I Don't Know About That - Gut Health

Episode Date: January 12, 2021

In this episode, the team discusses gut health with King's College's professor of epidemiology and Scientific Co-Founder of ZOE, Dr. Tim Spector.Check our Dr. Tim Spector's new book "Spoon-fed" on Amazon or wherever you buy books.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today I don't know about that with Jim Jefferies Best intro ever That was a tough one to get through It's very hard to explain how they're different because when you explain a circle, you go, it's like a circle. Yeah.

It's like a round. What's a round? It's like a circle. You do love using the word in the definition of the word all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Square has four equal sides. I don't know about that part. Are they all equal because there's always one side

that I like more than the other? They might not have to be equal because I think a rectangle about that, folks. Are they all equal? Because there's always one side that I like more than the other. They might not have to be equal because I think a rectangle is also a square. No, it's not a rectangle. It's a rectangle. A square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square. Speaking of squares, Jack's with us. Hey, everybody. Jack's in a bottle.

So rude. Did we all have a good Christmas? What did we all get up to? Christmas? New Year's? Did you trip the light fantastic? What did you do? This is like two weeks after New Year's.

It's all right. Okay. We'll be re-recording, mate. It was good. This one we're recording the week that actually comes out. At the moment, the Capitol's being stormed by people. They're all in there taking podiums they're in nancy pelosi's office just sitting in chairs like a letter i got a letter

off her desk i got a letter over there and he said we will not back down i i had the privilege of bringing my father up that day oh god i'll give you the footnotes of what my father said oh trump didn't do anything to encourage this. These people just went and did it because they tried to kick Trump out. They tried to kick him out. They rubbished him the whole time. And now the people are upset and the Democrats don't know why the people are upset. And they go, Dad, he lost the election.

He goes, oh, there's a lot of evidence that says he didn't. And I said, what evidence? Oh, you'd have to read into it like you have, Dad. My father lives in Australia and can't turn a computer on. Let me put this. My dad's not smart enough to be a QAnon member. Right. Because he can't get the – if he could, if he could get QAnon stuff,

he'd be on board right away. He'd be fucking Q. He'd be fucking Kew. He'd be right on board. My dad listens to a little bit of right-wing radio in Australia, and he goes, none of them brought guns or anything like that. And I said, they found a pipe bomb, Dad. Oh, that news didn't reach Australia. Didn't reach Australia.

And he goes, a pipe bomb? He goes, ah, that wouldn't have blown the whole building up. It would only have made a little bit of damage. So my father's basically a terrorist. But he is a foreign terrorist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The worst kind. So he thinks that Trumpy was mistreated a little bit on that one.

So that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. Thank God I didn't have to spend Christmas hearing that one. Why do they always mistreat him? It's like. They didn't treat him well, Forrest. They bloody rubbished him the whole time. Did you see all the videos of people who were like,

I was trying to get in there and then they maced me and they beat me with batons. And it's like they're telling this sob story. It's like, yes, you tried to fucking break into the Capitol, but there are consequences for that. If you break into any building and the police are there and you continue to break, I don't care if it's a fucking toilet that's been locked. You continue to still try to break the door down.

Eventually you will get restrained or maced. It's not this whole idea that but i pay taxes by the way i've looked at the people who broke in and stood there they're not paying a lot of taxes stop with your fucking taxes i pay a lot more taxes than you i should be able to break a toilet in there or something i I should be able to go into Pelosi's office and just nick a keyboard. That is the best part too is like they broke in, they had access to all this information that they claim that they want, this evidence of all these things,

and all they did was fucking take selfies and steal a podium. Like what are you fucking doing? You're just too stupid to do any real damage. Yeah, so that's where we're at with that. How are you being Jack? Jack's not in the room with us how are you being jack jack's back jack's not in the room with us right now because he's in atlanta uh why are you in atlanta my mom turned 60 today that we're recording so like last week

and uh i'll tell you that's how your mom had you at 45 uh the flight was a bit scary because the lady directly behind me was coughing the entire time and the flight attendant had to go hey ma'am please put your mask over your nose she didn't have her mask on and she was coughing oh man i don't know jack was on a smoking flight he's on that same plane indiana jones flies on the pilots bailed out i have to learn how to land it. I remember the smoking flights. I traveled on some smoking flights back in the day.

It used to be like rows 1 to 30, no smoking. 31 to 60, smoking. So if you were in row, there was no barrier. No. If you were in row 30 pregnant, you were butt fuck out of luck. You were in that too. They had the ashtrays in the armrest oh yeah yeah and i'll tell you what i i i don't want to big up smoking but never once did

a plane catch on fire in the sky from someone having a cigarette it was just like what's that flaming thing and there's someone smoking all right jack what do you got for us today common world no song because i can't play it from over here i wanted to i wanted to life hack it can people see you at the moment because people can probably see you yeah in the background in the background jack's got a chair that his mother gave him for christmas that's a director chair that said jack hackett uh i also there's nice what's the pink thing underneath that what are you directing rupaul's drag race what are you what are you doing uh that was from when i was working on set in atlanta my nickname was salmon pants because i had a pair of salmon shorts so

i also i also like that above it you have your hope board it's my these are my successes yeah if you can't see it's an empty it's an empty chalkboard corkboard that's got a whole lot of attacks in it ready to put up dreams they're ready to go all the pins are down there something could happen there's nothing up there this looks like you're being held by isis or something like why is there nothing on there like i don't i used to have stuff up there. I think my mom just cleared house. She's like, this dream didn't work out, this dream didn't work out.

Here's a weird 3D printed model of me as 8th grade. Oh my god. That looks racist. You look more Asian in the bubble head. Yeah. Yeah.

That looks like my neighbor's kid, to be honest. Congratulations on the Oscar last year. Are those trophies on the way back? It's two bottles of coke, a bowling pin.

It's my high school film festival trophies. Oh yeah, they're over here. High school film festival trophies, a bowling pin. It's my high school film festival trophies. Oh, yeah, they're over here. High school film festival trophies, a bowling pin from a party. And a biplane. A water bottle. Oh, boy. And a little plane. Woo!

He flies it over. It's an airplane made out of Coke cans. Oh, wow. There you go. You guys really have a brand over there, don't you? Yeah. Did you make that? No, my aunt bought it, but I'm sure I could.

You're not bored at your father works at Coca-Cola. I thought he'd just bring it home from work one day. Not only do you get free Coca-Cola things, but you still shop for them? It's basically the biggest MLM in the world. They're like, you have to buy your own products and you have to reach a quota every month. I'll have to take a picture of our huge Coke memorabilia thing in the basement. It's just like 15 feet of just Coke things. Yeah, be sure to send that to us immediately.

I weirdly have about 15 Coca-Cola Christmas decorations. I have Coca-Cola. I don't know how. Not from him? He gave me one. Yeah, I have Coca-Cola products, but Jack gave them to me. He gave me the bottle with my name on it. It's like in my office. Those were cool though. Yeah, we have the Jim Jeff products, but Jack gave them to me. He gave the bottle with my name on it. It's like in my office.

Those were cool, though. Yeah, we have the Jim Jefferies show Coca-Cola bottles over there. Can't drink them. What if the show comes back? Don't work too much. You get so much money for those. Any week now we should hear back. Yeah, Company Central rings me up and goes, all's forgiven.

You're like, I didn't know you were mad at me. They are rebooting everything, so it could happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think so. What do you got, Jack? Well, we got some compliments to start us off. All right, like them. People love the Richard Dawkins episode,

and people really enjoyed seeing him having a good time and laughing because I guess he's fairly serious in his lectures. No, he laughed so much. He called me up the next day and just said, hey, between me and you, I believe in God. He said, but I've gone too far now. I can't take it back. Oh, now you said it.

He said off the record first. People love the dream episode so much that in the comments, people are like, I just bought the book. Yeah, a lot of people bought the book. There is no book. We all agree. There wasn't even an episode. It's funny how collectively we all did that. It's, yeah, one of those mandela effects

um someone said i always feel more dumb after listening to these podcasts so it's working the idea of the podcast is to feel more smarter yeah how would you feel dumber well because because maybe there's an episode where i knew more than them and they're like oh god I gotta check myself someone sent in an email that said thank you for a funny show every week you guys are great every time I hear Forrest's voice I think of Ned from South Park which is the guy with the smoking guy

yeah that's nice Forrest got kicked in the throat when he was a teenager. That's why he sounds like that. It's really offensive. Yeah, it is. And I had throat polyps. And the thing was, he wasn't kicked in the throat by someone else. He just used to be a girl.

Oh, fuck that joke. I was about to say Forrest used to be a rocket. I kicked myself in the throat. I thought it was going to be some sort of sexual. I thought you were going to nickname him Junker Road or something. I just think it's funny to see you as a rocket. Like all the girls are jumping and kicking their legs up. Who's that bloke in the middle?

He's like. He's so flexible. Stubby legs. Someone says, Forrest's arm tan continues to be consistently impressive. Keep killing outdoors, you bearded champion. And then the rock on symbol. Do you have your truckers on, do you?

Do you have a truckers on? I do yard work and some hikes. Yeah, I get outside. You get the vitamin D out of here. Yard work. The court said it was community service. Got to wear a red orange. I pick up trash by the side of the highway.

No court needs to tell me to keep my town clean, you know. Look, a lot of people appreciate. They honk. They like what I'm doing they like the work uh we got a lot of listeners from heartlepool got a lot of monkey hanger listeners we got some monkey hangers if you haven't listened to the other episode shame on you we're gonna refer to them as monkey hangers and you think what you will yeah um and someone told us that heartlepools united their their soccer team their mascot is a monkey named hangus h apostrophe

angus wow and it's of like a big monkey in a soccer jersey so they're really living up to yeah they're really they're really leaning into it what else i got there um not you oh yeah you too okay well i believe it was the um dreams episode where jim credited the polio vaccine to varuka salt it was a joke yeah okay yeah i know that's the character from charlie and the chocolate factory yeah a lot of people are like um actually var Veruca Salt was in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I had some personal messages sent to me. It wasn't Darwin on the boat.

It was fucking Banks was the botanist. That's why we had the Banks here and all that type of stuff. And I got that mixed up. Sorry, I don't know my Australian history perfect on the spot. Sorry. Also, why are people like, okay, if people want to call in, I mean, write in with a correction or something,

don't say it like, talk down to us. The whole point of the podcast is to learn shit. Actually, we don't say we know anything. I really don't know a thing about the expert or know who the expert is before I come in, so I will get things wrong. That's why the podcast is called I Don't Know About That. You suck, Jim.

You know that thing that you said you don't know about? You don't know about it. suck jim yeah you know that thing that you said you don't know about it you don't know about it fucking shit um so we had we premiered that new segment life hackets and the reviews are in the reviews are in i don't see a new trophy they mustn't be good no uh some people said hey i'm glad jack's on camera he makes a good punching bag for the rest so that's good other people you know one person says you know i've i've stayed silent on this topic long enough why is jack there he sucks fuck that guy oh fuck that guy you're there because we're the only one that is allowed to say that you suck. But just like it's been eating him up inside for so long. I stick up for you when people say mean things.

Takes up me whole day. The answer is none of us know why he's here, but that doesn't mean he's going anywhere. He is here. Why are any of us here? It's because one day I want to be in a movie and someone might be a director. He's got the chair already.

Salmon pants over there. Come on, salmon pants. Keep going. They're originally white pants, don't ask. Infected cum. Someone says I look like a straight Mayor Pete. I don't know about that.

We don't get political on this show. I tell you what, Kate, who's my son's mother, who I hang out with on the regular, we all know Kate. Kate saw Jack over Christmas and said, what, Jack? I'm a good singer? No, no. Doesn't Jack look like a rock star? And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about, Kate?

Because he looks like a rock star. He should be in a band. He looks like a rock star. You could give Hank a half brother. Yeah. I think Hank bullies me too much for that's true yeah you can't you can't knock off with kate your god if i had to just like hang out with you as an equal mr jeffries is the floor clean enough for you

all right so is that all that comments uh a few specific things on lifehack it itself the the version of my the way i take off my t-shirt someone says that's how john seen has been taking off his shirt for years so yeah so he does it better jack you're in good company yeah but he's not wearing a watch right right yeah there's gonna be an article who did it best yeah he's also famous yeah that helps and buff uh kelly uh a whitewater raft guide confirmed the tampon theory of keeping tampons in a medical kit the stuff up there yeah yeah it's a it wasn't a nurse or a doctor it was a guy who runs a whitewater rafting i once went on a whitewater rafting trip in in cans australia many many many

years ago so it was several girlfriends ago uh because i was with a girlfriend uh i'm gonna say 20 years ago and so it was it was like proper rapids i fell out of the boat thought i was gonna bloody die you know what i mean it was full anyway so the guy was proper australian like that and it started off we were We're all going to have fun We're all going to go down here Come on, paddle faster What are you doing? All this dumb stuff

And it was a three-hour whitewater rafting trip And as the day went on It started going Yeah, she left me for another fella Yeah, who knows about that? And then at the end of it was like this So what are you all doing now that we're done? We should go out for beers All I've got to go home to is an empty house

ah no one's there god he got sadder and sadder and you couldn't get off the boat he had a captive audience i did one where the guy okay he was giving worse sunburn i had that i did i did a white riding white water rafting trip on the... What was it? It was the river between Georgia and South Carolina where they filmed Deliverance. The Ganges.

Yeah. And the guy was giving us the speech before you get on the raft, you know, like, this is how you paddle, this is what you do. But he had a very bad stutter. So me and my friends were all looking at each other. And I'm not making fun of people stuttering. It's just that when you're on a raft there's split second things that you have to do we were all like i don't know if this is gonna be gonna be if he just starts stuttering

when he tells you to paddle or whatever we got in the river he was fine so it turns out that's what you're stuttering i once had a had a bloke with a stutter who i had a business problem with where i needed to be pay out for something and he was holding back a bit of my money right and it's like it's like give me my fucking money man give me my fucking money like that it's like oh man you can't yell at him like he was in the room you can't yell at him you stress him out he can't talk yeah yeah it's like fucking hell that's joe biden uh the last bit of comments um people miss you saying good night australia at the end of the podcast all right i'll do it this episode that's it for coming

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slash idcat. We've got a few episodes up there already. One with Sam Morrell, which was super funny. And we'll have more later. Alright, great. Alright, now it's time to introduce our guest. Please welcome to the show, Tim Spector. Oh, Tim Spector. I love the work you did on the Let It Be album.

The wigs. Was that Tim Spector? Ah, it's Phil. Screw me again. All right, so he knows everything about Phil Spector because he's his cousin, Tim. Well, hold on. Yeah, this is...

He's on the Spector. Yeah, we're putting this in post, this is... He's on the specter. Yeah. We're putting this in post, so we need to have a little moment here. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no.

Judging a book by its cover. All right. Jim is going to try and guess what you're here to talk about, Tim, just by looking around there. He's not going to be able to help. That's not going to help him. He's going to ask some yes or no questions i'll give him some clues and then we'll reveal well you're very you're very clear you're very clearly and just to be clear

tim i'll give you this um inspector is is a doctor of a sort and he has a lot of expert he has expertise in many fields but he's here to talk about something specifically. Okay. I never get specifically or specifically. I said it wrong. I still don't know which one is right. Wait, which one? Once I was on at midnight and I had to say it,

they had to edit it out because I couldn't say it. Specifically? Specifically. No, it's not pacifically. I know, I can't say it. It starts with an S. Specifically. That's an ocean. Great job.

Specifically is to the west or in the ocean. All right, let's not pacifically. I know, I can't say it. It starts with an S. Specifically. That's an ocean. Perfect. Great job. Specifically is to the west, here in the ocean. All right, let's ask him some questions. So Tim's obviously in a hotel. I can tell by the decor and all that type of stuff. You also asked him before we recorded this. Yeah, but I could tell then.

Okay. So he is a doctor in, expert in quarantining. Jim usually makes a guess that's wrong and then he starts asking questions. Okay, so he's not, but one day I'll just bang, get it in like this. He might be an expert in quarantine. That's not what he's here to talk about.

Okay. Tim, is your expertise involved the human body? Yes. Wow. You're on fire, Jim. Does it involve, when you say the human body, does it involve the brain? Not specifically, no. fire, Jim. Does it involve, when you say the human body, does it involve the brain? Not specifically, no.

Oh, okay. So not specifically. Oh, he's held up a glass of wine. Yeah. Oh, he's the liver. Are you an expert in alcoholism? Just as an amateur. Oh,'re getting he's a hobbyist you're getting closer though yeah i'm not an expert i'm in alcoholism i'm like a player yeah you're a professional i'm in the league yeah but i couldn't write a book on it

uh you could write a book on it just wouldn't be informative yeah yeah and at the end pictures yeah the final chapter would be called who the fuck do you think you are uh you're in the near the right region of the body you're getting closer the liver oh the colon well ask some questions are you a proctologist don't ask him like that like okay are you a proctologist tim i'm not a proctologist now but you're you're getting close oh okay this is something that I think you'll be interested in because I don't think you practice good health of this part of your body. Yeah, you're a proctologist.

Okay, think about something you do really fast. Oh, okay, so it's not shitting. You're faster than almost anyone i know i've read war and peace um you're faster oh i'm a fast eater yeah yeah so you're an expert in eating in the digestive system i would say yeah yeah that's pretty close yeah we're gonna talk about gut health today let me let me introduce him properly uh dr Tim Spector is in the top 1% of scientists cited globally. He's an expert in gut health and a professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College, London, director of the Twins UK study and one of the world's leading researchers.

He is the scientific co-founder of Zoe, a senior researcher of the PREDICT study, and the creator of the COVID Symptom Study app. He's also a multi-award winning expert in personalized medicine, food policy, and the gut microbiome and the author of four books, including the best-selling The Diet Myth. His newest book is Spoonfed. While almost everything we've been told about

food is wrong. Oh, right. So can you tell us just a little bit more because like I said, I know that you know a lot about a lot of things. We're talking specifically about gut health, but can you just talk about that a little bit more uh because i like i said yeah i know that you you know a lot about a lot of things we're talking specifically about gut health but can you just talk about that a little bit and your relationship with that and like how you got here to with that uh dr specter tim i don't know what you want to be called but geez you're right tim's fine yeah so um i've been playing twins for 25 years in London and have this huge twin registry, about 15,000 twins,

looking at what's nature and what's nurture, how similar they are, et cetera. And about 10 years ago, I had a health crisis myself. I was up a mountain and got double vision and basically had a mini stroke and started to think more about my health and thinking i was a healthy kind of middle-aged guy and suddenly started popping pills and i wanted to investigate more about the diet you know my own advice i would give myself as a doctor and realized that basically everything online was bullshit.

There was nothing really that was sensible that I thought was evidence-based. And then I got into the gut microbes and gut health, and that's really taken me on this journey for the last 10 years to really try and understand what is the best diet by understanding how we can feed our guts and our gut microbes. And that's really where we are today and ended up working with this company, Zoe, that is, you know, promoting personalized health through trying to work out what everyone individually should eat rather than just it all being, you know, one size fits all kind of nonsense,

really generated by the food companies. So most information we get about food is really pushed at us through the food companies, just to make us more crappy food and get us fatter and keep eating the same stuff. So it's really been a journey that way. That's where I am. And I'm lucky enough to be in a position where I can actually do the research and talk about it at the same time. So I'm on a sort of mission to try and convert people to understanding more about diet, realize that it's not just simple about you know carbs and fats and

protein and keto and this kind of stuff it's really complicated and it's not what the food companies want us to believe well we're going to get a lot of comments under this are these people who have their diets that they're very exact about i like that you work for a company called zoe because zoe does sound like the woman in the office who tells you off while you're eating the wrong food. How do you think your gut health is? My gut health would not be good. It would not be good. There's a lot of sausage roll based gut bacteria. I haven't had a cult since 1999.

It is funny though. People their diet like as their personality now it's like i'm vegan i'm keto i'm all these things and it's like we don't care i gotta tell you tim i religion it's replaced religion diet is the new religion 100 people self-identify by you know what vegetables they eat or what they don't eat. And we all seem to have, as we've given up God, we've gone for some kind of wacky diet to self-identify. And I think this is definitely real. I live with a vegan, this woman I live with. Your wife?

My wife. And holy fuck, if I don't hear about veganism on the regular. Like I'm not talking about daily, multiple times a day. The most expensive thing in my life is keeping my wife's vegan diet going because she's always like, oh, we need to buy this. It's much more expensive being vegan than it is being a meat eater, I'll tell you that much. And then she buys vegan.

Look, I don't have a problem with her being a vegan. It's just stop buying cookies from different companies, if you're listening, Taze, my love. Stop buying cookies from different companies and making me eat them and going, it's just as good. They're not as good. I don't want them. You haven't found a company that's really worked out.

Stop it. I did like those gingerbread cookies she made them for scratch gingerbread gingerbread can be vegan okay um so here's what we're gonna do uh uh tim we're gonna ask jim everything he thinks he knows about gut health i'm gonna prod him along with some questions um and i'm gonna write down the answers and we'll go back and revisit them with you but after he says everything he thinks you know, you're going to grade him 0 through 10, 10 being the best on his accuracy.

Kelly is going to grade him 0 through 10 on confidence. I'm going to grade him on et cetera. If your tallied score is 0 through 10, you're a leaky gut, Jim. 11 through 20, acid reflux. 21 through 30, probiotic. I thought you were going to say leps. No, that's the one. one okay what is the gut the gut is is your stomach it's the the lining of your stomach and uh it holds bacteria that uh keeps

you good or bad or whatever and it holds acid and shit that eats up the food then turns it into puts it into the colon which which turns it into poo. So what does gut health refer to? Gut health is like where your bacterias are in your stomach and whether they're good or bad. It's like when you're trying to get the level right in a swimming pool where it's good for swimming or bad for swimming. It's going to hurt your eyes or it's going to just get algae

on top of the thing. Yeah yeah uh and why is it important because when you're when you're swimming you want your eyes not to hurt okay um how's it important because it's it's it's basic i think it has a lot to do with your happiness and it has a lot to do with your just your health overall like like if you have bad gut bacteria and you aren't processing things properly you can probably get types of cancer or other other illnesses that aren't good for you all illnesses aren't good for you yeah i'm gonna put that out there you're anti-illness yeah so you're saying don't get ill don't get sick don't get sick what is there's a shingles commercial where an old bloke goes you never want to get shingles.

Like that, right? And I feel like going, or any illness. So we're here to go, oh, shingles are bad. Don't get them. What is leaky gut? Don't just say it's a gut that leaks. No, no, no, no, no. It's when your stomach leaks, you see.

Yeah. And so it's when things aren't going, they're leaking down into your colon and that gives you the runs. Okay. I don't know. Maybe that's right. Well, that leads us to our next question. What are the signs of an unhealthy digestive system?

Bad shits. Bad shits are unhealthy digestive system. Coughing up bile is a bad one. Intergestion heartburn is another one yeah and um do the pepto theme song right now yeah and uh nausea heartburn indigestion upset stomach diarrhea they're all the ones yeah the pepto business how many of these do you have on on the regular or right now ever in your life i've had all of them at one stage or another. But at the moment, I'm doing all right. But my poos are 30% good, 66.6%. What is probiotic?

Probiotics, the bacterias that you put into it. My wife's obsessed with probiotics. You buy them from the store. They're very expensive. You have to keep them in the fridge. And then she says, if I go to the shop and I buy ones that aren't meant to be kept in the fridge, that they're no good, you bought stupid ones,

why did you buy those? I'm an asshole, so I've got to go back and buy them. The refrigerated ones are the best ones. You eat them, it levels up your bacteria in your stomach it also allegedly helps you lose weight and everything because everything's moving it's like tuning up your car a bit by having a probiotic what about a prebiotic a prebiotic is something that you take uh before uh the pro so it's like when you um so you put before the prostitute comes in, you take the precautions, right?

There's the precautions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the condom of biotics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's the postbiotic. No, a prebiotic is something that you should take on the regular just before you eat. If you're going to have a big, heavy meal,

take a prebiotic. Okay. How do you know if you have a food allergy or intolerance um by the way jim did a whole special on this i don't know if you know this but jim did a whole special on called intolerance oh yeah how do you know if you have um well if if you're one of the girls that i dated in hollywood back when i was dating uh you'll all have celiac disease all of you even though one percent of the population is meant to have it. Turns out every hot thin chick has fucking celiac disease in LA.

Every single one. Or it could be you don't want to eat bread. Just say you don't want to fucking eat bread. Don't make it a medical deal. Like, I'm a fun girl. I'd eat a hamburger with you, but I have celiac disease, so I need these wrapped in lettuce. No, you just want to be thin, and that's adm but shut the fuck up you're not special um celia okay so what was the question

all right we're gonna move on uh so the i'm gonna keep i'm gonna ask you a couple more you go for a test you go for a test they go for a test they go they test you on different things and they take your blood probably and then they go you're because my ex is allergic to strawberries they make a puff up and and then there's certain uh alcohols that she can't drink or wines or something like that and i i'm lactose intolerant but i i know i've probably got irritable bowel syndrome or something else because even when i don't eat lactose these days i still seem to have the effects and uh so so but there's probably tests that i have not done okay there's there's questions in here i'm gonna you do 23 and me there's some questions in here i'm gonna skip

but we will ask them back there because i don't want to um how long should you chew ah see this is a thing i chew i'm telling you i don't think you chew i eat like a duck right i i like like homer simpson do that thing did that thing where like that, right? You're meant to chew 20 times for a mouthful of food and I log in like six. I don't even think you do sex. I think you just unhinge your job. I go chew, chew, chew and then big bits.

Even if I'm taking a tablet, I don't use water or anything. I have a stomach that just goes I've seen you eat like a giant sub sandwich in like four bites. Yeah, the last time we were at your house seen you eat like a giant sub sandwich and like four bites yeah the last time we were at your house you're like i ordered subs and you were like done with one i was like they just got here i have i we could show we could we could buy one right now and i could show you but it's another i do have baklava right yeah but it's uh yeah yeah i i maybe four or five times i chew but you meant to chew a lot more because that's part of your digestion

is digesting it in the mouth and breaking it out. I will tell you this, in my poos, I have an ungodly amount of solid food. I do like, I'm not just like- Tim looks uncomfortable doing this all day. One of these people who likes sweet corn, I have like leaves of lettuce. Okay.

You think that would digest? Like, it's like, oh, I ate a salad again. That's why I had a bad shit. How about this? What is a microbe? I got about four or five more questions. A microbe is a small outfit for a flea when they come out of a shower. That's my favorite answer.

You're right on that. A small outfit for a flea. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. How many microbes are in the human gut? Oh, billions. Okay.

That's probably right. Yeah, billions. And then how many microbes do you lose when you go to the toilet? Oh, millions. There's billions, then you lose millions, and then you remake the millions, but there's still billions. Okay. How long is the human gut?

Are we going to include the intestine and all that type of stuff? Well, you tell me. Yeah, okay. Because it's long, I thought the gut was just the stomach. So now we're going to have to say, because the whole gut would be the intestine and the colon and all that type of stuff. I'm going to say it's... Go for meters if you want if you're comfortable six meters six meters okay

which is roughly 18 feet probably a little bit longer but yeah okay um you said the gut is located in the stomach it's in the it's in the tummy area it's in it's not in your legs i'll tell you that much for it it's it's in your it's in your's not in your legs. I'll tell you that much, Forrest. It's in your bottom bit of your torso. What is a poo transplant, and would you have a poo transplant if you were ill? I've watched a lot of porn. What is a poo transplant?

A poo transplant is, oh, geez, that's when you get poo from others. It's a transplant. Yeah. It's a move from Ohio to Florida. Oh, it's... It's the finest poo in Cleveland. I'm going to go when they put a colostomy bag on you.

That's a poo transplant. Okay. That's not a bad answer. They put a colostomy bag? Okay. And then would you have one if you were ill? If I had a problem in that area, not if I i had a cold i think that's an overreach i don't even think if i've covered getting the colostomy bag i foresee one in my future 100 okay but let me just ask you

last question here how similar are your gut microbes to your brothers or two more questions uh they're all called scott and danny what do you mean how similar are your gut microbes to your brothers? Two more questions. They're all called Scott and Danny? What do you mean? How similar are your gut microbes to your brothers? Oh, right, right, right. I get it. I get it. They all drive Subarus. They would be very similar to that of a sibling. It would be-

Exact or- Not exact, but minor, minor, minor minor minor more humble it's a nice abstract answer okay um and uh can poor gut health make you fat no wonder correct yes yes it can because it makes your metabolism um slow down and uh when your metabolism slows down then you get the fat alright Tim thank you I have the metabolism of a dinosaur not a raptor either out of the slow moving

on a scale of from 0 to 10 10 being the best how would you do on accuracy of gut health I think Jim and his wife have done very well, actually. Being married to a vegan has obviously helped him. Yes.

Give him a 7 out of 10. Yeah. 7 out of 10. Although he doesn't quite know where the gut is, he's done very well. It's in the torso, Tim. Tummy. It's in my core section. How did he do on confidence, Kelly?

I feel like he was very confident. I'm giving him an eight. Eight. All right. I give you one. All right. And et cetera. Acid reflux.

I don't feel like you're a probiotic yet. Yeah. You cannot judge me on acid reflux. I have acid reflux, but you pop fucking those like tic tacs the fucking what are they called no I don't I don't eat those anymore

I just take you like the chalky ones I'm not good I've read I've been looking forward to this episode just so I can think about what I need to do

to get healthy and then not do it I used to get acid reflux right before if I ate when I was nervous right before I went on stage and then like

Forrest would be like I gotcha and he was pulling things out of his jacket. Like he was fucking the MacGyver of fucking acid reflux. It's one pack. I didn't have five. All right, Tim. I asked Jim, what is the gut and what does gut health refer to?

He said stomach lining, bacteria, good, bad. Can you just talk a little bit about that? Like, we'll start there, please. Yeah. You shouldn't be obsessed with the stomach. The stomach is actually quite boring and not much happening there. It all happens. The interesting stuff really happens lower down. The stomach is just really to protect you and allow you to vomit, you know, bad stuff up.

And the acid is there to kill any nasty germs you've ingested but the gut really should reflect the other as you rightly said the other six meters you know 20 foot of of intestines that are there and most of the action most of the microbes are much lower down there in this sort of one to two meter area of the low of the lower colon. And that's where the action is. That's where all these guys are busy making chemicals to help your body. And that's the really important bit.

So when we think of the gut, we always tend to think of this actually as much lower down where the interesting stuff's happening. And when you say microbes, you're not referring to a robe for fleas, correct? Can you explain what a microbe is? A microbe is a microorganism. So it's just something between a little bug that you need a microscope to see. I've given a girl a few of those. So, yeah, basically you just need a good magnifying glass and that's a little these little guys

moving around that can reproduce they have sex every 30 minutes and have other babies you know they're really fast living guys and they're basically chemical factories that produce uh thousands of chemicals that the body itself can't produce. When you say they have babies, are they living individual things? Like do they have feelings? Is that a microorganism? Do they have feelings? Oh, yes, all the time. Yes.

You know. They stop shitting on them all the time. They reproduce. They eat. They shit. They have sex. They do all the stuff we do just at a much faster pace uh you know they they live their life in in 24 hours and they can hibernate

as well into spores and stay there for years and then come out again and start all up again so um we talk about this bacteria but there's also fungi in there. And all of us actually have parasites in our guts that are much bigger. And normally you think of parasites as stuff you really don't want in your gut, right? These tapeworms and things people pull out of them. But we're finding now that the latest technology that these parasites are really, something can be good and actually make you thinner and and make you healthier so we're just uniting this whole world beside us that has got all these different species of of different bugs most 99 of them are good guys and they're trying to help us they're trying

to live with us and and convert the food we give them into good chemicals to keep everything, you know, going in our bodies, our immune systems, keep us in a happy mood, stop us getting fat, prevent COVID and nasty bugs taking over all kinds of stuff, you know, our metabolism. What's a good parasite? The whole new world in there inside us is a bit like discovering, you know, doing Star Trek on the outside but going inside and really digging deep into your gut and working out all these amazing chemicals that are being produced.

And these guys, you know, can actually make you happy because they produce some of the happy chemicals, the neurochemicals like dopamine serotonin that uh this the same things that antidepressants your bugs can make them if you feed them right so i'm going to blow it i'm going to blow everyone's mind right i'm going to blow everyone okay so this whole world is living in our gut in our colons and whatever like that stuff all these microorganisms and the parasites the baddies and the goodies and the lines are blurred what if right we're all just living in the colon of a larger animal and that's what we are i do think about stupid shit like that all

the time i'm not even gonna make fun of you that. And that's why the space is dark, because we're in a poo trail. I would say that you didn't blow my mind. We're in the microbe matrix, basically. That's right. Everything has a different time scale. So these guys live and die in 30 minutes and have sex and have babies and pass it on. Yeah, who knows?

We could be in someone else's mind. And they could have microbes inside them and there's another world. We're like a Russian doll of microbes. The storming of the Capitol building was somebody's response to having cheese or something. It's like any time there's conflict like that, it's just. Oh, no, no, no. Whatever body we're living in does not have a good diet.

That's for sure. Yeah. I asked Jim, you touched on it. Gut health is important because you'll be healthier, happier. And then I asked him, what is a leaky gut? And I don't remember what he said, but I don't think it was right. So when your stomach leaks, they're leaking down to your colon and you get the runs.

Yeah, that's how you get it. He meant stained underpants, but I don't think that's really what leaking is. It's a general term for when your gut lining is not working properly. So it's not separating the microbes from the blood supply. And so you start, in theory, getting a mixture between the two, which irritates the whole system. But it's been oversimplified. And probably this whole concept is a bit like the bullshit you get about toxins in foods and things like this. And our body has to get rid of toxins. So I think we've oversimplified the leaky gut a bit

because there's some passage between the microbes and the blood. And what we do know is that when you're sick, you get the gut wall, which is very long, as we've just discovered, it's meters long. It starts to weaken and you get bits which can cause allergies. And we think this is possibly why there's much more food allergy around than there was 30 years ago because our diets are poor and our gut microbes are in a much worse state than they were.

So one reason is that every night your gut microbes can actually clear up your gut lining and like they like hoover up all the debris and keep it nice and clean. And they have little bugs that go and eat your gut lining. So they like flesh eating little nibblers and they come and clean up your gut every night, but only if you give them about 10 hours rest. Yeah, I was going to ask. If you're eating all the time like the average American, they don't have a chance to clean up,

and therefore that's why this snack culture is leading to this damaged gut health and slight leaky gut. We're not giving our guys a chance to heal. So I don't diet as such, but I do fast two days a week. I know you wouldn't look at me, but I also take weed four days a week. So that's where the problem happens. So fasting is good because I fast to cover that and I do feel better the next day.

So I give myself 24 hours without food twice a week. Well, that may be the reason you're still alive. Right. Because, you know, you eat all the shitty food but then you have a day and a different – it's like an american footballer analogy of another the defense team comes out when you're fasting and they're totally equipped to just to tidy up and clean up all that all the mess that you've left from

junk food and they will tidy it up and make you better so this is the new theory that why intermittent and and fasting works if you fast for too long it's not good but a short while whether it's just skipping a meal and only having two meals a day or it's overnight for 14 hours or as you do you know maybe for 24 hours allows the body to heal off and the microbes are generally much healthier so and you know unw, you've been helping your microbes in some way. And you shouldn't eat right before you go to bed. I've always heard that, but that's the reason you shouldn't eat closer to when you're going to sleep because this will disrupt that process, right?

Yeah, that's right. They generally need 12 hours, and probably 14 hours overnight would be the ideal. That's why occasionally skipping breakfast is a good idea because we were never designed to eat three to six meals a day. In Africa, our ancestors really, they didn't eat breakfast. They just had two meals a day and lots of space in between. So that's really where we are where I've never liked breakfast. I've never enjoyed getting up right away and eating.

I can eat maybe after an hour and a half, but right away I always find it a very heavy thing to do. And I was always taught throughout being a child, especially when I was school, my mother shoved the breakfast down my throat because breakfast is the most important meal of the day. And that's bullshit, right? It's bullshit.

We don't need breakfast. That's bullshit, yes. But there's huge amounts of our parents' indoctrination. My mother's Australian, told me exactly the same thing, and she was brought up on steak and eggs for breakfast. Well, I tell you, it's the fucking egg me exactly the same thing, and she was brought up on steak and eggs for breakfast, you know. Well, I tell you, it's the fucking egg people, the egg people. How they got a dominance on breakfast.

How big egg and bacon got together and they just went, and everyone will have this for every meal. Like, I enjoy eggs and bacon, right? I love an egg McMuffin, favourite thing at McDonald's, right? Apart from the probiotic meal that comes with a toy. But how they got the dominance, and we all just decided that that's what we're meant to eat in the morning. And then if you eat like a muffin, like a blueberry muffin or something like that, or an oatmeal muffin, that's a breakfast thing. You eat a cupcake, you're a fucking psycho.

You're a psycho. You eat like a frittata with cheese and stuff or an omelette with cheese and all these toppings on it. Oh, that's a lovely breakfast. You eat a pizza. Get your life together. You know what I mean? It's a load of rubbish how they've planned these things out. Well, I think Mr. Callaghan has a lot to do with that

because I think 100-odd years, a lot of people didn't have breakfast and then suddenly this whole marketing campaign by the food companies gave them this whole extra meal they could make money out of. And most people aren't starving as they wake up, you know. And so most people think, oh, I can't sleep anymore i'm starving it just never happens right yeah that's also the marketing of breaking the fast like you've been fasting you've been laying there just i'm like you haven't had a meal in six hours just relax yeah you you always every time you wake up this is your first Oh, I wish I could sleep a bit longer. Right? It's never like, and food. I like food.

Exactly. But the food companies have indoctrinated us into this idea that you're a bad parent if you don't feed your kids, you know, masses of sugar in the morning when they don't eat. Now, some people love breakfast and are hungry, and others aren't. But we should just let our bodies tell us what to eat, not food companies. And I think that's really something that we've discovered recently. And the science is now backing it up so that all these old theories

that it was really bad for you are totally disproven now. But there just haven't been the studies until recently and um and it's still an emotive topic when i go on t and say that you don't need breakfast i get hate mail you know people are people are very obsessed with some of these habits uh strangely attached to uh the importance of some of these rituals and uh you know again it comes back to you know know, replacing religion. I'm a one or two meals a day and I don't snack, right? You never see me snacking, right? One or two meals a day, but my meals are massive.

That's my problem. I can't go in and get the half sub. I get the four subs. I get the four subs. The four sub combo. get the four subs. I get the four subs. The four sub combo. Yeah. It's the number two. $20.

Four foot long. 20, 20, 20. I asked Jim, what is a probiotic and a prebiotic? The probiotics, he said, they're very expensive. You have to keep them in the fridge or you're an idiot. You bought the wrong ones. And then you eat them up. You eat the wrong ones. And then eat them up. You eat them and levels of bacteria in your stomach

allegedly helps you lose weight. Prebiotic you take before the pro. The condom of biotics. Yeah, also the probiotics, I believe when you get like a colonoscopy. Hold on, let's let Tim. When you get a colonoscopy, they say that you lose a lot of your probiotics

so you have to eat a lot after that. And so my wife made me do that. Yeah. That was where it made me do that. Yeah. But where it came from. Okay, sorry. Probiotics and prebiotics, can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, so you didn't quite get that right, Jim. So probiotics are live microbes in something that you eat

that generally is going to improve your health. in a in something that you eat that generally is going to improve your health so uh a probiotic can be as a tablet or uh as a liquid where they just got lots of microbe species that will go into your gut and hopefully do good or they can be in a yogurt or they can be in cheese or they can be in uh all these other kind of things like the 4k's kombucha kefir uh kimchi kraut oh i love fermented fermented food that and kimchi is why koreans are not fat you know they have you looked at the north korean leader North Koreans are not fat. You know, they're one of the few rich countries. Have you looked at their North Korean leader? Except for Kim Jong-un.

Kim Jong-un's not eating their fucking kimchi. He's eating all the food for the rest of the country. So that is probiotics. So you can eat them in capsules or you can, I prefer that people eat them in real food. And the idea is to have a small amount every day. When having a probiotic feast once a month, because these guys will die out. So just a little shot of something every day.

And at the moment, the probiotic company is publicizing everything, but we don't really know which one is the right one, because everybody's very unique in their gut microbes. Everybody's got completely different ones. So you can't tell what someone's going to need. So the best thing to do is to get a variety of them. There's many different types of stuff that you can get. So next time you have your sub, add some kimchi to it or have a shot of real yogurt but without all the chemical shit in it.

Right. I don't know if Jersey Mike's has the kimchi. Yeah, you say Mike's way with the kimchi. They put the little vinegar and then they open the fridge, a wafting smell comes towards you. I like that. Was your kilt one? That was the first one I heard about. That was like in the fridge, a wafting smell comes towards you. No, I like that. Was your kilt one? That was the first one I heard about.

That was like in the 90s, the first time I was ever aware of these things for your stomach. Well, you mentioned kefir. I drink that, but you have to do just a shot of it by itself? Yeah, Americans call it kefir. Yeah. Like kefir Sutherlandfir southern yeah that's what i called it my mom would call it brand of wheat chocolate no no no it's fermented milk yeah it's

good i like it it's basically it's like super yogurt and basically you have about oh in australia we call it kluwer no that's fermented milk alcohol yeah um baileys fermented milk is that fermented milk no this is like i'm surprised you don't have it that tastes yeah it's like it's i don't know why it comes in a jar believe it or not yeah i put it in like in a drink though. I'll mix it with other stuff. You're saying just do a shot of it is better by itself? Well, if you have it, I mean, some people add it to yogurt to make it, you know, because it's quite sour. It's a bit of an acquired taste. It's about 10 times more potent than yogurt because it's got more bugs in it. And that's the idea is to get as many different microbes inside you as possible because you don't know which ones are going to suit you. So, you know, don't, don't gamble, just take as different ones as you can. And after a while you get to actually to like, it's pretty horrible when you first have

it, but you get to like it. You just explained my dating life. It's the anal sex of food. It's the anal sex of food. What is the biggest risks of not having enough probiotics or prebiotics in your system? What are the big risks? Well, all of these things help your gut health and they help build up a diversity in your gut microbes. So it comes back to what is a healthy gut microbiome. And basically we think it's the more different species you've got,

the better. So it's like if you have the same sub every single day. I do. Even if it's packed with, even if it's got good stuff in it, you know, you've got your Vegemite and you've got all your favorites, it's going to be boring. You're going to have a much less diverse microbiome because the same microbes will get bored of it

and you need to start adding other things to it. So the idea is to add 30 different types of plant to your diet every week to give you plus probiotics to really get as many species inside you as possible, which gives you the biggest chemical factories you can get. So that's the idea is that the more you've got, the more diverse chemicals you can produce, which gives you natural defenses against things and a much more healthy balance.

So don't get a bit every day get nuggets occasionally yeah right yes diversity with some parsley um but processed food is very negative for your gut uh my wife tells me that processed food all the time if i eat white bread i'm fucking... I have to do it in the toilet now. Like in the closet? I gotta go eat like... Yeah, no, anything white she's against.

Including me. All white food she hates. Just dip it in your kimchi. We have a jar on the concert. Sauerkraut has it as well. Is that true? Yeah, he said sauerkraut.

Sauerkraut has it as well. We have sauerkraut and we have kimchi, and we get that into us all the time. I love sauerkraut. I grew up eating it. My wife's going to make me live 10, 15 years longer. Yeah, yeah. Damn.

Which still means she'll be alone for 40 years. Food allergies and intolerance. I just kind of want to go back over this because i know jim wants to talk about he said every thin hot chick has celiac disease in la that that there is very few people that have the actual celiac disease versus gluten intolerance right or is that like how can we talk about that a little or no jim's jim's right i mean i think there's about 12 of the american population think celiac and only about one percent really do and only about half a percent actually know they have so we overestimate by about tenfold these allergies and uh it's it's nonsense. But people who avoid gluten, they don't need to and it often risks their diet and they end up with a healthier, unhealthier gut because they're eating really weird stuff

that's not full of fibre and it's got extra sugars and other chemicals in it. So often they end up less healthy although they might be skinnier and I think that's that's a big it's a deal now and because there's a few of them that do have genuine intolerance so I'm not saying doesn't exist but in in studies at least 80% of people who think they have it really have nothing wrong and you can just give them pretend you know uh gluten and uh say it's something else and they they're absolutely fine oh i do when people come over to my house and they have dietary needs i just tell them yeah oh no no no this is a a gluten-free

meal this is that's not meat we're pals. Why's your child blown up? There was no nuts in that. They sign a waiver before they walk in. How long should you chew? Jim said 20 times per mouthful. How's that working out? Well, no one really knows. There was a guy called Horace Fletcher, I think he was,

in Victorian times who claimed that if you chewed all your food 200 times, you're guaranteed to lose weight. And that's probably because you got so bored and your food tasted like shit. Well, that's all the exercise. You do anything 200 times, you will lose weight. You're burning calories while you're eating. Yeah, that's all the exercise. You do anything 200 times, you will lose weight. You're burning calories while you're eating. Yeah, that's true. 200 times.

If you exercise 200 times, you're guaranteed to lose weight. This guy was a genius. Just wave your arm like this 200 times. That would be so gross by 200 chews. Yeah, it hasn't really caught on these days, so don't do that. But there is a link between how fast you eat and how much weight you put on. So you do need certain – if you eat more slowly, which means you chew it and think about it more, it gives your gut microbes time to signal to your brain that you're full whereas if you eat your eat your sub

in like two minutes uh you still will eat another one because you haven't had time for your micro to get the signal to say i'm how shitty a human design is that? I've heard this my whole life. It takes 20 minutes for your stomach to feel full. Just don't keep eating, Jim, because you might be full. What a stupid system. You should be instantaneous. It should be instant. Everything else, you stub your toe, you find out right away.

You don't stub your toe and then 20 minutes later go, oh, Christ almighty. You don't do that. You fucking ejaculate. You don't go your toe and then 20 minutes later go, oh, Christ almighty. You don't do that. You fucking ejaculate. You don't go on the drive home. You know what I mean? Right? Like, why is it the one thing makes me bloody fat? I've been hypnotized to try and eat slower.

I have. Really? Yeah. I can't not eat slower. If I have food. I did this other thing. There was this system where you're meant to eat with your knife and fork

and then you take a mouthful and you have to put your knife and fork down each time so that actually slows things down and that didn't work because I've never used a knife and fork

Tim I eat fast okay but I have never seen anyone that eats as fast as Jim when we're on the road together if we're going to eat somewhere

I get in line in front of him now to order my food first because when I first started traveling with him he would order first and by the time I would have my food and turn around to sit at the table Jim would last bite and it's like you know what I started doing like I mentioned this in my special I started taking dates to tasting menus even though it's more expensive because the portions were very small and the meal would be at the same speed as the person I was on a date with.

Like I could finish my thing in a mouthful and then they'd finish it a minute later, but it wouldn't be a big fucking deal. Because if you give me a bowl of pasta and they've got their fucking chicken celiac disease fucking dish, right, they've got their tuna thing, and then I would be done so quickly now my brothers eat at the same speed as me scott and danny uh fucking animals now i didn't realize this until there was many years ago at the edinburgh festival uh there was like a show that was late at night where comedians were meant to be doing impersonations of each other and i thought this

was just i just ate fast it wasn't a thing I was known for. And a comedian got up on stage and then they flashcarded a person they had to impersonate, Jim Jefferies, right? And then the person, instead of doing a stand-up routine like me or doing a drunken sort of character or something like that, they just acted like they were eating a bowl of food really quickly. And everybody, all the other comedians laughed like it was a known thing that they've been speaking about for a very long time.

Well, at least that's what people are saying about you behind your back. It could be worse. Yeah, well, it was a bowl of dicks. I've been trying to eat it with greasy chopsticks. Well, this is the thing. I've heard that Asian people are thinner because they eat with chopsticks and so smaller mouthfuls. So I did actually in COVID buy myself a set of chopsticks

for this very reason. But it turns out I can pick up a steak with them. I remember, you know what? That just reminded me. I think it was Evander Holyfield. He said when he was training, so he wouldn't gain weight, but he still wanted to eat steak, he would get steak and chew it and to get all the flavor and then spit it out.

No, but that's meant to be. Oh, I wish Jack was here. We have a light bulb go out once an episode and Jack goes, oh, it's about once every six episodes or something like that. There's something. This place is going to burn down. The electricity. Is the lighting okay still, Lewis?

Yeah. But you're not meant to chew and spit out, because I've done that before, thinking I'll lose weight, I'll chew and spit. Because your stomach, it's why chewing gum is bad for you. Your stomach thinks it's about to receive something and it goes a bit mental. Is that correct or am I talking bollocks?

Bollocks. Oh, okay. Well, I'll start chewing over the bin and spitting again good yeah aussie aussie food culture you can that's right i want to talk about something that that you'll know about this okay uh the food pyramid if there's ever been a bigger scam in our society than the food pyramid. We were taught this at school and it was like all the things you're meant to eat. The bottom story, the bottom level of it was bread. It was breads and grains. That's what the majority. And then it was like fruits and vegetables.

Well, after bread, bread was more important than fruits and vegetables. Then meat. Then dairy. And then at the top was fat and that was how we were meant to eat could you have a worse diet than following that thing that the government sent us no that's why we've all got fatter over the last 30 years because um of this rather daft advice yeah particularly on fat of this rather daft advice yeah particularly on fat because they made us eat all these starchy foods and said starchy foods are good fatty foods are bad and so the food companies just changed everything to be low fat this and low fat that it highly processed rather than natural make more money on it and they introduced the concept of a healthy snack, which was a low-fat snack.

And so all that together has caused this massive epidemic of obesity because a combination of eating more snacks and having this highly processed food culture drummed into us. A lot of the healthy stuff like cheese and um uh oils and things like butter you know nothing really wrong with them and many people do better on eating fatty diets than high sugar carb diets and it comes back to this whole idea that there isn't one size fits all and that's that's one of the studies we've been doing recently about you know with with this company zoe uh we gave thousands of people identical meals and it turns out that everybody responded differently to that identical muffin and a milkshake everybody so even

identical twins when you gave them identical foods, their metabolic response was different. So it tells us that it's complete nonsense that we follow one particular, you know, US or Australian diet and that's what we should all have, exactly those calories, exactly that fat. Everybody's different and so it's complete nonsense. And that's why some people will do well on one diet, others won't't there's no point copying your mate just because they lost weight or did well you've got to find out what's good for you and how do you find that out that's the big question how do i find out i'll start with milkshakes like how do i find out which food's good because i know there's certain foods that if i eat that i seem to puff up on. It's like if I, for whatever reason, and I love sushi,

if I have sushi the next day I'm like four pounds heavier and then it all drops off and I hear that's like salt retention or some bullshit like that, right? But like how do I find out what's the good food for me and what's the bad food for me as a person? Well, the easiest is to go to one of these companies and do a test like thousands of other people compare how you respond to all these other thousands of people eating the identical foods do idea get an idea about whether you are going to respond to fats or sugars or carbs in a different

way and that and that really depends on your unique metabolism. And you can now do this. So the company I'm with, Zoe, have got this product in the U.S. that you can buy this kit and you get the muffins, you get the sugar, you get a glucose monitor. Have you seen these continuous glucose monitors people wear? Correct, yeah. So basically you see your sugar level in real time for two weeks.

So every time you eat your sub, you'll see 30 minutes later whether you get a big peak or not. And so you can start tweaking that and trying to understand whether it's the fat in it that's causing you problem or it's the carbs in the bread. And I did this and found, you know, that things really surprised me, even as a doctor, I had no idea that I would react so much to orange juice or porridge, oat porridge, and bread, was my wife reacted totally differently. She had none of those things. So we end up with completely different diets but only by doing these tests yourself do you understand what's going on it's very hard for people to instinctively feel what's good or bad for them some people can some people get sugar dips and things but this is the old this is the whole new area of personalized nutrition so anyone who's really

interested in this you know that's what they need to do is to sign up for one of these, these things, you get all this person, uh, devices, you can put on yourself, really work out what's going on in your fat levels, your sugar levels, and also measure gut microbes. You know, we're talking about it, make you a bit of fun, but you can actually sequence, uh uh everybody's microbes now to great level of detail and work out which how many of the good ones you've got i mean the bad ones and select which foods you ought to be eating more of or less of to get healthier ones so i'm gonna get me one of those tests fiction but it is reality you're gonna do and uh i think this is where the future is going you're gonna do one jim i'm gonna do one i hope that the answer comes back

more hamburgers yeah that you'd be the first one i think that that comes back for all right we talked about my hamburger diet we talked about microbes what they are and you did mention that he said his would be similar as brothers but you said everyone's very unique i don't know if that includes brothers um well it's going to be not similar because he said that twins weren't even the same yeah yeah that's what i'm saying so i'm just going through the okay here we go um i was just making sure we got through all the questions uh what is a poo transplant would you have a poo transplant if you're ill you said when you get poo from others colostomy bag yeah what can you talk about poo transplants and i don't know if that's right i love talking

about poo transplants yeah um so actually there are tens of thousands of americans every year who get poo transplants uh legally and it's it's the number one treatment for a really nasty gut condition called C. difficile, and people die. But if you get healthy microbes, healthy poo sample from somebody, and you put it into someone who's got these gut problems, you cure them with 90% of cases. And no other treatment comes close. All right. How do you put it in them i think you know and then the hatch there's three there's three ways you can get it up your bum through an enema or a colonoscopy um you can get it fed down through a nasal

tube. A tube goes down your nose into your stomach and you drip the liquid in there. Or the other way, the more sophisticated is a form of chocolate truffles. It's basically

frozen poo in digestive capsules, acid-resistant capsules, which we generally call crapsules. And you swallow 30 of these crapsules and release them. And then you go to Mexico. You go from Mexico. You go from Mexico and then you go to Mexico. You go from Mexico. You go from Mexico. And then you receive a bag. The choice is yours, Jim.

So you can have any of those. And people are now doing experiments to see, well, can this make you, if you take from a slim person, can it make you slimmer? They're taking it from people without cancer, for people who are having cancer treatments, and with colitis and inflammatory diseases and seeing if they can cure them. There's a range of successes. Some of them are good.

Some of them are not working yet. But it's a real fascinating area. Because if it does work, yes, you can be cured. And some people with colitis are actually cured of this. But if it doesn't work, you just ate shit. I have lived in America for a long time now, and one of the things about America when you first move here, which is very shocking to you, is that they advertise medications.

The rest of the world doesn't advertise medications and they always start with ask your doctor if you should take cialis or whatever like that and side effects may be depression this this death right and you it's very weird because i don't believe you should be asking your doctor anything they should be telling you you know you shouldn't go oh maybe i this drug. I am yet to see the poo transplant. Ask your doctor for a poo transplant. Where do you find a poo donor? Is there a registry for that, or do you just ask a friend?

Side effects, maybe not being able to look your friend in the eye anymore. And is it called poo transplant? Is that the technical term? No, it's fecalal Microbial Transplant FMT There's a place in Boston That supplies 90% of American poo So there's about It's called wicked good poo

Down in Southie Hey, I'm coming to have a poo transplant That's New York He travelled 40 students in Boston Who get paid to poo regularly Hey, I'm coming to have a poo trend. That's New York. Oh, okay. He traveled. There's about 40 students in Boston who get paid to poo regularly. Wow. The Boston poo party.

And their shit gets distributed all across the U.S. to save lives. Isn't that good? Students? I don't want students' poo. It's full of ramen noodles And fucking I'm sure it has to be good They attest that I'm sure right They have to have some quality poo

They're not allowed to eat curry They're not allowed to go to Thailand All kinds of restrictions on what they can do And they're not allowed to be Psychotic I don't want my poo to have a Boston accent Is curry bad for you? Is curry a bad thing for you? to be psychotic. I don't want my poo to have a Boston accent, though. Is curry bad for you?

Is curry a bad thing for you? It messes up your microbes a bit, yes. And it also makes it a bit runny, so they don't like it in the lab. So that's the reason. If you're a professional poo donor, you're not allowed to have regular curry. I ask this question because I get the squirts often. That's bad, right? That's bad.

That's not good, right? It's better than constipation. Oh, no, I don't have that. I'm shitting on the regular. I shit even when I don't want to, even when I'm not near a toilet. Whoa, whoa, whoa, healthy gym. Yeah, I'm very regular. I shit even when I don't want to, even when I'm not in a toilet. Whoa, whoa, whoa, healthy gym. Yeah, I'm very regular. I eat a meal and within an hour of eating a meal or less,

I have to poop. Yeah, but it takes 30 hours for it to turn to poo. Yeah, but it's pushing the other poop out. That's the meal from the other day. Yeah, yeah, but that's healthy, I think. I don't know. It's just because you eat your meals at the same time. There's a huge variation between how long it takes.

And you can do the sweet corn test or with the company Zoe, we've got a bright blue muffin you can eat. And you can tell when it hits the toilet because it goes, makes a big splash, as they say. There's the Guinness test. That works as well. Guinness will show you. Some people it's four hours and some it's four days. There's a huge range. But it's very hard

to know what is normal. Everybody's very different. The length of your colon is also very different, as well as the speed at which it goes through. So it's generally better to have the faster everything's happening, generally, or activity in your microbes, the better you are. Oh, good. So maybe Jimmy thing. Yeah, I'm feeling healthier by the second year. Okay, and I'm gonna stay near a prolapse. So that's a good thing. Right? That's something positive. Any career that that this part of the show where I want to ask you about a

dinner party fact this is just a the show where I want to ask you about a dinner party fact. This is just a fact that you can give to our audience, like obscure, interesting, that they can use to impress people about the subject. Something that might not be very commonly known if you have something in that realm. My books, Spoonfed and Diet Myth, are full of these. So if you are lacking in anecdotes after dinner, I'd definitely recommend reading those. If I had to pick one, I'd probably say red wine would be a good one for me. I like red wine. And I can now say that because of its chemicals it's got in it

called polyphenols, which are rocket fuel for your gut microbes. It's a really good thing to eat and drink a glass a day for your gut microbes. It keeps them healthy. And the same is not true for white wine because of the grape skin. So there's a lot of foods that we're told are unhealthy are actually very healthy for us. And red wine is the top of the list, along with things like dark chocolate and cheese and coffee. And that's because of the chemicals in the skin of the plant. Now, can I fill that glass up all the way to the top and have it still count as just one glass?

Yeah, yeah. I can't have one glass. If you're like Kelly and you just drink it from the lip of the bottle. How did you know I did that the other day? It's on my Instagram story. Once again, the book is Spoonfed, Why Almost Everything We've Been Told About Food is Wrong. It's Dr. Tim Spector. Before you go, if you could just maybe in some sort of succinct terms, just tell like our audience, like just the benefits of gut

health overall. I know we've touched on a lot of it, but just kind of like a, kind of like a parting thought about it, I guess, just because I think this is good for everybody. Well, gut health is proving it essential for everything. And I think if you understand a bit about your microbes, you really, it changes the way you think about food. And every time you put something in your mouth, you realize that with 100 trillion microbes, you're never going to eat alone again. And I think that's a really important thought.

So you can still enjoy all your food and just pick the right ones that also you and your microbes will like and uh as well as reading the books if you anyone's interested in personalized nutrition go to the website joinzoe.com and you can do your own tests and work out what your poo really looks like in real life as well as your how you can respond to those muffins and whether giant sobs are good for you. All right. Perfect.

Thank you, Tim. I'm going to do a lot of these things. I might report back on a later episode. We can do that. If you actually do these things, we can have another. You'll come back. This is a very special episode. I don't know about that.

Jim's dedicated salad. We could do one just like your gut microbes. You could do the test and just on your gut alone. I'll do it. Okay. I'll do it. I'll do a test. All right.

Well, thanks for being here, Dr. Tim Spector. Again, the book is Spoonfed, Almost Everything We've Been Told About Food is Wrong. Thank you, Doctor. Thank you so much. If you're ever at a party and be like hey why are you eating that alone in a corner i'll go don't know about that good night australia hey everybody jason ellis here from the jason ellis show, reminding you that my podcast,

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