I Don't Know About That - History of Cinema

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

Jim may know a lot about movies, but does he have any idea of how they came to be? Find out with this week's expert, John Wynn (@funnyasiancomic). ADS: TRADE COFFEE: Get a free bag of coffee with select subscription plans when you visit https://www.drinktrade.com/idkat. SCUMBAGS OF HISTORY: Look for Scumbags of History anywhere you listen to podcasts, and catch video clips of the show on TikTok HTTPS://WWW.TIKTOK.COM/@scumbagsofhistory

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Who's more expensive at Vegas? You might find out. And I don't know about that with Jim Jeffries I think you're gonna find out right now I'll tell you right now I just went to Vegas

with the missus and we we went and saw we were gonna go see Adele but it was like two grand a ticket or something was the

was the cheapest ones we could get and I I'm not a big Adele person I get what I get why people like her yeah but that song

if I hear hello in my car if i can change it i can't change it quick enough we're rolling in the deep oh i don't know that's her best song that's her most upbeat one and that one where she goes the one where she's like someone like you Skyfall. The one where she's like, someone like you. I want nothing.

Has anyone seen The Bloke? Right? If you Google The Bloke, who's allegedly the guy that that song's written about, it takes all the shine off it. Yeah, well, I mean. Yeah, because I think that was before she was famous. Yeah, yeah, before famous. Yeah, Adele before famous wasn't getting high-end I assume she's I don't think her husband is it Rich Paul isn't it Rich Paul her

husband he's the agent sports agent oh I was about to become an agent but not say anything mean it's a sports agent you say they can't affect my career in the slightest I think it's LeBron's I don't know it says simon kanecki maybe she was she was telling a story oh did adele marry rich paul oh yeah yeah yeah okay anyway i'm not a big adele fan but i do like myself a bit of barry manilow it reminds me of my childhood it's like mandy and all that and and you could get tickets for manilow under 100 bucks and i was like i said to the wife i said fuck it i don't want to go to adele and i went you want to tickets for Manilow under a hundred bucks. And I was like, I said to the wife, I said, fuck it. I don't want to go to a Dell. And then I went, you want to go to Manilow?

My wife had the best time ever. She loves Barry Manilow now. What hotel is it? Wait, wait, she didn't know that she liked Barry? He's in the Westgate. The Westgate? It's at the end of the strip. The Westgate's not even on the strip.

It's so far. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that Old Town at that point? No, no, no, no. It's still where the newer part is. It's like near the Sahara. Oh, okay. But it's just like a block off the strip.

And I'm not going to shit on the Westgate because I'd like to work there one day meself. No, you know what they have in Westgate? I like Resorts World. You know what they have in Westgate that's really good? They have a Benihana. Yeah. I like Benihana, but it's really nice.

They've got like fake trees and rivers. It's like a really nice Benihana. That I like Benihana, but it's really nice. They've got like fake trees and rivers. It's like a really nice Benihana. That's cool. Westgate. I want to go to the Westgate now. They also own the country club where we play golf, where Jim and I played with your dad. Oh, cool.

And Drew on Super Bowl, yeah. Yeah, no, it was a nice theater. He puts on a good show. He does Mandy, and he writes the songs that make the whole world sing. And then he does a sing-along to, For you know I can't smile. He does that with the bouncing balls. So everyone sings that.

But then everyone has glow sticks. And I was in a back section where it wasn't really sold out. So I had like six. Glow sticks. Yeah. So I just fucking cracked me gold. And then during Copacabana, my edibles were really kicking in. So Tazie didn't know Barry Manilow before this?

Well, no. She knows Barry Manilow, but she, I don't know. Look, she was high as well. So maybe this is the most, she's like, that was a good concert she goes even up the back it was like he was talking directly to you i'll tell you another fun thing that happened to me today well not fun i was i i i i uh where did i go this morning i had something to do this morning doctor's appointment doctor's appointment when i was coming out of the doctor's appointment, I was a millimeter away from stepping in shit. What kind of shit?

Dog shit. Not human shit. It could be anything. It could be anything. It was meaty. It had some body to it. And I remember I was so outraged that I almost stepped in shit. And I was like, fucking people.

I was swearing to myself. Fucking people. Fucking pick up after your fucking dogs. And then i remembered my childhood where i stepped in shit weekly yeah yeah and i was like this my son you're 100 right has never stepped in shit yeah he's had a shit free life i've stepped in so much dog shit i was i had a stick yeah almost constantly and that grooves. You'd be digging it out of your grooves. You'd get the hose.

You'd get the high pressure. I used to buy shoes. I used to check the soles and think to myself, oh, these are good dick dog shit shoes. Right? So Jordans, these are terrible dog shit shoes. They've got the little grooves. They're Travis Scott's.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Terrible for dog shit, right? But I tell you, the old Jordans, the Jordan sort of fours, the one with the black bit of the bit where they just had circles at the bottom. Yeah. They were a great dog shit shoe. Bad for grip, though. Bad for grip.

That's why I slipped in Prague. Yeah. Through my phone and Amos. They had the old Jordans on there. Yeah, they're just holes and they're triangles and stuff. But you could spray them with a hose. Now, dog shit was so bad in my childhood that at the front of every classroom at St Ives North Primary School, right,

they had metal grates that were just like, they were metal, they were like in the concrete and then they were slanted up just so you could remove dog shit before you came in the class. Society hadn't got to the moment where we thought, don't leave the dog shit there.

Let me pick it up. People still do once in a while, obviously. But the neighborhood I live in has so many fucking dogs and I only see a pile every once in a while. But I would step in dog shit. I would estimate 10 to 12 times a year easily. I've slipped in dog shit

where it's gone up my leg like a fucking banana peel In a slapstick comedy Yeah because I've slipped in me heel And then I've slid into it It's gone on me jeans There's the old joke What's the similarity

Between dog shit and air stewardesses The older they get the easier they are to pick up That's a good Solid joke dog shit and air stewardesses what the older they get the easier to pick up we have improved as a society and do you remember the first people who started picking up dog shit and we all questioned him like they were weird there's stand-up comics across the world world were doing this when that came in have you seen these women carrying around a little bag of shit with them there was so many comics doing this bit and now but now the bit's all about like you don't clean up your shit well now you know the problem

is you can't speak to the younger folk i think your generation you didn't even have dog shit did you you were just there was dog shit i stepped in dog shit yeah you were early it has gotten better oh yeah you're right on the edge you're like i'm a customer i've tried telling hank about it i've tried telling hank about there was just shit everywhere and we all stepped in it yeah and you'd see bits where other people have stepped in it on the concrete because if you're on the footpath it wouldn't even be on the grass yeah this would just be dog shit on concrete. And you're like, even the dogs have learned. The dogs now move over to a tree.

They used to, dogs just, they abandoned. The other day I was walking Arnie, I forgot the bags. He took a shit. And then about a half hour later I had to go somewhere. So when I was driving, I went by and picked up the shit. Like two blocks away. And a woman saw me and she goes thank you for doing that i go i can't believe i'm fucking doing like this exactly this same thought popped in my head i was like who does this like who's yeah

in front of my house there's a pile on on the on the fence there's a puddle there where some dog had diarrhea and it's it's stained the concrete it's been there for about three months and i thought this rain would get rid of it if you look at it there's a circular stain and i i'm angry at the owner plus i'm also like it was an unpick upable it was not pick upable higher pressure washer like what do you do i i it just it's stained the concrete the concrete's now a different color this dog shit um tour speaking of vegas you're gonna be in vegas march 8th and 9th coming up come and see me at the new hard rock or the mirages it's still called always a good time i'm gonna bring the wife we're gonna probably see some more concerts we'll see if we can how's she coming she'll come yeah oh yeah jj and i are there with

you yeah yeah the wife the wife loves supporting my career in New York, Vegas. That's right. And she's shown interest in Miami. That was funny the other day. I don't remember where you brought that up. I think it was at the murder mystery thing. And she was like, and? And then she goes, oh, no, that's it.

You said New York, Vegas. Yeah. She went to Chicago. London, maybe. Yeah, London, sure. She went to Chicago. London, maybe. London, sure. She'll do anything in the UK. But even when she comes to Australia, she tours with me. So this, hey, I'm going to tell you something about,

there's going to be an Australian tour announced soon. You know what I'm sick and tired of? You know this about me, Jack. Everything in the entertainment business, for some reason you're not allowed to say anything. You have to go like this. You have to go, don't tell anyone because we haven't finalized the dates or if you've got a tv show where there's going to be an announcement or something like that nah fuck it i haven't finalized the dates but i'll be doing a tour of australia in july august

and so it's it's happening so if it doesn't happen we're sorry a big one too and where i may even come out to when i say rural i don't mean like i'm not going to go to the fucking desert but i might come out to some smaller towns that i haven't visited before you're gonna go to cooper pd ah there's not a there's not enough people in cooper pd to make it worth me while like you by the time you paid for the flights you wouldn't be able to but But the people at Cooper Petey, hey, you chose to live there. So that's what I got to say to you people.

You're living underground like moles, man. Like to fucking, the people at Cooper Petey live under the ground like fucking moles. And you know what they're mining? Opals. Opals. Opals are a precious gem that is only owned by elderly women on brooches.

That's the only... I don't understand why it's precious. No, well, if you're... My mom's birthstone, she had a lot of opal stuff. So when she was younger even too, so... Yeah, but that your mother's generation, my mother's generation, which was about 10 years old in your mother's generation, but a similar similar generation she was all opaled up as well opals falling out of favor

young girls don't go to the opals I don't hear about opals when you fly to Australia there's always opal commercials on the planes oh they're bragging about it we're the biggest producer of opals in the world

but I've had it's like Nicole Kidman comes on she's got opals I've had exes that I've taken I've taken several different women to Australia and I've gone

you should get an opal I go like this they're a lot cheaper here than in America and every one of them looks like Opel. I go like this, they're a lot cheaper here than in America. And every one of them looks like, I don't want a fucking Opel. A green marbly rock. And then you have that movie about Adam Sandler when he was gambling. Uncut Gems.

Uncut Gems. It was a big Opel. And I was like, Kevin Garnett's coming in there going, I have to buy this Opel. And I'm like, get on a plane to Australia. The flight alone, you'll save money on your Opal purchasing. Get it at the airport. Don't even go to a special shop.

Duty Free Store. Duty Free Store, Opal up. Go to jimjeffries.com for other dates too, in America and also South Africa. We've got Des Moines, South Africa. We've got new casinos coming up. Casino in Oregon on March 16th. Grand Ronde.

That just went on sale. It's just around the corner. So if you're in, what is it? Grand Ronde. It's about 20 minutes outside of Portland. Yeah, if you're in Portland, you want to come out, come out to the casino. Grand Ronde. Yeah, I think it's like 20 or 30 minutes outside of portland so i do a similar show to barry manilow oh if you're at the back row you'll

it'll be like i'm talking to you des moines iowa march 22nd kansas city march 23rd then you're in south africa spokane denver two shows in denver fort lauderdale south carolina san francisco um you got a whole bunch of stuff coming up and uh it's all on jimjeffries.com except for these Atlantic City and Australians watch the 1% Club watch the 1% Club check out the 1% Club and I'll be in Australia April 24th and 26th at the Factory Theater we're gonna try to do a live podcast when we're there yeah and say your dates are gonna cut you off there sorry April 24th April 26th Factory Theater you can go to foreshaw.net there's ticket links on there there's ticket links on my Instagram.

And I'll have some shows at the Comics Lounge the week after that. I just don't have any that set yet. And I'll be there. And then the podcast, I think we're going to do at the Comics Lounge. I think that's set yet. I'm going to be there.

We're going to do a podcast at the Comic Lounge. And there's some other thing going to happen that I'm not allowed to mention. Jack's going to be there. Dun, dun, dun. I'm going to be there for something that isn't happening. No, for the podcast. Yeah.

Oh, right. The Live Podcast. And we fucking... So yesterday, me and Jack did no less than six or seven hours of press for Australia, where I did every radio station. For the 1% Club, yeah. In the country. And some of...

I must have gotten bored because some of the radio was just lying, just like, I'd get on the air and then they'd go, so what's things like? And I just said, I was having sex with Kylie Minogue. I've been dating her for years. You did this. We were in Europe, I want to say. Remember this?

No. There was one night where you had to do, we were on some long leg of like, show, show, show, show country. And then you had to do press and you're like, ah. And then you came there. So me and Amos sat in your living room, I remember, and you did similar thing. It was like you were dating Judi Dench or something.

It was like, I don't even remember. And people just believe you. Yeah, and you were just like making stuff up and people were like, whoa, cool, yeah like making stuff up and people were like whoa cool yeah and Amos and I were like trying not to laugh we're just sitting over there and that was I was like this is how you should do it this is how you should do all these you just make shit up as you go

there was one interview that was so funny because I think it was a pre-record so you're like you can swear they can bleep it later so you say fuck and they go oh man I guess you forgot you can't swear on this and you went no I was just getting bored I wanted you to pull me off the air

it wasn't a pre-record it's live oh it was live it's live and we don't have a we don't have a dump button and then I went

ah well you know you know what it's fucking like I said something like that and they went oh well obviously you don't know you're on radio because you've just dropped the f-bomb

sorry well and I go no I knew I did it. I just was bored of you people. One other thing is we have a live podcast coming up at Flappers in a little less than two weeks. I believe it's March. I don't want to get it.

March 5th. Yep. March 5th. March 5th. We have a live podcast at Flappers. What, like in a week? Two weeks. Two weeks from the other day. Well, a week live podcast at Flappers. What? Like in a week? Two weeks. Two weeks from the other day.

Well, a week from when this comes out, yes. Thank you. A week? A week from today. Are people coming? Flappers. I got to check. I'm sure people are coming.

People came last time. Why wouldn't they come this time? I've got to post. Yeah, we should do a better job with that. Well, yeah, we'll post. You'll post from yours. I'll post from the IDCat podcast on Instagram. So come out and check that out as well. And yeah i think that's it all right all right now let's meet our

guest john winn hello john we're well i know john winn but i i don't know what he's here to talk about so now it's time to play yes though yes judging a book by its cover You know, John Yeah Is it comedy based? No, we've already done comedy I know, but it could be comedy based Not really I think so

Is it entertainment based? Yes Is it in the field of music? No Is it in the field of music? No. Is it in the field of movies? Yes. Is it a particular movie? No.

Is it a genre of movies? No. Is it about a certain job in the movies? Nope. This is exciting. Is it about watching movies? Sort of, yeah. Sure. It's movie

and you're missing another word. Cinema. Movie cinema. Movie blank. Trailers. Popcorn. Pornography. Lots of pornography.

Look at the forest not that forest you're looking too narrow movie trees that's it that's the history of movies his movie history his trees his trees and movies although i call it her street i've never heard you say that i do do. I don't call it history. I try to work. He's very progressive. Very progressive. It's her-stry. Yeah, very woke.

Her-stry for me now. Your little thing's coming off. You're going to look over there. You're sliding on there. It's bothering me. I can see the holes. Oh, it doesn't matter. No, don't do that.

Oh, you have that thing with the holes? I want to raw dog it. No, I don't have that thing with the holes. I just have my CD. You know that. Okay. History of movies. Movie history.

John Wynn. I've known him a long time, and i just fucked his name up john winn is a filmmaker who's also a stand-up comic uh he is also a tenured professor at los angeles mission college i never knew that that's right yeah in the multimedia and cinema discipline teaching film history and production courses uh you can find information about him at johnwincomedy.com and find him on Instagram at funnyasiancomic. John is really funny, so you should go check him out. Isn't he also the puppet in the Ventriloquist episode?

Oh, yeah. He's my puppet. That's right. That was actually. It was a puppet of John. It was a puppet of John that we used. That's right. Two episodes ago.

It was very accurate. Although John's real asshole clamps around my arm a lot. But it looks like another friend of... Cam. It's mostly the hair. The hair's so floppy. It's so floppy, right? His hair's like...

But Cam's Asian, right? Yep. That makes sense then. At first I was like, I don't know if you want to... Don't worry, he's Asian. We're in the clear, folks. Why are you making a face, dude? I'm very tolerant of Asians.

I have a quarter one here that I take everywhere with me. Just a quarter. That's as far as he can go. No more. Jack's a quarter Asian. Is that right? What part? What Japanese?

Oh, there you go. Can you tell? No. Couldn't tell. Wouldn't have known. Technology? Oh, there we go. Can you tell? No. Couldn't tell. I wouldn't have known. Technology? Yeah. Oh, there we go.

All right. I'm going to ask Jim questions about movie history. Oh, yeah. You want to say, tell us a little bit more. I mean, you can talk about, I mean, you're a comic, obviously, but Jim didn't even know you were a professor. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I've been teaching about like, I think about 20 years now on and off. Yeah, I've been teaching about like, I think about 20 years now on and off. But I moved to L.A. the second go around to take a job teaching. And it's awesome. L.A. Missions and SOMAR. And yeah, made films, made a web series with Forrest many years ago. Labor Days. He won an award for best actor, which was interesting. What do you mean interesting?

It's fascinating. That whole festival shut down. I just did a murder mystery party with Forrest, and I don't know how he won a Best Actor award. I'll tell you how. I'll tell you how, because... Did you do an accent? No, I did not do an accent.

But I will tell you this. So I was sitting next to Arden Mirren, who's a very funny, good actress, actor, actress, whatever you want to call her. Yeah, she does. And that was my first time meeting her i didn't know her and i was supposed to be a person that didn't like people and they didn't like me and so i just kind of did myself but grumpier and every time i was reading i don't

know if you heard every time i was reading i don't know if you heard her everyone else knew me but art would go no no it's great like she thought that I was doing I don't think she knew that that was like me basically because she would say no no it's great and she was like this is great and everyone else was like yeah

but it was okay it was just Forrest doing a little bit I think something upset Forrest today Forrest was the murderer but it was like it was so obvious

that he was the murderer that no one picked him because we were like well that's it can't be it's too obvious because what's meant to happen is meant to be the second or third most obvious person. That's how murderers go.

That's how they got you with the twist. I was clearly the murderer. And everyone's like, yeah, can't be. Plus, I was thrown everybody off. The murder mystery was like this. You have an alibi. You have an alibi. You have an alibi.

You have an alibi. He doesn't have one. All right, next round. There was 10 of us, I think. Everyone had an elevator everyone else was hanging out with each other

I was playing billions with him he's covered in blood that's why it was pleasant Forrest's character was alone in the room with the murder victim

alright next round can't be him so I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions on movie history at the end of him answering these questions you're going to grade them on series of questions on movie history. At the end of him answering these questions, you're going to grade him on accuracy, 0 through 10.

10 is the best, John. And Jackson will grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on how hungry I am. We'll add these scores together. That was the first time he didn't laugh. Oh, he's laughing. Okay. He thinks it's hilarious.

I don't know why it's so funny. We'll add all these scores together. If you score 21 through 30, Oscar, the trophy. De La Hoya. No, the Oscar, the trophy. 11 through 20, Oscar. The grouch. No, the style for steak.

Huh? Oh, yeah, so the crab with the bird eyes. Crab and lobster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably number one, actually. That sounds pretty cool. And then zero through 10 is Oscar. The grouch.

Yeah. Nice, nice. Crushed it. what led to the development of motion pictures okay so we've already had actors for a long time we've had them in stage fraction of stuff the development of motion pictures would have been the development of the camera well would have been the thing that really would have been the first domino where people would have gone this thing shoots things in motion

we should tell stories through this medium I like your thinking here someone invented a camera and they're like we should make film with that I'll tell you it was blokes that played piano like this and they went wouldn't it be good if we had pictures to that I'll tell you, it was blokes that played piano like this. And they went, wouldn't it be good if we had pitches to that?

It went the other way around. Reverse engineer, yeah. So yeah, the development of the camera. Good looking people needed to do something. They needed a job that they could be passionate about. Yeah. Yeah, they're good looking, just wandering the streets doing nothing. When was the first motion picture camera invented? And who was it credited to? Who invented it?

The first motion picture camera was invented. So I'll tell you, the first motion picture where everyone went, ooh, was that train that came towards you. Oh, that's very good. It was the train. And everyone had to run out of the cinema because they thought, this fucking thing's going to hit us, right? And so that would have been, oh, well over 100 years now.

You know, I'm going to, ooh. I'm going to... Ooh. And I can even remember footage of Kaiser Wilhelm walking around during the First World War. That's right, yeah. Right? Grainy pictures of that. So it has to be before that.

1896. 1896. That was when the camera, the motion picture camera was invented. That's when they first started making the train movies and all that. Motion picture camera. Okay, and then who was credited with the motion picture camera invention? The guy. There was a guy.

Cranks. Old Cranks. Yeah. I'll tell you what it was. It was a bloke. It was a bloke who had an organ grinder with a monkey. He already had the muscle memory. Yeah, he's like this

what else could I do with my skill set I've nailed this this does music what if this monkey other people can see yeah so we did photography the other day

right so I should remember this the first photo was a photo of somebody outside the house I can't remember when that was we only just did it

it was like three weeks ago just who did it you got the date who did it um uh uh paul hogan great hogan crocodile dundee yeah bro crocodile and he wasn't his first movie was just the first movie you saw when did people begin watching screened entertainment? Like when were they going on screen? 19, I reckon the first cinemas opened where people could go into the cinema and watch like that Eskimo documentary. People love filming Eskimos. That was a big thing.

Nanook of the North? Yeah, Nanook of the North. That's right. Right, Nanook of the North. Nanook of the North. We're looking about. There's no way his name the Nook of the North. The Nook of the North. We're looking about. There's no way his name was the Nook. It is.

I know, but the alliteration's too good. The Nook of the North. Well, it was the title. It was called Ernie the Eskimo. And the tagline was, you'll be in-uit. You'll be in-uit. In-uit. You'll be in-uit.

You'll be in-uit. You'll be an Inuit. Inuit. You'll be Inuit. Yeah, Inuit. You'll be Inuit. Right? The Nook of the North in the cinemas, 1908. Okay. When did the development of sound recording come about? 1920s. We started to have some talkies come in. Because then you go, like, 1930s, we're talking,

well, 1920s, we're still, oh, even before, 1920s, we're talking Shirley Temple was the biggest thing in the world, right? So Shirley, you know, that was the first toy fad that ever happened was the Shirley Temple doll was the first, during the depression, everyone went mental and bought a Shirley Temple doll. My mother owned a couple of them

thinking they were going to be retirement plans. But it turns out that everyone who owned those things are dead, and no one else wants to buy them, and they're worth nothing now. They've gone full circle. So 1920s. Talkies. Talkies, 1920s. Before that, there was no sound.

There would be a pianist playing like the the like the three amigos okay you know the movie that they see at the beginning of the three amigos when they walk into the mexican town that was cinema and people would go and there'd be someone tying someone to a train track and then they'd be like oh no and then it would say oh no oh no oh no and then you know and it was and it was good it was good for people like me because that's when the pale run the world as soon after that we were we were knocked off our throne i won't tell you the exact but the pale but how does that relate to the because we we pinged on camera for us we pinged on camera it wasn't called black and black. It was called black and white.

And the white, he'd put us in a dark outfit, cake us on with makeup like zinc. We all got some type of cancer. But he'd cake on the makeup, and then we'd have the lipsticks on. Oh, I'm a pretty lady, like that. And it was like, who was the famous actor who had, like, some, like, it was like Rivero, Cavalieri or something. The great something.

The famous actor, the great something. Rudolph Valentino? Great Valentino. I'll give him answers, John. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, the great Valentino. Hey, you nailed it with that Valentino answer. Yeah, that's right.

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yeah that's why no one did anything also she was a scumbag Elton John wrote a song Sandals in the Wind it's an old joke you've got to check it out new episodes are dropping

every Monday morning look out for Scumbags of History anywhere you listen to podcasts why were the movies called peep shows because you saw

them with your peeps bro good point and it was before people and then like oh okay so before before all of this you would go the nickelodeon that's good yeah you pay a nickel again but before the nickelodeon There was these machines Where you'd go up in the goggles And then you would It would turn around And turn around And it would just be

Normally All the entertainment In the early 1900s Right Was Someone with a stick With a hoop Bashing it down the road

People People would come And then there'd be You'd go You'd go You'd watch another one Oh it's a girl with a balloon Nah I'm a hoop guy I like the hoop genre

And so you'd watch that bloke Knocking a hoop stick Going around Around And you'd think That's good So those were peep shows Because then

As we went into pornography As we got the cinema and stuff We went back to that And you'd have a wank in a booth You're not meant to wank in a booth Because it's a public area But they had cleaning stuff there i've done it what is what is the first film produced with the most depiction camera are you going with the train it was uh the train yeah the train was the was the first one and and then you know then you start okay then

you start going into like those you know you've got chaplain and stuff through the 20s and 30s, right? Because chaplain was before Hitler because Hitler nicked the moustache, right? When I wear the moustache, I just want it to be very clear I'm being chaplain. And people, when I have a chaplain moustache, but when I'm wearing my chaplain, I don't like the looks that I get in this town for just trying to look like chaplain. I'm trying to do an homage to what this city was fucking built on. It's a very judgy town. I think if anyone's seen your live show recently, they know this is a lie, what you're saying.

I'm chaplain. Yeah, okay. Who or what is the black mariah uh that would that would be i want to say beyonce but she hasn't got the voice so i'm gonna say i'm gonna say elisa keys no Mariah Carey is the semi black Mariah she's we'll get in trouble

I don't know I'm not Hitler he's Chaplin Chaplin so in relation to movies who or what is the black Mariah

it's spelled like Maria just so you know the black Maria but it's pronounced Mariah Ave Mariah the Ave Mariah. The Black Mariah, I would

say that would have been... Oh, I know what it is. It's Mickey Rooney playing an Asian guy in Breakfast at Tiffany's. That's true. That would be a word he would say. Who is considered to be the first

movie star? The Great Valentino. you what it would be a word he would say yeah who is considered to be the first movie star uh the great valentino okay i hope that's not the answer rudolph norea he was a dancer valentino valentino why were the oscars started the oscars were started because the actors being the dumbasses that the bunch of those people are they they either asked for a pay rise or they asked to unionize and to stop them from doing it they said we'll give you a shiny trophy and those thick pretty people went okay and they held the first ones at that um that that hotel that's over the road from the chinese theater roosevelt the roosevelt was where the first osc were held in the morning. Do you know when the first Oscar ceremony was?

It would have been... Look, so when did... It was during talkies. And so Howard Hughes started making all those big movies that involved like... There were big airplane... What about... I think it was then. Okay. It was then okay Howard Hughes

pre-growing his fingernails and pissing in jars what film won best picture what film won best picture Toro Toro Toro are you sure that's not your order at Sugarfish Toro Toro Toro is a big

movie it's an old film I thought you were just making shit up Is that your order at Sugarfish? I loved it. It's a great movie. Toro, Toro, Toro is a big movie. It's an old film. I thought you were just making shit up. You never heard of that film? No, I thought you were just making it up. It's Pearl Harbor. Yeah. It's Pearl Harbor, the movie, but it's Toro, Toro, Toro.

It's an old, old film. What was the first color film? Okay, so there's an argument for The Wizard of Oz because I assume it's not, but I'm going to say The Wizard of Oz because my parents and every old person, when you watch The Wizard of Oz and they go from black and white into colour, they still freak out. The elderly still go, it was magical.

You were watching the screen and then all of a sudden everything just was just color vibrant they must have loved the outdoors those people they must have just been walking around outside like this fuck me who is dw griffith the first person to make movies okay in what u.s city did the movie industry begin okay you're gonna you're gonna say, well, I'm going to say it's Los Angeles, but then I'm going to say it's, okay. So Los Angeles was picked as the movie destination of the world because of, if you've ever been on set,

you've probably heard this stereotype, we're losing light. We're losing light. Weather is very important to cinema, right? And it never rains here even though we've just been through two weeks of rain but it never it's probably the the least rainy one of the least rainy places in america if not the world right is and and you can drive and this is before la traffic right this is back you can drive back in the day you would have been able to drive 40 minutes in that direction and you'd be in the snow.

Okay. And 20 minutes in that direction, you'd be in the fucking desert. So LA was the perfect place to make cinema. Okay, two more questions here. In 1896, this film caused an uproar by showing what act? What's the film? You've got to tell me the film. In 1896, this film, that's what you've got to tell me, caused... Oh, wait.

What is the film? Well, I can't say the name of the film. Okay, give me the year again. What's the act? Give me the year. I'll tell you that. 1896. It's two answers.

Sorry. All right. So 1896. 1896, this film. So I reckon I'm far out of my first movie cover. It's named after the act. Oh, Deep Throat. Deep Throat.

Okay. That's the peep show last question watch deep throat from beginning to end no no it's not good that last question shock last question she has like a clitoris at the back of her throat the only way she can orgasm is by what getting addicted to the back of her throat yeah it's terrible 1896 doctor tells me good god last last question who or what is topsy uh um uh turby's older brother turby topsy turby topsy topsy yeah topsy topsy topsy was uh okay topsy was like a famous um silent film actress that when it became the talkies

it turned out she had a voice like this and they were like she was the biggest sex symbol in the world and they were like we can't use her anymore she's fucking hopeless

alright John we'll do a thing where she has a clitoris at the back of her throat so she won't talk for a quarter of the movie alright John how did Jim do

in his knowledge of movie history because you're the 10s the best? I'm going to give him some good points. There's some good stuff in there. I'm going to go ahead and say it's probably like a solid 7. Wow. Nice.

I like movies. Yeah, it's very good. How do you do on confidence, Jack? 7. He had some really confident answers, but he kept going back on answers. 14, yeah. I'm not that hungry. I'm about a 5, so I'll go 19 19 because I know you want Oscar style on your steak.

You like that. I like all the three Oscars that you offered up there. I know, but you really like the Oscar. There's things I know for sure. I'll never win an Oscar for acting. I'm too old now to ever get. There's no momentum that I can get to that stage right away. So that's never going to happen.

Unless you shock people. One movie. I could do a documentary. Supporting, supporting. I could be in a documentary. What's his name? He's old and he's getting awards did sarah silverman get nominated for maestro no because i thought i thought because she plays his brother

her sister yes well hey her story um and uh yeah so i thought what's what's his name what i'm saying is that sarah silverman doesn't get nominated i'll never get nominated in england what's his name what I'm saying is if Sarah Silverman doesn't get nominated I'll never get nominated in England what's his name your friend

I got a mate I got a mate this is the fucking best story whenever I tell this this warms my heart this story I have a friend

a friend called Dave Johns he's a good mate of mine Dave is about 15 years older than me maybe a bit more right so Dave

comedian stand up comedian he was one of the first comedians and I did like gigs in Dubai with him and Dave is about 15 years older than me, maybe a bit more, right? So Dave... Comedian. Stand-up comedian. He was one of the first comedians, and I did, like, gigs in Dubai with him. I went through Asia with Dave, and he's just one of those older blokes on the scene that, as a young bloke, you know, I just loved hanging out with him and hearing his old comedy stories and stuff like that. And he was all but given up stand-up up and he moved back to newcastle lake

you're not in the north of england right and dave dave speaks like this all the time so so dave dave was saying to me he was i'm gonna give up stand-up comedy lake and give donkey rides on the beach like that's that's when you know that's when you know life's gone to shit like fucking hell dave's giving donkey rides dave's very funny comment anyway um uh so so what happened with dave was they wanted a part for a movie called i daniel johns have you ever seen the movie i daniel johns no it won the bafta for he won the bafta acting in it and uh it won the Palme d'Or award. Wow. Now, it never really made it in America because the whole movie is about a guy

who they cut off his welfare check and he's dying but he can't work because he's got a bad ticker and he's a carpenter and he wants to get back to work but the government won't believe him. They've cut off his welfare. And the movie didn't work in America because you don't have welfare. Because you just know that people have been like, as soon as he went, oh, the government's not giving me any more money. Boo!

Get a job. Get a job. Pull yourself up by, yeah. What was it called again? I, Daniel, I, I, Daniel Blake. I, Daniel Blake. I, Daniel Blake. I watched it on a Delta flight one time, so it might, I don't know,

you might be able to find it on a Delta. All right, so there's't know, you might be able to find it on there. All right, so there's the post. Put it up, I, Daniel Blake. Yeah. Right? Yeah, so it's on the screen. No, this is when we're being posted, right? So Dave, who had done a little bit of acting,

he'd done a small bit of acting. He had about three lines in Cuckoo's Nest on the stage production, and Christian Slater was the lead who played the Jack Nicholson character in the West End. And Dave played the mad guy who was strapped to radio and who went, bastard, like that every now and again, right? That was all he did.

And so Dave auditions for this role, gets the main part, then goes on to win the BAFTA. The movie wins the Palme d'Or. Dave's story is more inspirational than the fucking movie now Dave is a bonafide fucking movie star and he can't do enough films and I couldn't be more proud of him he's one of the nicest men on earth but one time one time uh before this happened me and Forrest were in the airport we're standing behind Christian Slater to check in our bags yep Lana Red eye yeah and I remember nobody else there because Dave Dave became friends with Christian Slater like this right and he was like and he's like sometimes Dave would be like

I gotta leave the gig late because I'm gonna meet Christian Slater I gotta go meet he'd say it quite loud all alright Dave so I'm off to see Christian Slater then so anyway so he'd be going it was literally me Jim and Christian Slater everyone else had checked in everyone else had checked in

we were standing there and so I went I went that's Christian Slater I said I have a friend who claims to know like I could it was a big risk

yeah Dave could have been bullshitting right so I was like I'll get it. And I went, hi, Christian. And he did his Jack Nicholson. Hey.

Hey. And I just went, I went, I'm friends with Dave Johns. And he fucking Christian Slater lit up. His whole face lit up. He went, I love Dave Johns. Dave Johns. I won't do the voice anymore. I'm going back to my own voice.

And we were going through TSA and I don't know just something in TSA happened and to both both like all three of us and so he kind of looked at us like oh TSA huh and I was like yeah

and then something else happened at the ticket counter and we're like oh flying huh and I was like I think we're friends with Christian Slater now and then he got in the plane and he walked right by us

and I went the way of his no longer friends our friendship was over I was like we're in we're cool with're in i know he was going to his wife's high school reunion yeah yeah he may not have been up for it girlfriend or wife yeah yeah yeah he was going to that because like when you're a famous movie star and you got to go to your you know because your girlfriend was also sitting in the back of the planes it was last minute like i'm assuming he would fly first class normally he had to go to the back of the plane until it was last minute. I'm assuming he would fly first class normally. He had to go to the back of the plane. I just got invited to my 30th year high school reunion

and I got sent an invite. Everyone looked dead nice. I'm on a page now with all the people I went to school and so I've started chatting to a few people that I haven't seen in 30 years. It's been quite nice. But there's something that's... Because everyone's putting up photos

of the last high school reunion from 20 years ago i wasn't invited to that it's not like i'm not an easy guy to find maybe i don't think you had an assistant back then yeah true that and i think you probably got emails and i don't open 90 of the emails um all right let's start talking to john here what no we're good what led to the development of motion pictures? Jim said the development of the camera. Blokes that play piano. That's true. I mean, that's true.

That is true. That is not... That's why you got points for that. But the story is that there is a bet, a $25,000 bet. Leland Stanford. What? Back in the 1800s? In the 1800s?

$25,000. $25,000 bet. That's like $2 million. Absolutely. Right? Yeah. So Leland Stanford, land baron, railroad baron, governor of California, he claims that he sees a horse running at full speed and it looks like it's floating.

The hooves leave the ground. Yeah. So he wants to prove it. That's the bet, right? He wants to prove it. So they make this $25,000 bet. And then he meets meets a few years later he meets this dude named Edward Muybridge who's a British guy photographer and he has this idea

that if you take a bunch of cameras and put them alongside the horse track about 12 to 24 cameras and they put a trigger like a wire across the the track when the horse runs through the track it's going to trigger each camera so in succession you're going to get a bunch of photographs and so i was pulling that you got it would mean smoke coming up exactly yeah right exactly right so in 1878 a lot of you know they did it a little bit earlier than that but in 1878 they did it in front of journalists and they get these pictures and they get the one image of the horse with its hooves off the ground and edward mybridge starts taking this around the world showing that he can capture motion he can capture essentially animal motion and then later

he started taking like pictures of himself like swinging a hammer but he was like naked he's like a really weird dude and so so he would put these on a poster of like a poster board and so he would go around and like you know rent a space and put up these these these photographs to show that there was a way to capture motion but there was no way to play it back yet so had we had i used to love as a kid when you get those little cartoon flicker books and you went. Right, right. Or if you did it yourself with a stick. That's exactly, yeah.

Had people already started doing that? So there were, there were of course, yeah, there were, there were animated things. You could draw the zoetrope, right? There's a thing you can spin and you can look through the little slits and you can, it looks like it recreates motion or animation, if you will. But the idea of an actual live action photograph being captured wasn't until this idea came so they called it they called it serial photography did he win the bet yeah but the story the story wasn't really there's a photo you can you can get a photo of me running

where i'm flying yeah right yeah you know what i mean that's just movement right right but it's just it's just the idea that that they captured it without the hooves on you know what I mean that's just movement right right but it's just it's just the idea that they captured it without the hooves you know one hoof not on the ground but the story is that you know they had to build these cameras

they didn't they didn't just go to Best Buy and buy them you know they had to get him jumping over a fence and after that

he went all the way up that was in the 1870s 1870s yeah 1878 and so then they made the camera for that. But that wasn't a video camera. It wasn't a film camera. That's what led to the development.

What movie did I say? Well, the next question is, when was the first motion picture camera invented? This is what led to it. Right. You said 1896 by Paul Hogan. That was a very good guess. It was a great guess.

Not Crocodile Island. They're a different Paul Hogan. He thought he was floating. He thought the crocodiles are that's not a floating horse all right so uh 1891 it's called the kinetograph it's the first in america it's the first motion picture camera and people like this can i get a graph nobody said that and it was edison thomas edison is credited with it really really his employee right but the story is that edison met this my bridge dude in new jersey where they were

looking at the the pictures he was looking at the pictures right he's like you got it yeah some jersey fuck i'm set with the camera Yeah, so then they had the idea for how do you capture motion? How do you take enough pictures fast enough? And so he made his employee, this guy named W.K.L. Dixon, come up with the idea of it. But Edison gets credit. Yeah, of course. It's like Apple, man.

It's like Steve Jobs and you know who really made the iPod. What do you think those accents came in? I just thought about that. The New Jersey, New York, Boston accent Those weren't always like that Well it's like So you got Hey what's going on?

The Beatles have an accent A Liverpoolian accent That no longer exists It only exists in people over 60 Really? Yeah because Because the Scouse accent now Was a lot more fucking chippy

And a lot more fucking Alright alright Calm down What are you doing? And their one was a lot more You alright, alright, calm down. What are you doing? And their one was a lot more, you know, just measured and down and just like this. We're going to go on the bus.

But how does that happen, do you think? That just occurred to me when he said that. I'm like, well, that's not what New Jersey sounded back then, but at some point people from New Jersey... When did we lose people who speak like this? When did those people stop existing? Well, that was our first accent.

Well, I don't know about that. I think there'd be people who talk like this all the time, Jack. That was just for the radio. Oh, no, no, no. So they've sounded clear. I tell you what, though. I do have a game show voice that's ever so slightly different. For the Marvers Nightclub, you.

I go, and now for the 50% question. You did do that. You did do that. When did people begin watching screened entertainment? Jim said 1908. 1908. Great guess. So I'm counting this weird thing,

so this idea that people would go into a theater, not... What was the Paul Hogan answer? What year was that? How far out was I? Oh, I'm sorry. What was the year for... It was 1891. Oh're pretty much 1896. yeah very close yeah very good but this make is inventing something and then there's perfecting something were they in the shops because because because because like time travel has already been it's in my garage

but i haven't got a commercial. Yeah, just personal. Yeah, and I've only got one machine. I need two machines. Oh, it's a transporter. It's broken right now, though. I've got a transporter machine, but I've only built the one. It's like the movie The Fly, but I've only got the one.

And other people have to have them in their houses. It's like the guy with the first fax machine. It's like the guy who got the first fax machine. So the first fax machine, that cunt would have just been feeding paper through. He's just waiting forever. Did you get a fax machine yet? Nah. Yeah, yeah. And then he'd be saying things to his friends.

He's like, you know when you have to wait and you hear this noise? And everyone's like, what the fuck are you talking about? What's that paper? They only use it at airports so yeah i want it i want yeah i want i want to have paper in the machine that's like toilet paper but it's thinner and it's a big real and it's wider than toilet paper it's thinner and then at the end put a big pink stripe so you know it's almost over uh so when do people begin watching screen entertainment um so really the idea of it is like um they would watch people would pay to see essentially slide shows in the 1700s oh yeah with a device called a magic lantern which is like uh like those glasses you have where you go like that that way not really no but that's a good one

idea uh what is the disc in. What is that? I forget what that's called. The viewer. View master. View master, right. So they would pay, go into a dark theater. This guy would travel around town with this projector that used candlelight.

And it was like a backwards telescope. And they would watch glass slides like painted glass slides you know about like this large and they would have like a little rudimentary animation and the guy would stand there and just tell the story as it's going and i think there is in portland there's still like a magic lantern uh museum and they you know they display that stuff so so people the idea of people audiences going into a theater watching this projected image was around since the 1750s is what they say, in America at least. And then when the movies came, that's why I gave him points. You were absolutely right with the one.

You would just watch it in this booth, this one little booth. And then it wasn't until about the the train guys the guys who made the trains in 1895 they found a way to project motion picture onto a group of people could watch it so a group of yeah you got it exactly when was uh nanook nanooks 1920 1920 something and it's fake it's all faked it was all oh really it's credited as the first documentary feature documentary Robert Flaherty did it and then turned out I think one of the stories is he like had a miss he was going up north all the time he had like a mistress like he was sleeping I gotta go I gotta go back up and do the documentary he was like having an affair with somebody and it turned out to be all fake but they didn't discover it's like i think the 50s back

in the days that you could have an affair very easily yeah now it's very easy to get into an affair yeah but it's very hard to keep one in social media back in the day you just go all right how do you have to work for three weeks and And then you call from a pay phone once a month or something. Remember that Charles Kuralt, that show on the road, Charles Kuralt? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he had like a second family, third family. Oh, Charles Kuralt, that? Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know. There was a comedian. I'm not going to say his name because it's his story to tell. But the comedian in Britain, and everyone knows who this comic is, but he had a family in London, right? This is before social media. He had a family in London, right? This is before social media. He had a family in London and a family in Liverpool. So he had one up north and one down south, right?

Like kids that were the same age and all that shit. That's exhausting. And he had, in Birmingham's the middle of the country, he had a storage unit that he used to stop off to put all of his fucking like different baby seat and stuff like that like to change out all the stuff in the car and different clothes and things so he used to and he was doing

cocaine off CD cases as he was going up the fucking M6 or the M1 he said it was a very stressful time no kidding and so he would say he'd do two weeks up north worth of gigs and then he'd do two weeks down south, and he'd split his life and then go to the-

He must have called the wrong name once in a while. The wife or the kids. Well, they both found out. They found out. They met each other, and one of them just went, oh, I'll still have you. Wow. That's a charming man.

Wow, that's been really funny. Yeah, that's a guy with a good sense of humor. When did the development of sound recording come about in relation to movies? Jim said 1920s, called the talkies. Yeah, he's right. 1920s is correct. It was between two different companies. It was recording sound on a disc or recording sound on a film.

So the first movie, feature film, 1927, The Jazz Singer. I didn't know that. Yeah. And it was improvised. That's why it was just meant to be songs originally. The year before, Warner Brothers had a movie called Don Juan, which was sound effects synchronized and music synchronized, but no talking. And they'd still use the cards that had the-

So there's no script. They just- Well, so what happened in the jazz singer was they were just going to try synchronizing his singing he was a you know an actual jazz singer so they were going to synchronize his actual singing but then he started improvising like talking in between the songs and it wasn't really mic'd up but they just left it in the movie so they called it a you know he started talking so from the talkies to the wizard of oz the wizard of oz is 1939 30 late 30 okay yeah right so from that man 1939 there was a whole heap gone with the wind was another film 1939 yeah yeah so that was like a pivotal moment in

cinematic history yeah absolutely so so from the 1920s to then so let's say a 15 year gap yeah this everything happens we go from black and white to color to to voice to to this i don't know about color when was color we well i've just said the wizard of oz there's color we can jump ahead is that when the color was well so actually there were there's two different processes or processes of technicolor which was one where they used to paint the film right well so so there was there they did do that and they were doing that actually in the 1910s they would paint frames of the film but it was very rudimentary but then Technicolor came up with something called to strip process which means it took two different colors of film and would merge them together

inside the camera and it would create a very kind of a muted color but that was actually around the night like sepia, but even more like the greens aren't really green, the reds aren't really red, but they're there. They exist, but it's mostly red and green. And actually- That was when you were saying? That was around the 1920s. It was called the Toll of the Sea.

But the first three strip, the way we think of color nowadays, was in the early 1930s. It was actually a Walt Disney cartoon called Silly Symphonies. And it was three strip Technicolor. But the first feature film that had three strip Technicolor was called Becky Sharp. Came out in like 1932. She had a clitoris at the back of her throat. And what were you saying?

So 15 years. So 15 years, everything happens, right? Everything happens. And now since from 1939 to here, what have you saying? So 15 years. So 15 years, everything happens, right? Everything happens. And now since from 1939 to here, what have we done? We've done a little bit. Special effects. No, no, no. Special effects.

But like I'm just saying to the techno. So we've got IMAX, which by the way, used to mean something. IMAX in the day used to mean you went to a big cinema. There you go. That's true. It's LIMAX. They call it LIMAX. LIMAX.

There's only like two actual IMAX theaters in Los Angeles. It used to mean you went to a big cinema yeah you go that's true they call it limax yeah that's right there's only like two actual imax theaters it used to be real fucking thing there's all these different kinds too right there's like imax something imax another like i don't even know there's but my point is that everything in the creative arts that involves technology or whatever you have this big lot of invention that goes and then we stop for a while and then we dick around with it curved tvs remember that shit right no one wants a 3d 3d tv at home no one wants it right no one wants it we all we all go so so music for example so from 1964 from beetle mania to 1970 uh start of disco and all that stuff we created so many music genres in that 16 years. It's until 1979, right? In those 16 years, we went from the Beatles wanting to hold your hand

to Black Sabbath, right? And we invented disco with synthesizers, rap music, all these different heavy metal. Everything happened in that time. And what's happened in the last 16 years of music? Nothing. Nothing. A song from 2009 to now doesn't fucking, there's no difference.

You just don't listen to new music, though. Yeah, but there's nothing new. There might be new, there's no new instruments coming in. There's no new sounds. Once we built the synthesizer we just did what I'm saying with movies is from the moment we really

got to like I don't know I guess the special effects have improved lighting's completely changed technology I would get rid of CGI now

no CGI get fucking rid of it what else has improved John? well I mean just the fact that we're shooting everything digitally is a pretty amazing thing I mean access I good i like the old cutting with the guy the supply

george lazenby played my father in in in in a sitcom and uh george who was james bond so james but so so we were on set and it was the first time he'd been on set for maybe 20 years like he hadn't been on anything and and and he turns to me they go let's do it again let's do it again let's do it again and he turns me goes surely they've run out of film by now that's awesome that is crazy I had to tell fucking James Bond, I got to, no, it's just digital. There's no film in there. I was early on in the-

Bluey's Bond. That was 2012. Like the Marvel movies, Robert Downey Jr. was complaining because it's like back when you're doing film, there was more time in between takes so you could like re-prepare. And now they're like, go again.

We're not even going to cut. Just go back to the beginning. And he's like like the whole acting side has changed because you can just keep going and going and going I never acted on film

they never so I don't know how that is but I like as many takes as you want I have a problem with the movie

and film industry right this is my problem right this one problem this is your whole act right I have problems

with everything right but what I have problems with everything, right? But what I don't like is when everyone's set for a film, they take 40, 50 minutes to fucking set the cameras and the lights up, which, of course, that's what it takes to do. That's what it takes to do. But then I get on there and I fluff one line, and they're like, come on! We're losing the upload!

Isn't this the important bit? Yeah. And then I do two takes. All right, we've got it. I'd like to have one more. No, we've got it. I know you've talked about this too. Also leading up to it, it's like we have an idea.

Then we have a treatment. Then we have a script. Oh, yeah. And it takes like a year. Yeah. And then right when you get to the castle let's go i've been in pre-production for a movie since mid-covered yeah i'm not kidding where i still take meetings every now and again about this movie they could say tomorrow we're shooting it next week and if they

and if they go all right let's go we'll cast it in two days the most important bit yeah it is like i watch my wife does so many auditions and i'm just like i just like this is she'll get a phone call at like 5 p.m due tomorrow isn't this important yeah isn't this an important bit the actors isn't that the thing yeah so steve momentum's a big deal in hollywood yeah you don't want to lose momentum if you if projects because i had a sitcom and then covert happens and then an executive leaves and i think and they were all hot on this thing and then it just goes away so i understand why you said yeah oh we built universal studios wow completely six days out from filming oh my it was cast i sat when they did the table read right there. Anthony LaPaglia was playing me dead. Betsy Brandt. Oh, wow. Yeah.

It was really sad. Never happened. Anyways. I dropped off a comic at Anthony LaPaglia's house. A comic? Yeah. You know Wayne Deacon? Wayne Deacon's mates with Anthony.

Yeah. Deeks was living with, Deeks was living at Anthony's house for a while. Yeah. Deeks is an Australian fella. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, how did you drop him off? I was working with Ian Bagg, and he asked me if I could give him a ride to LA,

and I go, yeah, man. So I dropped off at Anthony LaPaglia's house. That's hilarious. Yeah, that's all coming together. Pags was meant to see me the other day in the casino out in Fantasy Springs. He rings me up and goes, can I have tickets for this gig? He contacts me, and I went, for sure. And then I sorted it out, and him and his wife were coming,

and I'm backstage, and I thought he might be in the audience, and I text him, I said, hey, Anthony. I said, hey, Anthony, why don't you come backstage? And he goes, the gig's, your show's not till Saturday. And I went, Saturday? It's not like you don't have people going, I thought it was tomorrow. He's like, it's not Saturday, is it?

I rang him up. I rang him up. He goes, it's not Saturday. And he goes, let me. Oh, it's Saturday. I don't know what was happening with Anthony that weekend, but he hadn't gone to the show. I've done stuff like that.

Yeah, but you're not a famous actor. Yeah, that's true. I'm not a famous actor. At your murder mystery party I was. Me and Anthony, because he was going to play my dad, and he's only like 10 years older than me, but, you know, for the sake of cinema. And we started hanging out together

and just getting high over at my house all the time during the end of COVID to build up our father-son rapport. Classic father-son energy. Our father-son rapport, yeah. Did you know he was Australian? Not until I dropped that game off. I had no idea. Because when he told me he was playing his dad, I'm like,

can he do an Australian accent? You're like, he's from Adelaide, right? Yeah, he's from Adelaide. His brother hosts Australian Survivor. Oh, wow. And he looks like Anthony, but he's jacked. Yeah, Anthony LePaglia's brother.

It's just like Anthony, but he's like really jacked. What were we talking about? Oh, advances of digital and... Yeah, digital's a major advance, I think, and then, you know, the idea of, you know, they're trying to make everything like experiential. There we go, just show it. There's Anthony LePaglia. That's hilarious. Holy shit. I think and then you know the idea of you know, they're trying to make everything like experience

That's hilarious Why were the movies called peep shows did we say talk are you saying with your peeps? He was right. He was right though in the sense that they were called peep shows because they had the device called the kinetoscope which Edison created as well where you could watch one movie one person at a time and they had the goggles on them and you had to go and kneel down and they would sometimes have headphones little you know earbuds and you would watch it one time one person at a time why kneel down They couldn't just build the stand. Well, it was hot.

We didn't have the technology. They did have to bend over. Yeah, it was weird. It was like, only go up to their waist. I guess for kids it was better or whatever. I guess, yeah. It's easier to have a wank on your knees. And then they would be-

Nothing buckles. It would be pornography eventually. Sometimes it would be like erotic films, and people would be watching this while they're waiting for a train. Or just a woman showing her ankles. Ankles, yeah. I remember in film school we learned

at every step of film development, porn was always there. Almost sometimes pushing the medium to something else. To have porn, it pushes... Okay, so we don't have good virtual reality movies. I haven't nailed it except for porn. The other ones where they're like,

you can watch sport like this. Have you ever done that? Where you're like, you'll be in the stadium and you're like, this is shit. That seems terrible. And then you put the porn on, you're like, good job, porn. Figured it out.

What is the first film produced with a motion picture camera? Jim said the train one. Close. No, it was, it's 1891. And it's called The Greeting. It's by greeting it's by wkl dixon it's three seconds long just as he's just him taking his hat and just it was a vine yeah just switching it to his other hand but they do they do believe there was a british film a film that came out one year

before it that's kind of like lost it's called round hate garden and the filmmaker who made it his name is uh louis le prince and he had a design for another camera and the story is that he was in new york new jersey area he had like you know that it's like like kind of like that movie the prestige spies spy you know people edison might have been spying on him and so this guy went back to europe and eng. He filmed that film, and he was going to come to America with his blueprints for this camera, bring the camera, and try to get investors to invest in his camera. Guy disappeared. Never found him. Never found his body.

Wow. His son, his adult son, went like a couple days ahead, waited for him, never found him. Edison killed him. He was surrounded by Edison's balls. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying him. He was surrounded by Edison's balls. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. But that is one of the things.

A lot of people don't know how- Edison got one of these guys. Yeah. So a lot of people don't know how deep Edison was in the film. I mean, he essentially helped create the idea of the film industry. He would put these movies in those boxes, those kinetoscopes. They'd lock them up. And then you would have to, if you had a storefront, you'd have to rent each one, those kinetoscopes. They'd lock them up, and then you would have to,

if you had a storefront, you'd have to rent each one of those kinetoscopes, and then you'd send them back. He wouldn't send you the film. He'd just make you send another device, another booth. And, you know, he would sometimes put, like, they'd put, like, boxing matches. They'd put, like, one round on each machine.

So if you want to watch the whole fight, you'd have to pay like a penny and a nickel to watch each. You know what I mean? So he's really deep into making that money. The movie's always... Okay, so let's just jump forward a little bit with cinema. Okay, so you had that era of film where they were just like Elvis movies. Yeah.

Elvis movie. Same fucking movie every time right sings four songs what's the name and annette berticello whatever you know yeah fun to cello and yeah she was always doing things then you got doris day and rock hudson doing the same movie you got bloody shirley temple doing the same movie every single time mark's brothers when i was a kid i was like why do they keep making the same fucking movie yeah and it's because it was in the cinema for a month and then it was gone yeah what they believed forever forever right they believe forever so i was like everyone just went to the movies to see their movie and then there's the thing and oh yeah you knew what you were getting from an

elvis movie and you know what you're getting from a thing and then when video came out right and they started like like like people had forgot that, like, Shirley Temple existed. They put her on TV as, like, a 70-year-old woman because all their videos were something. There must have been filmmakers that were like, oh, God, I made a lot of shit that I only wanted to come out for a month. I've got, like, work in my career that I'm like, ah. Yeah.

What are you doing? But it was like, you know, it's like YouTube now, now right you could just put out shit it's so disposable that's what it was like in the 1900s they would put out like studio would put out a movie like every week when i say a movie like 10 minutes you know 10 minutes long but they would just put it out every week and people just fucking learning how to make movies they'd make mistakes they didn't give a shit they were just putting it out and people loved it because they had no idea what it was. But the first few movies,

like, so you're saying the train movie, right? So that was by the Lumiere brothers. You were pretty close. It was like 1895, 96 that came out. And they just did

that kind of stuff. They would just film just real life. Like one of their first films is Workers Leaving Their Factory. That's what it's called. Workers Leaving Their Factory. Riveting. Yeah. So they're called actualities and just for a while people were like this is bullshit you know for about seven years they were just like this is dumb

this is stupid i'm gonna i'm gonna say something really stupid before that we obviously had the radio right so you're calling these actualities did we have audio documentaries or are they what you call books you know what i mean right was that i don't know i would think no because i remember when books on well maybe even audio came out people are like that was a new thing okay so awesome wills war of the worlds people believed it right because there was a radio announcement they thought the aliens were coming all that type of stuff right so did they ever have like on the radio just oh now we're going i guess npr is the audio documentary isn't it some of them yeah some had like sitcoms on the radio oh i would love to be in one of those sitcoms someone's coming to the house he's got a metal leg all right who who or what is the black mariah jim said mickey rooney playing an Asian guy in Breakfast at Tiffany's.

That was very good. That was a great guess. That was a good guess. That was the name of Edison's studio. So you need a lot of light to make movies, right? So at the time, they didn't have those huge lights like even you have here. And so the Black Mariah was a studio that had a retractable roof to let as much sunlight in.

And it was built on a huge disc, and every hour somebody would go out and spin. What? They'd spin the studio so that it would move with the sun throughout the day. That's cool. Yeah. So Edison, they were just churning out those movies right away.

They were just one shot, no editing. So you want the sun because that's lighting and we didn't have the lighting. That's right. Do they still have the black curtain that goes over your head as you film it? No, for the Kinetto graph, they didn't. They actually just, it was just sealed.

And so it's just a giant box. Maybe, you know, I would say like, you know, maybe three feet. Yeah, no, like maybe two feet by three feet. It was a huge box and they just kind of pointed it in a direction. It was a huge box, and they just kind of pointed it in a direction. There was no way to really look through it.

They just kind of pointed it, and they would just film. And it would be like dudes hammering something, blacksmiths drinking a beer, and then they would just develop it. Right. Okay, so when the camera comes out and they're starting to talk about doing real movies with real actors, was there pushback from the acting community that that is a shit profession, that our job is done on the stage in front of people?

Yeah. Similar to when movie stars never did TV, right? Right. Yeah, movie stars never did TV. And now even like TV and movie stars, you still don't want to do sort of webisode-y type thing. There's still like a stigma there type of thing so is that something absolutely so so for the excuse me for the first movies the movie star question studios never named the actors they never put their names

in the credits it was always just the name of the studio and it wasn't until about 1909 that one studio put out the name of the actress. And that's why they kind of consider this woman, her name is Florence Lawrence. And they consider her the first movie star because they actually used her name on a marquee to sell it. And she was known... Google Florence Lawrence for me, please. Yeah, so she was called the Biograph Girl. And she worked for this company called Biograph, which was a competitor with Edison's film company really yeah yeah she's Canadian right she had a chin you could tit fuck

so she became really famous as the Biograph Girl people liked her and they you know called her Biograph Girl and then the guy who started Universal his name's Carl Lemley he started a company called Imp and her contract was ending with Biograph. He signs her and says, hey, I'm going to use your name. This is a way to get her to sign with him. I'm going to use your name. He's a small company. And then he puts out a news story that says the Biograph girl got killed in a car, pedestrian train accident in New York City.

And a couple months later, he puts out an article that says, I don't know who that but this she's in her Florence Lawrence is her name and she's going to be in this new movie called The Broken Oath oh he did both those on purpose yeah he did them both on purpose so people go like oh hey yeah you know yeah exactly man so so people go see her you know so did you do your Malta article yeah well I I think with the credits okay I'm in two minds about the credits because you know whenever I've done something, I always like to see me name in the credits. You know, I enjoyed it. But I think it's the only industry that we have to credit everyone constantly.

Right, right. If you get a car, you don't get told that Frank did the leather in the seats and Sarah did the wheels and this person. In movies, you're watching it and you're like, if you get a can of cup of coffee, and this person. In movies, you're watching it, and you're like, if you get a can of cup of coffee, you're on. You know what I mean? And people think that's mean for me to say that people should get credit. But everyone sitting at home or in your car right now,

think about your job. At the end of the day, do you get credit? And by the way, only in this city, when you watch movies in watch movies in la most of the theater stays in their seats for the credits like when you're in like iowa everyone just gets on me it's the only city where everyone's sitting there like i gotta see my friend's name or my name or yeah yeah whatever like in every other city but like get the fuck out of here and i uh yeah you'd be a grip yeah um so first movie star was florence florence yeah florence and why were the oscars started jim said to stop that nailed it he's He'd be a grip. Yeah. So first movie star was Florence Lawrence. Florence Lawrence, yeah.

Florence Lawrence. And why were the Oscars started? Jim said to stop the actors unionizing. Nailed it. Totally nailed it. Louis B. Mayer, there was the stop unionization. And I think his quote is something like, the best way to deal with actors and filmmakers is to hang a medal on them.

And so he came up with that idea. The Academy Awards were, the first one was 1929, you're right, Hotel Roosevelt, right? And it was 15 minutes long. And I think, it was 15 minutes long and, Bob Hope hosted it.

No, it was Douglas Fairbanks. Douglas Fairbanks hosted it. And the best picture of that one was? It's called Wings. It's called Wings. It's called Wings, and it's like a World War I drama. I knew it was an airplane-y type thing. That's why I went for Tour de Tour. I knew it was a dogfight-y airplane.

It is an airplane movie. But at that time, they also did something called Unique and Artistic Pictures. That was another category. And the movie was called Sunrise, like a tale of two humans a tale of two something and that one as well but they got rid of it like the next year and there's no there's no like i don't think there's any records of this like no recording there was no it was uh 1929 and 15

minutes so they didn't do best actor or anything they did they did they did but people knew people knew a few months in advance yeah okay, okay. There's a currency award. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no like, yeah. And the first color film, we already did that as well. I forget what that was now. Why were they called the Oscars? So the rumor is that, so they made the statue, again,

to try to make it seem like they were getting something. And so there's three stories on it, but the most popular story is that the academy librarian said it looked like her uncle Oscar. So they just called it the Oscar. The other story is that Betty Davis said it looked like the ass of her husband at the time, who was also named something, Oscar. And then the third story is, I don't remember what the third story is. Crab meat.

Yeah, crab meat. Who is D.W. Griffith? What did you say? Jim said the first person to make movies now it's close though no not really but uh he's a guy who did birth of a nation oh i know birth of a nation okay so birth of a nation was a klu klux klan movie that's right that went on uh it was like like when you want to talk about extras, I can't tell you how many times I've watched this film. When you, where did I saw a documentary about this? Was it a documentary, the film? No.

No, no, I saw a documentary that was. Oh, it's a film about the Ku Klux Klan. But people believed it was a documentary. Got it. It had, it's cinematic in scope. It's a Blair Witch Project kind of thing. Extras on top of extras. That's right.

Thousands of extras. Huge war scenes, battle extras. Huge war scenes. Huge battle scenes. And the heroes, the clan people. And this is back when being a member of the clan was like being a member of your Rotary Club. You know what I mean? Like it was the thing to do. It wasn't frowned upon by most people. But what people don't really associate with him is that he essentially created the length of the movies to be longer. So up until then, movies were about 12 minutes.

They called them one-reeler, because one reel of film was 12 minutes. So you might get a two-reeler movie, which is like 24 minutes long, and then it progressed to like 40 minutes, right? So you had like Buster Keaton movies, that'd be like 45 minutes long, and that was it, right? Buster Keaton, man, that guy. It's the best he's fantastic over chat like him hanging from clocks and shit like that and the one where he just gets in the back of the car and he grabs it in full

motion and he jumps on the back yeah that's not slowed down that's not sped up right it's insane yeah he's amazing he's amazing i'll name i'll name should do an episode on Buster Keaton. Yeah, I'll name drop something. So, Carrie Fisher, I was working with Carrie Fisher. Same sitcom, my only job, right? So, Carrie Fisher said that her mother used to take her over for Sunday, like, high tea at fucking Buster Keaton's house when she was a kid. That's cool. That's awesome.

Yeah. Oh, so you're saying so they got longer, the Birth of a Nation. So Birth of a Nation is three hours long, right? Jesus. Real long. Very long.

So up until then- They had to make the point, Jack. It's a very nuanced opinion. Up until then, movies were like maybe the most an hour. And it's actually an Australian movie

that some people consider the first hour-long movie about the outlaws, like the Kelly brothers. It's called a movie called Finding a Stick. Oh, so you're talking about Ned Kelly, the movie. Okay, so the original Ned Kelly, the movie, and there's been several Ned Kellys. We've had a Heath Ledger version of it.

Right, who's Ned Kelly? Ned Kelly is Australia's Billy the Kid, if you will. He's an outlaw, but he put a steel trash can on his head, and he cut the eyes out. Google Ned Kelly. And this was the longest movie before Birth of a Nation. Right, until Birth of a Nation, right. So this was the first movie.

This was a big movie in Australia. The next Ned Kelly movie, who played Ned Kelly in the next movie? Oh, boy, I don't know. This is very interesting, because it was black and white film. Paul Hogan. Mick Jagger. Oh, wow.ick jagger in the 60s so 20 something year old mick jagger playing and so uh the saying such is life comes from from ned kelly it was the thing that he said just before they hung him you got anything to say and he said such is life oh wow right so ned kelly wore this

bin over his head with his eyes like that. And his first movie, this just shows how weird movies are, right? His metal pads and his metal chest plate and the bin over his head, like so he could get shot and all that type of stuff, right? That was all in a museum, right, that you could go see, somewhere in Melbourne or something. And then the filmmakers go, we're going to want to make a movie of the Ned Kelly.

And they used the stuff from the museum. They didn't even recreate it. The stuff you see in that movie is the actual armor that Ned Kelly wore. And he'd been dead for a long time. They went, oh, you can have it. It's just gaining dust over here. Yeah, so D.W. Griff Griffith super long movie and it was like back then

it wasn't like you'd make like a thousand prints of a movie they would take it town to town and became like this event and so people wanted to see it and a lot of people didn't know at that time they

also the NAACP existed and protested the movie it's like 1915 they didn't thought it was too long yeah yeah yeah uh and so of course you know people are like hey you shouldn't go see this movie people were like i gotta go see this movie so it it became very popular made like 10 million dollars for that time yeah right the president at the time said it's the greatest yeah woodrow wilson yeah yeah it was the first it was the first movie screened at the White House.

And, yeah. Yeah. And what U.S. city did the movie business begin, Jim says LA? Very great guess. That's one of the reasons why they moved. It started in a town called Fort Lee, New Jersey. Jeez. Yeah, we're going to make some movies.

But one of the reasons why they left new jersey was because edison created this thing called the trust and it was essentially different companies involved in different parts of the film industry like uh kodak eastman i think you guys talked about that recently this guy who like anybody who had a patent on any element of filmmaking he formed a group called the trust and he would just start suing the shit out of all of these producers who were making films and he would say hey you have to license this from me to from all of us to make movies and so people would start buying cameras from overseas they'd start building their own cameras and they would hire the trust would hire

pinkerton detectives they'd go to their set they They'd bust up the cameras. They'd destroy the sets. So Edison's a piece of shit. I'm not saying that, but yeah. That's an asshole. People just... What's that? Electricity. You got to take the good with the bad, man.

That's true. Here we are talking to a fucking turd. No, but he probably didn't even invent it. He probably killed the guy who invented it. It's possible, right? So then everybody everybody just independent producers just said you know so that carl lemley that was a that was kind of a move to introduce a movie star was to directly attack uh the trust and say hey you know you guys don't really care about movies we're we're trying to get the actors on our side so actors will join us and make this you know kind of all the artists

will join together essentially and all these know kind of all the artists will join together essentially and all these producers just said hey man we're just leaving and but it was weather weather was a major factor of course and they all just they just said we want to get away from this this guy just spying on us and making us you know watching us make movies and so that's when there was this exodus probably around post 1915 there was this exodus to to uh to california right so the camera was invented where was in in europe the camera was the guy looking at his window somewhere in europe right it was like uh the france i think it was belgium or france yeah i think it was yeah it was a french still still photo it's still yeah so that was invented there

and then so you're saying the first long film was done in australia you were saying that maybe the first ever film was done in the uk right would you consider cinema to be an american art form so i guess if you look at it from a business standpoint edison creating this i mean essentially the infrastructure of business still exists you have the uh the the production company you have the distribute distribution company and you have the exhibition company, right? So in theory, right, we could go make our own movie as long as we find someone to help us sell that movie

to a place to show the movie. That's essentially the industry that exists today, and that's what Edison did. So if you want to look at it just from a purely corporate or just a financial standpoint, the movie business

was invented in america but he stole ideas from like a french uh a french doctor who had like a reel of film who was taking pictures and he he took that idea of a reel of film and brought it to america and had his guy make it i would argue that the movies uh the reason that america is as famous as America is. Because when you grow up in a different country, that's what we all know about America. That's why every actor can come over here and do an American accent because we have it shoved down.

If all you watched was Australian TV, you'd do a banging Australian accent as well. But no American does do that because you don't watch Australian TV. Right. But the movies are the thing mickey mouse to this that i believe that's what makes america and what makes an appealing tourist destination you can say it's engineering and this and inventions and all that type of stuff right but as a foreigner the movies was the thing that we always held up as the beacon

of american right culture and mcdonald's uh we didn't get we didn't get mcdonald's in australia But as a foreigner, the movies was the thing that we always held up as the beacon of American culture. And McDonald's. We didn't get McDonald's in Australia until like the 80s. Yeah. Right. I remember there was a McDonald's that was a long way away. And it was McDonald's in Tarmac, I believe. But it was shaped like a train.

Whoa. Like a train. And so it had those overhead luggage bits in the booth and everything. They tried to theme that McDonald's up. And I remember thinking that was a big bit. My mum ordered the food. My dad got all the straws and the napkins. And I had to go sit in the chair and make sure no one took our table.

We had a system. Yeah. In 1896, this film caused an uproar by showing what act? Deep Throat. It's called The Kiss. Ah, The Kiss. Ah, so it was a lynching, was it? So yeah, it was two people kissing. It was from a play that was being presented in New Jersey at the time.

They invited them down to the Black Mariah. And they just film. It's about maybe 20 seconds long. They just filmed them talking for a second. There's no sound. Tongue? No. It's not even, I don't even think it's barely on the lips.

Barely on the lips. Peck on the cheek. But people would, they put it, it was like a major headline. This is obscene. They would draw, somebody drew a picture of it because they wouldn't show it. You know, they wouldn't show the pictures of it. They drew a picture of it. And again, it just makes people go, oh, I really need to see this. I want to go see this movie.

Everyone was pulling their cocks out in the cinema. I've just come from the soup line from the Great Depression, and now I go to see The Kiss. Who or what is Topsy? Is it Turvey's older brother? That was a great guess, but no, Topsy. Again, back to Edison. It's an elephant that went wild in 1903,

and the city of New York it was at Coney Island was being developed and they beat the shit out of this elephant and then it can't kind of you know escaped and you know wrecked wreaked havoc and the state said they're gonna they're gonna execute the elephant by strangulation then they decided to electrocute it electrocute it and it's on film so edison's had people down there they filmed it a lot of people said hey this is edison trying to stand by it edison's an asshole yeah he's he's trying to you know do assholes can do good things yeah there you go right electric i invented i invented electricity let's all of his mediums at once i think you can find it on youtube i don't want to see that it's called

electrocuting an elephant but it's uh top of the elephant i know um what a bummer to end well i know we got one more thing here this is this is a part of our show called dinner party facts oh great expert to give us some facts something obscure interesting that can use to impress people about the subject what he got you got? All right. Edward Muybridge, the guy who helped develop motion picture. The horse guy? The horse guy, yeah. So in 1860, he had a massive stagecoach accident, had a massive head injury.

They believe that his personality shifted. That might have been one of the reasons why he had this idea of taking 12 cameras and had that idea to trigger it in 1874 he discovered his girlfriend wife was having an affair and it was like a journalist and he invited the guy in 1874 to his hotel my bridge's hotel when he when the guy stood at the doorway he opened the door and he shot him he shot him dead and my bridge was arrested he he he surrendered and said hey i shot this guy and the jury acquitted him because they believed he was justified because you know he he was you know his wife was having an affair or something yeah and so um so he was acquitted i think you. But a few years later, he essentially meets up with Stanford. Did he stay married?

No, no. So she died. She died a mysterious. Oh, this is before he invented the film. Yeah, yeah. So if they wouldn't have acquitted him, then. Exactly, right. If they didn't acquit him.

If they didn't acquit him, we would be two years behind with movies. Who knows? I'd be watching the second avatar like an idiot I would see that one well thanks for being here John John Wynn again

very funny comic go see him John Wynn go to johnwynncomedy.com for dates his Instagram is at funnyasiancomic do you have any dates

coming up I'm gonna be with Ian Bagg we're gonna be in March 1st and 2nd we'll be in Vegas at Wisecats. Dude, you're double headlining. No, no, no.

I open for him. Yeah, yeah. I feature for him. And yeah, he's been taking me a lot. It's been fun. It'd be good to have a high-end opener. Fuck it, man. Okay.

I was just looking at what else we have to do here, and I was like, oh, wait. You just insulted me. Okay. Cool. Yeah, that's it. Awesome., you just insulted me. Okay, cool. Yeah, that's it. Awesome. All right. Thank you,

John. Yeah. I love cinema. I've got one more question. Why, why did it take so fucking long? What? Okay.

So in the thirties you got color. Yeah. But not a lot of people used it. Yeah, but was it just too expensive? So again, yeah. So the Beatles 1964,

we have a hard day's night, black and white. 1966, we have help in color. Right. Was it just more expensive? So again, yeah. So the Beatles, 1964, we have A Hard Day's Night, black and white. 1966, we have Help in Color. Right. Was it just more expensive? So what happened was to make, so like you mentioned Gone with the Wind,

Wizard of Oz, it really required, so it requires three rolls of film to get one image. So in that camera, that three strip process, it was a huge magazine. And so the film, they'd have to stack three rolls of film to get the equivalent of one roll of film, essentially. Yeah, one strip's red, one strip's green, one strip's red. Yeah. And then you merge it all together to get the full color.

So it was huge. It was huge. So it's just- And then they made the munchkins stand next to it. And so it became just very expensive to use. And then Technicolor in the 50s was accused of creating a monopoly. And essentially what they did was they'd make these deals, these really almost ironclad contracts with the studios that said,

you have to use our crew, you have to use our camera, and you have to use somebody called a color consultant. And it was like the wife of the CEO. They have that now on tv in this country it's called the hr department and so yeah that was it so that was the reason why people didn't use film until uh the emergence of television competing with uh with the the cinema industry and so they decided to make it cheaper all right all right i had to ask that it was important to me yeah john that was excellent man i love cinema all right that was a good one ladies and gentlemen if you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and goes

the first ever movie was deep throat don't know about that and then walk away and then see if she's following you good night australia