I Don't Know About That - Game Shows

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Even though Jim is the host of his own game show, The 1% Club, he still may not totally all the drama that has plagued the history of game shows. Our expert Mike Miley (www.mikemiley.com) leaves nothing up to chance and tells us what's what. ADS: BETTER HELP: Visit BetterHelp.com/IDK today to get 10% off your first month.

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Both are inevitable. Both are no good. Both are no good. I might know about that. I know about both of those things you do i've met people who've died and i've uh i always pay me taxes so yeah i do know about those if you if you did an episode on taxes and death i'd have a bit of information to give you they'd both be angry bits of information none of them would be joyous no No one likes when someone dies. And some people. When Hitler died, people were happy, weren't they?

Yeah, I think we were pretty happy. Well, some people weren't. Oh, no. Some people weren't. But Hitler, he wasn't, probably. He probably was having a shit day. Yeah. How was Canada?

No Hitler. No Hitler. Yeah. It was good. Yeah, Canada was wonderful. The people were good Canadian folks. They always come out. I've got to give credit where credit's due.

Good on you, Canada. You're always sharp. You're always a good crowd. You never give me any shit. All the cities? All the cities. All Canada's good. Montreal.

Sudbury. Montreal's coming up. No, no. I just did them? You've done them. They went all right. There's that one guy in Sudbury. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. No, yeah, you did two runs of Canada. We're all right. You that one guy in sudbury yeah i don't know no yeah you did two two runs of canada we're all right you've definitely done one you've done both i just i just did a run i tell you what it's a hard country to get around it's not it's not an easy flyable country canada everything has no cars thunder bay you can't even like get a car to pick you up from the airport they're like nah our normal car service i emailed them you up from the airport. They're like, nah. Our normal car service, I emailed them. We have no limo service. They're like, this Jonas doesn't work on Tuesdays.

I got an email. But it's Thursday. Oh, any day with a T. I got an email from the limo company going, yeah, so there's no, our partners don't work here. Are you okay if a 2017 silver Kia Sorento picks them up? As they pick you up. They just hire some random dude. We know a guy. Are you okay if a 2017 silver Kia Sorento picks them up? That's what I picked, yeah. I was like, they just hire some random dude. We know a guy.

You got shows coming up. You got a show in Thousand Oaks, October 5th. Thousand Oaks. I think that one's, if not sold out, very, very close to being sold out. So if you want to come to Thousand Oaks. October 6th, Oakland, California. October 7th, Anaheim, California. Anaheim.

We added a show. One show sold out. The other one's not sold out just yet. But come along. I don't know how Oakland's going, but come along. But I do know that Thousand Oaks is all I sold out. And then October 19th, you're in Cincinnati and the 20th and 21st, Chicago. The good city is Cincinnati and Chicago, my kind of town.

Yeah. There's two shows in Chicago. One is all sold out. One is not close to being sold out. Get out there, Chicago. my kind of town yeah there's two shows in Chicago one is one is is all sold out one is not close to being sold get out there Chicago so come out

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I get in trouble. Yep. Not here. Yeah, get Clayton's book. Oh, um and also i just wanted a little housekeeping we i had an expert uh from a few years ago reach out and say that one of our listeners went to their personal business page and left a one-star review because and the review said heard them on the podcast they seemed nice enough but i didn't like they didn't like the answers basically that they

gave and gave a one star review don't fucking do that you're making us look bad it's rude don't do it don't tell them don't don't do that tell them be nice yeah be nice to our guests it's hard enough to get people to come on here be nice

so stupid um anyway speaking of uh people people like bad comments have left about bad bad comments have left about forest hey i'll be in where am i gonna be mic drop healthiest man alive october 13th and 14th october 13th and 14th. San Diego. Mic drop. Please come out to those shows. And then October 19th I'll be at the Orlando Improv.

One night only. What's with your different shades of blue today? It's a laundry day. Rainbow. I just had a hat. You have a laundry day. Do you have an actual day for it?

I just need to do laundry. I just need to do laundry. I find it weird that we've got to have a laundry day. But go to forestshaw.net. San Diego and Orlando a few of those areas, come out in October.

I have shows. Oh, also, another person. We saw him on the way out. Our good buddy Joe Bartnick. Special is out. He was our hockey expert, but he's also a very funny comic, and it's called... Killing in Chicago. Killing in Chicago.

So check out his special as well. Pew, pew. Pew. All right. Let's meet our guest. Please welcome our guest, Mike Miley. G'd g'day mike miley now it's time to play yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no maybe don't know i don't know anything hello hello mike molly you have a poster of Flight of the Conchords behind you I do that's

right is it Flight of the Conchords because I know a little bit I know the Flight of the Conchords I've met both of them several times is it Flight of the Conchords oh no I wish that would be awesome but unfortunately no no one of them is extremely nice the other one's kind of evil no they're both very nice guys. Okay, so it's not Flight of the Conchords, but you're a Flight of the Conchords enthusiast? That won't help you. Yes, yes I am.

So you like Australasian comedy? I do. Yeah, I like Flight of the Conchords and some of those early wacky Peter Jackson movies. Are you trying to ask him if he likes you, Jim? I was, but he doesn't seem to be going down that path. He likes Meet the Furbies.

The Feebles. The early one. Have you ever seen Meet the Feebles? I don't know what you're talking about. It's Peter Jackson's first movie and it's like a whole lot of puppets that just fuck each other. Before lord of the rings and everything peter jack meet the feebles or something like that sure it's yeah that's right it's a dark movie and it's like mascots and puppets and there's like jizz involved and just it's it's

out there well puppet shows yeah um look within for this topic Look within Is it the human heart? 2N That's 2N Oh I meant this is like This is you Is it the human skeleton?

No this is about you now Is it me? Am I the specialty subject? No but Like in a way Something you do Yeah it's something you do now Is it

Is it shitting yourself? Is it parenting? It is Parenting No it's not Something you do now Kelly it is it shitting yourself is it parenting it is parenting no it's not something you do now killing said talking into microphones you've been doing that for a while yeah yeah in private hitler mustache no you just did it in australia hitler mustache game show hosts yeah we're talking about game shows all right i love game shows. I know lots about game shows. I'm a game show host.

We'll see. We'll see. I do. Because I do my pickups where I have to do for like, most of the time when I do my game show voice is when I'm doing my pickups. And so whenever all the contestants leave the studio, I have to do this. Now it's time for the 40% question. Yeah.

And then I'm like, now it's time for the 50% question. Yeah. And then I'm like, now it's time for the 50% question. And I go like that. I get very game showy in that type of thing. How do you do it when people are there?

I just go, all right, next question. You're like a teacher trying to wrangle the children. If you could watch an unedited version

of the 1% Club. Have you seen the 1% Club? It just won awards in Britain, the British version. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I haven't. Do you know of it?% Club. Have you seen the 1% Club? It just won awards in Britain, the British version. Oh, no, I'm sorry, I haven't. Do you know of it? I do.

It's about to be American version. But I'm the Australian host. And I looked up on Wikipedia and all the different hosts from all over the world. And look, I clicked on all the different hosts, like the German host, the French host, the Israeli host. None of those cunts look funny at all. They all just look like TV presenters.

I'm the only one that looks like I've fallen out the back of a cab. With a Hitler mustache. Perfect. Let me introduce Mike properly. Mike Miley is the author of Truth and Consequences, Game Shows and Fiction and Film. His writing has appeared in TheAtlantic.com, Critique, Literature, Film Quarterly, Music and The Moving Image, and The Smart Set. He can also be seen in the CNN documentary Glitch,

The Rise and Fall of HQ Trivia. And you can find him on Twitter. Says he's not calling an ex. I'm with you, Mike. Twitter at Mike C. Miley. And his website is MikeMiley.com. Thanks for being here Mike. Is HQ, is that that one that we all played online? Yeah, there's a documentary that Mike's in. Oh really? Because it came out and everyone played it for five minutes and then it just left us.

Yeah, that's how I found him. I was watching it on HBO and I was like, alright, I'm going to reach out to him. Yeah, it's on Max. How did it just become a field of interest to you, Mike? I mean, I think it mostly started with being an only child and having an obscene amount of time by myself in the summer to just sit down and watch movies and game shows by myself. So a lot of it kind of stemmed from that. that and then when i i wound up starting to write about an academic article about how different people you have different writers and filmmakers used the game show to talk about family the article kept getting longer and longer and longer and then it was like a third of a book and so i thought well if there's if i can think of a few more things to talk about here i will have enough

for a book and it turns out there's way more to talk about than you can fit into a book. I'm a big game show guy. I'm a big game show guy. My biggest problem is with the show I do, the questions are really long and I'm a terrible reader. If anyone's heard me do ads on this show. And I would have been a good host of Is It Cake? I could have hosted Is It Cake?

Or a game show that I haven't brought out yet, but we're trying to sell it, Fat or Pregnant. Now what happens is someone comes out, right? And I'm not gonna say what sex they are. I think we got it, yeah. I'm not gonna say what sex they are because I don't wanna make this political, right? Of course, it's a game show with one question.

They come out and one question, is it cake? Yep. No, oh yeah, okay, so. It's Fat or Pregnant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't eat too much cake. Was it cake? Ah, is it, yep no oh yeah okay it's battle pregnant yeah yeah was it cake yeah is it was it doesn't matter all right mike i'm gonna ask you if i see that on the channel you stole it from me it's my idea yeah well that'll that'll get you in court that'll be good uh mike i'm gonna ask jim a series of questions about game shows and at the end of his answers you're gonna grade him as accuracy zero through ten of his answers, you're going to grade him on his accuracy, zero through 10, 10 being the best.

Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to do et cetera. We'll add them all together, Jim. Zero through 10, dumber than a fifth grader. 11 through 20, smarter than a sixth grader. 21 through 30, 1% club buddy. Ding, ding, ding. Pregnant.

Okay. What were the first game shows and where did they appear? I'd be bored ofaudable wouldn't I You always say Vaudable I always say Vaudable Vaudable I don't know Okay you're talking on television

Or Cause otherwise I said where did they appear It would have been radio Would have been the first ones It would have been during the Colgate hour Or something like that Do you know any of the names

No there would have been a few of them Let's make a deal. Let's do a thing. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Brought to you by cigarettes. Cigarettes. You enjoy having clean lungs? Cigarettes.

Dirty those guys up. Yeah. Okay, what is considered the first ever televised game show, and when did it air? Televised game show. Televised game show and when did it air uh televised game show televised game show okay so i'm it would have been that it would because you've got it you've got a few different types all right so you've got like do we include like things like the match game which have got like celebrities on it yeah or am i telling the truth or any of those ones, those old ones with Lucille Ball just sitting there smoking,

just, ah, I think that you're a puppet. So it'll be one of those ones. But I can't tell you that. I don't know that. So you don't know the host of the first televised game show either? Merv Griffin. Maybe one or two. Merv Griffin.

Okay. Can you name a few of the earliest popular game shows from the 1950s and 60s? In this country, no. But I can tell you the ones from Australia. That's the ones that I used to watch in the 1950s. Kangaroo Sack. No, it's not.

You had to cut off the kangaroos' balls, and were they real or not, and were they filled with coins? Kangaroo Sack. Okay, we're moving on. How much can a koala bear? It's a bear show. Yeah, I got it. And it's like how many cigarettes you can put out on a koala

before it starts to squeal. Terrible game shows. Australia's brutal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what we used to put on the telly. And the price is right. The game show, there was a game show called The $64,000 Question. It originally appeared on the radio under what title?

Oh, the currency would have changed. It would have been the $6.40 question. But with inflation over the years, it had to go up. Okay. What was the Federal Communications Commission versus american broadcasting company what was that court case about could have that been about the guy that cheated on the jeopardy like show it wasn't jeopardy but he seemed to be getting fed all the answers okay we'll put that in there um which game show host holds the guinness world record for the longest career as a television game show host holds the Guinness World Record for the longest career as a television game show host?

Bob Barker. Okay. Who was the original host of Jeopardy! when it premiered in 1964? 1964. Okay, so Jeopardy! No, it wasn't Trebek then. Trebek would have been... It's not Trebek, I'll tell you that. Yeah, Tre it would have been it's not trebek i'll tell you that

yeah trebek my wife loves trebek my wife fell in love with trebek and then he died like a week later oh she didn't know he was until she my wife's british and i i watch jeopardy every now and again while i'm cooking a meal or something that's like my background type of show what you mean and she's like this guy is delightful she's like oh god, this is the most charming man I've ever met. She said, he gives me faith in the humankind that there's men like him out there. She thought he was wonderful and he died like a month later. Yeah, no, he's universally loved. Yeah, my wife loved him. Okay, so not Trebek. Who is it? Sandra Trebek. Wow. Family business. What was the famous

quiz show scandal and which popular game show was at the center of it? That was the one where the guy was being fed the questions. Do you know the name of it? I don't believe it's Jeopardy, but it was a question and answer game show. It wasn't a pick a box one. I don't know the name of the game show. I've seen the movie.

And how did the quiz show scandal impact the game show industry? They would have brought in legal stuff. They would have brought in adjudicators and things like that where there would have been checks and balances that would have to be met because you're playing an actual game. It's the same as gambling in a casino where the gambling commission can come in

and go, these machines have to pay out this much and all that type of stuff. So on the 1% Club, right, if somebody, because there can be two answers to questions. The famously Cliff Clavin, these people who haven't been in my kitchen, right? So someone will do a,

these people haven't been in my kitchen answer. And then the question will, and they'll put their hand up and I'll be like, yes. And they'll be like, I believe that I have a different, and when they talk to me, I'm not allowed to talk questions. I go, all right, stop talking. Somebody else comes out yeah because it's all it's all legal i go and then i bring out an adjudicator and then i sit back and

uh you know eat candy behind the bleaches okay who was the first female host of a prime time game show well you got what you got okay because you got jenny you got you got by malin malik malik and byak or whatever her name is doing jeopardy now half this is a while ago half the time um i'm gonna say it was joan rivers uh your face or mine do you know that's a real that's a real name of a christian britain by the way okay do you know who Chuck Barris was? Yeah The king of rock and roll. Chuck Barris Yeah So you don't know who he is. I need to get paid

10 grand in a briefcase. What game show involved young contestants navigating a maze filled with booby traps? What? Game show involved young contestants navigating a maze filled with booby traps. I want to say Double Day. Okay And what was the object of the game? Bumpers Tumpers Game show involved young contestants navigating a maze filled with booby traps. I want to say there's double day. Okay.

And what was the object of the game? Bumper Stumpers. I like this one, actually. Bumper Stumpers. Yeah. Something we might do. Yeah, you guys would totally do this on the road. Oh, it's getting a foreskin dick to wrap around the head of a non-foreskin dick.

I'm glad you caught that. Wow, that's it. All right. Do you want me to keep asking questions? Yes, I do. I'm loving this. Okay. What was the first game show to win a Daytime Emmy Award for Best Game Show, and what year was it? Wheel of Fortune, 1976.

Daytime. Okay. Wheel of Fortune. And it was Pat Sajak. That was a daytime show originally? Why not? Sun's still up, baby. Unless you live in Alaska.

Which one has won the most Day Emmys for best game show, and how many has it won? Well, I guess it's not. Okay, it's going to be Price is Right. Price is Right is daytime. I messed you up. I threw you off on these anyway. The Price is Right.

The Price is Right. What game show gave Jimmy Kimmel his start in television? I'm going to tell you something. I was on a game show. I've told you this before. I was on a game show. I've told you this before. I was on a game show in Australia called Vidiot. And between me and you, I have a friend at the BBC, at the ABC in Australia.

And between everybody else. Yeah. And they have found the footage. And it's being sent to me. Yeah. What footage? The footage of me 14 years old being sent to me. Yes. What footage? The footage of me 14 years old on a game show. Cool.

All right. What do you mean what footage? The guy molesting me behind the set. I forgot. I was waiting for the answer of what show gave me. No, but I just remembered that. That's exciting. Was he a contestant or was he a host?

No, no, no, no, no. He was not the host, but he was a part of the show. I was going to say, I texted my mom on the way here. I know the show. Because I think, I'm pretty sure that we were on the Bozo show when we were kids. Because I remember playing like Bozo Buckets, but I texted her to confirm. Because I'm not sure if that's like a mushroom flashback or something like that. Bozo Bucket was your nickname in university.

That's Bimbo Bucket. Thank you very much. Jimmy Kimmel was not the host, but he was a part of the television show. I don't think he was the host. Maybe I'm wrong. He was on the television show. Let's make a deal.

I might be wrong. He was the co-host. He was the co-host. Thank you, Mike. Let's make a deal. Okay. What is the most expensive prize ever given away on a game show?

One million dollars. It's a thing. It's a thing. One million dollars is a most expensive prize ever given away on a game show? One million dollars. That's a thing. It's a thing. One million dollars is full on a thing. All right. That's a thing. Hang on. I'll give you a house.

It was on the Price is Right. I'll give you that now. Oh, well, they give away cars. It would have been an expensive car. Okay. A good car, Ferrari. Okay. What scandal occurred in the UK version of

who wants to be a millionaire there was some skullduggery a guy cheated and and what he did was he had he they called a break they said ah they said well join us next time this is Chris Tarrant was the host Chris Tarrant said join us next time on Dylan no deal and they went to an ad break in that time that they had off from the show he went to one of the other contestants that was sitting around the perimeter

and said hey I'll give you the money if you know an answer and I don't know the answer cough when I and so he's like this I don't know it might be A

I don't think it's A it's probably B I think it is B or C I'm going to go with C I'm going to go with C I got it alright what game show once hosted

a serial killer during his killing spree that was the dating game you're doing good here now how did game shows evolve in the digital age with the rise of online quizzes and apps HQ and all that type of stuff any other ones you know

there's a company that's coming out that I believe was trying to sell things to Netflix. I was trying to invest, but then it didn't really happen. Yeah, I think Jimmy Foxx hosted a show that was like kind of an app thing. Yeah. Do you know the name of that one? The Shazam one, right?

Yeah, Shazam. Yeah, yeah. And also you can play along at home. You can even play Jeopardy on an app now and then, you know, all these different things. What role have game shows played in pop culture with references in movies, TV shows and music? They have been.

What do you mean in reference to? Okay. No no what do you mean with that question? Yeah like just some examples. Oh some examples? Okay so the Price is Right Australia appeared in the movie The Castle hosted by Larry Emder and they did that and she won a holiday and that's how the movie starts out.

Bob Barker was in Happy Gilmore, and he said, the price is right, bitch, and he punched out Adam Sandler. That's good. He got good stuff there. I was on an episode, the most popular episode, of Celebrity Price is Right. No, Wheel of Fortune.

Wheel of Fortune. No wonder I didn't get it right i was like it's 47 what what real life game show host played the game show host in the running man oh i don't know his name but i remember that yeah yeah i remember that bit of fun oh yeah i don't know who that is family feud don't know who it is okay can you name this last question can you name some recent game show controversies or scandals uh i was employed to host one yeah that's weird um i'll give you a hint there was a jeopardy one do you know that one um oh oh i know this um um they have a female host now Okay Price is right There was a scandal

Two of them Really? Yeah Oh Drew Carey Touched up a few of the models Alright Mike Miley

How did Jim do In his knowledge of game shows Miley and female He didn't He wasn't sexist about it He's like touching How did Jim Jeffries The host of the 1% Club,

do on his knowledge of game shows, 0 through 10? 10's the best. Well, it was looking really bleak for a while, and then he went on quite a run toward the end and got four in a row with, I guess, I was given half credit for some of them along the way. So it's like maybe a six and a half would be the total number right. Percentage-wise, that's probably not six and a half percent.

So I don't know, maybe we'll put it in the middle at a five. Five, all right. Does that get me through the next round? We'll see. We're going to add up the scores. Kelly, how are you doing confidence? I'm going to give him a six on confidence. Okay, that's 11.

And Jim, for you to get into the finals with etc yeah 25 you made it to the final round you're part of the one percent club i was not expecting that congratulations i get i get very invested when i host the game show and the people who can win the money i I imagine you would. Maybe in a year or two from now you won't. Because it takes like three and a half hours to film an episode, right? So you start to get to know

these people as it goes along and then you're like, at the end you're like, all right, I want you to win. I don't want the network to win. I want the contestants to win. I don't say that out loud.

I think it's better telly. They're going to bring you back though. Yeah, but I can't. Yeah, but like- The rules are rules. The audience wouldn't want a host that wants the network to win. You know, it's like this is the best thing you can say. That's like a blackjack dealer.

And we got you. You followed the book, moron. Idiot. All right, Mike. What were the first game show hosts and where did they appear? Jim said Vaudeville at first. His words, not mine. Vaudeville.

Radio, Cool Gate Hour, Let's Make a Deal, Let's Do a Thing, Brought make a deal let's do a thing brought to you by cigarettes brought to you by cigarettes yeah so this one i think he got right they yeah they wound up first being on radio and uh with the shows like vox pop uh major bows amateur hour or um uncle jim's question b and some of these were kind of like family feud where they would just ask people on the street questions and broadcast their answers. Others would be like call, I guess, call out shows where you call some random number in the phone book. And if they could answer the phone and answer the question, they would win money, things like that. And some were more kind of like talent show sort of stuff. So they were not necessarily exactly what we would imagine a quiz

show looking like today but those are often thought of as the roots of them and that's starting around like 1932 uh 1934 when they when they start coming out the 2023 version of that game is to call anybody and if you get somebody to pick up you win like because now right that's right you couldn't get anybody to pick up a random radio used to be like this they have to answer the phone with yeah 2wb is my station yeah yeah that's right they have to answer like that you can never get that now no never you have to answer people now people now don't talk first because they're worried it's a robot call trying to catch their voice or something yeah will you wait for them to go first um and

what is considered the first ever televised game show and when did it air jim said uh match game to tell the truth merv griffin would have been a host yeah okay yeah to tell the truth is getting closer um in the uk there was a show called spelling bee in 1938 that was broadcast for the us it's a show called truth or consequences which winds up being the same or the first game show twice because they did this experimental one time broadcast in July of 1941, basically to test the the airwaves more or less and see if this stuff worked. And then they did a real run of the show on cbs starting in 1950. wow and then can i get an extra point for knowing that merv griffin invented wheel of fortune you already got to the next round i don't know but i'd like that i'd like he wants the credit like that credit sure we'll give it to you i mean i don't even know if that's correct it is correct

okay it is all right it's on the credits um and then who was the first host of the first television merv griffin you said merv griffin but i don't know if that's right uh it's like yeah it's a guy named ralph edwards is the host of truth or consequences and he also wound up hosting that show this is your life that was a big uh show in the 1950s this is your life i think they're bringing it back in australia but they've we had it in australia as well i don't remember what happens okay so what happens is you have a famous person and it's. I think they're bringing it back in Australia, but we had it in Australia as well. I don't remember what happens. Oh, it's okay. So what happens is you have a famous person,

and it's like they're sitting there, and they're having dinner with a friend, and then this guy comes up with a book that just says in Boston, this is your life, right? And he'll come up and go, for sure, this is your life. And then all of a sudden the celebrity, it's a surprise TV show. So it's a surprise party for you on TV. Okay.

And then they sit you down on your couch and you're like this. Oh, no. What's going on? And then they go, do you remember this voice? Oh, do your homework. You better do your homework. And the girl will go, no, I don't remember that voice. And they'll go, it's your fourth grade maths teacher mrs fuckwit or whatever her name is right and then he'll be like ah

he hardly remembered it's a great show and they bring back old school friends and stuff like that all right if you like the celebrity it's interesting um so ralph edwards was those to that show mike you're saying that's right yeah okay this show is sponsored by better help i'm a big fan of therapy. I've been going to therapy for many years. Every now and again, I stop going to therapy, and I always regret it. It's like going to the gym.

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Let's Make a Deal. Oh, Let's Make a Deal. Yeah, I hardly ever watch it. There's got to be one. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. Adam Wade was the first African-American game show host for a show called Musical Chairs in 1975. 1975. Okay.

How many Asian hosts have we had? This is fun. You're doing inventory right now. Is the masked singer a game show yeah he's a he's a judge a judge he's a judge yeah yeah he's a judge i i was on yeah no but he does host um can you see my voice because i was on that one yeah that was a fun day yeah okay okay anybody who does game shows i'm happy to show up i enjoy him very much i was i was almost in the running to uh host the game show recently but i didn't get a job but can you name in america

a few of the earliest popular game shows from the 50s and 60s jim said kangaroo sack how much all the bear i don't know putting cigarettes on them and then price is right were any of those correct mike uh well price is right is is a relatively early one yeah and then price is right were any of those correct mike uh well price is right is a relatively early one yeah and then i guess earlier he had mentioned to tell the truth sadly uh the kangaroo sack does not appear to have um to have gone to series um but i just didn't make it on the internet no everything's on the internet right uh yeah there's a tic-tac-toe 21 21, the $64,000 question, What's My Line? Those were some of the big early ones.

How's Tic-Tac-Toe different from Celebrity Squares? I think it was mainly, the Tic-Tac-Toe didn't have the celebrities as the actual squares, but I think it was still basically a Tic-Tac-Toe game based around answering questions. And then the $64,000 question originally appeared on the radio under what title?

Jim said $6.40. Pretty good, Jim. That's not the answer, right, Mike? It's almost. Yeah, but it's the right line of thinking. It started out on radio as the $64 question. Yeah. Terrible.

So he answered it with the right spirit. Yeah. Well, I always say, so who wants to be a millionaire who's the same all around the world? Yeah. question yeah terrible he answered it with the right spirit yeah yeah that's well i always like say so who wants to be a millionaire is the same all around the world yeah money's not the same yeah even the one percent club it's like you want to i can't say that because it's me but but in britain it's in pounds yeah that's that's there where you make the money the british game shows are where you make the money but i will say this about british game shows so british guys so you're familiar with countdown yes i've heard yeah i know countdown okay so countdown you have to be

a mathematical whiz and you have to be a spelling savant and at the end of it uh if you turn out to be the most intelligent man in all of britain or woman in all of britain you get you win a dictionary yeah oh that's what i always think is the difference between American and British game shows is in Britain you're highly intelligent you win a dictionary and in America it's like this

red door or blue door red door you win a car. Yes. Yeah. Car. Well get more people to watch it.

I know. I know. Bigger population. What was the Federal Communications Commission versus the American Broadcasting Company?

Jim said this is the guy that cheated was being fed all the answers well how's this court case important to game shows yeah this court case it predates a lot of the cheating scandals but what the supreme court ruled there was that game show prizes didn't count as gambling and so they could then open the floodgates and schedule and program as many game shows as they wanted and this is what led to the payouts getting larger so the 64 question became the 64 000 question after this court case um allowed for this and this winds up fueling the the popularity of game shows because people yeah people don't watch to see the questions get answered. They watch to see people win large amounts of money. That's a banger. I still think

Family Feud, I'm always like, $25,000. No, no, no. Family Feud's just a bit of fun. Yeah, yeah. But they go crazy. On a lot of game shows, I'll tell you this for nothing, you don't get flown in or shit. They don't give you nothing. They don't give you nothing.

They don't give you hotel rooms, nothing. And they force you to have that enthusiasm. Jack, Tommy, and I were meant to try out for this game show, and we had to do a Zoom with them. And they were like, okay, now act really excited. And can you imagine the three of us? Tommy and I just looked so pissed. It's like they force you to be this overly excited.

Yeah, but they want you to be a certain thing. Okay, I will say this. Steve Harvey is the best that will ever have been or ever will be. He is the greatest game show host of them all. The way he stays smiling and still partnering in with jokes and stuff like that. And then you answer a question, he's like, woo! He's just like that. I'm telling you, as someone who hosts game shows.

I think he's great. He's so entertaining. I admire Steve Harvey. His reactions are just perfect. I've never watched Steve Harvey stand up. I'm sure he's very good because he's a very funny thing. I'm sure he's very good. I don't watch a lot of stand-up for different reasons,

but he is supreme in the game show world. All right. Next question. I went for a game show. I went to host a game show, and then I was like this. You should just get Steve Harvey. Like halfway through the interview, I just. Which game show host holds the Guinness World Record

for the longest career as a television game show host? You said Bob Barker. I don't think that's right, Mike. No, he was for a time. He did hold the record for a while, and then it was Trebek, but it is now Pat Sajak. I think a couple years ago, he passed them up.

Pat Sajak's all right, man. He's all right. Jim did Celebrity Wheel of Fortune. He just shows up Fortune he just shows up he just shows up he doesn't say hello to you or nothing and then halfway through he was just like this we were cut to an ad break he goes I'm gonna watch you I'm gonna watch your stand-up he goes you're interesting no no he never he never but uh uh they were they were all so nice Vanna White they're all so nice and um uh here were all so nice and here's a little thing

that I'll tell you because Jack was there right everyone's the same height you don't realise it you're all on these electronic platforms

oh yeah that make you go up and down so everyone looks everyone looks the same height yeah I never thought about that everyone looks the same height here's another one for you

that wheel is as heavy as fuck At the end of it I got a little bit of arthritis in my hands My hands were hurting And some people get the little stick They put over the top To soften the blow

I went stickless Fuck me Yeah you spun it a lot though I spun it so much Yeah because you kept spinning it And spinning it because you didn't know the answer I didn't know the answer So Mike

I mean we've told the story on here before, but you can tell Mike. You definitely got to watch his episode. It's very good. So, I think I'd won a million dollars twice. You didn't win it. You wouldn't have won it if you solved it. I'd taken the million off the board,

and then I had another chance at the million. They said, you can't get the million twice. And I kept on going back in for the answer. And everyone else in the room knew the answer. And by the way, I knew the answer for the final quiz as well. I would have gotten it right. Yeah, yeah. But I couldn't crack it because it was a common phrase.

Do you want to know what the common phrase was? That's the best pineapple I've ever had in my mouth. To this day, if I ever hear one cunt in the wild say that's the best pineapple I've ever had in my mouth. It's common. It's a common phrase, right? And I kept on thinking, maybe this is an American thing that I've missed out on, right? Because, for instance, my son said he's having a pep rally

and I didn't know what the fuck that was, right? And so have you ever heard him just saying- He was just not shaking his head. Have you ever heard that? No, I have never heard that. Right, and everyone looked at me like i'm an idiot and i i had this moment because i was doing it for charity i think i made a lot of money for the charity but i i i had this moment where i had enough letters that i had a real funny answer and i would have lost all the money but i already picked up the million and it was going to be that's the best prostitute i've had all month

right and i was like come on come on. Come on, say it. I feel like that one makes more sense than the pineapple in my mouth. Yeah, yeah. People have said that more than the pineapple. Yeah, 100%.

That's the best. Is that a slogan for doll or something like that? I think it was the words ever in there. I remember it. I don't think so. I don't think so, Mike.

I remember it took up the whole board. Yeah, it was like all the letters. It was all the whole board. You couldn't get a letter wrong. I kept on spinning letters. In the end, I hit the bankrupt thing.

And I was acting like, Oh, man, I would have gotten the next one. I didn't fucking know. Who was the original host of Jeopardy! when it premiered in 1964? Was it Sandra Trebek? Sandra Trebek. No, it wasn't

but Art Fleming was the host from 1964 till 79 then the show was gone dormant for 5 years and then Trebek came on and hosted it till he passed from 84 on that's a long time Trebek does the wonderful thing where he could

feign interest when he talks to people and he goes he goes so you have a funny story about the time that you worked on a farm and the person would be like this, yeah, I went to milk the cow but it turned out it was a bull, which is actually a pretty funny story. That was pretty good. Yeah, not that good. It turns out I was just wanking off a bull. No, no, no.

He usually goes, we used to do this on the road. It says here you're in the cross-country skiing. You're like, yeah, I just get on the skis and I just shuffle across into the woods and it's very calming. Yeah, well, maybe you can win some money here and go towards your skiing. Because I do that.

I have an earpiece in for the 1% Club and I've got to talk to 100 contestants and I've got to ask the same three questions every time. And the questions are, what do you do for a living what would you do with the money and what's the other one I've got to ask if I can ask are you here I go you're here with anyone right because there's always contestants shower there's contestants playing with each other and and and it's hard with 100 contestants an episode to vary those questions up so I'm sure that people know they're going to be asked those questions. They always have something prepped.

And occasionally I throw a curveball at one of them. I'll just go like this. And it never works for me. Because people go, why do you ask the same questions? Because if I go like this to a person who's got a camera on them for the first time, sometimes I go, what's your superpower? What are you better at than anyone else? Like I just vary up the question like this.

They go. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure. I'm a good listener. Oh, no. Good at public speaking. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The best I can get on my show is if you get someone who's super cocky, who thinks they're going to do brilliant, that's the person,

and then you just wait for them to get knocked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, what was the famous quiz show scandal and which popular game show was at the center of it um tell us about this mike yeah yeah this uh jim nailed this one this is charles ingram who was on who wants to be a millionaire in the uk and um he wound up in a kind of coughing signal scandal with a couple of other people. And, yeah, where he would pretend, oh, I don't know this one. And maybe it's this option, that option. And so, yeah, the way Jim described it is pretty much spot on. Yeah, so that one hit that one out of the park.

He was like a military guy as well. And so the thing about it was when they went, they used to blow that blow horn before the episode. The guy was going nowhere. He was almost up to the $32,000 question. He'd already used two out of his three lifelines. He was about to hit the meaty bit of the quiz. He was going nowhere. He was maybe tapping out at 64, maybe, right?

And then he just kept on plowing through. And the way he was coming to the answers every time was like this i don't know and then he's like ah d why not you're risking a lot of money that's why not yeah d so that was in the u that was in the uk on who wants to be a millionaire correct those yeah yeah and then yeah and he got denied that he got denied the prize money so they stripped him of his of his winnings um where a lot of the other kind of scandal-ish things, people didn't get their prize money taken away from them, but he did. And is this a different one? There's another thing in it. The quiz show scandal with 21? Yeah, that is a completely different thing.

Oh, yeah. Talk about that one. different yeah what yeah talk about that one yeah so the the queer show scandal with 21 and a few other shows was in the in the late 1950s where in in order to get higher ratings the television program itself was feeding answers to the contestants because they realized that people liked seeing the same person come back repeatedly to kind of keep their winning streak going. And so this one particular show called 21 had this guy on it named Herbert Stimple, who was a guy from this Jewish guy from Queens who was racking up money. And then eventually his ratings sort of plateaued and they brought they found this Ivy League dude, Charles Van Doren, who came in to be a contestant. And they found him to be more telegenic and more charismatic and interesting.

And so they essentially rigged. They'd already been giving Stimple the answers for a few weeks. But then when his ratings weren't good anymore, they decided it was time to make him take a dive. And so they told him, OK, we're going to ask you this question. You have to get it wrong. And then they gave Van Doren the right answer. He got it right. You know, he went on a streak where he was getting answers for a while. And eventually this whole thing got uncovered and blew up into this huge scandal that had a congressional subcommittee investigating it. And they found out that there were a series of shows that were essentially

giving people the answers throughout to try to hold the public's interest rather than leaving things up to chance. 21 sort of became the centerpiece of all of it because it was a little more extensive. It's cheating and stuff like that. And then also because it had this um the charles van doren character had become this guy had become quite a bit of a celebrity um and so in it that uh show really made a big deal about the secrecy of its questions that they were delivered straight to the studio from a vault in midtown manhattan and stuff like that so it uh it looked a whole lot worse for them but there were others like uh tic-tac-oe, I think the $64,000 question as well. And so this more or less changed game shows

for pretty much the rest of their existence. So the thing is with the game shows is the more money you give away, the more viewers. It's good for ratings. People love to see winners. But there are exceptions to that rule. So it's very rarely do you see someone win on a Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Very hard.

But they win a million dollars if they win, whereas on Family Feud they win a lot, but it's only 25,000. So I think it's maybe you win a lot or you win big. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, or you've still got to give it away every now and again. The 1% Club gives away substantially more money, I believe, than who wants to be a millionaire.

We give away $100,000 on the regular, at least 10 times to every one time they win the million dollars, at least, minimum. But there are exceptions. Like, the Chase is an interesting one. The Chase is your number one game show at the moment in Britain and in australia and you watch the chase i love the chase i don't know sorry the um the british game show that's on

now that i guess i'm most familiar with is only connect but that's like a whole different kind of thing but they're the american chase as well there was a uh who was the name of that blonde girl i quite fancy her she she's she's alice uh i don't know is it alison sweeney i don't know but my my wife used to get upset whenever the chase came on because i became an old man oh she's wearing a sleeveless top that's i became like a pervy old man it's nice when she has her arms out jesus um but i'm a big fan of her um brooke burns just yeah yeah she's a nice lady her yeah nothing wrong with her nothing wrong with her mate anyway

so so the chase the chase is a different one because the chase I don't think they want people to win people go for the different chases

and they say have you watched the chase yeah I've watched it the chase is a banger the chase is the chase is on every day on channel 7 in Australia,

every single day, and I think it tops the ratings every day. It does well here. Everyone watches it. Yeah, but it's only a once-a-week thing every now and again. In Australia, it's fucking 365 days a year, every fucking 5 o'clock, you're watching the chase. So how did the quiz show scandal, the 21 scandal, impact the game show industry?

Yeah, so for a brief period of time the quiz shows basically disappeared nobody wants to watch them it went from where at the height of the scandal right before it broke you had nbc i think like almost 20 percent of their uh prime of their schedule was game shows uh and so those virtually disappear. And what happens is they move to, they used to be called quiz shows, they move them to daytime, out of prime time, they call the circle them game shows, and sort of getting to what Jim was just talking about, they wind up changing up what kinds of questions that they're asking. So this is where the price is right really takes off, rather than asking people really obscure questions about history or opera or something like that,

they're asking them how much a tube of toothpaste is. They ask them things that you don't need to rig anymore. And so it trades in a different kind of knowledge than what people had before. So instead of like real academic knowledge, you something like family feud that's your knowledge of other people your you know your human knowledge or you get more more basic academic knowledge like how much is this detergent and so that's when they come back and so people because they realize people don't really care about about knowing the answer they just care about watching people win and that's not really until jeopardy when that stuff kind of starts coming back to have specialized knowledge being a thing um and but of course jeopardy has a way less suspense and energy it's it's the more um what um the the more

refined game show uh but then something like millionaire yeah they don't give away a lot of money or large sums but it's so it's all about the drama and the suspense rather than being super fast paced millionaire is about dragging out everything for the the maximum uh suspense hey there all right that was my religious impression i would be i would be a fan when i was a kid because you know we didn't have porn and stuff. I used to like the Price is the Right models. Yeah. Big fan.

We've got a trend here going. You'd have your fan. Also, there was one on Sale of the Century. You didn't have that game, maybe. It was an Australian one, Sale of the Century. Delveen Delaney. Yeah, you've talked about her. In the 70s, man.

You've talked about her several times. Oh, man. Delveen Delaney. When you're a 10-year-old boy in Australia, that does something to you. Yeah. Her husband just died. It gives me hope. Speaking of... Well, that's the show...

Okay, sorry. Well, wasn't Seal of the Century that show where they would give away ridiculous prizes where someone would win, like, the deed to an oil well in Texas or something like that? No, this was just a... Jim doesn't know.

He was jerking off to Delvin Delaney. He didn't watch. Nothing wrong with Delvin, mate. Okay, so speaking of women, who was the first female host? She married the guy who co-wrote Crocodile Dundee. Nothing wrong with Delvin. Nothing wrong with Delvin. Who was the first female host of the primetime game show?

Jim said Joan Rivers. That's a great guess. Yeah, Arlene Francis hosted this show called Blind Date in 1949. They always, because, okay, so they call it the dating game. Is Blind Date and the dating game the same thing? No. Because in Australia, we used to call it perfect match, but you wouldn't get to see the person you were dating, right?

So you know the show I'm talking about, right, where they have the one contestant, they have a barrier, they have three people behind the barrier and they ask a question If you were to cook me a meal, what would it be? And the guy would be like, I'm from Manchester and I'd be too busy eating you out and then he'd get up and dance a little bit

And she'd go, I like the sound of that I like the sound of that And that was hosted by that was hosted by what was that called? that blind date they call it in Britain but you call it

the dating game and that was I don't think in 1949 that was this game that was hosted by no that was hosted by Cilla Black and Cilla Black

was a woman from Liverpool who used to hang out with the Beatles and used to sing like around all the clubs and stuff she was good friends with the Beatles

and she was just a scouser lady who used to go oh around all the clubs and stuff. She was good friends with the Beatles and she was just a Scouser lady. She used to go, oh, that's a bit saucy. Scouser? Scouser's the, it's not a derogatory term, but it's what they like. It's people from Liverpool. The nickname is Scouser. Scouser. Okay, who was Chuck Beres?

Not the king of rock and roll, we know that, but what was his important to? That's a good, yeah. That's a good segue. He is the guy who created the dating game and the newlywed game. He's the guy who thought he was a fucking spy. No, Mike's answering now.

You don't get any points. He thought he was a spy, right? That's right. He wrote a memoir where he claimed that while he was creating all these game shows, he was also a contract killer for the CIA. Yeah. And didn't George Clooney direct them?

Well, he wasn't in it, right? There was a movie. There was a movie about it. He did. Well, he was. Yeah, he was in it. He played like his CIA handler. But then he also directed it.

Yeah. Was Ben Stiller in that? Oh, no, that's about the bloke who wrote Alf. I don't remember who it was. Yeah, that's Permanent Midnight. Yeah, that's a different one. I don't remember even the name of the movie, the Chuck Beres movie.

What is it? Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Oh, yeah, there you go. I remember seeing it. Sounds cool. You're already through the next round, Jim. You didn't get points for that one. Yeah, it's good that I remembered it, though.

You did. I could see you go... Yeah, all right. What game show involved young contestants navigating a maze filled with booby traps? Double Dare? Yeah, that was my first guess, too, until I looked at it more closely,

but it's Legends of the Hidden Temple, which was also in Nickelodeon. Oh, yes, yes, yes. That came after Double Dare. I've seen that. Double Dare looked like it was a lawsuit waiting to happen, didn't it? It was like kids flipping off things, landing on their necks.

And slime doesn't cushion your fall that much. No. When did slime become such a thing for children? Nickelodeon, I guess. I believe it was, you can't do that on TV, from Canada. Okay. And you could say that word, they would pour slime on you. Yeah, that's right.

Alanis Morissette was on it. What was the object of the game? Bumper Stompers? Do you know this, Mike? I'm not going to repeat Jim's answer. It's crude. Yeah, they would get personalized license plates up on the screen and there would be some sort of quiz or the question would be,

the answer would be whatever the abbreviated thing on the bumper sticker would be. Oh, yeah. See, that's something I would do. Yeah. And then the first game show to win a Daytime Emmy Award for Best Game Show. Was it Wheel of Fortune?

Price is Right. Yeah. Oh, sorry. That's all right. I think I just got a little delayed and garbled. First game show to win a Daytime Emmy Award for Best Game Show.

What year was it in? Jim said. Sure. Yeah, this one's Pass in 1974 yeah they should get that game show now I'll never get it right and then you text me what's my password to this again I put a password in I go back the next day and it says that's the wrong one I just wrote it down oh god that would be a wonderful show that would be so great just people trying to

log into their email address point a gun to somebody's head and log into your gmail or die oh yeah log into your hotmail

from 10 years ago oh I mean there's no way but it's like that one the stuff from the stuff from 20 years ago I can remember

that's true because that was the OG password yeah that's true that one was a simple word Jim but the prize might just be you don't have to reset your password i mean that might be better than yeah the prize would be we'll tell you your passwords if you know your passwords for netflix we'll tell you your password for hulu oh what a game show write it up jim which game show has won

the most daytime emmys for the best game show and how many was it? Jim said Price is Right. Yeah, I believe that one's second most. But Jeopardy is the winner there and it has 19. So that used to be the day. I said I threw you off. It goes on after the Wheel of Fortune, which you claim isn't during the day. And I know the answer before this, I said, hey, Wheel of Fortune.

I don't know the answers. I did say out loud, you can hear in the podcast, I think I messed you up on this, is what I said. Still messed him up. What game show gave Jimmy Kimmel his start in television? Let's make a deal. It's Win Ben Stein's Money. He was the co-host with Ben Stein on that Comedy Central show.

Who's Ben Stein? He's the guy who did the clear eyes commercials yeah he he's like a political pundit i think he was right wasn't he nixon speed yeah he worked yeah he worked in the nixon and ford administrations um for a for a time and then but he wound up in ferris bueller's day off he's the the teacher that anyone anyone oh that guy yeah fer the yeah he sort of parlayed that into uh into this job where he i think they give away 2 500 on that show um he was he was he was the teacher in the one years yeah he's been he's acting a lot of stuff i want to get into the one years for a second the news it's all right the new season's all right i was a big fan of the one years but when the one years first aired it was going back 20 years in time the one years now

should be like it should start with 9-11 yeah those were the good old days yeah well no no because the one year starts with the vietnam war and winnie's brother dying right but they're still in suburbia people have their childhood and everything keeps going on that's what it's meant to be it's meant to be started the idea of the one years is meant to be a person my age looking back on well younger than me a person in their 30s looking back on their teen years and going oh yeah the first time i had a kiss the first time i had of this the first time i had of that the one is now the person who's talking about it has to be in their 60s okay well we have to do these questions what are you doing abc what are you doing we can't get into what are you doing what are you doing live it like because you have to reinvent the wheel here i've given you the template you gave him the password

game show they're set what is the most expensive prize ever given away on a game show? Jim said an expensive car. This is where Jimmy started to do well. He said an expensive car. Ferrari, but it was actually a... Yeah, I gave him half credit on this one. I don't know what half of these words mean, but it was an Audi R8 V8 Spyder Quattro S Tronic

that was given away on the Price is Right in 2013. Yeah. Was that $120,000? $110,000? Yeah. It ranges from a $120,000 car, $110,000 car? Yeah. It ranges from about $120,000 to $150,000, $160,000,

depending on the options. Yeah. That's a good one. They don't give you the good options, though, on game shows. Do you ever see that three-wheeled car they were trying to give away, the yellow one? It was given away by the trans person. There's a documentary on HBO. It was a car that was never made

There was this trans lady That's not like the But it was like a con man who became a woman Who then set up a car company And then they were given away on the Price is Right And the cars didn't have engines They just hadn't made them yet All they had was the shell of the car

And then they just pushed it out Into the set and they gave away like several of them Oh you should have answered that as one of the As one of the shell of the car, and then they just pushed it out onto the set. They gave away, like, several of them. Oh, he should have answered that as one of the answers for the scandals. Well, it wasn't Price's Rights' fault. It was the car company. Do you know about that car? Now that you're describing it, I do remember hearing about this with the shell of the car. Yeah, the shell of the car.

It's a yellow three-wheel car. It looks funky. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. The Dale. It's called the about. The what? The Dale. Google the Dale.

The Dale car is a fucking banger. And they test drove one of them. They got a little engine in there. They kept on tipping over when they turned around quarters. Oh my god. It's like a yellow submarine. Yeah, that would be cool. And then you don't get it.

Oh geez. Doesn't exist, sorry. Better off if you don't get it. We talked about the UK version of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Who's being made here in LA, the dial? It's not being made at all. No, but that's where that mic is.

Just making the shells. What game show once hosted a serial killer during his killing spree? Jim said The Dating Game. That was correct, right? Yeah, absolutely right. Nailed it. Yeah, I guess there's a movie that's going to be coming out about it later this fall

that Anna Kendrick directed called Woman of the Hour. I saw that. It's at the Toronto Film Festival right now. Oh, it was a woman that was killing people? No, no. No, it was a guy because the because the it's the bachelors um and then but i think it's the main character is the the bachelorette uh who's choosing the guys it was a 20 for 20 i saw now in your opinion game you're a game show expert right so in your

opinion is shows like the bachelor are considered to be a game show? Because I consider that to be a game show. Yeah. Yeah, it is, right? Absolutely. Yeah. All of those reality, the current, like a lot of the things that we call reality shows now are really just game shows.

Survivor. Survivor. Survivor. Project Runway. Because I don't watch reality shows. I don't watch anything below deck or anything like that. But if there's a competition involved, I'll watch it I need to see a winner at the end. Yeah, and all the cooking shows I guess then are all game shows

Master chef game show there all games shows. Yeah. Yeah Iron Chef All of this yeah, yeah How did the game shows evolve in the digital age with the rise of online quizzes and apps Jim said HQ trivia? Shazam beat Shazam. So your book is about HQ Trivia. No, you were in the documentary about the... I used to play that all the time. Yeah, the book talks about HQ Trivia a little bit at the end.

But yeah, the documentary that I'm in is talking about just the rise and fall of that app. What happened? Because I remember there was a moment where the whole country was playing that. It felt like. We were playing it. We were playing it backstage before we walked on stage. Yeah, and in the writers room.

I was getting halfway through it like, ah, ah, and they're like, please welcome to the stage Jim Jefferies, ah! You people cost me money. Yeah, it was crazy. That was a real thing for, mean i i work at a at a high school and i mean we had to really crack down on this because it was at uh well it was at two o'clock and and eight o'clock or something like that central time was there were these games that

were happening live and uh the guys who created it had created vine earlier the the that's that six second uh video app. And, yeah, so it was a huge thing. And it was, I guess, getting so big that it was growing faster than they could build a lot of the infrastructure to support it. And then it's also taken apart by the typical Silicon Valley startup infighting and, you know, stuff like that. It just kind of imploded more or less. Because as it got bigger, there was moments I think we'd be playing it and be like that. It just kind of imploded, more or less. Because as it got bigger, there was moments I think we'd be playing it

and be like, all right, we got technical difficulty here. A lot of glitches. The documentary is called Glitch. Watch it, it's good. Now, what happens now, because I know there's game shows coming out that are going to be huge money,

like the biggest prize money ever is coming out in different game shows and stuff like that. But what happens now that we have people like mr beast who are giving away houses and they're giving away millions of dollars like online do the networks move with that or will it always be a separate thing you you know about mr beast he's like yeah oh i do yes unfortunately my my kids got really into him during the pandemic so i um yeah i'm he's been a guest in my house more than i'd like right right yeah but like like he gives away much bigger prizes than the television does he does yeah yeah and there is and some of it is gamified and some of it is is more i guess the more or there's

some altruism tied to it sometimes. And I think this is something that people are still trying to figure out. HQ was the first thing that really caught, figured out kind of how to combine the old model of the game show as a television broadcast with the era of social media and apps and things like that

by simply turning the phone into the interactive TV set. And the things on YouTube are able to, basically they're doing short episodes of game shows and they're finding different game formats to play around with. But the networks are still, by and large, following that older model of having a big set

with a traditional kind of kind of show but um but i think it's really only a matter of time before all of these different where before they figure out some way to either move game shows entirely to online or find some way of getting the online component into the broadcast show um it's just going to take somebody to kind of crack that nut and then everybody else will be all over it too yeah um because the things that mr beast is doing sorry things that mr beast is doing are basically radio used to do those but radio is sort of dead but radio used to hold a ton of game shows where it was like you had to leave your hand on a car and if your hand comes off the car and you get the piss every now and again you got to stay in a cubicle inside a shopping mall and you can't leave

yeah and people can come and see you and you're not allowed to now and again. You've got to stay in a cubicle inside a shopping mall and you can't leave and people can come and see you and you're not allowed to brush your teeth and all that type of stuff. Yeah, and he edits it down to like 10 minutes. It's like two days worth of... Yeah, I miss those. Yeah. I watched The Mystery of Beasts and I'm like,

nah, I get why this is so big. Like people want to watch people win a house or a million dollars or whatever. Oh, what real life game show host played the game show from The Running Man? You didn't remember. I don't remember his name, but I know what he looks like. Yeah, that's Richard Dawson, the original Family Feud host.

Richard Dawson. We were talking about him yesterday in the pre-interview. He was a little bit, he'd do a lot of kissing. He was pretty handsy. Yeah, he was like, hey. Have you ever seen the creepy Canadian game show host with the kids? Oh, God, yeah.

No. Oh, yeah. That one's rough. He's always asking the 10-year-old girls for a kiss. He's like this, why don't you give me a kiss? Well, Richard Dawson, it was like pretty, I don't know. That's what he was. I remember him just always getting a kiss from every lady.

Yeah, always, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, it became a a thing where people you know contestants knew well this is what this is what's coming right and i guess some would i i be excited about it some wouldn't when in the one percent club right someone wins the hundred grand and they're all excited jumping up and down i go congratulations and i'll walk up to him your action is you want to hug a person who's just won 100 grand, who's jumping up and down. They probably want to hug, but you'll see me.

I just sort of grab their hands and go, yay! No hugging. Because I don't want to get in trouble. Woo-hoo! Well, yeah, because you'd have people jump up and basically accost Bob Barker if they got called up to the stage. Oh, yeah, yeah. They'd be so excited. They'd just run up and, yeah, off they go. That's true called up to the stage. Oh, yeah, yeah. They'd be so excited.

They'd just run up and, yeah, off they go. That's true. It goes the other way sometimes, yeah. Some names, some recent game show controversies or scandals. Jim made up a few here. What are some ones that we should remember? Yeah, well, I guess there's the...

One of the more recent ones involved the rotating hosts of Jeopardy where one of the executive producers of Jeopardy, Mike Richards, just said, oh, you know what? I'll follow Trebek. And people were not wild about that for obvious reasons. And then it kind of came out that he was, you know, had some accusations of sexual harassment and at previous jobs or at the current job. harassment and at previous jobs or at the current job he had been sued earlier in 2010 i think by one of barker's beauties for um essentially firing her or not having her back after maternity leave um and so yeah so his track record was was not super good and that all kind of came out again

when he was hosted jeopardy for like a week or or something a week or two yeah and then there's uh the other more current one i guess involves vanna white who it turns out hasn't gotten a raise in many many years and was holding out on her contract uh to try to get get a raise where i mean she still makes a quarter of what pat sajak makes per episode but she did wind up getting a raise uh from we talked about yeah but i will say this and i found a lovely lady lovely lady but with the robots coming to take our jobs hers should have gone a long time ago is there a more pointless job on earth than what vanna white has to do she just touches letters she used to spin them yep and even before computers they could have got the machine to go like that right like that but now she just touches them like come on

now you enjoy seeing her though like it adds a human element she is a big part of the brand i mean like hey hey hey you're worth what people want to pay like like people love her people love her but she is pointless not in life on the show she's a very little point in life really harsh in life she's lovely lady she's lovely warm lady yeah better lovely lady yeah she consoled you after your loss she comes up and she goes so you got it wrong and i'm like i up and she goes, so you got it wrong. And I'm like, I did. And she's like this, oh, well, it can be tricky up there. Stands there a bit. You want to be a size three or whatever she is, friend of Vanna White's.

Yeah. And then just go up to her every now and again and go, I need a green dress. Let me go to the warehouse. All right. This is part of our show called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our guests to give us some obscure, interesting fact about this subject that the audience can use to impress people.

What do you got for us? Yeah, well, I guess a short one while we can do another after a while. We're talking about Vanna White. She was actually a contestant on The Price is Right in 1980 prior to getting hired to do wheel of fortune uh you can see clips of her getting called up to contestants row and uh she doesn't get up on the stage but she was a she was a game show contestant and so she's one of the people who's i guess been on both sides of of the game show this is so weird because i was like i found that out just the other day and i was

like how did i find that out and it's like bob barker died and she put that up on her social ah okay so that makes sense yeah anyway um and then i guess there's the um there's there's a there's a guy who hacked the price is right and i'm not i'm sorry there's a guy who hacked press your luck uh and there's also another guy who got the perfect bid on a showcase showdown on Price is Right. We could go with either one of those. Or there's a real cringy story about the Price is Right. Yeah, do that one. The cringy one.

We like cringy. Do the cocaine. Well, so I guess while, yeah, so this is another, this is one of Barker's beauties. Her name was Janice Pennington. her name was Janice Pennington and she had her husband her second husband this guy named Fritz disappeared while he was out mountain climbing in 1975 did he fall off the ledge because someone got the number wrong well it kind of goes there they had this game on on the Price is Right that had a mountain climber called cliffhangers who would

move up the up the thing and then if you or you try to try to keep him from falling off the cliff and if you got the numbers wrong he would inch closer to the edge and in 76 while he's still declared missing they are playing this game and she's on stage and the host who wasn't barker at the time uh but the host decides i'm gonna call this guy Fritz and he keeps going up and then he goes off the side and the host is, you know, down goes Fritz and she, you know, runs off stage in tears. And they kept playing this game for a while while she was still on here. And, you know, while this guy's declared missing and presumed dead

that was the guy to call him free she must have messed up he must have known what he was doing well i guess yeah what found what what comes out later is that they speculate that he was working with the cia to establish mountain passes and mountain bases between afghanistan and pakistan and was likely killed by Soviet forces. So, like, the story, the plot thickens along the way. Just that this guy was probably a spy. Stay at home and

shag your barker's beauty. What do you need to go out for? My friends Matt and Greg were on the, what's the game show with the doors? You unlock them. Whatever that game show is, they were on that. I think maybe Price is Right or something. And so my friend Matt had the right key, went up to the correct door,

but it just wouldn't open for whatever reason. And behind it was a car. And even though he did everything right and just whatever weird glitch didn't let the door open, they still didn't let him have the car, even though he did everything right. Yeah, he's got to open the door. And Greg was like, I've never seen Mac get so close to maybe killing a person at that moment.

Well, Mike Miley, thanks for being here. The name of his book is Truth and Consequences, Game Shows in Fiction and Film. You can see him on the CNN documentary, Glitch, The Rise and Fall of HQ Trivia. And then find him through his website, MikeMiley.com, or on Twitter, at Mike C. Miley.

Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Mike. Thank you all so much. Yeah, thanks for having me. Really nice to meet you all. Thank you. I love this subject. Big fan.

If you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and says, Bob Barker was mean about a hiker in the- That wasn't Bob Barker. That's why you go, I don't know about that. Sorry, I interrupted you. Good night, Australia. Yeah, what a terrible idea. Forest.

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