I Don't Know About That - Guitar feat. Eugene Edwards

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

Well, Jim knew guitars had strings and our expert Eugene Edwards (@eugeneedwards25) seemed to know a little bit more than that. Jim's new special "High & Dry" is now available on Netflix! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2!

Eggs, chocolate, Jesus dying. What's the most important bit of Easter? Probably the chocolate. You might find out, and I don't know about that, with Jim Jefferies. How you doing everyone? Good to have you all here. Forrest is here, Jack's here, Kelly's here. We have a guest who's going to be our expert that I know nothing about. I just know your name's Eugene. Correct. Eugene Edwards. Well, I didn't even know that.

Now you're giving away too much. I don't think I've given away too many. What, the Gene Edwards? Eugene Edwards. The expert of blah, blah, blah. He's an expert on Jesus. He really likes Jesus. No, you're laughing.

Yeah, no. I'll tell you, I'm guessing it took maybe like 12 guys to move that rock Yeah, you're right I'll tell you I went there I went to Israel and I did the walk right

the whole walk where you walked up to the they talk about it like it's a mountain bit of a hill right not that hard a walk very easy

I did it with Forrest he wasn't panting or nothing remember that we walked up there I had but the first time I went, I don't think I've gone with you. We went to Israel.

Oh, I went with Adam Bloom. Because you always ducked off to go see Jesus' things. And I've gone, I've seen it. I don't need to go back. I still haven't been to Jerusalem. When I went there,

I went there once by myself and once with Amos. And I went and saw where there's like, I don't know anything about religion, but he comes out of a cave and waves. Oh, no, that's in Jerusalem. What's the bit with Nazareth? Okay, but he comes out of the cave, and then they showed you everything within this thing. And then they said right here is where he was crucified, but there's a bus station there now.

It's all within 100 meters. Of course. Like you would see, and it's a cave station there now it's all within a hundred meters like you would see and it's okay two locations then i then i walked into the old city of jerusalem like this is where jesus i go i just went to the place like yeah there's two spots there's some controversy about where i was and i go what a load of you were writing everything down there's a there's a rock that he laid on and bled out a bit that's in the church of the holy and then they are native and i bought my um previous well kate's mother my hank's mother's mother i bought

she's very religious i bought her a little crucifix i think it might have had an ivory jesus like it was not yeah in the streets of jerusalem yeah the mother of pearl that stuff and i got a priest to rub it on the rock that was the only time she liked me that woman when you're walking up to that church on the rock. That was the only time she liked me, that woman. That was when I got on that. When you're walking up to that church, the church at least up there, the outside looks, whatever, the inside's very ornate and really cool looking.

But there's all these shops, they sell like incense and water and candles and all that stuff. It's so you can put it on the rock. I'm like, it's a big... Oh, it's a racket. Yeah, yeah. They make it seem like, hey, and then everything's like, hey, come on in here and buy this, put it on the rock. Stop by Jesus' childhood gift shop. Also, I went there make it seem like, hey, very well. And then everything's like, hey, come on in here. Buy this. Put it on the rock. Stop by Jesus' childhood gift shop. Exactly.

Also, I went there and I was like, I want a crucifix. And they go, how much are you willing to spend? I was like, give me one for like $150. I want $150. That's the amount of money I want to spend on this crucifix. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, oh, yeah, we got something for you.

And then they're like, this guy, just give anything. They're like, just look at the inlay and the thing. And I was like, all right, then. You should have gotten a full size one for $150. The Wi-Fi doesn't work good in there. So a lot of times you have to buy it. Why did you have your Wi-Fi on? No, no, no, no.

Trying to send some emails. Not Wi-Fi, like your phone, the internet for your phone. And so when I bought a piece of jewelry for someone, I'm like, oh, you don't buy it here, you've got to buy it next door. It's like a whole thing where you're like, I don't know. Trust me, it's fine. And then, like, the next shop is just selling trays of baklava. Like big trays of it like that.

Yeah. All right. The good thing is about Jerusalem is they've really got all their bases covered. If you're a Jew, Muslim, or Christian, you're going to find something for you. If you're a Rastafarian, not good. I like our atheist cities. Vegas. Yeah.

The good ones. Absolutely. What's another good atheist city? That's a good question. Yeah, I was going to say Nashville for fun, but Nashville's filled with Christians. Right. Probably Los Angeles has to be. I do well here. New Orleans, I would say, but then they have a whole voodoo kind of thing.

Yeah, they've got their own thing. They're not atheists. They've got their own. They're very French Catholic as well. I don't know if there's an atheist city. Maybe Miami, I would say, but then there's Vegas. Mind you, I got married in a church in Vegas. Yeah.

It didn't feel like a church. I don't think that was a real church. I don't think that church has any services. I wonder if they don't pay taxes at the Little White Chapel. The Little White Chapel is doing four weddings at all times simultaneously. Of all different ilks. There's one with a drive-through there's elvis there's a regular one there's the bigger room the smaller room the medium room there's

a garden room was yours we were in the main room i think so i thought yeah we're in the original room but that was small as well and you walk in they haven't even set up like just an iPod just attached they have they have a cassette player yeah yeah yeah and the lady presses

play like that right there like a boombox yeah a little tiny little tiny boombox like this pulls it out

and presses play plays the song as your wife walks in it's all about atmosphere every it's every little girl's dream I could see like I could see like, there's lots of tourists. I can spot an Australian.

First of all, there wasn't a lot of people dressed traditionally like we were. It was like an emo wedding. Then there was like all cowboy theme. And then there was everybody came with like a theme. There was a couple of traditional. But there was an Australian group there. Yeah. And I could spot them because i know australians just not even from their clothes

just from the expression on their face yeah all australian women sort of do this a lot like they're walking along i thought it'd be bigger they were doing that i said that group of women over there's australian i was saying that to forrest he goes how do you know I go wait till they walk by but I will say like leading up to it it was kind of

you were kind of you know it was during COVID but it was like you were kind of like it was kind of like oh well this is kind of funny that we're here

but once the ceremony started for that brief period it was still nice though the lady who did it did a banging job and I'll tell you why because she does them every five seconds

yeah she crushes it yeah JJ smashed his head on the chandelier The lady who did it did a banging job, and I'll tell you why, because she does them every five seconds. Yeah. She crushes it, yeah. Yeah. JJ smashed his head on the chandelier. Yeah. I had a pair of Elvis Presley cufflinks, right, that I bought at auction. But, like, it sounds more impressive than it is,

because Elvis had thousands of costume cufflinks. Like, they were all over the place. So it wasn't that expensive. But I have these tacky sort of looking cufflinks that a bit of a conversation started because they were owned by elvis and the elvis there i was sitting out with him in the in the lobby and i was like hey come over here i got elvis's cufflinks and he he was so over talking about elvis it was obviously it was so obviously something that he got into 20 years ago now Now he's like going, I think I might have wasted my life. You are about a week away from Milan, Italy. Ah, Milan, we're coming to see you.

Bring your finely made shoes and your thin pizzas because I'm coming. Do you know what you're playing? The name of it? La Patera di Pespero. Close. Teatro Archimibaldi. Archimibaldi Milquimbaldi Milano Google that theater

Do you reckon this is a modern theater that the Italians have slapped in or it's an historical gothic looking cool Italian theater What is it called again? Historical Well you're the one who has it in front of you I know but I just switched over Right there

Archimibaldi Alright you guys talk about something else I know, but I just switched over. Right there. Archimaldi. All right, you guys talk about something else. No, that's all right. We can read for you. Why don't you just copy and paste it? Yeah, it's called fucking Hill, man. How old is Hill? Are you new?

Come on. All right, boomer. Oh! Got him. Got him. It looks kind of like it was built in the 80s, maybe. Ah, that. I wanted it real. There the 80s, maybe. Oh, that. I wanted a real...

There's these vending machines out in front of it. I wanted an Italian theater that looked like kids were molested in there by some Pope-like character. No, the whole neighborhood. The neighborhood looks kind of Russian. Is this Milan? This is Milan. It's the height of fashion.

Yeah. But it's not the city. We're out in the suburbs probably with that theater. I don't know. I know it's not Rome. We're not going to Rome. the Colosseum was booked. I don't know anything about Milan. That's inside, but that's like some production.

That'll be cool. It's going to be great. All right. So let's get started. That's the inside. We have to figure out what Eugene's here for. Stop rubbing that. No one else can see that.

They can't see my hands. Or what that is. All right, that's better. Well, we got to do some ads first. So before we do that, IDCat Podcast on Instagram. And Patreon.com. The Patreon's been a lot of fun.

Yeah. A lot of fun. I have a podcast too called the Merman Podcast. You should listen to that. Jack and I have a podcast called the Uns Merman podcast you should listen to that Jack and I have a podcast called the Unsolicited podcast and I have this one

listen to this one too yeah listen to this one too the Merman and the Unsolicited is fine I don't know why it has to be a competition just kidding I listen to one of them

and not the other I'm not going to say which one ads please please before a fight breaks out do some ads you're upsetting Eugene. Today my wife was doing boxercise in the backyard and Jack was in the living room

and I was in the cinema playing video games and my wife comes in and goes, can you say hello to my trainer? And I'm like, what am I going to meet your trainer for? So I came out and went, hello. Shook his hand like this, right? And I said, what did I have to do that for? And she goes, oh, we thought that Jack was my husband.

Oh, I see what happened there. You want to directify that. She's like, is this your husband? Oh, no, my husband's much older. It's hurtful to both of us. I know. Hit by friendly fire with that one. We need to band together, man.

Yeah, yeah, fuck her. I was telling her that me and you were married. She's the maid. All right, ready? Okay. Please welcome our guest, Eugene Edwards. G'day, Eugene Edwards. Now it's time to play...

Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Judging no. Yes, no. Judging a book by its cover. All right. Eugene Edwards is here. I can't judge Eugene's background. Eugene looks smart, but that might just be the glasses.

I feel like you're in the entertainment business. Is this got to do with the entertainment business? Yes. All right. Is it plastic surgery? No. We already did plastic surgery. I know i know it's been a while you gotta you gotta touch it up yeah exactly you can't just leave it where it is it's always updates and i actually i actually saw the guy who did my chin

at one of my gigs and i was like hey why is it getting forest yeah my eyes are getting a bit dark and he's like take my number i'll sort you out jim no problem support you yeah he comes to my gigs i think he met me when he did the chin thing and now he shows up with yeah that's good um anyway so uh okay so it's about the entertainment business is it does it involve the movies it does not oh does it involve the theater? No. Oh. Is it interpretive dance? No. Oh. Regular dance? No.

That's all that there's in entertainment? There's nothing else? No. I haven't scratched the surface. He's just getting started. Power of elimination. He's calling it down, man. And does it involve the movie?

Does it involve television? No. I love television. Sorry. We could switch. I love television. Sorry. We could switch. I think you'll like this topic. I mean, you like this genre. Is it music?

It is. Oh, I know about music. It's not just music. It's more specific than that. Is it about the rock and roll music that's corrupting the youth? Not specifically, no. Do you know that Eugene knows Jack?

Right. That's a hint. We're glad you were sitting for that. It's a hint, though. That doesn't mean he's involved in the music in the show. No, no, no. It's a hint. Eugene, Jack has a relationship with Eugene. Oh, is it about Coca-Cola's sponsorship of music?

Because they don't. That's more a Pepsi thing. Yeah, that's more of a Pepsi thing. It involves Jack. What does Jack do in music? Jack's in a parody slash real country band called the Doohickeys. Well, yeah. Thanks for the plug. Way to go.

One of his bandmates sitting over there. Yeah, I know. Okay. Yeah. So he's not in the band. I've seen the band. What does he do? Eugene's not in the band. What does he do? Eugene's not in the band.

What does he do? Sings averaging and plays guitar slightly better. Okay. Thank you. That's pretty good. What have we got? Is it about singing? No.

Is it about guitars? Yes. That's about the rock and roll music. That's corrupting the youth. Just guitar. We're talking about guitar. Guitar and guitars. Okay.

When's the guitar invented? Who was the thing? When was the first person to have an electric guitar? All right. We're talking about guitar. Guitar and guitars. Okay, when's the guitar invented? Who was the thing? When was the first person to have an electric guitar? All right, I'm down. Let's do it. All right. Eugene Edwards attended the Berklee College of Music and won the California Chapter Country Music Awards

Guitarist of the Year. He's composed the score for short films and documentaries, was part of K-Earth 101 Morning Show for seven years, and works as a spokesperson for Fender Guitar. And for the past 11 years has been the lead guitarist for country music legend Dwight Yoakam. Dwight Yoakam? Yeah. He currently hosts the music podcast The Know It All Hour and will host the upcoming streaming show Two Guys With Guitars.

You can find him on IG and Twitter at Eugene EugeneEdwards25, and Facebook, Eugene Edwards. Is it Eugene E. Edwards on Twitter? Oh, no, there's an extra E. Sorry about that. Okay, no, it's just Eugene Edwards. Correction. Okay, yeah. Nice catch. Let's take that out of there.

And the two guys with guitars, that's going to be coming out where? That'll be on YouTube. My partner, Dylan Caligiuri, and I, we just take questions about just how to play, about the actual guitars themselves, just kind of an everything. It's kind of a two-man show. We were doing a live stream show for Fender for a few years. It was a lot of fun, very successful. That's been kind of curtailed, so we decided to just kind of carry it over to another format. Oh, and how do you know Jack?

We met at the Desert Five spot a few months ago. And I scheduled a lesson with you, and then we just happened to meet. Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, I do. I teach privately on Zoom. He had booked a lesson, but then just a few days later, we were in the same place at the

same time. Because I saw him play with Dwight Yoakam. I was like, who is this guy? He's insane. I would love to... I couldn't figure out who he was, and I saw a Fender video. He was like, there he is. Eugene's amazing.

It was fate. It's fate. It's fate. All right, well, I'm going to ask Jim some questions about guitar. At the end of that, Eugene, you're going to grade him on his accuracy. Zero through 10, 10's the best. Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on et cetera. We'll add those three scores together.

If you score zero through 10, guitar. It's not good. Oh, like the city? Yeah. The slave stadiums? It's a country, yeah. I told you my theory on the slave stadiums. I know.

11 through 20 keytards. How else are they built? Well, yeah, this is the whole thing. We visit the pyramids, don't we? Yes. Oh, yeah. Why don't we cancel the pyramids? Great Wall of China.

What was the top pay there? Yeah, yeah. We're going to fucking cancel the White House. Yeah. Oh, my God. You go to Constitution Hall. Oh, no. Yeah, Constitution Hall. Yeah, all. Yeah. Yeah. Constitution Hall.

Yeah. All buildings are made by slaves. This building? Oh, I wasn't here for the making. Oh, all of a sudden his hands are clean. Look at this. Watch him back up. I don't know how historically old this place is.

I think it's old. So, zero through 10, you're a guitar. 11 through 20, a keytar. Are you familiar with those? That's when you play the key. Yeah, a keytar. Yeah, yeah. I've seen that.

21 through 30, tuna tartar. Yeah, I like that too. I, I've seen that. 21 through 30, Tuna Tartare. Yeah, I like that too. I think you like that the best. I like that too. Tartare is nice. I misspelled it, Kelly. Did you just add an E to it? Every restaurant.

We're having problems with E's today. Every restaurant has a Tuna Tartare with a bit of avocado and it's made into a towel with some chips. It's good stuff. You can't fail. But don't mince it up so much that it's mush. You want to have a few chunks to it. That's what I'm saying to the restaurant folk out there.

What's a guitar? A guitar? It's an instrument. It's an instrument. It's a string instrument. A string instrument that involves five strings. That was the next question. Five strings?

Yeah, six strings. I don't know. Two big strings? Yeah, five. Or six strings. I don't know. Two big ones. I think five. Five, okay. Oh, no, wait a minute. Six. There's six knobs.

Very good. Yeah, there's six knobs. Six strings. Six strings. That was great. He just tuned it. Yeah, just imagine tuning a guitar because you've seen that happen.

Yeah, yeah, I've seen that happen. She's the best imaginary counter I've ever met. So six strings. Of course it's six strings. I was mixing up with a banjo that only has five. Very, wow. Give him a ten and call it a day. Yeah, we're done.

Four? Yeah. What about a ukulele? No one plays that. Good answer. I think the ukulele's four or five. Five, I don't don't remember i used the one one um it's four four and so so okay so it's it's a string instrument that is it works mostly through using chords but you can use individual notes in it the vibration of the string the shortening of the string makes the note higher the lengthening string makes the

the note lower what are different types of guitars? We have electric guitars. Are we going through all of them bass guitars? Just basic. Electric guitar, bass guitar, acoustic guitar, ukulele. What part of the guitar affects the sound? Well, it all affects the sound. What makes the sound? How does the sound get transmitted to you? The vibration affects the sound. What makes the sound? How does the sound get transmitted to you? The vibration of the string. Okay.

How do you set up a guitar? What do you mean how you set up a guitar? You buy it from the shop and off you go. You have to tune it is the one thing. And that's, you know, you learn how to do that by putting a finger there. And you go ding, ding, ding, ding. Trying to be the next note. Do you know the notes of all the strings the the strings that you're tuning

no but i'm musical enough that if i have one string i can play like a little sort of i can play you know i don't get that right i got given one i don't play it it's in his office i play it sometimes jack plays it every now and again but i've never had a guitar lesson or anything like that i know a couple of chords okay uh. What is equal temperament tuning? Equal temperament tuning. Yeah. I don't know. I have to pass on that.

What are the parts of the guitar? We have a guitar here if you want to see one. Yeah, I can see. I know. I thought we had a guitar. Yeah, I do. Do you want to grab it? Yeah. Well, I know.

You've got the body. We're doing a lot of this audio, so what are the parts? You've got the string, the body, the neck. String, body, neck. Nothing else? You've got the tuning we're doing a lot of this audio so what are the parts you got the string the body the neck string body neck nothing else you got the the tuning knobs uh huh

okay the hole where the amp goes in if you got that style one or even acoustic with the hole with the thing in it then you have to decide

you got that black bit that hangs at the bottom like a teardrop which really doesn't serve a purpose but but it's it's there for

a little bit of looks cause Paul McCartney just has his on the top he obviously buys right handed guitars and doesn't serve a purpose. But it's there for a little bit of looks. Because Paul McCartney just has his on the top. He obviously buys right-handed guitars and doesn't give a fuck and just goes for it. Because I don't think anyone... But I assume that's so that if your fingers click, you won't hurt the wood or whatever. It protects the wood.

And then you have to decide whether you want sunbursted one, you know, sunbursted one, or you just want a normal flat one, or if you Oasis a Union Jack one, or Prince would have a couple of paisley, purpley sort of ones if he was going out there with a curly bit of ducks off the side. What are different styles of guitar playing? Well, you've got acoustic flamingo.

Flamingo? Yeah. Okay. Not the bird, like the flamingo. Flamingo? Yeah. Okay. Not the bird, like the flamingo. Yeah. All right. Do you mean flamenco? Flamenco, that's the one, yeah.

Oh, they're worth the fun. And you've got acoustic, you've got heavy metal guitar, which is more like power chords and fast playing and stuff like that. Basic rock. And then you've got like plucking, where if you want to do individual strings, like classical guitar is a big one as well. And then you have mariachi. That's like where it's a big sort of fatter one

that sits on your stomach. It's mostly restaurant-based. And then you've got... That'll be enough. That shows I know enough. Yeah, that's good. What is a guitar chord? A chord is the same as a piano chord.

It's like chord A, chord B, chord D, chord F. What is a chord, though? A chord A is a grouping of normally three notes putting together to make a harmonious sound of the chord. They have to be within the key. You can have a different type of chords, but your main chords are like that. to make a harmonious sound of the chord. They have to be within the key. You can't, you can have like a different type of chords, but your main chords are like that.

How does an amp work? It amplifies, makes the sound come out louder from the instrument. How does it work? Like how does a guitar know to tell it? It plugs into the thing, man. There's a cable that runs from it. You've never seen this. I've seen it, yeah.

What does the pedal do? The pedal, often known as a wah-wah pedal, can make it go, like, it can actually just change the sound of the thing. Like, because that's the handle goes, wah-wah-wah, the handle that dangles off. No one needs that, really. And then the pedal will give you different

settings that you can do within the song or for when you're changing from song to song like your guitar that you have a different reverb and things like that how do you care for your guitar at home what do you do or what are you supposed to do oh i leave it in the same room where the cat shits okay otherwise known as my office my wife has made it into the cat shit room that's where the cat box is it is

there's two cat boxes there yeah well we had an argument the other day about it because my wife said if you want to get cats you have to

clear the shit and she goes I will I will anyway this thing was filled with shit it hadn't been changed in a while I must have gone

nose blind my wife went I changed it yesterday and I was holding a bag of cat shit going this is more than I shit in a week been changed about i must have gone nose blind my wife went i changed it yesterday and i was holding a bag of cat shit going this is more than i shit in a week there's no way and she's like they must have eaten on she was sticking digging her heels in if she just went yeah it's been a few days give me three days i would have believed you but she's like I changed it yesterday no way in this world um when and where did the first guitar like instruments originate

I would say Europe it would have been the loot would have been your first endeavor into the guitar world and that was like back in court jest of the king's realm type of thing. So I'm going to say like the 1400s. And, you know, what country? I'm going to say, I'm going to say merry old England. Oh, and France. What were the earliest forms of guitars? What did they kind of look like? They were like, they had a shorter neck and they had a big bulbous circle there

and a little body of guitar and a hole. And they were mostly played by sort of entertainment royalty. I already said this. Okay, well, the next question was how did the guitar evolve throughout history? Okay, first of all, kings and queens, lute, luten all the time. Luting. Probably came from the town of luton in britain which is about an hour outside the town yeah yeah luton airport that's a

satellite airport of london um uh so i'm gonna say from luton in england okay and then like important innovations in guitar design and technology do you know who did that or when it was? Well, the big innovations. They modernized it. The big innovations, obviously, going from acoustic to electric. And I don't know exactly when it happened, but I would say after Edison. So I'm going to go.

The electric guitar probably came into play. It wouldn't have been that long before the Beatles and Elvis. Elvis was in the, I'm going to say, probably invented around 1945, brought into, like, the real world about 1951, and then sort of brought to the masses sort of by 1955. Here's some innovations. I'm going to name them and see if these mean anything to you. X-bracing. Oh, that's

when you treat a girl really badly so she'll dump you. Getting her ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah. X-bracing. Do you know anything about steel guitar? Oh, the steel guitar. Is that that one where in Hawaii

they play with their finger with the thing on the thing and they go... Very good. All right. What about the dreadnought guitar? The dreadnought. Dreadnought guitar. I would say that would be some type of...

Hitler would have had a dreadnought guitar. I'll say it's a Nazi guitar. Do you know what a fret is, by the way? I didn't even ask that. The frets are the different lines that are on the neck of the guitar so that you can hold the thing down so the string holds onto a different... Do you know how many there are? I think I confused that.

He's counting for our listeners at home. 16. Okay. Do you know anything about a seven-string guitar? I'm just reading about it now. I know that there's guitars that are 10-string, six-string, 12-string guitars where they double up on all the strings,

and I believe that helps something a seven string guitar I don't really and I never understood the guitar with like the three necks and all that type of stuff I think that's a bit of wank

I don't know if that really works no the one two three yeah that was a big thing in the 80s where you're like I do not have

a double neck no I do not have a double neck guitar I've seen a triple neck you know why because I'm not a wank yeah yeah. I've seen a triple neck. You know why? Because I'm not a wank. Yeah, yeah.

Because they're wank. That's exactly right. Who were some influential guitar makers in history? Fender was your big one. You know, first name or it doesn't matter if you know. Dennis Fender. Dennis Fender, yeah. And then Fender.

Who was the other? Oh, Hoffner. Hoffner? Yeah. I don't know. Paul McCartney plays a Hoffner bass. Okay. That was his big one.

What other ones can I think of throughout time? Another real famous one. Those ones that have the big triangle like that, the back. Flying Vs. Yeah, the Flying Vs, those ones. They were the ones that were given originally to wild stallion by uh george carlin flying v is the name of the person that made it sure um what about roles guitar plays in different cultures musical traditions you've mentioned some of that stuff but there's anything else you want to um well you know it's look it's

the instrument of choice for the busker you know you can't be that good a piano player so i assume throughout history that people it's like easiest one to pick up chicks you know like you know at a party you pick up a guitar you sing a song off you go you know you can't work for me you can't do is it that simple jack yeah the problem with jack is he keeps playing the songs okay cool I got this other one you might have heard yeah like like he had Stacey's Welcome like you like you gotta you gotta get off the guitar start talking to the women I just attract other dudes like what guitar is that man look at my fritz um so uh okay so what was the question man I was just talking about like

different cultures like if you had any yeah I believe it wasn't always you know i'm trying to think like if mozart used guitars or anything like that or anything i think he was still violins and like that was so um i would i would say it was just pick up chicks culturally and then in pop music like how did when did guitar start influencing pop music how did that come about like you know okay so I would say if we're calling early rock pop rock yeah popular music okay so I would say okay so Bill Haley in the okay so let's go back to the original sort of a okay certain it has to be even earlier than what I said with the electric guitar because Buddy Holly and the crickets were before or simultaneous like a little bit before Elvis,

and he used electric guitar. He just used, I think, a bass, him playing electric guitar and a drummer, like it was, you know, the Green Day model. And that would have been sort of the very start, Buddy Holly and the Crickets. So I'm going to say 1950. Okay.

And then what about like Western music? Country Western. Country Western music. Well, this is the thing. Waylon Jennings was one of the Crickets. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Waylon Jennings, actually, he was the one who lost the coin toss with Richie Valens and was meant to be on the plane. And he said to him, I hope your plane fucking crashes as they leave. And he carried that around. Maybe he didn't put the fucking in. I don't know.

But there's something that just. It was pretty cold that night. He probably did say that. But yes, he was one of the crickets. Yeah. So it would have gone straight into country and Western. Very similar time to that of rock and roll. Maybe five years later, but nothing too substantial.

How about name some famous guitarists throughout history? Jimi Hendrix was a popular one. Yeah. But there's plenty of people who play guitar. You could say- I'm talking about big names. You could say George Harrison was a famous guitarist, but he's not one of these- I don't think he's associated with guitar playing.

We've had one as a guest on the podcast. But you could say George Harrison. I think it's fine. He plays guitar. Yeah. Slash is obviously a popular one throughout so what'd you say we've had we've had one yeah we did we had one i guess what's his name from toto what's your name steve lucathan here we go um yeah but there's bigger ones than that he's not like jimmy hendrix is like he might be but he's not like seen as this jim Hendrix-like character. Jimi Hendrix is a big one.

But I think the whole thing with Jimi Hendrix and Slash is part of it's got to do with the look. Sure. The look really makes you go, oh, that person. Because I know people who say that Mark Knopfler, greatest guitarist I've ever seen or something like that. He's great, I think. Yeah, I think he might be.

But, you know, he doesn't have the cool look. He's just wearing a bandana. A very famous one died about a year ago. Maybe it was a year and a half ago. The guy who sings Feliz Navidad. Yeah, he doesn't have the cool look. He's just wearing a bandana. A very famous one died about a year ago. Maybe it was a year and a half ago. The guy who sings Feliz Navidad. Yeah, he's huge. Yeah, he is. He's blind, right?

That's not who I was talking about, but yeah, sure. Jose Feliciano, he's great. He did The Doors Light My Fire. Yeah, yeah. He covered Jose Feliciano. Yeah. And Ed Sullivan, always the master of tasteful introductions. After Jose performed, he said, Jose, I can't do impersonation but jose feliciano

blind and puerto rican and then and then jose went i'm puerto rican i'm trying to think of other like sort of just sort of a guy that died he was in a big band like two years ago i think he died they. They're from here. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, Pete Townsend. Yeah, you're doing great. Eric Clapton. There's another one. What about this?

What are some famous guitars in history? The actual guitars. That was your last question. What do you mean, like famous visually? Like they're famous because a person played them and made them famous. Some of them had names. You've already mentioned one of them. Oh, okay.

So B.B. King had Lucille. Very good. That's probably the most famous one. That's the most famous. B.B. King had Lucille. I saw an interview with him why it was named Lucille, too. Oh, okay. That was good. By all means, use that. I'll forget those. I'm going to give you the Hoffner in here because you already said it earlier. Paul McCartney's

Hoffner bass. Famous guitarist. There's someone famous that did play a double neck one. Slash played a Fender, I believe. Paul McCartney's Hoffner bass famous guitar there's someone famous Slash played a Fender I believe there's one that is named the title of the episode that we did this week do you see it for us? Penguins?

oh yeah there is I didn't know that was the name of his guitar the Gretsch company had a penguin model oddly enough but the guy who I was trying to get he died maybe a year and aretsch Company had a Penguin model, oddly enough, in the 50s. But the guy who I was trying to get, he died maybe a year and a half ago. He had a guitar that he named it because he made it himself. The Creature.

Oh, okay. So one of the famous ones is Brian May from Queen had a guitar that was made out of the fireplace that his father built with him, and he still uses it, and he still uses a five-pence piece to strum with. He never used a pick. He still uses the same guitar. All right, I think that's good. I think we'll have a conversation about all this stuff here. It was Frankenstein, by the way.

Yeah. Yeah. Eddie Van Halen. Eddie Van Halen. Oh, Eddie Van Halen. I don't know about Eddie Van Halen. Well, I'm not Eddie Van Halen. He's a lot of good guitar players.

May I have one more on the famous guitars? Sure, yeah. So Willie Nelson's famous acoustic guitar is known as Trigger. He's a little good to top May I have one more On the famous guitar Sure yeah So Willie Nelson's Famous acoustic guitar Is known as Trigger And it's significant Because it's a Nylon string guitar

You don't want to Mispronounce that in the south No Very carefully And he uses a pick Which you're not supposed to On a nylon string guitar It does not have a pick guard

That's that teardrop Classic I'm talking about So take a look at Willie Nelson's guitar, Trigger, and you'll see why pickguard is kind of essential. Yeah, but he's had it

for fucking 90 years. Oh, wow. Yeah, but some people have guitars for years. Oh, yeah, it's like, wow. This thing's beat to hell. I've played Trigger

and it's a very special guitar. It's kind of a wonder that it's still, I mean, once a year it goes back to the Martin factory in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. Another Nazareth. It's a very special guitar. It's kind of a wonder that it's still – I mean, once a year it goes back to the Martin Factory in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. Another Nazareth. It's because they have to treat the top just so it doesn't completely –

It's trashed. Yeah. I've seen it before. I've seen him playing this now before. And everyone's signed their name on it. It looks better than Pete Townsend's guitars. How did Jim do on his knowledge of guitars, Eugene? With accuracy, I have to say you were a hard eight.

All right. Nice. were a hard eight. All right. Nice. Yeah, hard eight. I was very, very impressed with how you formulated your answers, your process of elimination. You clearly have a lot of practice at this. Oh, yes. But yeah, we'll fill in the blanks. I bullshit my way through life.

Hey, man. It's working so far. How do you do on confidence? I'm going to give him a seven. A hard seven. He was hard. All right. That was a seven. I'll give you seven. Tuna tartare. Yay. Did to give him a seven. Hard seven. He was hard. That was a seven. I'll give you seven.

Tuna Tartare. Yay. Did you like it? Wow. Just because. So we can just start going through them. Like, what is a guitar? A guitar, it's a stringed musical instrument, as you said.

It has a fretted fingerboard. You mentioned that. It typically, with incurved sides, that kind of very womanly shape, if you will, six or 12 strings played by either using, just plucking with your fingers or using a pick or a plectrum, as they call it in England. And that's about it.

And the curved sides are just so you can put it on your leg, right? That's exactly right. And so you can whack a boob. You have a boob in here. There's a lot of literature about this. They think that maybe that shape starts taking form in Spain. And mostly, and also Portuguese sailors who probably needed the shape of a woman to accompany them on a boat. There's some theories that there's a reason why they went with that.

And guitars typically have six strings. There are 12-string guitars, as you know, and then kind of on the fringes of jazz and classical, they will add a seventh string, but six is the most common number. Why? I've heard the 12-string guitars. They sound really good, but is that why? They're great. They're fantastic. When we get to the innovations,

you'll see that a vast majority of the innovations of the instrument involve trying to make it louder and louder and louder, starting in 16th century Spain. This is where we really start to get away from the lute and vilhuelas. These are various stringed instruments, fretted instruments that were going across Europe. But they start to, the innovations are really

about it getting to project larger in a room. And so by the time you got to the 12 strings, that was just yet another thing they did to try and make it just kind of more fortified. And then the different types of guitars, I figure electric, bass, and acoustic, that's it. I mean, it really, really falls to that. In fact, we have this great word, a retronym.

Do you know what a retronym is? No, I don't know what a modern name is. A retronym is when we have to go back and rename something because of the invention or innovation of a new thing. Oh, like when we renamed World War I. Perfect retronym. Perfect World War I.

It was the Great War. They didn't call it World War I. They weren't expecting a second one. Yeah, they did Great War first. They called it the Great War and then World War II came around and went, this one's even bigger. Greater War.

More great. So, therefore, an acoustic guitar is a retronym. Right. It was just a guitar. Then the electric guitar gets mentioned. We've got to call that thing something. So, the parts of the guitar that affect the sound, the strings mostly, because either they're steel or they're now nylon. Of course, centuries ago, they would have been sheep gut was usually used.

Oh, wow. Because you could stretch it really tight. Yeah, get away from that. And then also the pickups. If it's an electric guitar, the pickups are the main. The pegups. That wasn't. Usually, those are coiled magnets that are picking up the vibration of the string as you hit it.

And it's transferring that vibration via. Who's credited with inventing it? A man by the name of Duchamp and he worked for the Rickenbacker company Rickenbacker there's one

That's yeah very German Tom Petty played that one right? I didn't know that was named after a guy Harrison had a Rickenbacker as well

Very much Yeah a lot of famous players use Rickenbacker Great great guitarist That's a person as well? Rickenbacker? Yeah Yeah

But the 1937 is when they first put a pickup on a guitar and get it to work. But it took years for that to kind of, the next few years to, again, just to make this thing louder. At that point in the 30s, guitars were being used a lot in big bands. And usually it's a rhythm instrument.

So you hear that that sort of and the horns are going and everyone's blasting and they're just loud and say hey take a good take a solo guitar player it's just i'm playing i can't hear it can't be heard so trying to figure out a way to make it louder and they had gone to an arch top at one point inspired by cellos and violins hoping that that would project the sound the X bracing that you mentioned earlier that was by Frank Martin and Harry Hunt some of those some of those early guitars had the little cuts into them little you're gonna like this one Florentines or whatever called F holes yeah yeah Florentine because of the Florentine cut very good this guy's good mm-hmm you know Florentine musical theater school that's right yeah I did you know Florentine? Musical theater school. I always studied musical theater.

That's right. I figured you might know some of the stuff. I thought maybe it was just all from your guitar you own. No, that falls on that one. What kind of guitar do you own? I was curious. Yamaha or something. You have a Recording King.

Oh, great. It looks like a triple O shape. I don't know what they call it for Recording King. I also bought a guitar thinking I was going to take lessons, and I never have. I've had it for about eight years. I'm right here. Okay, well, I'll be calling. I used to take lessons. I can play a little bit, but what do I have now? lessons and I never have. I've had it for about eight years. I'm right here. Okay, well, I'll be calling.

I used to take lessons. I can play a little bit, but what do I have now? I remember I should have. Don't you have a Strat? No, no, that got rid of the Martin. Oh, you have a Martin. Yeah, you have a Martin. All I know is that my hands cramp up each night from playing Call of Duty.

So I don't know if I'm. The guitar's just not in your future. I don't know if I have it. No, the guitar's good for that because you want to vary your movement. That's how we get things like carpal tunnel syndrome and because of the repetitive motion. So if you vary your motion, I say this to students, if your hand does start to cramp up because you're working on the same chord or same pattern over again, switch the patterns up or just put the guitar down.

Walk away from it. You can still, you can practice plenty without a guitar in your hands. You can practice on rhythm. There's a lot of things you can do. No guitar, no problem is what we call it. Yeah, maybe I'll take some. I can play like songs. I'm in my putting it down period.

I can play some chords. I know some of the scales and then I can play some songs. Mostly Pink Floyd stuff. Perfect. Turns out he's amazing. He's going to floor us. Not really. I can play Over the Hills and Far Away actually. That one's Yeah, right. He's going to floor us. Yeah, not really. I could play Over the Hills and Far Away, actually,

if I was up in two. That one's kind of tough. It's funny when you said that the dreadnought was a Nazi guitar. The dreadnought was something that, the dreadnought guitar is an acoustic guitar started by the Martin Guitar Company. Frederick Martin, their family was actually originally from Germany, but they settled in Pennsylvania. And they came up with a certain bracing of the wood

inside of the acoustic, again, to get get maximum volume but also kind of keeping this thing stable before that there was a Spanish luthier the last name of Torres the most significant guitar maker in the 19th century easily especially because he came up he formulated the guitar which is not only classical guitar but that's mostly the guitar that got to the United States in the 20th century. And so everything was based on that shape and that sound. We threw steel strings on it to make it louder. That's just going to be the common theme here of all those innovations.

Make it louder. Louder and louder. Make it louder. Make it louder. Death metal. Yeah. Now we're there. Yeah.

And now it's just sort of like we've reached the pinnacle. It's a little bit too loud now. It's getting older. I saw ACD's in concert. My ears hurt forever. I'm going to put Angus Young in there. I consider him. Yeah, I think in a sneaky way, I think he is as iconic as Hendrix.

And I think the fact that he's been around so long and so steadily. I saw him in concert. He was thrashing his head around. If I do that for a minute, I'm like, the next day I'm in pain. He's an old man. He was thrashing his head around. He broke a string. He went off to the side.

He still kept on thrashing his head around. They handed him another guitar, and he didn't miss a beat. He didn't stop. He didn't at one stage just go, hang on, I'm gonna get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I break character on stage all the time. Yeah, somebody says,

hey, you're like, what are you saying? I'm halfway through jokes and I'm like, put your phone down, please. But I think to Jim's point too is like, I guess he has that look too.

He's got the outfit. He's got the- Like Donald Duck or Pee Wee Herman. He just never changes the outfit. His style is so sick. Even if you didn't know his age, you'd need to be a turtle. I don't know if he's an amazing player or anything, but he's amazing to watch. So he's got the Chuck Berry jump, right?

And that was like a classic type of thing. Was Chuck Berry an amazing guitarist? I know he was like a rocker. I'll say he was more, he was an important guitar player more than he was an amazing guitar player. Chuck Berry significantly takes three and four part horn figures from like Louis Jordan, Wynonna Harris, from the jump blues of the 40s. And during the war, a lot of our men just went off to war.

And so the bands got smaller, right? We no longer have four horns. But we've got a guitar player with six strings. Can you play the intro to Ain't Nobody Here But Us Chickens on guitar? So when we hear that classic Johnny B. Goode intro, you have to imagine that being played on two saxophones at the same time, these what we call double stops. And Chuck transfers that to guitar in the clubs around the St. Louis area at the time. And that more more than anything else, is the beginning of rock and roll guitar as we know it. In fact, if we want to talk about how important he is, are you familiar with the movie Back to the Future? Yes.

Okay, I have a question. Go. Okay, so when the guy breaks his hand trying to get Marty McFly out of the – I've never seen the film, but of course. When he tries to get Marty McFly out of the trunk and he hurts his hand he's like hey man that's our hand i can't play anymore he's like oh no my mother and father kissed the next song you have to play and then marty mcfly is up there and the guy's got a bandage on his hand and then they kiss and then his hand grows back and then he goes i'll play your song and then he plays johnny be good and then the guy goes off to the phone and goes it it's your cousin, Marvin Berry.

Marvin Berry. You know that sound you were looking for? Listen to this. Why didn't Marvin take it? Why would he call his cousin, who very clearly he never calls because he had to repeat Marvin twice to him. He's playing at a high school prom. Yeah, but he was also a guitarist.

You're right. Chuck was doing nothing. Marvin should have swooped in and become the great guitarist. Why not just make that guy Chuck Berry in the film? Question. That's a good question. I don't know. You know, it's funny because I know you discuss religions a lot.

It's always, it's the one guy that goes to take a nap somewhere and he comes up and says, turns out I'm the chosen one. But in this one case, Marvin's not the chosen one. He comes back from the inspirational moment and says, it's you, Chuck. It's my cousin, everybody. That's kind of weird. Yeah comes back from the inspiration that the the inspirational moment and says it's you Chuck it's my cousin everybody that's kind of a weird yeah I never thought no there's a thing about that but why does he play Johnny be good because it just stands as its most iconic it's just like this big big moment and we're kind of contrasting that with like Eddie Van Halen in 1985 the style he's playing when he's in the present when he goes

back and by the way here's an anachronism because that particular guitar the that people Gibson guitar that that he's using the present. When he goes back, and by the way, it's an anachronism because that particular guitar, that particular Gibson guitar that he's using in that scene at the prom, the type that Chuck Berry used, but it wasn't made. Gibson, put that there. Gibson, right.

But it wasn't made in 1955. It was produced two or three years later. So that guitar would not have been available on November 5th, 1955. And that was the part of the film

that you thought wasn't realistic? That was the part that brought up the thing. He plays, he has a guitar play. You would stick out the same way, yeah. And that was the part of the film that you thought wasn't realistic? That was the part that brought up the thing. He plays, he has a guitar play. You would stick out the same way, yeah. That, and I don't believe the Irish ever made a car, the DeLorean.

I sit on by that story. Well, it's the Northern Irish. They're a different bunch. They made two things, the Titanic and the DeLorean. Both great successes. Crushed it. Jim says he's just buying a guitar. They have a museum in Belfast for the Titanic.

They're very proud of it. This is where we made it. Come and see where we made the bolt. Come and walk around. It was the finest bolt. To be fair, not everybody died. No, not everyone. It ruined the environment a little bit we had one less iceberg yeah we just did a episode of penguins yeah yeah a couple of penguins went down

um so when you set up a guitar i thought you just you could just buy one but apparently there's a lot of stuff you got to do to it when you buy one when you set it up or yeah you're a real guitarist well even even the hobbyist apparently there's a lot of stuff you've got to do to it when you buy one. You set it up. Yeah. If you're a real guitarist. Well, even the hobbyist, there's some basic care and feeding for a guitar. Change the strings regularly. Now, how often should one change the strings? It depends on how often one plays the guitar, obviously. It's like tires on a car.

Clean the fretboard. I don't like to use sprays. Just a clean, soft cloth. Just wipe it down after you play. There's a lot of oils and stuff that come off our fingertips and it kind of gunks up on the string, affects the sound, it kind of makes it,

so wipe down the fretboard. Avoid extreme temperatures if you can. It never leaves your quote unquote office, which is good, I'm sure it's- It's like a humidor in there.

Keeps the cat shit at a particular smell. Yeah, so, and then some people that live in really dry environments they actually are humidifiers that they make

for acoustic guitars that fit into the sound hole to kind of keep he's always so Jack performing somewhere it was hot and Jack kept re-tuning

and he was very unhappy yeah oh yeah that was the hotel cafe that room was really hot for some reason so all the guitars just kept going flat so the hotter it is

you gotta keep so if you're at an outdoor festival, it's a nightmare. Don't get me started. Yeah, so really, really hot rooms. And this is just basic science, of course. Is that why you've never really met

a good Arab guitarist? Like, not like... Because it's very hot out there. There's never been bands from Vegas. They're all flat. Yeah, the guitars are flat. Name me a big Palm Springs guitarist.

Right. Good point. Too cold inside, too hot outside. That's it. Right. You need a happy medium. Extreme cold, if the guitar sits in a cold room for after a while, it's going to go sharp because things are going to contract, right? And heat things expand.

So, hence the flat or sharp things. But, yeah, extreme temperatures. And when we play gigs and we'll play outdoor festivals in texas in summer and and we've played in freezing temperatures also outdoors then uh my guitar tech knows that just keep them coming keep keep one freshly tuned and keep when did that become a thing because it looked like the beatles just had their four instruments right and then now you see like bands and this is rings and reams and re and rings and rings of different guitars. That started in the 70s. Okay, so rock and roll in particular kind of blew up by 1973. Everything transfers to like stadiums and it becomes a big, big economy, right?

Now we're filling stadiums. We're rising ticket prices. The bands are now flying in private jets. They're hubbing out of one city. They're not going to hang out with the audience afterwards. It's not like the loose 60s thing anymore. So things have become very, very professional.

And of course, album sales have gone crazy. So the audience comes to these arena shows. We take, uh, and, uh, so you're seeing like Led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page is going to use the same

Les Paul as long as he can throughout the performance, his preferred guitar. But Lord knows there's other spares because at this point you don't want to just like watch this guy tune his guitar. So you can afford to have a second guy and other guitars and just keep them coming uh and now i'd say now it's it's really really common because uh you know stadium shows whether it's country or rock or pop i mean they're finely tuned productions everything's paced the lighting the dancers everything's paced so specifically that on stage there's not room for someone who's kind of like talking to and chat with his audience.

You know, they've got to keep it going. So, yeah, that's what happened in the 70s. So let's talk about famous guitarists throughout history. Let's do so. Because I think that it's image more than actual play. So I watch like, say, Paul McCartney has this guy who plays for him who looks like he's the greatest guitarist that ever lived. The blonde guy looks a bit like Steve Tyler, right?

And then you got like, and I think it's a lot to do with kicking your head. Like if you're like Hendrix is like, I'm going to fire and all that type of stuff. But I think you can make that sound just standing stillish. Yeah. They call it guitar face. Yeah, yeah. And so you've got. John Mayer does it. Yeah. I like the band guitar face yeah yeah and so you've got John Mayer does

it yeah yeah I've liked the band guitar face it's wrong anyway but then you got like so it's like Noel Gallagher might be a great guitarist I'm not sure but he doesn't really move very much him and his brothers are very stationary men yeah they had this great bit because they started in pubs and there's no room to move and no one cared that they were there so they didn't put on a show and then as things got better they we never learned how to do that so why change yeah yeah but they like but that adds to their insouciance that made them but then you look at pete townsend is he a great guitarist because he's twirling he's windmilling his arm around so pete yeah pete's a a double-headed monster

because he's both he's obviously wildly charismatic on stage. And he said that Who performances were a three-way battle for the audience's attention between him, Roger, and Keith. John Entwistle, the bass player, never entered the contest. By the way, Entwistle is playing incredibly difficult and very, very dynamic bass stuff and doesn't move. So he's going the other way. But Townsend with the windmills and the stage leaps, and I just think he's compelling.

To this day, I can't take my eyes off of him. Then you listen to the records and it's like, oh my God, this guy, he's very influenced by flamenco guitar. The intro to Pinball Wizard, that really fast strumming, that's very flamenco style. And then he can play in that hard rock, that kind of blues influence, hard rock vein. I think the guitar solo on Eminence Front is really, really tasty.

Who are your top ten guitars? Oh, okay. We will go. Certainly, so actually my number one is relatively obscure. A guy named Peter Green, and he was a British blues guitar player, and he was the original founding member of Fleetwood Mac. Okay. And he wrote Black Magic Woman that Santana then covered.

original founding member of Fleetwood Mac. Okay. And he wrote Black Magic Woman that Santana then covered. He was a bit of an enigmatic guy, but his playing still is incredibly. George Harrison, certainly. Is he? Absolutely. George Harrison. Really?

He's one of the best guitarists. I think he's good, but I didn't know. Yeah. He's a great guitarist. George Harrison, especially if you play in a band and you play song-based music. So we're not talking about jazz or where you just play these long excursions. We're not talking about classical music where you're reading something that was written years ago and you have,

and it's based on how exact you can do it, right? Not recital. It's somewhere in between. So, you know, can you play the chord at the beginning of a hard day's night? Yes.

It's a really tricky one though. And the trick is because on the record, there's a piano is playing a very low C note in the bass and Paul's bass is also playing a C. So you kind of, it's a bit of a trick because it expands many octaves, but I've faked it before. I had that question from someone who is going to be doing it on stage soon. And I made a little video like this is your best shot. It's great.

But that's a great example though. Just with the 12th string, that's the 12th string Rickenbacker that we're hearing right there. To find this very evocative thing to come into the intro of that song. I mean, it really does sound like Technicolor. I mean, just that chord, it means so much. It sounds like the explosion of youth. It sounds like a whole new era starting just with this clang. It's just...

That's how they start the Beatles love show. I mean, they do like some real... But then that chord comes in. It's like everything falls. And we're off to the races. So Harrison always has the right part for everything. Amongst a band that in, what, seven recording years changed so many styles. And I would say, if you don't have George Harris, well, they're all important.

But Harrison actually adds technique as the Beatles go on. He didn't have any blues in his playing. He started out playing like rockabilly and Chet Atkins style country stuff. The solo to All My Loving. It's a classic Carl Perkins, Chet Atkins move. He's playing a little double harmony stuff.

It's just gorgeous, exquisite. But he doesn't have a single note vibrato which is where you take a string and you shake it to emulate the human voice you sing a voice well

I know about this but he doesn't have that in his technique but he adds it and by the time we get to like his guitar solo on something

it's so elegaic it's just so graceful it's so smooth well my guitar gently weeps his old vibrato isn't it that's Eric Clapton

he did the solo playing lead oh he's playing guitar yeah Eric Clapton's playing guitar vibrato, isn't it? That's Eric Clapton. Yeah, he did the solo. Playing lead. Oh, he's playing guitar. Yeah, Eric Clapton's playing guitar. But you're right. That is very much. Clapton was a master of vibrato.

And that's where Harrison, they were buddies. Yeah. Until he started fucking his wife. And they were still buddies. Remaining buddies. Wait, did that really happen? Who fucked who? Okay, so Patti Smith.

Boyd. Boyd. Patti Boyd, who was an extra in, she was a featured extra in A Hard Day's Night, right? She was maybe 17, 18 then. And like, George Harrison was only 21. Exactly. Right. So, I'm just putting into context, right?

And so, he starts dating her. They get married. And then, Clapton falls in love with Harrison's wife. She runs off with Clapton and they remain friends and all still hang out together afterwards. Play it on now. And Harrison, well, no, that stage Harrison was still, because she had the song Something written about her and then he wrote The Way You Look Tonight about her.

Clapton wrote The Way You Look Tonight. I think Layla was code or something. You think about Wonderful Tonight. Oh, you look wonderful. But that's the 78. You're right. Layla is written about, that whole album is about just his passion for her

and inspired by a Persian song. I don't think she's had, there's anyone on earth who's had more songs written about them that hasn't been like a king or queen. Yeah, yeah, wow.

You know what I mean? And she's still around. She's just, she's just there, just like famously just dated a couple of rockers. She must be a very charming lady.

Yeah. I hope, yeah. I'll tell you one of my favorite guitars, Steve Ray Vaughan, was, when i was young i used to i'm still listening to him but i thought he was amazing i don't know where he ranks for you highly yeah highly no steve ray vaughn is actually one of the few people and there were people like stephen stills that knew both jimi hendrix and steve ray vaughn there was actually stevie's bass player uh knew jimi hendrix in fact so anybody who knew them both and saw them both play said it was striking that Stevie Ray was the only other guy that could do Hendrix-like things.

It had a lot to do with the size of the hands and just the way they just dominated that instrument. You want big hands here? What was – I don't know. I've seen – there's a country guitar player named Red Volkart. Brilliant player, and he's this very hefty guy. And his fingers are thick thick sausages right you'd never think that he could possibly even you know play a melody his fingers look so thick it

looks impossible and he plays just these beautiful graceful lines so i think that it's a more matter of willpower i mean even if someone has very small hands you can always get like a three-quarter guitar um you know they make never seenwarf though that was really good. You know, those guys at anything are awfully sweet. I'm joking, I'm joking.

Steve Ray Vaughan, wasn't, I just was reading about the relationship with him and David Bowie, I didn't even know that he played,

didn't he play on that album? He's on China Girl and Let's Dance, those two songs. Yeah. He's playing the lead. And then he asked him

to go on tour with him or something, I don't know. So yeah, the offer was that Bowie was so impressed He's playing the lead. And then he asked him to go on tour with him or something. I don't know. So, yeah, the offer was that Bowie was so impressed with him. He says, look, I'm going to go on this massive tour. I'd like you to play guitar in my band. And I'd like your band to be open. And it was China Girl on which one?

And Let's Dance. Let's Dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Identify his playing. But the rule was management said, that's fine. We can have Stevie do that, which would be a huge, huge break for his career. Then it turned out like, no, your band's not going to open. So now it's like, okay.

And then also, but if, and you're not really to do any interviews about your material in your career during that tour, which means that Stevie's got, but I've got an album out and my band's just supposed to sit at home and I can't publicize what's going on. So Stevie didn't take the deal which must have been a really tempting deal but he stuck to his guns. Have you ever seen the video clip for Let's Dance? No.

It's worth a watch. It's set in an outback Australian pub. He was obviously on tour in Australia because this is one of those ones with the tiles up the wall. Those tiles were on the wall because Australians used to just piss everywhere because we were like animals.

Really? Yeah, and you see the tiles outside. That's to piss against the wall in these outback pubs. That's a great detail. And then they started putting them along the bar there because men would just have a piss just along there. It was just for cleanliness reasons. I was just like near Darwin or something. Yeah, it's like an outback pub.

It could have been one. But I mean like that kind of thing. We have these pubs in Sydney, but they made it look like it was an outback. You know the style of pubs, those old pubs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a few, yeah. And it had just like Australian it was in the 70s

right maybe was it about 70s 83 so just a whole lot of Australian but like one of them was just wearing

G'day Australia t-shirt he was clearly on tour he just went down to a pub and it's funny because in the video

then he's miming guitar the Steve Ray Vaughan solo I was 10 and he's got white gloves. Yeah. The Steve Ray Vaughan solo. I was 10. And he's got white gloves on. He has white gloves on.

And I'm thinking, Bowie doesn't play. That's not. Yeah. Something's off here. Plus you can hear it if you know Steve Ray Vaughan. Yeah. And it lets dance. And this is like a Australian bogan.

It's like a scene from Kath and Kim famous guitars in history I know we still we're only up to top 10 I'm so sorry Jeff Beck who just passed away

recently massive talent one of my favorites is a guy from an LA band called Los Lobos his name is David Hidalgo he's a big hero

yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly Hidalgo's tremendous Chet Atkins was great B.B. King was great of course I'm such a guitar nut

that of course I'm going to leave out someone I'm going to feel terrible Mark Knopfler is a beautiful guitar player I have an album with him and Chet Atkins

people always rate Mark Knopfler yeah and Clapton does he make it in they used to call him Slow Hand or something because he looked like

he wasn't putting a lot of effort in but everyone was coming in or is that a bit of effort in but everyone was coming. No. Or is that a bit of a myth? It was a cocaine thing maybe.

I don't know. The name came from he had a habit in the early days in the blues clubs in England of breaking strings. He played so hard and he bent them

and it was always you know he didn't have a tech so he had to wait for him to change his string and the sweaty club and the kind of the more

kind of the rude boys there would do this slow, sarcastic clap. Yeah, yeah. That's the British for you. So he had that nickname for a while, but then they called him God. Yeah, yeah. That won't go to your head. Yeah. Does Keith Richards write?

He does. He's a blues guitarist, isn't he? Well, he ranks because of his ability to write a riff. Now, his guitar, in the late 60s, he picks up an open tuning. He gets it from a guitar player named Ry Cooter. And it's tuned to an open chord. And he takes the low E string off. So it's just a five-string guitar.

And as Keith says, his style at that point became five strings, three fingers, one asshole. And so when we hear like the riffs to Brown Sugar and Start Me Up, and that's kind of that classic Stone style riff. Yeah, I mean, it starts with him. It's kind of a combination of Chuck Berry and blues and slide players. And he's able to synthesize a lot of different parts of Roots music all kind of in his one style. Who was the best guitarist, Lennon or McCartney?

Oh, Paul. Yeah, I think Paul. Because you never hear anything as intricate as Blackbird coming out of Lennon. Well, there is Julia, which is a very particular picking pattern that Donovan taught him when they were in India. So when John put his mind to it, he could play very, very well. And in the early records, John's very important. His rhythm playing is actually very, very important.

The rhythm, the way he holds down that rhythm, he's very, very steady. But as things progress, frankly, at the same time, John, he gets a little less interested in being a Beatle, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's not really pouring himself into it, not at the level of Paul,

who's working on his piano technique. Paul's still interested in being a pianist. Like, how much money do you need, man? Take a month off. I've never seen anyone work harder. Yeah, yeah. Because I went and saw Paul McCartney in concert, and I've seen him many, many times. One time I saw him, and there was about, I don't know, 800 people, or maybe 600 people there in a very small venue in New York.

And it was on Valentine's Day, and we were snowed into New York, and we couldn't get out. So we stayed. I'd done my gig, and we stayed in New York, and we saw Paul McCartney going, we cancelled my show because we couldn't get out because of the snow. And it was because it was, I don't know, the 40th or 50th anniversary of SNL was the next night.

Okay. Right? So Paul McCartney had a night off in new york and still did a concert for 400 people maybe yeah yeah and you're like what are you doing man and then the next day on snl his voice was a bit ripped up and you're like what you wanted to hang out with david spade and stuff what happened um famous guitars in history he said bb king lucille that was one. There was Eddie Van Halen, Frankenstein. I mean.

And Jimmy Page famously played that double neck Gibson on stage. The wank guitar. Yeah. Now that had some function to it because

they had recorded the song Stairway to Heaven which he used. Like you got up octaves or something was it? Was it a high note? So Stairway to Heaven

starts on a six string acoustic guitar. Then we hear a 12 string electric guitar. Then it goes to a higher note so there's so the so stairway to heaven starts on a six string acoustic guitar then we hear a 12 string electric guitar then it goes to a six string electric guitar right in those three phases of the song so how do you pull that off live just change it as you go but he was able to i don't have a motorcycle strapped to me car uh so i think people in fact speaking of mccartney in the song rock show by Wings, he says, what's that man moving across the stage? It looks a lot like the one used by Jimmy Page. It looks like a relic from a different age. So he's referencing that double neck guitar.

But you mentioned Paul's Hoffner violin bass. Now, Hoffner is kind of the budget brand in Germany at the time. So it was, but even if you're a budget brand, if one of your model instruments lands in the right hands, it ends up on Ed Sullivan in 1964. The rest is history. It's a cool looking one, though. It's a nice looking one, that brown and everything. It's got a nice look to it. Yeah, that tobacco burst, I think they call that.

And, you know, they talked about, you know, Paul being on that side of the stage. If you look at the Beatles at that time, their stage set up, there's almost this imaginary arc you could see from Paul's headstock of Paul's bass, which is far stage right, and then the far stage left is the end of John's guitar, his Rickenbacker. And so it kind of had this symmetry to their stage. Every other band, full of right-handed players, everything's pointed towards stage left, right? So there's kind of this, I don't know how else to put it, but I mean, in theatrical terms, there was this... It was this visually aesthetically pleasing exactly um all right cool and then the what else we haven't did you want to demonstrate any different playing styles we don't have a lot of time

there's another one coming yeah i know sorry we're up against it so i need money first too oh i know what it was. Some influential guitar makers in history, and then we'll do some dinner parties. We already did those. We did Rickenbacker. Yeah. Hoffner. Fender.

Gibson. Martin, I guess we did. Oh, see, you didn't name Gibson at the time. No, but you've said it several times. I know. But you were on it there. Yeah, I see. Antonio Torres from Spain, 19th century.

Christian Frederick Martin, for sure. Oh, so wait a minute. What country did it come from? Because I said London or France. The answer is officially Spain, 1600s. Right. Although. The Spaniards.

Although you were holistically correct in that it's sturdy, it's portable. You said lute a lot, which I think was good. And the lute, actually, yeah. So no, you're right there with that. So it comes from those. I mean, they make a case that the first evidence of a guitar-like instrument was ancient Egypt. I mean, there's always some, you're probably a gourd. So the aliens brought it down.

Right. So the course of strings change, things develop. But yeah, you certainly had the minstrels of the medieval period. They're playing lutes and those things. So that thing's around. The guitar as we now know it, though, that development really comes out of Spain, 1600s. But then most significantly 19th century Spain with Antonio Torres.

But then Gibson and yeah, Orville Gibson. Oddly enough, Orville Gibson didn't own the company. He was one of the guys who worked there. It was just some businessmen owned the company. But he was so important to developing those instruments that they named it after him. He was just some businessmen owned the company, but he was so important to developing those instruments that they named it after him. He was on salad. The guy that owned the company was called Shitbag. I think we touched on all of them. You're such a fast, in a good way, Eugene.

Fast talk. You talk fast enough that I was like, we covered a lot of stuff because you're like going through and stuff. Let's do the dinner party facts now, and then if you have time maybe, but I don't think we're going through and stuff. Let's do the dinner party facts now. And then if you have time, maybe. But I don't think we're going to. To play us out. Okay. Let's do the guitar styles, too.

Okay, great. All right. Let's do the dinner party fact first while I sit here. And then we'll do that. So this is the part of the show. Dinner party facts. We asked our guest to give us an interesting or obscure fact or one or two about the subject. Well, here's the one.

First, we went over this one. But the Gibson ES-345 model guitar that Marty McFly plays in Back to the Future. Wasn't released until three years later. Of course, as you know, what was the date of that dance, though? Oh, it was the Enchantment Under the Sea dance. It was 1955. May.

I don't remember. 28th? November 5th. November 5th. I didn didn't know that film you know it now um i know that it's my daughter's birthday and it's also the the date that i first saw my my first concert so uh the most expensive guitar ever sold is current you want to take a guess yeah have them take a guess um would it be at auction it would be some famous person's guitar? Correct. I would say it's probably John Lennon's guitar. There was one that sold at auction, a Beatles guitar, for a lot of money fairly recently, like in the last decade.

What's the number, guess? It was about $5 million or something like that. Okay, so currently it is a Martinin 1959 d18 acoustic and the hammer finally came down it exchanged hands for six million u.s dollars at auction in june of 2020 why was it so expensive it was previously owned by none other than the nirvana frontman kurt cobain and it's the guitar he played at the unplugged appearance so it's the last guitar i know that auction because they were also selling was julian's was doing it they were also selling the cardigan that he wore that's really that's the last performance yeah and i think maybe that was when i bought the elvis cufflinks that was

i got the i got the auction the cuff the elvis cufflinks for like 1400 bucks like not cheap but not like stupidly priced i don't think that guy keeps his guitar near the cat shit though. There's a show off if he did. And in fact, when the Les Paul, the man, the great, great player, but he also did a lot of innovations in recording and guitar design. When he passed, his entire estate was sold off. And I got invited to go through it before the auction went through. And they came on the radio show and brought some of his old guitars and stuff.

And I got to play them. It was a real, real treat. And I got to meet Les, actually, when I was a kid. And he was a really sweet man. But those guitar auctions are just nuts. They're just nuts. Again, all you need is like two people to want it that badly. Yeah.

And the price gets it. Now, last thing. Despite creating some of the most legendary guitars in the world, the founder of Fender, and he also had other companies like Music Man and G&L, Leo couldn't play guitar. He was a radio repairman originally. And so he kind of relied on having players around, guys that were playing clubs and stuff, to come in and tell him what's what. I knew some people that used to come in there and say, yeah, he just, he never even bothered

to learn. So although he had some experience with piano, he played a little bit of saxophone, the legendary inventor allegedly didn't even know how to tune the guitar. He was more interested in electronics and the wood parts of it. So as a result of his inexperience, though, he brought musicians in. It's probably no coincidence why that guitar took off so quickly when it – Where did the word Stratocaster come from? Well, that was actually a marketing thing uh because that guitar they just tried to vary so and also just the stratosphere the space race was like there was this kind of this because the the reason the telecaster was the first one he made

and that was because of television tell that sort of in fact he originally called it the broadcaster but uh uh it still sounds good telecaster stratocaster still sounds more modern yeah they sound they sound just as words. But yeah, the broadcaster, but then another company has some drums, and they say, well, we'll call it something else. So it's always just kind of marketing. There's just really marketing things of the time. There you go.

What were you saying, Aaron? We're going to listen to the guitar styles. Oh, we have time? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, if we have time for a little bit of guitar, that'd be great. Haley, can you grab the guitar hidden. Oh, we have time? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, if we have time for a little bit of guitar, that'd be great. Andy, can you grab

the guitar hidden behind you? Hayley from the Doohickeys is here, and she's just being put to work. Just as a reminder, too, while we're doing this. It's behind the couch.

Yeah. Yeah, just a reminder, Eugene Edwards, our guest, has a podcast. Obviously, he knows a lot, and he's great to listen to. The Know It All Hour, that's on all platforms, I'm assuming.

You know, if they just go to my socials, I'll take them there to the- Socials are- That's the opposite of our podcast. I know. I thought it was ironic. You know, it's funny. It was like two days before Jack hit me up about this. You've got to fix that.

I'll tell you, in the guitar industry- You like that sound right there? That's the equivalent of the modem going... You make nicer plugs. Jack doesn't have one, but they do make nicer plugs. I use them on stage. So the tip of this, there's a little button. So when you engage it or disengage it, it mutes the signal.

Most people use a wireless one now? They still use corded? Most people do use wireless. I'm still on cables on my gig. Because I switch guitars so often we just don't have enough radio packs to follow through. I love watching people who can really play guitar. Imagine if he starts playing now and he's like mentally challenged. Like he just talks a big game.

He's like this is the chord. Talking about it. Now a chord is actually two or more notes oh i said three technically two or more two or more and after that year so in the different styles of course here's with a guitar pick and we hear the strumming or are you hit it with a big with a pick like this so you get you get this strumming kind of thing. Now, if you don't use a pick,

say like Mark Knopfler, you can get a more emotive style. You can put your hands, man. After time, you kind of get used to it. So you... And his solos are very That's where his sound comes from

From not using a pick His style is very much based on the fact That he doesn't use a pick And you're able to get under the string And really snap it like a rubber band That's a real, real common Martin Offler trait there. He has his own sound, doesn't he?

Oh, very, very unique. As soon as you did it, yeah, that's my one. Yeah, you kind of know. And that's a mark. And when we talk about the great players, that's one of the ways we might want to adjudicate that. Right? If I do this. Yeah.

We kind of think of Keith Richards. Yeah. That shape. And of course, back to that. Notice I was playing two notes usually at the time. That's Chuck Berry emulating like two horns playing together. And then back to the Harrison thing, though. Just always had this really melodic.

We can sing George Harrison solos or parts. Can you give us a hard day and night chord? Yeah, there you go. Wait, sorry. Oh, yeah, that's it. It doesn't look like he's doing that much with his fingers. No, well, you kind of use a combination of the open strings and the fretted ones to kind of get. One of my favorite players who use a great combination of open strings and closed would be James Honeyman Scott,

the first guitar player for the Pretenders. And he had these great. Sounds like a 12 string. Right. Really, really clever that way. It's crazy how you can make them all sound so different. Yeah. And this is a Stratocaster guitar, which has three different pickups. So if I use this one that's closer to the bridge, you get a real snappy.

If I go all the way to the front, to the pickup that's near the neck, it's going to be a warmer, smoother sound. There's one in the middle that kind of strikes the middle, if you will. And then there's two that split the difference between each set of pickups and we call these out of phase. Technically they are out of phase. And this is where we really get that knopfler thing um c ray vaughan would use those quite a bit too can we can we yell out impersonations and see how you go sure sure sure um let's see here's well actually i've ran out of all the things i can play at this point, so. Nah. No, no. Anything by Dwight Yoakam.

Well, yeah, that's, then I'd be cheating, right? Let's see. Here's a country guy. I know Jack will notice this one here. Who is that, Jack? Don Rich. And he played guitar for whom? Buck Owens.

Very good. There's no way we would have gotten that. Yeah, I know. I told you it was pretty obscure. No, I knew. I just wanted to see if Jack knew. There's something about Angus Young, though, by the way. He has this one. Great riffs, man.

Great riffs. Of course, written by Malcolm, the brother, mostly wrote the riffs. He's got dementia. Yeah, he does Yeah But Angus So Angus could just claim He owns them now

Yeah Who'd know Angus has this technique From the blues tradition That's actually hard to pull off And he's an ace at it He'll bend a string up A whole step

And then once he reaches His desired pitch Then he adds a vibrato to it And it's very very vocal So Right It's not until he reaches his desired pitch, then he adds a vibrato to it. And it's very, very vocal. So, right? It's not until he reaches, which is very much what the voice does to sustain that. Then what's that?

That was, shook me all night long. Right. I know me ACD. And he hits those notes. It's very, very significant. He's very, very graceful at it. And you wouldn't think of it

because of his onstage movements, but he's actually very exacting as a player. Do you dance much as you play? Yeah. I find it impressive. Well, he moves a lot. You're a mover? I move a lot.

And a shaker? I'm a mover, yeah. Yeah. alright you're a mover and a shanker I'm a mover yeah I'm about a mover as they say so let's see Jimi Hendrix well yeah

so Hendrix had this really one of my favorite things that he would do he borrowed from the R&B tradition with these little fills and things

in between his chords so let's see I'm trying to think of something. Those little, all those little jumps and stuff that he's able to sneak in there. Does it really well in When Cries Mary as well. I love it when he's really that really smooth. What do you do better than anyone else?

Fuck all these other people. Well, I fake things better than most people. Me too. Yeah. No, I don't know that I, it's one of those things where uh people will sign up to take lessons from me this is wildly immodest but and they said we want to learn your style and at the time though i don't i don't have one but then someone pointed out to me all of your bad habits they everyone else thinks that's your style right so i always quit like thinking oh i

i tend to do this too much i do that too much and at some point it was that's your style like always i tend to um and a lot of my phrases, not to get too jargony about it, but when I end up on a major third, I tend to kind of wiggle it a bit. Mostly because when I was younger, my guitars wouldn't stay in tune. And so, honestly, so if I'm...

I always give that wiggle there because I was never comfortable. Just to hide it, yeah. Yeah, hide it, yeah. So there's that, I suppose. What's your style, Jack? Jack, what do you do? I do that kind hide it. Yeah. So there's that, I suppose. What's your style, Jack? Jack, what do you do? I do that kind of BB King kind of bending, and I learned one pedal steel band, and I

use that all the time. Is it this? Yeah, pretty much that. It doesn't work on a Stratocaster. It doesn't work on a Stratocaster. No, no, no. I got it. I heard it.

That's the doohickeys all day. Right. In fact, that's why Leo put this here In the early days Was for country western players To emulate a steel So usually you have it pressed down The bar

The whammy bar Oh yeah Well I've never used it like that Sounds very Hawaiian I want to go to a luau Yeah we'll like to emulate the steel Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. I love that.

That's our thing. Oh, great. I like Hawaiian music. When I'm in Hawaii, I just listen to the Hawaiian music channels. I find it very calm. I love that. And then I thought, why don't I bring Hawaii to me? And I started listening to it in my car around LA,

and I felt like a dickhead. I listen to it now. Last time I was there I went to Luau in Maui and the band was so good like I forgot it was a band I thought it was a CD

and then I turn around I'm like these guys their voices the steel guitar was so soothing with the back and I was like

yeah I'm gonna listen to this so I do now but it comes with the whole thing yeah yeah it's part of the whole package they were amazing just a chance being a bit bitchy

who's the most overrated guitarist in history make it someone dead so you can't get a riff. Oh, no. Who's this? Not a bad. Overrated? There you go.

He was all right. Gosh, that's. Now, if someone asked me that about a comic, I would dodge the question. I'll be a little more specific. And here's the hearsay part of this. A while back, it went viral again when Prince sat in with Tom Petty. Oh, that was at the Hall of Fame. Right.

He played my guitar. Correct. He was awesome in that, right? Fantastic. Yeah. That's not the most impressive Prince guitar playing. It's fantastic. But it's basic blues rock moves.

Right. It's played with tons of fire and energy. He does a lot of the finesse. The guitar faces. Yeah, his guitar face, he made the guitar look like it was part of his body. Absolutely. As did Hendrix, as did Siri Vaughan, it's an extension of you. And there's something very, very compelling about that.

But I can think of many other, in fact, I still haven't figured out how to play the intro to When Doves Cry. And Billy Gibbons even asked Prince about it. about that but i can think of many other in fact i still haven't figured out how to play the intro to when doves cry and billy gibbons even asked prince about it that whole and give billy gibbons i he cornered prince at one point says how do you i still haven't written and princess yeah i don't i can't it's kind of tough on me too like you just got it right that once but it's really really amazing and that the ending of let's go crazy that's also very blues rock stuff but to me that's like the fire of that is all right nice a question who's the most underrated prince um well well hopefully she she's getting the

accolades now but i think i think we don't talk about bonnie ray enough as a guitar player she just won a grammy yeah yeah i just like as a guitar player. She just won a Grammy. Yeah. Finally. As a guitar player. Well, no, she swept them in that Nick of Time. Oh, really? Yeah, she's had a couple of years. Did you see the headline said, Unknown Blues Artist Wins Grammy?

All right, all right. We better wrap this up because we do the thing. Okay. The podcast is The Know It All Hour, and you can find them on Instagram and Twitter at EugeneEdwards25, and then Facebook, Eugene Edwards, and the streaming show is Two Guys With Guitars. That's right. Thank you, Eugene. Thank you so much, guys.

What a joy. If you're ever at a party and someone walks up to you and goes, oh, guitar has seven strings, go, I don't know about that. Nah. I don't know. I was a bit light there. Good on you, Trey.