I Don't Know About That - Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

In this episode, the team discusses fuel cell electric vehicles with Senior Engineering Manager of the Fuel Cell Integration Group at Toyota Motor North America Research and Development, Jackie Birdsall. Follow Jackie on Twitter @Jackie_Birdsall and find her on LinkedIn. Our merch store is now live! Go to idontknowaboutthat.com for shirts, hoodies, mugs, and more! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Okay. Amber. Heard. Which one's a load of cattle and which one's a bit of a bitch? You might find out. I don't know about that, but Jim Jefferies, you can fucking quote me. There we go. It's recorded.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am a herd. I haven't heard. Bloody, I watch that case. She's no good that I haven't heard. The bit where she goes. Aren't they both a bit of bitches though? Probably. Yeah, probably.

I think the answer is they're both really not good for each other and that was a toxic ass relationship. Yeah, a relationship they both had to get out of. We've all been in those relationships until you find a good relationship where you're like, we're just, we don't get along. Me and you fight. Maybe with another person you can get along, but not with me. But she cost him a lot of money.

She cost him. No, that's wrong. She shouldn't have said fucking, once you get out of a relationship, just fucking call it a day. Don't bitch about each other and move on. If he was being, you know, if it wasn't a two-way street, fine. But she like deliberately sabotaged a lot of hundreds of millions

of dollars. But I'm perfect. And now the Fantastic Beasts movies are terrible. Wait, who's in those? He was removed and someone else was put in, but they would be terrible regardless. His looks have really he used to be like this stunningly handsome guy and now he's like weird.

Yeah. I don't know what happened to him. Yeah. I think it's all the jewelry. He's in his 50s. You can't wear that many rings and still be hot. He's not even in costume for Jack Sparrow. He's like so many bracelets.

It's tough. He was a good looking guy and he kind of fell for it. I still think he's a good looking guy. But, you know, I'd be happy to look to look like Johnny Depp at 52 or whatever. Look at me. You could look like me. How old are you, Forrest? I'm going to be 50 this year. He's younger than Johnny Depp.

That's what you need to know. No one's shit on my bed though. Not that I know of. Yeah, she's shit on the bed, man. Not even Arnie. And the bit that I don't like is where she went. In the case, she went, go tell people that you got hit by a girl or whatever like that. Like, fuck you, dude.

No, you can't do that. She started the first shots fired were from her. They should have just broken up the relationship. We're not good for that. You go date Elon Musk. Whoever the fuck you want to date and I'll go back to being. That's a red flag right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But yeah, man. And yeah, I guess I don't even like the Pirates of the Caribbean anyways I was never a fan of the Pirates of the Caribbean I like Donnie Brasco he's a great actor he's done plenty of good stuff what has Amber Heard been in I don't really know

Shitting the Bed 4 I'd watch that I'd watch his shit on a bed Amber Heard movies alright go bring that tape out Justice League London Fields

what was she in the Justice League I don't know I think she's like part of that Aquaman team so she might have just had a bit part

three days to kill Vivi DeLay I thought they were both cunty about the Australian thing with the dogs and then I I was anti both of them after that for a while.

Wait, what is that? They were filming one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies in Australia. And Australia has very strict quarantine rules on pets because we have a lot of problems with diseases being brought in that aren't part of the ecosystem, a la the cane toads and different bits of fauna and all that type of stuff. And so when you go to Australia, if you want to bring your pets, they have to go into a quarantine for two weeks. And they just snuck her two dogs into Australia on a private jet

and didn't say anything. When they got caught, they were made a bit of an example of, and they did an apology together where they sat there that was super cunty, where they were just like, australia needs to be respected australia fuck you dude the rules are the rules if you watch the tape like we can have an edit point right now if we find it here we go australia is a wonderful island with a treasure trove of unique plants animals and people that has to be protected australia is free of many pests and diseases that are commonplace around the world that is why australia has to be protected. Australia is free of many pests and diseases that are commonplace around the world.

That is why Australia has to have such strong biosecurity laws. And Australians are just as unique, both human and direct. How is this not a bit? If you disrespect Australian law, they will tell you firmly. I'm truly sorry that Pistol and Boo were not declared. Protecting Australia is important. You declared everything when you went to Australia. How is that real?

They should have had the airport. Yeah. That's hilarious. I was like, he's like leaning back every time. Like, I can't believe I'm doing this. Now I look back at it, it's pretty funny, really. It's hilarious. But don't act like you should have done it.

Don't act like, oh, Australia's being hard on us because you're the only country coming on private jets with your dogs. The rest of us, you can't do that commercial or anything like that. You're not above it. Australia will come down. Also, I want to take it back.

Johnny Depp's still pretty handsome. He looks pretty good though. No. But when he says Australian people are just as important. He keeps leaning back. He's like, ugh, I can't believe it. Yeah, because I think they said if you make an apology, we can sort of waive the fine or whatever.

So they made that. That was their apology. It looks like they were good as a couple. They look like they're being held captive. It's like bling twice if you guys are in trouble. He's holding up the newspaper with the date on it. He's like, we are here in Australia. As of this recording, we are still alive.

They should put that at the airport. That should be when you're landing on Australian flights. It's like Australia needs to be protected. Yeah. So that, but like, but it was one of these things in a relationship where it's like, he would have gone, I told you not to bring the fucking dogs. I got to fucking get the, now we're in trouble.

Because Disney got in trouble a whole lot. The production had to shut down for a bit while there was this thing. When was this? When they were making the seventh fucking Pirates movie or whatever. 2016. Yeah, they were filming it in Australia. Anybody at that level of success just didn't think the rules applied to them. Like, that's basically what that is.

Is it possible they didn't know? But there are things. How could you not know that you have to declare your past and respect the people of Australia? Okay, just a simple thing. There are no rabies in Australia, but there's rabies in America, right? And once it gets into a country, it gets into a country. The same reason I had to quarantine as a person when I went in there during quarantine. Because of your rabies.

Yeah, because of my rabies. Wait, there's no rabies in Australia? I don't believe so. Actually, someone Google that before people get in. Look, actually, we have the number one rabies. We don't have cancer either. Because I remember that was one of these things like, in America, there's rabies, man.

I remember once I got pulled in Britain because I was walking. I'm very pale, and they checked me for tuberculosis. Wow. Coming from Australia. I was like, I must have looked sick, man. They pulled me out of the fucking line. I was coming down, I think. There is no.

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It's Jim Jefferies like this. And she goes, oh, I love you. You're so funny. And I did. I got away with it. I just slipped it in there. And he's like, did you hear what he just called you? Oh, it's fine with him, she said.

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You've got a gallon. Yeah, you've got a gallon. We have a sink. Why do you have all that liquor too? Yeah, it was just part of my like. Oh, that's leftover from the prom party. Yeah, yeah. We didn't go to Jack's. I wanted to go go to your party but i was out with the wife and

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Junkies down there. No tellies. Please welcome our guest, Jackie Birdsaw. G'day, Jackie. Now it's time to play. Yes tellies. Oh, there. Please welcome our guest, Jackie Birdsaw. G'day, Jackie. Now it's time to play. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no.

Yes, no. Judging a book by its cover. People think it's a book falling over, but the guy who sang it, he didn't take a breath. Oh, wow. He just fell over. All right, Jackie, I can assume you're a minimalist. You have very little decor in your house.

You have a bit of sort of Swedish-looking furniture desk over there. You have one painting with nothing underneath it. You should put a chair there. I'm sitting on the chair. Oh, you moved the chair. You moved the chair. I did. All right, okay, okay.

All right, Jackie, I do know this much that you're friends with kelly so um she's not here to talk about volleyball she's not here to talk about whatever you always guess drinking whatever i always guess drinking um not that college porno okay so here we go uh jackie are you a doctor i am not a doctor well what are we wasting our time on jackie we've had some professionals on this thing you you did notice earlier that it says toyota next to her name on yeah is it but we've done we've done doctor of toyota works for toyota um yeah but that's a hint but it's. It's not cars because we've done cars. We've done cars, but it is associated with cars. Is the topic Asian cars?

Asian cars. Imagine if we put out an episode. Episode 100, Asian cars. Yeah, they use more turbos. They're a bit smaller. No, that's not the topic. It is something to do with cars. It is a good topic, though. Asian cars. Yeah, they use more turbos. They're a bit smaller. No, that's not the topic. It is something to do with cars. It's a good topic though. Asian cars.

Something to do with cars. Is it their admission, car admissions? Admissions or emissions? It's an accent thing. You people are all mean. Yes, it is an accent thing. You're right. Different word.

Okay, something to do with cars. Is it engines? Are we going to talk about engines? Sort of. Not engines, no. Specific type of car. We're not talking about engines, but it has to do with engines. Is it hatchbacks from 1984 to 1995? I don't think you're going to get this,

by the way, but it is a certain way that cars can be propelled. Are we talking about wheels? A certain type of fuel. Is it talking about gasoline? No. Another one. What other ways can you make?

Electric cars. In the family. No, in the family. What do you mean, in the family it we're talking about archie bunker cars yeah okay we're gonna be talking about is that how you want to tell them we're gonna talk about fuel cell electric cars oh you mean hybrids nope fuel so electric that's how fuel you're gonna do bad because you still don't even understand what we're talking about i don't understand what that is either about. I don't know what that is either.

Oh, geez. You never heard of fuel cell? Like what a fuel cell is? No? No. What are you talking about? I'll tell you. I'll tell you. There's electric.

I'll tell you. And then there's hybrid. And then there's fuel ones. On the way to my gig last night... Did they make the Prius? We're talking about Priuses? No. No, no, no.

This might be a short app. On the way to my gig last night i um i was talking to somebody on the phone and they asked me what the podcast i think it was a podcast i was like oh fuel cells and he goes i don't know anything about that and then my uber driver proceeded to tell me everything about like he was well into this so i'll get him in here no i'm not jackie's an expert but i'm just saying so people do know about it. Ask me a question. Jackie Birdsell is the senior engineering manager of the Fuel Cell Integration Group at Toyota Motor North American Research and Development. Birdsell has a degree in mechanical engineering from Kettering University.

And in 2015, she was honored by the Manufacturing Institute as an emerging leader and by the Automotive News as a rising star. You can find her at Twitter at Jackie underscore Birdsaw. That's B-I-R-D-S-A-L-L. And on LinkedIn, Jackie Birdsaw as well. You go all the way down LinkedIn, Jackie Birdsaw. You find out if you want to hire for something. Like for fuel cells. She's got a pretty important job already.

Ask me a question. I don't know. You gave me the LinkedIn. I'm giving it out there. Hey, for birthday parties, something like that. You want to go there?

You read the clowns and she talks about the fuel cells. She'll do it. And so we're going to ask Jim a bunch of questions about fuel cells and fuel cell electric vehicles. And he's going to do terrible, but you're going to rate them zero through 10, 10 being the best on accuracy. And and causing a great amount of confidence. I'm a great amount,

et cetera. We'll add all the scores together. If you get 21 through 30, which I doubt you will brain cell. That means you're smart. 11 through 20 present cell. You don't want to be there. Zero through 10 in cell.

Definitely don't want to be that, but I have a feeling you will be. You're already at a negative five for confidence. Hey, Jim, what are fuel cells? Okay. Next question.

This might help you. How is hydrogen made? Hydrogen, the opposite of oxygen. It's the arch nemesis to oxygen. Hydrogen and oxygen. They always say them. What do you mean it's the opposite? It to oxygen. Hydrogen and oxygen, they always say them. What do you mean it's the opposite? It makes water.

Hydrogen. Fucking hell. I don't know. Like it exists naturally, but there's a way that you can. You get it from the ground. Okay. How is a fuel cell different than a battery? It's not.

Hey, Jim, why fuel cells? What are the benefits? Oh, my God. You use less fuel with a fuel cell than if you use just a normal combustion engine. And so the pluses there are that it actually saves on fuel, which is a natural resource of the earth before it's refined. And we only have a finite amount of fuel on the planet,

so fuel cells are really helping the environment. That sounds good. That was like at the end of uh of um of billy madison when he's like he really nailed the question he's like we're all now dumber and may god rest your soul where are fuel cells used in cars mostly toyotas how many tons of hydrogen are produced per year in the US? Oh, tons of it. Okay.

Here's what you might get. What does zero emissions mean? Zero admissions means that you are putting no carbon into the sky. And nobody was accepted into the college. So a Tesla has zero admissions, but like a Prius would have some admissions. A Tesla has zero admissions, but like a Prius would have some admissions and then like a Nissan Leaf has zero, so forth and so on. And then a fuel cell car can have zero on a good day. On a fuel cell vehicle, only one thing comes out of the tailpipe.

What is it? Joy. Just pure joy comes out of the tailpipe. If it was a tailpipe, it would be air how many miles can a fuel cell vehicle travel on a single charge oh uh 220 how long does the charge take uh depends whether you have the good plug in your in your house you just have a regular plug but if you have the good plug you can charge it up in about 40 minutes are fuel cells dangerous uh yeah really dangerous yeah yeah you want such a cut don't insult fuel cells you wouldn't want to eat one couple more questions there jim two more what does leak before bust mean uh that means when a little bit of pee comes

out of your dick before you make it to the toilet. I think that's right. Okay, last question. Where are fuel cell vehicles? Or your vagina. Or, yeah, that'd be sexist. Where are fuel cell vehicles being utilized the most? On the roads. Okay.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong. Hi, Jackie. You got any LinkedIn requests yet? I haven't checked yet. I'll let you know if I get any good birthday parties. It's not live, so I hope you didn't get any yet. That would be impressive.

How did Jim do in his knowledge of fuel cell electric vehicles? I've seen better. Now get out of here if you don't give them that. Of course you seem better. Are we going to go through? Do we get to score through question by question? No, no, no. We'll go through.

Just on a whole, zero through ten. Okay, overall. All right, all right. Hold on. I was writing down my answers, so I need to average here. I'm an engineer, so I got to do this properly. It's either a zero or a one. Jeez, these cars are going to take a long time to develop.

We'll give you a one and a half overall. How is that possible? Not zero emissions, though. Mainly because you said Joy came out of the tailpipe, and I gave you a 10 for that. That's nice. That's a good advertising. Joy's the dead hooker in the trunk.

That's the end That's a good advertising. Joy's the dead hooker in the trunk. Just seeping through the booth. How do you do on confidence, Kelly? Zero. Wow. Wow. One and a half right now. I don't want to make you an insult, Jim. I'm going to give you 10 just so you're present. None of you would have done better.

That's true. I don't know anything about this. I do. Okay. I'm not great, but yeah, I knew a little bit. Okay. All right. Jackie, what are fuel cells? Jim said, don't know.

Is that correct? You know, that actually is pretty correct. I think for the majority of the population, but for those of us that do know what it is, a fuel cell is a device that combines hydrogen and oxygen to form water but they're not friends byproduct of that reaction is electricity and then we use that electricity to power a vehicle so these are just electric cars it is an electric car that's correct oh well i know about electric cars i know but it's run it's run start again no but it's run you weren't. No, but it's run.

You weren't listening. The fuel cell combines hydrogen and oxygen to form water, but that creates the electricity to power it, whereas your car you plug into the wall and it's using fossil fuel. Why don't you just pour water into it? I don't want to, you know. I know you made this exotic machine to create water, but just get a bottle of Evian and off you go.

Luis has a whole gallon. Well, Evian wouldn't get you very far. Oh, damn. Not a lot of Evian and off you go. Luis has a whole gallon. Evian wouldn't get you very far. Damn. Not a lot of energy density in water, unfortunately. Yeah, your car is using fossil fuel because even though you're using electric. What, the Dodge Hellcat? Sorry, your Tesla is using fossil fuel because you're plugging it in. Well, at your house, actually, you have solar energy,

so you're probably in a pretty good spot. My car is run by the sun, baby. You're in a pretty good spot, but a lot of Teslas or if you were charging somewhere that wasn't your house, a lot of times it's being produced by fossil fuels, but sometimes solar energy too, but this is just purely a hydrogen power, right? So this is better than an electric

car. It is not better than an electric car. They're both electric cars. It's just a different customer experience, right? But if you have to say. Just for shits and gigs. Which one's better? Well, okay.

I drive a Mirai, a hydrogen vehicle, because I need the quick refilling time in the longer range and I don't have a garage to plug in. So in my personal opinion, the Mirai is better because that's the one that. What's the name of this car? It's this one? What is it? It's called the Mirai. It's a Toyota Mirai. better because that's the one what's the name of this car it's this one what is it called the Mirai it's a Toyota Mirai I've never heard of it and then so

this one so I've been listening so you pour the water into it and then what happens clearly you've been listening yeah so you go to a hydrogen station and you knew there was some catch I thought you just drove around and with oxygen went through the front of the car and it made water and then off you go. Because I've had this invention for years, a battery that doesn't need charging, but no one wants to put the effort in to invent it. I think a lot of people have put in the effort to invent the perpetual

motion machine. It's just not successful as of yet. What about watches? Watches you walk and they wind themselves. Why can't you have a car that turns over or just a rat in a fucking wheel like there's got to be something or a rubber band you just wind up i don't think the watch doesn't have to do much more than a rabbit feels good hamster wheel they're very expensive this technology um i mirai is the name of the car that doesn't that mean like future or something it does yeah it's japanese for future there you go so how is hydrogen made then that's an excellent question uh depends on same

with electricity right totally depends on on the local resources so currently the majority of hydrogen is made from breaking the hydrogen off of natural gas. We can use renewable natural gas, biogas to do that, landfill gas. But obviously there is carbon associated with that. So we want to move to 100% renewable generated hydrogen, which would mean we make it similar to your solar cells on your house. We make it from solar, we make it from wind, and then we break the hydrogen off the water. So there's many different ways that we can make that. And how close are you to that?

It's already being done, actually. Most of the hydrogen that we use in the vehicle fleet here in California comes from, or I guess not most, at least 33% of it comes from biogas. 33% of it comes from biogas, but we are moving more towards using solar and wind as we're starting to see more utilities start to increase the amount of solar and wind that they're using. They can't exactly match that demand to the supply, right? Because the wind doesn't always blow when people need electricity. The sun doesn't always shine when people need electricity. So the utilities need some way to store that energy.

And a way that they're doing that is through hydrogen. So you said you had to go to a charging station to do that. Where are these? Because I know where all the Tesla stations are. I've got a Tesla. I have to go do that. Where are these hydrogen fuel cell stations? Where are they?

So you can go on to twitter.com slash Mirai to find out. There's a link to the station map. And then obviously if you drive a Mirai or another hydrogen vehicle, you will have a station map similar to a Tesla vehicle. There's currently about 50 in California. Most of them are in the Bay area or down here in Los Angeles. And the closest one to me is like two miles away. So you can just go on and figure out where the closest one is. And the hydrogen charging stations, they're much more efficient, right? Because it's a really fast charge time, isn't it? Yeah.

So right now they're co-located at traditional gasoline stations. So it looks like a normal gasoline station, but there will be a hydrogen pump there. And then, yeah, it takes five minutes to refill. And the second generation Mirai, the Mirai that we have right now that I drive, gets 402 miles on a fill. So why isn't this kicking? This is obviously better than the electric car, right? Like it is. It's faster to charge.

You get more mileage. The Tesla, you're getting like 300 miles, and then it takes 40 minutes on a fast charge and all that type of stuff, a couple of hours at home. So this sounds like a much better solution. So why isn't this the front runner at the moment? Or is it the front runner? And I've just, it's passed me by.

No, I wouldn't say it's the front runner. You know, it's one of the two zero emission vehicle options that Toyota is pursuing. So, you know, battery electric and fuel cell electric are the only two zero emission. And as I already mentioned, they have very different customer experiences. And some of our customers much rather never go to a public charging station or a hydrogen

fueling station. They just want to charge at home and that's it. We want to make that available. But there's a lot of people who much rather have that quick refill time in the longer range. That's why we're also pursuing fuel cell. The reason why it's not as widely adopted or as well-known is really the infrastructure is more difficult than charging infrastructure.

It's more expensive. There's just not as much knowledge. There's not as much government support for it. So, you know, for example, when we look at the state of California, how much they spent for zero emission vehicle infrastructure in the last few years, out of the entire bucket, only 10% went to hydrogen refueling, whereas the rest of the money went to charging infrastructure. So we're just not seeing a parity of investment in the hydrogen infrastructure the way that we're seeing it in charging infrastructure. But they talk about like, you know, in 10 years, they want to be 90%, you know, off gasoline and just be using cars. And I always think, well, that's really good, but it's good for me because I have a garage, right? And then you have London where 90% of the population of London doesn't have,

anyone has a garage, everyone's street parking. And so I feel like they can't do it, but this seems like a more probable way to do a city like London. Is that correct? Or is it just, am I talking out of my eyes? No, in our opinion, that is exactly correct. This is the vehicle that's meant to meet the needs of these really urban areas where, you know, to your point, there's a lot of street parking. The reason that, again, that I drive a Mirai and not a battery electric vehicle is because I don't have anywhere to charge. And Toyota gave you one.

No, I bought it. That would have been really nice. I would have been loving it. Shout out to anyone at Toyota that's listening to this. If you want to throw a free one, give you 5% off with the ID cat code. IDK, put it in there.

Yeah. So that, I guess that would be why, I mean the convenience, the people that want to charge it in their house, they can't do that with the hydrogen. That's right. Yeah.

It's probably the same in Japan because didn't you spend a lot of time in japan i would assume that they have the kind of the same or like city living um infrastructure there as well that's right yeah and that was um you know i was i was working at headquarters in japan on the second gen mirai and i was there one day and we were at a station in tokyo which obviously is very dense. Right. And I was watching, you know, a Toyota come in and a Honda come in and a Toyota come in like every five minutes, one filling after another and driving off. And I'm like, this is something we can't do with charging right now. Right. And it makes so much sense.

So it was, that was really for me when it clicked, when I, when I thought, okay, this is, this is, if we want to really talk about getting to a fully zero-emission fleet, we need both of these technologies to get us there. Do they have the same speed? The good thing about the Tesla is it goes full torque right away. That's too fast, the Tesla. Yeah. Oh, no, it's very fast.

Yeah, it's very fast. The inertia, 2.4 seconds in my one man. That hurts my brain. Yeah, for 60 miles an hour. Is the speed the same? No no we did not benchmark a tesla we're not trying to be a sports car we're toyota so toy's got some hella good i just said hella good um it's got some good sports cars man yeah we do but that's not what we were going for with this mirai so i mean it is peppy it still is a all electric it's an electric motor so you still get that really great response you know that smooth drivability um you know the as you said the maximum torque at zero rpm essentially right so uh you do get that

that nice responsive electric motor but no we are not going for tesla what is what is their craziest speed called uh no it's called Ludicrous. Ludicrous. Yeah. For real? Yeah. My car's set to Ludicrous. Yeah.

It hurts my brain. I can see that. They're just ripping off space balls. That's awesome. You should do that. I think we should too. Yeah. You should have a sports car model.

It doesn't even have to be a two seat. Make it be like a big Toyota, like those people movers with a sliding door, but it goes hell for leather. I love that idea. I'm all for a fuel cell Sienna. Are you going to bring out a fuel cell Bronco? I cannot speak to our future product lineup. That's Ford.

That's Ford. Oh, yeah, don't do that. That's Ford. Yes, that's right. Are you going to do a RAV4? Are you going to do that as Ford. Yes, that's right. It was the one. We probably have to pay a lot of money to get that. Are you going to do a RAV4? Are you going to do that? That was very popular.

I don't sell those in America anymore. I think it's the 4Runner here. What? The RAV4 is our most popular vehicle. Oh, wait. What was the one that stopped? I don't remember. Oh, that was a Suzuki.

Sorry. Yeah, Corolla. That was a Suzuki. Yeah. So I would like to be able to just fill it a gas. It like that. It's the same amount of time it's filling as gas. Like five minutes is longer than gas,

but it's not, it's not really. It depends. Five minutes is if your tank is, it depends on how empty your tank is, but yeah. You're filling your tank. It's very close.

I'm saying it's not the same. You gotta get beef jerky, you know? Yeah. I don't. Yeah. That was a slow pump the other day. The pumps are really slow lately, it feels like.

Here's my question. At the end of it, when you're filling it with hydrogen, does it go really slow like fossil fuel? Because if you get it to go really fast at the end, I mean. At the end, do you rattle it in the hole? Yeah. Get the last bit of hydrogen. It actually, pretty much, I mean,

the mass flow rate of the hydrogen does decrease near the end of the fill. And the engineering reason why is that the gas, it's a pressurized gas. So as the pressure in your tank of your vehicle increases, the pressure at the station decreases, they start to equalize. And so you don't have as high of a flow rate as you would if there was. Can you smoke a cigarette next to it while you do it? You can, I wouldn't recommend it. I know.

If you're cool, you'll do it. There's postage signs everywhere saying don't smoke, but it is what we call a hydrogen-tight environment. So the station checks for leaks throughout the fill and makes sure that hydrogen isn't being leaked. Can you throw a cigarette into the gas pump hole? Is it a blow-up or is it all good? Into the gas pump hole.

You know what? I can't think of a way you could throw. With your fingers? No, I think it's different than what you're thinking. So it's just a plug. It's a plug. There's not a hole. Have you ever used like a quick connect? Like an air quick connect, compressed air quick connect?

Yeah, it's got the seal. Just like that. Yeah, when you connect and like... But probably most likely not recommended to do it. Back in the day, you could smoke in front of anything. Smoke on airplanes. A plane never caught on fire. Not one was burning in the sky where you went,

ah, someone was smoking up there. They also say you're supposed to turn your car off when you fill your car with gas, but I never have in the entire time I've been... What? You leave your car? Why would you do that? I haven't blown up since. Yeah, but what? No, that really doesn't...

Just fuck the thing. What's the convenience? Not turning my car off. That's the easiest thing in the world. It's just a button. I don't have a button. I have to put a key in. It's a lot of work. That'll be a good way to go. Don't do that.

She died doing what she loved. I'm a shit me die. You leave your car running while you fill it up. I mean, I've been driving for 20 years. I didn't put it into park. I wouldn't if I could. I was just driving by. The drive-thru service.

How is a fuel cell different than a battery? Jim said it's not. They're a type of battery. You know, that's interesting that you say that because it is an electrochemical device. In that sense, it is like a battery. But instead of the energy being

stored within the fuel cell the way it's stored within a battery the energy is stored in the hydrogen and then the the fuel cell itself is just used to create the electricity by combining the hydrogen from the tank with the oxygen from the air so yeah yes yes and no and we've already touched on the main the key difference which is that you refill it with hydrogen it takes five minutes it creates the electricity on board instead of storing it in a battery and we we talked about this a little bit like why fuel cells what are the benefits jim said you use less fuel pluses are this was that answer but uh that was actually a good answer because it's been used less fuel because it's more efficient than an internal combustion engine and that is correct um the

pluses are that it saves on fuel, which is a natural resource. Only a finite amount of fuel on the planet. Which is also correct. I think I gave him a six on that one. Wow. You have a weird scoring system. Negative 10 on the next one. Are the hydrogen cell engines,

how big are they compared to like a normal car engine? Oh, that's a good question um man for ours i would say almost equivalent okay i would say yeah this is big are they four engines like one on each wheel or are they uh just a single engine uh it's one fuel cell engine that's creating the electricity and then in our particular vehicle, we have a rear wheel drive electric motor, but you can have multiple electric motors, right? You can add more wires and send the electrons wherever you want. We also make class eight semi-trucks now where we've taken two of the fuel cell stacks and use them to power

class eight semi-trucks running around ports of LA and Long Beach to try to clean up the local air quality there. Oh, cool. But those ones, the fuel cells, are smaller than the diesel engines. So when you see the two compared side by side, you know, the Kenworth diesel engine versus our fuel cell electric stacks that are now in the Kenworth trucks, they're actually smaller in comparison.

Yeah, I'm looking at it. It's not a bad-looking car either. I'm looking at the... It's got a... Not a bad-looking car. No, but sometimes... Look at I'm looking at the, it's got a, not a bad looking car, but sometimes, sometimes, like it's a little bit,

you know, it's nice. Yeah. It's like the second gen. You should look at the first generation and tell me what you think. Oh, really? That one looks like Fred Flintstone's car.

Oh yeah. No, it's good. That's, that's what I thought it was going to was gonna look like they always make they always make the trunk oh that's what that is i was wondering what that car was it looks like a little like a weasel the first one but the second one looks really sporty it looks nice yeah yeah what's got a little nose there in the front oh my god but i but I, but so, and yeah, so this, and yeah.

All right, cool. How much do they cost? Uh, what are they running right now? 57, 500, I believe without,

uh, before any incentives, they do come with a $15,000 fuel card. So you, you get free hydrogen for up to $15,000 or three years. Um, how much does it cost to fill it up normally? Because you know, people.

Right now it's about $60 for a fill up. Okay. That's not very reasonable. I think this is the first time it's cheaper than gasoline. Yeah. All right. Shit. I need to get them right. Is there anyone besides Toyota that has these available? Yes. Well, Honda just finished their production run. So there I rumor is they're working on their next generation of vehicle.

I can't speak to Honda, but they did have the Honda clarity. Hyundai also has their Tucson. So they have a SUV, a small SUV style fuel cell electric vehicle. So how many tons of hydrogen are produced per year in the US? Jim said tons. And he's right, but the real number is 10 million. 10 million tons. You're right. That's loads.

You didn't write on this, Jim. That's heaps of tons. So 10 million tons? Yep, and it's interesting because a lot of people think- Are we running out of that? Are we running out of it? Will we ever run out of it? No.

That's the beauty of hydrogen, right? Is that it's a renewable resource. Yeah, but that's what we said about gasoline. That's what we said about petroleum. We said, ah, there's tons of it. Don't worry about it. But those aren't renewable. Yeah, I don't know.

And actually, do you know what we use most of our hydrogen for? Balloons. That would be helium. Not the way I do it. I just like them sitting on the floor. Yours are flammable. It's for the petrochemical industry. So it's used to

crack crude oil to make gasoline. It's used to make toothpaste. It's used to make tempered glass. It's used to make toothpaste. It's used to make tempered glass. It's used to make all kinds of things. So we have hydrogen pipelines running all over. Actually, most of them are in Texas. We already have hydrogen trucks. You'll see a truck now on the freeway that says hydrogen on the side if you're paying attention. So we already have the infrastructure there to move 10 million metric tons around the United States and produce it domestically. What we don't have is those dispensers that physically get the gas into the vehicles.

So that's America's got seems to have it sorted or on their way to having it sorted. Is there pushbacks from other countries that don't have the infrastructure at all to do this? Yeah, yeah, we definitely I mean, I would say, Europe, UK, US, Japan, all the countries that you would really expect are the ones that have a leading edge on the hydrogen forefront. But you're right. There are definitely a lot of countries. Like in India. Are they doing it in India? Are they moving forward?

They're working on hydrogen buses there. Right. Yeah. So hydrogen buses are a pretty big thing right now in India. But yeah, trying to build the infrastructure obviously is a pretty

daunting task. But so is making electrical infrastructure that can really fully transition the entire grid. We have to start somewhere. Right.

That's right. Let's take a hammer back. Use your honey code on that Toyota. Where are fuel cells used? Jim said in cars, mostly Toyotas. Is there other places fuel cells are used besides cars? I think that was where he also got a 10 just because I like that answer.

No, they're used, I mean, in all kinds of things. Again, one of the beauties of fuel cells is that they're super scalable. So they can be small enough to power a phone, large enough to power a building, anything in between. It's just a matter of putting more fuel cell stacks together and then storing that energy in hydrogen. So really, when you're looking at large scale applications, that's where hydrogen and fuel cell makes a lot of sense. So like rail, marine, our class A trucks.

You couldn't do a plane though, right? Not yet. You know, not yet. Not yet. Jet fuel is really hard to compete with how big is a fuel cell uh so ours is um what is ours now i'm gonna forget the exact number 213 kilowatts i think um and it's a small briefcase small briefcase right yeah and can that can you make them bigger and smaller and like they're not a standard size. They can be enlarged.

Exactly. Exactly. So you just add more fuel cells to what's called a fuel cell stack, and that will give you as much power as you need. And you can go anywhere from like kilowatts to megawatts. Right. Just depending on how many fuel cells you have stacked together. And so zero emissions. Jim said that means fuel cell can have zero emissions on a good day, but I'm assuming the hydrogen fuel cells as we already touched on that has to do with where you're getting your fuel what we call welter wheels so you can't really consider i mean

there's no way to decouple it right now just because it would be too hard to do but that's why we need to go to a 100% decarbonized grid and decarbonized hydrogen so that our vehicles are truly zero emission right so that there is no carbon associated with either making the hydrogen or making the electricity that goes into your vehicle. Well, see, there's people who argued against electric cars saying that sometimes the lead or something that was in the batteries that cost more fossil fuels to actually get that to make the battery and all that type of stuff.

Is that bullshitting people from the fuel business trying to debunk the efficiency of electric cars or is that something we're trying to improve or what's what's going on there uh you know that's a really complicated but but important question um you know like social politically where do you get the materials that are going into the batteries um they are a precious metal right so it is you do have to consider where you get them. It was nickel, right? It's nickel, not lead. I said lead, but what's the metal? It could be, right now, most of it's like lithium, the stuff that's going into making the chips.

So at Toyota, we do what's called a cradle to grave analysis for our vehicles as well, which is We do what's called a cradle-to-grave analysis for our vehicles as well, which is not only the carbon that goes into making the fuel and driving the vehicle. It's the carbon that goes into and the precious metals that go into building the vehicle. And then at the end of life, how recyclable is it? Can we reuse the batteries? So we have big programs right now to reuse our hybrid batteries. now to reuse our hybrid batteries. But that's one of the reasons why we think plug-in hybrid and hybrid is still so important because a lot of our customers can drive zero emission if they're plugging in their plug-in hybrid at home and they drive less than like 20, 40 miles a day, right? They're still going to be just using that small battery, but it's a lot smaller of a battery than

what we see in these 300 mile range battery electric vehicles. So you don't need a huge battery to drive zero emission. You can have a plug-in hybrid and just use that smaller battery. So that's kind of where we see this optimization of battery size, material requirements. That's really where the plug-in hybrids are so essential to get us to at least start towards these decarbonization goals. I reckon we should all go just for those electric go-karts and we should all be low to the ground and whizzing around. Yeah, we can flip. I've seen

it, man. I saw it like in Tokyo, people doing Mario karts and driving on the main roads, just all dressed as bloody Yoshi, you know, that type of shit. It was good and it's a lot of fun and you can get there. Yeah, but if you had to drive like 700 miles. No, this is just for short trips, Forrest. This is your city car. This is just to work and back. It's like in those communities. It's like a city bike, yeah.

Or those older communities where everybody drives a golf cart. The villages. Yeah. That sounds dope, but you have to be rich to live in one of those communities. Or Dodgem cars. Original Dodgems.

Bumper cars. Dodgem cars? Do that. Those Bumper cars. Dodgem cars? Dodgem cars. Do that. Do that. Those things we all bump into each other. Get out of it. You're meant to go in the same circle.

Parallel parking would get a lot easier. Yeah, you just leave it in the street. See where your car's bumped up to when you get out of the shop. I got bumped a whole block. On a fuel cell vehicle, only one thing comes out of the tailpipe. What is it? Jim said joy. And he's right.

And water because the hydrogen and oxygen combine H2O form water. Water is water. Can you drink it? I also don't recommend doing that because it is an open tailpipe to the ground. And so road dirt stuff get in there, but no, you wouldn't, you wouldn open tailpipe to the ground and so road and dirt stuff get in there. You wouldn't drink it from the ground.

You could put your mouth over it. The tailpipe's going to have some stuff in it, maybe. I'm not going to recommend it. When the car's brand new off the factory floor, can you drink it? He's like, I just want to know, can I suck the tailpipe once in my life? Alright, can you fuck it? It's called a tail rip.

How much water is coming out though? Is it like gushing out or is it like, don't take gushing. That's what you just drive it around. It's just like a fire hose. Yeah. Just drops in it. You can,

you can, you can splash the person behind you. If person behind you if you're going what we call wide open throttle. This is getting good. Is there a danger of making the road slippery and that being a danger? And also, here's the thing. Have you heard of rain? Yeah, I know, but you know that it's rain.

You know the roads are wet. The environment that you're traveling in is something like the worst time to drive is just after it rains and there's all the oil on the street and all that type of stuff. Right. And you should know that as a driver, but if you're just driving along and you're like, I didn't know there was a puddle shooting at the back, like a James Bond car, right? Oil slicks. Oh, they should have little turtle shells come out.

It's changed the way you bring up your children now, because people can't hear cars driving along the streets. It's not like us where you play in the street, you heard a car, you got off the street. And now, even when I'm backing out in my car, I have to be ultra careful. I'm always careful, but I'm super careful with the Tesla because I know it doesn't make a sound. And if somebody's crossing behind, is there sort of, because there has been a lot of danger with that, could you just put a sound in? Like just where the, not where the car goes,

like that, or just like a little brum, brum, brum, brum, brum. Just a little noise. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Are you doing that? Yeah. Yes. And we do that in most of our hybrids as well.

We have a, I think it's below, I don't know the exact miles per hour, but I think it's like below five miles per hour or something like that, that it does that low, that sound. Oh, I've heard that. It's a pedestrian notification sound because, yeah, when you're going slow, right, it's so quiet. Nobody can hear you. Well, I want to give my services. I'm a mildly famous comedian.

I think I could work for Toyota and it would just be me going, I'm driving, everyone. Be careful. I'm driving. Driving. I'm only going slowly, but I can still hurt, I'm driving, everyone. Be careful. I'm driving. Driving. I'm only going slowly, but I can still hurt you. Come on, everyone. Out of the way. Saving the planet here, people.

Yeah, you should be able to buy different sounds. Instead of ringtones, you buy your own little car sounds. Back in the day, I don't know if that would be fun or incredibly annoying. Back in the day, I don't know if that would be fun or incredibly annoying. Back in the day, I voiced for TomTom. I voiced one of the voices on your satellite navigation system. No, really? And it was Mr. T had one.

I don't know if anyone bought mine. This was way back in the day. And I got paid like peanuts for it. And they said I'd get a royalty. And I don't think anyone ever bought it. But it was literally me like, turn left, turn right. You've reached your destination, you cunt. Bit of fun. I just want to say, I looked up a video to try and see how much water was coming out

and I found a Forbes magazine article where a guy's test driving the car and he says he drank the water out of the exhaust. Wow, don't tell me. He has a glass. He goes, the best part though is this car outputs nothing but water, which I had a little drink of the car's exhaust. It was pretty pleasant water, too. No nasty taste, just a clear, refreshing drink. Wow. So it was a brand new car, though. And then I could be like, she's drinking the water, everyone.

Talk to your people at Toyota. You got a spokesperson right here. It's not for every car. People could choose their celebrity. I would be cheap. I would be cheap. I would be cheap. How much? $200 for the Jim Jefferies package?

$200 extra on the car, on the package to get the me. But you'd get some other voices as well. Are you doing a buyout? Like you just one time or you get a piece? No, I'll get 20 bucks for that. I'll get 10%. That's not bad. Yeah, 20%, 10% of the thing.

Why are you doing that voice though? Why would you do your normal voice? No, because I'm panicking because we're driving around, everyone. Jerry Seinfeld, Jim Jefferies. Oh, no. When they're driving in there, and joy. Joy.

That's how you would be. I'd be like, look at me squirting everywhere all over the road. I'm gushing. Brum, brum, brum, brum, brum. I'm turning left. This is a good commercial for the Mirai. Let me merge, please.

We talked about how far it travels on a single charge. It's 500 miles, right? 402 miles is the EPA range, yeah. But recently we actually set the Guinness Book World Record. I think it was 800 and something. Yeah, but that's on a flat surface with no cars in front of you on a perfect day of temperature where you're not driving like an idiot.

It was in LA traffic. Oh, I have had electric cars wherever they are. 300 miles, you get to 180. wherever they are. 300 miles. You get to 180 and then like same with phones and your battery. This phone has five days battery. My fucking ass it does. There's one fucking game of Angry Birds and a couple of texts and I'm done.

I got to plug the car in again. No, I don't believe that. Does Toyota have the longest range right now or the other ones? On the Guinness Book, yeah, of world records. Oh, well, if the good people at Guinness, the beer company, say so. Everyone got drunk. Yeah, that was invented for bar arguments, the Guinness Book of Records. I learned that from the guy.

The Guinness Book of Records guy that was there. So Guinness brought it out as a promo thing that they would put things in there. So when people said, how long do you reckon is the biggest whatever, people could get the book from Guinness that Guinness brought it out as a promo thing that they would put things in there. So when people said, how long do you reckon this is the biggest whatever, people could get the book from Guinness that Guinness had given them, and they could go, well, actually, it was the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, it's really associated with Guinness the beer. It's from Guinness. Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. I didn't know that. That's awesome. Dinner party fact. It's like how Michelin star comes from a tire company. Tire company. Hello, Mr. Mr.

Mr. Simpson. Our fuel cells dangerous. What'd you say, Jim? Yeah. No, you said,

Oh yeah. Our fuel cell dangerous. Yup. Are they dangerous? They are not. So the fuel cell itself, there's no ignition, right? There's no spark. So you're combining hydrogen and oxygen, but you're combining it in the absence of any ignition source. So you're good there. As far as the hydrogen tank, same thing. It's just hydrogen and it's highly compressed, right? It's at pressure. So oxygen actually can't even get in there if it wanted to, because it'd be fighting too much pressure. pressure. So oxygen actually can't even get in there if it wanted to, because it'd be fighting too much pressure. And then also the tanks themselves are there. They follow what's called the global technical regulation. And this was kind of cool. It was actually something that all the automakers did when we were like, okay, we want to build hydrogen fuel cells.

We know it's going to be expensive. It's a new technology, right? Any new technology is expensive. So how do we make this less expensive? Okay. We have a global regulation where if your tanks comply with this regulation, it works for all these different countries across the world. Saudi make this less expensive okay we have a global regulation where if your tanks comply with this regulation it works for all these different countries across the world and so that includes things like putting the tanks on a bonfire dropping them from a crane shooting them with guns all these different type of tests to make sure that the tanks maintain their integrity throughout the life of the vehicle and so that's what our tanks are that's what did you have the mythbusters guys do that?

That just sounds like Mythbusters. It feels like it's a lot of fun. It feels like Mythbusters. Yeah, but they do go into landfill and that's dangerous for the planet. So they are a little bit dangerous. I think I remember hearing about this. The planet's overpopulated and we need space and the fuel cells are taking up somewhat of that space.

Right. Danger. What does. I don't think any of our fuel cells have gone into landfill yet, but I'll double check. I'll fact check that. All right. Look,

Hey, I'm thinking about my children's children. You might be thinking about now. I'm a forward thinker. I don't have any children. They're showing off. You look like a forward thinker. They're showing off one of the,

one of the hydrogen. I was at like Disneyland long, long time ago. And they're showing off a Hummer that was using fuel cell technology. They're like, yeah, water comes out the back. They go,

the problem is they're not widespread yet because they have the tendency to blow up. Like, okay, we understand why this isn't out there. I'm glad they figured that out. But that was the, that was at least what I was hearing.

And I feel like that's what's helping to perpetuate it and not going into a full scale is like misinformation about a fuel cell car. Do you get misinformation? Are the petroleum people angry at you? And do they try to put out some fake news about what you're doing? I'm going to avoid that question. Oh, wow. Somebody.

That's why they stole all of her furniture. She was giving up too much information. I think she's allowed to say it. What does a leak before? I will say, yeah, I have seen. I've not seen any purposeful misinformation campaigns unless, of course, you count climate change in general. That doesn't exist.

You're right. Yeah, right. But yeah, I have seen where certain policies have been blocked. That would have really helped us. What does leak before bust mean? Jim says that's when a little bit of pee comes out of your dick before you make it to the toilet. Or your vagina. Actually, it's leak before burst, but

I guess you could assume the same. Same answer. I'm bursting, I'm busting, I'm busting to go to the toilet, I'm bursting to go to the toilet.

It both work. Leak before bust is pre-cum. Leak before burst is pee. Leak before bust. Yeah, because you bust a nut.

Oh, okay. Leak before bust. Get your head in the gutter, man. Leak before bust is okay leak before bust get your head in the gutter man leak before bust is when you're just about to have a tit fuck with you okay what's there a saying Jackie

I'm an edgy comedian related to the hydrogen tanks what that means is that you know like in Hollywood there's you know these shoot out the hydrogen tank and it that means is that, you know, like in Hollywood, there's, you know, these shoot out the hydrogen tank and it explodes. The tanks are actually required by regulation that they have to leak hydrogen before they rupture. And so that's part of the regulation is that when they go through these

extreme testing, it fails if it ruptures. So that's why it's called leak before burst. Happened to me in the golf course the other day. So, and then the last question was kind of like wait that sounds like a story yeah it's not a long story piss myself that's just why you're in a golf course you can pee anywhere i did that's the thing you can pee anywhere thank you for that.

And with last question, we asked about where they're being utilized the most, he said on the roads, but like, and we didn't ask this, but as us a leader in this, and, but basically what's preventing it from being even more widespread, kind of what Jim was talking about at the beginning.

Seems like this would catch on. Yeah. I mean, I've been working at it for, for coming up on 20 years now so i was hoping to see it more to see since you were five oh thank you thank you um so yeah i would love to be so proud of himself i know how to talk to lady um yeah i mean really it's all about the infrastructure getting those dispensers in

the ground and you know it was originally there was this mistrust of of you know are the automakers really going to bring the cars who's going to pay for the dispensers you know and then the government was trying to figure out how much money to give to chargers how much money to give to hydrogen dispensers and so it just yeah i think i think really the just the dispensers. And so it just, yeah, I think really just the dispensers themselves are the biggest stopgap to getting us there. How many years away from you guys being widespread where you're having like a market share, a large market share? I mean, we are the market leader in fuel cell.

I know, but I mean overall cars. Now we're talking about like fuel cells in general, like this kind of becoming. Before this becomes, how long before I can do a podcast the market leader in fuel cell. I know, but I mean overall cars. Now we're talking about fuel cells in general. How long before I can do a podcast on this and just go, yeah. Yeah, duh. It depends on where you live. I think we're going to see it first in states that have regulations that support hydrogen

and fuel cells. An example of this is we built hydrogen stations in the East Coast getting ready to launch the Mira in the East Coast only to find out that the state of Massachusetts still had a regulation. I'll ask it differently. When does it get to Alabama? When does this get to Alabama? Oh, gee. 2035. I have no idea. I wish I had that crystal ball.

So like the green new deal or whatever, if that were passed, I would assume that there would be money in there to provide infrastructure for things like this. Is that correct? Yeah. Actually, the infrastructure bill has made $9.5 billion available for hydrogen. has made $9.5 billion available for hydrogen. So we're seeing new players enter the market. It's a very crazy, exciting time to be a part of this because this might be finally the push that we needed. We previously never had really any federal support. And so now to finally have that,

we think that's something that will help get us all up to speed and build out the infrastructure that we need. Is there a chance that you're the person who has the arm from Terminator where these machines will turn on us at some stage? And even though you think you're doing something good, you might be ruining mankind. I'm going to have to say no. That movie is terrifying to me.

So I think I would see it if there was any evil in our vehicles. Will you make Terminators that can run off full food cells? Don't even make this sound. Oh, it's so creepy. I just called them food cells. They gave me nightmares. That movie gave me nightmares.

For like a month. Are you a Jackie? She's not sleeping. Miss Berthold. Are you Jackie? She's not sleeping. I am Toyota Mirai. Miss Bertall. Dude, I want one now. Yes. All right.

Yeah, because I would think I also meant right now everyone's like gas is expensive. Gas expensive. It seems like, gosh, they're right. Yeah. But I mean, this would be great to be pushing this like now like that would be you know yeah yeah and actually we have seen we've seen a big increase and i'm going off a lot so have you ever thought of simplifying the name so dumb people like me will go ah just call them water cars water cars good yeah water cars well they might

they might think it's like that duck boat thing It's a duck boat it's already got a name That's a good point Stupid Jack I'll stop talking Alright so this is part of our podcast called Dinner Party Facts We ask our guests to provide us with a fact that's obscure

interesting that our audience can use to impress people at a dinner party, a bar, wherever this subject might come up. Fuel cell cars comes up a lot at dinner parties. That might actually came up in my Uber yesterday. And I wish I would have had a dinner party. Because you were talking about it. No, I know.

But no, I said it. You know, a topic came up that I was speaking about the other day. No, no, no, no, no. But what I'm saying is. That's like when your mom said, oh, I was with somebody and they were like, I love comedy. I love Jim Jefferies. I love Jim Jefferies. Do they bring it up?

No, they just brought it up out of the blue with an elderly woman in an x-ray room. I don't know if you know this or not, but that is how topics come up. If somebody mentions them, how else would they come up? Just organically? Yeah, but you knew it was coming up because you brought it up. No. It can come up all day for you if you want. I know, but that's how all they come up? Just organically? Yeah, but you knew it was coming up because you brought it up. No. It can come up all day for you if you want. I know, but that's how all topics come up.

All topics have to be brought up by somebody. You know I was brought up 15 times. No, no. Hey, you know what came up the other day? How handsome I am. This guy just kept on mentioning it. No, that's different. In fact, if a topic comes up, someone has to mention it.

How else does it come up? Yeah, but another person besides you has to mention it. Yep. No, they don't. Who's on first? No, they don't have to. Someone else has to. I'm bringing up the topic.

Yeah, I thought he woofed it at me. I'm about to bring up this topic here. Fuel cells. Hi, Jackie. What do you got for us? Dinner party fact. What just happened? I don't even know what the question is.

Nobody does. Okay. Dinner party. Okay. dinner party fact what just happened i don't even know what the question nobody does okay dinner party um okay this is this is me being the nerd that i am but i think this is pretty cool so the vehicles themselves have right next to the receptacle where you fill them they have an infrared transmitter and the station in the nozzle has an infrared receiver and the vehicle actually talks to the station while you're filling and tells the station what temperature the tank is and how full the tank is so that you can get a complete fill as quickly as you can and that's pretty cool because that's not something that you see on a gasoline vehicle so the government can hear what i'm doing with these things it's 5g man

it's 5g it's all coming in. Does it know what flavor beef jerky I like? Not yet. The answer is all of them. That's incorrect. I don't like teriyaki. What he does is he gets all of them and he does them like a vine. Puts them together. It's called a jerky twist.

Have you had the smoked pepper crack corn? I don't know any other flavors of beef jerky. I just went with pepper and I don't know. I don't like teriyaki. Barbecue? I don't know. I don't know any other flavors of beef jerky. I just went with pepper and I don't know. What's another, I don't like teriyaki barbecue. I don't know. I actually don't know any flavors.

What's the website where we can find out where the charging stations are? Uh, toyota.com slash Mirai. Okay. And how do you spell Mirai? M I R A I. Okay. Can these cells be used for more than cars?

Could you make a Slurpee machine? Absolutely. We've had a fuel cell make a pizza oven before. Oh, hell yeah. What, make the pizza or make the oven? Well, it made the pizza. It powered the oven. It's water pizza, too.

You're making Terminators, Dave. So you could actually, you know, you mentioned it too before. It could be, it could power a house too if you had the Yeah. All right. Well, Jackie, thank you for being here. It's Jackie Birdsaw on Twitter at Jackie

underscore Birdsaw on LinkedIn. LinkedIn, Jackie Birdsaw. Yeah. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. There's so many charging stations around me. I'm getting them. Are there a lot around here?

Yes. Yeah. There's a first gen ones right now are super inexpensive. So like they have a different name. What are the brand names? It depends on the station. Some are first element. Some are shell.

Yeah. Different. All right. Well, thank you for being on the station. Some are First Element. Some are Shell, Iwatani. Yeah, different. All right. Well, thank you for being on the podcast, Jaggi. We learn a lot. If you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and goes, ah, jeez, this pizza's wood fire. They could never make it out of food cells. Food cells?

They'd call them food cells. Let's start over. I don't know about that. And walk away. Good night, Australia.