I Don't Know About That - Food Sovereignty

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Lydia Parker has a degree in History from Oregon State University. She is the founder and former Executive Director of Hunters of Color, a nonprofit connecting People of Color to the outdoors. She was appointed to the Department of the Interior's "Hunting and Wildlife Conservation Council" and is an awarded speaker on issues of environmental policy and Indigenous rights. She is an enrolled member of the Walker-Mohawk band of Six Nations of the Grand River. Nonprofit "Hunters of Color," @huntersofcolor on Instagram; www.huntersofcolor.org The Doohickey’s new single is now streaming: https://FortyBelowRecs.lnk.to/RIIC ADS: LITTER ROBOT: Whisker is currently offering $50 off Litter-Robot bundles. As a special offer to listeners of the show, go to stopscooping.com/IDKAT and use promo code IDKAT to save an ADDITIONAL $50 on any Litter-Robot bundle. BETTERHELP: Visit http://www.BetterHelp.com /IDK today to get 10% off your first month.   Follow Us:  Jim Jefferies Website: https://www.jimjefferies.com IG: https://www.instagram.com/jimjefferies FB: https://www.facebook.com/JimJefferies Twitter: https://twitter.com/jimjefferies   Forrest Shaw Website: http://www.forrestshaw.net IG: https://www.instagram.com/forrestshaw Twitter: https://twitter.com/forrestshaw   Jack Hackett IG: https://www.instagram.com/Jack_hackett The Doohickeys: https://www.instagram.com/the.doohickeys

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I think there is a nail pick. You think there's a nail pick? You know, when you... You've got a file that has a little bit on the end that you can scrape this stuff out. No, the clippers sometimes have the thing you can roll out. But I don't think they call it a nail pick. Isn't that what that's for? I don't know, actually.

It's a good question. Yeah. Ear pick sounds dangerous. It's just a Q-tip. Yeah, that's a soft. Q-tips not to be used in your ears. You know when they say that? Don't use these in your ears.

Then what are we using them for? Oh, yeah, these things. What's the fucking point of these cunts if not for my ears? It's like gasoline. Do not put this in your car. Okay. There's nail picks that obviously you know manicurists use them they have uh i don't like people fucking around with my nails i don't

like manicures i just cut myself ear pick before i had any teeth fixed i um i used to bite me nails brilliantly yeah and i always used to just rip my toenails off with my fingers. I've stopped doing them. What? I don't know. I was an animal. Do you get pedicures? No.

Never? No. They're very nice. You love having people touch your feet. You fucking love it. No, no, no, no. I've never met a person who's more into having foot massages than you. You're just like, even in jokes, you think that the whole world's like you.

You're like this. Hey, women, all you gotta do is give us a sandwich and massage our feet. My wife hasn't massaged my feet ever. I won't massage her. And I won't massage hers.

Huh? Have you ever gotten your foot massaged? No, but I remember you were, I lost a bet and I was going to give you a foot massage. Yeah, that's the whole thing.

That's all he wants. I didn't make that up though. Kelly made that up. That's all he wants. It's all he wants. I didn't make that up, though. Kelly made that up. That's all he wants. It's all he wants in the whole world. He wants his feet being rubbed at all times. We're going to the Dodgers today. We're going to the Dodgers today and I can employ a little person to go under the table

and massage his feet while he's watching the game. Great. Yeah, he'd be over the moon. So you've never done a thing where you put your foot on like a massager thing? I've had feet massages, but I haven't had, I don't like when they push the Q-tips down and I don't like my nails. I don't like my nails being touched. But you also, you, okay.

The pedicure isn't like, it's just, it makes your feet like clean. Do you want to see some supple ass feet? I'll show you my feet. They're supple? My feet haven't done a hard day's work in their entire life. See, I worked a lot on boats and it was always exposed to elements. If I spoon my wife and her foot touches my calf, I need a Band-Aid. She needs pedicures.

She can't go anymore because the ladies all just go, oh, have you seen? And they all rush over. They all rush over to look at it, and she just sort of sits there. Yeah, I apologize. Whenever I get a pedicure, I'm always like, sorry. It's been a while. I don't go a lot.

I usually go when I'm in Vegas because you're in the hotel, and you're just like, I'm going to get a pedicure. But it's not something I do a lot. No. But I enjoy it. When I do it, I'm like, I should do this all the time, and then I don't. Yeah, but you can't fit it in.

What with all the time. And then I don't. So yeah, but you can't fit it in with what? With all the foot massages. I've had a foot massage in like years. I reckon, do you have one? Have you ever owned one of those little hot tubs for your feet? Where you put them in the water? No, I would love one though. I would like one.

Christmas is coming up. Christmas is coming up. I'm going to get you're talking about. I would love one though, yeah. I would like one. Yeah, you'd like one? Christmas is coming up. Christmas is coming up. I'm going to get you a foot bath. Yeah, I'm in. I'm going to get you a foot hot tub. And I'm not going to get you a cheap one. Yeah. I'm going to get you the fucking Rolls Royce fucking foot bath.

When I come to visit you and you're watching TV, I want you to be fucking here. It's a foot bath massager? Get me the most expensive one you can. None of them are over $130. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But if there's one for like $400, that's the one you can find none of them are over 130 bucks yeah that's what i'm saying but if there's one for like 400 bucks that's the one you're getting oh this one looks pretty good it's got a little ball little things that vibrate yeah this one looks like an old apple barrel i don't want that one yeah i found one for 1200 bucks i'm not going that expensive the optimum detox all right let me look at this oh there's one that's a chair that's seven

grand no that's a chair it's just a foot but it has to be a separate bit oh yeah i see the 1200 winner i don't know how this one so this looks like a like a that looks like an amplifier that looks like it's made by by moran no no no i'm not That one has batteries and stuff. They have to put it in there. It has to be one that's all in one with a dial, maybe a remote on a cord. There's a couple of features, and it can deliver more current.

There's one called the Footsie Bath. About $400. All right, yeah. I think you hook that up to a bath, and it does something. Yeah, you're not getting it. One that's simple, one that he can take on the road does something. Yeah, you're not getting... One that's simple. One that he can take on the road with him. Ooh, this one's 700 bucks.

The Continuum Footspa. Let me see the Continuum Footspa. Oh, yeah. Ooh. It's got wheels. Oh, you can take different colors. Oh, no. I think, though, that one's at a pedicure level.

That one that you would have at an industrial business. That's what he needs. No, no. A home one. All right. I'll be happy with whatever you get me. You know the one. It's white.

It has two feet holes. How about the rocket submarine foot bath? I'll be happy with whatever you get me. All right. A foot bath. Yeah. And Forrest can sit back with his foot bath. Foot massages.

Whenever I see a new girl that Forrest is having sex with I think of the things he had to have done with his feet to get to that stage nothing I'm not dissing your penis did I call you naked one time Jack was that yeah you called me

I said I was naked I'm getting my foot massaged I'm like why are you calling me this is really weird I had to tell you something about the podcast I don't know I don't think there's any information other than

by the way speaking of our podcast everybody this episode starting this episode we will be going every other week until October. So for July, August and September, we will be on every other week. So I'm sure people won't hear this and they will write in the comments, where is the podcast?

But Jim and myself, we're going to be gone for a long time. I'm touring Australia. We're getting as many in as we can before Jim leaves and then I leave. But we're definitely going to have one every other week leading up until October. But we do as many episodes as we can. We're jamming as many as we can before he leaves.

We've put as many in as we can. We're doing like two, three a week right now to get it done. Forrest is starting another podcast called The Footsie 100. What happens to that one? Isn't that the stock market? The footsie. The footsie. What's that thing? You've got the Dow Jones and The FTSE. The FTSE. What's that thing?

You've got the Dow Jones and then you've got the FTSE 100. Stock exchange. What's the FTSE? It's pronounced like FTSE. FTSE stock. Let's see. What the fuck is that? FTSE?

Yeah, the FTSE. FTSE is one of the big ones. The Dow Jones, the FTSE. I'll do that podcast. Financial Times Stock Exchange. Yeah, the FTSE. I'll do that podcast. Financial Times Stock Exchange. Yeah, the FTSE 100. Is it called 100? Probably.

It's 100. Yeah. FTSE 100. The FTSE 100. Okay. That's a good name for a podcast. Good pull then. But our podcast, I don't know about that, will be going every other week starting after

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I'm going to have to spare that mic. Oh, man. Jesus Christ. With the magical thing. It's not nice at all. Aaron, do you have backup mics? Got my shirt. Don't tell them, Aaron.

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Oh, we love these guys. It's a great video. Please check it out. Right. I'm done with this. Let's do the topic. Okay. Please welcome our guest, Lydia Parker.

G'day, Lydia. Now it's time to play. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Judging a book by its cover. Okay.

Well, Lydia's wearing that T-shirt to obviously stir me up. Yeah. That's a very obvious thing. How many, she's wearing a Johnny Cash giving the finger T-shirt, which is a classic T-shirt that a lot of people wear. It's up there with people who wear a lot of Ramones T-shirts. Yeah, I have Ramones. I have Ramones T-shirt, but I have Ramones albums.

I don't mind the Ramones, but I don't really care about them either. I like the Ramones but I have Ramones albums I don't mind the Ramones but I don't really care about them either I like the Ramones I'll put the Ramones no one no one kicks harder for a minute 40 than the Ramones

their songs are a minute minute 30 minute 45 and they fucking they kick they're bangers they're over before

you know it's like being fucked really quickly by a premature ejaculator who's excellent at sex. Lydia said she could do it. We're not doing Johnny Cash, but she did say she would do it,

I think, just to... How many albums do you own? Did you send the T-shirt? I'll show you. He might come up in this topic. It's a surprise for us, but he might come up once in this topic. You have what I would only say is a cultural appropriation stick in your background. I don't know what culture, but I know it's not from you.

You don't know that? Oh, boom shakalaka. You're a Native American Indian. Jesus. Why did you say all those words? You said extra words. Also very like, yeah. Is that what we're doing?

We're not talking. Well, it will be involved in this conversation. You're not going to guess it. I said it's not American Indians. Well, I think we're going to talk about indigenous people for sure. The earrings as well. I've gotten right in there. If she wasn't, she really would be culturally appropriating.

I'm doing the full magnet pi today i'm culturally appropriating americans um it's about food but something specifically to food but again you're not going to guess it uh i um is it is it native american food which i i know is called maize not cool lydia do you have an answer for that is it may no it's not it's not maze no um i don't think he's gonna get very close though for us no give me a hint give me a hint give me a hint um you're just not gonna it's um stop telling me what i'm not gonna do yeah uh so it's like if you were something this is i don't know if't know if it would be like a movement, but there's a lot of people that would like this to happen because they think we're too reliant.

I'm not going to give away an answer to a question if I tell you what it is. I can give a hint. Yeah, you do. My cultural appropriation tool that's actually from my culture is a bow, like a bow and arrow. That's a stick. I don't want to tell you about your culture and how that's not a that's a stick i don't i don't i don't want to tell you about your culture and how things work that's a straight stick i don't think it has this i don't think it has oh if it had the thing that made it bend the string and then the yeah

if it had the string then it would be something could double up as a musical instrument so what would you use a bow and arrow for uh hunting yeah we're talking sort of about that yeah hunting buffaloes i go back and forth sometimes i just hate people who hunt and then sometimes i'm like it's better than the it's better than the bloody industry the meat industry where they're putting bolts in people's heads and they're eating fucking mazes you put bolts in people's and instead of eating you know the in the the cows oh and a cow yeah yeah but if you've ever driven if you've ever driven through one of those cow fields in America, which is brown dirt and there's just cows everywhere,

it's as sad as viewers. Yeah, yeah, between here and San Francisco. Oh, my God. It's disgusting, right? And it's like, I believe that animals should be eating grass, and then they go, well, it costs more, then make us fucking pay more. Here we go. We're talking today about food sovereignty.

Okay? Okay. Yeah, I didn't think you were going to guess that. I'll introduce Lydia Parker. Lydia Parker has a degree in history from Oregon State University. She is the founder and former executive director of Hunters of Color, a nonprofit connecting people of color to the outdoors. Oh, there was a worse movement, the same name,

but it had people of in the middle of the sentence. Terrible thing back in the day of the sentence okay terrible thing back in there back in the day it's not getting to that she was people are cold bloody terrible foundation she was glad they're all but gone she was appointed to the department of the interiors hunting and wildlife conservation council and is an awarded speaker on the issues environmental policy and indigenous rights she is an enrolled member of the walker mohawk band of six nations of the grand river and please if you want to find out more about this topic or more about her uh non-profit is hunters of color and you can find them at hunters of color on instagram or their website

hunters of color.org thanks for being here lydia now i thank you so much for having me. I like to ask this to people. I like this. So the term Indian is out of fashion, right? We're like Native American is what we say, or is there something? Because I know the Canadians like to be called Inuits. What's the official term now? What should we say? Well, Inuits are a specific group of people in Western Canada.

My tribe is actually in Canada. We're originally from New York in the northeastern U.S., but we got pushed Western Canada. I'm actually, my tribe is actually in Canada. We're originally from New York and the Northeastern US, but we got pushed into Canada. We sided with the British during the Revolutionary War and that didn't work out so well for us. So we got kicked into Canada and we're actually the first tribe to ever have a reservation, the Six Nations of the Grand River Reservation, where my family's from. But I was going to get into that too because i saw your show in vegas um this on my birthday this march and uh you you said something about your wife you're like my wife is indian the real kind and i was like hey because i have a lot of friends i have a lot of friends that only go by ind. They're like, don't say indigenous. It's too PC.

I'm not Native American because we were here before America. We're Indians. And I have a lot of friends that are only, you know, would only call themselves Indian. I say indigenous because I work in government and nonprofit space. So that is the fashionable term. But everything goes out of fashion and fashion every once in a while. I thought Indian was the bad term. American Indian. go ahead i thought indian was the bad term i thought that was because they said they looked like people from india and then obviously they thought they were going

they don't i thought they thought they're going oh i thought it was a look yeah columbus thought he was going around the globe the other way so when he hit here he's like we hit india we hit india oh i thought it was because everyone was brown people so they were just they were just being generalized you know in a probably a mix of that too oh i don't know what to say i don't know what to say hello no i want to get the right term i want to get the right term i want to be right i want to be the right side of history i want to get the right term and this has just confused me more i'm trying to do the right thing and now i'm in more a worse state than i was before i can help you the the i was telling forrest earlier i think that you're an empathetic person i like that you want to be to say the right thing and don't want to hurt

people's feelings um so the best thing you can do in that situation is ask the individual person um and so i like i'm saying i say indigenous um i say native a lot too um either of those are gonna be fine you might secretly get some american indian eye rolls you might get some people that are like all right this guy's super pc um calling us indigenous instead of american indian but it gets so confusing to say Indian because like you're I mean like you're talking about your wife or because that's Indian American and we're American Indian so it's yeah that's I think because of the confusion more than anything we can throw out the Indian word although we talk about Indian country I'm Mohawk Indian so I don't know it's the whole good luck she's Indian British too not Good luck. She's Indian-British, too. Not even Indian-American. She's Indian-British.

No, no, no. American. No, she's... She's Indian-English. Indian-English-American. Doesn't she live here now? But she's only got a green card. So she's...

Kicked out at any moment. At any moment. Temporary American. Temporary English-Indian-American. Australian. There you go. Yeah. She's married an Australian.

Does she have a passport? No, but she will eventually when we retire in Australia. Yeah. Okay, well, I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about food sovereignty, and at the end of him answering those, Lydia, you're going to grade him on his accuracy, zero through ten. Ten's the best those lydia you're going to grade him on his accuracy zero through 10 10 is the best and jack here's going to grade him on confidence i'm going to grade him on how hungry i am and then we'll add those all together and 21

through 30 food sovereignty you don't even know what that means i think i slightly know i think i slightly know what this topic i think you might know and i think we have the same issue going on in australia okay and i might be wrong that's a 20 food sergeant zero through 10 year food cuck and that's not the sovereignty we're talking about it's okay what is food sovereignty i believe and i might be way off here um but i believe food sovereignty is that uh native people um have slightly different rules on what they're allowed to hunt next to everybody else because of the sovereignty of their being. It's part of their heritage and their culture that they hunt in a certain way with certain weapons

and they can hunt certain animals. And I might be way off, and this is the problem with this podcast, is because you can sound super ignorant, right? That's how we're learning. I don't think about this all the time, but I believe that there are certain animals that the aboriginals are allowed to hunt that other australians are not okay but i might be wrong what is a food desert uh um a food i think you pronounced that wrong. It's a cake. Yeah.

Creme brulee. Yeah, yeah. There's so many of them. We could do a whole podcast, not just a show, but like a whole show on desserts. No, I'm saying it right. What is a food desert? If you have a keen eye, you'll understand that it's not a desert, that natives can live off the land, that the desert is teeming with food.

Yeah. I don't think you're doing well so far. With which he grabs me. His confidence is great, though. Yeah, yeah. What role do indigenous peoples play in the food sovereignty movement? It's a movement now. I believe they're at the forefront of the movement.

Both through actions and words yep i believe that many many great and too many to name right now but i know the names yeah many yeah indigenous leaders have written many many books and and whatnot. Whatnot? A lot of whatnot. And pamphlets about food sovereignty. So, forefront and pamphlets. How many Indian nations are there in the United States? I just said Indian.

There's a lot, right? So, saying like an American Indian or a Native American, this is where the problem is. We've got to pick a word. But the Native Americans and the American, saying, like, an American Indian or a Native American is... This is what the problem is. We've got to pick a word, right? But the Native Americans and the American Indians saying, oh, these people are like that, which is what racism always starts off with. These...

Generalisation. These people are like that. A simile, yeah. It's very weird because, like, a West Coast Indian versus an East Coast Indian would have different languages and everything, completely different culture, maybe even different gods and all that type of stuff, right?

Completely social. Even to this day, East and West Coast people were a bit different and we have the internet. So imagine it without the internet. In Australia, I know the Aboriginals, I believe, had 100 different languages because of all the different groupings and, you know, 100 different languages around Australia.

How many? No, no, so I'm just calculating. So we're talking a landmass that's the same as Australia. I'm going to say that 100 is a good guess there. 100, okay. But I do know that when you, the tribes the big names like i like we're talking like smaller tribes smaller bands the doohickeys whatnot right we're not talking the rolling stones right right the navajo right the the other casinos i play the a-list right all

those ones right now i i uh i when you do your citizenship test they ask you to name in one of the questions was name three tribes and i did it what'd you know i can't do it now okay you studied then all right what got the information threw it out of me head again what all right maybe i'll get some more this time what is the dingle johnson act uh dingle johnson yeah dingle johnson um he was the man the politician he doesn't sound like an indian dingle johnson dingle johnson sounds like if he was an indian fellow he was adopted by someone called johnson are we sure it's pronounced dingle uh his middle name is berry yeah it is yeah his full name is dingleberry johnson or or as it said in native american dingleberry dick because they changed the johnson to be pc but that means you think this person is dingleberry dick okay so dingleberry dick the act dingleberry dick was the first person to say, hey, we should have food sovereignty, and then they did it for him.

He was the first. He took it into the courts and talked about, like, you know, his feelings on the matter, and everyone went, good work, Dingleberry Dick. All right, I'm skipping this. We'll get back to this. No, I want that question. Whatever that question is, that's all right.

It's not. I'm just getting to one. I want it more than any other one. How does food sovereignty address environmental sustainability? Very well, thank you. Okay. What is wildlife conservation and how is it funded? Well, through the Conservation Act.

Yeah. The Conservation Act. A lot of the wildlife and the parks came from, I believe it was Roosevelt. The president? Yeah, Roosevelt was the one who brought in the the the we're gonna have which roosevelt uh the the later one not the teddy bear one the one after one right and not theodore the other one yeah so he he started a lot of the he started off like we can't build properties the the the country owns these national parks, Yellowstone, Jelly Bean,

and all these different ones. And so they own all the different- Do they fund it? The government funds it? It's a bit of funding. It's a bit of that. It's also- Like they just give it money?

It's also if you visit these parks, they have little boxes where you can put a dollar in or just a few. That helps. It can't hurt, right? and so animal conservation is very simple it's like there's certain animals we're not allowed to kill because we have to conserve them for future generations and for themselves because if we don't conserve these animals they will go extinct and animal conservation is all around the world it's not a thing that's unique to america and i know there's countries without it but in lots of countries we have conservation for animals here's an easy one what is public land the yellowstone or these these parks these these these things that are owned like

central central that's a national park central park central park is a public park yeah okay public park public land i mean public land The public, it's for the public. What does that mean? Like, so it means... It's for the public to be used. It's for us to go and we can have a little barbecue in there and no one, no Karen can tell me otherwise. What role do indigenous people play in environmental sustainability?

What role do they play? Yeah. Like in a play? No, no. In the real world. I think they're the lead in the real world i'm gonna say mcbeth no um what role do they play um well they're always going on about it aren't they you know whenever you see him talking about it right whenever you see whenever you see like a native american talk it's very rare they're chatting about anything else except for, like, eagles and conservation.

It's all about racism. No, no, no. These are good things they're talking about. On the telly, on the telly, on the telly. In private, I'm sure they have other chats. But if there's one on camera. It's only about eagles? There's going to be eagles.

There's going to be. I can't picture the eagle one there's gonna be conservation the land and how important the land is and how we should have the land so they're the spokespeople yeah they're spokespeople okay which u.s agencies oversee hunting and fishing laws um that's the park and rec type of people park and rec park and rec a couple agencies there's a there's probably i reckon there would be there would be the fishing um there would be there would probably be fishing 50 different government bodies close fishing and fishing and whatnot and whatnot so

close all right uh fishing and and and hunting okay what are wanton waste laws? The full term is wanton, want not. Yeah. Right? Waste laws. So you want something, don't waste it. Waste not, want not. That's the term. Laws.

Laws. What does it mean? Well, waste not, want not. If you waste something, you'll want it later on. Yeah. Right? You're probably close on this. Yeah. If you waste something, you'll want it later on. You're probably close on that. If you weigh something, you'll want it.

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Because the outfits they're wearing, you can't tell what they are, especially if they've done the face paint. Yeah, they look like a tree today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to say they identify as green and shrubbery. Give me a percentage of hunters that identify as people of color. 32%.

What weapons can be used to hunt in the US? Crossbow. All guns. Basically percent um what weapons can be used to hunt in the u.s um crossbow all guns basically all guns like if you have semi or all guns uh crossbow all guns are you allowed to throw a spear these days i don't know seems fine i reckon if you're allowed in crossbows and guns i'm gonna throw spears into the mirror okay i reckon if there's an aboriginalbows and guns, I'm going to throw spears into the mix. Spear, okay. I reckon if there's an Aboriginal fella on holiday, boomerangs, no one would stop him. I don't know, he's hunting.

He's just having fun. It's a holiday. Yeah, he's come out here. He's sick and tired of hunting kangaroos, and he's come out here, and he's going to fucking hit an elk in the head. Okay. So we got that as well.

You'd be allowed to throw a shoe at one, wouldn't you? Shoe, okay. Shoe, shoe horns. Shoe, shoe horn. Bricks. Bricks. To finish an animal off that was really wounded. Okay.

Just keep a brick in your- A shoe horn's not really a weapon, but- Not the way he uses it. You don't know what I'm hunting. He uses all the animals. ever smashed a frog in the head with a shoehorn no well well you're hunting you're not a hunter okay all right last question hooks hooks on the end of water okay oh fishy yeah you got a stick and you got a bit of string and you got a hook. Okay.

They're allowed in as well. Last question. Nets. Nets. Nets are good. We're good. Nets to suffocate. And I assume so that, so all plastic bags, which.

You're suffocating with a net? Yeah, because you take the fish out of the water. It suffocates. You suffocate. Yeah. And then a plastic bag with no holds in it is the net of the land where you can just shove it over like a giraffe's head and then just that you need a plastic bag and a ladder the net of the land all right make sure you clip that one

out for the clip all right i did mark this all right how can consumers support food sovereignty is your last question how can you as a consumer support food sovereignty oh eat endangered species yeah that way people no okay don't eat endangered species don't eat endangered species don't do it uh eat beyond meat eat beyond meat all right lydia how did jim do on his knowledge of food sovereignty zero through ten ten's the best you say like a 4. There were some that you hit the nail on the head, and I was so impressed, and then you said things like throw a shoe, and I had to minus a couple points.

I got a 4. A 4's way better than I thought you were going to do on that. I can't believe that shoe's the sticking point. Bowling balls. Line up a whole lot of ducks. I think I once hit a duck with a golf ball does that count? am I a hunter?

you are how did you do on confidence? it was in my hand I just smashed it oh my god you wanna quack at me motherfucker? his confidence is obviously a 10. Yeah, it's through the roof today.

It's a 14. Minus 10, food cook. I'm not hungry. That's because me and Forrest are going to sit in the all-you-can-eat section at the Dodgers today. I am hungry. I didn't eat anything. I haven't eaten anything because I'm getting value for money up in that segment. Seven Dodger dogs. We're going gonna be sitting right on the on the wall you're gonna see me bloody

catch a fucking a grand slam and a hot hot dog bun all right lydia um i asked him what is food sovereignty he said native people have slightly different rules about what they can hunt versus what non-natives can do is that correct in any way or yeah um so he kind of hit the nail on the head there too niall that's another thing you can hunt with niall and a hammer maybe in a nail gun um uh i didn't really do my like little spiel that some people do at the beginning about it but did you want me to skip that no no please tell us what food sovereignty is so that that because i don't think what people know i don't know really you know and we've been talking about it yeah okay so um jim actually uh talked about it from the perspective that i was going to bring today

because food sovereignty from like a dictionary definition is um the consumer's ability to manage production of the food that they're eating um but what jim was talking about was because he saw my earrings uh from more of an indigenous perspective uh or he specifically talked about from an aboriginal perspective um which is true there are definitely different laws when it comes to hunting and fishing i don't can't speak to ones in australia um but for me uh as a mohawk person um the it's more about the relationship with the land and being able to feed ourselves well to know that we can exist and sustain beyond the collapse of civilization, which could happen any day now. And being able to pass on the knowledge. It's called traditional ecological knowledge.

um the knowledge it's called traditional ecological knowledge um and so that was kind of gonna be my spiel because i should talk about why i founded the organization or move on this is good keep talking okay so i i uh was diagnosed with pre-diabetes a few years about like 10 years ago and um unfortunately that's something that's super common amongst indigenous peoples any kind of hunter-gatherer societies you see higher numbers of diabetes pre-diabetes that kind of thing and so um i was trying to figure out what to eat i tried all the fad diets and nothing seemed to be working and so uh finally i had a doctor that was like hey here's the truth um our bodies all work differently and people with indigenous backgrounds process animal plants or animal proteins and plants and animal fats better than refined carbohydrates or processed food, which isn't good for any of us.

But it was like actually killing me. So I decided to be part of the solution and founded Hunters of Color, which is 501c3 nonprofit, working to get people of color to hunting, fishing, and conservation for the sake of food sovereignty. Also, connection to the land, because my family's been hunting on the continent called North America for millennia now. And so, it's just a way that we keep that tradition alive, and also how we can make sure that we're eating things other than fry bread and commodity cheese on reservation. So am I right in saying that, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, that it's an evolutionary thing because your culture wasn't exposed to refined bread and things like that? And that's why. Yeah. So, yeah, I just didn't want to.

so yeah i just didn't want to you know and also and also there's because there's the same argument with like in a in australia and with the indigenous people with alcohol problems and issues in the culture that europeans have been drinking for a lot longer but you've even said like coming from australia yeah because you ate certain things growing up just in australia even if they were processed and true but like there's certain things you think in america have affected you there's msg i didn't know i had such a violent reaction to msg because msg is illegal in australia and i had some chinese food that had my twitching and stuff like that like after after i ate it and now i haven't had that for a while i think i've become american when i first came here I was having

I couldn't eat I couldn't eat a lot of Chinese food I had to check have you got this you got this and like but the MSG was really of course you're not

I mean I'm not saying but I am comparing it to like the same thing because you're coming from an island where you you were used to eating even if it was still processed

food and stuff a certain thing and then you come to another culture where there's all these things being put into your body that you're not used to. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm over speaking on that, but it seems like.

No, but it is a generator. The alcohol and the food and the thing and the processing and all that type of stuff, it's the same, and this is the same reason that a lot of Asian people are lactose intolerant because they had no dairy, and now we're giving them cheeseburgers out the fucking wazoo if you're over there. They've got dairy going on. Enjoy dairy yeah yeah they've got buddy they've got soft serve ice cream coming out they know what they're doing but they didn't they didn't just about 20 years ago they had nothing i know we talked about that one of our other episodes i remember about why

they were lactose overall lactose intolerant yeah uh do you have chickens outside your window oh my god did you see them? I'm so sorry. Why are you sorry? I was like, are those chickens? How did you catch that? You know, chickens move a certain way. Daru Hunt run with a hammer and an aisle. And a shoehorn.

They walk with their necks going even though it's bright in that window. I can see them. We have chickens. What is a food desert? Jim said it's a cake. If you have a keen eye, it's not a desert. What? Natives can live off the land.

What? I don't know what he did there. Yeah. There was a TV show called Russell Coit back in the day, which was like a guy with the bush. There was a guy called the Bush Tucker Man in Australia. Oh, you mean Australia, yeah. In Australia, there was a guy called the Bush Tucker Man.

He was an ex-SAS, which is like our SEAL team type of thing, and he used to just sort of go out into the bush with a camera he's like uh bear girls but he just lived off the land he goes but he'd always say this he'd see like a field of desert and he goes now to the naked eye you might see not much food here but me or a native fella where you can see that this is just teeming with food and then a a very funny comic, Glenn Robbins, did a version of that called Russell Coit, but that was what I was doing, if anyone was playing homage to Russell Coit and the desert and how it's teeming with food. But I'm sure you have an actual answer.

What is a food desert, Lydia? Yeah, no, that was good, though. I gave you a point. It wasn't the answer, but I gave you a point because it's true. Indigenous peoples are very good at making the most of the food and having a relationship with the land and seeing, you know, what can actually be turned into food that other folks might not be able to do. But another dictionary definition of it is a lack of nutritious, affordable, and plentiful food. And so that happens often in city centers, but most most commonly and what I'm referring to is

on reservations you mentioned Inuit's gym and I've had friends who live up there that send me pictures of a carton of eggs costing like nearly $20 and a gallon of milk being $12 and things like that and so it's it's a desert where you can't find, or is that the same as LA? Are you laughing? No, I just don't know. I was being an asshole. I was being an asshole. But yeah, so that's what I was talking about. And then, of course, the goal of food sovereignty is to be able to break through relying on these colonial systems, really, of grocery stores, being able to garden and hunt and fish for your food instead. Or just having your own chickens.

Exactly. I don't eat these ones. They're my friends. So I got, yeah, I got a mate who lives down the road from me, Todd. We all know Todd Beerman, right? Yeah. The director. I think he said this last podcast.

I don't know. Maybe it was a couple. Well, yeah. It was referenced. Yeah. He has eggs. My wife's a vegan, but she will eat eggs if they're from a chicken that she knows that's free range so so uh he brings over eggs every now and again to the house and my wife gets very

excited because she can eat eggs because they're from chickens that she's held and patted and stuff like that and i love that occasionally i'll just buy regular eggs for her because i want to cook something and say that i've been over at todd's house you put them on a paper bag and i put them in a paper bag oh no well if they're white i love that and you know what's brewing about it this just proves that my wife never listens to my podcast i'm not i'm not sure that i'm not going to get in trouble you definitely said that it wasn't the last i don't know what order it's not out yet yeah yeah she hasn't had the chance to hear i've said it in a recent podcast you're risking it- I double up on me things I say.

I do so many podcasts, I just say what I- Eventually, Becca's going to tell her. Becca won't. Becca's on my team. I get the free range eggs. I don't get a shit. I don't get a shit eggs. I get a good ones, but if a recipe needs it,

you feel like, how am I going to bring in an egg? I remember you guys made me go buy eggs once for whatever last minute recipe for a party, and I just bought the wrong eggs, and then the dish was not made. Oh, well, that wouldn't have been me. I. And I just bought the wrong eggs and then the dish was not made. Oh, well, that wouldn't have been me. I would have made it with the wrong eggs. But Larry David had a thing

where he's bringing his own eggs into the golf in the last season of Curb. And my wife was like, can you do that? She didn't see him as being like annoying in that scene. She just saw that as an opportunity. Are people doing that? They're not. No. Were you done with the food desert? I'm sorry, Lydia. in that scene. She just saw that as an opportunity. Are people doing that? They're not.

Were you done with the food desert? I'm sorry, Lydia. I was just going to say, I appreciate that. People often, when I say that I'm a hunter, people are like, oh, you must hate vegans. And I'm like, no, we're actually on a closer team than the factory farm people. Like Jim was mentioning earlier, it's awful to see how animals are treated in factory farms. and so to have like you're talking about your wife knowing the chickens it's that same kind of knowing that indigenous people have of the key species that we hunt our fish and so like the same I live in Oregon now and the salmon here are so just integral to the language culture calendar of the Klamath people for example here in northern

california and southern oregon and so it's the animals that we know that we have a relationship and an understanding with and that's why i um i prefer to hunt i don't i call myself hunter terrian i don't eat any factory farm meat um it's only if i'm going to eat meat it's something that i've procured myself or my fiancee is procured That's right, because I did a field piece that did, a table piece on the Jim Jefferies show about when that guy killed the lion in Africa and he hunted it down. And I still am very anti big game hunting

and people who just shoot animals for fun and putting their fucking head on your wall and that type of stuff. But I was, I have changed since then over the years that i do agree with you i used to hate all hunters i used to think all hunters were a bit and and in all fairness many of the hunters i've met in my life have been a complete nut of wankers um and and the outfit is always cuntish and anyone who's anyone who sits in a little fucking hedge going, with a fucking thing, I'm not going to get along with you. Right?

Right? But if you do eat all the animal, it is better than an animal that is put, like pigs who have to, I don't know where you can get some wild pigs, but pigs, they're a very intelligent animal, and they grow up in such a small space, and they just get fat, fat, and pounded full of fucking hormones. Oh, California? California.

Hawaii, they're definitely wild. But my friend, speaking of spears, my one friend, he had a crossbow. Okay, we're in the big island of Hawaii one time. He goes, I want to show you the land I bought. We're going to build a house. I go, all right. We drive out there, middle of the jungle, and he gets a crossbow, and he goes, there's a wild boar here that's been on the property, and he gets a crossbow and he goes there's

a wild boar here that's been on the property and he's pretty dangerous so i just got this out in case in case i scare him out i've got this crossbow and then he's gonna cook him and eat him so he goes into the brush and he hands me a spear like a game of thrones spear with a tip that is he goes if he comes this way get him him. Far as he would have been out riding. I have no experience with a spear whatsoever. I'm just sitting there with a spear. And I was like, please don't come this way. I will get killed by a wild boar. But I guess you could hunt him in Hawaii is my point.

No, I agree. If you're eating the whole thing. Now, I want to ask you, so you said you're part of the Tomahawk tribe? No, they're Mohawk. Mohawk, Mohawk, Mohawk, Mohawk. Sorry, Mohawk. I got hawk in there. There's probably another.

Yeah, that's good. But the Mohawks. So when the punk revolution happened in London and they were all wearing Mohawks, which was in the 80s, really, where they were all wearing Mohawks, very common. You can still see it around London to this day.

Did that upset you? Was that culture? When Mr. T... I wasn't alive. and mohawks very common still you can still see it around london to this day was did that up did that upset you was that culture when mr t wasn't alive okay rocky rocky three mr t would have you would have you said something so no so the we've been guiding we're from we're from we're from canada and i think that it's similar to more similar similar to how in New Zealand they kind of embrace the Maori culture. There's less sensitivity around cultural appropriation. Yeah, because that's... It's really different here. That's a great example because a lot of people don't know this, but the Maoris in New Zealand are revered.

Like they learn Maori culture in their school, the haka and stuff like that. Even like white New Zealanders will often get the haka and stuff like that. Even white New Zealanders will often get Maori tattoos and stuff like that. They're very popular over there. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the same kind of thing. So our most famous chief is Chief Joseph Brandt. I'm sure Jack or somebody, whoever's in charge of pulling up pictures, can pull up a picture.

But you'll see the Mohawk hair. And I've got one here. I have one actually. Yeah, that's the one. There we go. Mohawk warrior. But it's also the headdress that we had. The headdress was three feathers, not like the big plains headdress that you picture

that people wear to Coachella. It's the three feathers that looks like a Mohawk as well. So it kind of comes from both of those. And Mohawk actually isn't from our language. The language we speak is called Kanyagaha. And it's not from our language. We don't have the M sound in the language. And Mohawk actually means man eater. And it was given to us by the tribes. It was given to us by the local tribes who um thought of mohawks uh and other tribes that you're quite confederacy as kind of the intimidating you know don't mess with the mohawks um and if you if you're if you're a man from the mohawk tribe that's joseph brown

and uh and you get uh male pattern baldness uh that must be hard. My dad, my poor dad. Yeah, no hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's from the Larry David hawk. You said, I was listening to one of the IDCAP podcasts yesterday, and you were talking about Australian slaying, and you said like slap heads or something like that. Slap heads.

For bald people. Yeah, slap heads. Yeah, I was going to call my dad that. Yeah, fucking slap. That was more British. The British call them slap heads. people yeah slap heads yeah fucking slap that was more british the british call them slap heads yeah yeah the slap i think that comes from benny hill benny hill used to slap the little bald guy in the head like that all the time but slap head yeah what what role do indigenous peoples play in the food sovereignty movement jim said they're at the forefront at the

forefront both through actions and words right through actions and words. Both through actions and words. What other answer do you want me to give? What other answer? Honestly, what other answer is there? Is that the only answer, Lydia? Is that? They protest a bit. Yeah, they lag behind. They're carefree about us. Alright, nailed it. You got two points

for that answer. So, yeah, you get to guess what the other two points came from because I only gave you a four. You gave me a point just a minute ago for that answer. So, yeah, you get to guess what the other two points came from because I only gave you a four. No, you gave me a point just a minute ago for another one. Actually, you got to guess later on, I guess. You also got a couple of minus points. I said that. But anyways, yeah, traditional ecological knowledge, TEK, like I mentioned earlier, it's so interesting working in the conservation space because so many of the things that my family's been doing for thousands of years, just living in relationship with the land.

Modern science, Western science is starting to prove like things like prescribed burns or cultural fires, as they're called. There's proof now that all over the continent, indigenous peoples have been doing prescribed burns. Every four years here in Oregon, the Kalap peoples have been doing prescribed burns. Every four years here in Oregon, the Kalapuya peoples would do prescribed burns. And now modern science is like, hey, we should probably do this to mitigate fuel and hopefully help prevent as big of wildfires here in the West. And it's just, it's traditional knowledge that's been passed down from generation to generation, only now being corroborated by Western science. And that's part of the... Australia's been doing controlled burns my whole life and many, many years before.

You're saying only now because we've culturally been doing... Because we're the bushfire capital of the world. We have the biggest fires, but we do control burns all the time. California Bandit. And I'm sure. What? California Bandit. Well, they shouldn't because California Bandit

is a good name for a superhero. Or a supervillain. Yeah, supervillain, the California Bandit. But the problem with California is that they've got all the gum trees from australia that are filled with oils and that's why you're getting the bad fires as well oh um but the uh yeah australia they call it back burning yeah i call it that here too sometimes you were saying oh yeah go ahead well no i'm sure it was an aboriginal um Well, the Aboriginals used to, rather than hunt, they used to go in.

This is, I'm just going to say, they used to just burn a whole big section of bush and then go through and eat all the dead animals that were burned inside there. Quick barbecue. Yeah. Get it done. Get it done.

I'm just saying the modern. I'm sorry. No, no, no. Keep going. I'm sorry. No, no, no. Keep going. I thought we were. I'm just saying the modern dendrochronology study of trees and tree rings has allowed us to show for thousands of years that this has been a practice. And it is things like invasive species like the gum trees or the eucalyptus in California

do make it harder, but it is still super important. And as a mohawk you probably heard the term iroquois confederacy that might be one that you put on your uh on your quiz jim to become a citizen um but the the iroquois are we call ourselves holden o'shawny we always talk about the seventh generation um and making decisions based on the seventh generation behind us what they were doing and looking to the future of the seventh generation ahead of us. So that's the reason that we're so involved. It's why we always talk about it, like Jim was saying.

It's all we talk about. On telly. On telly it's what you talk about. I know. I don't think on a Friday night after you're all like, let's watch the new Star Wars and Disney+, and then you're like at the end of watch the new Star Wars and Disney Plus, and then you're like at the end of it all start talking about conservation.

I know. How many Indian nations are there in the United States? Jim says 100. 100. Okay, so no, you're super wrong, but I gave you a point because of the way you got there and Forrest had to rein you in and be like, okay, give me a number. But you talked about how big the landmass is.

And that's what I always try to tell people. If you were to take the landmass the size of the U.S. and place it on Europe, kind of tilt it maybe, you know, like Oregon and Washington are up here and Florida is way down here, like Turkey maybe. Think about how many peoples and languages and cultures and all of the above are stretched throughout that landmass. There's actually 574 recognized, federally recognized Indian tribes. I only recognize one.

Jeffrey's recognition. On my chart, and I rank them. Jesus. What's number one? Mohawks. All day, all day, they're up to number one just because the haircut and because they're not the flashy headdress just a few feathers i like that yeah understated 574 you said and is that 574 languages um no so i mean languages and cultures and religions, like you were saying, yeah.

But some of us speak similar languages. Like, there's six of us. This is the flag of our confederacy. And we all have similar languages. Like, I can kind of read Oneida. I can kind of read, or I can understand there's a lot of similar words, like Seneca. But it is a different language. But they're in groups.

So, it's Iroquoian language group cayuga cayuga good i went to anthony college we were on cayuga lake oh we're in new york all the lakes were right it's like seneca like yuga oneida was a city so that's the iroquois federation oh yeah but i wouldn't have known that if i went i went to school probably in new york i was just in new mexico and uh there was a lot of that the blue turquoisey stuff who uses that what tribes into that the blue turquoisey stone that's my birthstone what is that one a lot oh it is a lot of the southwest tribes use that um and it's turquoise yeah you said blue turquoise jewelry and stuff it looks good i wanted to get some but i didn't know if i could you wouldn't. Yeah, you can't pull it off. I can't pull it off.

What is the Dingle Johnson Act? Jim said his real name is Dingleberry Dick. The first person who said... Dingleberry Dick. The first person who said we should have food sovereignty. I don't know. Fucking good on you, Dingleberry Dick. And for fighting.

Good fight. Yeah, giving credit to... He had to have been a white man, Dingle, it's Dingle and Johnson. And I was so excited for Forrest to ask you that question because of the name, but it's really not that exciting. However, it was a good idea that he had, or that they had last name of two different guys, Dingle and Johnson. It basically makes it so that when you buy a fishing or boating license, that money is then put towards conservation of the areas that you are recreating in. And then there's also the Pittman-Robertson Act from 1937. The Dingell-Johnson Act was 1950.

And the Pittman-Robertson Act is the same thing, but for hunting. So anglers and hunters are kind of two of the only groups that, in order to do the things outdoors that we like to do, we have to be giving back through the purchase of the license sales. Yeah, but I don't trust the government when it comes to money that we give them. I just don't.

Believe it or not. Well, we pay council tax and it's meant to pay for schools around me and all this type of stuff. The price keeps going up, but I don't see the world around me going up. So do you believe that this is being corrupted or do you believe that this works? Are you asking if I, a Native American, trust the U.S. government? Yes, yes. No, I don a Native American, trust the U.S. government? Yes, he is.

Because no, I don't. Oh, that's new. You people are untrustworthy people or untrusting. You're untrusting folk. Well, yeah, that's actually, you know, that's what Columbus said when he first arrived. They're untrusting. No, no, are trusting, very trusting, and would be easily overtook or whatever the phrase he used was. So, yeah, that's part of our part of our undoing was trusting.

You know, I was going to get to this later. But like I said, our my tribe is the first tribe to have a reservation. But there has been over like I want to say over 700 treaties signed between the U.S. government and tribes. And every single one has been broken by the U.S. I don't trust the u.s government i will say this living in america i feel like the relationship with uh native american indians and americans and uh the government and the with the casinos and the reservations and all that

stuff it feels like you're a bit further along than the austral the Aboriginals. Oh, really? That's interesting. I didn't realize that. I feel like you've got somewhat reparations in the reservations and the casinos. If I'm speaking out of turn, please stop me. I'm not. But I've worked in the casinos and all types of stuff,

and it seems like that's going well. Yeah, it seems like that's going well. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is really interesting. You actually just performed at a casino near my house at the Grand Ronde Reservation. It's super hard to get to. When I saw that you were going there, I felt so bad that you had to.

Yeah, loved it. I love those casinos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love them. I love them. They're like the funnest gigs you can do. They're always well run. They treat you like awesome.

They treat you great. The crowd's always good. You know, it's always a nice property to be on. I'm all for them. I think it's bloody wonderful. I, in fact, think that the Aboriginals in Australia, because what they do in Australia, that they don't do as much here in America,

they're big on talk, right? So the Australians, now we have Welcome to Country, which is before anybody performs or you go to a sporting event they go they they acknowledge the original owners of the land and they say this uh you're now on the land of the tribe of and they'll say whatever land we're on uh we would like to welcome you to this sporting event we know that blah blah blah blah and that when you land land on a plane in Australia, it will say welcome to country. It will say welcome.

You have just landed in Sydney Airport, which is the original custodians of this land. And they say past, present, and emerging leaders. And they honor them. But it's all just fucking words, isn't it? You know what I mean? Yeah, it is. And it's all words.

And so they also we've said sorry for the stolen generation i know that canada had a stolen generation of innuits and uh people who were taken away because the government deemed that they could do a better job and put these kids in orphanages and stop them learning their language and they can only speak english and taking their culture away from and they think that they were doing a better job for whatever reason. So they did that to the Aboriginals and then we've apologised for that and now we've done the Welcome to Country and it feels like none of that sort of worked.

I feel like words are nice but give the Aboriginals reservations and let them build tax-free businesses such as casinos um am i completely talking out of my ass right now please correct me no no it's it's interesting because so um for example am i cutting out no no you're perfect okay um for example the reservation that we were given uh by the the Crown just north in Ontario, just north of our actual homeland in Ontario. Again, the first thing you have to realize is that it's not our homeland. It's outside of it, right?

I think that they're actually northern hunting lands that we were given. However, the hardest thing about reservations and the Indian Removal Act is that most of the time, it wasn't like, oh, you live on this beautiful tract of land. We're going to give you all of it. Most of the time it was like, hey, you live on this beautiful tract of land. We can sell it for the settlers. So we're going to put you on this little arid parcel, rancho, whatever, picture, whatever arid strips of land in Southern California that exists. And then it's a part of the world that we don't have a relationship with.

And that's what this whole thing comes back to is in order to have true sovereignty, it should be the land that your creation story comes from and that your grandparents lived on. And so it is better than nothing, but I think that's about as good as it gets and i was talking about the brand ron reservation because um the casinos are cool my friend one of my best friends who uh when she turned 21 the casino gives everyone when they turn 21 a cut

of the percentages of the earnings um when you turn 21. however if you spend much time at the casino which i've been there a few times um there are a lot of tribal members that you see just like sitting there pushing buttons and all that money is going back into the casino um and the casino does have then uh you know charity that they do some outreach for tribal members but i think it it's a hard cycle. I don't have a real answer. I know South Africa has tried to do truth and reconciliation. Canada did a truth and reconciliation. And I'd like to see more of that in the U.S. Would you, as an Indigenous person,

enjoy having a welcome to nation type thing like the Aboriginals do? Because I'm on the fence about this. I don't know whether it's the right thing to do or whether it's just lip service you did in the hockey game last night that i watched the stanley cup which i know is coming out way after that but they had whoever whatever tribe was in that area of edmonton came on the screen and did a whole welcome to edmonton you a similar thing than what i heard in australia wasn't as, it was more just like we, you know, support people that support us kind of thing. No, if these things are positive things and they actually help, it's good.

But I just don't feel like it's just putting a bandaid over something by saying a few words, you know, and not actual actions. Totally. So I speak on Indigenous issues fairly often, and I will almost always start with a uh land acknowledgement is what we call them here um and the it's interesting because when i've taught people how to do land acknowledgements i always finish with a um you know for example uh mohawk people are still here um and they were pushed onto their reservation x date and here is how you can support

or this is how you can continue your own learning or go home and tell your kids that kind of thing because it is if it's just it is just lip service if it's just um people feeling good about themselves by being like oh i'm gonna do a land acknowledgement but if there's an added you know call to action or call to continued learning i think that that can be really helpful because I always think about, have you, I'm sure if you guys all been to Mexico and gone to like one of the cultural, like they'll do like dances or it's,

it's almost like a luau when you go to Hawaii. Have you been to? I've been to luau's. Yeah. I've been to them. Yeah. It's like that. And so the more that people can recognize and realize that we're,

we're still here. Indigenous people are still here. I think that's important because a lot of times I hear people talking about Indigenous people in the past tense. And that's super harmful because it's erasive of, like you were saying, when you land in Australia that's great that they say that there are current leaders and leaders of people. They go past, present and emerging. We pay our respects to the Indigenous people past, present and emerging. Yeah, I like that a lot.

All right, let's get this. I like it when you land in Australia. I do think that's nice when you land and Qantas actually says it over the speakers because I like a little lesson. I think I didn't like it

at one time when I watched the Matildas play, which is the Women's World Cup. And the guy's like this. He goes, and I know that our ancestors, the ghosts of our ancestors are sitting beside you today. And I'm like, that's not like when you bring religion into shit.

It always bothers me. Now, because I'm all like, all right, the Aboriginal bloke, there's a bloke with a didgeridoo. Come on, you lost me at ghosts. Let's go here. Let me combine some of these. So what is wildlife conservation and how is it funded? That was a question we had.

You said. Sorry, we kind of just did that. Sorry, you can say the answer. That's what I'm saying. It's like you talked about the getting permits and stamps and stuff for hunting and fishing. Go straight back into it. Hunting contributes $1.6 billion per year to conservation. It goes directly back into the agency.

And so that is, I mean, that's a proven statistic. You can see how much each state agency is getting from licensed sales. So it is very important. And they're looking at new ways to make sure that, like, kayakers and birdwatchers are able to give back in the same sort of way. We're fucking bird watchers. We're going to start charging bird watchers.

Yeah, because they're using the land. They're just having a look. They're just having a fucking look. Now we're going to start fucking charging blokes who suck cocks in bushes. Sure. That's already illegal yeah there's a charge yeah there's a cost of that i'm just happy i don't have to pay a license

yeah whether it's real or emotional there is a cost jim so um uh public land jim said yellowstone central park it's for the public to use we have a barbecue in there. Yeah. You got a point for that as well, even though it goes so much further beyond just parks, national parks, public parks, state parks, that kind of thing. The Department of the Interior, Army Corps of Engineers,

National Forest Service, any national forest that exists in the area, and then Bureau of Land Management. The Bureau of Land Management is actually the biggest land owner of public land in the U.S., and I think it's like 240 million acres or something like that that they own that is all held in the public trust. That's what public land is. And then you got minus a point because you thought it was Franklinlin delano roosevelt and not teddy roosevelt i was gonna correct him on that because he would someone would yell yeah teddy is the conservation president and teddy was a hunter um yes he was a hunter wouldn't kill a bear and that's all you have teddy bears i almost that was almost my fun fact and then i

was like because he was actually being led by a black guy named Holt Collier. And he is a very famous hunter in the BIPOC community. But not a lot of people know him. But he was actually the guy that took Teddy on that exposition. That was going to be one of my fun facts. But you just knew it. Before we ever had teddy bears, yeah, it's because he wouldn't share. And then they brought them onto the market.

Like, here's your teddy bear. Soft president. What role do indigenous people play in environmental sustainability? I think we can talk about eagles and the land, the spokespeople. Spokespeople for the land. Spokespeople for the land. Spokespeople for the land. There you go.

Yeah. So indigenous peoples only make up 5% of the world's population, but we protect 80% of the world's biodiversity. And it kind of, world's population but we protect 80 of the world's biodiversity and it kind of that's worldwide um it kind of goes towards what i was saying earlier wait wait you you talk about biodiversity for the world 80 for the world they protect it she's saying right protect oh that's cool i do talk about it a lot but i might not be the singular i mean it's in south florida the ever i can just speak to this from living growing up in miami being a biologist marine biologist down there the seminal

and the mikosuke uh tribes down there use a lot of their money that i mean the seminal zone the hard rock whole chain so they got they use a lot of money to for to for to and lawyers to protect the everglades the water quality in the Everglades, to fight against the different pollutions that are caused by runoff, agriculture, all that stuff. So, I mean, I don't know if that's what you're talking about, but I know from- I just watched a documentary on Jimmy Carter

called Carterland. I saw it on a plane. It was pretty cool, man. And he was very good for the environment. He put fucking solar- If we stuck with what Jimmy Carter said, we kept on that plan, the environment would be all right right now but then like he's a nerd he put solar panels on top of the fucking white house and that was the first thing that reagan did when he got in

was remove him wow like why why would you take them off your because reagan was arguably the worst president for people love him ever i know for the environment yeah for the environment but people love him sorry but you i cut you off there to say you 80 did the percentage again sorry yeah indigenous people only make up five percent of the global population but we protect think about think of 80 of the world's biodiversity is protected by indigenous people think about the amazon rainforest for a second and think about, I keep talking about this reference, referencing this relationship to the land.

When you care about something, you protect it, right? If you buy a really nice pair of sunglasses, you're not going to trash them and scratch them and lose them. Right? So if you have something that means a lot to you or has personal value to you,

you're going to hold onto it. You're going to want to care for it. And so, so many of our families have these these deep rooted relationships that have existed for millennia um or since the dawn of time is how most indigenous people would say since time immemorial and so um there's a you know charlie hill the comedian he was oneida he's one of the tribal uh he's a tribal member of the same confederacy that i am and um he was Oneida. He's one of the tribal, he's a tribal member of the same Confederacy that I am. And he was actually discovered, I think, by Richard Pryor. Charlie Hill in like the 70s would do shows at the comedy store in LA. And Richard Pryor actually invited him onto the show. And they'd written, someone had written a sketch that was super racist. And Charlie Hill was like, I don't want anything to do with that um and told him why

and Richard Pryor actually listened and was like okay I agree I see how that's harmful we can change it up and I'll give you five minutes of stand-up time on my show so in 1977 Charlie Hill went on the Richard Pryor show and was hilarious and one of the things that he said uh in that bit his first television appearance as a comedian um was anytime that there's a question about how to manage uh america ask indigenous people because we have the owner's manual and that's kind of it you know we've existed in relationship with the land that is now called the u.s for so long um that we are dedicated to the environment and the sustainability yeah i didn't know when you said his name i was like uh but then

i looked at a picture i'm like oh yeah i remember it was the first native american stand-up comedian to appear on major television shows such as the richard pryor show there you go yeah cool um what uh u.s agencies oversee hunting and fishing laws jim said fishing and whatnot fishing and whatnot department yeah yeah yeah that was so close um u.s fish and wildlife service i think is what you were trying to say there so i think i gave you a point for that one as well um the department the department of the interior uh is the overall and that's why i'm on the hunting and fishing wildlife conservation uh council for the department of the interior um and then they we the doi manages the u. And then the DOI manages

the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. And then it goes from there. Each state actually oversees their own hunting laws. So different states have different laws. And I'll talk about that in a second, I think. We talked a lot about, you're not, I know some things you might not remember, but we talked a lot about the Department

of Interior head during the Trump administration on your show. Because it was always like lobbyists it was like that's you're supposed to be protecting the environment and working national parks and it was always like i think it was like an oil lobbyist named zinky i can't remember his name now we used to make fun of him too god i can't remember now it's an indigenous woman named deb holland and so that's clearly she's like a fucking turncoat is she oh deb no no no it's good you want oh no she's in's clearly. Oh, she's like a fucking turncoat, is she? Oh, Deb. No, no, no, it's good.

Oh, no, she's in the good bit. Oh, no, she's not pro. The head of the Department of Interior, you want to be an environmentalist? Like, you're in charge of the lands. The one that Trump had, and the two people were like oil lobbyists. It was the Exxon Mobil guy.

Yeah, yeah. They were just like, yeah, we'll look after the lands. Like, okay. It's like, just, it's ridiculous. More Mobil guy. Yeah, yeah. They were just like, yeah, we'll look after the lands. Like, okay. It's like just ridiculous. More fracking. Yeah, exactly. Now, under the Biden administration, it's Deb Haaland, who's an awesome indigenous woman.

She and I have spoken together on a couple events. What are wanton waste laws? Jim said wanton, want, not waste laws is actually what it's called. It's waste, not want, not law. I thought he was going to make jokes about like wantons, not want not law i thought he was gonna make jokes about like wontons like the food i thought that he raised his thing yeah you just get me back when i called you racist yeah yeah even you saying one time horrible

the wanton waste laws are um actually when it's so interesting. When I tell people that I hunt, people are like, well, I hope you eat it. I hope that you eat the animal. And Jim, you're even saying, I don't mind it if people eat the animals that they're hunting. And it's actually illegal to not eat the animals. I pulled up the exact law. So we shouldn't be so hard on Jeffrey Dahmer. Anyways. These are the killers. animals i pulled up the exact law so we shouldn't be so hard on jeffrey dharma huh anyways these other killers let me tell you he didn't fucking eat him jeffrey dharma used every bit of the animal if he didn't eat it he was fucking it

or both um no person no person this is this is the law we're gonna i'm gonna be for us for a second we're gonna bring it back this is the actual verbiage of the law no person shall waste any edible portion of any game mammal game bird game fish or pelt of any fur bearing mammal um and so people always talk about uh you know how you can respect it if people are eating it but i promise if there are poachers there are assholes that just exist in the world um and they're they're the ones i'm guessing you're that you've had negative interactions with and um a lot of people who don't respect the animals that just do it to put a head on their wall they're the same kind of people um but it is illegal to waste the meat

yeah oh yeah no and i'm i'm very anti um big game trophy hunting and i think most most hunters if you talk to us people are people will be like oh you're just like killing animals you're just like hurting animals and i always say if you're hurting animals then you shouldn't be hunting because you're not an ethical shot um if you aren't able to ethically harvest an animal be it a fish or a deer or a duck or whatever um then you shouldn't be hunting have you have you hunted have you hunted overseas at all have you ever hunted in other countries no i've hunted in hawaii just because i have family there and board members there for the nonprofit. But no, I've never gone anywhere else to hunt.

Don't want to get back on a bloody pickup truck in Australia or a ute as we call them and shoot a couple of kangaroos? You wouldn't be up for that? It's interesting because Australia, don't you guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you guys, are people allowed to hunt the feral cats? We're allowed to hunt a few things. I've been on the back of a ute and watched my cousins shoot kangaroos

when I was a little kid, when I was like my son's age. I've done that. Aw. But kangaroos, on the farmland, you eat them. Yeah, they're like deer here. It says Aboriginal communities have hunted feral cats for food since at least 1890s. Okay, there was a thing that happened that really fucking upset me

when it happened. Now, I think he was a cop or something, but there was a drunk Aboriginal bloke and he was fucking, you can see this video online, and he was just drunk and acting like a fuckwit, and he was throwing rocks at a wombat. And I love wombats. And they're not, I don't know if they're in danger but they're not there's not fucking tons of them yeah right and he was he was throwing rocks at this wombat walking

along the street drunk and laughing and throwing rocks at the wombat and then a few bleeding heart liberals but he got in the way and said oh no no no that's how as an indigenous person would would hunt a wombat and then a few aboriginals came and went, this is not how we hunt a wombat. What are you talking about? You know what I mean? Like, they tried to go, oh, because if you watch that video, we can watch it after the podcast.

It fucking upsets you. I'm good. I'll pass. I don't want to watch that. It sounds bad. You have to see these things to know that there's bad out there. I'm aware there's bad. Isn't it what you yell at your wife about?

Yeah, my wife sits at home and watches animals being tortured. That's her hobby. She sits there. That's what vegans do. Yeah. It keeps her honest. She sits there. I'll be watching TV.

We watch the telly and we'll be like, oh, this is a good movie. And then I'll turn to my wife. We'll just be on the phone like this. I was like, are you watching a cat being poked with a stick nine times out of ten i guess it well okay so yeah there and there are assholes everywhere that's a very real thing um just a couple months ago did you guys hear about the guy in wyoming who captured a wolf and then muzzled it and took it into a bar and like yeah take pictures with it what before killing it yeah it's it was i mean it's fucked up it's messed up it's it's the it's what makes hunters have

a bad rep people like him because they're louder than indigenous people when it comes to hunting um because we have relationship with the animal and it's because we have relationship with these key species so i'm i'm wolf clan i keep showing you all my tattoos i like brought fun props on my body um but i'm i'm wolf clan and so to me like that's as wolf clan we don't hunt we don't hunt wolves there are some tribes where if you are wolf clan or bear clan you can hunt bears and wolves um but but i don't do that they're uh a species that are that's so integral to who i am as a person that it's – that was disgusting. And so it happens everywhere. Anytime that you don't have respect for the animal and aren't treating them like a living thing, a living being that deserves respect, then that's when hunters get a bad rep. on Peacock at the moment about the, I think it was the 1990 New York Yankees,

which were historically a diabolical team. And Steinberger or whatever the guy. Steinbrenner. Steinbrenner. He was fighting with the guy who was the top guy, and he wanted to get rid of him and send him off to the Angels. There was another guy who was dating a 15-year-old girl, and in their fuckingbook like of the

yankees he was in her prom prom right in the phone like it was dodgy but then there was one other player who just in manhattan brought two cougars into the locker room what like actual full cougars just into the locker room and they were just and they were just like and one day he brought two cougars in the locker room they go shit got crazy and were just like and one day he brought two cougars in the locker room and they go shit got crazy and you're like where the fuck did you get two cougars in Manhattan I don't know

it's saying Brent Gardner he was pretty good too yeah he brought two yeah he was good yeah brought two cougars in I guess he'd have to be but that was the era

the 80s and 90s when like Tyson had tigers and shit that was I think that was when we started getting the Tiger King people the late 80s early 90s no Tyson had tigers and shit. I think that was when we started getting the Tiger King people. The late 80s, early 90s. No, they had them in the 70s. Yeah, but celebrities doing it.

What percentage of hunters identifies people of color? Jim said 32%. It's less than 4% according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. They did a demographic study in 2016. It's a little outdated now, but in 2016, about 97% of hunters identified as non-people of color. So 97% of hunters in the U.S. are white. Most of them have been on the Joe Rogan experience, I think.

All of my stats are from Africa, though. Oh, 32%. That's very low. It's still bad. South Africa. Yeah, South Africa. My stats are from South Africa. There we go.

Yeah. It is interesting. That's part of why we started a nonprofit, though, was because I like to ask people to picture a hunter, and no one pictures me. And it's so interesting because my family's been hunting here forever. Part of being a woman, I think it's also like

89% identify as men. And so that's another thing too. In my kids' school, every second white kid's called hunter. Most people, I think when they picture a hunter, picture like Elmer Fudd. That's, I think, when they picture Hunter, picture like Elmer Fudd. That's what I picture, yeah. A flannel and like a Trump hat. Yeah, exactly.

So like I do. Top black man. Dick Cheney, didn't he? He shot his mate in the face while he was not here. I'm a owner. What weapons can be used to hunt in the US? Name them all, Forrest. Crossbow, all guns, basically.

Spears, boomerangs, throw a shoe, shoehornhorn bricks to boomerang if a guy's on holiday hooks on the end of a wire nets to suffocate or plastic bags also known as land nets land nets yeah yeah like two of those were right well you can use all those things right well you can try there's actually really there's really strict laws they're called methods of take um there's really strict laws uh in different states and they vary by state so forrest is talking about the guy in um hawaii that has a spear um that's much more common in hawaii it's illegal in some states to use spears but in hawaii you can even use uh knives um they usually do that while running dogs.

It's my least favorite style of hunting. That's terrifying. Just holding the spear was terrifying. I don't know. I'm going to hit my ankle with this. I don't know if Forrest is in any state to be holding a spear. Never. Even when I was in shape, should I not be holding a spear?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not in this state. In shape. It is interesting, though, because there's various firearms um all states you can use shotguns or different kinds of rifles um canada you can only i believe for hunting uh big game you can only use muzzle loaders um which is interesting because the famous gun routine when you say that every country have a musket, that's a muzzleloader. Like a muzzleloader is like a type of musket that is being used. And I think it makes a lot of sense.

I'm probably one of the only hunters who would say this, but I've done March for Our Lives and stuff like that. I've been very, I've hunted with a bow and arrow. And so I'm very pro reasonable gun control as a hunter and i think any any person who like looks deep inside themselves can say that children in our schools are worth so much more than being able to hunt with a fancy right after what happened with hunter hunter biden it turns out the republicans like gun control as. They're all for it as well. He's like, he shouldn't have had a gun there. Yeah.

They're for schools. I brought a couple of my bows. You want to see them? Sure. The one in the background there. Is that one? That one's a fun one. Yeah. I have one closer.

This is a compound bow. That one looks like it'll kill more. Yeah. They're intense. they shoot far and fast um and then this was actually made by one of my buddies who's from the klamath modok tribes um and so it does have a string on it but it needs to be yeah it would need to be then and these don't shoot as far um but it's very traditional method of equipment. How close do you have to be to kill someone with that? Depends on the hunter, but like I was saying earlier, if you're herding animals, then you're not an ethical hunter. So you always have to be aware of your range.

My lethal range is about 50 to 40 yards. You have to be pretty close. But my fiance, for example, when he got his first elk, was at like 82 yards. That's because in our backyard we have elk target and he shoots up to 100 yards every day. Right. Did you guys meet each other in some type of hunting app?

No. Hunters. Hunters and eagles. Shoot right. Hunter be hunted. Yeah, yeah, Target. We met at a... We did meet at a Western bar.

It was a line dance night. Nice. That's the widest activity on earth. It is. That's fucking cultural appropriation if I've ever seen it. Fucking hell. I was doing it. I'm coming over to your house with feathers

in me head after that. Fucking hell, you can't be line dancing. We were listening to the doohickeys, actually. Hey, shout out. Thank you. I'm glad you're okay, Jack. I saw you got hit by a plane. I got hit by a plane earlier. Yeah, thank you very much. What? We made a promo.

You guys gotta watch my social media. We haven't watched it on there. I didn't by a plane earlier. Yeah, thank you very much. What? We made a promo. You guys gotta watch my social media more. I didn't know you had social media. I love that I did and they haven't yet. Welcome to my hell. So did we cover all the different types of guns, bows? Okay, I want to hear more about how you

met your fiance. So you're line dancing and he joins the line, does he? And then you you go because you don't like you dance with each other you dance like it's it's like it's like it's like it's like eating food at a counter right you're next to the person uh did you just sort of do a little thing and click your heel out and give him a wink or who approached who first? It's actually a very cute and fun story. Well, we don't have time for it. I know you don't have time for a fun story.

No, I want to hear it. Believe it or not, he's brown too. So we're both appropriating. And we were both actually DDing that night. I was driving. It's double dicking for the people who don't know. What does dd mean designated driver double drunk driving you're both drunk driving all right crashed into each

other crashed into each other i didn't say double docking or something but anyways we were and and uh i he i walked in with one of his buddies like hanging over my shoulder because he was so drunk. I like carried him up the stairs and I was like, you shouldn't even be like entering a bar in this state. They're not going to sell you anything. And he saw me with a guy over my shoulder

and he was like, oh, she's with my friend Matt, obviously. You already knew Matt or you just picked him up off the road? I knew Matt. I picked him up kind of off the road. He was struggling. But I picked him up to take him so he could go dancing.

And I was sober. I was kind of like hanging out on the wall. And he told Matt that he thought I was cute. But Matt was so drunk that he told me that he thought my friend was cute. Anyways, we've been together for eight years. But that night I texted my friends and I was like, my future husband just walked into the bar because he was in his cowboy boots

and his little doohickeys cowboy hat. Yes! It was kind of cute. Future husband. Could have gone out with Jack. Jack's in the doohickeys. I think we're the same age, too. Can you hunt? Can I ask you a question Jack

yes oh boy why why aren't you dating the other member of the Doohickeys the girl has standards yeah

we're just friends yeah we had to write a song about it because we could ask that question all the time isn't she engaged yeah she's cute

she's dating a tall Icelandic man yeah she's dating an Icelandic man also her sense of smell is accurate. All right, last question. How can consumers support-

They're originally called the doo-doo hickeys. I did shit my pants at a beach recently, so accurate. Wow. It's good you just walk in the ocean. Yeah. It's true. Although I was in these pants. I shit my pants the other day in a fucking olive walk in the ocean. It's true. Although I was in these pants. I shit my pants the other day.

A fucking olive shot across the room. How can consumers support food sovereignty? Don't eat endangered species, Jim said. Boom, shakalaka. Give me a point. I gave you a point on that. I did. I'm counting like six points now.

But you're not counting the minuses. Some of them are comedy answers. I wouldn't kill an animal with a shoehorn. Why not? Well, you did kill the duck with a golf ball. No, I'd kill a duck with a golf ball. I'd add two of them. How can consumers support food sovereignty?

We're almost there. We're almost across the finish line. We can do it. How can consumers support food sovereignty? Please answer. Quack, quack. The most important thing is to ask where your food comes from um and so i always say i'm not here to try to convince everyone to become a hunter um but just to ask the question just to think about you know where where your food came from who who harvested it how far did it have to travel um a lot of times foods that we think are better for us or even some vegan foods have had

to travel across the world. And that's not sustainable either. Eating a deer from your own backyard is more sustainable than that would be avocado from across the world. So asking where your food comes from, caring about animals and their well-being and not eating from factory farms. And learning a bit about the indigenous peoples near you and traditional ecological knowledge, teaching your kids that we're still here. And you know why it's important to respect different cultures. All right.

There's a part of our show called dinner party facts. We ask our guests to give us some fact obscure, interesting. Right. Too good a way for the audience. Can you impress people? What do you got for us, Lydia? So yeah, Jim did take one. But, and Jim, you probably know the answer to this one,

so I have two quick ones. One, who are the only peoples who never use bows and arrows to hunt in history? The only people who haven't or do? Yeah, who historically, culture that hasn't, that doesn't use bows and arrows. Oh, bows and arrows. I would say the Aboriginals didn't use bows and arrows.

They seem to be spears and golf ball related injuries. So I would say the Aboriginals. And I'm going to, Pacific Islanders for the most part, I believe Hawaiians would, I believe Tongans would. Maybe Maoris, maybe Maoris didn't use bow and arrows. You know a lot more about this than I do because I was just going to say Aboriginals in Australia. Oh, I might have that wrong.

Yeah, but I know the Aboriginals didn't. The Aboriginals never used bow and arrows. Yeah, historically, I don't know how to say the word. It's Australian, woomera, woomera. It's like a addle addle, we would call it here. But it's like a spear throwing addle, we would call it here. But it's like a spear throwing device that was used in place. It's more of

closer to a crossbow. And then boomerangs, obviously, too. And also, we've got that thing that Crocodile Dundee makes a phone call with. Bit of wood on a bit of street.

I've only ever seen that in that movie. I've never seen it anywhere else. I have to assume that Paul Hogan is culturally being correct. No, but he always implied that he was tied in with them somehow. They just liked him. Yeah, yeah. They liked him because Mick was all right. So the Aboriginal people are going to help Mick out.

He did actually, to be fair, the Crocodile and Dundee movie was like the first time I even heard about an Aboriginal. So it was like, to be fair. It was Ernie Dingo. It was Ernie Dingo. Here we go. Ernie Dingo. Yeah.

Here we go. Ernie Dingo. I met Ernie Dingo when I first started out in comedy. Wait, that's his real name? Or that's like his stage name? I think it's his stage name. It wasn't a character in the movie or something? No.

Ernie Dingo is an Aboriginal stand-up comedian. Yeah. He would be quite old now. But there was- 67, right? Yeah. So Ernie Dingo, well, he's not that old. But Ernie Dingo, he was the bloke when in Crocodile Dundee,

when he meets his mate in the bush, he goes, I'm going off to see me dad and I've got to go do this thing and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then in Crocodile Dundee, he goes, he knows the land better than the back of his hand. And then you hear him, poof, hits a tree. Ah, fuck. It's fucking dark out here.

He says he's designated As an Australian National living treasure I think he was in a movie Called Storm Boy Which is like a really good film I think it was Eddie Dingo It might have been

The Fringe Dwellers Tutawali Crocodile Dundee Blackfellas Cappuccino Somewhere in the Darkness He's got a lot Blackfellas

I'm reading Wikipedia My friend You know my friend Andrew Moran Andrew Moran somewhere in the darkness he's got a lot here blackfellas i'm reading like reading wikipedia my friend you know my friend andrew moran yeah andrew moran the opera singer yeah he was in an opera with ernie dingo he was the only white guy everyone else was indigenous yeah and they went and did a an opera about indigenous people and they traveled to rural places actually did that and he performs in the sydney opera house that's his regular job and then he went on the road with Ernie Dingo by the way I looked at the internet says Maoris did not use bow and arrows as well there we go there you go next podcast you do you got two places then hey my other little fun fact really quick though was

I wore this shirt mostly to put that piss off Jim's I've heard you Do you get this song Lydia the tattooed lady sang to you a lot? Constantly my dad's the biggest Marx Brothers fan in the world And so I think that's where my name came from which isn't very thought that came from the fucking Muppets Is that the Marx Brothers Lydia? Oh, have you seen Lydia? That's why your name is Lydia? Because, wow. No, no, I was lying. That was comedic.

It was just funny. Both my grandmas are named Lydia on both sides of my mouth. Were they tattooed ladies as well? I don't think so. I think they probably would have hated to see me like this now. Oh, really? Oh, well. You have one more fact you said, right, Johnny Cash?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my fun fact, yeah. So I wore this because Jim loves Johnny so much and because Johnny Cash was actually one of the first contemporary, you know, musicians to talk about Indigenous peoples. He, like many white people I've met, think that they're part Cherokee and he probably wasn't. I don't think he really was.

But he did release an album called um bitter tears and of which no one knows any songs off it like the rest of his fucking albums yeah because you said he has five songs and he actually has like 10 because there's five songs on this album oh no but that's why he has hundreds of songs no one knows any of them no one cares so that's what i'm telling you this is this is homework for anyone who still made it this far with us on this podcast to listen to the song um as long as the grass shall grow uh because it's a song that was not written by johnny but he performed it's the first song on the album uh the bitter tears album about the damning of the allegheny river where the

seneca peoples live and jfk basically campaigned and where the Seneca peoples live and JFK basically campaigned and told the Seneca peoples that he wouldn't dam the Allegheny River that he wouldn't flood their homeland and then as soon as he became president he did um so anyways it's a song about that experience and the Seneca people mourning uh the loss of their land it's called as long as the grass shall grow and um that that phrase as long as the grass shall grow and the rivers flow uh comes from the end of all the treaties signed with indigenous tribes uh throughout the united states and like i said earlier all of them were broken none of them were ever honored by the united states government um but i brought the i do have his albums and not just oh yeah that's cultural

but but we all he's dressed different yeah he's still in black but he I know look I haven't heard

this song but I assume it goes like this as long as the grass the grass will grow it grows quite low we do not know. The grass.

Lydia, thank you for being here. Your nonprofit organization is called Hunters of Color. You can go to huntersofcolor.org and see what they're about, help with their cause. Just go there and check out the website and find out some information. You can donate too to them. At Hunters of Color on Instagram.

Thank you for being here. Yeah, thanks for having me. Can I say one more thing really quick because I wanted to thank you guys for the podcast. Yeah, sure. Is that what you wanted to say? Was thank you? Kind of, yeah.

It's a little bit more verbose. Give me a second. So I actually met both of you on my birthday in vegas and i think that i confused the fuck out of you jim because i was like hey you did a podcast about psilocybin therapy and i wanted to thank you for that and it was like one of your guys's first idcat episodes um or early on you had a guy come on to talk about magic mushrooms yeah and i remember this now i remember i remember meeting you now this has all come back yes yep carry on yep did

i confuse you so much yeah i did i was so high too it was yeah it was a mistake no we both were but seriously that's why we just was it after the show before the show doesn't matter we're both high just before the show i'll tell the story really quick because only you and I were there and the security guards. But earlier that day, because it was my birthday, I was like, Jimmy, did you buy me backstage passes for my birthday? I want to meet Jim. And he was like, I can't fucking afford that. And so I was like, okay, whatever.

And then I was pissed because we were late for the show. We don't have those in Vegas. So you're not missing out. There's no backstage passes in Vegas. Oh, cool. Okay. Good to know. But I was pissed because I was late for the show because my friend was going pee. so you're not missing out there's no backstage passes oh cool okay good to know um but i was

pissed because i was late for the show because my friend was going pee so i was like standing in the hallway by myself waiting for her to be done and i was like oh jim's gonna be on stage and i hate being late to comedy shows i think it's like the number one or number two like worst thing you can do at a comedy show um and so i was standing there and all these guys in the yellow shirts start walking by and i was like security guards doing here and you're in the middle and i know you're probably not supposed to do this either like talk to people before the show but you were so nice to me and like stop for a second i was like hey i just wanted to say thank you for doing that episode about psilocybin therapy um because it saved my life and then jim goes i did Jim goes, I did? It was our 17th episode.

I just looked it up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, yeah, you did. And you had an expert on, and he talked about psilocybin therapy. And I was able to get psilocybin therapy and it saved my life.

I had some pretty aggravated abuse as a kid. So I had really bad catastrophic anxiety, like the spiraling and everything is going to hell. And I did psilocybin therapy here in Oregon. It's the only state where it's legal right now. So I did it through the Oregon Health Authority and it totally, it saved my life. I mean, I've never been able to get out of those cycles until that. And the day before I went to do the therapy, listen to that episode. And the guy told me there's, you can't die from psilocybin. And Jim goes, know i've tried and so that was like what i kept in my that's like what i kept in my mind the whole time because it's my first time ever doing drugs um and it saved my life so

i just want to say thank you oh drugs what can they not do all right thanks for being here lydia thank you thank you lydia and i appreciate that nice little story at the end there as well ladies All right. Thanks for being here, Lydia. Thank you. Thank you, Lydia. I appreciate that nice little story at the end there as well. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're ever at a party and someone walks up to you and says, you don't need a license to go fishing, I don't know about that. And then walk away. Good night, America and Australia and all the other nations on earth alright Lydia thanks again for being here this is coming out

I believe July 2nd this is going to come out July 2nd I'll let you know but we'll tag hunters of color in there as well too on Instagram I'm not worthy of promotion myself but the non-profit and and in meeting we can put your handle up there as well you're the face of the thing you're sending your handle you didn't send it to me send it to me of course

you're worthy go get some more psilocybin fucking it doesn't feel like you're at the side i'm not worthy of promotion yeah it's up to you if you want to call for sessions. I'm not worthy of promotion. It's up to you. If you want to send it, you can. I'm not going to force you, but by all means, we're on the podcast. And next time we're in Vegas or wherever, you reach out and we'll get you some free tickets, and you can have backstage passes that time.

So we'll sort that out. Thanks so much for having me, guys. I really appreciate it. By the way, thanks. Because I got to meet Lydia and she was on the podcast her dad's gonna be on the podcast and you're gonna be very excited

when her dad not that we didn't enjoy Lydia but it's gonna be one of your favorite subjects you're gonna be excited my dad's gonna be so much better no you're great this is awesome

you're awesome I'm gonna get you're a fucking Max Brothers fan which is not what we're talking about but yeah he's gonna know he's gonna know enjoy the dodgers game how about that that's my hint enjoy the dodgers game oh i think i've cracked it then it's the dodgers it's uh it's kicking native people off chave's ravine crushed it all right lady we'll talk to you later

thanks so much guys take care bye