, they should be double bass players. Why are they this big and they've gone, make an instrument that makes me look larger? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like the size of their calf, you know? Oh shit, my guitar shrunk. So, so the, so the Hawaiians had taken the Spanish steel guitar as we knew it, and they put it on their lap and there was,

you know, and started playing it with a piece of metal or bar. And this became very popular in the States. Really popular. So, and country music is always absorbing whatever's going on. It's always updating itself. So it had a lot of lap steel, the slide on there.

But in the 50s, they started trying to get these gadgets there where only one or two strings would move as opposed to all of them at the same time. So we heard the pedal steel played exquisitely by a guy named Bud Isaacs on this record, Slowly by Webb Pierce. And people who had been playing Sly Guitar, they heard this record and said, wait a minute. He's holding a chord. I hear that.

And I'm hearing only a couple of strings move at the same time. That's not right. So it started this kind of like scramble. How do you do that? So it moves the strings, the pedal? Yes. When you press down on a pedal, it actually, there's a lever that pulls the string tighter. So it pulls it kind of like scramble. How do you do that? So it moves the strings, the pedal? Yes. When you press down on a pedal, it actually, there's a lever that pulls the string tighter,

so it pulls it up in pitch. And this is how we get these crazy sounds. But very much like the human voice, right? It's very smooth, very languid, and that's why you listen to it to relax after your rants about Johnny Cash. I find it very relaxing. Yeah. I love it.

It's summer, and if the sun's setting, it's the best music that can be played. But, okay. The last time we were there, I went to the luau with Orlando and Vanessa, I love it it's summer and it's the sun setting it's the best music that can be played but okay the last the last time we were there I went to the luau with Orlando and Vanessa and

I wish I knew what the band the band that was there because they were just like playing in the sunset that is like a memory that is lodged in my brain

it's just that band playing with the sun setting and I had a drink and I was like this is awesome this is living it's like now I'll say that in my hometown of Yuma, Arizona a lot of people shout out to Yuma the sun setting and I had a drink and I was like, this is awesome.

Now I'll say that in my hometown of Yuma, Arizona, a lot of people, shout out to Yuma. Thank you so much. Um, there's a lot of people, uh, older people,

uh, go there during the winter. Shout out to the old people in Yuma. That's right. Because of the weather. And there was, and Bud Isaacs, uh,

would, uh, spend his winters there. So I got to meet him and know him because he would, he would hang out. The guy that played on that original record. Why would he spend winter there? You like the snow?

No, because in Yuma, it's extremely hot and dry all the time. So you like the heat? You know where Yuma is? No. It's the southwestern corner of the state. It's way down there. Oh, it's Arizona.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bloody hot in Arizona. Very sweet man. 310. No snow down there. 310. You got a 10.

310. I like that one. That's Crowey, isn't it? Yeah, Crow's in there10 310 that's that's Crowey isn't it yeah Crow's in there actually

the remake is better than the original that was an old terrible western

don't bother it's Christian Bale Ben Foster that's good

good cast anyone notice that they've brought out this on Hulu this is just a little

sidetrack they've brought out like the movie Australia the Baz L the movie Australia, the Baz Luhrmann movie Australia, with Hugh Jackman and Nicole Kidman, lots of stuff.

And then it was like a six-part series. I thought to myself, geez, it looks like the movie Australia, but I'll watch it because it's something different. This is a killer, Ben Mendelsohn and all this other stuff. I thought, I'll watch this. And I watched it and it starts off and there's an actor on it that's been dead since 2011

and I'm like hang on a minute it turns out it's just the movie Australia because Baz Loman had so much footage he's like hey remember that movie

that no one really liked that I made writers I mean the writers and actors strike yeah they're putting off they do that on Netflix

I've got so much extra footage so how about we watch this he cut it and reordered it, right? I'd love to be in a Baz Luhrmann movie. If you want to do a movie that's just Elvis' last day, I'm your guy. And you're going method, right? You're going method? Oh, he'll go method.

Oh, yeah. That's the whole point. It's the last day. A lot of it's on the toilet, right? It's just him getting up you could do it you could do it as a play on stage because he hasn't leave his room yeah give me another peanut butter and a jelly sandwich give me give me peanut butter banana peanut fried sandwich oh thank you thank you very much oh i gotta go do another shit oh it's not coming out come on there's the

foreshadowing right there come on come. Come on. Where's my gun? Somebody. Somebody. Somebody. Somebody. Put on that guy that goes dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum. He'll help me shit. All right.

Good segue. What was the outlaw movement and who were some of the prominent artists? The Highwaymen were Willie Nelson, Chris Christopherson. Are we redoing this show? Yeah, but the Highwaymen were Willie Nelson, Chris Christopherson. Are we redoing this show? Yeah, but the Highwaymen were a different thing, right? Chris Christopherson, Willie Nelson, and the bloke who sang the theme song from the Dukes of Hazzard. Waylon Jennings. Waylon Jennings, who also

incidentally was one of the critics, crickets, for Buddy Holly. How is an Australian can't say the word cricket? How is it in my whole life I can't say the word cricket? How is it in my whole life I can't say the word cricket all of a sudden? That's great.

That's great. So the outlaw movement was essentially a bunch of rebellious artists coming out of the late 60s. They were kind of just, they wanted more artistic freedom than the Nashville establishment

was allowing them. Waylon Jennings, Waylon's a great example. He's doing records that Nashville and the producers wanted him to do with orchestration and background vocals. But he's on the road with just his guys doing this lean stuff, and it's killing. It's killing live. Then he goes to make a record, and they want to make these records that don't sound like

him, and they don't sell well. So he, Willie Nelson, Jesse Colder, there's certain artists that they want to do things their own way. Say it. Awesome. And at that point, Johnny Cash, honestly. Hey, guys, I've got a new gimmick. I'm going to walk out and say hello and then say my name next.

I'll say, hello, Johnny Cash. And people are like, that sounds stupid. I'll put an I, Johnny Cash. And people are like, that sounds stupid. I'll put an I'm in there. It'll never work, Johnny. No, it's gonna be, it's gonna, the crowds are gonna go crazy.

Hello, I'm Johnny Cash. It's not quite working. What if I wear a black shirt? That's an adjustment. Oh, I didn't know about all the showmanship, Johnny, you fucking loser. Okay, so yes, Johnny Cash at this point has established country artists,

but Nashville, they're not serving him well. So he too kind of is part of this. June, I need to ejaculate. Come and help me. No, it's passed. Small window That's what he used to call downstairs for June Now here's where

You had some accuracy in your answer though by the way June had a small van No the legalization of weed Although it wasn't legal One of the not the uh not talked about splits in nashville in the 60s was mostly nashville's mostly a trucker speed town at the time everyone's on uppers artists that was johnny cash's uh jones right was like speed pills and stuff what so this was him on fucking working fast was it no i've just taken some speed. I can talk slower for you if you like.

You know me. Whiz, whiz, whiz. There's no way around this. I mean, there's no way around this. He really hates this guy. But like Willie Nelson obviously was a weed smoker. Like any guy who can rock some plats. Yeah.

You know what those mean no yeah the braids oh you call them plats we call them braids you're plating someone's

I was trying to figure out what it was yeah so anyway that's the pigtails that's the outlaw Eugene just wants to

stop talking about that no no no you're not allowed to talk about Johnny Cash no you are that's his thing he's even wearing black uh i'm wearing black okay what was he hog jim said a type of chocolate milk competing against you who very wrong it was an american tv show it's a variety show and it's great and you can't just and it was uh based on rowan and martin's

laugh in so just rapid fire jokes all the time just oh yes it's based on Rowan and Martin's laugh-ins. So it's just rapid-fire jokes all the time. Ah, yes, yes, yes. But corny as hell. Just corny. Really corny. I liked the show when I was a kid, though. It was corny. Yeah, because we did a segment called Cornfield, and it was corny jokes, and they'd pop out

of a cornfield, say a corny joke, and go back down. Yeah. This thing ran from 1969 to 1992. Yeah. And it was syndicated everywhere. And it's where you would see but they would have they would have country music it'd be lip sync but you'd see country artists every week right so it's a very popular show and uh it was hosted by well the significant years were hosted by buck

owens and roy clark and uh it was known for its yeah it's very corny humor but uh and voluptuous scantily clad women known as the get us a photo yeah yeah i remember that they'd have like the tie like the they were known as the hee haw i i'll say i'll say i i say i say i say um country uh outfits yeah yeah that's the one that's the that's the outfit you see the hee haw what they call the hee haw honeys yeah's. There was one the other day. Was this the show that had the spinoff for that sitcom, Mama's Hat?

No, that was a spinoff from the Carol Burnett show. Oh, it was? Yeah. I thought she was in Hee Haw, though. Oh, I'm sure

Vicki Lawrence showed up. My brain just like mashed that together. They bound to show up. I think, because she had the hat with the tag. You're thinking of Minnie Pearl.

Oh, God, yeah, Minnie Pearl. Minnie Pearl, who got her start in the, she, a member of the hat with the tag. You're thinking of Minnie Pearl. Oh, God, yeah. Minnie Pearl. Minnie Pearl. Who got her started? Minnie Pearl. She was a member of the Grand Ole Opry. Now, her real name, and I don't have it written down there, I remember her middle name was Ophelia.

It's a lovely lady, born into a very wealthy family outside of Nashville. Her father owned a timber company. Sarah Ophelia Colley Cannon. There you go. And she wanted to be an actress, but she wasn't a classic beauty, and so she kind of came up with this character that would talk about her hometown. And she actually just kind of picked up on people she was around and their stories. And she reflected it back with very, very self-deprecating humor.

So, of course, that made her very, very accepted by the folks. Yeah, I liked her. She was great. She was beloved by all. Did you check them out, Jim? No, I'm trying to find. There was three country western singers that were sisters that are coming up at the moment.

The Mandrell sisters. Is that the one? It just slipped into my feed, and I was like, No, the Castellos. The Castellos. Oh, I'm not aware. Google the Castellos first. Google the Castellos.

I think they're like 20-something TikTok sensations. Oh, I'm sorry. Google the Castellos I think they're like 20 something TikTok sensations Oh I'm sorry they're brand new Yeah brand new These three sisters up to no good Yeah They seem like fine upstanding women Oh no they're very good

They're classy girls they don't slut it up or anything They're good the Castello girls But it just showed up in me feed they're just hello girls but it just showed up in my feed like it just came through like you might like this and i went i don't like country music and then i'm like now i do i do like blonde women and daisy dukes yeah so you're halfway there daisy dukes okay the the daisy dukes the plaid tied up thing that's what he has and a pair and a pair of cow boots. Well done, country. Yeah.

More than any other music genre. See, like, I'm a rock guy, but the rock and roll girl with the black thing, it's not as fun as the Daisy Dukes. They're just the napkin. You know the one? Just a piece of gingham. They've just found a bit of gingham. Yeah, they've gone for it.

The owner of an Italian restaurant going, what the, what happened to all my? The Cassowells have just been in here we've lost all of our tablecloths what Buck Owen song was covered

by the Beatles not Kansas City that was a good guest a good one that's a Wilbur Harris tune although they're

covering kind of and a little bit of Little Richard mixing that one no Act Naturally was a big hit it was a number

one hit for Buck Owens in 1964, and only a year later, the Beatles do it for the UK version of the Help album. Of course, Ringo sang it, and he sang it. He did a great job. They adored Buck Owens.

He did a good job of it. It's one of the most average singing performances. Wait, what song is Act Naturally? They're gonna put me in the movies. They're gonna make a big star out of me. They're gonna put me in the movies. They're going to make a big star out of me. They're going to put me in the movies. All I have to do is act naturally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was long. Huh. All right. What is a nudie suit? Nudie, nudie, nudie, nudie, nudie, nudie suit. It's not a skin-colored suit. It's also not a condom, although I think we may have just invented a new... Nudie suit, yeah.

Yeah, it's not bad. although I think we may have just invented a new nudie suit. Yeah, it's not bad. So nudie suit is a catch-all phrase that kind of describes all the really elaborate Western stage wear that country artists are known for wearing. So all the rhinestones and like we call the smile pockets. You guys have kept the bedazzling business. The bedazzler would have never even gotten onto QVC. That's right. If not for country people, bedazzling business. The bedazzler. That's right. It would have never even gotten onto QVC.

That's right. If not for country people bedazzling. No dust gathers on our bedazzlers in my band. You can show my jacket. Do you have a bedazzler on the two of us? We, well. Come on, you do. You have a jacket?

Yeah. And I'll see those stones flying throughout the show. And I was like, time to take it back because it's going to have to put it back on. We've done some repairs on the road. But the reason they're called. They rivet on the back as well. It's not a glue gun. That's why you bit dazzle.

Talk about a massive machine. It's pretty impressive. And the jacket's heavy, right? Very heavy. Yeah. Very heavy. So the reason they're called nudie suits, there was a tailor here in LA called Nudie Cone. And his real name was Nutia Kotlerenko. He was from Kiev, very heavy. So the reason they called nudie suits, there was a tailor here in L.A. called Nudie Cohn, and his real name was Nutia Kotlerenko.

He was from Kiev, Russia, originally. And two stories. One was that- Where the chicken's from. Kiev chicken. That's right. Very good. So kids in the neighborhood where he grew up in New York, they couldn't say Nutia, so they said nudie.

That's one of the stories of how he became known as Nudie Cohn. So he outfitted, you know, he made famous outfits for a lot of folks. But there's a guy named Nathan Turk. He made the suits for Buck Owens. And we have a guy, but one of Nudie's apprentices, a guy named Jaime Castaneda, he's still on North Hollywood on Lancashire, and he does our clothing still. Australian dads, if you come out of the shower and you run into your room and you're nude, Australian dads will say to you, Nudie Rudy!

Oh, that's what you're talking about. Someone's Nudie Rudyie rudy nudie rudy nudie rudy that's what the answer happened i just said that earlier i saw you put nudie rudy though i know i i said it me and me me and me i still do it to my kids now i got the two-year-old boys sometimes two-year-olds walk around with their dick out right they just don't sometimes yeah yeah my one's figured out how to take his diapers off like nappies for the australians i know i'm in a different country right now calm down and uh and he's figured out how to take it off and then he'll just walk past you with his dick out you'll be like nudie rudy nudie boy and this is how legacies uh continue or another one we call nature boy hey it's your boy nature boy yeah i got a lot of pictures of me in the woods Or another one we call Nature Boy. Nature Boy. Nature Boy. Yeah, I got a lot of pictures of me in the woods naked.

And the funny thing is, his mother never took him to the woods. And he grew up in an only parent. You're going to play some guitar for us No not really Yeah that's why there's an amplifier All set up from Fender Okay well if we get to that Should we do I looked over

And I saw all those different pedals And I went he's up to no good I think you play the guitar Then we'll do the dinner party Okay fine I think it makes more sense Alright fine Do we take a pause

To get it hooked up and everything Yeah yeah yeah We're gonna take a break Okay Alright we're back everyone We got the guitar set up We're ready to go Alright so Jack mentioned this Mentioned We're back, everyone. We got the guitar set up. We're ready to go. All right.

So Jack mentioned this, mentioned bringing the guitar, just a couple of different styles. So I was saying earlier, in the early days, in the 30s mostly, jazz was a big, big influence on country music, believe it or not. So you heard a lot of jazz voicings. And so a real classic. Those sorts of moves would be happening in country music. Those sorts of moves would be happening in country music. And a typical Lee would...

Those sorts of moves would be happening. Sounds like SpongeBob SquarePants. Oh, yeah. That does sound like... Those guys are great, actually. Yeah, and well, Tom, who does the voice, he's a big, big country, especially Western swing music. He's a librarian to himself.

He used to play with Tom. Yeah, well, yeah well years ago yeah exactly so there was that now talking about going into honky tonk music when things got pared down it was less jazzy and you started hearing

come out to our showroom we're gonna sell you a car if you ain't got a car we'll get you a car if your car's shit we'll trade in we take any trade in here at merv's car yard where we do a deal for you there you go yeah so and then when we talk about bakersfield things got really really really bluesy and again usually this guitar like a telecaster was a prime

reason for that because fender was based out here in california so guys had more access to that as opposed to those big jazzy gibson guitars out in nashville so a guy like don rich who played for buck owens he would play a real simple and bright style that's like likeicket to Ride almost It's a real bright, shiny sound And of course, at least here in the States The Beatles albums were all mastered at Capitol Records Same place where Buck Owens records were done

So not a huge coincidence there But George Harrison does a great job on the cover of Act Naturally. He tunes his guitar down a whole step just like Don Rich did on the original. The Beatles are very precise on that cover in the certain moves. And George is doing his, of course I'm not in the right key, but.

All those sorts of real basic blues moves in there. It's very, very Bakersfield. And then now you have tons of 70s and 80s arena rock influences what's now modern country, which is fair game because, again, country music always combines. What 80s and 70s arena rock? I would say things like riff rock, like Aerosmith and that stuff. And that's in the country music. Oh, yeah. If you listen to modern country, a lot of distorted guitars, like hard, crunchy guitars.

I'll tell you, Shania Twain, who's one of the best-selling artists of all time. Don't impress me. Her producer was a guy named Mutt Lang. Mutt Lang? Mutt Lang. was a guy named Mutt Lang. Right. Mutt Lang. Mutt Lang. Ring a bell? Mutt Lang.

Produced Back in Black by ACDC. Oh, okay. And all the Def Leppard records, the 80s. I don't know the producer. So he, but he brings that,

I thought Mutt Lang was Australian, maybe not. He might be, but it doesn't mean I know he's Australian. But he brings those hard, those ACDC

and Def Leppard ethics to her stuff. And that, of course, it sold so well that we have a lot of that kind of big power chord. That sort of riff is likely heard on modern country now. If you hear a guitar at all. Sometimes it's just not guitars happening at all. But the point is – Is there ever a horn section? Not anymore.

So this is back to the Western swing days when you had Western swing bands. It was like, yeah, Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys were like the big, big – he was known as the king of Western swing. And he had like an actual full-blown horn section and stuff. And, yeah, and it was just really exciting music and it was again very jazz a lot of swing it was people just you know dancing in the ballroom so why not rockabilly is kind of like right so rockabilly is is kind of like a real jacked up version of honky-tonk music and um and so this is where like elvis presley and uh

well one of your favorite artists, Johnny Cash and Sun Records. Hi, I'm Johnny Cash. Johnny Cash. Something about prison. I killed a man the other day. He was a friend, or so they say. He shot him dead. He didn't get up.

So Jim came over, and I winked at her cup. For some reason, your mustache looks more country. You're just singing like this. Ridiculous. God, I'm glad I brought the guitar. ridiculous um god I'm glad I brought the guitar nah yeah it's awesome

I mean I just like listening to I don't know how to play guitar you have I gotta get you some lessons I can play a little bit

but not like that's what Forrest needs a new hobby no no no I take that back I have a guitar and I can't play but I mean,

you're awesome. If you hear me play, it's going to be garbage. Yeah, we know. I can play what you were here. Everyone's well aware that he's a better guitar player

than you. For all you listeners out there, I'm glad you haven't crashed your cars right now but Forrest has opened up about how he isn't as good a guitar player. I enjoyed just watching it.

I could sit there all day. But all right, we'll do the dinner party fact now. You know what this is, everybody. This is when an expert gives us a fact, something obscure, interesting, the audience can use to impress people about this subject. What do you got for us? Which future country music artist witnessed one of Johnny Cash's San Quentin concerts firsthand as an inmate.

Which current? Well, no. Well, he's passed. The answer has this man's passed away. So he saw Johnny Cash in San Quentin. In San Quentin. Is that what you're saying? While an inmate.

While an inmate. And then he became a country star on his own. Oh, I think I know this. Michael Jackson. So close. I think he was still. Michael Jackson. So close. I think he was still in the Gary Strip at the time. No, while at San Quentin, a 21-year-old Merle Haggard was there at San Quentin and witnessed one of Johnny's performances.

And that was one of the things that helped him kind of turn things around and said, oh, yeah, maybe I should do that when I get out of here. Yeah, right. What was he in prison for? He tried to – it was armed robbery. He tried to rob a roadhouse. And I don't even think he succeeded, but he did get caught. And then what was worse was then he tried to escape from prison.

And that's why they shipped him up to San Quentin for a more severe sentence. And so he started playing music in prison? Yeah, he was playing music before that in Bakersfield. He grew up in Bakersfield, Merle Howard did. Oh, I see, yeah, okay. But he kind of went a little wayward there and was getting in a lot of trouble, ended up in jail. But he had some bad experiences while in jail,

just in terms of someone he got to know really well tried to escape and then was just put on death row. And the woman to whom he was married and already had a kid, she ended up having someone else's kid while he was still on the inside and it just sort of have you watched that i really enjoyed that show the mike judge mike judge tales from the tour bus it's tremendous and if i may if i may i don't know if i can plug another there's a a podcast called cocaine and rhinestones that kind of goes goes into the little detailed stories about a lot of these legends and things. And it tries to set the record straight.

But when the guy doesn't know the answers, he'll say, I don't know the answers. But really, really in-depth stuff. And there's a lot of tragic stories, a lot of wayward behaviors by a lot of country artists. It's just kind of how it goes. Yeah. That one's called what? Diamonds and Rhinestones? Cocaine and Rhinestones. Cocaine and Rhinestones. of country artists it's just kind of how it goes yeah that one's called what diamonds and rhinestones yeah that tales from the tour buses when you're but tales from the tour bus that one's really good

johnny paycheck we didn't even mention him wonderful singer wonderful wonderful singer madman yeah but but you know but he'd been singing for a very long time and he could sing like real traditional stuff and had a beautiful voice it's odd that take this job and chevy was this big national hit it kind of crossed all genres you know but yeah um well thanks for being here again uh eugene edwards you can find let me go back up there you can find him on ig and twitter at eugene edwards 25 on facebook eugene edwards he's also got a podcast the know it all All Hour and also hosts the streaming Eugene and Dylan guitar show. And if you see Dwight

Yoakam playing somewhere, buy a ticket. You'll see him playing with him. Thanks for being here. I hope we haven't used all your expertise so we can have you back on the show. I would love to come back. We'll figure something out. I've got plenty more. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and they say,

Hey, John Denver's not country. You go, I don't know about that. Light him on fire. And walk away. Light him on fire. Good on you, Trey.