I Don't Know About That - Dreams

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

In this episode, the team discusses dreams with psychologist, media dream expert, and best-selling author of The Top 100 Dreams and The Complete A-Z Dictionary of Dreams, Ian Wallace.Follow Ian on Twitter (@ianwallace) or go to his website at www.ianwallacedreams.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and several home videos at my own house. I'm here with Jack, Luis, Kelly, Forrest. We've all come together. How was your Christmas? Did you have a good Christmas? Yeah, it was great. New Year's. How was your New Year's?

What did you do on New Year's, Forrest? New Year's just happened four days ago. I invented a vaccine that was more faster and more powerful and more accurate than the Pfizer one. Wow. I'm not telling you. I'm not letting you steal my recipe. What are you going to do with it?

It involves chicken soup for the soul. That's nice. There's another secret ingredient salt no yeah like like veruca salt the person who did the polio vaccine uh what do you got for us today jack comment world you want to comment world comment, Wilt? All the rides are horrible. Everything just ends in low self-esteem. Give me a fucking break. I wrote that.

Part of it. Me too. I thought you guys just started talking in the middle of the song, to be honest with you. I'm suing that person for sampling my voice. Where's our money? Give us our money. That was made by Chad Campsy. Chad Campsy?

Chad Campsy. I always think about names. Would you let your son marry a Chad Campsy? A Chad? Chad Campsy. There was, what's his name? Jack Nicklaus, the golfer. His son-in-law's name is Todger.

He just, he goes, Welcome to the family, Todger. But the last name was rough too. It was all bad. Yeah. His middle name is Roger. Todger Roger. Todger Roger Nicholson.

This first comment is a... When he's old, who will claim an old Todger? This first comment is somewhat of a compliment. Somewhat of a compliment. compliment well you'll see why yeah uh it's on the hanukkah episode they go great subject choice um uh also don't do the big opinionated discussions like the environment i'm not watching for your uh in-depth discussions

also jack you're in parentheses slowly getting better by the episode i actually actually added um some to the end of that comment. The original sentence was, and Jack, you are slow. And then I put L-Y to the episode. Yeah, Jack, if you can get his name and number, and then he can just give us all the things he wants us to do. Yeah, wait, he doesn't want to suck that real shit. Here's an idea for you, bucko.

Just listen to the ones you want. Yeah. There you go. Problem solved. YouTube gave me prompts. YouTube every once in a while gives me a prompts of how to respond ones you want. There you go. Problem solved. YouTube gave me prompts. YouTube every once in a while gives me a prompts of how to respond to some comments. And the ones for this one was fair enough. Noted.

Like what? What do you mean they give you prompts? What are you talking about? You can respond to it. It happens in email now too. They give you suggestions of how to respond. It's like when your text message goes, sorry, call you back in five minutes. Yeah. Okay. So all of those were bad suggestions thank you youtube um a suggestion we did get was can you guys make a compilation of all the dinner party facts from the year no it's not a bad thing

we can make a clip with all the different with all the different dinner party facts yeah louise there's your christmas bonus to us but but check and see if that last guy is okay with that first yeah yeah okay i want to make sure i don't know his name um i like how it's louise's bonus to us um this is a bit of a long one i'm reading the comments as they come in while watching the podcast wow jim there's some loopy motherfuckers sprouting sprouting some crazy shit here the first dozen commenters shouldn't have couldn't have finished the episode since it hasn't even been up long enough to watch the whole thing anyway loves the podcast jim's so quick-witted forrest and jim bounce off each other so well and kelly keeps it all tied together so well

it's just that me and forrest are getting so big it's hard for us to fit in the same room you two bounce off each other we're in big, it's hard for us to fit in the same room. You two bounce off each other. We're in a closet. It's also awesome how the production crew, Jack, and the Mexican dude, Manuel slash Rodrigo, whatever, add a nice amount of variety and spice in parentheses, probably chili and salsa. Jesus Christ. Keep up the great work. I love how that person thinks spice is salsa.

Someone added too much salsa to this. Because I guess in the episode, you did ask people to guess what Luis's name is. Yeah, I understand what's happening. Luis's name is Jose Juan Carlos Domingo Smith. That's one suggestion. Luis is laughing, to be fair. I think Luis is-

Yeah, because he's thinking about the lawsuit. Fuck these white people. Muchacha. This person spelled Luis, Luis is L-U-I-Z-E-Z-E-S-E-S, and they think your name is Jeff. Luis, what did I call the Mexican white beverage, the milky beverage? Muchacha.

Muchacha. And what's it called again? Horchata. Horchata. Yeah, I've been calling it Muchacha. Muchacha. And what's it called again? Horchata. Horchata. Yeah, I've been calling it muchacha, which I found out means woman. I've been asking it at the counter. A large woman here. I'll have a large muchacha, please.

Speaking of spice, one commenter says, To the haters, Forrest is the spicy tangy mustard that would be missed from my delicious sandwich that is the Jim Jefferies Motley Crue. All right. Let's go around the room and say what condiment we think each other is. Okay. All right. Yeah. Forrest is like a mustard.

Spicy mustard? Not a spicy mustard. Just a tangy one. Why are there so much here? In one of those yellow bottles that tip at the top and then come down like that. I like all mustards. You're a mustard guy. I feel like I'm a horseradish.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, I'm like super white. Tangy. And I'm like a bit like when you eat me, you go. It's an acquired taste. And then you go, that's all right then. Yeah, 20 years in, you're like, yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, yeah.

You buy it, you tell everyone you love it, and it sits on the shelf for about six months, and you only use about a third of a jar. All right, what's Kelly? Kelly, Kelly would be a, you see, she'd be a more effeminate mustard, or you like mayonnaise, no. You can't say effeminate mustard. We're doing condiments.

Dijon is an effeminate mustard. Oh, no. You can't say effeminate mustard. We're doing condiments. Dijon is an effeminate mustard. Oh, yeah. Your Dijon. When you think of, if you go, oh, a couple of Dijons walked in the room, you wouldn't be like, oh, that'll be some hairy men. No, it's all French. I don't know what I would think if that was ever said. I would think Frenchmen, I guess, yeah.

That guy's fucking high. Look, my opinion, not just my opinion, if you want to throw in a condiment, be my fucking guest. I'm saying regular store-bought mustard, fancy Dijon. Fancy mustard. And then Jack is some hillbilly fucking condiment that like from Atlanta. He's barbecue sauce. You know what?

He's either barbecue sauce or he's that gunk that goes around grits. Butter? What's that? Yeah, butter. Lord. You're melted no butter how about mayonnaise because it's just yeah but mayonnaise is a little bit boring yeah and i love mayonnaise i love mayonnaise works with everything jack works with very little no no no jack he can get along with everything and then he can be an aioli yeah yeah but it's very plain. I'm like fancy mayo.

No, you're not fancy. No, you're not fancy. You're very plain. Yeah. You're a chipotle mayonnaise. What's the condiment that's crying right now? Some onion sauce or something? Oh, yeah, he's French onion dip.

Yeah, there you go. I need salt. I'm not even a sauce. I'm just a dip. Yeah, dips. Oh, no. Look, don't get me on dips and sauce. They're the same thing.

You add a chunk to something and you go oh that was a big long-running discussion at jeffrey's show was sauces dips what was it frostings uh condiments i don't know why you're looking at me this is happening in the office across from you all the time when you came in my office i didn't listen i think we all know what Louise is. What? You say it. Chimichurri. Chimichurri. No, because salsa is the obvious one.

We're just going by race. Tapatio? I'm a big fan of Tabasco. Only three ingredients, man. No, but that's not- They haven't changed that recipe. Tabasco is from Louisiana. Yeah, but it's fucking good, man.

I put Tabasco on everything. I was trying to ethnotize it. I like that truff sauce. I like that truff sauce. I like that truff sauce. American. It has the truffles in it, the little truff sauce. Well, Luis's childhood nickname was Guacamole, which is why in my phone- Well, it's what the white kids named him at his school.

In my phone, his name is Mole. Did they really call you Guacamole? Yeah. Had a bad case of gangrene. Yeah, and I mentioned I was from guatemala and then we see what happened you're not from guatemala my grandma's i have one grandma i was like so you lied i was called by some of the meaner kids it's called called casper because i was so pale it was a popular one and then i got really bad i got third degree burns from the sun once like i was

blistered my whole face blistered i got drunk and fell asleep at, like, 15 on a beach. And then some of the kids would call me Bernie. Like, Weekend at Bernie's? Yeah, because I burnt, you see, Bernie. And you were on the beach. Yeah, and I was dead, and people used to drag me along behind a speedboat. I tried to watch Weekend at Bernie's with my son, thinking, oh, this would be a fun lark.

It was free on Amazon Prime, and I went, oh, a dead body being dragged around. This is going to be Hank's jam. Jeez, it takes a long time before they start dragging the body around. And the lead character is chain smoking in the fucking thing. I mean, just a lot of cigarettes. You're not watching very good movies. We watch a lot of movies in California.

We're on like three movies a day. Give me a fucking break here i'm like going through have we seen this we've seen this weekend at birdie's ah yeah this would be a good one all right where you got uh you misnamed the menorah and called it the menorca which we talked about and i believe in the episode you joked that it's an island off of spain there actually is an island off of spain called menorca miyoka no. No, there's Myorka and there's Menorca. Okay, well, I was right. So you're right.

That's what they're saying. They're giving you credit. You're right. Yeah, all right. Good on you, muchacho. Last one. Someone also had coins and pudding, but they're from Russia. And they said, my grandma cooked us manti for Christmas.

Do the voice. My grandma cooked us manti for Christmas. No, voice my grandma cooked us manti for christmas no you've got to go down like this and then you've got to scoop up at the end in the end and then go and then go my grandma she from the homeland she put coin in the pudding do that you guys are you're basing your russian accents off the golden eye video game uh no i'm doing The GoldenEye video game? No. I was doing Balky Bartokomus from Perfect Strangers.

Great show. Great show. Do you remember when they could pitch sitcoms like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He comes from, we'll make a country up. Yeah. And we'll give him a wacky dance, like an offensive happy dance they have to do. The opening credits will basically be the opening scene from the Borat movies. He's on the back of a wagon.

He's on the back of a wagon with a donkey pulling, and he's standing tall. And he's like, everybody, I'm off to America. And then it's like him running in fucking, what's the German pants? Fucking, you know, the ones. Lederhausen. Him running in Lederhausen to a Cubs game like, Cubs number one! It sounds like Borat.

Yeah, it is. It was happy Borat. Oh, yeah. You guys are probably too young for Perfect Strangers, right? No idea what this is. Oh, well. It's a great show. That brings me to, we will be starting a Perfect Strangers podcast.

We'll be going over. Actually, I must plug this. Me, DJ, and Dan Baccarat, we had to stop because someone had been exposed to someone with COVID. We were going to have to start it. We'll be recording a legit podcast. To the 10 fans of legit, we're going to be doing it episode by episode. There'll just be 26 episodes, and that's what we're going to do.

We're going to do it here in the studio, and we're going to sit and watch it on the TV, and then we're going to do the episodes right afterwards. I feel like it may deteriorate into the three of us arguing with each other because we have to sit there and watch each other and talk about each other's performances. So that'll be interesting. No, people that like legit are going to love that.

And speaking of promoting stuff, we've never done it in a while, IDKat podcast on Instagram. There's more people listening to this podcast than following us on there. Maybe you're not on Instagram, but if you are, go to IDKat podcast. Yeah, you get special clips on the IDK Instagram, and I put the occasional clip on my site, but not many.

I got told off by my management for doing it too much. They're like, no one cares. Promote your gigs. I was like, oh, right. What gigs? No, exactly. No one said anything. I could see the way your eyes were moving, that you were like lying. You were like just drifting off.

You're like, yeah, my manager. No, no. I'll tell you what my manager has been saying to me lately. Nothing. I haven't spoken to him in about 10 months. There's been no career to speak of. This is the first year I don't know whether – the podcast has already come out. I don't know whether I'm getting a Christmas gift.

Every year you get a Christmas gift from your management and your agents. There's normally a gift voucher or they send you a bottle of wine or something like that. It normally comes by now and I feel like not working enough. No gift. Taco Bell.

Back to Russia. The grant, the Monty is basically oversized steamed cooked dumplings, and apparently in some she'd put coins in some. Do the voice. Some had sugar, and some had salt. If you get the one with money...

Think of voice. It means you might get rich coming year. Less phlegm. Yeah. Sugar. Sugar was standing for happiness, and if you pick one with salt, you go to Gulag. Wow.

I love Gulag with a bit of rice. Lovely dish. Now let's introduce our guest, Ian Wallace. Welcome to the show, Ian. Hello, Ian. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. All right.

Now it's time for... Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Judging a book by its cover I believe we have a theme song for that. Ah, fucked it up.

That was the best we've ever done. It was so seamless how we did it. That was the best one we've ever done. Okay, he's going to guess what you're here to talk about, Ian. He's going to ask you some yes or no questions, and Kelly and I might give him some hints, but we'll see. Okay, well, Ian's, from his voice, very clearly Scottish. His name's also Wallace.

I'm going to say that he's an expert in William Wallace. Yeah, well, that's, from his voice, very clearly Scottish. His name's also Wallace. I'm going to say that he's an expert in William Wallace. Yeah, well, that's a guess. Yeah. And you're wrong. Okay, not a bad guess, though. That was a good educated guess. It was pretty bad. William Wallace.

Freedom! Ian, do you work in entertainment? Do I work in entertainment? Yeah. Yeah, I suppose I do. Yeah, I do that because you've got two guitars behind you and nothing else. It looks like you're a very focused man,

and that focus may be on guitars. I'm going to give you a hint. It's not guitars or music. Not White Walls? Well, then I'm fucked out of life. Do you work in comedy no no you work in television sometimes are you a documentarian no watch documentaries you. He's an expert in something you probably do often. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. It's not masturbation. No, it's not masturbation. You definitely do this often. You have to do this often. It's not porn. I've seen Scottish porn. It's nothing to be written home about.

The specific Scottish porn? No, no. All British porn is no good. There's a lot of regional accents in there um uh you have to take off about 15 layers that's your only excitement is and then when you get everyone naked fuck me a wee bit more um uh all right uh not it's right. It's not masturbation. It's not porn.

Does it involve food? No, it doesn't involve food. And I do it often. Every single day you do this. Walking. I walk every day. Almost, almost. Some of those depressed days you stay in bed.

Sometimes you might not even be aware that you do this. Blinking. No. Expert in blinking, yes. That's what we got on the show. So many questions asked okay okay does okay does your expertise involve uh movement of the human body uh one particular part of the human body and i'll just give you a wee hint here jim sometimes ask have you written a book so here's a clue of one of the books i have written

ah giving it away holding up a book and it looks like is that chinese is that chinese right yeah that was korean here's a korean oh okay so i'm going to say north north think about north korea yeah every day okay you you, there you go. Give him another one. Snow! Oh, okay. I see the guy falling. Getting closer. Skydiving. He's falling now. You do this every day, Jim.

You go skydiving every day. Give him another one. Give him another book. Still another language. Okay, nighttime. Falling in the nighttime. Modern surprises. Falling in the nighttime. Modern surprises. Falling in the nighttime. This guy writes a lot of books.

Suenos. That's in Spanish. We're closer. It means that his book's been printed in many different languages. Okay, I've got that. Nighttime, falling, sleeping. He's held up about seven different books in different languages. Yeah, it's a hundred ways to talk.

Yeah, okay. Give him one in English here, Ian let's hold hold a book up there you go your dream dreams i don't dream every i'm well we'll find out if you do or not but you might not remember it i heard once that you have like you suddenly have a nightmare about once a month or something like i'm on like three a week okay i wake up in cold sweats and nightmares. I thought everyone was doing that. And then someone like an ex-girlfriend or something said to me, he went, no, no, no, you're not meant to have nightmares every day. We'll see.

And I'm like, ah. So dreams. Ian Wallace is here to talk about dreams. Ian Wallace is regarded as a global authority on the practical application of our nighttime dreams as a positive and healthy method to help us achieve our waking life dreams and ambitions he is a qualified psychologist and has analyzed over 350 000 dreams for his clients he is the best-selling author of the top 100 dreams the dreams that we all have and what they really mean and the complete a to z dictionary of dreams be

your own dream expert you regularly or appear regularly whatever that word is that i can't say you know what i'm talking about appears on television and radio around the world helping dreamers to understand their dreams so they can turn them into positive action ian is also a multi-award winning corporate psychologist and director of psychology at the litha group where he and his team are creating the technology to provide mental health support for everyone on planet earth for free you can find out more about his work with dreams at ianwallacedreams.com i-a-n-w-a-l-l-a-c-e dreams.com all right yeah thanks for being here um uh yeah so what got you into dream like how did you get to this part this point in your life like where you're an expert in dreams or written books on dreams just always been fascinated by dreams

ever since i was tiny my first memory was a dream and I kept bugging my parents about dreams, what they were, and everyone I spoke to, I kept asking them about dreams. So I went to university, Edinburgh University, and studied psychology. And I do quite a lot of other types of psychology, but dreams is the psychology I always come back to and I'm best known for. When you said your first memory is a dream, wouldn't it be correct to say your first memory was having a dream because isn't a dream not a memory? Does that make sense? That's a very good question, Jim.

I can see why you're participating in this show. He's trying to get an answer before he aces that stuff too. So it's a very good question. So because we're talking about memory, Jim, remember that question. All right. Okay. All right.

I'm a smart fella. All right. Let's see. We're going to ask Jim everything he thinks he knows about dreams. I'm going to give him some questions too to help him along. And then you're going to grade him, Ian, 0 through 10, 10 being the best on his accuracy of his knowledge of dreams. Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him Ian 0 through 10 10 being the best on his accuracy of his knowledge of dreams

Kelly's going to grade him on confidence I'm going to grade him on etc 0 through 10 you're a waking nightmare 11 through 20 wet dream it's not bad 21 through 30

I only had one I only had one of them 21 through 30 you're a dreamboat I don't say it anymore they should bring that back yeah he's a dreamboat

who's they they're. Who's they? Isn't he? The 1950s people. They might still be saying it. Okay. What are dreams, Jim? Well, see, that's a very, I won't say loaded question, but it's a very difficult question to answer because there's several types of dreams.

There's the dreams you have while sleeping. That's what we're talking about. But then there's also the I have a dream. No, no. We're not talking about civil rights., we're not talking about civil rights and we're not talking about aspirations. Aspirational dreams as well. Talking about sleeping.

Just sleeping dreams. That's just your brain going on a trip while you're having a sleep, man. Yeah, okay. Or while you're on drugs or while you're just, including daydreaming. Sure. And then it's just where you let your mind wander. Mind wander.

Yeah. Okay. Why do we have dreams? You know, a bit of entertainment, isn't it? Life's pretty dull. Netflix? It's like Netflix. Yeah, so it's like before the telly, right?

I'm sure dreams have dropped since the telly's been invented. Before the telly, you used to just sort of make your own things up. And it's also like I can't fly, but in my dreams I can. You know, a bit of fun. A bit of fun. Except for nightmares, quite the opposite. Nightmares still consider dreams? Yeah.

Yeah, right. Well, nightmares, no fun. Sometimes they're there to, I think nightmares and dreams, in some level of your subconscious are there to guide and warn you a little bit about, not things that might happen, but if you're acting a certain way in your life, these things could happen.

It's a sort of premonition-y type thing, but they're not actual premonitions as such. That'd be ridiculous. Yeah. Does everyone dream? I would believe the vast, vast majority of human beings. What percentage? Everybody dreams.

Zero to 100%. Everybody dreams. Everyone dreams. Yep, 100%. 100% of people dreams, but not everyone remembers their dreams. Okay. I remember less dreams now than I used to. Do animals dream too?

Oh, yeah. My cats definitely dream you've seen dogs when they start smiling and they're sleeping and they start whacking their foot up and down okay you can't prove it i don't know i don't know if all animals are cockroaches yeah why not they're like oh yeah well imagine going out in the day and just wondering that'd be something go their cockroach friends i had a dream the other day. I got into that cereal box, but it hasn't even been opened. Yeah, it wasn't me dream. What percentages of dreams do we remember?

Oh, I would say a very small percent. I'd say 5%. Okay. I read something, and I think you're right on that, but I'm not sure Ian will tell us. I think you just guessed right. How many stages of sleep are there, and can you name them? There's dozy, where you're feeling a bit sleepy

and then there's rapid eye movement, REMs. That's when you get your deep sleep. That's the good stuff. That's the stuff that makes you feel vitalized in the morning. So there's only two stages? I'm going to say three. Dozy, sleepy, and REM. Oh, sleepy is a stage? Yeah. Dozy, a stage yeah it's sleepy and rem happy and bashful okay um uh what does rem stand for rapid

eye movement and what is what is how does it relate to dreams um uh because when you're doing that you're dreaming when your eyes are like shuddering along going like that you're doing that, you're dreaming. When your eyes are like shuddering along, going like that, you're going, your brain's going into its own little, it's like you've left a computer on and it's just starting to play games by itself without you controlling it. How many dreams do we have on an average night? I'm going to say three. Now, the reason I say this, do you ever have that dream,

the really good dream, where you have a dream and you're enjoying it and then someone wakes you up and then you go, I want to get back into that. And then you force yourself to go back to sleep and you go, where were those tits again? You know what I mean? And so you go back to it.

So what are nightmares? Why do we have nightmares? I think nightmares are there in like a Darwin-ish type of way to keep you safe. See, I have a nightmare, and I spoke to my father about this. I spoke to other parents about this, about not being able to save my son in dangerous situations. And I've had that ever since he was a baby. It'll be something like he'll be on a cliff's edge, and I'll go, no, no, no, no, no. And then I'll go, and I won't be able to grab him in time.

Or he'll fall under ice, and I can see him, but I can't. And they're very horrendous. And I thought this was just the thing that I had. And then my dad, I told my dad about it and he went, oh yeah, they always just get close to your hand and then they fall off the cliff. And so I think parents have that and that's just to make sure you keep your child safe. They're just there to reinforce things. And also I sometimes parents have that, and that's just to make sure you keep your child safe. They're just there to reinforce things. And also I sometimes have nightmares about things that I feel guilty about in my life that I didn't do right by a person or something like that. I have a nightmare that that person is going to be angry at me,

your next girlfriend or this or that. Now, do kids, do children have more nightmares than adults? I don't believe they do, but they do half harp on about them. My son goes, I have a nightmare. And he's like, oh, it was just like people throwing rocks. And you're like, what the fuck? Okay, here's some other terms. Just give me some quick answers to them.

Night terrors. Night terrors. Well, I had quite a, I had a um and i'm getting back to this i had quite a bad you know about this i had a bad break-in where where some people came into my house in manchester i was living with a comedian called steve hughes and whitehead lived there as well he wasn't in the house at the time and um a guy came into one guy came in the house with a hammer one guy came in the house with a machete, and they held the knife to my throat, a little cut on my head, and it was tied up and all this type of stuff.

And ever since that moment, you have to wake me up very gently because if you give me a little thing, I'll start swinging. I'll go, ah! Like that, right? You have to be very distraught. You can't just shrug my shoulder. I'll lose my shit if you wake me up. But that's like a night terrier thing or something?

Well, I think so because before then I never did that. That was never a thing. And now I wake up very- So a traumatic event or something? Yeah, traumatic event or something in your subconscious, that traumatic event that sparks you, yeah. Do you know what lucid dreams are? electronic event that sparks you.

Do you know what lucid dreams are? Lucid dreams is where you can control the narrative of the dream. You can go, and I think I might fly now. And, oh, am I having sex with a beautiful woman? Sit on my cock whilst I'm flying. All your dreams are a lot of sex, right? Sex and flying. The good sex and flying is your positive dreams.

Sex, sex. Everything else is night terrors. Everything else is night terrors, yeah. Okay. Sex and flying. Dream lag, and flying is your positive dreams. Sex, sex, sex. Everything else is night terrors. Everything else is night terrors, yeah. Okay. Sex and flying. Dream lag, do you know what that is? It's where you dream on a long-haul flight. Okay, false awakenings. False awakenings is where, oh, that's like when you think you're awake,

but you're not actually awake. Like when you're pissing on your leg and you're like i've woken up and i've walked to the toilet now i'm standing over the toilet and then the warm starts going over your thigh and you go oh that's weird the water's meant the piss is meant to be landing in the bowl why do i feel this warmness on my thigh and then you go oh no i'm dreaming and then you sit in a puddle of your own piss and do nothing and go back to sleep. Okay. I got about four or five more questions here. Ask away.

Why sometimes do things wake you up from your dreams? You know, like you've ever been woken up? Why do you think you get woken up from a dream? Why do you think you get woken up? Because the dream start, like it's always things like you're about to die or you're falling off the edge of something. You're about to hit the ground. You in my dreams anyway i never experienced my death because

who knows what happens after you die what the sensation is i feel like i've experienced my death before but i'm not sure i feel like have you had dreams where you die and then you go to heaven and then no no no but i think i died i don't know um what you do you hover over your dreams do you see yourself? No, no. I just think I was like, yeah, then I died. I always see outside my own eyes. And then often I see people throughout my life. You've been in several of my dreams, Forrest.

Jack's been in one. Yes. And it's always like, it's always topsy-turvy shit. It's like, oh, Jack's my boss? What's going on? And then the sex starts. All right. And then I wake up with nightmares. And you you're flying oh no that's not as good as a dream as i was hoping we're almost done here ian i feel like ian's just analyzing it all the time sure this guy's a psycho no i think he's

doing pretty good actually because i read a lot before this but i don't know i'm not the expert um uh why do we have recurring dreams uh well like anything in like because some of them because you may have enjoyed it and your brain's giving you a treat treat and another thing is there might be a lesson that you have not learned yet or there might there might be a safety thing that they want to reinforce on it or it may be that you're boring some people dream in like black and white and shit like that and then they reckon with languages if you start dreaming in that language then you really nail the language that you've like really taken on board i have i am yet to dream in english

rosetta stone all my dreams are like this. Charlie Brown. Fire. Fire. Fire. Fire. And Italian for some reason. You're really good at Italian. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Here's some common dream themes. And tell me what this means. Just real quick. You're falling. You're falling. It means you're anxious about something in your life. Anxious. Being naked in public. Ah, I used to have this one all your life. Anxious. Being naked in public.

Ah, I used to have this one all the time. This is my dream for naked in public. This is what I used to do. I used to get on the school bus. I was never like that walking around naked. I used to get on the school bus for school, and all the kids were saying, but they weren't laughing or pointing. They were just staring like, oh, my fuck.

And I'd be like, what's the problem? And I'd be like, I've got my backpack. I've got my shirt. I'm wearing me tie. There's me blazer. And I'd look down and be like, forgot your fucking pants again. And I'd just have me dick hanging out underneath me shirt. And then my brain, because no one was laughing, would always go, maybe you could just play this off.

And I'd walk very confidently onto the bus with me dick hanging out. I'd sit down and go, okay, like that. That's my one. Why though? What's the meaning? Just the meaning of this. I think the meaning would be that you have a big exam or something coming up because I don't get that so much anymore.

Big exam. All right. What about taking a test? That's another common one. I still get taking a test. I still have taking a test. I still have taking a test. I haven't taken a test for years, but I do know that I had a taking the test one this week.

We pre-recorded this episode, and I know it's because I'm about to perform properly for the first time since February, and so my brain's like, are you ready? Are you ready? I think that's when you're preparing for something big in your life. What about losing teeth? That's never happened to to me but this is a common one no no that one yeah that one's just like this like you're eating a bit of food and then you feel

a bit of well and you go and then it's just pull it comes out what's that really easy um that's an anxiety one i'm sure anxiety okay and then flying what's that why is what do you want to fly what Because flying is cool. That's just to relax. Relax, okay. To get me there faster. Okay, here are two more questions. Why are certain sensations muted in dreams?

You know how you think you can't run fast or it's not real. It doesn't feel real, but you're doing it. Will you just answer your own question? Because it's not real for us. Okay. These things aren't the real world. Things are a bit different in dreams. Thank you.

Do blind people have sight when they dream? I believe they would, yes. I believe that blind people would have sight when they dream. Even if they were born blind? Even if they were born blind. That's a tricky one. Because I believe that in their minds, even when they think they have sight,

when they think of something, when they go somewhere in the room, they don't think clip, clop, clip, clop. Their friend is a horse. Yeah, I was going to say. A thoroughbred walks into the room. My best friends are Clydesdale. I feel like you have the same information on blind people

that you do about your cat. You think they're doing it, but you're not sure. Yeah, I think they probably see in their mind. Yeah, of course. Why wouldn't they? Bit of fun. All right, Ian, thank you for waiting there patiently. On a scale of 0 to 10, 10's the best,

how did Jim do on his accuracy of his knowledge of dreams? Yeah, I would say almost squeezed in to above 10, but knowledge of dreams still in that waking nightmare. So I would say we're on about eight. Hey, 10, 10 is the best zero to 10. So eight is yeah.

Right. So we're going to add up, we're going to add up three scores of 10 to get to the waking nightmare. Yeah. So it's okay with, you know, right. So Jim's knowledge of dreams, I would say it's out of 10 to get to the waking nightmare. Yeah, so. Right, okay, with you now. So, on Jim's knowledge of dreams, I would say, so out of 10, I would go for four. Yeah.

I was about to say, that's my highest score ever. I was about to say, I mean, I think you did good, but. And then fucking four. Yeah, that sounds right. But you were very confident and you sounded, like some of them sounded like smart answers. Not most of them, no, but some of them did. So I give you a six. Well, okay, first of all, this is all open to interpretation, surely.

Yeah, yeah. Kind of like dreams. There's no trophies here either. But maybe Ian's about to tell me these things, and he's about to say a factual, and he has the research and the data to tell me why. Give him a good score for us. He really wants to be called a dreamboat. No.

You know what? He's only had one wet dream, so I'm going to give him one point so he gets 11. Now you get your second wet dream. I believe I haven't had more wet dreams in my life because I masturbate so much that I've never had an empty canister that needs to be emptied. Okay.

I wake up with erections on the regular. I'll do the old joke. It's to stop me rolling out of bed. Before we even start, do you know anything about wet dreams, Ian? Yes, I do. Yeah. So I think that happens when we dream, even though the dream doesn't have any sexual content,

is that we become sexually aroused and all your naughty bits fill up with blood, whether you're a man or a woman. Do women have wet dreams? Do you wake up with a bit of a squirt there? Yeah, squirting all the time. No, I definitely have had an orgasm in my sleep though. I'm surprised I didn't wake you.

Fired. We've gotten in a lot of trouble. In a different scenario there's been other occupations I've had where I would have gotten in a lot of trouble with a chick this will be the last podcast this is the last I don't know about that podcast

alright Ian so Jim we asked him what dreams are he said your brain's going on a trip while you're sleeping letting your mind wander yeah so that's completely wrong Jim So Jim, we asked him what dreams are. He said your brain's going on a trip while you're sleeping, letting your mind wander. Yeah, so that's completely wrong, Jim. So what dreams are, they're an absolutely fundamental neurological function. And the main function of dreaming is to process emotions

that you experience and absorb during the day. Only 2% of our awareness as human beings is actually conscious, and the other 98% is unconscious, and it's mainly emotion. So the way we process all that emotional information that we absorb during the day is through our dreams. And we have to remember that dreams are not just a flow of imagery. They're also a flow of emotions. They're a stream of emotions. And what we experience in the dream as an image is how we articulate emotions when we are sleeping.

So the fact that I have a lot of nightmares, that means I'm a bad person or I just carry emotions too much or what's that? People make this false dichotomy between dreams and nightmares. They're just one continuum. So there's no real difference between them. All that happens in a nightmare is that it's more emotional. It's more emotionally intense.

And very often in a nightmare, you're trying to get your own attention. People think that dreams happen to them, like you're just some sort of passive observer, they are tuning into some psychic ether. But the reality is, as was found out in the 1990s, is we happen to the dream. So you create everything that you experience in the dream. So you create something you experience in the dream, because you're trying to make sense of your emotional life and waking life. And if you don't pay attention to that dream, it will start to turn into a nightmare because you're turning up the emotion,

you're turning up the vividness, the scariness, because you're really trying to tell yourself something. And what you're trying to tell yourself is that you have some amazingly powerful emotion about some situation in waking life and you have an opportunity to channel those emotions and do something positive with them. Wow. Wow. So many girlfriends, in life and you have an opportunity to channel those emotions and do something positive with them

wow so yeah many girlfriends that i've had i've always shat on them telling me about their dreams so basically i'm just on their emotions so that's why we've gotten into fights every time you didn't pay attention to them and they turned into nightmares now as soon as you were explaining what dreams are i'm like oh man i'm an yeah you are an i was like i on kelly's dream right before this podcast he walked in i was like Now, as soon as you were explaining what dreams are, I'm like, oh, man, I'm an asshole. Yeah, you are an asshole. I was like, I shit on Kelly's dream right before this podcast. He walked in. I was reading a dream that I'd written down. He's like, fuck off.

Nobody cares. So, yeah. So you're an asshole. So are they helpful to us to get these emotions out of us? Is that the thing? Are they trying to are they trying to like uh unload us from something yeah so we're trying to process information that doesn't make sense to us during the day most of our emotions don't seem to make sense they're irrational so

it's our way of processing those and in our dreams as i said we don't the dream doesn't happen to us we happen to the dream and we create everything in it and said we don't the dream doesn't happen to us we happen to the dream and we create everything in it and everything we create in the dream the characters the animals the places the events the objects everything is a reflection of our own selves our own identities so when you dream of different characters you're using those characters to symbolize some aspects of yourself so what we do in the dream what the dream is doing is continually updating your sense of self who you are what you need and what you believe so it's the ultimate self-portrait or the ultimate selfie and that's what the dream does for

you oh wow so if you if you dream awesome dreams are you an awesome person if you dream shitty things you're a shitty person well awesome people have shitty dreams and vice versa so we all have a degree of awesomeness and shittiness and what we find doing in the dream is to to balance that out because all that shitty stuff is really fertile as well it helps us to grow so we can use that as a kind of fertilizer a psychological fertilizer to grow and distill and what use that as a kind of fertilizer, a psychological fertilizer to grow and distill. And what we do in the dream, we're always doing that. We're taking past experience and feeding it into future expectations to understand how we might become the person that we dream of becoming. I have a few, as all people do, I have a few traumatic things from my childhood that I constantly dream

about. And they just, and they feel more like memories than dreams. What does that mean? Often children have those sorts of experiences, Jim. I do a lot of work with children's dreams and child psychology. And one of the big challenges as a child, if you have traumatic experiences, as a child, you have very little power or choice in your life. And with that, you're continually trying to process those emotions when you feel you didn't have power. And what we do with dreams, as you've so clearly pointed out, Jim, dreams aren't real, but they are a way of describing something real. they are a way of describing something real. So the stuff in waking life, the real things like tables, water, computers, microphones, those are thoughts. But what the dream does is articulates the why. Why do you need water? Why do you like using the microphone? Why do you have that table?

So what we're doing with those, when you dream of something traumatic in your childhood you what you're saying to yourself is i didn't have power and choice back in my childhood but now as an adult i do have power and choice and i can do something with it that i'd like to do so you're using those dreams from your childhood to actually remind you how far you've progressed in your life's journey all All right. Does everyone dream? Jim said yes. 100% of people dream. He doesn't think everyone remembers them

and he also thinks animals dream. Is he correct on that? Yeah. So everyone dreams. There are some people who may have some brain injury or congenital brain conditions who don't have the neurological apparatus for dreaming. Everyone dreams. Not

everyone remembers their dreams because of the way memory consolidation works and some other issues like threshold effects. And animals certainly do dream. So obviously dogs dream. You watch a dog dreaming and it's running around, it's sniffing the air, it's chasing things. You watch a cat dreaming. A cat dreaming is usually stalking you can see it creeping up on things it's tail twitching and it would suggest so i'm not saying it does although i have been offered good money to move to california and be a pet dream analyst are you shitting on california right now no it's just uh it's just that's where the offer came from. Yeah.

Anyway, check it out. You can just live at Lisa Vanderpump's house. She's got like 15 animals there. Yeah, I think it checks out. Animal dream expert, California. Yeah. So the dog and the cat, you can see them hunting. And the most common dream that humans have is being chased.

And we have this word pursuit. So a pursuit is being chased, but it's also chasing something. In waking life, it's some ambition you're trying to achieve. So for a dog, it might be a visit to a sausage factory. For a cat, it might be eating their owner. But humans have lots of different ambitions. How do you, like like is this just an assumption that these animals are dreaming or is there have we dissected a brain or how do we know

that animals are doing this they are you can see them uh having rapid eye movement there have been some experiments where people have hooked them up to electroencephalographs and seen brain activity that might be dreaming. So as far as we know, all mammals dream. No cockroaches? Well, they may dream. Cockroaches may have dreams of cereal boxes. Well, that's what I think.

I think we can't tell if a goldfish dreams. And if he does dream, it's just like, oh, I was imagining I was walking. It's mental. Had the walking dream again. Why is he a British? Why not? Of course he's British.

Why can't he be British? He's in a British aquarium. Goldfish are American. Everybody knows that. If the function of dreaming is to help us work through these emotions, then it doesn't seem fair that when we wake up, oftentimes we forget everything. So are we actually able to work through that emotion if we've forgotten the dream? Or is it something that it has to be a dream that we remember so we can actually remember the themes in it? As long as we can remember some of the imagery from the dream, Kelly, so we don't have to

remember the whole narrative. The challenges with remembering the dream, there's a few of them. So one of the fundamental ones is that another function of dreaming is that it helps consolidate short-term memory into long-term memory. So this is the dream lag thing that Forrest mentioned, that people often dream about events that maybe happened years ago, like in their childhood or last week. But what we do when we're updating our sense of self every night when we dream is we go back through all our past experiences and filter through them and then apply them to future expectations. There's also an effect called the threshold effect. And that's the effect that happens when you move from one space to another and your attention shifts. So it's like sometimes

when you go into a room to get something and then when you go into the room, something else catches your attention and you forget what you went in there for to start off with. What was that called again? Because you broke up. Threshold effect. Oh, threshold effect. Yeah yeah you broke up a little to begin all right here's a here's a weird question i don't know if there's an answer to this but okay so so we're dreaming about things from our childhood or something that happened last week or things that we've seen and also so so if a person was born grew up in one room

never left that room would they be able to dream of things outside of that space? Or can you only dream with things you have conceptually seen? You can mainly just dream of things that you have experienced. Now, because we're human beings, we have a collective experience through our culture. So we know of generations and generations of past humans and all the things they've experienced and all the things that future humans hope to experience. But if you are in some sensory deprivation like that from birth, I don't know if anything has been done like that. I hope not. But it would really close down your brain development.

I'll just ask the girl in the basement what she dreams of. Well, what about that last question? because that kind of leads into that if you're born blind do they dream in sight or does their studies have been done on that or no so um some of my clients so i work with a number of clients uh who are in the public eye and one of them is quite a well-known musician who's blind. And he doesn't dream in sight, but he dreams in sound and touch. He is very superstitious as well. Yeah, he is very superstitious. Very good.

Well done. I cut you off with that joke. Keep going. Sound and light, you said? No, sound and touch. Touch. Sound and touch. So because our visual sense is the most complex and rich one,

that's the one we tend to dream most in. But we also dream in touch and sound and smell and taste. we tend to dream most in, but we also dream in touch and sound and smell and taste. If someone is blind from birth, they don't have anything really visually. If someone has lost their sight at some point during their life, then they will still dream in imagery up to the point where they lost their sight, and then that will start to fade away over a period of time. So it comes back to this idea of continually updating the sense of self. You update that sense of self through your senses

and what you've experienced and what you're trying to do with them. So if you're saying a blind person dreams in smell and touch and sound, I'm not trying to make a Helen Keller joke here, did she just dream in touch? Would Helen Keller, because she was deaf and blind, she would have just dreamed in touch? She would just have dreamed in touch. It depends how much of those sensory perceptions

a person might have. So it's not just like a binary thing. It's like how much sight do they have? How well sighted are they? How well can they hear? And so on. So they will dream in the sense they have because that's the only connection

we have with the outside world. We all think, you know, as we're chatting that we are all in the world, but all we have is the sensory connection to the outside world. And we form all our images of the outside world in our brains in pretty well the same way we do with dreaming. So that's one of the reasons dreaming is so interesting psychologically.

It's a kind of proto-consciousness. It lets us see consciousness working. So she would have woken up after a good dream and just been like, ha, felt. And then after a bad night, she would have gone, nail gun. Oh, God, it was a horrible sleep. Cheese grater. Oh bad night, she would have gone, nail gun. Oh God, it was a horrible sleep.

Cheese grater. Oh no, it was terrible. That's the nightmare. Helen Keller said the cheese grater was the scariest book she ever read. That's an old joke, an old pub joke. I thought that was reality.

I asked Jim what percentage of dreams do you remember? He said 5%. How many dreams do we have on average per night? He said three. And I didn't ask him on average how long each dream lasts. Each dream is 30 minutes. Okay.

How many percentage of dreams do we remember? How many do we have a night? And how long do they last usually generally? It depends how often or how habitually you work with your dreams for us. So I work with dreams a lot. And I can remember most of my dreams from a night. And we tend to, so we sleep in 90-minute cycles, these ultradian cycles that Ernest Hartman described in 1968. So these 90-minute cycles, in those,

so say we sleep for seven and a half, eight hours per night, we will have five sleep cycles. And in each of those sleep cycles, we will have one dream episode. At the start of the night and the end of the night, those are quite short. But in the middle of the night, they're quite long and they range in length from 10 minutes to 45 minutes. So on average, we dream for around two hours per night. We spent a 12th of our life dreaming. Wow. So that's about a half an hour and five, three to four.

And so the stages, we're keeping in that theme, stages of sleep, Jim said there's three, dozy, sleepy, and REM. But I know he's right on one of those. How many stages or what are they? that sounds like a great concert billing well depends if you like REM or not the first two artists

the band broke up but I can still sing the song I hope without the harmonies I love those seven the harmonies. I love those seven-part harmonies. So Jim was pretty close with the first one. So the first one is called Light Sleep. Dozy.

Yes, the first one is called Light Sleep. And in that, it's quite dozy. And you have this thing, just as you're starting to drift off, called, it's a state called hypnagogagogia where you get some little images coming back from maybe from during the day or just flashes of things coming in it's like the korean barbecue stuff sometimes i'm falling asleep and i and i it wakes me up because i i think of something and i didn't even get your joke what did you say the gauze you're sorry yeah sorry sorry yeah what were you saying sometimes like i'll be about to fall asleep and something will just wake me up like an image will like it's like images are running too fast

so i wake up like really quick i don't know yeah so those are called hypnagogic hallucinations there's also a thing there's a physical thing called a hypnic jerk or a myclonic jerk so when you go to sleep you start to release all the tension from your muscles from your body particularly your large anti-gravity muscles like your back arms legs if you've seen my asshole it's not a it was a bang gravity too much every time i sit in the toilet bowl it's like i have the gravitational pull of jupiter no thanks scientists are studying it things are orbiting it yeah i'm sure there's an event horizon around the toilet anyway you're going on you're coming you're going on you're saying i was banging on about

so so in those um as you release the tension that final release of tension you get that kind of jerk and sometimes you feel like you're falling off a pavement or something i do that one all the time yeah i do too where you just your body just jilts like that yeah i used to i used to i tried this joke a million times a million times it never worked i heard that when you do that when you're just laying there and you get a shiver there's an old wives tale that someone had just walked over your grave have you ever heard this there's an old wives tale that wherever you're going to get buried someone has walked over your grave and like because i i used to my mummy said oh someone just walked over your grave like that

and i used to go does that mean that people with epilepsy are getting buried in Leicester Square? It never worked. Yeah, I get it. Too long a walk. Yeah. You know when you're dreaming. Yeah, but that happens to me. That happens to me a lot.

Like sometimes that happens to me more than others. I don't know if that means I'm really strict, like have a lot of tension. Like you're saying your body's releasing all the tension or something. You're almost asleep

and then you feel like you just rolled off the bed. You go, oh, my God. If someone's in bed with you, they're like, yeah, I'm like, don't act like you've never done that before. Oh, I didn't know that was a dream-based thing. I thought that was just your body having a spasm. Well, no, he's saying, I don't know. Correct me if you're wrong. It's the beginning of sleep.

So this is in Jim's dozy stage. It's called light sleep. It's phase one. My dozy stage. So it's called light sleep. It's phase one. My dozy stage 22 to 35. No. So that's the light sleep. And then you go to phase two, which is a bit deeper.

And in phase two, you're just starting to get relaxed. You are starting to rebuild some parts of your body. You're starting to just get really rested. And that's the bit where your wife wants to have a chat about something that happened that day. I know that bit. That's the sleepy phase. And then there's a phase. Phase three is deep sleep.

And that's when you're completely out for the count and you're doing things like secreting growth hormone. You know, you're just making sure that your body is getting recharged. It's like plugging your phone in and getting recharged. And then at the end of deep sleep, phase three, you go into REM sleep, into rapid eye movement, which is a very, very light sleep. And it's very similar to waking consciousness. And it's very similar to waking consciousness. And that's why we often wake up from a dream because we drift back up through REM sleep.

We wake up and then we go back, light sleep, deep sleep, deeper sleep. Oh, I always thought REM was the deepest sleep. Yeah, because they've got your REM cycle. Yeah. But that makes sense. Yeah, that definitely makes sense. So REM's not the deepest. Yeah. I love it when the deepest. Mm-mm. Yeah.

I love it when you see the cats have it. Their eyes are shuddering and you're like, oh, you're off to sleep having a good dream. Okay, so where are we at? Nightmares. Oh, nightmares. So we did talk a little bit about nightmares and why so and why we had them you did say that i don't know if you want to speak that more but also i asked jim if children have more nightmares than

adults and he said no but they do go on about them but he says it's a reinforced fearful feeling of guilt things you're afraid of darwinish way but you kind of went over them already but maybe if you want to talk about that night terrors together maybe yeah so so nightmares are those really powerful emotions jim mentioned something uh really interesting about um your dad talking about childhood dreams and there's a so i did um a book the top 100 dreams that forrest mentioned that's 100 most common dreams from around the world and the 17th most common dream from around the world is children in jeopardy and that's your your children are some sort of danger and you're trying to save them so because we create the dream everything the dream represents something in our waking life and we use children not to represent our real children but we use children

to represent something that is really close to our heart, something that we are trying to develop and trying to nurture. I'm quite close to my son. He represents my car. Which car? I don't know. So your son would represent some creative project that you're working on and you feel that you may be neglecting

or you feel that you need to develop and nurture more or you feel it's threatened somehow. So that's what you're telling yourself in the dream. Right. And so do people without children have these dreams as well? Because I only started having it once my son was born. Yeah, so it becomes more intense when your son is born because dreams are this processing of images,

but we use the images symbolically to represent other things. So you dream that you want to protect your son, but then your son becomes that symbol of your creative process. It's something where you have conceived an idea, you've had the seed of an idea, you've brought it to life and you're trying to nurture it and develop it into something that can stand on its own two feet. So that's how you symbolise it.

Now, when children watch movies and we say, no, no, don't watch that, it'll give you nightmares, is that a real thing? No, because a movie is usually something quite abstracted. You watch it on a screen, and even though you're watching it in some immersive experience, like in a big IMAX theater, you still know it's kind of a screen. If you're using an immersive video game, particularly a VR headset, virtual reality or augmented reality, then that can have a far more emotional effect on a child. To that point, though, wouldn't it be the exposure of those images,

whether they're graphic or a monster or something like that, that now can be part of your dreams or nightmares that would make it more likely that they're able to have bad dreams or something like that? Because the child isn't experiencing it firsthand, Kelly, it's still that kind of abstracted thing. So it might use that image from there. So, you know, it might use something from the Lion King,

saying, oh, that's, you know, that symbolizes pride. You know, lions are all about pride. Or something from Frozen or anything like that. It represents that quality. It's the thing we were talking about before, that in real life the thing is the what, but in the dream the image you produce is the why. Why is this thing important?

Why is it meaningful? Yeah, because I watched Child's Play when I was five and I had nightmares about Chucky every day for three years. But it must have, I mean, obviously it was representing something else, but that was a bad move. I'll tell you what my one was. I watched The Dark Crystal, right?

And you know how the Skeksis are like the villains in it, those things with like bird-like faces. They look like vultures type of thing. They were the ones who were meant to be scary. I wasn't scared by them in the slightest. I was scared by the gilflings who were the good ones. Yeah. Who had the little faces and they used to go,

and they were scared, right? And the gilflings scared the shit out of me, but I was too embarrassed to tell my brothers and my parents that it was the gilflings. So I used to go, oh, the Skeksis, the Skeksis, and the Skeksis didn't bother me to the extent that my brother would go, oh, I'm a Skeksis. They're trying to upset me and I'd act scared like, oh,

because I didn't want him to find out my shameful secret, which is I'm afraid of gilflings. he knows he knows now i think i'll find out you came clean yeah yeah even now they brought out the dark crystal again on netflix and i thought i'm old enough now and i put it on for about 10 minutes get away from me um wait so our night terror is related to nightmares or is that something different? Yeah, so going back to children's dreams. Oh, sorry, sorry, yeah. Yeah, so children dream a lot.

So it depends on the child's age, but around about half of a child's sleep is dreaming. A newborn baby is all dreams. And the reason for that is we are updating our sense of self. And when you're newly born, just everything is is new like their dreams must be simple as fuck because i remember when my son discovered his hands yeah they're they're like your dreams which is all boobs yeah yeah oh yeah well my my son used to do a thing when he was a baby which i used to look at him like you idiot right when he was like a little baby he used to pull his own hair and be screaming because he thought someone was pulling his hair. He didn't understand it was him doing it.

He was just there going, ah, he's not pulling my hair. Then after he started discovering his hand, he was like, oh, I won't trust that thing again. I know that's off topic, but that used to make me laugh. So yeah, you reckon baby dreams. So what do you think baby dreams like kelly says boobs i say i say it's uh oh imagine sitting upright oh what would that'd be all right i would say vaginas oh yeah or uterus yeah no yeah i imagine there's a lot of dreams i'm stuck in a cave like a lot of their dreams like like like a like a taiwanese soccer team

you know what it is instead of don't go to the light the light it's like go to the light go to the light it's the opposite it's the opposite of when you die maybe that's what it is i don't know we're speculating and the thing about night terror so there's a thing called sleep paralysis which adults experience which is when you you wake up but you feel you can't move your body. That's different from a night terror. So night terrors are usually experienced by children. And as you grow as a child, your brain is still very, very plastic and it's still developing and it's moving around a lot and the chemistry is changing. a lot and the chemistry is changing so all the usual mechanisms that we use as adults to have these 90 minute cycles and sleep properly and so on and that's still growing so it's not quite

finished yet and that's why children sleepwalk a lot but the reason they have night terrors is that they become awake or they appear awake it's kind of like sleepwalking they're still asleep so your child will just like sit boat upright in the bed and might start screaming and obviously you get very upset and think the child is really upset but the reality is the child never usually has any memory of that just you know something happened in their sleep and it wasn't a big deal sleep paralysis is where your mind wakes up before your body. So we were saying before with the hypnic jerks that you relax all your muscles. And sometimes if you're really, really fatigued and your body's really tired, your mind will wake up,

but your body is still in that sleeping state and it feels like you're paralyzed. And then you feel really anxious, so your chest constricts because your breathing is really shallow. So it can feel like someone's sitting on your chest or hugging you from behind. Oh, so it's not ghosts. I've been telling everybody it was ghosts that are holding me down when I wake up.

Yeah, I was never there. Sounds fun. I've got two questions here, two part of which i know we didn't talk and i don't know if this is your expertise but um okay so sleepwalking is is you that's a dream so in sleepwalking so what happens so we're talking about um why you don't remember your dreams and another reason is that when you go to sleep that relaxation your brainstem secretes a substance called glycine uh into your muscles which effectively paralyzes them so you don't thrash around in your sleep so if that isn't working as well as it should then you'll start to act out

your dreams so people talk quite a lot in their dreams uh i talk constantly people can have conversations with me my wife my wife chats to me in my sleep and she gets information and everything but i i i i yeah yeah if she wants to know who's sarah no no she's no no she she there's no sarah honey um she she talks to me constantly in my in my sleep and i i'm real chatty in my sleep. And, like, she's recorded me, and it's quite coherent. And sometimes it's gibberish, but the words, you can hear them very clearly. Is that dreaming, and why can she have a conversation?

Is she in my dream while that's happening? What's happening there, Jim, is because the dreaming state, the REM state, is very close to waking, there's – remember we were talking about the Korean thing, the hypnagogia yeah so hypnagogic state is you are kind of floating between waking and dreaming it's very similar to lucid dreaming and so in that state you both have waking and dreaming consciousness so you're dreaming and you're creating dream imagery but we often pick up on sound that's why sounds wake us up it's that alert thing so you pick up on a sound and and you weave it into your dream so if you say

like a fire engine goes past or a bell goes off the classic one is the alarm clock going off you hear a bell going past you think oh the house is on fire there's a fire engine going past in your dream so we weave other information sensory information from around us into your dreams so if your wife sends stuff to you you'll start replying to them now sleepwalking here's my brother is that is i know michael bigley did a thing was it on sleepwalking yeah he did a whole comedy yeah like he has to time i never saw but i know it's about he used to tie himself down in hotel beds and stuff like that because when he's in a different because in case he walks out or on a balcony um my brother is a sleepwalk maybe five times in my childhood he used to sleepwalk so awesome like he used to put he's like go out his bedroom window and like he's he snuck out a few times when

he was a kid and then when he was sleepwalking he figured out that if you put his doona over the ledge it wouldn't hurt his arms as much or the ledge of the window so he put that out so within his sleepwalking he learned how to he was smarter he was smarter asleep right and he put a duvet over the ledge i think and he climbed out the window and then he walked out and then he went into the garage and slept in the front seat of the car. This was asleep just in the garage, just sleeping out there. Another time I was coming back from a shift. Who was this?

This is Scott. Scott, yeah. I was coming back from a shift from McDonald's at 12 o'clock as my parents made me do at 14 years of age after working down the fucking coal mine for the rest of the fucking day i was i was working with vats of oil at 14 so i could have five dollars an hour so you people could give me a good work ethic well i proved you wrong anyway so i i came i came home in me greased up mcdonald's outfit and scott already been asleep and he came out like a feral animal into the backyard just looking at me he'seral animal into the backyard, just looking at me.

He's just in his underwear. He's just staring at me like in the bushes like he saw. And then like he saw me and then he scurried back into the house and then he ran down the hallway and then he got into the bathtub and he's sitting in the bathtub. He's got himself naked now. He's sitting in the bathtub washing himself like with make-believe water. And I'm having a chat with him and I went, all right, good night, mate. And then another time he had this friend called Tim.

He woke up, me and David were watching the World Cup at rugby, so it was like midnight or 1 o'clock in the morning. Scott wasn't interested. It was like 1 o'clock in the morning because we were watching it in England. And Scott walks out and goes, hi, everyone. And we're like, hey, Scott. He goes, yeah, Tim's dead. So casually. And we went, oh, that's no good. He goes, oh, what's dead. So casually.

And we went, oh, that's no good. He goes, oh, what are you going to do? And then he goes back into his room and goes to sleep. He was a great sleepwalker. It was very interesting. I've sleptwalked a little bit where I get up and I go and sit on a chair on the other side of the room and that's it. And then –

What's the thing? Glycine? Glitching. Glitching. When your brain glitches. Huh? Sorry? Glycine. G-ing, glitching when your brain glitches? Huh? Sorry. Glycine G L Y C I N. So if you were if that was something your body wasn't producing, is it something you can take? So you don't sleep

well? Because it'd be dangerous, right? Yeah, so I'm not a medical doctor. Yeah, we're talking about sleepwalking. To advise on that. And i'd be getting into injecting into your bottom territory gets rid of the car you know what let's get back to dream so let's get back so i thought that was a here we go i got one more dream question to people are people in a coma are they dreaming it depends jim so again it it's that spectrum of how much consciousness they have. So some people do report very, very vivid dreaming episodes

on waking from a coma and other people don't. So it depends what parts of their brain are not functioning in the coma. My mother in the last week of her life was basically not in a coma, but she wasn't waking up. You know, her kidneys were shutting down and she was coming towards the end and she didn't wake up for about five days or something towards the end. They had her on drugs, right? They had her on morphine and everything like that.

And she was just waiting for her organs to stop basically. And was she dreaming? Would have that been a dreaming thing? Her brain was still lucid, I imagine. She might have been, Jim. I've done a lot of work with Alzheimer's patients, and if they dream or not, because, again, it comes back to the memory thing, which is very, very interesting,

that they will recall lots of memories from quite long ago, but not recently. So your mother may have been dreaming. All right. So lucid dreams, Jim says, when you can control the narrative in the dream. Yeah, so that was pretty close, Jim. But you can't control the dream but you can make

choices in it so people think they will learn how to lucid dream because they won't get chased by various things from the dark crystal because they can control it there's the skeksis i tells you i didn't like to say jim i don't want to bring that up again but in that you can make choices in the dream so in lucid dreaming you become aware that you're dreaming and usually what happens when you become aware that you're dreaming is that you just wake up and people make a really big deal a bit of lucid dreaming that they say that you have to have certain spiritual beliefs so you have to follow a certain diet or go and live in a dojo or an ashram for a few months but the reality is we all lucid dream at least twice a night naturally and we can use that to to build on that so

the hypnagogic thing when you're falling asleep there's at that moment when that uncommanded image flashes into your brain that's the very moment you're falling asleep and you have the opportunity at that point to play around with that image to think oh I've made this image that I wasn't expecting and the other part of it is in the morning the waking phase it's called the hypnopompic phase and in that when you start to wake from a dream you still have some dream imagery in your mind, what you can do is play around with that image. So that's the key thing in learning how to lucid dream is playing around with an image and making choices with it. So say that you're dreaming of a tree.

You can make the tree bigger or smaller. Or give it tits. Well, again, I did like to say, Jim, I was going to use a rapture example, but I thought I'd go for a tree. Your tick gave me a splinter. The worst. And when you say daydreaming, because when someone says, oh, I was off with the fairies, is that a real thing because you're awake or is that just letting your mind wander?

So in daydreaming, well, in daydreaming, it's usually quite a conscious process. You're letting your mind wander, but you're connecting things consciously and usually quite logically. But in a nighttime dream, you are using a different type of logic and it's far more about the connection. So in the daytime, in daydreamingreaming you're using what's known as aristotelian logic it's all cause and effect but in the dream it's non-aristotelian there's no cause and effect you're just making all these connections at a much deeper level because no one ever die nightmares do they you never see someone just sitting there in their chair just looking up in the distance sorry sorry i was off with the devils

in the distance. Ah! Sorry, sorry. I was off with the devils. Woo! That was tough. People who have hallucinations and certainly people who have some mental health issues who are perhaps schizophrenic.

Ah, yeah. Does weed help your dreams? Because I find out I have different different dreams on weed i definitely have different dreams on mushrooms and then there's like there was a anti-smoking drug which a few of my friends took that they said they had some good chantix who people said they had crazy ass dreams and i think that's even in the warning on the ambient is like a weird like everyone reports stuff like that yeah i'm sure i don't know so know. So is that a real thing or is it just... That's definitely a real thing. So anything that alters your natural brain chemistry

will affect your dreaming. So things like sleeping pills, things like Ambien, shrooms, there's a thing called galamantine, which people try and use to do with their dreaming, but you usually end up having really bad trips with it so all those things altering your brain chemistry will give you different types of dreams and and the worst ones are using nicotine patches when you're trying to give up smoking because smoking suppresses dreaming activity so it reduces oxygen flow to the brain and nicotine suppresses dreaming activity so when you quit cigarettes then you start to dream more and then because you get the buzz from the nicotine patch slowly feeding in it really amps up your dream so you have these crazy nicotine nightmares that's really interesting okay Okay. So you get more nightmares.

Okay, so you said these drugs can suppress your dreams. Well, nicotine can suppress them. Smoking can suppress them. Nicotine can make them go into a nightmare. Is there anything detrimental to having bad dreams to your psyche or to your well-being? That's a fabulous question. I mean, all your questions have been fabulous. I'm very good, thank you.

Best question ever. I'm the new Parkinson. That's a really great question because people often think that dreams are bad and say, oh, can you stop be dreaming and all these things. The function of the dream is to update your sense of self. And so all you're doing in the dream is understanding who you are,

who you've been, but most importantly, who you can become. So usually what happens in a dream, when you're dreaming of being guilty about something, then it's not because you have done something bad to someone else. It's not, it's because you've betrayed yourself in some way. You've let yourself down. So when you have the dream of not being prepared for a test or taking a test or being unprepared for an exam, Jim,

that you're talking about before your stand-up gig, the way that I work with dreams, I work with language. So I don't do the pointy hat, swirly cape stuff, and I don't do lots of white lab coat and clipboard stuff. The way we work with dreams is to work with language. And the reason for that is that the main way that we express our emotions in waking life is through metaphors and idioms. So we do it through linguistic images like banging my head off a brick wall.

I've got a mountain to climb. It's an uphill struggle, floods of tears. So that's why we use imagery in dreams, we use the same type of imagery in waking life. So when you dream that you are unprepared for an exam, then the language around that, so exams are about being judged, examining, being critical, allowing other people to judge you, but what you're actually doing in the dream is you're judging yourself too harshly. You've been far too self-critical because in your stand-up, you want it to be as good as it can be, to be really perfect. So you're constantly

re-examining it and being critical of yourself and thinking, I could have done that a bit better or I should have done that or should have waited a beat for that response. So that's what you do in the unprepared for the exam for the test stream. You're constantly examining your performance and judging it against perfection. Oh, so they really are metaphors, your dreams. They really are things that... So, okay, that's taking it. What about being naked in public? Naked in public. So again, just working with the what's and the why's. So why do our clothes, what do our clothes represent? So the why of clothes is, apart from keeping us warm, is how we present our self-image to other people. And we choose that, we choose the persona, the self-image that we show to other people in waking life. If we're not wearing

any clothes in the dream, then we feel vulnerable and exposed. We feel that other people can see the real us that we might not want them to see, apart from in Jim's school bus dream where he's happily waving his pulley around. I'm not happily. I just think I have the confidence to play it off. It is what it is.

I'm not happy. I wish I wore pants. Let's make the best of a bad situation. That's how I'm looking at it. In an ideal world, I'll be wearing pants. Yeah, pants are full. And then... Sorry.

So in that dream, there's something where you feel a bit vulnerable. So it might have been at school where you felt that, again, you're being judged in some way or you're going into a new class or you're learning a new subject. There's also the symbol of trousers, which are usually the symbol of grown-up men and malehood. So you maybe felt that you weren't grown up enough. Yeah.

No, because that is true. That was sort of the year, and I'm not saying this to be crude, sort of the year when all the other boys had pubes, and I was like a year younger than everybody else else and I just didn't quite have pubes. And I had that one year where in gym class I was like, I don't want to take my pants off. And everyone with a hairy dick was just like, fuck, look at my hairy dick.

They were walking around naked. And then there was me and another couple of blokes who were like, oh, it's going to get changed over here. Then 20 years later they want to shave it. Not even probably, 15. Manscaped. Yeah, I don later, they want to shave it. Not even, probably. Manscaped. Yeah, I don't think they're our sponsor anymore. I still like the product.

Free plug. Jack was shaking his head up and down. I don't know. Losing teeth? That's like a common dream. Do you have that dream? Yeah, I have losing teeth. I brought it out of my head.

The losing teeth I've heard is something to do with worrying about money. Is that correct? I've heard this somewhere. No. Okay. That's the dream where you don't have any money. Yeah, that one where your pockets go inside out. And you're like, I've got no pension on.

So what teeth symbolize are power and confidence. So we tend to show our teeth for too many occasions. That checks out. One is smiling. And that is, so we show our teeth, we're happy, we're confident. And the other one is where we're kind of snarling and asserting ourselves and being angry. So teeth symbolize power and confidence.

So if your teeth are falling out, then there's some situation in your waking life where you feel you're losing your power and your confidence. And Jack has this nightmare on the regular. You can't see Jack. Jack is, you can only hear him. But you just described him. Yeah.

That's crushing. I thought I was just worried about losing teeth in real life. He's a real fear as well. He's not powerful or confident. Okay, I do have another recurring dream, which is there's a red light coming up and I can't slow down because the brakes don't work and I run through the red light.

Oh, that's a positive thing. That means you're going to come into wealth. That's actually the eighth most common dream, Jack. I'm somewhat normal. Yeah, there's a lot of fuck-ups in this planet. And what vehicles represent, Jack, is you're trying to get somewhere in your career with an idea or a project.

So it's all about your personal drive and ambition. In Jack's dream, he can't get out of the driveway. The parking brake won't come off. He's sitting in the passenger seat going, this can't be right. Still runs the red light sorry i cut you off sorry it was worth it yeah so in that dream you think um sometimes it's about taking a more measured approach to where you're going rather than feeling that you're trying to put the brakes on suddenly

things have got a bit out of control, perhaps with someone who you work closely with. I don't want to go through all these, because I'm sure in your book, the top 100 dreams, the dreams that we all have and what they really mean. Is the pissing on your leg and thinking you're standing in front of the toilet, that's a real thing, right?

It is. It's actually the third most common dream. Pissing on your leg, but's um quite idiosyncratic but not being able to find a toilet and again working with language we have this phrase needing the toilet if you can't find a toilet it suggests that in your waking life you spend all your time looking after the needs of other people that's me sometimes attending to your own needs no i do that one a lot but that is something you have to get the book you have to get the book i'm definitely getting the book okay um so this kind of leads me into the thing we

talk about recurring dreams and i didn't ask this but like why do different people have similar dream themes like if they we didn't even talk about our dreams for us but everyone's having that same dream like how does that happen well because if everything is a metaphor yeah so the two things there for us so one is um recurring dreams so we we touched on this a little bit in the nightmare as we were talking about is you're creating a dream and you're processing information and you're sending yourself a message in the form of images to do something with in waking life and if you don't take action on that dream, because a dream is just a dream until you put it into action, if you don't take action on that dream,

you will keep sending yourself that message until you do take action. I had this client a while ago who was an 82-year-old man and he'd been having a recurring dream three nights a week for 65 years. And it was about some unfortunate incident in puberty. And he was trying to resolve this for 65 years. And once we worked through the dream, he never had the dream again.

So that's what a recurring dream does. So what's that gone? The reason that we have common dream themes is that we're all human beings and we have quite similar psychologies. So we dream, as Jim was saying, we dream metaphorically, we dream linguistically. So if we are trying to achieve a higher level in waking life, we dream of going up a slope. If we dream of encountering some emotional barrier in dreams, emotions are symbolized by water so we dream of to cross a river or get across a sea or we're trying to navigate a boat somehow so we all tend that's why the top 100

dreams is currently in 14 languages these patterns are universal throughout the world that because of human physiology and the human landscape, we all have similar dream patterns. I tell you, I'm fascinated by this. Actually, we'll buy the book. Yeah, me too. I want to wake up in the morning and have a look at what was that all about. I know you already listed a couple of them. Can you give us the top five dreams?

I want to tick off all the people in the room who have had these top five dreams. I think you've mentioned two of them already. Yeah, so we've done five of them actually. We have. So is it the pants? What's number one? Number one? Number one is being chased.

Being chased. Yeah, I had that. I used to have a cliche one where it was a werewolf and then I would hide in a wardrobe and I would peer through the crack and him and another werewolf would just be like snarling, just going, where is he? I can smell him like that right that was terrifying right so i've had that one yeah no one being chased

number two is teeth problems so losing teeth jack's got that all day jack's got that all day yeah but forest yeah you've got power and confidence confidence coming out the wazoo it gives me the lack of confidence I'm a supporter tough love number three is toilet troubles not being able to find a toilet I've never had that you've never had the one where you think you're standing in front of a toilet and you're not and you're like I'm not I mean I wake up like five or six times a night to pee and I just go to the bathroom

I only have it about once every two years I don't recall that at least. I've had it at least 15 times in my life. It means you care about others and I have it a lot. Every night. Okay. Number four is naked in public.

Naked in public, yeah. We've had that one. Number five is unprepared for an exam. Okay, I'm going to throw you a curveball because you've got 100 in your book. What's number 98? Number 98 is Travelling to the Future. Man,

I never have that one. That one sounds cool. That's 98. It's not that common. 76. 76. You're testing me now, Jim. So 76

is A Leaking Ruth. Wow. We don't know if he's right or wrong. He could just be making up a story. I'm getting the book. We'll buy the book and we'll copy him back. What the fuck are you lying?

I'll come back and go, Ian's full of shit. He's a bloody leaking roof. I'll tell you, this is a dream I had. I kind of run out of time, but there's a couple of things I want to ask you. He's proving it. That's fucking good. Number 76. Wow.

After my mom died, my mom died about a year and a half ago, and after she died, I kept having dreams that she hadn't died, but she was about to die again, and I had to, like, help her die again. Number 48. Classic. It was not fun. Yeah, that's the 20th most common dream. So you're quite close, Jim.

Really? So again, Forrest, when we dream, we create all the characters in the dream. And what's the one quality that you associate with your mother, Forrest? Just like kindness, I guess. Yeah. Okay.

So we use the characters in the dream to characterize characteristics that we have the potential to develop in waking life. He doesn't. He didn't pick up that trait from his mother. Sometimes, some days. So when you have that, so what you do when a loved one passes away

is that you use them to represent those qualities that you loved in the most that you associate most with them and you have the potential to use that quality so even though they are no longer here physically you still carry that quality inside you and they kind of live on inside you because of that's way better than her just watching her die i was like this is terrible okay um okay i just want to go through these kind i know we just want to see what the right answer was because we're getting we got to kind of wrap up here but uh um false awakenings jim said when you pee in your sleep you thought you walked out till you were dreaming that was kind of but what is a false awakening if we can

walked out told you were dreaming that was kind of but what is a false awakening if we can a false awakening is when you um you think that you've woken up in your dream and you kind of get up and dress and eat breakfast that's the worst because you start and then you're still dreaming then yeah you're still dreaming yeah and then you're like, yeah, all set, out the door where you have to go. And then you wake up and think, oh, my, I've done all this already. Yeah. I think I have that a lot. There's nothing worse than the dream where you have to convince yourself that didn't happen.

Yes. It's okay. It didn't happen. I have those ones where I wake up. It doesn't feel dreamy. It just feels like I went into work and I was fired. Yeah, 100%. That seems to be a lot of my dreams lately they're really really mundane things that like could possibly happen at work like this conversation that happened and then i for the rest of the day

i'm like do i need to apologize to say like did i fuck up did i not turn this in i had one this morning this one's fucking bananas i won this one this morning. I woke up. The whole world hasn't been able to work for like 10 months and we all have to wear masks everywhere we go. Wow, what a nightmare. Crazy. Keep that one to yourself. Okay, and my girlfriend asked this one, so I

need to know the answer. Is that as big as it gets? Why is Forrest such an asshole? I asked it at the end. Your mother was was so corn why are you such a dickhead why are certain sensations muted in dreams like when you're running but you can't aren't running fat like it feels like you're stuck in mud or something like that or you hit something and you don't you think you're hitting it hard but you don't hit it hard it's like muted is that you know what i'm talking about yeah so again you just have to work with it symbolically for it. So if your feet are stuck in mud, your feet and your legs and how you make progress,

self-motivated progress in waking life, it's how you take a step. So usually there's something in waking life for your girlfriend, because she's trying to commit to something. I'm not trying to push you here at all for a second. She's trying to commit to something because she's going to take a step. And if you're stuck in mud, the first step is always the hardest one once you get some momentum you get something moving so it's probably something she's got an idea to do and usually in the dream you're kind of leaning forward and because your head is how you think about things

how you theorize them it's like the idea is there in your head and you're moving ahead conceptually with it you actually need to take some practical action. And just very briefly, the 21st most common dream is often a false awakening one. And it's the major cause of upper arm bruising in men. And that's the having an affair dream that your partner dreams that you're having an affair. The one where the woman wakes up and went you cheated on me in my in the sleep and you're in trouble for the whole morning i've never dated a woman who doesn't have that one that's what that one's like this

that's that's female number one you're in trouble for treating them not even cheating just troubling but you you were in my dream and you were awful to me and you're like well i'm sorry about that what did i do i don't want to me. And you're like, well, I'm sorry about that. What did I do? I don't want to talk about it. And you're like, get the fuck out of here. Oh, I've definitely had those dreams. I've never held it against somebody, though.

No, but they find it. It's not that they hold it against you. They're a little curt with you for about 40 minutes after waking up. Yeah, no, I don't blame anybody. But I do, I find that in my dreams, I rarely ever have characters that I haven't met or like dream men or something like that. it's always my friends or family and oftentimes it's more nightmarish where they're trying to kill me in a way that's like tortuous like they're like chopping me into pieces and stuff like that what what's wrong with my brain there's absolutely

nothing it's perfectly perfectly. So what's happening in that dream, Kelly? Again, just the way that dreams are working, because you're creating the dream, then when you feel other people are trying to torture you or kill you, then you feel that you have to be accepted by other people. So you try and behave in a way that's acceptable to other people. And as you do that, a way that's acceptable to other people. And as you do that, one of the things that happens in that, you actually start shutting down parts of your own talent and your own creativity. So when people dream of being guilty of murder, they are actually feeling guilty about trying to kill off some part of themselves. That's usually some creative talent in order to be accepted by their peer group or

their social group. So it's nothing to do with anything bad. It's you saying to yourself, here's something that you need to keep alive and you need to nurture and don't care what other people think about you. You just need to be Kelly. Wow. This is one for the people who are listening at home who might be wondering this question after we talked about it. After you get off the medication or you stop using nicotine, do your dreams go back to normal? Yeah. So you start to have this quite powerful phenomenon called REM rebound that you start to have really, really intense and vivid dreams. to have really intense and vivid dreams. And the same thing happens if you have any form of sleep deprivation, voluntary or involuntary, that the first type of sleep you will have as soon as you fall asleep will be all dreaming, it will be all REM sleep. So I've done some work with some of the

Navy SEALs in the US. And when they do things like the BUDS course and they're up for days on end and they have the chance of an hour to sleep, that hour of sleep is all REM sleep. And you can see them twitching and moving and their eyes moving. So we have this really powerful thing called REM rebound. Alright, well

we clearly were interested in this because we talked for a long time with you and there's a lot more questions we could ask. I'm ordering your book as we speak. If you go to Ian Wall... And I'll be borrowing it off Kelly. If you go to Ian Wallace Dreams, I-A-N-W-A-L-L-A-C-E-D-R-E-A...

God damn it. That sounded way more confusing than it was supposed to be. It'll be up on the screen. Ian Wallace, what were you spelling? I don't know. Ian Wallace dreams. Dreams. Dreams.

D-reams. R like rapid. He's currently having a dream where he can't read. It's in 14 different languages, ladies and gentlemen. If you're in one of those countries that have the languages, well if you're not you're a butt fuck out of luck the books are the top 100 dreams the dreams that we all have and what they really mean and also the complete a to z dictionary of dreams be your own dream expert before you go give us our dinner party fact about dreams so we had the one earlier that when you dream you become sexually aroused yeah

but the other one is people often think of the brain as some sort of computer but it's far far more complex than that in your brain so your brain is comprised of nerve cells called neurons and in your brain you have 100 billion neurons or used to maybe less in some cases i got I got one neuron just sitting by itself going, where did one go? Anybody coming back? Well, that's the most important bit, Jim, is not just the neurons themselves, but how connected they are, the degree of connectivity. And it's estimated that in the brain, there are 10 quadrillion neural connections. So if you have a group of 1,000 people,

they have the same number of neural connections as there are grains of sand on planet Earth. Oh, that's a good one. I like that one. That's a lot. That's intense. All right. Thank you, Eno.

I appreciate you being on the podcast. We enjoyed this very much. Thank you. Very interesting. I hope the people on the podcast. We enjoyed this very much. Thank you. Very interesting. I hope the people listening enjoyed it. If you want to get any more information, reach out to Ian, buy his book. If you're ever at a party and there's some fucking bore, you're at a dinner party, there's some cunt who won't shut up,

and then they go, you know, I never dream. Go, well, I don't know about that. Talk to you next week, America. Hey everybody, Jason Ellis here from the Jason Ellis Show podcast, reminding you that my podcast, new episodes every Wednesday, downloadable where all podcasts are available. Come see my friends, Michael and Kevin, as we talk to you about what's awesome, what sucks, fitness, fighting, parenting, life, spin kicks, LGBTQ community, how to defend yourself against a shark if it attacks you out of nowhere, and much, much more. So come join us.