I Don't Know About That - Jazz

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Jim doesn't know anything about jazz, but our expert Dave Glenn (www.daveglennmusic.com) sure does! Dave Glenn is an endorsing artist for Conn/Selmer, an Origin Records (Orange Arts) recording artist and an Executive Board member of Jazz Education Abroad and iJazzMusic.com. ADS: NETSUITE: Right now, download NetSuite’s popular KPI Checklist, designed to give you consistently excellent performance - absolutely free, at www.NetSuite.com/IDK.

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inventory, HR and more. Right now, download NetSuite's popular KPI checklist designed to give you consistently excellent performance absolutely free at netsuite.com.idk. That's netsuite.com.idk to get your own KPI checklist. netsuite.com.idk. Fingernails. Hair. Which one grows faster? Ooh oh that is a good question because you think about it you're always stripping your fingernails you might find

out i don't know that with jim jamborees but quickly which one grows faster because you cut your hair about once every couple of months you cut your fingernails well every few days every four days or so lengthwise your hair grows faster every couple of months you cut your fingernails well every few days every four days or so lengthwise your hair grows faster i don't know i don't know because you're cutting you're cutting your fingernails all the time you're you would i know your toenails go slower than your fingernails you're not cutting your hair all the time because you're not cutting it as soon as it grows if you're your fingernail as soon as it goes you're not with me you're against me i guess yeah again all right. All right, you're against me.

I'm team air. You're team air? I'd like to get some science in this. Fingers in the air, finger out. Do you think fingers and toes grow at the same rate? No, I learned this somewhere. Fingers grow faster than toes. That makes sense to me.

Fingers grow faster than toes because the toes are always in the shade, man. I don't know if that's got anything to do with it. I feel like the shade. The shade of socks. Get less keratin or some shit. Whatever that shit is that's in there. Yeah, I don't know. We've got some gigs. Fingernails grow approximately one-eighth inch per month.

Toenails grow slower. Hair on the other hand grows at a much faster rate. A quarter to a half inch per month or up to six inches per year. So your fingernails wouldn't grow six inches a year that feels like a week um you just you just came back from chicago my kind of town you're on your way to ireland i'm on ireland come and see me at the galway comedy festival there's three shows um they're all close to being sold out at about the same level so pick your night they're all it's only a thousand seater so get in close to being sold out at about the same level so pick your night they're all it's only a thousand seater so get in there might already sold out one or two of them by now

what by the time the podcast says but come and see me in galway and if you're not going to come and see me go and see me mates and go uh beacon theater yeah man other than the second and third it's a big one that's selling well uh yeah one of them sold out already i think november 3rd. It's a big one that's selling well. One of them sold out already. I think November 3rd sold out. November 2nd was the one that was added on. So we're going to the Beacon Baby. Hershey, Pennsylvania. Come and see me on the chocolate. November 4th. How's Austin doing?

November 16th. I have no idea. I know it's not sold out, but you can come and see me. The night before, I'm going to be at Cap City Comedy Club in Austin. And you're just going to hang around? I'm doing the shows with you. Yeah, you'm going to be at Cap City Comedy Club in Austin. And you're just going to hang around? I'm doing the shows with you. Yeah, you're going to go the night before, and then you're going to come and do my shows.

Yeah, I'm doing the rest of the shows. Austin, two shows in Dallas, and one in Tulsa. All right. Or Catoosa, Oakland, but it's a hard rock hotel and casino near Tulsa. And then you got D.C., Tysons, Virginia, December 1st and 2nd. They're all on jimjeffries.com. And there's a whole heap of new dates for 2024. We're going to be in LA. We're going to be in Texas.

We're going to be- Baltimore, Boston, Sacramento. Baltimore, Sacramento. Palm Springs. Palm Springs, baby. Des Moines, Iowa. Kansas City. I'm going to Kansas City.

South Africa. I'm going to South Africa. Spokane, Denver, Fort Lauderdale. It's all on jimjeffries. I'm looking forward to every single one of those gigs except for one. You decide. Jimjefferies.com. Hit tour.

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I want to tell a little story before we start the podcast. Very small one. Very small one. So last night I went and performed. Jack took me. Lovely boy. If you've ever met him jack hackett underscore hackett yeah spend some time and he's coming on him and he's spent some

time in his company you will not regret it all right anyway so so so jack takes me off to do the show i do a routine and i do a routine um the the base i look if even if you see me perform it it won't ruin it for you right now but the the basis of the routine, you've seen the routine. I simulate sucking a man's cock. This is who I am. This is who I am, right? I go, my wife's homophobic. She came home and I was sucking her cock and she was appalled.

Where if I came home and she was licking her vagina, I would be so happy for her, you know what I mean? Because I'm a tolerant, loving, and my wife's a homophobe. That's the basis of it, right? But I play it out a lot more. I have my head against the wall and tears coming down my eyes and everything like that. Anyway, because I go, I sucked one cock in front of my wife

like this, right? And I get in the car, Jack, a person who knows me very well, he knows my entire calendar. He has the passwords to my bank accounts, right? He goes like this. He goes, did that really happen? I don't know where the truth starts and ends with you. It's stand-up comedy.

Obviously, I'm joking. I assumed you were joking at the end, but I don't know if the beginning was a true statement or not at any point. What, that I sucked the cock in front of my wife? It might have been based on a true thing that end, but I don't know if the beginning was a true statement or not at any point. What, that I sucked a cock in front of my wife? It might have been based on a true thing that happened once. I don't know. That's why I was asking. I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

And this is for future listening to my comedy, right? I've only sucked seven cocks. No, I've never. I see I knew it. I've never sucked a cock, Jack. I don't know if you experimented once. No, just take that as I just haven't. I don't believe you.

That's why I asked. I've got nothing against people who suck cocks. I'm a big fan of them, in fact. You haven't experimented? Nah. Not even in science class. This cock tastes like cherry. It was so funny.

You asked so earnestly. Hey. I wanted to be nice about it. Hey. Hey, just a quick question. And what if I said, yeah, it's real. I think Jack would have pulled the carestly. Hey. I wanted to be nice about it. Hey, just a quick question. And what if I said, yeah, it's real. I think Jack would have pulled the car over. Out.

Out. I've got it out. Whoa. My headphones were on. How'd that happen? I didn't even touch it. That only happens when you're lying. The steam just came out of my ears.

All right. Let's meet our guest. Please welcome our guest, Dave Glenn. G'day, Dave Glenn. Now it's time to play. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no.

Maybe. Judging a book by its cover. And then he was assassinated. That was the way he fell over. Dave. All right, I'm going to look at Dave. Dave's an academic. I know academics all day because they own books.

They're not just any books. Books that look like they've been read. If you come over to my shelf, if you go in my house, I have books that have not been read that I've put there as almost a decorational thing about different bits of art. I've started reading them. I pull out one every now and again and have a look at it but then, you know, I put it back and then I stop

reading. But these are well-turned books. He also looks to be somewhat of a baseball fan. We have sort of a pre-Bobble head, just a normal-sized head doll. Not Bobble. Not like those freakish ones with their

bloody thing and then he also has a picture of a baseball is are we going to talk about baseball i would love to do one on baseball no put that on the put that in the diary right now i love baseball sorry about your dodgers though oh mate it's it look this is what we do every year. We get 100 wins and then we choke. It's just our way. It's the Dodger way. Who are you a fan of, Dave? The Kansas City Royals.

I like the Royals. You're a plucky bunch. You won the World Series maybe 10 years ago, correct? About 10 years ago. I always like you in the video games because for whatever reason You won the World Series maybe 10 years ago, correct? About 10 years ago. And I always like you in the video games because for whatever reason, the Royals are always lightning quick.

They can't hit, but everyone's like 100 in speed. I don't know what they do. It's like they go out to track and field and they go, have you played baseball? No, I've never done it. You're on the team. You'll learn. Okay, so is it something to do with academia, like real stuff, not fiction, like real?

Sort of. Sort of. Okay. Is it medical related? We always have a lot of medicine stuff going on here. No. No? I don't think you're going to know a lot about this.

You don't know me. Well, you do, actually. It's a shame. Yeah, I do, actually. But it's performance-based i do actually know you but uh it's uh performance based oh performance based so is it soccer because they're always falling over am i right no um it's called football i'm a big fan um okay so performance based are we going to talk about plays no are we going to talk about musicals have we talked about we've done musicals musical yeah not musicals uh musical a musical no no not musical oh not musical i thought he

said musicals not musical he said but not musical maybe music cools the type of music we're gonna be talking about i don't think you know anything about all right all right if it's we're trying to get you on track here if it if it's jazz where we might as well end the podcast i bet you'll know more than you think we'll see see. I do know from MLB The Show, and because Jazz Chisholm was the cover player of the game this year, that jazz was invented because of baseball. And he slightly explains why at the beginning. It starts off with drums going... And I always fast forward.

And there was something to do. I never watched the whole bloody thing. I don't know. Maybe that's... I don't even know if that's true. But let me introduce... Jazz Chisholm says that jazz is... That is true, yeah.

Yeah, jazz is invented because of baseball. Give me a point. The term jazz started with baseball. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, hold on. So we're jumping ahead. Yeah, wait for the questions, Jim.

But you might get a question right after all. That's a point all day. Dave Glenn is a clinician for Jazz Education Abroad and professor emeritus. Am I saying that right? I always say that. Emeritus, yeah. Emeritus. Emeritus. I'm an idiot. Emeritus is a skin disorder. I know.

Why am I saying emeritus? I've got a bad case of emeritus. But I knew I was saying it wrong. My brain was just, alright. At Whitman College where he was director of jazz studies and professor of low brass from 1989 to 2011. He has a Bachelor of Music from North Texas State University and a Master of Music from the University of Northern Colorado.

And he spent 11 years as a professional trombonist in New York City, where he played for 10 years with the Jerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band and toured extensively with Bill Wildtress' Manhattan Wildlife Refuge, Diana Ross and Lou Rawls. Nice. And he also plays trombone on the Grammy Award winning recording Walk on the Water by the Jerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band. If you want to listen to Dave Glenn, you can

check out some of his music. He's got original compositions and arrangements, an album called Journeys, another one called National Pastime, and he recently released a CD, Violin Memory, with guitarist John Stowell, and you can find this music on Dave Glenn. That's with two Ns, DaveGlennMusic.com

or at OrangeArts.com. Thanks for being here, Dave. Thanks, Dave. Thank you. I've got to say, I have a small prejudice against the trombone. I like the sound of the trombone, but I believe that it's a mean-spirited instrument. What?

Well, because dwarves can't play it. Why would you exclude them? Their little arms can't extend. That definitely was the case for a long time. Why? Have they got a special dwarf? Actually, there was a woman named Melba Liston that was a great trombone player early on in the 60s.

Did he use his foot? Say what? Oh, short. That's a problem for me sometimes too. Yeah, because I look at the school band, because my son's in the school band, my son's 10, and then I look at the small 10-year-olds trying to do trombone, and I feel like, I reckon there's notes these kids can't reach.

Their arms don't extend all the way. It's a prejudice instrument against the short. It's a hard instrument to start on. How tall are you, Dave? 5'7". Yeah, no, that's plenty good trombone height. Okay, all right. That's the perfect height.

Just barely. He's taller than Tom Cruise. You're telling me that Tom Cruise can't play the trombone because I won't have it. The next Mission Impossible. That's going to be one of the things. Mission Impossible. All right.

Here's what we're going to do, Dave. I'm going to ask some questions about jazz to Jim. At the end of these questions, you're going to grade him on his accuracy, zero through ten, ten being the best. Jack here is going to grade him on confidence, and I'm going to grade him on how hungry I am. Oh, God. I'm getting ten points somewhere.

Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what. The good thing about this is, as with jazz, there are no wrong answers. Okay. Okay, hold on. Just wait. Just wait. Hold on a second.

So if we add all the scores together, we add all those scores together, 21 through 30, DJ Jazzy Jeff, 11 through 20, Jazz Chisholm. I didn't know. I was going to put them maybe at the top. Oh, yeah, Jazz Chisholm. And then 0 through 10, Jazzercise.

You don't want to be that. Yeah, that would be bad. Exercise, yeah. Describe jazz music. Jazz music is a free form of music that predates rock and roll, that is you sort of know the key that you're playing in, you know, whether you're playing in a lot of minor and not as much major but a lot of a lot of minor and uh sharp keys and um uh well minor minor keys uh and then it's sort of free form you play within it there are there are boundaries that you can

all play but it's like the like like a a primitive for not a primitive but a primitive form of the grateful dead a jam band you just get together and then you can have bits in between where you can have a jazz song. I'm trying to think like famous jazz songs. Now I'm just thinking like big band songs, which is a different animal altogether. Yeah, it's freeform music. Freeform. Yeah, man. Okay.

Describe jazz music without using words. Scoop-a-da-bop-bop-bop-ba-do-ba-da-ba-ba-ba-boo. Okay, cool. describe jazz music without using words okay cool do you know I have a friend whose stepfather was the scatman what the scatman yeah

so his mother and she sadly passed away recently, which is an old lady. And she was married to this guy's dad, and then they got divorced. And then his next bloke, and he's like 10 years, she was dating the scat man, man. One hit wonder.

Yeah, man. That's pretty cool. He had a stutter, the scat man, and that's why he did the singing. He had a stutter. Only song he could do, man. That's pretty cool. He had a stutter, the scat man, and that's why he did the scat. Other than singing, he had a stutter. Only song he could do, yeah. Where did jazz music originate and when? I'm probably going to get told that I'm wrong about this,

but I feel like it's a New Orleans thing, so I'm going to say New Orleans. I believe it's American art form. I don't believe that it was originated anywhere else. So I'm going to say New Orleans. I believe it's American art form. I don't believe that it was originated anywhere else. So I'm going to say on the banks of the Mississippi, baby. When? What year? About one time.

And I'm going to say, ooh, real early, 1915, man. 1915. 1915. What is the etymology of the word jazz? Etymology. The word, yeah. Where does it come from yeah they're small green peas that you have with japanese food um the etymology what does that word mean etymology

like what's the origin of the word jazz oh jazz it comes from baseball it comes from baseball originally it comes from baseball and that's all you need to know you don't have any other details? no this is the thing I play that video game like three times a week and if I just listen to the intro you had him on your fantasy team too

yeah I've just chatted with my fantasy team and jeez I'm not picking him again he's just injured too much where does jazz come from? You said baseball. You might get partial credit.

It's from baseball. I did listen to it once. Well, maybe Dave will let us know. What types of music did jazz originate from? I think it would have been... Okay, so I'm going to say it's probably... There would have been music like... What's all this stuff that either the charleston and all that type of stuff

so i i don't maybe jazz is a little bit more maybe it comes from swing music but i feel like swing music would have been like no i'm going to say from swing swing music yeah uh when was the jazz age uh just before the ice age before yeah yeah yeah what happened was there was a guy playing classical music and then a meteorite hit right and then now he played every off note it's the notes you don't hear oh okay um what was the jazz age no okay so i'll say the jazz age was 19 38 to 19 i don't know you see i don't feel like world war ii was the time for jazz i'm gonna say it was in between world war one and world war ii was the jazz age when we were all feeling a bit good about ourselves and And what was it?

Okay, now I'm going to say it's later. I'm going to say it's later. I'm going to say it's like the 1950s. And then I know you had big band music, but you also had like your Dizzy Gillespie's and all this type of stuff. And, you know, you had... Okay, what was it? It was the age of jazz, man.

That's like saying, when was the British invasion? It was what it was, the age of jazz, man. If you can't hear it, Forrest, if you can't hear what I'm saying, then you don't understand it. Okay. That is so much confidence right there. This is the answer you feel, baby. Okay.

Describe these types of jazz in a few words. Awesome. No, New Orleans jazz. Very good. No, no, New Orleans jazz. I feel like New Orleans jazz, they used a lot of mutes on the trumpets. Like that. What about that?

So muted trumpets. Putting a mute in a trumpet. What about Kansas City jazz? Kansas City jazz is... Now we're heading into almost the blues, right? That's a different type of thing. So New Orleans jazz, upbeat. Kansas City jazz is... different type of thing it's it's it's uh so so new orleans jazz upbeat kansas city jazz what's that downbeat

kansas city kansas i'm going to kansas. Kansas City when I come. I'm going to Kansas City. Kansas City. Kansas City when I come. And then New Orleans is like this. Going to Kansas City, Kansas City, Kansas City. Why are they going to Kansas City in New Orleans? Because why would you go to Kansas City if you're fucking in Kansas City, dude? All right.

Going to Kansas City is sung in New Orleans because you're taking a trip. We got other questions. Describe free jazz. It's every way I've listened to it. I've never bought an album. No, it's without parameters. It's not a song. It's just jamming around, man.

It's jamming around. And then you go, we're doing it in this rhythm. We're doing it in it in this key and let's go and it's like you get in the piano and you go okay how about gypsy jazz uh that's when you do it but then you come home the piano's not there anymore all right cancel me britain i'm sorry i can't you can't make gypsy jokes anymore this is our last podcast sorry everyone knowing you, Jim. Sorry, everyone. Sorry, sorry. Bebop. What's a bebop? A bee-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop.

It's scat, man. Should I keep asking this? There's a couple more here. Bebop is like, bee-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-bop-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo-bop-a-doo- bop, boom. Boom, bop, boom. Okay. Kansas City was tss, tss, tss. Yeah, Kansas City. I hope you're taking notes there. Kansas City's playing with the hi-hat, keeping the hi-hat. You don't keep it right down. You keep it a little bit ajar for us.

Tss, tss, tss, tss. You know I went to university to study music. I know. We can tell. It's coming through. A couple more here. Cool jazz. What's cool jazz?

It's like beat poetry where you're like, yeah. Okay. One more. I'm going to ask you one more. Smooth jazz. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Smooth jazz. Hey, you having a good time?

Are you kissing him? Hey, if you're in your car right now and you think to yourself you're having a good time, maybe just whip your cock out and stop masturbating in traffic. This is smooth jazz. Okay. Talk about, next question, talk about improvisation as it relates to jazz. Improv, well, improv is the same as jazz because you're making it up as you go it's it's with a structure with a few rules but it's it's still um in the spare of the moment and you feed off each other in improv so you say something then i recall you say a question then i answer answer question

question answer answer question question answer okay a couple more questions uh why is there improvisation in jazz music because that's how the whole thing's done because it's fun yeah yeah yeah there's improvisation in lots of music you know you can have a guitar sound and rock or whatever but they're synonymous you have to check that word out they're synonymous they're synonymous. They're synonymous. Silent P. They're synonymous with, you know, you go up tempo, and then you go syncopated. Why? Why is there improvisation?

Why is there? I know what you're saying. I know you're describing it. That's a song, baby. Okay, we're moving on. Name a famous-ba-ba-boo-ba-bee. Name a famous jazz trumpet player. Dizzy Gillespie, bro. Or Louis Armstrong, brother.

I told you he'd guess Louis Armstrong. Yeah, I didn't know if you were getting Louis Armstrong. Or Dizzy, you said. Okay, cool. And then when he puffed his cheeks out, Dizzy like this. What about a famous saxophone player? Bill Clinton, baby. Bill Clinton, I'll put him in there.

That's your final answer? Yeah, man. Famous jazz drummer. Famous jazz drummer. Picture that guy. A lot of them. I'm going to say Matt Soren from Guns N' Roses Tommy Lee No he's not a judge

You're making a mockery of the podcast It's my name on this podcast Forrest I don't like it I get the hate mail not you Famous jazz piano player Oh Some big ones Ryan Gosling In La La Land piano player oh um yeah that's interesting some big ones um ryan gosling in la la land

he learned it look look look you asked this generation that's the one that would probably yeah he played jazz piano that thing i'm trying to think of oh the guy who does the voice of um of bob's burgers it's john benjamin yeah yeah he's no good he won out a whole album i know um famous trombone player is that also dizzy gillespie tom cruise tom cruise permission impossible seven you could say dave eight nine yeah well i don't i, I don't. Dave, I'll go Dave. Okay, we'll put Dave Glenn. Last question.

Name at least one famous jazz club. Oh, I can name you several. Do me several. Oh, yeah. The Boom Boom Room. Okay. From the movie Life. No, what?

I'm going to say the Blue Oyster. Wait, these are real? That's from Police Academy. Look them up. Okay. I'm going to say the oyster. And then there'll be Rafferty's. Where's that?

Where isn't it? You're not cool enough to get in, brother. Don't worry about it. Don't you worry about Rafferty's. You ain't getting into no Rafferty's. Dave. Dave right. Dave. Dave Glenn. How did Jim do on his knowledge of jazz music? Zero through ten, ten's the best.

Let's see. I'll add it up here. You're actually taking notes. Yeah, bloody hell. Luckily we haven't got you on here for math, Dave, because it feels like it's a pre-high school. Five. Five. Boom.

Not bad. Not bad. I learned a lot Here's the thing I knew everything about depression In the last episode And the bastard gave me six Yeah well

So you're slightly less about jazz How do you do on confidence? I'm gonna give him a seven That's twelve That's twelve How hungry are you Forrest? Yeah probably a ten So DJ Jonesy Jeff Hey And you know what You know you Forrest? Probably a 10 So DJ Jonesy Jeff

And you know what Forrest is the jazz of eating He just improvises as he goes along He's just like I'm just gonna go into a food court blindfolded And try me luck I asked Jim To describe jazz music.

He said it was a free form of music, predates rock and roll. There's a key you're playing in, primitive form of jam band. What do you think, Dave? How's that? I didn't give him any points on that. I thought that's where I got all my points. It did predate The Grateful Dead, but other than that, that's not really happening.

Is it after rock and roll then? Is rock and roll before jazz? No, it's before rock and roll. Oh, it's before rock and roll. But that doesn't really, you didn't really answer the question. So how would you describe jazz music then? It's a combination of European melody and harmony with African rhythms coming from Africa and Cuba.

And there's a lot of improvisation, which kind of falls into what Jim was saying. And then it's a lot of call and response, which he also mentioned later on, which is good. Yeah, I was impressed by that. That's something I remember now, because I did study music at university. I remember now call and response study music at university i remember now call and response as being a term we used all the time you said at the very end i put in the notes i was like oh calling yeah you said call and recall but same thing you know i was just like

it was close enough but uh all right so europe i didn't even know you i was yeah i would have guessed like i know the africa and cuba thing but actually, from Europe, right? So in like Salzburg and all that, right? So like Mozart, right? Or a weird thing. Stop. You're doing Hooked on Classics now. That was an album. Hooked on Classics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hooked on. I love when they do that. Remember Jive Bunny? No. That was an album Hooked on classics Oh yeah yeah Hooked on I love when they do that Remember Jive Bunny No That was the first like mashup Like mashup Like for Like Jive Bunny was this

I don't know what you're talking about now No it got to number one In like the late 80s It was like It was like Hooked on Classics Yeah they played like All the swing music But with like a techno

He beat a And had like a bunny Dancing around and shit Check out Check out some Jive Bunny, man. You won't regret it. Stop saying that. Okay. Describe Jasmine without using words.

Do you want to do this, Dave, or just leave that for Jim? Actually, he was pretty good on that. I gave him a one. Oh, okay. Work on your time. You rushed. Other than that, you were great.

You don't know that I was doing it at 6.12, and then back to a 4.4. What's a 6.12? Is that an actual measure? No, I know 4.4 is. Yeah, 6.4. Nah, of course it is. There is no such thing as a 12th note.

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So where did jazz music originate when? Jim said New Orleans around 1915. That's pretty close, actually. It did originate in New Orleans. And it was right around the turn of the century, from the 19th century into the 20th century. Yeah, and why was it New Orleans? Why did it originate there?

You've got to be born in the banks of the Mississippi. Well, that's an interesting story, but I'll try to make it short. In the 19th century, people of color started to – there was more of them than the whites, and because of that, the white people in government – I like to be called people of no color. Don't call us the whites, people of no color. Yeah, exactly. They were called people of no color.

Don't call us the whites, people of no color. Yeah, exactly. And they enacted legislation that lowered the status of a group called the Creoles of Color. They were merchants and really upper middle class. And they put them together with a group called the Uptown Blacks, which were more servants and stuff like that and even slaves at that time but then towards the 19th century then those two groups of people had been together long enough so that you ended up with some of the European tradition music that came from the creoles of color and a lot of the African

tradition that came from the creos of color and a lot of the African tradition that came from the uptown blacks. And that melding was generally the beginnings of things. And there was a lot of instruments left over from the Civil War and brass bands and stuff like that. Live music was really a big part of the whole culture in New Orleans. So you ended up with a lot of dancing and partying and stuff and you needed people to play music for that so oh that's quite interesting so the civil war happens you would have had a lot of trumpeters and a lot of drummers and stuff like that yeah you had military

bands you had all that that military stuff laying around so that's why they were using more that stuff and not like stringed instruments etc etc right yeah exactly and so you said it can you just repeat it again what was it the king of creoles because i know the elvis presley movie and i've always creole cooking and all that type of stuff but what what i've never questioned what that is what did you say they were again well creoles are a mixture of french and spanish you know french and spanish got together and that you know they get together and form families and then you got people of mixed heritage uh the creoles of color uh were more uh french and uh blacks uh free blacks. And a lot of those were like offspring of second families of the white ruling class.

They would have their white family, and then they would have their mixed race family, because they would have a mistress on the side. And it was kind of an accepted part of society at that time. The good old days. What ended up happening was the offspring of those unions a lot of times went off to Europe and studied music in Europe, so they came back with all of that information and a lot of culture, a lot of education. It was only until the whites felt threatened and started enacting Jim Crow laws that reduced the status of that class.

So it feels like the French had, what would you say, the French are the biggest European influence to jazz? It feels like that's... Maybe the French and the Spanish, but they were the most influenced to harmony and melody. Because when I think of Spanish music, I think of like Flamingo guitar and that dance with the rose in your mouth where you flip up your skirt and all that type of stuff. What's that one called? I don't know.

The tango, right? I think of the tango. Well, tango's from Argentina. Ah, well, then I don't think of anything. And then I just... That's all I don't think anything. And then I did, Sorry. That's all I think of French people. Farajaka. I love New Orleans. If I could work there, I would live there. That's a good, great saying. You don't think you could work there?

Because really, harmony comes from Bach and Beethoven. You know, it's just regular functional harmony Because really, harmony comes from Bach and Beethoven. You know, it's just regular functional harmony that's then been, you know, adapted. It's adding, but it came through the French and Spanish cultures that also were heavily influenced by the German composers, you know, Bach and Mozart and Beethoven and all those guys. Let's get on to onto the i just want to okay so so it starts off turn of the century in new orleans how does it start to spread and and where do people start playing it is it in the clubs or is it just uh at home for enjoyment

what's the origin of of the the build-up of the art form? Okay, yeah, this is another interesting story. First of all, in New Orleans, as I said, live music was a really big part of the culture, so a lot of it was for dancing, and that kind of led to improvisation because they needed to stretch tunes. Then it moved from New Orleans to Chicago because the red light district in New Orleans was closed down because some prostitute killed a sailor. So a lot of the New Orleans, once the red light district closed down, that reduced the gigs. And New Orleans jazz musicians like Joe Oliver and eventually Louis Armstrong moved from New Orleans to Chicago. And that became

a big hotbed because Chicago was ruled by Al Capone. And so there was a big red light district and all kinds of gigs and stuff in Chicago, dance halls. And then later it moved from Chicago to Kansas City because Tom Pendergast was ruling Kansas City at that time. And that had a thriving red light district. So it kind of needed nightlife to make it work. And so it thrived through prohibition and all that type of stuff?

Yeah, yeah. It thrived through prohibition because they found places that were still open and drinking established, speakeasies and stuff like that. And so it was, remember this was before, when it started out, it was before radio, certainly before TV or, you know, even recordings. The very early recordings were 1917 or so. But there was music happening in New Orleans even before the very early recordings. 1917 or so but there was music happening in new orleans even before the very early recordings oh wow and then uh and so that was the form of entertainment yeah that's interesting yeah the mob and so if it's before recording so other music had the privilege of the privilege but the other music had also privilege of having sheet music right so with

jazz music because it is so free-formed and all that type of stuff what of having sheet music right so with jazz music because it is so free formed and all that type of stuff what did the sheet music look like did it just have sections in the middle where it just goes and then you improvise from this this bar to this bar or or what happened there because like i'm just saying if there's no recordings how did we pass the information on if not with sheet music uh oral orally this is we're talking about really early jazz there wasn't any there was very little sheet music probably although you know some like i said some of those people like jellyroll morton or uh you know uh early jazz musicians some of them were trained in european traditions so certainly some of that was written down. Lil Hardin, who was married to Louis Armstrong for a while, she was a really good composer.

She wrote things down. But largely it was just learned by ear. And then in early jazz, both New Orleans style and Chicago style, there's a lot of collective improvisation, and that's why you're just kind of making it up as you go along, but it's within a structure of the tune. Then when you get into the swing era, that's also called the big band era, there's plenty of written music there and from that point on there's a lot of written music. Do you think the swing era is very closely related to the big bang, like to jazz? It's the same thing. It's the to jazz? It's the same thing.

It's the same thing. It's really the same jazz. It's the same thing. Oh, that is Canada's jazz. Okay. All right. Well, what was the first big hit? First big hit.

Well, hmm. It's like the record. Like everyone can go back to like the first rock and roll hit was, you know, like, I don't know. That's right. No, it was Bill Hale before that Little Richard. go back to like the first rock and roll hit was um you know like i don't know there was no there's bill hay before that little richard and then there was um they i i some beetle documentary they talked about it but um but like what was like when it was there a saint and did he march in anyway you know yeah you know actually the probably the most influential recordings of early jazz

are the Hot Five and the Hot Seven records of Louis Armstrong. And those are, go listen to those. They're fantastic recordings. They're really amazing playing and some really amazing pieces too. And Jelly Roll Morton and the Hot Red Peppers, they're really good too. And that's in the early 20s or so. I'd say that In the Mood is the oldest song that still gets played where people get excited when they hear it you know what i mean like if you're even in a bar in the dirt don't don't you go oh you sit up a bit

oh fucking in the mood and you want to know why because you know the name of it i think it was about fucking. What, In The Mood? Yeah, yeah. In The Mood, she's up for it. She's well up for it. I've taken a blue pill. Do you know who composed that song? I've got an interesting story about In The Mood. That would be the Miller band. One of the weirdest gigs I've ever gotten

was playing for a guy's funeral here in Walla Walla. And they just wanted me to play solo trombone in the mood, which is a big man's job. I mean, it was a ridiculous request. When they sent you that email, they just wanted a bloke to masturbate in the corner. They're just like, I want solo trombone in the mood. All right. Wait till you did the gig? I think it was the dead man's joke to his relatives.

You did the gig, though? I did the gig, yeah. Yeah, of course. It was a pretty funny gig, actually. A friend of mine, I wasn't able to go to the funeral, but he died last year, a couple of years. And as his coffin was going away, he had Burn Baby Burn by Earth, Wind & Fire. Wait, who did In The Mood?

Who wrote that song? Glenn Miller. Glenn Miller, the Miller band. Actually, again, I think it's the Miller band. I didn't know that. If I knew that Swing was jazz. Yeah, you didn't know that. If I knew that swing was jazz. Yeah, you didn't know. Then I'm pointing.

You kept saying it came from swing, yeah. But that's why you didn't get the point. You didn't have that. So it turns out you like jazz. You like some jazz. What is the etymology of the word jazz? Jim said it comes from baseball. That's all you need to know.

There's no other facts needed. It comes from baseball, baby. No, there's no other facts needed. Comes from baseball, baby. It was first used as a term to describe an energetic style of playing baseball. And a lively, lively player. Like, you know, like Jazz Chisholm or the guy with the diamond backs. Corbin Carroll is a good example of that. And it was first coined by Ben Scully in the 7600 years ago.

A couple of years later to describe a Chicago jazz musician. I don't remember who that was. And then from that point on, it started being more associated with music. Isn't it true that jazz really did originate from Utah? Isn't it true that jazz really did originate from Utah? Like I said, I'm learning all kinds of things today. Like the Utah Jazz, out of all sporting teams in the world,

I know they came from New Orleans, did they? And then they got moved. Yeah, they were transplanted from New Orleans. Because just have a name change. You come from New Orleans. Just have a name change. You come from New Orleans. We're the jazz. Alright, that's great. And then we're moving to Utah. The whitest Mormon, bloody, non-jazz. You wouldn't find a jazz bar

in Utah today. Maybe. Well, I've played a jazz club in Salt Lake City, but that was a long time ago. And there's not that many. Yeah. You're right. It's not a good name.

How about the Utah Gospel Choir? Yeah. The Utah Door Knockers. Well, the Lakers used to be in Minneapolis, and we have no lakes here. Yeah, there's another one. They have the Great Lakes. No, no, no. Look, America have done a lot of stupid things.

Like, I'm not just saying. Name one. Slavery. Yeah, yeah, no. Look, America have done a lot of stupid things. Like, I'm not just saying. Name one. Slavery. Yeah, yeah, all right. You got me this time, history. History once again. When was the jazz age? What was it?

Jim said it's the age of jazz. Idiot. That's what he said, yeah. You know, Jim, you nailed it for a brief second and then you moved away from it. It's like making love to my wife. That's good. It was basically from 1918 to 1929 between World War I and II.

Oh, you had it. All right. So that was because we were a bit more cheery. Was it because the war was over and things were just – Yeah, the war to end all wars is over, and then everything was cool until the stock market crashed in 1929. I love the world that ends all wars. It's such a – the great war, they called it,

because they thought, we'll never do one bigger. We'll never do one bigger. And then just like a decade and a bit later, they're like this, oh, this one's very big. Yeah. Might be bigger than the great one. Not looking good. Yeah.

Describe these types of jazz. New Orleans jazz. Jim said very good mutes on the trumpet. Yeah. A lot of sounds. Yeah. It does feature plungers often. Plungers.

Plungers. Yeah. There's a lot of collective improvisation in New Orleans jazz. You know? And it's standard tunes. It's great stuff. We can jump ahead to the improvisation, though, since that's related to New Orleans jazz.

Why is there improvisation in jazz music? Well, originally it was to stretch tunes, because you'd get on the gig and you only knew so many tunes and they want you to play all night long, and the dancers wanted to dance longer to each tune so you started messing around with the melody a little bit further each time you went through the form of the tune and before you knew it you were improvising off of the, it started off improvising off the melodies of the tunes

it only was later on that people started really getting into learning about chord progressions and tunes it only was later on that that people started really getting into you know learning about chord progressions and and thinking modally and things stuff like that although you know lewis armstrong and jelly roll morton and all those guys certainly knew tons about harmony that's i'm sorry i'm saying that's kind of why my stand-ups so okay so so a lot of so when i was starting out in stand-up, all the American comics were trying to shorten their stand-up to do a four-minute set on Letterman or Leno or whatever like that.

And I was trying to do the Edinburgh Festival where I had to do a new hour each year. So if I had 20 minutes material, I tried to stretch it out as long as possible. That's why the wheelchair muscular dystrophy story is 30 minutes long. I didn't have much of a show that year. There you go. You're jazzed. I'm the jazz of comedy, man. That's my new poster.

Jim, you did really say something important with regards to that, though. You said they did it because it was fun. And that's absolutely right on target it's just about the most fun thing you could do without getting in trouble all right if you're playing a song you're playing the drums like this and there's a good looking girl on the dance floor you don't want her to stop dancing keep bloody going yeah i know how i know what happened it was girls that's the answer that's the answer to every question on this podcast girls oh i throw a lot of solo breaks in my band when we play i go you go you go all right so so so young jack here is in a

in a band it's uh not a jazz band called the doohickeys it's a it's a country band well how do you describe yourself how do you cheeky country cheeky country all right cheeky country I would say tolerant country Woke Some humour I'd love to hear it They've got a bit of fun to them You can download A Doohickey song I'll check it out

So Jack You reckon you play long guitar breaks and stuff like that yeah I have a pedal steel guy with me so I'll throw to him he's a wizard he can play anything off the top of his head and Jack plays a song so long that the girls decide not to sleep with him that's what it felt like at our last show he might have got a little too long he finished two minutes earlier but she's like oh I gotta get to bed I was fine five minutes ago yeah turn the lights on they're sweeping this place up

so that's why improvisation was and that's like more related to New Orleans jazz improvisation or it's all jazz well it started in New Orleans but it permeates jazz there was probably a little bit less during the swing era, the big band era because you had so much music dependent on arrangements and stuff but even during then you had a lot of solo space for people and then you had bands like Count Basie and Duke Ellington and

Cat Calloway that opened up a lot of space for improvisation. So it's a lot of really great improvisers during the swing era. It feels like jazz, more than any other musicians, they rock out the nicknames. They love the nicknames. So you've got your Dukes and your Dizzies, you know what I mean? So why? I don't know.

It's probably related to just the way that jazz musicians and kind of hip people in general start to manipulate language, come up with different terms. And so we go to jazz and then the jazz into the swing bands the swing bands when does the blues come in because the blues is sort of slightly more closely related to rock and roll and then to like what elvis was doing you know like that type of era stuff um am i right in that order uh Not really. Blues predates jazz. Oh, really? The very beginnings of jazz originated from

street vendor cries and field songs and stuff like that, and then that morphed into both blues and ragtime, and then blues and ragtime morphed into jazz. And blues existed kind of as an underground thing all all through that time robert johnson and lead belly and all those people and then the early rock and roll guys got hip to that and started you know developing that and you you probably know more about the history of rock and roll than i do so i'll leave it at that i I don't like ragtime. I just stay away from my wife. Next question.

Kansas City Jazz is almost a blues. It's going to get a lot of drumming sounds. Kansas City Jazz. It's blues-oriented for sure. One of the hallmarks of Kansas City Jazz is it had more improvisation. It was based on what are called riffs, which are short melodic

phrases that are repeated. And sometimes, like with Count Basie's band, they would just make up two or three riffs and then play them against each other. And it ended up being counterpoint. And some of their arrangements were nothing but that. And vehicles for the soloist to play because he always had great solos and then and he he came out of kansas city even though he he grew up in new jersey he he made his name in kansas city and then later on moved the the band actually he was the piano player with a band led by a guy named benny moten uh and uh when ben Benny Moten died on the operating table,

and that's another interesting story, then the bass player, Walter Page, became the leader of the band, but Walter Page was kind of a dictator and there was a revolt among the band members. And Bill Basie became the leader of the band after that and everybody loved uh Bill Basie Count Basie then he moved the band to New York to get more exposure and more recording and stuff like that and the rest is history what is the drug of choice

historically for uh jazz musicians I was afraid you'd ask that. I'm not a cop, mate. Actually, it started off with weed, you know, and then, you know, after World War II, like a lot of places, heroin really got into the whole community. In the 80s, cocaine was there for a while, but I think now it's pretty clean. Yeah. Was it Louis Armstrong who did a whole thing about weed?

He even had songs about weed, how much he loved weed. He loved weed. Yeah, he was mad for weed. Maybe we'll talk about that later. Me and Louis Armstrong have a bit in common. He loved trumpets. Free jazz? Is that like without parameters, free jazz? No, it's how I listen to it.

That's a tough one. A lot of times it is without a set chord progression. A lot of times it's played without a chord instrument, like a piano or a guitar. Like Ornette Coleman's group was alto, saxophone, trumpet, bass, and drums, and that kind of opens things up. And they would improvise off the melody or even off just the vibe of the melody, and then to kind of take it from there. Usually there's tempo and, you know, rhythm, but sometimes that's even missing.

It's just varying degrees of freedom and a lot of just interaction. And again, a lot of collective improvisation, which actually, you know, as I said, came from New Orleans days and then kind of disappeared during the swing era. But when we get to free jazz, that comes back into play. Now, if you're a novice to jazz like me with very obviously very limited knowledge um name the three albums the quintessential albums if someone's listening to this podcast right now should go and buy and listen to these albums what

are the what are the the mount rushmore albums that's a great question. I would start off with one that Jack and I, or Forrest and I talked about yesterday, Kind of Blue, Miles Davis, 1959. I mean, that's a really good starter recording. Great. Great recording. And it's very easy to listen to. There's a lot of clarity but just extreme art i mean it's of the highest quality um then it becomes into personal taste i love uh the miles davis gill evans collaborations especially porgy invest because that those tunes are so good uh and the great great arrangements um you know there's an album that that maybe isn't recognized as a landmark album, but it's one of my go-tos, is an album with Bill Evans and Cannonball Adderley called

Know What I Mean. And it's just great, you know. I love Cannonball Adderley's playing, so that's kind of where I go. But there's lot of the real mccoy mccoy tyner speak like a child herbie hancock uh you know speak no evil wayne shorter that's a great album everybody's really on that on that recording i used to i was i was telling um i was telling dave yesterday when i worked on your show writing, I would put on Kinda Blue to start writing. I listened to it so many times, but it's very inspirational, that album. So I would just start writing, even if it was writing about whatever. But that's a great album, so you can't go

wrong there. A couple more jazz types here. Bebop. He said the scat man. Jim knows the scat man. That wasn't too far off. I know, I know, the scat man. It's scatting that wasn't too far off i don't know man i know the scatman it's scatting oh when did jim when did the bebop era happen um bebop bebop would have been uh the 1942 to 1949. Oh, that's not bad.

That's pretty good. Maybe got into about the mid-50s. Yeah, but it was dying out. Or even later. And bebop is kind of the basis for both cool jazz and hard bop. But it's a result of the coming out of World War Two. During World War Two, there was gas and rubber rationing. So the big bands and plus a lot of people were in the service. So big bands started to dissipate. And by the end of World War Two, the size of groups have been reduced from big bands to small groups. Even Count Basie

had a small group for a while. And so there's a lot more room for improvisation. And then Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie and to some degree Thelonious Monk kind of came up with some new musical language out of that. And that that was and also kenny clark and max roach on drums just their rhythms they came up with really uh kind of moved it in a different direction a little angrier a little more art and less for dancing you know more club music instead of dance hall music you know everybody you've listed has been american is there ever like okay so you've got like the rolling stones are arguably a blues band you know what i mean like and the beatles dancehall music. Now, everybody you've listed has been American. Is there ever, like, okay, so you've got, like, the Rolling Stones are arguably a blues band, you know what I mean?

Like, and the Beatles sang Kansas City. And was there any body of note to come from overseas or was it all just an American thing? Oh, well, yeah. The next question, I think, was gypsy jazz, and that was really a term that was describing Django Reinhardt and Stéphane Grappelli from France. And a lot of American jazz musicians moved to Europe to escape discrimination. So there was a lot of cross-pollination that happened with Europe, for sure.

Right, because Europe never had any crisis. happened with europe for sure right because europe and then later on you have all kinds of as the world got smaller once jet airplanes became you know uh in use then the world got a lot smaller and there's a lot more uh interaction between people from south america from africa from india japan you know australia Has there ever been an Australian? Australia, yeah. Yeah, Australia. There's a great trombone player and trumpet player. Dizzy Gary. He plays both of them. James Morrison, have you ever heard of him?

Man, he's killing. James Morrison, the trumpet player, right? Yeah, he's great. Okay, for whatever- He also plays great trombone. For whatever reason, he has really sort of pursed lips. His face goes red and he reckons he's bled from his ear once hitting a high note, but that just might be a bit of mythology.

But he was really, really big, sort of late 80s, early 90s in Australia. And for whatever reason, the music teacher at my school, and I just went to a normal public state school um knew him and they and he did a concert once at our school why like the heart of his fame and and i have seen him perform when i was maybe 13 years old wow cool so what'd you think ah look mate i can't remember when i was 27 years old. I remember having a good time. I remember like, because, you know, I think at that stage I was playing trumpet in the school band or something like that.

So, you know, I found it very interesting that he could hit so many top notes and just the dexterity of the man and all that type of stuff. Amazing facility, yeah. Yeah, like technically a very, like, a very good player. Yeah, well, it's funny. I didn't think, I haven't thought of James Morrison for a very long time. Yeah.

You know, there's a guy that's a good friend of mine that I played with in New York named Dave Panicki, and he's a really good trombone player. He's Australian and moved back to Australia. So if you get back home, look him up, man. He's a very funny cat too. Great guy. When did you all start calling each other cats?

Because I do that every now and again. I go, he's a funny cat, that fella. And I've sort of, you know, when I started doing it, I think I heard George W do it once. You know, cool cat. Like George W Bush will say the word cat. Hep cat. Every now and again. And then I, look, I'm a big, I lived

in Manchester for a long time. So I say the word man a lot of time. Very like sort of Manchester-y type of thing. Yeah, man. No ban. And so I say man a lot. And then I started working cat into my vocabulary, but I don't know if I've ever really truly carried it off. But I will throw a cat in and out. Where does the term cat come from that's from beat nick uh language i think or the you know right after world war ii maybe predated that i don't know but that's where it really became famous like there used to be this funny album called uh uh how to speak hip and it was formatted like a burlitz uh language course but it was all tongue and cheek and and their their common uh thing they said if you want to speak hip start the

the sentence with the word like and end it with man and you can say anything and you still sound hip like i'm like i gotta go to the grocery store, man. You know? You got it. What do you do if you see a Spice Man? Parking it, man. Oh, wait. What's the guy? Because Jim just reminded me of when he said high school. I think he went to my high school. He definitely played

for us in high school. The Peanuts guy. Vince Giraldi? He played the Peanuts guy? Vince Giraldi. That wasn the Peanuts? Vince Giraldi. That wasn't his name. Maybe he just played it. Schultz.

George something. Alf. George. W. Winston. George Winston? Is that a guy? Oh, yeah.

He invented the cigarette. Is he no good? Yeah. There's a George Winston that was kind of an easy listening. Smooth jazz. Yeah. Sort of jazz. That was our next thing, smooth jazz.

Is that what that is, smooth jazz? Like Jim just started talking like this. Actually, Jim was pretty close. I gave him a point on that. I don't know about the part of it, but definitely, you know, driving down the highway and all that, it's more of a, I don't know, it's hard to describe. It came out of the fusion era, but it's kind of a lighter version of fusion.

So there's a lot of euphemisms, right? A lot of euphemisms, as I say, in the mood and stuff like that. What was getting your kicks on Route 66? What was my kicks? What was I meant to be getting? I think that was rock and roll. No, you'll get your kicks. The song was that.

Get your kicks, Route 66 is definitely jazz, isn't it? Well, yeah, it's a blues tune. Yeah. It's been expropriated by jazz players for sure. I don't know. The jazz people have appropriated it. I like that. I've done that a bunch.

Was there anything else about improvisation you wanted to say? We kind of skipped ahead there, but I don't know if there was anything else as it relates to jazz. Well, a common misconception is that we're just making it up, and I guess that's right to a certain degree. But first of all, you're following the form of the tune in most instances. And you're also following the chord progression. So you're kind of weaving yourself through this harmonic structure. But you're, you are improvising it. And there's kind of common idioms that are used from time to time, although I kind of try to stay away from those as much as I can.

But, you know, it's a language. So it's the same thing as, Jim, it's the same thing as you do as a stand-up comic. I mean, you're making stuff up as you go along and you're speaking the English language. But you're thinking up a story as you go along and you're speaking the the english language but you're thinking up a story as you go along and you have the structure of the story but you're not going to tell it the same way every time i was drunk for most of it just like jazz oh that happens sometimes too all right so famous players jim i think got it he said Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie for trumpet

also Miles Davis would be one Louis Armstrong because he was a very much a crossover artist right so he's and you keep saying Louis

so is it Louis or Louis Louis he says Louis though oh I was saying it was Louis either one ah ok

so he was I don't like I don't like the term Satchmo because that's kind of weird you know musicians call himatchmo because that's kind of weird you know musicians call him Pops because he really kind of

because he fathered a lot of kids well that could be too but like he's like hello Dolly and Casablanca and all this type of stuff was that seen to be a bit selly outy to do that or was that revered a little bit but he still sang the hell out of it so you know yeah what about saxophone players besides bill clinton

uh well you've and uh and early jazz you've got people like frank teshamacher that came out of chicago and then the swing era coleman hawkins and bed webster and lester young and then you get into bebop as charlie parker and uh then you get into cool jazz the guy i worked with for 10 years jerry mulligan was a barry sax player and uh stan getz and hard bop you got wayne shorter and joe henders and i mean each and you had michael brecker and fusion uh you got some great players now branford marcellus is a great player and chris potter and you know there's tons of great players it's a major instrument in jazz i'm not i'm not like this okay is clinton good no but he was actually he wasn't he wasn't bad he wasn't terrible no uh and he had loved to play and i've

met or i've talked to several people that met him and they said he was a really cool guy and they asked him one time who was his favorite saxophone player and he said joe henderson and jazz players immediately fell in love with bill clinton because i mean that's a guy that not the general public doesn't really know about but a great player and very inventive and just just oh he was great he was pandering to the jazz vote. Yeah, yeah, that's a big portion. You get the jazz vote, you get Louisiana. That does it, man. You got it.

Is Kenny G not considered good? Is he just like a hacker? Kenny G can play trumpet. I don't think he's jazz, but he can play trumpet. No, saxophone. Yeah, he can play saxophone pretty well. It's just he – well, let me put it this way. I know some people that know him, and they say he's a really nice guy.

He's known to be the best celebrity golfer. Yeah, he's very good at golf. He's close to being a pro golfer. We had him on our golf show, yeah. So you've got to give all respect to the Kenny G. And then, you know, late at night, you light a few candles. I've heard he's a great guy. And he's given a lot of money to the jazz department

at the University of Washington. There you go. Good guy. Drummers. You said Matt Soren from Guns N' Roses. Where are some drummers we should know? Maybe a handful of them. Yeah.

You know, Baby Dodds in early jazz was a great player. Tons of players during the swing era. Bebop era, like I said, was partially started from a guy named Kenny Clark, just the rhythms he played on drums, and Max Roach. And when you get into later on there's Elvin Jones who played with the John Coltrane quartet who I didn't I mentioned John Coltrane there is another great fantastic John Coltrane is excellent well Tony Williams played with that that was great

it's Art Blakey a drummer I haven't out there Blakey had his own band during the hard bobby play chubby chick is great player and great band leader what was that was great is art blakey a drummer i haven't out yeah blakey had his own band during the hard bob he was a great player and great band leader what was chubby checkers was he rock was he jazz what was chubby checkers he was just doing he was doing the twist everywhere rock and roll right i don't know he feels like he was twisting all over the place he had that one song and it he rode that song forever when i was a kid I remember and it was always like and who was that guy he used to do

Countdown Casey Kasem Casey Kasem Casey Kasem always would wheel out Chubby Checker like Chubby Checker was a big fat bastard

he was always dead and he was still twisting around he might be still alive I don't think he is he is give us a couple is he

he is Chubby Checker's still alive I'm checking. I think he is. Oh, wow. What about the Fat Boys? The Fat Boys are going to be dead because that was his backup band was the Fat Boys. Chubby Checker is still around.

Chubby Checker's in the Fat Boys. They're doing the twist. Check all the Fat Boys. See how they're going. While we're doing that, can you give us just a handful of famous jazz piano players and trombone players? Not yourself, Dave. Piano. Oh, wow. a handful of famous jazz piano players and trombone players not not yourself dave uh piano oh wow jelly roll morton uh father heinz art tatum was fantastic uh then you get into

teddy wilson who played with the benny goodman band then you get into uh bebop and thelonious monk and bud powell uh then you get into cool jazz uh dave brubeck that that comes to mind dave brubeck i saw him definitely herbie hancock mccoy tyner keith jared bill evans i'm a terrible person because i thought herbie Hancock was, because he didn't know John Hancock's name, Will Farrell's character in Tommy Boy. I thought he made up Herbie Hancock. Oh, no. No, no. Herbie and Chris Farley.

He's a great player, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris Farley. Chris Farley, yeah. What did I say? Will Farrell. Okay, so Chris Farley in Tommy Boy goes, I think you'll find it's a Herbie Hancock.

And then I did. I've just learned this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The joke doesn't get funnier. Those are jokes that jazz players get. Nobody else does, probably. Yeah, they always got these Chris Farley jokes. What was the guy?

The Dave Brubeck. I saw him, too. His song's very famous. You would know. What's that one? Take five. Take five. I can't do it.

You'd know it if you heard it. That's it. That's it. That's it. Stay perfect. Okay. Do you want to... What do we got here? Famous jazz club.

Jim said the Boom Boom Room. The Boom Boom Room. You never got to trombone play. Oh, sorry. Yeah, trombone. Yeah, besides you, Dave. Famous trombone players. No one cares about the trombone, Dave.

Stop trying to push it onto everyone. So here's an interesting fact. The very first black musician to be recorded is a guy named Kid Ori that played with Louis Armstrong quite a bit. But he was a great player in the early jazz. And then in the swing era, you had Tommy Dorsey and a guy named Bill Harris that came out of the woody herman band that kind of led to bebop my the guy i'm really basically coming from is jj johnson and he was in

kind of the bebop era into the hard bop era uh and there's another guy named wayne henderson that i really really dug and transcribed some things of his. What about Trombone Shorty? There's a lot of really great trombone players. Trombone Shorty is a good player. He's really good. But there's guys like Marshall Jilks and Ryan Keberle and John Fedchock. And, you know, there's tons of great players now. Okay.

So if you play the flute, it's very easy to learn the saxophone because the fingering is basically the same. And then even like going over to clarinet, it's a similar type of thing. Does the trombone parlay itself into other instruments or is it just trombone? Like does it help you out with other instruments? Because I feel like it's the only real slide instrument. Am I missing something?

No, that's right. You're right. You have to basically be a genius to play trombone because it's a totally different thing. And I feel like it's a good instrument to be sarcastic. So if one of the... Oh, yeah. Wah, wah, wah.

Yeah, wah, wah, wah. And then like if a member of your band just gets dumped by his girlfriend and as she leaves you go. It's a funny instrument. It's a good take the piss instrument. There's times when I walk by it and I keep my trombone on a stand in the living room and I walk by and it's like, wow, I can't believe you pulled this off for a whole career.

And it is the motion of pulling it off. Yeah, let's not go there. Famous jazz club. Jim just said a bunch of things from movies. What are some famous jazz clubs? Village Vanguard in New York is a classic club. It's still open? Yeah, still open yeah still open in fact there's a a band i used to sub in uh was led by mel lewis when i subbed in it but it's

called the vanguard jazz orchestra they've played every monday night there pretty much and except for on the road since uh the 70s so if you got to go someplace and want to hear a great big band, go to the Village Vanguard on a Monday night. It's a killer band. Is that where Woody Allen plays? Say what? Is that where Woody Allen plays? No, that was...

What was the name of that club? God. The Local Kindergarten, wasn't it? It was uptown someplace. Uptown. Yeah, I don't remember. was up town someplace. Yeah, I don't remember. Off the top of my head, I don't remember. There was a guy named Vince Giordano and the Nighthawks

and he would sit in with them sometimes. Are there any good clubs in LA, jazz clubs? I never hear of any. The Viper Room. The Baked Potato. A lot of people don't know this. Baked Potato. River Phoenix.

Big jazz guy. Wait, what's the Baked Potato? How do you know about this? Because I've been. Yeah. And what, do they serve baked potatoes? They serve huge baked potatoes. What?

Jazz and baked potatoes? Yeah. Why am I not going to this? I don't know. It's awesome. It's a vegan bar. It's like all the session musicians in town just play there every week. It's awesome. Yeah, that's a great

place. It's been a great place for a long time. Alright, well, I'll go there. There's a place called the Green Mill in Chicago that's a long, long 10-year jazz club that's really cool. It's a great club. And in New Orleans are the clubs, or is it just everyone's performing? There's tons of clubs in New

Orleans, but I haven't been there since before Katrina, so I'm not sure what's... went to one i got a question okay so harry connick jr right he grows up in new orleans immersed in the music then he has like popular sort of uh sonatry type albums but i saw him in concert and he looked to me like he was an outstanding uh jazz pianist. Absolutely. He's really good. He is good, okay, because I didn't know whether it was like me going,

oh, yeah, that's a good one, blah, blah, blah, because he was commercial, but he looked outstanding to me. No, he's great, and he's a really good band leader too. I knew the bass trombone player, and he said he was really fun to work for. I know a good club. I just had to look it up. I was like, I went to one called Snug Harbor. That was a good one. Yeah, yeah.

That's where I cool my underwear. I've heard of that club. Very damp down there. Here's a part of our show called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our guests to give us a fact or a story, something obscure, interesting about this topic that guests can use to impress people. What do you got for us, Dave?

Well, I got a story for you. I was in Chicago doing a gig, and a friend of mine introduced me to a guy named Barrett Deems, who was this old drummer. And he played with Louis Armstrong and his All-Stars during the 50s. Then they did a bunch of State Department tours, kind of goodwill tours that was sponsored by the State Department.

So one time they were coming back from one of those tours and they were in Idlewild Airport, you know, which is JFK now. And this was during the Eisenhower administration. So they were coming in and going through customs. And all of a sudden, Vice President Richard Nixon comes in with his entourage in the same place. And Nixon sees Louis Armstrong and goes over to him. And Nixon played a little bit of piano, so he thought of himself as a musician. He says, you know, I really love your music. You know, I listen to you all the time.

And thanks a lot for doing these State Department, you know, tours. You're doing good things for the country. And then he finishes off and he says, if there's ever anything I can do for you, Lewis, just let me know. So Louis Armstrong looks to me and says, well, you know, I got a lot of bags here. I wonder if you could just take this one bag through customs, and that way I don't get charged more. So Nixon's kind of caught.

customs and that way i don't get charged more so nixon's kind of caught so he he takes the bag through customs and lewis picks it up afterwards after he gets out of customs well you know when you think about it is it's it's it's great because you got the white vice president carrying the bag of a black jazz musician and that's the the bag where Lewis kept all this weed. Yeah. Because they're never going to check the vice president. Nixon, I'm not a crook, carried a bag of fucking weed through the airport, man. That's the best one ever. Oh, that's my favorite one.

Dave, thank you so much for being here if you go out and listen to some jazz people some of the albums he recommended and also listen to Dave's music

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with two N's DaveGlennMusic.com or OrangeArts.com thank you Dave Dave absolute pleasure thank you absolute pleasure, mate.

Absolute pleasure. What a joy it was to have you on the podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, if you ever had a podcast and someone says to you, Jazz was named after baseball, go, I haven't finished the video game. I don't know about that. And walk away.

Good night, Australia.