I Don't Know About That - Fashion

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

In this episode, the team discusses fashion with Michelle Obama's fashion stylist, Meredith Koop. Follow Meredith on Instagram @MeredithKoopSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Different. Of course there is. There are three different things. I just mentioned that. Listen to I Don't Know About That with Jim Jefferies. What are you, a fucking simpleton? One's a band, one's a sport, one's an animal. You don't need a podcast for that. If you're tuning in for that, you're a moron.

You're not ready. You need a simpler podcast. What? Things. The two. You should listen to my other podcast, Words. Okay, so this one's an insect. You see the picture?

Okay. All right. I want to give a little shout out today. I know we're a week late on this, but we record the podcast a week late. A few days ago, my friend, for us, you know him as well. Michael Gudinski died in his sleep, heart attack. He was a tremendous promoter. He promoted my big shows in Australia, the biggest shows I ever did.

I think I was his first major comedy show that he ever did. Yeah, that level. I think maybe because, you know, him and Taylor. He had just gotten into comedy. Now, this guy promoted Taylor Swift and Elton John and Paul McCartney. Taylor Swift first. She's big. She's huge.

She's huge. He was doing the Taylor Swift stuff right when he died yeah Bruce Springsteen wrote a really nice thing after he passed away Foo Fighters did like all these different bands like he was

wasn't he responsible for like the person bringing the big acts to Australia really like he had bands Midnight Oil Cold Chisel

Kylie Minogue he managed and produced all their albums wow without him it's like you guys wouldn't have had, like Madonna came there in the 80s because of him.

Even without the promoting, he was a big manager for all these big acts and had a record label, Mushroom. And then before that, when I was a kid in Australia, big bands didn't come out to Australia and do stadiums and stuff like that until Michael Gudinski did it. People didn't make the trip, you know. So he was a big part of the Australian music scene. He'll be sorely missed.

And I just wanted to give him a little shout out here on the podcast. Not that you're listening, Michael. In spirit. But he was a fun, fun man, man. We went gambling with him. And, like, one time he was gambling and I was betting, like, $100 a hand. He was betting, like, $5,000 a hand. and then it went up to $10,000 a hand.

I was telling him he didn't really know how to play blackjack right. I assume he played before, but he was making bad hits. He was making bad hits. And then he goes, I'm out of the bar. Just keep betting my hand. It was $10,000, $10,000 a hand. And I was like, ah, fuck it. I'll just keep going.

And then he came back up like $200,000. And I was like, I don't know. I've done it, Michael. Just take the money now. Gambling with somebody else's money sounds fucking awesome. I was gambling with my own money as well. You were gambling with your own money? We were in a room that you'd have to walk through the high roller suite

and then through another door, and then you were just in a room by yourself. A secret room. Like just us and the people on the show and you know, the people that, Andrew Taylor and I can't remember. My brother and my nephew were there.

Yeah, yeah. And then, and so we were just having like drinks and like watching gambling and the limit for the table was so high

they had to make an exception that let you gamble. Yeah, yeah. They were like, this guy wants to gamble a hundred dollars which was already like, oh, nice gamble. Sure, we'll let the boys in. No,, yeah. They were like, this guy wants to gamble $100 a year, which was already like,

oh, let's gamble. Sure, we'll let the poisons. No, they were. They were like, let's get the, okay, we'll make an exception. For the second time, I was down like two grand

and then I went, fuck it, I'll do a grand a hand. And then I just did, I remember I was in front of my nephew and my nephew was looking at me like, oh, Uncle Jim's a degenerate. I remember you were making him bet for you or play for you and you're like, are you sure, Uncle Jeffrey? Oh, Uncle Jim's a degenerate. I remember you were making him bet for you or play for you, and you're like, are you sure, Uncle Jeffrey?

Oh, jeez. Oh, shucks. Yeah, he's a fighter pilot now for the military. And he's too nervous to gamble for me. Good luck, Australia. This guy's a fucking pussy. But, yeah, you know know he always had a fun time with Michael

he was a great guy sorely missed Jack what do you got for us? I got now I know about that maybe alright I always like a

now we don't know about that I'll be questioning the group now I know about that maybe well no it's mostly now we don't know about that I've forgotten we've done this episode. We've done a lot of topics.

This is the topic of evolution, which we did with Richard Dawkins. Ah, yes, I remember that. Back from when I was a wee tadpole. Ooh, that's the first question. Now, this first question, you know the answer, but you had such a difficult time explaining it without using the word and the definition. I want to see if you can do it now.

Oh, God. What is a species? It's different animals. Different animals are different species. You see what I mean? Like me and you are the same animal. Species. No, I'm not going to use the word. Me and you are the same animal. Species. Yeah.

No, I'm not going to use the word. Me and you are the same animal, Jack. It's hard to tell, but we are. And then a tiger is different from you. It's a different species. Imagine Jim writing the dictionary. He's like, you see what I mean? Every definition.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. The dictionary mean? Every definition. You know what I'm saying? The dictionary would be like this, you know this one. It's just like You already got this one. Why are you reading this? A definition I found online that I thought was pretty clear is a group of organisms that share a

genetic heritage are able to interbreed and create offspring. We're not a species, me and you. We can't interbreed. No, we can't. That's always been my dream. Me and Jack to have a child. I wouldn't carry it, of course.

I mean, amazing hair. Yeah, Jack would walk around pregnant like this. I've had sex. Everybody, I got the proof. Jack would totally be the one that's walking around with his hand on his lower back the whole time just like yeah we're pregnant

we're pregnant Jack would be getting on buses not to go anywhere just to get a seat just somebody be nice to me alright next question who is Alfred Russell Wallace that was the whole thing that was the whole definition of species?

Yeah. That was just the short one. What did Richard Dawkins say? Something similar. Okay. Alfred, Alfred. Alfred Russell Wallace. Alfred Russell Wallace.

I think I said in the thing he was a guy who freed Scotland, and I think I was wrong. It had nothing to do with evolution, so yes. Yeah, I'm going to say that he was the bloke before Darwin who started documenting that uh we're evolving similar uh he's the other he also discovered evolution independently but after darwin 20 years later but alfred sent his findings to darwin darwin's like oh shit this guy's gonna publish before me so darwin quickly wrote his stuff together and then they released their

findings at the same time. Is Jack the only person on this podcast that retains information? Because I don't even remember hearing about this. I had to rewatch the episode. I know. I know. I don't retain anything. Clearly, I have forgotten all this.

Next question. What is the Scopes monkey trial? And no, it's not the monkey hangers. Yeah. It's Hartlepool, right? What happened was... I'm still getting DMs about that. Here's what happened.

I'm like, we know. The French, right? They had a monkey on there. No, no, no. Scopes Monkey Trial. Yeah, but this is so much funner. And they dressed him up as a fucking military guy. Because it was funny.

And then he washed up on the shore, and they thought that's what a Frenchman looked like and they hung the cat. Because he couldn't answer the questions. Monkey hangers. Are you a spy? That's French. I think he's saying croissant.

French monkeys are like this. So the Scopes Monkey Trial was in Tennessee in 1925. And that's when it was illegal to teach evolution in schools. And it was kind of a trial that was just sort of put on to protest that law. Um, he ended up losing scopes was the teacher and he was fined a whopping $100, which now would actually be 1500.

So that kind of, that sucks. It kind of sucks do you know the significance of the fuck I've practiced the pronunciation yesterday Archaeopteryx Archaeopteryx

dude it's a weird word it's just a big word it's got letters together that shouldn't be do I have the significance of it? Yeah. Or what it is. No, I can't remember anything about that. First, you know, I've never heard the word before in my life.

It was a fossilized bird that was like a link within that explained evolution. There was a link that was missing that they, that bridge from one gap to another. Like dinosaurs to birds. Yeah, that was discovered. It was like that they, that bridged from one gap to another. Like dinosaurs to birds. Yeah. That was discovered. It was like the Rosetta Stone. The same thing. I forget where it was discovered, but yeah. Yeah. I don't have that info.

I think I wasn't here for this episode. You look like a Bond villain right now. He's petting a dog. Yeah, in a swivel chair. All right. Last question. Do you remember what Richard Dawkins' dinner party fact was? Yes, I do. Thanks for asking.

I remember that he tweeted it out before the episode came out. Like he told it to us and we were like, wow, that's a great fact. And then I looked on his Twitter and I was like, the next day he was like,

yeah, bam. I think it was a little long-winded, wasn't it? No, it's pretty good. It was pretty short. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. We have more in common with some animal than they have with another animal. And it's a weird animal.

Yeah. And we have more in common with a dogfish or catfish. Oh, a catfish has more in common with us than it has with a dogfish. Yeah. Yes. All right. Crushing it. You used the term closer cousin because you said,

oh, I think that dogfish and catfish have more in common, more things to talk about. Wait, wait, what was exactly? Read it out again. The phrasing is you are closer cousin with a catfish than a catfish is to a dogfish. There was this thing when I was in South Africa, at the top of Table Mountain in Cape Town,

they have these little animals I think called derbies. And they're little tiny furry things. To me, they look like small wombats, right? Maybe large, but they're little derbies. And the big thing that the South Africans like to tell you, do you know that their closest cousin is the elephant? And that blows your mind. So if you want, there's one for you. The derby's closest cousin is the elephant. Let me just put a picture of both of them is the elephant. And that blows your mind. So if you want, there's one for you.

The Derby's closest cousin is the elephant. Let me just put a picture of both of them on the screen. Manatees and elephants. He's going to hate this episode so much. Yeah. Richard Dawkins sitting at home going, they learned nothing. All right. That's it.

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G'day, Meredith. Now we're going to play a little game called Judging a Book by Its Cover. Yes, no. Yes, no. We have a song. We have a song. Judging a book by its cover. Why did you say that?

Because we've never gotten it right. Where are we going to get it right now? I think we can get it right. We have it. We have it. It's episode 45. We're close. Yeah.

Is it 45? It's in the 40s. It's 44. Episode 45 is the winner. That's the one we're going to get right. Yeah. When you bring on Gene Simmons in all of his makeup and I have to guess who he is.

Okay. right. Yeah. When you bring on Gene Simmons in all of his makeup and I have to guess who he is. Okay, so Jim's going to ask you some yes or no questions and try and guess what you're here to talk about. Okay. Your room is very nondescript. You may be a minimalist. Are we talking about minimalists? No. No? Okay. Curtains, door, you're wearing

a top, you've got a necklace, you're wearing earrings. Okay, so do you give lectures? I always ask this question. Do you give lectures? No, not really. Not even in your personal life? You don't tell people off for things? Oh, yeah. For sure. For sure. I'm very judgmental. Control-free, judgmental person, yes. Have you written books? No. No, youal person, yes. Have you written books?

No. No, you haven't written a book. Are you a doctor? You look very doctorish. Oh, my God, no. Was that offensive? No, it makes me happy. It makes me feel like, oh, wow, that's cool. Not like a surgeon.

You look like you might take care of feet or something. I don't know. Okay, so you're not a doctor. Do you work in entertainment? It's related to entertainment. It's adjacent, but no. Yeah. Has it got something to do with our physical well-being?

Hmm. It depends who you ask. Forrest, give me a hint. I think it's something that you sometimes pride yourself in, if you have to. I pride myself in this. Well, like, you'll be aware of this subject. Like, you'll just be like, okay, I have to, like, I have'll be aware of this subject you'll just be like okay I have to like

I have to be aware of I pride myself in the sense that I know a lot about it I pride myself in that I do this subject once in a while you'll get involved in and the rest of the time you're just not you don't give a shit about this at all you're a professional wrestler

I'll give you a roundabout hint Oh, you're a professional wrestler. Okay, I'll give you a roundabout hint. We saw Ringo Starr at a place. Oh, the fashion design. Yeah. Oh, I don't pride myself in it. No, just once in a while you get dressed up. The most I pride myself in is that I can dress myself. I've had stylists in the Jim Jefferies show who gave me a lot of nice suits.

So I have a lot of suits. And I get the stuff he doesn't want. Yeah. And Jack has the same shoe size as me. So Jack has a lot of boots that I used to wear. If I get like, I've got a wardrobe full of boots that they gave me for that show. And if I get like a blister,

I go, here you go, Jack. And Jack scurries off going, I got paid this week. I have the shoes you got married in. Yeah. You have the shoes I got married in. I go, here you go, Jack. And Jack scurries off going, ah, I got paid this week. I have the shoes you got married in. Yeah, you have the shoes I got married in. I walked down the aisle with a limp.

I was bleeding into my sock. Let me give Meredith a proper introduction. Meredith Koop is an acclaimed fashion stylist and strategic consultant. She has been profiled in the New York Times and Vogue. Koop is best known for her work with longtime client Michelle Obama. Coop curated the content of the former first lady's message into a dynamic and impactful wardrobe during her tenure in the White House. In addition to styling, Coop consults with brands and companies that aim to have a positive cultural impact via sustainable or charitable mission. Instagram, you can find her at Meredith Coop.

That's K-O-O-P. Okay. I know a bit about Michelle Obama and what fashion she likes. You buy her a lot of J crew. Anything that shows off the guns. She loves the guns out. Can you just tell us a little bit about yourself though, Meredith, before we get into that, like about like how, how you let, what led you to be in the world of fashion, like how that worked.

Yeah, for sure. So I didn't study fashion. I didn't come from a quote unquote fashionable family per se. So I kind of fell into it. I started working at a very high end boutique in Chicago. I'm from St. Louis, Missouri, but I moved to Chicago after college and I worked at this very, very fancy schmancy boutique. And that's where I connected with Michelle and became her stylist. I was sort of like the assistant stylist for the first year of the administration and then became her full-time stylist in 2010. I think she was the most fashionable first lady we ever had. I think hands down. I think about that outfit from this year's inauguration.

Are you responsible for that? Yes. I mean, incredible. It was a moment. It was a moment. It was just like, damn, she's a badass. Like she just looked powerful in that outfit. This year's inauguration?

Yeah. It's like a maroon outfit with this belt. Oh my god. She looked so incredible. It's crazy to think how much fashion can impact how we perceive somebody. Really, she's been so

fashionable throughout. That is a cool outfit. We can put that on YouTube. I don't know how to on YouTube. He's like, wait a minute. I don't know how to describe it. It looks, because she's next to Barack, and Barack's just like in a black trench coat or whatever, and she looks like a superhero. Incredible. It looks awesome.

Yeah. If I was to dress her, it would be a black t-shirt, a leather jacket, and some ill-fitting jeans, and some converse. Perfect. You're hired. Okay. So we're going to ask Jim what he knows about fashion.

We have some questions. We're going to prod him along. I just told you everything I know about fashion. That was it. That's all I got. And then at the end of that, you're going to grade him, Meredith, zero through 10, 10 being the best on his accuracy. Kelly's going to grade him on confidence.

I'm going to grade him on et cetera. We're going to add those up. And if you get 21 through 30, Shantae, you stay. Shantae, you stay. 11 through 20, Sashay away. 0 through 10, Khakis and Crocs. Ah, Khakis and Crocs, the old Ron Jeremy outfit. Yeah, that's the worst one.

That's the worst category. That's the worst category. Crocs are kind of hot right now, though. My son's in fashion. That's all he wants to wear. Okay, go put on some shoes. We're going to go to the park. Don't put on Crocs are kind of hot right now, though. My son's in fashion. That's all he wants to wear. I go, go put on some shoes. We're going to go to the park. Don't put on Crocs. We're going to be running around. He looks at me like I'm

God, all right. So do a socks. Fine. Go get me some socks. They are comfortable. I've never worn them. They're quite comfortable. Okay, Jim, what is fashion? Fashion is clothes, not just clothes. It's the idea of wearing clothes in a particular way

to make you look more stylistic. Okay. And it's something that moves with the times. It's also an environmental nightmare. If we all just went back to Korag, the caveman, and just went, all right, so animal skins, okay, just over the shoulder, one shoulder, we're doing one shoulder in a club, that's still in fashion, right?

But then we kept on moving and moving. All those clothes have to be thrown away, and all those big designer clothes, they don't sell all of them. They have to be chucked away. It's an environmental nightmare fashion I'm not blaming you I'm not blaming you you're just

oh no no I'm on the same page you're just part of the problem you're not the problem yeah I perpetuate the problem name as many designers as you can all day

all day all day fruit of the womb Walmart let's start with the A's let's start with the A's. Let's start with the A's. Armani. Yeah.

That was fun. Bees. Burberry is the B. C, Chanel. Mm-hmm. Good. D, Cristiano Dior. Mm-hmm.

Wow. Dior Dior E we don't have to do all the letters we gotta do E he's committed get to X oh god

E it's in here E's a tough one E I've probably got some stuff with E's what's the name of that clothing brand

that we advertise here Fabletics it's a F I know I know what to do when I get to F designers Fabletics is not a designer if. I know what to do when I get to F. Fabletics is not a designer. If you tried the flugelbinder, I'll tell you.

Alright, so I don't have any. Okay, so we'll go Versace. Yeah. John Vivardis. My favorite two are John Vivardis and Paul Smith. Paul Smith. Tom Ford is another big one.

J. Crew. I've got J. Crew since then. Is J. Crew a designer? I don't think J. Crew is considered a designer. J. Crew. It's just a brand. Theory is not a designer either. Okay, so I've got to name actual people.

Swatch was all right, wasn't it? I think I named a few. I think we can say that I can name designers. I know who designs. Who decides the year's trends? I think it's got a lot to do with the actual designers themselves. They put it out there. They tell us what we want and then we wear them. And I think magazines

used to perpetuate what we wanted. They used to go, okay, this is in and that's not out. And then every year we have a color. I remember like when my son was first born, lime green. And now if you've seen in lime green, you're an idiot. I don't know what the color this year is. Okay. I was going to say,

can you name three trends that have been popular in the last year? I'll tell you a trend. I'll tell you a trend that I'm happy that isn't popular anymore. When I first moved to Britain, ponchos. We were wearing ponchos fucking everywhere. What the fuck was all that? That was a long time ago. I know, but thank God that didn't last long.

And the other one where they wore those pilot pads that puffed out the side with high heels. Everything's like, come on, you get down to business, you know, trying to get undressed, and you've got shoes that are things and a thing. Too much to take off. Okay, okay last year i've been my fashion has stopped since my son was born so after eight years ago i really knew about fashion and now i don't keep up um but just spider-man shirts um i believe you are here spider-man t-shirts mandalorian based products

T-shirts. Mandalorian-based products. Anything with Baby Yoda on it is of the last. It's very fashionable. So I'm going to say I believe flares are coming back. That's a new thing that's coming back, which I don't really want because I'm a skinny jean guy, right? So flares, okay. Flares are coming back just recently.

And what's another thing that's been? Masks. Yeah, masks. Super fashionable. Masks. Yeah, masks. Super fashionable. Masks are a big thing. Sweatpants in the last year. Have you found that last year there's been like a stop in fashion because everyone's not been going out.

So who gives a shit? So we've all just gone back to. All right, we'll talk about that. It depends. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Okay. All right. I don't think for talk about it. I hope

fedoras are out. Anytime I see a person wearing a fucking fedora, I know I don't want to be friends with them. Male or female. There's only about two hats that are socially acceptable and the rest of them you can piss off.

I bought a bucket hat the other day though. A Kangol bucket hat. Alright. I like a bucket hat. Wait, you bought a bucket hat and you have strong feelings about a fedora? They're fun to golf in

and when you're holidaying I was in Hawaii Are you fucking kidding me? And bucket hats are back baby. No. Yeah, bucket hat. I don't care if bucket hats are back baby.

Fuck bucket hats. I bought a Kangol one. I'm going to buy an Adidas one as well to mix it up. One casual, one for going out. Bucket hat. All right, let's continue on. I got one with anchors. I asked you if you could name anything.

The next question, can you name anything that, a trend from the past that's making a comeback? You said flares. Flares are coming up. Flares is your answer. I was very into scarves for a while. Pretty green. Pretty green. There's a brand, Liam Gallagher's brand, Pretty Green. Do you like Pretty Green? Yeah. is your answer. I was very into scarves for a while. Pretty green. Like, you know, pretty green.

There's a brand, Liam Gallagher's brand, Pretty Green. Do you like Pretty Green? Yeah. I love it. I know of it. Yeah. My, yeah. My partner's really into it.

He loves it. Yeah. Pretty green. They had a great range of sort of scarves to make you look like a mod and all that sort of stuff. But I can only wear a scarf when I'm really thin. So you can look like you're Steve Tyler or something like that. The fat man with a scarf.

Fat man with a scarf. Not good. I'll tell you another thing. That's not good. It's suspenders. You have to either be really fat or skinny. You can't be in the middle. Oh,

I got to tell you with suspenders. Yeah. With suspenders. I think now that Larry King's dead, I'm selling all my suspender stocks. I feel like suspender, suspender sales are way down now that Larry King's dead. Okay.

I'm going to ask you a few more questions. And some of these we can ask as we're talking to Meredith. So I'll mispronounce this. What is, is it hot couture? How do you say it? Hot couture. Hot couture. What is hot couture?

I might be wrong. I believe that's the stuff that is on the catwalk, which is meant to give you a vision of what you can do, but not the stuff you should actually wear out. It's sort of like the Lady Gaga version of a dress rather than the actual dress that you're going to wear. Okay. And the work and study space of a haute couture fashion designer

is called a blank. Sweatshop. Okay. Maybe. Yeah, possibly. Here, I'll ask you a couple more questions. I'll tell you what has come back in the last sort of, which has come back, is more retro sneakers.

It's like we always used to buy the new pair of Jordans, and now everyone's gone back to the Jordan 1s. Is that a thing? I don't know. That's fashion for me anyway. I'm going to ask you a few more questions. Like I said, I'm going to ask some of these as we're talking to Meredith, so I shouldn't have to sit there the whole time.

When did women start wearing pants, like regularly? When did women start wearing pants? Yeah. All right. So Hillary was running in the 2016 election. No, I'm going to say when did women start wearing pants? Okay. I just watched the movie 9 to 5 again on Hulu the other day

and they're all walking to it, coming in. The whole opening sequence is that song with just women's legs walking along to work, all in dresses with shoes. So that was in the mid eighties. So I'm going to say that that wasn't a commonplace thing. I'm sure women wore pants before that. We've always had pants wearing people, jeans and what, did jeans count? Well, just give me an answer. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So I'm going to, they were definitely wearing pants in the, in the seventies, like jeans and flares and all that type of stuff. So I was in the seventies. In the sixties, I never remember sort of seeing like at a Beatles concert, women wearing pants. No. Okay. I was at all the Beatles concerts.

I'm very old. Now there's footage, there's footage, you know, there's loads of it. What does the French, I mispronounce everything. What does the French phrase, pret-a-porter? What is that? Pret-a-porter. Pret-a-porter. Pret-a-porter, I don't know what it means,

but Pret-a-Manger is my favorite sandwich company in the UK. Great. Okay. Perfect. Okay. Let me, I'll just ask this real quick. What do you call the diamond-shaped pattern often seen on socks? Oh, Argyle.

Argyle. Okay. Nice. What is a cold shoulder silhouette? I can even give you houndstooth. I didn't ask you about houndstooth. Houndstooth. What is a cold shoulder silhouette?

It's where you have a top that is only over one shoulder and the other shoulder is exposed. Do the multiple choice question. Oh, yeah, okay, multiple choice, and then we'll get to Meredith here. Where would you wear an espadrille? A, on your head, B, on your neck, C, on your feet, D, on your fingers. I believe it's on your fingers. Okay.

Oh, no, no, no. It might be on your neck. Oh, God. Fingers or neck. I think it's one of these little fingerless. It could be. I'm going to go neck. I'm changing my neck.

All right, Meredith. We're going to ask some more questions, but how do you think, Jim, as far as fashion zero through 10? I'm kind of impressed. I'm kind of impressed. Knew a lot of designers. Yeah, I wasn't sure

what your knowledge base was. I was kind of surprised that you knew some things. I think 10 is the best. 10 is like perfect. So I think maybe like a 6.5. Yeah, I'm all right with that. I'm all right with that.

Yeah, not bad. Yeah, she asked me, she's like, I was like, do you have any questions about the show? She's like, okay, what's Jim's knowledge of fashion? And I was like, ah, here's the thing. I had a lot of black t-shirts, a lot of leather jackets. But you have like one picture like on the internet. I think it's like your Wikipedia. I don't know.

You just have this one picture where you're like in a suit. You're like in a desert or something. That's a Tom Ford suit. That button doesn't do up anymore. I tried to put it on the other day for a Zoom meeting. That was a proper meeting, and, man, that button does not work no more. But that was for the Jim Jefferies show. It was a Tom Ford suit, and I still have that suit.

Yeah, it's a good one. The stylists on that show were great. That was a $5,000 suit. You always looked top notch. That was the best thing I got out of that show. Although there was, for the last season, didn't they pitch some crazy outfits? To fix the ratings or whatever. Our ratings were fine.

Our ratings were fine, but they were like, oh, we've got to get John Oliver ratings in. Because John always wears these stupid plaid shirts with his jackets or whatever. Whatever. It's fine. And I liked me black suit with the white shirts. That was what I had.

And they go, how about you wear younger clothes? I didn't like when Conan did it, when he went over to younger clothes. And I was like, just the suit, man. Yeah. I don't want to be picking my fashion every week. I just wanted an outfit where I go, da-da, superhero outfit. I remember seeing the deck of proposed outfits, and I was like, what the fuck? Like, there was one that was completely Paisley.

Shirt, pants, everything was completely Paisley, and I was like, what the fuck are we doing here? There was a lot of suede, brown, camel-colored stuff. Yeah. They really leaned into the leather, the suede, all that. Yeah, bad. I used to wear All Saints on the regular. And then when I got a bit of money, I went over to the Vivardis.

And when I get poorer again, I'll go back to the All Saints. That's going to be my five-year plan. That's a good plan. Short. Yeah, by the way, if you were wondering how he guessed fashion, because I just said Ringo Starr. We didn't even explain that. That was at a concert.

Because you know how John Bovadas have all these rock stars, that they do the fashion things and that type of stuff? So Ringo Starr was that one. But then they had one of them, the model was Willie Nelson. And you're like, really? Was Willie ever known for... Turns out long plaits are in.

Yeah. How did he do on confidence, Kelly? I'd give him a six on confidence. Six, okay. 12.5 total. Okay, I'm going to give you a 10 on et cetera. So Shantae, you stay. All right.

All right. I watch RuPaul's Drag Race. I just wanted to say Shantae, you stay. That's the most impressive thing about RuPaul's Drag Race is not that they're drag queens, it's that they make their outfits. Like, being a drag queen is very impressive. But they make their own outfits. I'm like, these are seamstress, man.

They're well done. Is seamstress a dirty word? Is that bad? No. No, okay. I didn't know. Not in my book, but, you know. Oh, I didn't know someone would go,

they're not called seamstress anymore. It's like cook versus chef yeah yeah yeah called stitch professionals taylor is the word i use taylor yeah i i let you go when i when i had that suit actually fitted they took me to tom ford before the show and they did that it's the only time in my life i got put on a box and like yeah yeah and like a couple like three-way mirror three-way mirror all around me i got I stood up on a box and then there was a person with that sort of flat chalk that was coming up and doing all the flat chalk. And there's two gay guys that were sitting behind me like this going,

cuffs or no cuffs. Cuffs are back. Cuffs are back in and cuffs were out for a very long time. Cuffs on pants are a thing. But does he need a high cuff or a low cuff? All right. I'll get to the questions. We went for low cuff.

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Very nice. Cuts. So what is fashion? As Jim, he said clothes, stylistic moves with the times, environmental nightmare. Is there an actual definition? What should we think about when we think of fashion? Like, like the word. Well, that was actually really, I thought what you said was really good. Actually. I was like,

that's a cool way to think about it. Cause I think, you know, it's like the word fashion has a couple of different meanings, the fashion in which you do something. So it is kind of like the style of the times. But I think when you think of the times, like when you're talking about, oh, in the caveman days, you know, this is what you wore, like time is a long, think of it like in a longer trajectory. That's how I think about it. You know, not just like the trends of the year, the trends of the last decade, but kind of like when we're going to be looking back in history, the fashion of, of that era, you know, but it is, I mean, if you look up the

definition in the dictionary, I think it's something like the style of a, of a culture in a certain, in a certain time period. Um, so yeah, it's not necessarily revolving around trends per se but more just the general cultural uh acceptance of something but it is also yeah it is an environmental nightmare especially now yeah yeah do you ever use the term uh fashion victim and not not really i mean do you have a style that you gave someone that you look back on it now five or six years later and you go what the fuck was I thinking yeah myself I go I looked a hot mess at a lot of points in my life so I that's why I don't have a lot of judgy fashion energy in me because I've made a lot of personal mistakes.

But yeah, I think that's the other thing with it. Like trends are interesting, but a lot of times following trends results in like regret. So I'm not a huge trend person. My biggest hate in fashion is when if you show too many name brands written across your chest, like it just says Gucci, and then you have the Gucci shoes and the thing. I don't like that. That's a big turnoff for me because you're just saying money.

I've got money. Look at my money. I do wear pretty green T-shirts that say pretty green. I think sometimes I wear like a Nike swoosh or something like that. That's more leisure wear though, isn't it? So it's a different thing. Yeah. But people have been, that's what's so interesting because like people have been doing that across

like centuries. Like there's been certain dyes that only rich people had access to. So if you were wearing like this certain purple dye, everybody knew you were rich, you know? So we've been like signaling to other people that we either have money or don't have money based on what we wear. Well, see, there's the Hugo Boss theory, right? So Hugo Boss designed all the Nazis outfits, right?

Yeah. And he was a Nazi and then he sort of died soon after the war and then they still kept going with it. He must have been a good designer. I'll tell you what, he must have been a hell of a designer for them to go, don't even worry, because he was a full-on Nazi. He was a member of the Nazi party before they were popular, before they got into power.

He was a Nazi hipster. He was a ground roots Nazi. Wow. And they still have the, I still buy stuff. I'm still in. I'm like, all right, well. Would you say he's your favorite Nazi? I will say yes.

My favorite Nazi of all time is Hugo Boss or the last Pope before this one. Who decides like the trends? You just mentioned that. Like Jim was saying designers magazines like how is that's really interesting because it's like um again things are more complicated and complex than they seem so yes designers will put out collections but they're getting information from different organizations that are forecasting trends and those forecasts are based on what's going on in our culture.

It could be ties to like, you know, different shifts in organizations. Like it's, it's more complicated. And I'm not a trend forecaster. I know some, but there are a lot of organizations that are forecasting trends. People forecast trends in fashion and technology. They're looking at what's happening in culture and where they think we're going to move in the future. And they're coming up with these trends that are then funneled out to designers and they're basing collections on some of that information, depending on the designer. I mean, there's so many designers in the world that it's a mixed bag how they approach.

So when you say a trend forecaster, is that their job or is it just a person like an influencer on Instagram? It's a job. It's a job. There are organizations and companies that are trend forecasting companies. How do they make money? Who pays them? How do they make money? Who pays them? That's a good question. And I don't know the answer to that, but that is an interesting question that might affect what they are,

in fact, forecasting. Illuminati. I saw that. Who's that guy, New York bloke, Rachel from Friends worked for him. He makes all the red and. Oh, Ralph Lauren. Ralph Lauren. I saw the documentary on Ralph Lauren,

which was on HBO, right? And he was just like... He wasn't even like a fashion... He had no history in fashion. It was just like... Everyone's like, I went to a party at the Hamptons. This guy is so cool. You gotta meet this guy.

He's like, he's so cool. And then people were writing articles like there's this guy who's really cool. And he just started making clothes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he was just a guy who dressed fashionably, who people talked about a lot. And he still does.

He shows up and goes, oh, pop the collar. And they're like, boom. Oh, Ralph. Ralph, you've done it again. His name's Ralph. Yeah, but Lorraine is a good. Lorraine's a good. Yeah, Lorraine's all right.

But a guy, my mate Ralph. You've got to check out Ralph. Ralph's got some killer flip flops. Ralph is the most fashionable bloke you've ever met. All the women like Ralph. And he was like 5'5", and he was like a little tiny fellow that was really fashionable. It's kind of odd.

I asked Jim if he can name three trends that have been popular in the last year. He said flares and sweatpants. How's he doing? Yeah, that one? Yeah, that one was a little, I don't know. You know, the last year, like because of quarantine, because of the global pandemic, definitely sweatsuits.

I don't know if you've seen people in tie-dye more. Like you see a lot of people in tie-dye sweatsuits. Oh, Jack's coming back in. Jack, my assistant, who's doing the sound today, he loves a tie-dye sweatsuits. Jack's coming back in. Jack, my assistant, who's doing the sound today, he loves a tie-dye sweatsuit. He loves a tie-dye t-shirt. He loves the Grateful Dead. He's not wearing the kind you think, though. Yeah, yeah. He's wearing one that he bought from a guy from a truck

out in front of a Grateful Dead concert. That's cool, though. That's cool. I love tie-dye. I made one in my garage. Jason Sudeikis was wearing that. Jason Sudeikis was wearing the tie dye for the golden globes and that he had a hoodie. And I looked at it and I go, I bet you that hoodie is worth a lot of money.

That's like a really expensive tie dye hoodie that he's wearing. So that's interesting. Yeah, tie dye. Oh, you know the other thing you said, Jimmy, you were talking about bucket hats. Bucket hats have actually had like a pretty big comeback. Yeah, that's upsetting.

Boom shakalaka. Yeah, it's upsetting. You might be a fashion trendset upsetting. You might be a fashion trendsetter. You might be. I'm telling you, I just thought buckethead. I saw one bloke on the beach wearing a buckethead. Bucket hat. Buckethead was the guitarist for Guns

and Roses for a while. I dare you for the rest of this week, every day. It comes tomorrow. Oh, okay. I haven't got it yet. I want just a cotton one, but I think I bought one of those furry ones. It's really bad. Oh, no. I looked at the picture.

So that's why I'm sorry. You bought a furry bucket hat? It hasn't come yet, but I believe it is from the picture. I showed it to my wife. I said, I bought myself a bucket hat. She goes, a furry one? I wouldn't have bought a furry one. I'm not an idiot.

I dare you to post an Instagram story every day. Just one story wearing the bucket hat. It's a Kangol bucket hat. Yeah, as one does. And I want to get an Adidas, just a simple one, because I used to wear an Adidas one in Britain when I was hip. And I want to get an Adidas, just simple bucket hat. I used to wear them on a boat

when I worked on a boat. Pretty green has about seven bucket hats at the moment all covered in paisley. Too flashy. I'm just dipping my toe in the water with a basic furry one. I like the idea that the bucket hat itself isn't too flashy, but if it's paisley nope. Too flashy.

I used to have a reversible bucket hat that was black on one side and then paisley on the other side. That's cool. Yeah, yeah. And so you could go, oh, am I partying or am I just going to work? Right. Two for one.

It's my business bucket hat. Business on the outside, party on the inside. Okay, so tie-dye. Went well with my mullet. Bucket hats. Anything else? Sweatsuits, yeah. I guess they'd. Anything else? Sweatsuits, yeah. I guess they'd have to be.

Sweatsuits, sets. Things that are oversized, especially for women. There's like a lot of oversized, you know, kind of like Billie Eilish. Is that because they've become fat in quarantine? Yes. I mean, that's a theory. It turns out Billie Eilish has been pregnant all the time. It's like all the hype brand stuff that people line up on like Sunset Boulevard for.

Oh, yeah. That's fucking annoying. Supreme. The line outside of Supreme all the time. All those clothes are oversized. All of them. Because I grew up in an era of the oversized clothes. I grew up in the really, really baggy jeans.

You could fit two legs into one and you wore them a little bit lower and you did the crisscross jeans. You know what I mean? I remember when that was happening thinking, well, this is shit. One time my brother came home. I know he's listening to the podcast. And so, Scott, I'm not trying to rip on you. And if any of your friends are listening. But it was the of your friends listen but it was the mid-80s it was the mid-80s my brother bought

a pair of mc hammer pants and i remember thinking oh no this is a white guy in australia oh god i don't think he ever wore him it was just an impulse buy uh jenko's those were the pants jenko's were the big thing when I was growing up and god they were so hideous I had a pair and it was just a JNCOs

with the wallet chain I didn't have a wallet chain I don't have a wallet chain that was always a thing cause that they were super popular when I lived in Canada and that was like

there was a grunge aesthetic at the time and it was just the big oversized jeans they were like for raving and stuff too. They were for a fucking party. I'll tell you one thing that never goes out of fashion, and it beats all fashion all the time, just a pair of Converse.

They last. They live. They're like cockroaches. You can get rid of everything. Converse still survive. Yeah, you're actually not wrong about that. I agree. I agree.

Yeah. I asked you what haute couture is, and you said it's stuff on the catwalk. It's the vision, but not the actual fashion. And then I asked you what the work and study space of a haute couture fashion designer is called. You said sweatshop. How did Jim do on that? Is that correct?

The haute couture? He did not do well on that one. I had to get something wrong. What is one. I had to get something wrong. What is that? I had to get something wrong. Could you get a 6.5? I've gotten everything right up until now. And then I was about to go, if I got a 6.5, you could all fuck off. I'll storm out and smash the place up.

You didn't have the trends. I did. I got the trends. Sweatpants. You were just like everything you had it, but it was like. It was kind of like you've heard of clothes before before we answer this question what is it called when they do the extreme thing on the catwalk where people come out in a bubble dress and just nipple clamps and then they go oh that

someone's dressed in fashion show but what is it because no one buys that stuff do they no one ever buys it it's meant to be. You would be surprised. There are people with lots of money and a very high interest in fashion that are buying pieces straight from the runway directly from the designer, which is what haute couture is. It's custom made clothing that you commission and is made specifically for you to your measurements, to your preferences. Oh, I didn't know that.

So in some ways addressed to the Oscars, that could be a haute couture. for you to your measurements to your preferences oh i didn't know that so when someone was addressed to the oscars that could be a hope couture could be but like there's like a there there are the couture shows which are separate from the other fashion shows that are like the most high end the most beautiful the most well maybe not the most beautiful, but the most technically advanced. These are things that like very, very wealthy people are buying these pieces directly from the designer. So yeah. And some celebrities do wear couture. Some don't. It depends.

And so the work and the study space of this is called not called a sweatshop, right? It's not called a sweatshop. It's called an atelier. Which is a fancy word for sweatshop. Which is French for shop of sweats. People that work in an atelier are like very experienced tailors.

And I mean, these are people that this is a, particularly in France, this is a very prestigious to work in an atelier with a designer making these clothes. I work in the atelier. Sometimes when I get hungry, I eat my croissant filled with Nutella at the atelier.

Here's a question I didn't ask, and I guess I'll just keep mispronouncing everything. Jim, let's see if you can answer this. What is an, how do you say that? How do you say that word? Which one?

E-P-A-U. Epaulette. Epaulette. What is an epaulette and who might be fine with one on their clothing, Jim? Oh, epaulette. Oh,

I do know this. It's like the collar of your shirts, of your jackets. So who would be found wearing one on their clothing? Oh, an epaulette. Epaulette. No, no, no. It's the military thing on the side of your

jackets. There's little straps in the shoulder of your jackets and they're originally built so that you can put like a beret in there when you're not on patrol and you can button it down and put it up into your shoulder. Am I right? Yeah, and they also, it down and put it up into your shoulder am i right yeah and they also it's like it display it's almost you know what i was thinking of it it's like displaying your rank yeah like a lot of time epaulettes in the military you know they all have different stripes or hanging down or whatever you know that reminds me of those

members i have a lot of military jackets that have those, you know, the members only jackets used to have the, they weren't, they were a version of that. There was like a button they put there. And when I was in school, those were in fashion,

but I couldn't afford one. And then they made a comeback and it made me angry. Cause then I was like, fuck these jackets. I'll tell you, I'll tell you a color that's in fashion right now. Everywhere I go, every comedian,

army green, wearing like a,aring like a military green jacket. The comedians aren't the push of fashion. Who's the most fashionable comedian? Me? Who's the most fashionable comedian? But you show up to a

comedy show, it was like me, Whitney Cummings, and somebody else, I don't know, right? We look like the cast of MASH. I'm telling you. That green color. And they kept on dressing me for when I did the field pieces in that military green.

So I'm telling you. Yeah, who would be the most fashionable comedian? The most fashionable comedian. All right, I'll do this. This is a fun question. There was a list of the top 25, but it's from 2013. Yeah, no, no, no. Eddie Murphy had terrible choices, but they were out there.

The purple leather outfit with a scarf. Simbad. Simbad. He used to wear those. Larry the Cable Guy with the cut-off sleeves. Yeah, casual. Icon. Oh, sorry.

Oh, pardon me, epaulette. Oh, pardon me, Appalachia. I think a lot of the females are very fashionable people. They get, you know, like Nikki Glacier puts a lot of work into outfits. Whitney Cummings is always very well dressed. I think a lot of them are. Whitney is a lot of animal-based fashion. A lot of horse shirts. No, But Nikki is a big vegan person.

So my wife's a vegan. So when I dated women before my wife, I used to always just buy a pair of Louboutin shoes once a year and then buy them a handbag, and then I'm done. I'm the best boyfriend in the world, right? That's all you do, right? Birthday, Christmas, sorted. I didn't have to think.

I threw money at the problem, and I walked away, right? That's all you do, right? Birthday, Christmas, sorted. I didn't have to think. I threw money at the problem and I walked away, right? But now with the vegan wife, oh my God, pain in the ass. You have to be thoughtful. All I do is Stella McCartney gets a workout in my house. I tell you, Stella McCartney, whenever I'm in trouble, come on, Stella, fix this for me, Stella. Because she's your number one vegan designer is there any other vegan designers that you can help me out with oh yeah there's other just you know um there's an Australian designer named Maggie Maryland she does I don't know if she makes footwear and and bags if you're looking for like a faux leather vibe but she makes clothing write that down for me, Jet.

Maggie what? Maggie Maryland. Maggie Maryland. All right, Maggie. You know what? No, she's from New Zealand. I'm sorry. Scribble it out, Jax.

Burning it. It's on fire. Oh, no. I don't have enough leather to make these shoes, bro. Let's just make it out of cotton. But there's a lot of smaller emerging designers that are sustainable. So you can widen

your gifting. Is Stella, is she a popular thing, the McCartney? Is that a big one? Yeah, yeah. She's definitely popular. Yeah. Finally, she had a head start in life. She pulled herself up from the bootstraps

made of vegan leather some of the comedians they were saying was Eddie Izzard Russell Brand Russell Brand was very fashionable Russell Brand

was so fashionable that other people who weren't Russell Brand were trying to dress like Russell Brand our friend Amos Gill tried to dress like Russell Brand he trying to dress like Russell Brand. Our friend Amos Gill tried to dress like Russell Brand.

He does look like a Russell Brand. I remember X Factor was on British TV. I was living out there and Russell was really hitting. This is about 2006. And I remember one of the guys who was winning it, they went there and he just put pictures of Russell Brand down, like this is who I want to look like. Aziz Ansari is mentioned a lot, but he switched his look up.

I don't get to mention leather jackets all the time. You're not in any of these lists. Yeah. Not in any of these lists. That's bizarre. Definitely. Well, this one just says Richard Pryor, a master of casual flamboyance. Yeah.

Richard Pryor, he wore gold shoes. Like one of his specials, I got gold shoes. Okay. I asked you, where would you wear an espadrille? And I gave you multiple choice and you said you were going between finger and neck. I know that you're wrong on this. This is one of the questions I actually need.

Yeah, I'm kind of surprised. I feel like you may have had a pair of espadrilles in your life. No, no. That wasn't even an option. Yeah, legs was not a choice. Not to wear pants. No, no. Still wrong. Still wrong. That wasn't even an option. Yeah, legs wasn't out of place. It's a shoe. It's a shoe.

You know, it's got a canvas top and then it kind of looks like rope on the bottom. Like boat shoes almost. Oh, no. Yeah, like those. Yeah, no, I don't.

Put them up on the screen, Lewis. I wear, oh, no, I got some leather slip-on ones. Not with a rope. I've never done the rope. I've owned a lot of vans in me day, but I can't squeeze me foot in anymore. They're a bit too puffy, me foot for a van.

I had to go back to the Converse. I was all vanned up for a while. I wear in the Converse, I wear a 10. In the vans, I have to wear a 10 and a half. It's fucking ludicrous. Ooh. You've got a puffy foot. Yeah, I've got a puffy foot. Yeah, I've got a puffy ass foot, man.

Was this before or after I hit your foot with a golf ball? Yeah, yeah. Jack hit me in the foot with a golf ball at full speed. And I was standing next to him, not in front of him. Like five feet away. I was right there. I was maybe eight degrees in front of him

to the side. Oh, that was a hell of a shank. Yeah, he shanked it straight into my bloody foot, and I had to limp around. That's to get from making fun of me before I hit it. How did I make fun of you? I think you guys were just teasing me for whatever reason. Virgin! We always tease you.

When did women start regularly wearing pants? Jim said the 70s. Yeah. Well, that was interesting, the way you broke it down because it made it didn't make sense like logically you were on a path you were going somewhere yeah that was for all my q listeners out there the uh date has moved back to September 4th. Because that's the thing with Q, right? They had the March 4th that didn't happen, right?

Stop making your deadlines so short. Enjoy your conspiracy. Go, oh, it's going to be September 24 or something. Have a good run. So you were, like, regularly women started wearing pants in the mid-20th century. So you were Like regularly Women started wearing pants In the mid 20th century So you were You were You were

You were somewhere So the 19th I was saying on the regular though On the regular But what was it like So They weren't even allowed Like what would happen

That kind of like Well I think in the 19th And I'm not a fashion historian per se But like in the 19th century P and I'm not a fashion historian per se, but like in the 19th century, pants existed. Like women would wear pants, but would they wear them in public? I don't think so. I don't know that there was a punishment or anything like that.

I just think it wasn't culturally accepted. And I know you just said you're not a historian. I'm just curious. Like jeans. When did jeans, like I remember, like you look at like photos back at... Huh? They're so uncomfortable. I like jeans.

I think jeans are so uncomfortable. Yeah, but it's like such a thing now. Like jeans are such a part of like just... But they find like 150-year-old Levi's and they go at auction for lots of money. They found something out of mineshaft. Yeah, but that's probably where they're probably working close.

Why were they taken off in a mineshaft? There was a couple of blokes that were down there going, we've been down here for a very long time.

It's getting kind of hot. They were probably hot. It probably got hot. And then they had sex and they went, let's not even put our pants back on. Let's just show society

who we are. They walked out. What does the French phrase prete porter? We didn't learn when jeans came in. We have to learn that. It wasn't a question. I don't know.

I'm not a historian, so I can't be like, okay, this is fact, fact, fact. But I'm pretty sure Levi Strauss and I believe it was worn at first for farming. Yeah. The denim was created as part of a good thing to wear when you're farming. It's like a utility fabric.

This is the thing I will say about fashion, which I wish they would just stop, right? Because men, it's suits. Women in fashion is so broad. But for businesswear right let's just because because like men it's suits women in fashion is so broad but like for business where it's just suits and so you go from double-breasted two buttons three buttons one button big lapels small lapels like just just pick a fucking one because i own 20 from from like two years ago the shoulder pads and i want them just to stay like that yeah i don't want to come to a wedding and people will be like, oh, fucking hell, you see the suit is red.

Really? Two buttons? And then they do this. They go wider with a tie, thinner with a tie, paper thin with a tie, big knot, small knot. Like it's variations on the same thing. Just leave it alone. Yeah.

Okay. I think you need to establish your style and go with that. Will they ever bring back hats with horns on them like the Vikings had? That would be something I'd be well down for. Didn't that guy wear one during the Capitol? Pussy hats were pretty big. What were? Pussy hats.

Oh, yeah. You and Flavor Flav can wear those hats. Also, here's one. I feel like lingerie doesn't move much. I feel like it stays pretty stationary. Like it goes garter belt, but they go floral pattern. They all go like meshy thing. I've bought lots of lingerie over the years.

What about chastity belt? I mean, are you still rocking with those? That's Shane. I wouldn't have a kid if they still had those bloody things. So what is that? You said you didn't know what that phrase meant, pret-a-porter. No, I know. Oh, no.

I'm mispronouncing it. I say pret-a-manger. You know what pret-a-porter means. I didn't know how to pronounce it. I know there was a movie called Pret-a-Porter, and I think I watched it. So there you go. It means like ready-to-wear clothing,

which means you're going to a store and you're taking it off the rack and you're going home with it. It's ready to wear. Oh, I saw it. The sandwich is a pre-made. Ready to eat. Ready to eat. There you go. You were going somewhere.

Wait, so that means like off the rack? That's a way better way to say that then. That's how I wear clothing. Well, this is Pret-a-Porter. Do you not appreciate the French language? Yeah, I just Pret-a-Porter. Pret-a-Porter, I go to this is Pret-a-Porter. Do you not appreciate the French language? Yeah, I just Pret-a-Porter. Pret-a-Porter. I went to Target for Pret-a-Porter.

I went to Target. No, it's Target. Target. I went to Target. Hey, did I get the Argyle socks right? Diamond-shaped pattern often seen on socks. Yeah. You sure did.

I got them all. Gingham, houndstooth. You could ask me any of those. Gingham style? Yeah, gingham. You know gingham. It's a little tiny. I'll find gingham, houndstooth. You could ask me any of those. Gingham style? Yeah, gingham. You know gingham. It's a little tiny. I'll find gingham style.

Gingham's the little tiny checkers, like a tablecloth. Almost like a picnic blanket. I got some gingham. What's houndstooth? Houndstooth is a squiggly pattern that's normally in black and white. There's a company called David Jones in Australia, which used to be the big department store in Australia. They still are there.

And houndstooth pattern. If you Google it, it'll put up on the screen. Here's another question. Here's another question we didn't ask Jim. So what is inclusive sizing? Inclusive sizing. It's where it's, it's where the designers make stuff for the fatties. Oh, come on. Oh, that's not the spirit of inclusive sizing.

That's the gist. What's the spirit? That's got to be my fashion brand. It's got to be called Boomba Clothing. The spirit is just that it can also be, you know, inclusive sizing means including more people. So it could even be petite sizing. It could be, you know, up to 24 and beyond.

Because those fashion designers, they've never included the petite. Get the fuck out of here. I grew up in the era of heroin chic modeling. We used to include the heroin addicts. Yeah, there is that weird thing sometimes when you're shopping for clothes and I'm bigger, obviously, but they're like, this is an extra large, and then this is an extra large, and this one. You're like, these aren't even close.

It's just up in the air for the designer to be like, we can do whatever we want with it. I mean, sizing, yeah, is so not consistent between any brand. It's like, how do you? Even the same brand. My stylist said that I was very easy to dress because I was six foot and I was a certain weight and I was pretty easy to buy clothes for, except I have little tiny stumpy legs and a big, yeah,

like I have little short legs. They always had to be adjusted. Oh, you got a long torso. I got a long torso with little tiny legs on me. That's not the right proportions, mate. My torso is so long that I can't wear certain bomber jackets because they look like a midriff. They sit up a bit high.

I have one from Paul Smith that used to sit up. Like if I raised my arms, it went above my belly button. And it was just like, oh. What is a cold shoulder silhouette? Jim said it's when there's just one strap over a shoulder. Is that right? Yeah, no, that's not actually what it is. But I like that answer.

Yeah, I thought you nailed it. The confidence was, I was like, wow, he got it. He was like, yes, I know this. But it's okay. You know what I was thinking of? Did you see where Dolly Parton just put out a video speaking of nine to five Dolly Parton just put out a video of her being vaccinated and she had like these cutouts on both shoulders.

Oh yeah. Yeah. There's always been rumors she has tattoos. Did she have tattoos? Oh, they were saying that she was covering up her arms because of her tattoos. I didn't see something like that. I heard she has sleeves. That's why she always has long sleeves and she has the tattoos.

That's cool. I'd love to see it. But yeah, it's just got this cutout. It's got two cutouts on the shoulder here. Yeah, I know that. That seems like a kind of a Southern look. I hate a cold shoulder. I hate it so much. I can't even explain to you the anger that I get when I see a cold shoulder thing.

I'm like, why are we doing this? Either make there no shoulders or cover the shoulders. I'm going to cut out a black T-shirt and get some cold shoulders next podcast. With a bucket hat. Yeah. Oh, God, yeah. I'm going to cold shoulder bucket hat it off. You wait for the next podcast.

It's going to be a deal. I can't wait to see it. I'm going to be furious. You're going to cut it yourself? Yeah, I'm not going to buy one. Okay. I've got lots of T-shirts I don't use anymore. Yeah, don't be ridiculous for us.

A lot of my fashion came from early Brit pop music. So Oasis, The Stone Roses, and all that type of stuff. When it was a lot of like, I was living in Britain, and it was a lot of parkas. Is parkas still out? But that's more of a british thing the parker thing right yeah i mean parkers come and go i would say i mean i think it's a standard thing too but definitely the brits i mean you got not you

sorry but yeah british people love a parka i think what's an australian fashion thing that you've recognized if you ever like because aust because Australians have a lot of fucking tacky things going on I was there once I was there once a wife beater in a shorts that's a thing they call them in Britain like a

tank top a singlet a singlet they call them wife beaters is that an acceptable term in the fashion industry I don't think we're using that anymore. I think it's not saying the positive light. I think it's pleasers now. Here's two questions we didn't ask. I'm going to ask you these last two questions we didn't ask.

Why would it be risky to wear a crinoline? Crinoline? Crinoline. Crinoline. Crinoline. Why would it be risky to wear a crinoline near Crinoline? Crinoline. Crinoline. Why would it be risky to wear a crinoline near a cliff on a windy day? Oh, because it's a

parachute. Because it's a hang glider. Because it'll have flappy things underneath your arms. What is it? It's a flappy outfit. Yeah, it's a flappy outfit for us. A flappy outfit. What's a crinoline? Did you say fluffy or flappy? It can be fluffy and flappy, but for the most part, it's a flappy outfit for us. Flappy outfit. What's a crinoline? Did you say fluffy or flappy? Flappy.

It can be fluffy and flappy, but for the most part, it's just flappy. Because of country, right? Yeah. Time of day. What's the time zone? How cold is it? How windy is this cliff? It's pretty windy.

Really windy. It's a windy day. I'd like to streak at this funeral. If Dave wasn't wearing his crinoline, things would have been different. He loved to walk after dinner and he says, it's a bit nippy out, give me my crinoline. He fell off the cliff. It took him five minutes to die before he floated out to the ocean

and couldn't swim back. Damn you, crinoline. What is a crinoline? A crinoline is a stiff skirt-looking thing. It's usually made of something called tulle, and it makes your skirt go out further. So it's more stiff. Oh, like that.

It's like a cage for your skirt. Like the hoops. Yeah, right there, Jim. Like these. Yeah, like the hoop dresses, the hoop things. Yeah, they wore in like Oklahoma and all that type of stuff. So if you're standing on a cliff on a windy day. That's why they wore them in the musical Oklahoma,

because it's inland and there's no cliffs. Yeah, no cliffs, no wind. It's a very flat town. It's perfect crinoline weather. Many people have died wearing crinoline on a cliff. Yeah, that's a fact. We need to look up the stats on that. Okay, last question, Jim.

If I'm wearing a petticoat and bloomers, what century am I likely from? Oh, Petticoat Junction. That was Petticoat's 1950s. No, 1940s. Okay, so last century. Yeah, last century, yeah. Seems like it'd be older yeah I think

I would say that's like 17th century the more typical not in Australia we were way behind we didn't get the trends

you know bloomers are like those they're basically underwear but the longer they're like long johns versions yeah long johns I have a pair of long johns that I crack out every time I perform in Canada So bloomers are like those long, they're basically underwear, but the longer version. Yeah, long johns.

I have a pair of long johns that I crack out every time I perform in Canada. I do when I perform in Canada in the middle of winter. I've been to places that are like 30 below, right? Yeah. And so I wear the long johns, but then they heat the auditorium so much that my legs, after I finish getting off stage, I just peel off. There's just sweat running down my legs. I get thrush on the regular after a gig in Canada.

Hey, maybe don't wear the long johns. But then I have to go back outside and they come in handy. How long are you spending outside? Just don't walk to the venue. You ride a snowmobile? I want to have a bit of a walk. Get dropped off at the front door. Walk faster.

They're so nice when you're outside. It's like, oh. You remember the episode of MASH where Hawkeye got a pair of long johns and it was a whole episode. Dropped off at the front door. Walk faster. They're so nice when you're outside. It's like, oh. You remember the episode of MASH where Hawkeye got a pair of Long Johns and it was a whole episode. Everyone else was cold and then they heard about him and they tried to steal him off him. Classic. Okay, so this is a part of the show called Dinner Party Facts.

We ask our expert to. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh. We ask our expert to give us one fact obscure interesting that the audience can use to impress people Coco the monkey was named after Coco Chanel I don't know I don't know Coco puffs um well yeah I wasn't sure because I didn't really know, especially Jim, like where you were at with your sort of fashion. But I think based on, and I don't know who you dine with.

I'll tell you where I'm at with my fashion. The same as I am with my sport. I like watching it. I don't like participating. This is for anyone. This is for all the listeners. well on the sustainability tip i feel like something interesting that's being developed right now and there are products made of it but it's more um it's coming more into popularity i would say is there is a type of leather that is made from the leaves of pineapples. So it is a sustainable type of leather.

And the company that does this is called, I hope I pronounce it right. Cause I, I don't always pronounce things right, but it's a peanut text pit. Wait, pineapple, pin a text. You gotta be careful with that one. That was good with my green sparky hat. Yeah. Yeah. Well it is piña. It's got the little ñ over the end. So piña text.

Piña text. Yeah, there you go. Wow. Pineapple leaf fiber. I feel like that's a cool, interesting fact, especially if you're into getting away from fast fashion. It looks good. It feels great.

But the flies, the fruit flies will pull you. Yeah, well, that's good for your problem that you were saying, trying to buy leather for your wife. Yeah, but I like her to get active and do things herself, a bit of homecraft. So I'll just buy her a few pineapples. It looks good. It looks like leather, though.

I'm looking at it. It looks like leather. It comes in different colors. It's really beautiful. I would love to have that. It sounds like it's going to be very expensive. Is it going to be very expensive or is it cheaper? I think right now it is a little bit pricier because things get cheaper

when you make a lot of it. Things get cheaper when you make things in sweatshops. That's why people do it. So it is more expensive. We can now, they can manufacture meat. They've almost got it, it's so expensive now that they can manufacture meat in labs that isn't real meat, right?

Diamonds too. Why can't we manufacture what? I just spent money on a fucking diamond. Why can't we manufacture leather? I know we have vinyl and all that type of stuff. Leather. But it's not quite right

you mean so it so it feels and looks like leather yeah so it moves the same because vinyl doesn't move the same it doesn't have the same sort of thing going well i think you can but i think this a lot of these things come back to the people that don't want that happening are leather people you know like they're gonna do everything and they have funding and you know they don't want that where do all the clothes that are thrown out go are they just in in landfill or oh that's such a good i mean there's so much going on with that because we're so wasteful especially in this country um so a lot of clothes like if you're dropping off clothes to Goodwill or wherever, and it's making you feel like you're a saint or a do good or something, that's not necessarily

true. A lot of clothes get shipped overseas to different countries, places where people don't have as much money and, um, are being sold there. I watched this whole documentary about how in Haiti, all of these clothes that we give to the Goodwill are being shipped there and sold. So a lot of local artisans are losing their businesses because people are buying, you know, Nikes and Levi's from from these pieces. And there have been controversies like you were mentioning, like designers. There have been controversies about designers burning clothing because they didn't want to.

designers burning clothing because they didn't want to, you know, if you put something, something that you showed in a collection and then you're selling it at a much lesser price after then they feel it depletes their brand, it cheapens their brand, devalues their brand. So there's been a lot, but a lot of these companies are being sort of, their feet are being more held to the fire. So they're trying to figure out how to do things a little bit better. But we're super wasteful, you know? Unbelievable wasteful. Yeah, I mean, fast fashion is the big thing right now.

It's just like anything that you get is under $20. But it's hard to not participate in that because clothes are expensive. When you see a UNICEF thing and it's in Africa and they show the local kids and they're winning like Tampa wins the World Series t-shirts that were made in case Tampa won and then they just get shipped out.

I'll tell you what does good sustainable thing. I was reading a thing the other day which is doing very well since the internet and all that type of stuff. Board games now are pretty much being made to order. They don't make thousands and thousands of monopolies or maybe monopolies are a bad example.

If you buy a board game, they can manufacture them in the factory. They only make them to order now. They go out so there's not as much waste. Board games is where it's at. They've made a comeback. board games are in now. Yeah, because people don't really go to board game shops anymore. They just make them as they sell them.

Yeah. There's a board game shop in Glendale, or I think it's Glendale, called Game House. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can get a monthly membership. It's like 40 bucks, but you can rent any games that you want for however long you want to. And I'm like, normally you would go there and play the games there, but right now they're doing it. All right, we've gotten off topic.

Sorry. It was my fault. It was my fault. Kelly, what were you thinking talking about board games in the middle of a family? I'm so sorry. Meredith, before we go, I gave you an Instagram handle at Meredith Koop. That's M-E-R-E-D-I-T-H-K-O-O-P.

Is there anything else you'd like to promote or anything like that? No, I don't have anything to promote, really. Well, have you heard of Michelle Obama? Oh, yeah. Well, she doesn't need promotion either. Help me. Help me get ahead in life how does a billionaire get in contact with you if they want to dress nice

oh they can go to my instagram and they can find my email and they can email me i mean i may or may not work with them it kind of depends but um wait can i ask a question before I leave ask as many as you want because Kelly you said that was it your mom worked at the White House oh yeah my mom did work at the White House what did she do there she planned parties so she was there when

Clinton was in office she was in the social secretary's office sure I was in second and third grade when we lived in Virginia. So we lived there. She drove out to the White House. And I just remember that every single time any family member came to visit us, we had to do a tour of the White House because that was what we did. And I swear to God, if I saw the inside of that house one more fucking time, I was going to go nuts.

Did you get a picture with the Clintons? Do you have like a picture? I don't think I did. We had sex, but we never got a picture. Oh, that's the way you went. I was about to do a bad joke. I was lucky you weren't eating. Yeah, specifically with Hillary, I meant we had sex.

No, come on, Kelly. Ring it in. Write it in. Did you get a photo or not? I don't think I have a picture with Bill Clinton. You don't think? I'm pretty sure I don't. I don't recall one.

You would probably know. Yeah, you'd remember. Ask your mum. There's no picture framed anywhere. I don't. I don't recall one. You would probably know. Yeah, you'd remember. Ask your mom. There's no picture framed anywhere. I know that. Being a party designer, though, that's the stylist of a room. Yeah. You must obviously have been in the White House tons, too, then.

Right, Meredith? Yeah, I mean, I was there. Probably every day. Every day. Yeah, a lot. A lot. For a lot of years that's pretty cool i mean you probably got to go in some rooms that people don't normally get get to go in as well i was like yeah yeah yeah

no it's it's cool it's interesting it's a really interesting place which is why i want to know where kelly because i was thinking there's so many jobs there that people don't realize or don't you know know about necessarily so i was was just interested where her family was. My uncle used to work there. He was in charge of Pez. Pez? Yeah, he just kept the stock. He was just the Pez guy?

He worked there during the Reagan administration, and everyone says that Reagan liked jelly bellies, and he did, but he was quite fond of Pez. And he'd have different presidential heads on his table. He'd go, well, well, here's a Pez. He'd say that all the time. That's your Reagan impression? Well, well.

Do you know our studio is next door to the church where Ronald Reagan was married? Oh, yeah, right there. Right next door to us. Wait, he was married there? That little tiny church right there. Ronald Reagan was married in that little tiny church. Holy shit, I love that little church. Yeah, yeah.

And Studio City was married. I don't believe in God, but I love that little church. Yeah. And Studio City was married in it. I don't believe in God but I love that little church. To Nancy, yeah. Nancy was not, I just watched the Reagan documentary because they have pictures of him up in the church.

You can go see it. But Nancy was, I think Nancy was knocked up, right? And I think it was a bit of a shotgun wedding. And I think this Studio City was where all the actors lived.

They were both still actors at the time and this is where all the studio stars lived in this suburb and that was the little church they just walked both still actors at the time, and this is where all the studio stars lived in this suburb, and that was the little church. They just walked down the road and did it. So that's where the Reagans were married was next door to this building.

I did not know that. Dinner party family. I do like that. Cheers. All right. All right. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. I feel enlightened.

Thank you. Well, look, if you're ever at a party and someone goes, Flairs are back in. Go, well, I don't know about that. Then walk off in your lime green outfit. With your bucket hat. Lime green is actually kind of hot, so. Not on me. It's good.

It's not on me. Yeah, I can't see that being me. I like slimming colors like black and black's good. Dark black. Dark rooms. You're not a trend guy. You need like, okay, I got my bucket hat. I got my black t-shirt with a cut out shoulder.

I got my weird jeans on with the weird flares. Like that's you. I'll tell you another thing. I know we met in the podcast. I'll tell you another fashion thing that one company owns and no other company comes close is Burberry and trench coats. They just, and they just reinvent the trend because my ex,

she always wanted a Burberry trench coat. And when I had her first bit of success, I went and bought her a Burberry trench coat. And then I bought myself one and I have a black Burberry trench coat that I've never worn. It hangs in the wardrobe that one day when it's raining at the right amount, I'm going to walk out and look like a detective. It rains so infrequently here that when it does, you're just like,

yeah, I'm just not going to leave today. That's really what happens. There's a little bit of flair in it. If you pop the collar of this trench coat, it's got silver studs all through it. At the time, I thought that was cool, but I keep that folded down. Gotta hide the studs. I think Meredith was trying to help you. She was saying you need to go with

a look. You need a look. Espadrilles, bucket hat. I have one more White House question. A signature look. What's your White House question, Jack? Did you ever use the bowling alley in more White House question. A signature look. Yeah, what's your White House question? Did you ever use the bowling alley in the White House? I never used it.

I saw it. I didn't know there was a bowling alley in there. It's in the EEOB. So the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, which is like that big building kind of adjacent. Yeah, it's there. Damn, Bill never took me there. It's fucked up, dude.

This is fucked up. Trump, I'd love to watch Trump bowl. It'd be like when Fred Flintstone does it. He does a little thing. And then they go, all right, that's a 7-10 split. Big news. Strike. Strike.

He always goes and additionally changes. All right, you want to end the podcast again? All right. If you're ever in the bowling alley at the White House and you say, I like those shoes, you go, I don't know about that. Anyway, good night, Australia. Good night. Good night. those shoes you go I don't know about that anyway goodnight Australia