I Don't Know About That - Exercise Science

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Jim didn't know much about exercise, but now he does thanks to this weeks' expert Charlie Ottinger (@radioactivlife). ADS: BETTERHELP: Visit www.betterhelp.com/IDK today to get 10% off your first month.

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Which one can also have liquid running through it in your house you might find out the answers pipes because I thought you thought smoking pipes was actually when you said by I did think like water pipes if I thought of that my grandfather used to have a pipe, like a pipe. I like them. No one does them anymore, but I always thought it was a good look. I don't think you inhale that smoke, right?

You just put it in your mouth? No, I think that's the same as a cigarette. I don't think it's like a cigar. I don't know. A cigar you don't inhale. But yeah, you pack it in. You pack in the tobacco at the end, and you sort of light it, and you go like that. And then, yeah, he smoked a pipe.

Do you bring it into your lungs? I don't know. Most people don't inhale the smoke into their lungs when smoking a pipe. I've never understood the idea of cigars. Yeah, you just swish it in your mouth. Yeah, cigars just taste gross. They make you smell bad. They're big.

Make your teeth a different color. People love them, though. People love them. I don't fucking get it. Yeah, I don't know people love it do you inhale hookah no no i don't know i don't do anything you should only inhale air people that's all you should ever fucking put in your mouth there and and food water and push a guess other things what about if you played an instrument

oh yeah but okay the only thing you should inhale is air you should never put anything else listen to me kids never put anything else in your lungs

okay the give them what they want tour continues in 2024 it's never gonna end it's gonna go forever well it'll be a different name because you're giving them what they want

I do give them what they want on this tour give them what they want if you like my old specials you're going to love this tour. There's a little bit for everyone. January 12th and 13th. When you're 12th, you'll be in Baltimore, Maryland at the Lyric Baltimore.

And January 13th, you'll be in Boston at the Wang Theater. That was a nice theater. I remember that. And Sacramento after that. Indio, California. Vegas. Des Moines. Kansas City.

Yeah. Big Wang Theater. Big Wang. Then you're in South Africa. Hey, South Africa, I'm coming to see you. We're going to be in Pretoria, which is the town. I don't know. I'm going to the town.

Cape Town and Pretoria. Pretoria is where Oscar lives. And I'm somewhat synonymous with an Oscar Pistorius routine that he must have heard by now. Had to have. He had to have heard. It's right up there. It's one of the better ones.

I wonder if he likes it. If he comes to this show, I won't give him backstage passes. I do not think he likes that routine. I wouldn't risk it. I won't give him backstage passes. Not with the blades. I don't think he wants to have a photo. And I'll have a no blade policy as well,

so I'll see him in the audience. That's it. If you come to my show, if you're wearing fake legs, you're not allowed in. Just for safety. Wait, nobody is? Well, look, I don't know what's happened to him since he's been in prison.

He might have a different look. Yeah, but I'm saying you're saying nobody with fake legs allowed in your show. Just, I can't risk it. Okay. If you've already bought tickets, I'll let you come. Well, if they have the plastic legs no no the plastic ones all day but if you got the flippers if you got the springy i feel like you could sharpen those and make them dangerous

exactly they're called blades yeah yeah and i don't want i don't want to see you there and you bloody cross your blades like this and i'm in the front i'm like fuck that cunt's gonna come and get me he doesn't bounce around stage yeah jumpy jumps yeah no problem I will be at the Sunshine Comedy Festival January people without arms are fully welcome

at this festival although you don't clap no people without arms I'll get rid of them as well what if they hoot and holler what if they hoot and holler if you're a good laugher you get no arms

but we're gonna do it on a person to person basis case to case you have to audition you have to audition andher You get no arms But we're gonna do it On a person to person basis Case to case You have to audition You have to audition Yeah And if you got no arms And no legs

And you got no vocal box Get the fuck out of here Why they can't They can still enjoy it Yeah What if they bring A little laughing machine What you mean

Like a Stephen Hawking Yeah yeah yeah No I don't want that No Don't want that You're out Don't want that Sorry guys

Jim's picky Celebrities Yeah yeah If Don't want that. You're out. Don't want that. Sorry, guys. Jim's picky. Celebrities. Yeah, yeah. If you're missing a head, you're allowed in. Wait a second. I'll let them in. Because they can still clap. What's just that?

Wouldn't you love to... Wouldn't you love... Yeah, they can still clap. But wouldn't you love to sit behind that guy? Oh, yeah. I've got the best view ever. Unfortunately, he's still really tall. This cunt doesn't have a head.

Yeah, but you've got to look at that weird neck. It's like cauterized. And you know they'd put a fake head on it. You know they would. Maybe people won't notice I put my fake head on. Any other stipulations? No, just you can come. No legs aren't allowed in.

No arms can come in if you're a good laugher. No head, no cum. And then we've just... No head, no worries. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but no legs and no arms. Get the fuck out of here.

Get out of there. You bloody pillow with a head. No mouth. I don't want you. Yeah, got it. Sunshine Comedy Vessel, January 11th through 14th. I'll be there come

you can go to the website and get tickets there and I'll be at the Comedy Cellar the last week of January into February come out there and then go to

IDCat Podcast on Instagram and check out the Merman the Merman Podcast please listen to it yeah me and Dave Williamson that's who I'm going to be

at the Sunshine Comedy Festival with Dave Williamson that man has head and arms and legs love him Tampa Tampa St. Peter he's welcome around me whenever he can That's who I'm going to be at the Sunshine Comedy Festival with, Dave Williamson. That man has head and arms and legs. Love him. Tampa, St. Pete area. He's welcome around me whenever he can. Tampa, St. Pete area.

Come out to see Dave Williamson and I. We'll be doing our tang. Yeah. I think that's it. All right. Let's keep going. Okay. Now let's meet our guest, Charlie Ottinger.

G'day, Charlie. Now it's time to play... Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Judging a book by its cover.

All right, Charlie, he has a diploma behind him from Concordia University. Is that a real place? I hope so. It doesn't sound real. I know it is. I'm actually impressed you can see that. That's pretty cool. Oh, I have eyes of a hawk when a camera is directly on something.

He's got a fish, too. And he's got one of those fishes that sings Take Me to the River or whatever. I have one of those above my tail. Yeah, everyone has one. Billy the Bass. Whoever made Billy the Bass has fucking got shit loads of money. Is that what you call Billy the Bass? Yeah, that cunt's going to be fucking,

he's going to die with cocaine and prostitutes going, I invented Billy the Bass. My wife, God bless her soul, she wanted to just put a fish up there, and I said, make it sing. And the rest is history. Some people inherit a house or money or a car from their grandparents. I inherited Big Mouth Billy Bass.

Big Mouth Billy Bass? From your grandparents? Yeah, that was my grandpa's. That was all you got from him or are you waiting for a bit more to filter down? You know, as of right now, I have that and a red firetruck toy. Ah, mate. Well, you know the old saying, the man who has a Billy Big that and a red firetruck toy. Ah, mate. Well, you know the old saying, the man who has a Billy Big Bass and a red firetruck toy

is wealthy in heart or something? Yeah, that's exactly how it goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Socrates. That's it, Socrates. Okay, so is it Billy Big Bass, the history of Billy Big Bass? I wish. We definitely have to do that.

Yeah, now we have have to do that write that down is it okay so so you went to university and you also you have a wonderful speaking voice the warm timber of your voice sounds like um like that who's that sports commentator Joe Buck you got a bit of Joe Buck in your voice a little bit of Joe Buck yeah a little bit I hear that from time to time but nothing was speaking have you oh okay no well not I don't think you bit of Joe Buck in your voice. A little bit of Joe Buck. Yeah, a little bit. I hear that from time to time, but nothing was speaking. Have you? Oh, okay. I don't think you look like Joe Buck, but you sound like Joe Buck. And that's where he makes his big money. You've got BC, British Columbia on your jersey.

Is it the area of British Columbia in Canada? No, it's not. Is it before Christ? Are we talking about things before Christ? No. You can tell them what the BC stands for. It's not going to help them. What does the BC stand for?

It's for Barton College. That's where I work. But you graduated from Concordia. Concordia. Yeah, I don't have to go to school here. All right. So you're a university lecturer? Yes, basically.

Okay. Okay. Now, so this is a new question. This is a way I could figure out who it is. Okay. So is your class mostly men or boys? You know, I'd say we're about 50-50. That's not going to help you at all.

I was going to go car mechanic or something. I was going to win this way. You asked me on the way here because you gave me a ride here. You said, I told you this is somewhat topical this time of year. Is it Christmas? Didn't let me finish. No okay i'll tell you a quick i value a very quick story very quickly my brother who's in the room with us right now um he had a he had a star in his eye he looks terrible but by the time this by the time this

podcast is happening he'll be back to normal we hope we hope anyway so we were there and there was a there was a mexican lady an older mex lady. Her race doesn't make any difference, but she was an older lady. She was in the waiting room and the nurse is asking a whole lot of questions like, when was the last time you had this? And they were doing a full health check on her. I know when this woman started menstruating and when she stopped menstruating. She started at 16 and she stopped at her 50s. She was adamant, right?

She was 82 years old and she kept talking, kept talking. And then they go, do you ever feel hot? Do you ever feel cold? And when they went, do you ever feel cold? And she goes, more so this time of year. So that's on her medical record. The December months are a bit more chilly in her world. Anyway, is it that 80-year-old woman we're talking about?

No, but I'd like to learn more about her. Oh, I've already told you how much she menstruated. She had three kids. I said to you that this was topical this time of year, maybe not this week, maybe in a couple weeks. Christmas. And a couple weeks, maybe a week after that. New Year's Eve. Yeah, it's topical around that time.

And pertinent to somebody that's on this podcast that has to deal with this now probably as a take it head on. Oh, Santa Claus. What are you talking about? I thought you were getting a job as a Santa Claus. What? Because Christmas. I don't look anything like him.

Fat. Your body. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that beard. You wear a fake beard. What? Because Christmas. I don't look anything like him. Fat. Your body. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that beard. You wear a fake beard. The worst Santa beard I've ever had. I'd imagine Santa Claus with this voice though. And I was like,

yeah, hey kid. What do you want? Sit on my lap. I don't know. Do they even make those? You know, there's no real Santa. Why am I even doing

an impression of myself? What you want is, what you want is buggy, boggle or yahtzee. Boggle? Yeah, boggle. Santa loves boggle. Boggle or life. I'll find out life sucks.

All right, so is it Forrest playing Santa? Okay, I need a hint. What do I need to do? Oh, grow a beard to play Santa? No. Is it beard growing? I have health issues. Okay, I need a hint. What do I need to do? Oh, grow a beard to play Santa. No. Is it beard growing? I have health issues. Is it weight loss?

See, now it's like, what do you need to do? And I go, how do you get to weight loss? Oh, you eat less. All right. What we're talking about is exercise science. Exercise science? Yeah, why is there a question mark after that? Is that a real thing?

I thought we all know that you exercise, and that's good for you. Yeah, but how do you think they figure out what exercise to do what? Well, what it does is it speeds up your heart. Hold on. Just stop. Just stop. There's plenty of time for questions. I mean, we could stop right now.

That's 10 out of 10 right there. Charlie Odinger is an assistant professor of exercise science at Barton College, B.C. He has over a decade of experience as a personal trainer and strength and conditioning coach. He is also currently a consultant in both human performance research and military special forces training. Previously competed as an elite power lifter, and he's a certified strength and conditioning specialist and also a certified exercise physiologist. conditioning specialist, and also a certified exercise physiologist, over a dozen published journal articles, and he is also the owner and founder of RadioactiveLife.com,

which specializes in helping people find their fitness wavelength. You can find him on Instagram, at Charlie Oettinger. That's O-T-T-I-N-G-E-R. So over a dozen. That says personal page not worth following. Good for putting that in there, Charlie. Go to at Radioactive Life, and there's no E in radioactive. At Radioactive Life for fitness info, tips, et cetera.

I'll say those again at the end of the show so you guys can get them. Yeah, you can tell us a little bit more how you got into this, Charlie. So wait a minute. So over a dozen published articles. So that means 13, right? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Otherwise, you would have gone over 10.'s like when i hit 20s i can say

10 neil brennan the other day said i was in his top 15 comedians yeah so you're like so i'm 11 i'm 11 to yeah 11 through 15 yeah like if i come in third yeah he's not gonna go top 15 is he if you ever went to someone you're in my top 98 comedians. Oh, I wonder what number I might be. 43. The 50s, maybe, yeah. Yeah. So 13 articles.

That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Baker's dozen articles. Yeah. Because that's why bakers, this leads back to it. Bakers, they get the extra bit because they're fat fucks. So have you always been into this, Charlie? Is this you studied and you've been in this your whole life?

Yeah, actually, it's funny. I have pictures from like when I was six years old on the beach, like flexing my muscles because that's, you know, I was just a weird kid. And, you know, fast forward to high school, I started working out to get better at sports. And then pretty soon I liked working out more than I liked playing sports. And it really worked in my favor because I wasn't good enough at sports to do anything with them anyways so ended up going to college for exercise science and it's you know it's that funny topic that you

you tell somebody I'm going to go major in exercise science and they're like what the hell is that it's kind of like you just work out and it's good for you and that's it there's your degree well it's a roundabout way of saying that, but ended up going to grad school because you kind of have to do that and exercise science. And then I always wanted to teach and to teach in a STEM field, you have to get a PhD. So I went ahead and did that. I've been kind of personal training all along and it's been a journey. So I used to love working out. Now I just work out because I know I have to and I really hate working out these days. And I think that helps me relate to people.

So that's kind of where I'm going with radioactive life these days. I had one period, there was one period I was living in England where I worked out every day for about five months. And I was still drinking and everything, but it was quintessentially the fittest I've ever been. Now, I work out about twice a week at the moment. You know, look, I take steroids. I'm a 12-year-old girl.

Well, I don't know if people know that. No, but I worked out for five months nonstop. And the reason I stopped was because I'd heard from people who exercise all the time, eventually I would get into it and I would start looking forward to it and I would miss it if I didn't do it. I never liked it, not once. I did it every day for five months.

At the end of it, every time was like this. But I still did it and I still do it now because I think it's an important thing to do. I have push-up competitions with my son. That's one of the big things we do. That's cool. Yeah, yeah we do. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.

Yeah, we log in like 350 push-ups in a day. Like if we start in the morning, at the end of it, you're fucking dead. You're dead. It's tough. It's tough if you do. That's a lot. It's a lot. No, we start in the morning.

You've got to do lots of 10. And then like the other person has to be in the same room as you when you do it. And the wife adjudicates as well. If you're a professor of exercise science, you have to stay in shape. You can't show up. You can't show up to class. I've got a theory on this because I have a friend. I'm not going to say who he is.

And he's a really nice guy. And he lost a lot of weight. And he became a personal trainer. He and he lost a lot of weight and he became like a personal trainer he's also a static committee but then he gained a lot of the weight back right and so he's like oh it's very hard to personal train when you show up fat but this is the thing right forrest you could be a personal trainer oh yeah you just say you used to be 600 pounds oh yeah that's a good point you top end it you top end it and people are gonna be like wow you're fucking smashed it no there's too many pictures of me

on the internet no no no you got rid of all the bad photos you don't live in the past man you don't live in the past you're you're fucking you're fucking personal training in the future all right here's what we're gonna do get shredded Get shredded like Forrest. I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about exercise science. At the end of that, Charlie, you're going to grade him on his accuracy, zero through ten, ten being the best. Jackson, grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on how hungry I am. And at the end of that, we're going to add all the scores together.

And if you score 21 through 30, this is a very dated reference, though. We're going to pump. Pump it up. You up. Hans and Frans. Pump it real good. Remember them? No, no, no.

I didn't see any SNL until I moved here. You're not going to get this next one. I know of. I saw the Dana Carvey documentary. We're going to pump you up. 11 through 20. Listen to me now and believe me later you don't know that one that was from honda franz yeah okay zero through 10 what do you think it is

um pumped jack any guesses no jacked girly men good guess because that's what they say but zero through 10 fat disgusting blob with no redeeming qualities whatsoever kill yourself yourself. Oh. It's a little harsh, that one. That takes a harsh turn. Yeah, yeah, it does. You shouldn't say that sentence while you have indigestion. It wasn't indigestion. It's because I'm getting over this cold. All right, I'm dying.

All right, let's start here. Jim, what is exercise science? It's the science of exercise. What you do is, right, it's like you might go to the gym and just exercise, lift up a few heavy things, run in spot and skip on some rope and all that type of stuff. But what's the science behind it? I'm glad you asked.

Yeah, great. It's things like when you lift something up repetitively over and over again, why does that build muscle? How does it build muscle? What is the science? When you exercise and your heart rate goes up, how does that burn calories? Alright, we're moving to the next thing. We're not doing this. Maybe we can go to university and learn some more. Okay. Okay.

What is kinesiology? Ooh. So, kinesi. Kinesi. Is that when you go, like, you stop eating carbs and you start, like, and you piss on a stick or you wet on a stick, and then it says you're in ketosis. Is it ketosis?

Because ketosis is the burning. Your body goes into ketosis, which means it's burning more rapidly the fat. Boom. I fucking figured it out, bitches. Great. Good for you. It's the burning of fat of the body.

It's how your body changes with the times. You're not going to do well in confidence because you keep asking, is that correct? No, no, no, no, no. Who were the first people to exercise? Adam and Eve. It was probably him running away from it because she wouldn't shut up. And then he was like, oh, no, no, that's probably a bit mean-spirited.

I mean, mean to Eve. Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, they would have run. Any more biblical people? Yeah, Bible. Noah. Noah. He was on the ark diet. The fucking get ripped with ark.

Is this your final answer? You playing a bit of wood. The arc diet. Or what do you mean? The first rule to exercise. What a ridiculous. Jane Fonda. Okay, that's a good answer.

Jane Fonda was the guy who had the Olympic. They had the big stone above him. They had the book that came out. Atlas. Yeah, Atlas. He did it. Atlas. Okay.

Who is Eugene Sandow and why is he relevant first person exercise next fucking question who is eugene sandow why is he relevant to exercise science eugene okay eugene's nerds name eugene would have been picked on in school being called eugene he's like you fuck off when i'm older. You fuck off. It might be Eugene. Yeah. And there you go, Eugene Edwards. And then they stoned his house. And then he went to get back in his house. He's like, these fucking people. He lifted all the rocks and moved them. And then the next day he woke up and he went, ooh, ooh.

Felt a bit tense in the arms. And then he noticed his arms had had more definition. And so he turned the negative into a positive. Thank you, Eugene, and all the work that you've done. What is the hill muscle model? The hill muscle model. I once went out with a model who lived in the hills. Does that count?

Sure. Yeah. Her name was Vanessa. What are the muscles? She wasn't as toned as you think. No. I don't remember Vanessa. That's why What are the muscles? She wasn't as toned as you think. No. I don't remember Vanessa. That's why I made one up.

I made a person up so I didn't get in trouble. Jesus Christ. What is the sliding filament theory? Filament. Filament. Filament. Sliding filament. What's a filament?

Oh, the filament is the thing that's inside a light bulb. Yeah. Right? That lights something up. It's sliding. The theory is that you can't slide light. Light has to be stationary even though it moves at the speed of light. What does that have to do with exercise?

We'll find out later. Because the faster you move, the more calories you burn, idiot. Yeah, I'm an idiot. Who started the first fitness club? I thought someone asked this question. Oh, the first fitness club. The person you might know their name. I would say it was Joy Luck.

She did books and fitness. Yeah. That's not even a road. Who wrote that? The Joy Luck Club? Yeah, it was a book club. I don't know if the Joy Luck Club yeah it was a book club I don't the Joy Luck Club was a book club

no but it was written by somebody else I'm pretty sure I don't know the Joy Luck Club is Amy Tam Amy Tam thank you okay I changed my answer Amy Tam

okay why is do you know what the mitochondria is first of all ah the mitochondria the mitochondria

it's a river that runs from Arizona to Argentina. The mitochondria. It's in cells. It's in your cells, the mitochondria. Oh, it's in the hearts and minds of children everywhere, the mitochondria. Okay. Old man concha, he just keeps running.

Here's a question you can bullshit. What is metabolism? Oh, they're one of the big four heavy metal bands. Metabolism from their album, Metabolism on Metabolism. From their death metal record, Hungry. Do you want to answer this? I eat so much food, but i do not lose weight metabolism

kerry king played guitar for him once just when their guitarist was sick yeah he did he's the subbing guy yeah yeah yeah that's when they opened for slayer yeah yeah do you not want to answer this metabolism you know the word metabolism metabolism, metabolism. Metabolism is how fast your body burns off calories. Okay. And I don't have a fast one. I don't have a slow metabolism. You know when they go, like my father, my mother was a big woman, to put it heavily. Put it heavily.

Anyway, but my mother was a big woman. My father's a skinny fella, right? A skinny fella who eats like a fucking animal, right? He eats all day. He never stops. And it turns out he goes, oh, I've got a thyroid problem, right? He's got an overactive thyroid that makes him burn the weight off. Is it a problem?

I'm fucking, I'm looking forward to my future thyroid problem. Every time I go to the doctor, how's my thyroid? Tell me it's overactive. I've never heard anyone die from the thyroid. I know there's some cunts sitting at home holding their thyroid right now going, I'm not going to make it to Christmas with my thyroid. I don't think it's down there. Where is your thyroid?

Is it up here? Yeah. Oh, God, a bit thyroid-y. I think't think it's down there. Where is your thyroid? Is it up here? Yeah. Oh, God. A bit thyroid-y. I think you ought to take medication probably. Doesn't your dad take medication? Yeah, he takes some medication. But also, I think your thyroid should be in your thigh.

Yeah, that's a good point. How does weight loss work? If you're telling me you have the answer there forest i'm gonna be very disappointed i'm not the expert how does it work um well in my experience you get a comedy special and you starve yourself yeah you need a new comedy special yeah yeah when you have a comedy special you get down to look better that's that's the problem is whenever I walk on stage, I'm the oldest I've ever been and fatter than I am on the poster in the foyer. Whenever I walk on stage, there'll be 3,000 people

and the initial thought will be, geez, they're going to be disappointed in this blob. Forget you. Even at the clubs, they still use this one. I have newer headshots, but they still use this headshot from when I first moved to LA and and I was like, fit and stuff. And I'm like, nah, that's not where you're going to see it all. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

People think you've had a terrible week. Misleading. So what was the question? How does weight loss work? Yeah. So the caloric intake that you take in, so the calories that you take in, you have to burn off more than that, and that's how you get weight loss. So if you're taking 2,000, now you're going to burn off probably 1,800

just hanging around the house and doing things and just living. But why don't you exercise and do another 700 calories, knock them off, and then you're at minus 500. That's all weight loss, baby. How and why do your muscles get bigger and stronger after lifting weights? When you lift weights, your muscles tear, and then they have to repair. And when they repair, they repair larger and stronger. See, even with bones, when something breaks and it's put back together,

it's stronger than it originally was. Yeah. You're never better on this show than when you're rhyming. Let me tell you right there. Tear and repair. Tear and repair, baby. The distance of existence. The distance of existence, baby.

Is lifting weights bad for your heart? It depends how you... I would say no because it's exercise. But if you had a weak heart, you should watch how many weights. So if you're sitting at home with a shitty heart, I'm not encouraging you to go lift weights. But I would think for a strong, healthy person, I believe that lifting weights would be good for your heart.

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Have you ever done therapy first? Yeah, I've done therapy a bunch. I need to do more now, but I think it's good to do it your whole life. But yeah, I've done it since I was little. I quit it all the time. I'll be honest with you. I don't stick with it. And then I go, I'm fine, and I stop, and then I always come straight back. Yeah, you don't stick with it and then i go i'm fine and i stop and then i always come straight back yeah you should just stick with it straight back i always feel lighter after a session in therapy part of the problem i always had with therapy was leaving

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meant to until they're about sort of 15 um i think i think because there's something to do with bone growth or something like that okay you know i might be wrong, but my son's up for lifting weights, and I'm curious what the answer to that question is. Okay, a couple more questions, and we'll get to the answers. Can exercise help you live longer? Of course it can help you live longer. What type of fucking weird – that's not the answer. If I don't get a point for that, right?

Like, what are we, this is the 1960s? Oh, yeah, so the good diet and some cigarettes, you can live forever. I don't know the answers. They're not in there. Yeah, it can help you live longer, of course. Here's another one you'll get upset about, a question. Why do you get out of breath while running? Never run, so I'll have to take your word for it.

Why do you get out of breath? Because you're exerting a lot of wind out you have to draw more wind in because the heart's beating so much quicker yeah but why wouldn't your body just be able to do it because I don't know the science

I don't know the answer but it's so it's not like everyone's breathing good when you're fucking you don't just go at the end of it Okay, so it's not like everyone's breathing good when you're fucking, right? When you're fucking, you don't just go at the end of it. That's how you know you've been fucking. Okay.

It's good. I like it. Give me a point. Last question. What are steroids and how do they work? Antibiotic steroids are growth hormones that when injected into the muscle not into the vein when injected into the muscle um can um add uh different chemicals to your body like testosterone and stuff like that to make the muscles expand you still have to exercise on top of it to make it work i believe but a lot of the steroids that are used are used on cattle you know and i don't see

sheep fucking exercising and they come out massive now like if you see like a cow that's been given steroids that thing's a monster compared to what it's meant to be or even sometimes i'm a big fan of a chicken sandwich me and then sometimes you get this chicken breast it's like it's too big it's bigger than the chicken too big i want I want a regular-sized chicken. Yeah. To get a regular-sized chicken now, what I need to have is a quail that has steroids in it. I'm in a loop. Charlie, how did Jim do on his knowledge of exercise science, 0 through 10, 10's the best? You know, not bad. I'd say if this was 20 years ago, you would have gotten a few extra points.

But today I'm going to give you four. Four. See, this is the thing is you're working off the modern science, right? Which I don't particularly believe in. Back in my day, we had a food pyramid. That's how we got healthy. And what they told us on the bottom section of the food pyramid was to eat as much

bread and pasta as possible that's your staple you want to get all your bread and pasta in second they gave fruit and vegetables a run

next is meat and then the next bit is like oil and fat at the top the next bit's like eggs dairy dairy

dairy's a little bit. And then a nice triangle of just bullshit. And then there's a triangle that's just like sugar and oil and salt. Fucking didn't steer me wrong. Look at me. Look at society. We're all healthy now. Work for everyone.

We're living longer than we should, though. We're living. We're doing something right because we're living. We're doing something right right i would say that's medicine and science but some people don't believe in that okay so also so so my dad's generation my father worked in construction so he did he was physically fit because he was lifting heavy things and doing a manual job right um but his generation never exercised my parents generation there was no gyms in Sydney when I was a young kid. There was, but not commonplace where they're in every suburb, you know what I mean?

And they were eating better, but they weren't working out, so it all worked out. Now we've got a generation of people who exercise but eat fucking chemicals and shit, man. How did Jim do on confidence? I'll give him a six thank you he was really confident but then he kept going i think that's right which hurts no no no it's from my album i think that's right that's a total of uh you're just plugging it okay

10. okay well now we're up to 14. that's right i'm not very hungry. I think you're wrong. I'll give you a one. I think we're singing a similar song. It's 15. I think that's right. I'm giving it to Reba. Listen to me now and believe me later. That's what you got. It's kind of like what our podcast is anyways. Yeah, I like that.

All right, Charlie, what is exercise science? Jim, we don't need to repeat what he said. It was a lot of nonsense. It's the science of exercise, which is correct. The funny thing is, how did you do it again, Jim? I don't remember the answer. Tell us what exercise science is, Charlie. Yeah, I don't remember his answer either,

but somewhere in there I wrote down a check mark, so it seems that he kind of got close to it at least. One point. Yeah, I gave you a point for that. So it is, in short, the science of exercise, but that's just saying the phrase backwards. So we think of exercise science as the why behind everything. You show up to the gym. You lift some weights.

You do it for a while. Your muscles get bigger and stronger. Why? You start running. You get out of breath. Why? And so we're taking all the whys to try to essentially uncover um like a blueprint essentially of how our body works how it adapts to exercise and that helps you know progress uh

health fitness disease medicine all sorts of stuff so it's a really widespread field um and all that just comes back to the the why of everything What exercise would you say is the most pointless of them all? Well, it would depend on who you are and what your goals are. So I would say what's your least favorite kind of exercise? I don't like doing the leg stuff. I like to do just the upper body. That's why my upper body is so ripped. I don't like that one where you sit like this and you go like that.

You go boom, boom, boom like that. We can't see your legs. It's like, yeah, but I've already got nice legs. You don't want them, buddy, beefed up anymore. What were you saying, Charlie, then? What was that? So for Jim, then, the least important exercise for him is leg stuff because he won't keep doing it

well there's no point to even put it in there at all because I feel like I'm exercising the legs all the time by walking like they're getting a natural exercise the legs they already seem to be doing stuff yeah but I think what Charlie's saying is like look if you're not going to enter bodybuilding competitions your whole body doesn't like as long as you're doing some exercise, it's good, right? Is that what you're saying there? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

I think there's a lot of people out there, like, they're gatekeepers with exercise. So you have to do this. You have to do that. You know, to Jim's point, walking is exercise. But in the grand scheme of people, Jim's a relatively healthy guy, right? And so walking isn't necessarily stressful for your legs but it is maintaining i believe in the 10 000 steps a day theory i try to do that which i don't always achieve but when i'm on the road i try to do that i try to get out and walk and you know we over europe we were doing

10 000 a day we're doing like 20 000 yeah 20 000 a day when i got back here my my phone was like what's happened i'm like yeah back in the land of cars there's your phone got back here my my phone was like what's happened i'm like yeah back in the land the latest data is showing that you should actually strive for about 7500 steps a day right and then you're overshooting it is 10 000 like but you can do more right it doesn't doesn't matter yeah but there's no additional benefit in regard to health longevity stuff like that so what's the optimum amount of exercise to be done to live the longest and i'm going to say that that exercise can help you live longer yes it absolutely can help you live longer we can jump ahead to that one and i think the important designation is like that's that one is common sense right everybody knows exercise helps you live longer but the important

thing is that exercise the data will suggest it adds about three to five years uh to your life but the important part is that adds three to five quality years of life so we think of a lot of people those last couple years they're living sometimes they're sitting in an armchair all day they're in hospice they're not they're not living right well as exercise especially in as you age helps you maintain your independence your mobility you can actually live life and so i think that's the important thing is that like the three to five years doesn't sound that great when you consider it's three to five good years now it sounds a lot more important charlie they're watching telly that's a life well lived i don't like how people always say that they lay there and they've got a

quality of life i want to move as little as possible you got to get up shower i know that's that's the big one of the day fucking having a shit and showering My mother And my brother's here, you can vouch From, what would you say, age 40? Earlier Okay, so let's say, but she still went to work And stuff like that From really about age, my mother never left our block of land By foot

She lived there for 50 fucking years She never left it by foot Right She was only driven on and off the property and she laid in a lazy boy for the last 40 years of her life didn't fucking move just watched telly and i when i was young i used to think to myself oh what a waste of life she didn't move and now fuck i love telly yeah man she had a good life she really crushed it she sat there eating chocolate and watching tv and almost made

it to fucking 80 oh what a wonderful life they should make a christmas movie about her um what is kinesiology jim said from the word kines stop eating cards piss on a stick ketosis he is going into ketosis burning fat away i bloody figured that out man you figured out ketosis but not kinesiology so kinesiology is a specific branch of exercise science and it's a science of human movement. So you think about walking, running, jumping. It's essentially looking at these things and describing mathematically and qualitatively how movement happens. Yeah. Hmm.

Yeah. Why does it have to have a difficult name? Why don't you just go to the study of movement? I didn't come up with a name. I'd call it movement science. It'd be easier. Movement science, yeah, it'd be easier. Movement science, there you go.

Movement science. Jim, what is kinesiology? Movement science, man. There you go. Nice. Pushed it, yep. From the word ketosis. Who were the first people to exercise?

Jim said Adam and Eve, then Cain and Abel, then got all the way up to Noah, and then landed on Jane Fonda and Atlas. Yeah, I made a joke about Eve that I'm not happy with because I was just saying that there was two people there and he got sick of talking to one woman

yeah still makes sense I think you're right they're not real people also because Adam and Eve imagine that Adam comes home

after a long day in the garden and she accuses him of having an affair and he's like get the fuck out of here yeah it's just you.

You smell weird. And then a snake slides out of her and fucking goes away, the devil. Yeah, that's what happens. It was a snake with an apple. Yeah. Was it Adam and Eve, Charlie? I can't say no to that. But I think this is a worthy designation between activity and exercise.

So people have been active forever, right? They hunt, they build things, they dig holes, they do that stuff. But exercise is structured, planned activity. So our first kind of example of structured, planned activity is probably from the ancient Greeks when they were preparing for the Olympics. Now, some of the writing and the journals and stuff we have from these folks, you know, back in, you know, way in the BC times, like on my shirt, they're having like 12-month long like training and nutrition programs that are actually not bad.

They're having variation in their exercise. They're planning things out, and they're actually getting really good results at the Olympics. And then we kind of fall off for several thousands of years until the last 50 years. But it's probably the ancient Greeks, and then most of the communities and people in the Bible and the ancient books like that are also exercising, but they don't have the detailed journals and stuff like that. Is there an argument that exercise has made us into a bunch of slobs? Here I go.

Okay, you go out in the street now and people will be wearing active wear, right? And, hey, big fan of women in Lululemon pants. Big fan. Big fan. But it's slovenly. Tracksuits and all that. I'm guilty as the next person. Tracksuits.

You watch the Great Depression. Sweatpants. You watch the Great Depression. Watch any footage of the Great Depression. All these cunts are unemployed, and they're wearing fedoras and ties. They have no job to get. They're mowing the lawn in those. They're lining up for soup.

Back in the 50s. They're lining up for soup in a three-peat suit. Yeah. I blame exercise for the downfall of our society. Yeah. Sweatpants. Nobody's working out in sweatpants, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, if you had sweatpants, you would have been the last bloke to get a job during the Depression. Adam Sandler only wears basketball shorts, I'm pretty sure. Adam Sandler, he's very funny when you look at him. He really does just fall into his wardrobe. Yeah, yeah. He doesn't care. Yeah, he doesn't care. I love that about him.

Yeah. What was I going to say? Oh, the Greeks are not in shape now. I'll tell you that. They got good food. It's not just food. Yeah. That was the one country where I was like, all right, on the Europe tour.

I was like, I'm home. No one looked at me like, look at this fat ass. They're still smoking like it's the mid-90s. Yeah. All the time. They got no problems, the Greeks. They're going smoking like it's the mid-90s. Yeah. All the time. They've got no problems, the Greeks. They're going for it. But I guess you know what it was?

The first Olympics, they were all naked. I remember that from our episode. Yeah, they were all naked. Pete naked. Look, I think because it was meant to do with wind resistance or something like that. Still flopping around. Greek people are fucking hairy, man.

I reckon you could get pulled back from the bloody wind resistance you'd be running along like George the Animal Steel

alright that's a fucking deep cut people yeah I have no idea what that is he's a professional wrestler George the Animal

Steel he was a hairy okay so what happened with George the Animal Steel was we weren't sure if he was mentally challenged or not yeah that's true George the Animal Steel was we weren't sure if he was mentally

challenged or not. Yeah, that's true. Right? That's right. There was an element of- I think he was. There's an element of he might be a simpleton. Right?

And so he was put in the ring and he was bald and he was hairy. And then if he would win for no apparent reason, he would start eating the cushions on the turnbuckles. That's right. He definitely was mentally challenged. And we were like, oh, he's crazy. He doesn't know what he's doing. It was just like an animal was put in there to wrestle,

and then Rowdy Roddy Piper would put a snake around his neck. No, wait. That's Jake the Snake. Oh, that's Jake the Snake. Jake the Snake Roberts. Yeah, Jake the Snake. All right. Is it Eugene or Eugene?

Eugene, Eugene Sandow? Am I saying Eugene right? It's Eugene. Eugene. Oh, Eugene. Sorry, Jim. Who is Eugene Sandow and why is he relevant to exercise science? He was the person who decided who was going to exercise and who was not going to exercise and who was going to be okay and who

wasn't going to be okay and that's how they came up with the name eugenics oh he's the supplement guy okay okay i think jim means eugenics like the uh like what hitler did yeah yeah yeah i don't think it was going oh yeah that one eugenics eugenics is the supplement one eugenics like nugent i always look at that like a nugent any they shouldn't have called it jim jen just answer i don't think that gets them any more points who is eugen sandow now so eugen saying i kind of put that as like a stand-in for uh there was a resurgence in exercise but a very particular sector of exercise in like the late 1800s early 1900s and this is like the circus strongman guys so like the classic like big fat dude in a onesie with like a a 3 000 pound dumbbell like those guys the circus strong guys started to put exercise back on the map and they were the ones who think dumbbells were just a big bowling ball at the end no one's like that the way the weight

was round a lot of them made their own dumbbells no one thought to make it into discs i want to see what he looked like yeah yeah yeah um and so i i picked yujin because a lot of these guys were big guys they'd be picking up horses getting shot by cannonball stuff like that but eugen is referred to as the godfather of modern bodybuilding because he had a good body so not only did he go around and lift stuff and be strong but he flexed his muscles and he got yeah in the late 1800s this guy would be i mean he's like ripped for now, but he would be. He's fucking unbelievably like definition. Yeah, late 1800s, he would be. People might be afraid of him the way he looked in the late 1800s. I'm afraid of him now.

Yeah, Eugene would have left a lot of broken hearts if he was traveling around that circus. Yeah, yeah. When Eugene came to town, the women all knew about it. Holy hell. Or the men. Whatever way you went. Probably mostly the women all knew about it. Holy hell. Or the men. Whatever way you went. Probably mostly the men.

Yeah. It's a bit Magic Mikey, isn't it? I'm sorry. Were you still talking about him? I'm sorry, Charlie. Oh, yeah. I was just saying he's so obviously pretty fantastic physiques. So he was a good circus attraction.

And so we call him the godfather of modern bodybuilding. And so still today, the winner of the Mr. Olympia bodybuilding competition, which is like the World Series of Bodybuilding, basically wins the Sandow Trophy. I won a trophy. I win. What is the hill muscle model? Jim thought it was nice I don't know. Vanessa who lived in the Hollywood Hills.

Yeah, Vanessa. She's a good girl. Lives in the Hollywood Hills. You know, he didn't quite get it, but I can't confirm that someone named Vanessa was not around at the time. So the hill muscle model, I think it's a good time to keep in mind that, you know, the theory of gravity is over 400 years old. Mitochondria, we've known about it for 250 years.

The Hill muscle model was our first published understanding of how muscle worked. And so it's named Hill for A.V. Hill, the scientist who came up with it. He published this in 1938. So less than a hundred years, we've had a theory as to how muscle worked. So essentially he just produced this model because at this time we knew for, you know, we didn't know why, but muscle is stronger lengthening than it is shortening. So if you go lift weights, you can lower something heavier weight than what you can lift up. We didn't know why.

So A.V. Hill theorized that there were other components like connective tissue and stuff like that that increased the strength of muscle in this time. And so that was kind of our first attempt at recognizing how muscle worked. And we actually still teach that in college today. It's 100 years old. And what is the sliding filament theory well Jim did get a filament from a light bulb so I got him like a tenth of a point on that yeah nice can't slide sliding filament theory is a more up-to-date understanding and it's not the most up-to-date but it's it's pretty relevant it essentially is suggesting that we have what we call filaments in our muscles, which are contractile proteins.

So, for a muscle to lengthen and shorten, those filaments kind of slide past each other. So, if a muscle gets shorter, these filaments pull each other. If it lengthens, they crawl apart to lengthen the muscle. And so, a muscle is made up of a bunch of different tiny units called sarcomeres that have these filaments or contractile proteins in them so in all thousands of these sarcomeres either lengthen or shorten the muscle gets longer it gets shorter and that's how contraction works all right um is amy tan the author of The Joy Luck Club, the first person to start a fitness club? I don't believe so. The first person to start a fitness club was Jack LaLanne.

You might recognize that name. No. I would always say LaLanne. Is it LaLanne? Jack LaLanne? It might be LaLanne. I don't really know. There's two N's, and it seems like they don't need to be there.

He was a guy that would like, he like, tow the boats with his mouth, like, with a rope, his mouth. Yeah. Like, swim is insane. What has that got to do with his muscles? He would swim and tow, like, 20 boats with his, I don't know, with a rope on his mouth. That's all I remember.

That's all I got. Yeah. So Jack LaLanne started the first fitness club, and I believe he started this in Oakland, California in 1936. So this was back when doctors were telling you to smoke a pack of cigarettes and just do cocaine if you're feeling bad or whatever.

So he comes around and starts a health club and doctors are saying, don't go to this health club. He's going to hurt you. He's going to make you muscle bound and you won't be able to move and all that stuff. So it took him a while to kind of get some sort of public support. And by the 50s, he actually finally had his TV show where they were doing exercise on TV,

and he was kind of spreading the word, and that lasted through the 80s. And during this time also was – Wait a minute, crazy. So that was the first time that we were on – okay, TV had only just been invented. But the first time the public had heard about exercise? Yes, yeah, yeah. He had a juicer too he had a popular juicer and when when was the word i guess exercise your something exercise we already had the word right when was it attached yeah yeah i to be honest i don't know how that got

attached to the activity of planned exercise. I have no idea how that came about. Would you like to exercise your right to the Fifth Amendment or some shit? Yeah, nice. All your stuff. I'm pretty sure. Remember that Jim Carrey bit on In Living Color with the juice weasel? And the guy's juicing, and he goes, hey, guys.

And he turns invisible. You know that one? I'm pretty sure that was Jack LaLanne he was making fun of. It probably is. Yeah. Look at that. Look out. Yeah.

So Horace mentioned all of his crazy, like, not only is he towing boats with his mouth, he's towing like 20 boats underwater. He's swimming the length of the Golden Gate Bridge with his hands and feet shackled together. Yeah. So he would do all these crazy, you know feats of just fitness in general you know not insane strength he obviously had insane endurance but he's just fit in general and he had this daily regimen he'd get up and work out every two or two hours every day and eat this you know specific diet i guess he died uh in 2011 i, and he died from pneumonia, I want to say,

and the legend has it that the day before he died, so he's 96 years old, the day before he died, he got up and exercised for two hours, and the next day he died. Yeah. So exercise does kill you. Yeah. Yeah, eventually. Yeah. There's a lot of pictures.

We actually had a similar version of that in Australia, a guy called Dingo Joe. Is this true? That's a better name. I was going to say, that could be real. What did he do? He's Dingo Joe. Dingo Joe could do anything.

Fuck kangaroos. Yeah, he boxed kangaroos. You know, that's the thing. You can box kangaroos. Good exercise. You just can? They used to have. I mean, they'll kick your ass.

This is the thing. Not my ass. They used to have. I'm going to kick your ass. This is the thing. Not my ass. They used to have in these carnivals, right, they'd put gloves on a kangaroo and then they'd say, who here can beat a kangaroo? Come on, if you're coming to the ring, you can bloody beat a kangaroo. Come on. Come one, come all.

Like that, right? And then drunk blokes would get in the ring and they'd put gloves on and then they'd punch the kangaroo. But the kangaroo's got such a big tail and such big feet, it's a tripod. Yeah. You can't knock that animal down. So it would be concussed standing up until the next person came in. Jesus.

Oh, you think the kangaroo's concussed? Yeah. That makes it sadder. Yeah. I thought they were just winning. That's a punch-drug kangaroo, and then it could go back on its tail and kick you, and it sort of naturally boxes so it looks good because it naturally does a few jabs and all that type of stuff. But, yeah.

Well, some animals have, like a woodpecker, for instance, has specialized brain cavities in their skull so they don't get concussions. We've talked about this before. My father used to go, what was the name of the tent? Shaman's tent, right? Billy Sharman? Yeah, Billy Sharman had a tent that went around Queensland and he would bring some average boxers along and he'd go in the tent and then he'd go,

who here can beat my boy? And then drunk men with no boxing skills whatsoever would gamble money that they could beat that guy up in the ring. And so they might be a bigger bloke against a smaller bloke who's actually trained. And then the bloke would just beat the shit out of people. And that was the show, was locals fighting professional boxers. And it's a small town he grew up in, so you'd know like, oh, fucking Gary's up there having a go.

Yeah. You should bring it back. small town he grew up in so you'd know like oh fucking gary's up there having a go yeah i'm should bring it back i just i'm googling can kangaroos get concussions and is there an australian football league team named the kangaroos kangaroos yeah there's a lot of those guys going because they keep just showing names of people i'm like oh ben jacobs yeah yeah all right well i can't look that up right now then. It keeps coming up that. Mitochondria. Is that where I... Yeah, mitochondria. I asked you if you knew what it was. You ever seen a kangaroo

with CTU or whatever it is? CTU. Mitochondria is a river that runs from Arizona to California. The mighty mitochondria. The mitochondria. I will say that was Jim's most entertaining answer. Yeah, I like that answer. It was a good one. Gets a point.

Yeah, I got a point. What is the mitochondria? Well, it's known as the powerhouse of the cell, but talk about it with exercise science. Yeah, so the mitochondria, we're always told is the powerhouse of the cell, but that's pretty much as far as we ever got in school, right? Nobody ever told you why it's the powerhouse of the cell. So, this kind of combines metabolism with this one is that metabolism, Jim mostly got right. It's the concept of burning calories, right? So, the food you eat

has calories. And when we digest it, absorb it, we break it down into its simplest forms and it gets shuttled to our cells. And then in our cells, that's where metabolism happens. They break that food down into what we call ATP, adenosine triphosphate. That's the energy currency of the body. We can't move. We can't think. We can't do anything without ATP. And so the mitochondria is the area where most of that ATP production comes from. It has various enzymes and cycles and transport chains and all these things that the food, when you break it down into fatty acids or glucose, stuff like that, these things can get into the mitochondria, and out comes ATP, and now you can live.

Are there certain people or body shapes that are more likely to be able to build muscle with ease in comparison to other body shapes, like these mesomorphs and all this type of stuff, right? Or are we all sort of starting at the same spot? There's a ton of genetic variants in this. So part of the body shape thing really comes down to like your genetic framework. Some people have a genetic predisposition to building muscle, getting stronger. Some people have genetic predisposition to being good at marathons. So really all comes down to your genetics. But if your genetics predispose you to being bigger and stronger, odds are you're going to have a larger frame to which you can add more muscle mass so it's funny

that you get into the the field like sports performance you start to work with some high level athletes it's the difference between like a professional american football player and someone like me is insurmountable i i wish people like you know all the people that watch sports on on tv that you do this do that whatever i wish people could just see know, all the people that watch sports on TV, that you do this, do that, whatever. I wish people could just see some of these people up close because it's astounding how much faster, stronger, and more conditioned like professional athletes can get. And a lot of that just comes back to their genetic predisposition.

So I'm not going to be an athlete. No. How does weight loss work? Jim says you need a comedy special you starve yourself or you need to burn off more calories than you're consuming is that easy are you a fan of the fasting i'm a fasting guy were you a fan of the fasting or you think fasting's bad i think it's fine i mean ultimately you came back to the right answer on this and this was calorie balance right you have to burn more answer on this, and this was calorie balance, right? You have to burn more calories than you consume, and fasting is a fantastic way to do that. If you don't eat for two-thirds of the day, you're going to have a hard time eating more calories than you burn, right?

So, it restricts your eating window. You naturally are going to eat less food. Now, from a health standpoint, there could be a few more unique effects of fasting that, you know, depending on how often you do it, how well you do it, stuff like that, you could get some unique effects, but ultimately weight loss is going to come down to that energy balance. I always feel better after I fast. Oh, go ahead. I feel physically better. Not just like, because they reckon it helps your gut bacteria. We did another podcast on that years ago. But anyway. Yep. Yeah.

And a lot of people report that as not only does it help you feel better, but there might be a – your brain is also involved in metabolism. I am smarter on fasting days. Yeah. And people will often report that because your brain is metabolically active. Yeah, and people will often report that because your brain is metabolically active. And generally, when you're fasting or if you're on a ketogenic diet, you're in a state of ketosis. Sometimes that can be like a smoother form of energy for the brain, and it helps people think more clearly, things like that. And so they feel smarter.

They remember things a little bit better. So there are some other benefits of fasting. The theory was that you're feeling weak because you haven't eaten. And then like cavemen, they would stop chasing after the saber-toothed tiger and think, oh, God, I have to sit down and make a trap. Is that right? I don't know. I didn't hear the first part of that. What do you reckon?

That you had a theory about the fasting. Yeah, the theory that you're smarter when you fast because you have to find food in a non-physical way because you're depleted. That's an interesting one. It could be a little bit just based on how your metabolism shifts to go towards a more robust form of energy being fat and ketones. Maybe that does help you think a little bit better. Yeah. And it could go back to that. It's a good idea.

Teach it to the kids. Write a textbook. Yeah, the Jim Jefferies theory. Yeah. Lifting weights. How does it make your muscles bigger and stronger? Is it bad for your heart? We'll talk about weights now.

Yeah, so this is the one where about 20 years ago, Jim's concept of tearing muscle down, repairing it, getting bigger. I would have said, yes, that's correct. But in the last 20 years, we've made a lot of headway onto how our body responds to exercise and the ripping, tearing and building thing hasn't really held up too well. So we look at when a muscle grows from exercise, certain things have to happen. You could go running and your calves are sore for the next day because you had some ripping and tearing your calves. But running generally doesn't lead to bigger and stronger muscles, even though there was muscle damage. In fact, I could stab Jim in the thigh, and it would be really mean of me to do that.

I would damage his muscle, and it wouldn't grow back any stronger. And you'd get covered and cum. What's that? Nothing. He said you'd be covered and cum. Because I'd enjoy it, you see. Oh, well, yeah. It's a side effect for some.

I'd ejaculate because you stabbed me in the thigh. Because he did it, just you like being stabbed? Anyone. Oh, it doesn't matter if it's Charlie or not. Anyone who stabs me will get covered in cum. I wouldn't put that out there. I don't kink shame. So essentially we just have to go back to the stimulus of exercise.

We know that lifting weights is what generally causes our muscles to get bigger and stronger. And so what lifting weights do is they impose what we call tension on our muscle. It's a pulling force that causes our muscle to lengthen. We have to work really hard to get that weight back up. Our body senses that tension and then our muscles signal and they say, hey, that was crazy. We need to be bigger and stronger to deal with that in the future. So our body says, fine, we'll build you up bigger and stronger. So it all comes back to the effort you expend while lifting weight. That's generally what's going to cause your muscles to get bigger and stronger. Okay.

Cool. And is it bad for your heart? No. But Jim had a very good distinction here that if somebody is, maybe they have a high blood pressure or blockages or cardiac or chronic heart failure or something like that, probably not the best idea to exercise with resistance training or weights. But if you're perfectly healthy, lifting weights can actually be good for your heart. There are some unique effects of lifting weight like nitric oxide release, stuff like that, that helps dilate your blood vessels. But lifting weights also helps the elasticity of your blood vessels. Because you have spikes in blood pressure, if you pick up something really heavy, these blood pressure spikes can help your blood vessels expand a little bit better so that your blood pressure will generally be lower throughout daily life.

So for most people, lifting weights, good for your heart, actually. If you only had to do one weightlifting activity, which one would it be? I'm going to go bench press. I respect that. I've torn my pecs too many times to agree. I would go deadlift. I like deadlifts. Deadlift.

How much do you bench? Well, I'm going to give you the classic Jim Bro example and say back in my day, the most I've ever done is 375. Right now, I couldn't give you 300, I don't think. Yeah, but you're acting like we're even close to that. I was going to brag. I do 100. Yeah.

That's pretty good. It's not bad, man. It's better than 99, right? That's pretty good. When you look at it, it's things on the end of it. Yeah, 300. I do 100. Amos Gill came over to my house, and I have a little gym area, right?

And Amos Gill couldn't bench press as much as me. And he was a young fella. He was wobbling like all fuck he was. He looks like he'd be good at this. house and I have a little gym area right and Amos Amos Gill couldn't bench press as much as me and he's a young fella he was wobbling like all fuck he was he looks like he looks like he good but he couldn't he's a fair and I'm saying it I'm saying it out here if you see him make sure you tell him that I said this he's a weak man probably Jim maybe you're naturally genetically predisposed to be good at bench press you do 300 I'm only a third as good as you maybe you have a big torso I do have a big torso. That's why, yeah.

And you don't like the legs. I have little tiny legs. Yeah, so we figured it out. Stay with the torsos. Should children lift weights? Yeah, I want to know this one. So this is a very controversial one. The short answer is yes, children

can absolutely lift weights. Now, the long answer here is that if you imagine children exercising, they're running, they're jumping around on a playground, they're jumping off of a couch to do your WWE top rope on your friends, stuff like that. Anytime you run, you jump or anything like that, you can exert Anytime you run, you jump, or anything like that, you can exert five to ten times your body weight on your bones and your joints in your lower body. I don't know of any children that can lift five to ten times their body weight in something like a deadlift or a squat. look at it from a pure physics and biomechanics standpoint, lifting weights will never impose more force or impact on a child than running or jumping ever would. And on top of that, lifting weights, especially in younger age, you know, kids that are 7,

8, 9 years old, they don't have the the hormonal what we call milieu the mixture of hormones in the body to respond and get big and strong and stuff like that they're not going to get a whole lot stronger but what they will get is what we call like muscle coordination motor learning if you teach an eight-year-old how to squat and do a push-up correctly and things like that they become more efficient in these ranges of motion which helps them be safer during exercise more injury resilient and then by the time they're a teenager they're going to be leaps and bounds ahead of you know the other kids that they're playing against or whatever it is that they're doing so short and long answer yes children can

lift weights and i believe that they should. What age do they start seeing the benefits? It kind of depends on when they start to get that hormonal milieu that we talked about. So usually, you know, if you see a 13, 14-year-old kid and he's got a mustache coming in, he's probably going to be able to build some muscle-lifting weight. But it just kind of depends. Sometimes, you know, I was full grown with a beard when I was 12 because I'm short, right? But some people might not be full grown.

Do the short people always get beards? Do they? Or is that? It's just my genetics. But I was a grown man when I was 12. So I was ready to lift weights then and get bigger and stronger. But some people, they might not have that until they're 16, 17, or 18. Right. Yeah.

Why do you get out of breath while running? So, Jim kind of got it where any activity in general, whether it be running, wrestling, sex, anything where your body is burning more calories. What's that?

Running away from sex. I'm just mixing it all together. Yeah, you never know. Anytime your body is burning more calories. What's that? Running away from sex. I'm just mixing it all together. Yeah, you never know. Anytime your body is burning a lot of calories, anytime we're doing a lot of metabolism, we are producing byproducts. So like, if you turn on a car, exhaust comes out of the tailpipe, right? It's heat, it's carbon

dioxide, it's water. These are all byproducts of breaking down fuel. Our bodies do the same thing. If we break down fuel, we have byproducts. And one of those byproducts is carbon dioxide is water. These are all byproducts of breaking down fuel. Our bodies do the same thing. If we break down fuel, we have byproducts. And one of those byproducts is carbon dioxide. And so how this works is if you start breaking down a lot of fuel, you start producing a lot of carbon dioxide. Our blood senses that. We have chemoreceptors in our blood vessels. They send signals back to our brain saying, we need to offload this carbon dioxide. And so you start breathing harder.

So the breathing isn't necessarily an oxygen need. It's to get rid of carbon dioxide. Okay. All right. Last question here. What are steroids and how do they work? You inject them in the muscle. Yeah, inject them in the muscle, Jim said.

Chemicals make them expand. You still need to exercise on them. Doesn't like them in food. Yeah, Jim basically got it right here. I added this because I think there's an important distinction between the types of steroids. So I had an English professor that I hated her way back in my freshman year of college. And she would always make this stupid joke that in allergy season, she wouldn't be allowed to participate in Major League Baseball because she was on corticosteroids.

Corticosteroids are not anabolic steroids. That is a funny joke. It's pretty good, right? Corticosteroids are not anabolic steroids. So when we talk about steroids in regard to building muscle, we're talking about anabolic steroids. That refers to the building of tissue. So Jim crushed it with testosterone. Steroids are testosterone or derivatives of testosterone.

You inject these. They get into your muscles. They basically tell your body to build up the muscles, essentially. And now there's a lot of people getting testosterone replacement. Is that different from steroids? Because the legal, like men my age getting a bit of testosterone, or is that just the same? It's the same.

I think steroids is just kind of like that umbrella term for it. But TRT, testosterone replacement, is like the responsible way to do it, right? Where you're just taking essentially a replacement dose people that are on steroids uh to get bigger faster stronger could be taking five to ten times uh like a natural human dosage so there's levels to it obviously um but to that point i trts has fantastic results for men, especially 35 and up for all sorts of things. And then to Jim's point, the exercise component, the exercise plays a huge role in that. If you just start taking testosterone, you might gain a pound or two of muscle.

You might burn a little bit of fat. But if you exercise, you lift weights, that's where that testosterone and plus your body's natural response to the exercise really works together to make you bigger and stronger. All right. Now is the part of our show called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our expert to give us a fact, something obscure, interesting that they can use to impress people. What do you got for us, Charlie? I'm going to go with my first one here. So Jim actually kind of brought this up a little bit when he kind of brought up the concept of metabolism, that if you're just sitting around doing nothing all day, you still burn 1,800 to 2,000 calories. And this kind of depends on your gender, your age, your height, weight, stuff like that.

But generally, for most people, you need between about 1,000 and 2,000 calories a day just to stay alive. Now, if you laid in bed all day, you'd still burn that many calories. And that's, you know, people think about that and they kind of get their mind blown by it because they're like, well, I'm not moving around. How am I burning calories? Your brain, your heart, your liver, and your kidneys all burn more calories than your muscles do. Because you think about all these things are active all the

time, no matter what, where a muscle at rest isn't using energy. Muscle at rest doesn't use that much energy at all, but all these other organ systems use a ton of energy all the time, and that's where your resting metabolism or your resting metabolic rate comes from.

So I'm exercising right now. Yeah, burning calories right now. You're burning calories. I don't know if you're exercising. But your TV theory is going to hold up. My liver? I'm doing liver squats. Well, this is the time of year that everyone starts to think about exercising towards New

Year's Eve. So if you are interested in learning more, follow Charlie on Instagram at Charlie Odinger, and that's O-T-T-I-N-G-E-R, or at Radioactive Life. That's Radioactive without an E, Life, for more information about fitness, tips, info like that. And you can go to the website, RadioactiveLife.com. We'll have all that information on our website as well.

Thanks for being here, Charlie. Thanks for being on the podcast, Charlie. We appreciate your time, mate. If you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and goes, my liver doesn't burn any calories, go, well, I don't know about that, and walk away. Good night, Australia. And don't forget, we will be off the next two weeks, the 26th and January 2nd.

We'll be back the week after that. What? Yeah.