I Don't Know About That - Magic Mushrooms with Eric Osborne

Episode Date: September 1, 2020

In this episode, the team discusses magic mushrooms with the help of Founder/President of MycoMeditations LTD, Eric Osborne.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Do we really need them? I assume yes But how would you know? You'll answer all this on I Don't Know About That With Jim Jefferies Hi, I'm Jim Jefferies Welcome to I Don't Know About That With Jim Jefferies I'm here with

forest and kelly and jack and we uh he said you'll answer that like you're like making the listeners you guys will answer all that let's get into that real quick you don't need legs but they're better to have yeah like like i don't want to see if there's any amputees sitting there going you don't need them i push myself around on a skateboard with my knuckles that actually is really impressive that they can do that that was the other day we were talking about this the other day we were we were hanging out in the house we had a few friends over and uh okay and we were talking about what was it kelly what was inside et uhT.? I don't know.

Have a guess. Oh, M&M's. No, no, he wasn't made of M&M's. Inside E.T. was a child amputee. There was a child with no... Oh, you mean when they were filming it. It was Reese's Pieces, anyway. Oh, sorry. I haven't seen E.T. since I was like four.

Inside E.T., they had a kid that had lost his legs, and then he had his little arms, and that's how he walked around. Yeah, that's Spielberg. He really used to ring up the disabled company. Yeah, he was into diversity well before. I think it was just a size thing. I don't think it was diverse. Spielberg fits in the suit.

But George Lucas and Stevenielberg must have known more dwarfs and amputees than anybody else on earth well unless you worked in the hospital with dwarfs and amputees all right way to way to run uh so i want to i want to i want to talk about the comments that are happening on our other podcast um i'm i'm 11 pounds heavier than before covid right and people rip the living shit out of me people are just like fucking hell now my special was filmed in november and they're like how could he look so bad because i don't have hair and fucking makeup i want to say this is the deal this is the deal right right when you record a special you look good that week and so i had professional people doing my hair and makeup people so that when i do this podcast i put so little effort in

it's unbelievable forest they were ripping into forest for getting fat in the comment section forest although he's still fat isn't as fat as he was I lost weight in COVID you know what it was where we were briefly recording our podcast in between the studio and now here those chairs that you and I

had to sit in you like sink into them and then I had to lean forward to go and I'm not saying I'm in great shape but it was like

that was like every time I'd watch I was like that is not a flattering chair at all and also there's a reason that me and Forrest

wear hats on every episode we don't want to do our hair oh well no you can't unless your hair is flat my hair sticks up a little there was one episode where i put the headphones on like that looks terrible it looks terrible let's just say that we're not doing a fitness podcast me kelly and forest aren't deeming ourselves the fittest people on earth. But if you're at a party, who the fuck would you want to hang out with? Yeah, exactly.

Who would you want to hang out with? These three maniacs or some cunt that's talking about squats? Yeah. Let's start our episode. All right, let's introduce our guest today. Our guest is Eric Osborne. Say hello, Jim. Hello, Eric. How are you? Hey, Jim. Where do you live, Eric? Good. Say hello, Jim. Hello, Eric.

How are you? Hey, Jim. Where do you live, Eric? Good. Yourself? I'm good, yeah. Where are you calling us from? You can say it. Where am I from?

I'm from Kentucky. But where are you calling from? You can tell them where you're calling from. I'm on the line in Jamaica. You're in Jamaica. You're in Jamaica. You're a guy from Kentucky in Jamaica. So this is a part of the show called Judging a Book by Its Cover. Jim is going to try and guess what you are here to talk to us about today, Eric, just by looking at you, and then he can ask a series of yes or no questions.

Eric, I feel like I've seen your face in a documentary is that correct well you i was in a documentary yeah i've seen something about this guy oh wow um now you're in jamaica you're in jamaica i'm gonna say you're an expert in steel drums god you got it again first guess so so So close. So close. But no. Do you live in Jamaica on the regular or are you just holidaying in Jamaica for the COVID? Oh, no. Yeah. I've been living here for about three years now.

Now, did you go out there because of work or did you go out there because of a woman? There's only two reasons men move anywhere is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? There's only two reasons. I came here 17 years ago. I started coming here 17 years ago for a love of the culture. And then I kept trying to find a way to move my work here. So I moved my work here and brought my woman here.

Yeah. A Kentucky accent versus a Jamaican accent. That's like a real clashing of cultures. Hey, man. Oh, that's good. I can't do the other one. I just did Scottish. Why, hey.

Try the haggis. Any more yes or no questions? Okay, so I'm going to say, this is going to sound slightly bigoted on me, but because you're in Jamaica, I'm going to say you're not a professor. Now, I have a reason for this. I have a reason for saying this. One time I was in Jamaica, I was on a cruise,

and I was with my ex, Kate, my son, Hank, and we took a tour of Jamaica. We were in Montego Bay. And what happened was the tour guides, it started off very good. It was just us, a private tour. It started off with, we went down to where the school is, man. And then they went, see here, this is where Usain Bolt first learned to run. And we were like, that's pretty cool.

We took some photos photos you know what i mean and then like the third thing on the trip was this is the airport people fly here from all over the world and kate was taking photos and i went we have airports kate didn't you fly in on that air to that no no we came in in a boat okay We came in in a boat. Oh, okay. We came in in a boat. And they go, this is the airport. Think of any country in the world. They all come from there to here. That's what fucking airports are.

And then the guy brought us down to me and goes, this is one of the finest schools in all Jamaica. It has two computers. That was an actual quote. It has two computers. And I and i went oh they're about to take over the jamaicans and then we had some red stripe and some jerk chicken and that was the end of the fucking tour so i'm gonna say that it's not you're not in a uh what's that who's that lady with the flowers in the background? So I'm not going to say that you're a professor of some kind. I'm going to say, okay, so you're... By the way, a Jamaica member from our Olympics podcast,

they have per capita. I think he mentioned it was probably Jamaica. I know what this is. Highest per capita Olympic medals. Sorry, I don't want to call you a camp. That's just my way. I know who you are. You're a bobsled coach no i would have been down we should do a bobsled episode sure okay well

bobsled every week when forrest texts me what should we do next week i'll be like bobsled that would have been a good episode the whole episode is this run really fast get in and then just just close your eyes yeah i think that's hope for the best uh okay um all right uh give him some clues i'll give you some clues um uh eric is involved in something that he he's an expert in something that you partake in. How about that? We all really enjoy it. Oh, we all really enjoy it.

You gave it to me the first time. No, you don't give clues. It's anal sex. You don't give clues. Anal sex with Jack. He's an expert in anal. Thank you, Eric, for being here. Degrading women's money.

Jack's making it too easy. I gave you as a present? No. Nobody ever calls an anal a present, by the way. It's more of a surprise. You're an expert in herpes.

Yeah, that was not a gift. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Every year I get reminded not a gift. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Keeps on giving. Every year I get reminded about your gift. I'll give you a hint, but this hint will only make sense to me and Jim, okay? Burger rings. Oh, you're an expert in magic mushrooms.

Yeah, there you go. What the fuck? Okay, there's a story there, so hold on. Let's break this down real quick. That's correct. I thought we were going to be on Magic Mushrooms. Do we get an explanation? Yes.

First of all, let me introduce you. Eric Osborne is the founder and president of both MycoMeditations, a legal psilocybin therapeutic retreat, and Pledge, that's P-L-E-D-G, Inc., a 501c3 sponsoring minorities and first responders for psilocybin therapy eric is also the host of the psilocybin chronicles podcast where he interviews individuals about their experiences with psilocybin therapy and is the founder and ceo of the magnificent mushrooms a legal psilocybin and gourmet mushroom farm in jamaica his social media handle is at spores spreader spores spreader sorry we took mushrooms two days

ago and and we ate a bag of burger rings what the fuck are burger rings what aren't burger rings burger rings are an australian snack that are like uh funyuns but they're circular and they meant to have burger like flavors i don't know what a burger flavor is because a burger can have so much on it they taste like all the stuff that't know what a burger flavor is because a burger can have so much on it. They taste like all the stuff that would be on a burger that would be flavored like the burger, like the lettuce, tomato. I mean, you know how it starts to taste like a burger?

That's what the burger rings taste like. And they're like chips that come in a bag. No, they're rings. Yeah, like in a bag like Chris, yeah. And they're an Australian delicacy. Delicacy? Yeah, we have Vegemite, we have burger rings. You guys are crushing on food.

And we have Twisties, which Forrest doesn't try to twist. Chicken Twisty. Chicken or Cheese Twisties, but I'm a chicken. I was so high the other day eating Burger Rings and all that stuff, and then I said, I'll see if I've got any Twisties in the cupboard. And Forrest went, what's a Twisty? And I outrageously said, you haven't tried a cheese chicken twisty. He was very angry with me.

I was very angry. So the next day when I was coming down off the mushrooms, I ordered some chicken twisties for you, Forrest. They're coming on the way. I love how creative Australians are with their food. Burger rings and chicken twisties. They're just like, okay, here's the flavor and what it looks like we'll just call it that a burger ring is very good josh adam mars was eating a lot of burger rings in our house we had like a big family pack of them

we went through the whole thing yeah and it's not like weed it's not like weed where you'd actually enjoy them we were doing it for scientific reasons jack's the only person i know that eats as much as he does on mushrooms. Like I've never seen a person eat more, but he never is without food in his hands. Oh, I was taking mushrooms with Jason John Whitehead and I got a little bit peckish. And so I bought two fat sow sandwiches.

Now for the people who don't live in America, who don't like fat sows, fat sows is a sub shop where they put, you think of a sandwich and then think of every food you've ever known. They put it all on at once. Fat Sal's is fried egg, chicken fingers, mozzarella sticks, French fries, philly cheesesteak.

That might be it. It might be like ketchup and mayonnaise. And then they put it in and it's like a big thing and you eat it. Anyway, so I ate it. And then Jason John Whitehead said he was too high to eat his one. And so I ate his one in the morning the second day. Ha-ha! I beat him.

Okay, so you did mention, right, you said, I thought we were going to be taking mushrooms when we did this podcast. We had talked about that. I'd take mushrooms. We've got a drawer of them. No, no, but first we wanted to, because we're going to talk about mushrooms in general and everything to do with them and you know my son's in the house yeah yeah that's it this is the thing this is the thing thing with the single dads and drugs every second week i'm fucked every second so i have my

son for a week where i'm like the best person you'd ever meet. Right. I'm like giving morals and I'm like going and you got to work out and brush your teeth and all that type of stuff. You have a swear jar too. That's full of money. And then the second week, it's just me rolling around in my own feces. So the reason that we did not do that, and we may do a podcast where we do that. We do want to do one. We wanted to give it the respect it deserves, at least with our expert today,

because Eric is going to, we're going to talk about everything to do with mushrooms, but we're going to talk about. So on the second one, we won't have experts. Right. Well, we thought it would be a little bit disrespectful to like sit here and drool on ourselves while we have an expert calling in. Eric, it's Eric, right? Yes.

Eric, sorry, mate. I just, you know, I'm on on mushroom you're holding a he's holding thanos he's holding thanos toy that was on my thing how often do you take mushrooms but we'll get to that okay but we'll talk to him about that but but but but he's also gonna he also wants to talk about uh the therapy and work that he does too so that's that's one of the reasons we did this so so we'll get into it so eric uh we do the same therapy in australia it's called called burger ring authority um eric sit tight and listen to jim he's gonna tell us everything he thinks he knows about matt mushrooms or magic mushrooms and um then when uh i'm gonna prod him

along with some questions and when he's done we're're going to grade him and you're going to grade him on a scale zero to ten. Ten being the best your accuracy. Kelly is going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on, et cetera. 21 to 30. He's spiritually enlightened. If we add them together, 11 through 20 microdose or zero through 10 bad trip. So here we go, Jim.

They're a fun guy. They're all right. Now let's get to air mushrooms. I thought you meant it was a fun guy all right now let's get to eric mushrooms are i thought you meant it was a fun guy i didn't know you were saying fun guy yeah they're a fun guy that makes a fun guy that's that's it should be a bumper sticker yeah why is it mushrooms are a fun guy that make a fun guy i was tripping once and we're a fun gal where's that no no because it won't work because it's fun guy i was was tripping once, though, at my friend's house, and his mom came out, and she's like,

oh, look at a couple of fun guys. And we were like, we were so deep in the trip. We're like, did she say that on purpose? And it just ruined everything. And then Kelly woke up and realized there was no one there the whole time. Nobody was there. I was just on my balcony talking about my trees. What is the psychedelic component of magic mushrooms called i said it 25 times oh um

awesome i literally said it in his introduction 100 times what's the what's the component yeah what is it that makes it psychedelic or that causes you to have a experience on mushrooms oh i have no idea okay i have no idea see i said it in his introduction i want to count like seven times probably yeah but i don't look at things like that i'm just out for fun i don't look at things like i'm a scientist okay um what is psilocybin, psilocybin is the chemical thing that makes you... Is the chemical that makes you... Is the psychedelic component of magic? Psycho can think of magic mushrooms.

Whoa. How did you know that? Make it hard, Kat. What is the recreational value of psilocybin? What is the recreational value of psilocybin? The value is about $50 for about four stems or six stems or whatever I buy. I don't know if that's what we meant, but okay. $50 for four stems.

What conditions can be treated by psilocybin or with psilocybin? Oh, unpleasant people. Okay. Probably PTSD. PTSD. PTSD is something that they reckon they can do it um not enjoying your wife's company okay there's another one that people what about your husband's company doesn't work oh no no no everyone enjoys a husband's company we're men we're men we're a delightful people okay i don't know why women ever divorce men anything else besides ptsd and um it could have something to do with uh not just ptsd

could have something to do with uh anxiety anxiety okay anxiety could be fixed with it and um and and uh the not thinking your friend is a frog-atosis. I don't know what that means. Okay. How does psilocybin work? What they do is they put it in little sacks and they make women's breasts bigger. Now, how does it work in your body?

That's silly. How does it make... It's silicone. Oh, yeah. Forrest missed that joke completely. I did, yeah. I got you, I got you. That's not close at all.

Psilocybin. Let's do that over. We're not editing that out, Jack. No. I can just call you Jack. Oh, no. They're really kicking in. Future Jack.

Do you know how it... I'll take that. Fuck. Your hair looks great. Yeah, you get to keep your hair. Yeah, yeah. What a future... Do you have a time machine?

What do you mean future Jack? Wait, what do you mean you get to keep my hair? What do you mean? Jack's 20 years younger than me. I don't think I understand time machines. Sorry, sorry, Forrest.

If you look as good as Forrest in 20 years, you'll be lucky, Jack. Yeah. That was hurtful for both of you. Jack enthusiastically shook his head. All right, let's keep going. How are magic mushrooms cultivated?

How are they made and harvested? They grow on the ground, man. They just grow on the ground? They're mushrooms. They need a dank area. Dank area. they're mushrooms they need a dank area dank area see the thing is because i i lived i lived in brisbane for a very other than brisbane england yeah i lived in england for a very long time and for there was a little while there just before

about 2007 or 8 where mushrooms were legal in england because the british had a thing where they said you can have mushrooms in a dry you can't have mushrooms in a dry um in you can't they said you can't what was the thing you can't have i don't know how this works so what happened was what happened was they couldn't ban they couldn't ban mushrooms because mushrooms grew everywhere in England because England was the perfect environment with the dankness and the fields. And so what they said was they said you couldn't have them in an affected way, right? So you couldn't have them dried out. So what happened is the Dutch came in and in shops in Camden,

they just hydroponically grew mushrooms and then we all bought them for about 40 pounds for a little little bag of them and you'd go in there and there'd be philosopher stones and there'd be the mexican ones and all these different type of mushrooms would all be there and you'd buy them like pick and mix at the cinema you know what pick and mix is this is a trick jim does by the way where he knows one thing and he talks about it for a long time when he doesn't know all the other answers and then the expert's like 10 i think you got a 10 on it um but dankness got it all right dankness my father once who discovered him okay my father once uh he he found mushrooms in the backyard and just mushrooms in australia and he thought

he'd eat them i don't think they were magic i think they were poisonous because my dad was like really really fucking sick oh yeah he's just like oh i was bloody sick oh yeah i wouldn't eat those again or maybe they were and that's what he just thought was being yeah yeah that's the whole thing because that's the thing with drugs right the thing with drugs if you don't know you're taking them yeah then then you think you're dying if you know you're taking them you think think you're having fun. Yeah. Right? That's like with Cosby. Like, if you just told him. All right. Stupid.

Okay. Who was the first person to discover magic mushrooms? Oh, that would have been a caveman. That would have been Korak the Tripper. Korak the Tripper. Korak the Tripper. Okay. I ran that one down. uh how long have people been taking mushrooms for their psychedelic effects oh thousands of years okay but that was that was what happened at the last supper judas didn't even exist no jesus was just like fucking some cunt's gonna fucking betray me

who's that so he's just having a bad trip yeah yeah it wasn't there was only one disciple it was jesus and phil all right uh what is microdosing microdosing is when you take a small amount of mushrooms which is in like capsules or something like that just a little tiny amount and it's meant to steady you out and that's what they do for people with pdc but then a lot of like hollywood executive people or creative people think if they take a little microdose it makes their creativity actually rise you know what i do is i'm maxi dose so my creativity is through the fucking roof, yo. The last time we did it in Vegas, I just remember Forrest had the bag

and you just took a handful and shoved them all in your face. I was like, uh-oh, that's not going to go well. That leads me to my next. And that's how COVID was invented. I was patient. We did get COVID. I had COVID in Vegas.

I think I had COVID in Vegas. We both came back from Vegas and we're just like dead. We did get COVID. I had COVID in Vegas. I think I had COVID in Vegas. We both came back from Vegas and we're just like dead. We were dying. That leads me to my next question. Can you overdose on mushrooms? No, you cannot. You can't overdose on mushrooms. I've given it a go.

Okay. All right. He tries every time. You can't. You can probably have some psychiatric problems or something like that, but you can't overdose. And, you know, you can just trip too hard okay now cocaine you can overdose it's not this ecstasy you can overdose most most chemical drugs you can overdose but like weed and mushrooms you can't overdose yeah you hear that

kids yeah that's that's that's what i was talking about with jim right there he takes the one thing he knows and he goes cocaine and then you throw this you're still doing it you're at about a four right now that's my opinion we'll let all right uh do uh where are we at here um are there any long-term effects why can't you oh what do the dea and fda have to say about mushroom use uh their um moderation everything in moderation that's the that's the the fda's catchphrase is moderation yeah probably is not moderation the d the d are they illegal that's a question are they yeah i think i think they're illegal i think they're like i think they want it's a tricky one mushrooms because you can't really make them unillegal didn't colorado just pass that they're decriminalized or something did that just happen?

Maybe. Colorado do a lot of things. Yeah, I know. Colorado is like, ooh, the air is very thin. I was just there. I might need some mushrooms. Okay. Can I get me a tequila, Jack?

Okay. How are mushrooms used in a healing environment, for instance? You kind of touched on it, but how would that be? a risotto yeah okay i think we're almost done with the question my beautiful girlfriend and our third and our and our third date on our third date things were going well and so i made us a mushroom risotto with with magic mushrooms okay what she didn't know no no she definitely don't say no no no she did know that was one of the our third date i said do you want a magic mushroom risotto and then what she took away from it was oh a man who can cook uh one last question i was cooking more method one more question then we'll get i'll start talking to Eric does religion play a role

in the origins of mushroom use yes religion wouldn't exist without mushrooms because no one would believe that shit otherwise alright we are done with the questions here Eric on a scale of Eric you don't have to answer anything I nailed it

on a scale of 1 to 10, you don't have to answer anything. I know it. On a scale of one to ten, ten being the best, how did Jim do on his knowledge of mushrooms, magic mushrooms? Be fair. Well, he redeemed himself there at the end there, the caveman thing and the religious answer.

I'd give him an eight, I think, honestly. Boo, mushroom, shakalaka. Now, we didn't hit any science. Yeah. We'll get to that. Aside from psilocybin. But for layperson's knowledge,

Wow. I mean, most people still think you can overdose for mushrooms. So that's great. You can't. Let alone. You just made him more confident. You can't. Like I said, you can't.

You can't. You can't. You might lose your reality for the rest of your life, but you can't overdose. Kelly, how did he do on confidence? This is the first episode where I don't feel like he answered any of the questions but he was confident

that's what confidence is all about so I'm going to give it a 7 7 on etc I'm going to give him a 12 wow best score ever 27 you're spiritually enlightened congratulations

that's the mushroom cap alright Eric 27. You guys are spiritually enlightened. I'm spiritually enlightened. Congratulations. That's the mushroom cap. All right, Eric. Thanks for sitting around there and listening to that nonsense. Who's my highest score? You call it nonsense? Well, I give you a 12, so it helps. This will be a master class afterwards. So the psychedelic component of magic mushrooms is called psilocybin what is

psilocybin exactly jim said it was awesome and no idea to be fair it's good silly simon it's not good it's not good serious simon serious uh what is psilocybin? So psilocybin is the stable molecule that the body absorbs, metabolizes, and becomes psilocin, which actually is what causes the effect. Psilocin and psilocybin, the base molecule for both of those compounds is actually DMT. So psilocybin itself chemically is 4-hydroxydimethyltryptamine. See? Easy. Everybody knows that. This just became a Joe Rogan podcast real quick.

This is interesting to note too in the same vein that it's not just psilocybin or psilocin that is responsible for the effects there are um at least four other compounds baos 16 norbaos 16 a couple of others i'm not going to worry to pronounce right now uh there were four other those are endoles that are active and they do contribute to the nature of the experience okay so what's the difference between a mushroom that we all eat in our food, a magic mushroom and a poisonous mushroom? How can you tell the difference and what's the difference between those three things? Well, telling the difference is more than the scope of this short conversation. There's taxonomy and anatomy that needs to be understood.

You do spore printing and different things to really determine what species it is that you're dealing with. Um, as far as what makes, you know, a mushroom, the mushroom that it is, I mean, different types of mushrooms have different types of poisons. Uh, so like amanitas have, uh, uh, a few varieties of toxins that can kill you very, very quickly. Galerinas are other species that are extremely toxic that have multiple compounds. Some of them are hematoxins, neurotoxins. It just depends on the species that you're dealing with there. As far as edible mushrooms go, you know, they're not poisonous.

They have lots of, you know, vitamins and minerals. That makes them edible if they're not poisonous. They have lots of vitamins and minerals. That makes them edible if they're not poisonous, right? If they're not poisonous, they're edible. Yeah, that works. It sometimes has to do with the genus that you're in. For instance, galerinas are pretty much across the board. The whole genus is deadly toxic. Amanita, there are psychoactives, edibles, and deadly toxic species within that genus complex.

There are hundreds of varieties of psilocybin mushrooms, and not all of them contain psilocybin, or I should say psilocybin mushrooms. That genus is several hundred species it's a magic mushroom about 200 of those species have have psilocybin in them are there any mushrooms that are on the that are on the cusp that are like they're like magic but they might also be deadly like you know like sushi there's that fish that's a great question there's that fish that like like there's that little bit that the rest of it kills you i learned this off the simpsons um but there's that little bit that's really tasty is there a mushroom for mushroom uh enthusiasts where they go oh oh the african the af Humpty Hump. You know what I mean?

Is there one of those? Yes, yeah. Yeah, there's the Amanita muscaria, if you're familiar with the Alice in Wonderland mushroom, the red mushroom with the white dots. It's got the white stalk. Sure, yeah, yeah. I know that from the cartoon, yeah.

The iconic. Yeah, yeah. If you, you know, you can eat those and they will have a psychoactive effect but they can also kill you if you eat too many so they have it's not psilocybin it's iboteroids muscimol is the psychoactive psychoactive compound but they also contain ibotenic acid which is deadly toxic ibotenic acid converts into muscimol, so it can be made completely non-toxic,

but you've got to know how to process the mushroom itself. If you were to eat like an ounce, like 28 grams of those mushrooms, that could kill you. If you were to eat 10 grams, 15 grams, you'll have a great time. Is there a way for us to tell our listeners, is there a way for us to tell our listeners uh is there a way for the human eye like just to be very easily tell what's good and what's bad is there a shape or a color or

something where you go if you see this color don't do it i don't think you should say anything like that i don't know maybe i will defer to eric but i don't think you should because mushrooms there's so many different yeah you you have to know you just gotta know the species i mean yeah like with psilocybin mushrooms if they if they stain blue if they have a purple black spore print and if they are growing in a few different environments then you can guarantee that that is a psychoactive it's gonna got to have all three of those factors. Is there a rhyme that you could do? Like, they grow under a tree, they're good for me.

You don't do that? Because they have them for snakes. Like, it's like black on red, you're dead, or whatever it is. That's one type of snake. It's not all snakes. Grow in a tree, they're good for me. Growing the poo. No.

Not for you. Not for you. They're not good for you. That's what we used to get them. Growing the poo, not for you. Under the tree, good for me. Okay, here's a disclaimer. Do not eat any mushrooms unless you absolutely know what you're eating

because they could kill you. Always buy your mushrooms from a drug dealer. Do not be buying. From your trusted neighborhood drug dealer. Buy locally. Buy locally. Yeah, don't be buying them from someone who's not a drug dealer. Who's that bloke?

Oh, that's a shopkeeper. Yeah. Actually, they're the best ones. I asked Jim who discovered magic mushrooms he said a caveman named Korrek the Tripper that's a really good name

can somebody animate that for us please I'd love to see an animation of Korrek is that true is Korrek the Tripper or is a caveman at least Eric or do we know I'm not familiar with the name but there are Who is Korok the Tripper or is a caveman at least, Eric? Or do we know? I'm not familiar with the name, but there are some of the oldest cave paintings actually do depict psilocybin mushrooms.

So it is a pretty safe assumption that the first... It might be that dicks look a bit different back then. Some mushroom heads. That would be a really... I don't know what would be better, to have the knowledge we have now and, like, be tripping, or be, like, a caveman and not really quite understand everything that's going on and be tripping.

It would be a little bit. No, you want to be a caveman and be tripping. Why? Well, what do we do when we're tripping in mushrooms? Burger rings. And what do we watch? We watch Kath and Kim. We watchath and kim from australia is our program is is our mushroom program of choice very funny show to watch tripping see i feel like when i'm tripping i like go back to caveman and

like i'm a nature person so i sit and just stare at trees and plants and flowers and they like get personalities they're like talking to me i'm like that tree's bad this one wants me to come party like that's that's me on mushrooms so maybe i am you talk to the tree i don't talk to them but i like they they get their own personas like i can feel their energy it's like very hippie dippy what do you think they think of you oh they think i'm a fucking mess the trees in your villa in vegas they were like get out of here scum what's with the tattooed lady um what conditions well i asked what is the recreational value of psilocybin jim said about 50 for four date stems and then i said what conditions can be

can be treated he said uh ptsd ptsd and anxiety also said and it's i want to add it stops aids stops aids why not and then not enjoying your wife's company why have we been keeping this secret covid too everything magic johnson's been tripping for years yeah so so uh how did he do on that one? What conditions can be treated with psilocybin or magic mushrooms? Oh, wow. So much. Psilocybin is good for so many conditions and even for people who are relatively healthy individuals. Of course, PTSD, the anxiety and depression hit that on the head.

Traumatic brain injury, we know that psilocybin repairs neural damage. So there's some, not a lot, but there is some research being done for recovery from traumatic brain injury from athletes and any other form of concussion and whatnot. What else is psilocybin good for? Just enjoying life again, remembering that life is beautiful and amazing and that trees have personalities. Yeah. Fun. Let's see.

OCD, we work with a fair number of people who are suffering from obsessive-compulsive disorders. Yeah, those idiots used to wash their hands all the time. Yeah. I love it. disorders um yeah those idiots used to wash their hands all the time yeah there's a lot of varieties okay but it's just it's it's oh i don't want to say any mental illness because uh there are some who should not consume psilocybin, schizophrenics for one. Stephen Hawking took them and he thought he'd walk again. Didn't work.

Damn. Sorry. Sorry, Stephen. I am tripping balls. Those trees are talking to me. The universe is a tree. The universe is a tree do do we know how it works like what it does to the body to make you feel differently like what's going on there like how does it work jim we actually know we really know very little honestly uh we know that it's a serotonin analog so it fits into the serotonin receptors and that's where all the research is being done. But from our experience, it is much more than that.

And we're working with some researchers here in Jamaica that hopefully we can contribute to a wider understanding of what's really happening. I'm sure you've probably seen the brain scans and whatnot and how connecting different hemispheres of the brain. scans and whatnot and how connecting different hemispheres of the brain. But it is, I tell my guests, you know, and the way I talk about this is this is an entire neurological experience. It's not just happening in your brain. And we know that the gut has more serotonin receptors than the brain. So there's been zero research right now as to what the interaction is there with psilocybin. It's probably a powerful anti-inflammatory because it's similar to so many mushrooms

that have anti-carcinogenic properties. It's probably anti-carcinogenic as well. But because it is illegal, we have not been able to study it to the degree that we should be able to here's the thing now growing up growing up in australia um uh hot country etc and uh i mushrooms weren't really a thing for me growing up now i know every time i mention something like this some australian is going to, fuck you, cut, oh, fucking blah, blah, blah. But my experience growing up in Australia was mushrooms weren't really a thing. And then when I moved to Britain when I was 22,

people were taking mushrooms a lot because they grew in the fields and all that type of stuff. Can they grow in any country or are there just certain places where they really flourish? They grow everywhere except for Antarctica. In Australia there's a species, Solocidae subarganosa, that is really potent. It grows in wood chips and mulch, kind of woody debris, and I know a lot of people down there in Australia that are that are collecting a significant amount of that species during a certain season so they're they're seasonal they have different habitats your dung mushrooms like

cubensis the ones that you probably have there are probably cubensis and they are dung mushrooms right they're in the spring and in the fall, you're more likely to find what are called wood lovers. They are very potent psilocybin mushrooms that grow in mulch. And you mentioned that the documentary, I was in Shane Moss's documentary, Psychonautics, and we picked wild psilocybe ovoideosus didiata in there. And you can see that they are literally growing in playgrounds. There's just kids running all around,

and there's thousands of psychedelic mushrooms right there at everybody's feet. Were they kids or were you just doing mushrooms? They were elves, sorry. Microdosing. I think Jim got this right. It says you take a small amount and it helps steady you get up with ptsd executives in hollywood i didn't know that for sure but i just like the like i cracked the code with an educated guest when forrest said micro i went oh a small um can you micro dosing is what i contribute during an orgy

micro dicking yes kelly we got one in there i have a small penis can you talk about micro dosing a bit and is that really effective for people do you is that something that you deal with that uh your facility and stuff or uh so i'm not the biggest proponent of microdosing uh you know like it doesn't do any harm it is really ripe for placebo a microdose is uh a tenth of a gram of psilocybin and most people start to you know feel the effects at like a gram to two grams of mushrooms so a tenth a tenth of a gram is so so small but there are a lot of people that report you know great benefit and whether it's placebo or not you know it's not doing it's it's doing nothing but good um as far as the therapeutic value which that's what my interest primarily is i believe that's where the micro doses really are extremely valuable okay i need to go to the bathroom can we put an edit point in right here um okay uh

don't play with the cat toy. Here we go. So. What am I holding? Did you take mushrooms? I need to know. No, he did not. I'm not holding anything.

You don't want to do fucking mushrooms. So. We talked about microdosing. What is... Ah, Kelly bear. I'm saying that because you actually look like a bear right now. Oh, I do? Thanks. What? So we talked about...

I had a dream about a four-foot bear. Oh, did you? Like a little tiny bear that was running around my room. Was it Ted? It was after mushrooms. Oh, well then there you go. Forrest is getting upset, everyone. Well, I'm just trying to, you know, get the podcast back on track.

Forrest is destroying comedy gold. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those will be the comments. He cuts Jim off every time he's about to say something funny. What's he talking for? Well, you're an idiot if you don't know what I'm talking for. That's the comments that we get. Okay.

So. Why does Forrest talk? To stop Jim from shitting himself. So we talked about microdosing. What is a what's what is a dosage that is effective for you to take if you want to have psychedelic or the magic mushroom effects? And so how much would that be? What do you suggest? Like, what is that you were generally a palm say? A palmful, isn't it?

A palmful. It's so different for everybody. I think it is a good idea for most people to weigh their dose so that they know what they're working with. Jim's method of grabbing a handful of mushrooms is only for the professionals, I would say. So how would I weigh that? I assume that I would weigh myself,

and then I would go back on the scale holding the mushrooms and then I'd be able to tell the difference in weight and that was how I'd figure out where the weight was. That's a really sensitive scale. I can't think of a better way. Or you could just get a little kitchen scale

that lets you weigh the grams. Most people like three grams. He would break that scale. Yeah, if I stand in that little kitchen scale. I'm too heavy for that. What I really need is two kitchen scales, one for each feet, and then I add the two numbers up together, and then I hold them up. It couldn't be easier.

This is really good. It's a work. Or I go up to Ralph's and you weigh your vegetables and i sit in that yeah yeah a little basket they go what are you doing and i go wait before they go that's not the right way and i go of course i'm gonna weigh in the bag later i'll put the bag in later and then i'll add that on to it i'm not a fucking moron. I want to see the TMZ article on that.

Comedian Jim Jeffery. Jim Jeffery? Sorry, I did mushrooms. Let's talk about growing them. Jim said you need a dank area. Yeah. Dankness. Yeah.

I have several in my underwear. Oh, Forrest man you got your work cut out for you buddy yeah my girlfriend licked my balls she was high for weeks oh fuck alright what was the question who knows the question was can you lick my balls and do it safely it was about growing them like how to cultivate them harvest them that kind of stuff like where's they growing lots of different i guess you said they grow in a lot of different

areas but i guess dankness, they have to be moist? Dank is better. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lots of fresh air. So dank does not imply fresh air. Mushrooms need a lot of fresh air. So you'll get them out of my ears. So your ball sack is not going to happen there.

So high humidity, lots of fresh air, appropriate temperatures, Your ball sack is not going to happen there. So high humidity, lots of fresh air, appropriate temperatures, and a light cycle, a 12-hour light cycle. My balls would never work. You have to be on your asshole. Just off topic, I'm a very pale man. I'm probably the most pale Australian that ever lived. And my dick and balls is my only bit of my body that's seen the sun the least. Seen the sun the least.

Also, my darkest bit of skin. How does that work? That might be a condition. I've never tanned up my balls or dick. I've never tanned them up. And they're very dark. It's like if I was a chicken, they'd be my thigh meat. God, I did not need that visual.

Hey, Eric, can you overdose on mushrooms? Because I'd like to right now. I've got something for you. So I think you mentioned you say you do they grow in the forest can you overdose on mushrooms i think you said no or is it can you well you cannot die uh from mushrooms it would take it would take your body weight in fresh mushrooms to actually have a toxic effect. But you can be fucked up for a long time if you take way too many. Psychologically.

Way too many is what? You know, there's this one guy that just passed away. His name is Kalindi. He was taking something like 30 grams of psilocybin at a time. We dose people here anywhere from three to 20 grams. What was his name again? In short, no, you cannot die from psilocybin. What did you say that meant?

His name was Kalindi. Kalindi? Kalimbi. Kalimbi. Kalindi. He was never going to be president, was he? No. Maybe. You never know. Oh, no, Kalimbi's from Jamaica. Oh, president, was he? No. Maybe.

You never know. Oh, no, Kalindi's from Jamaica. Oh, no, now I've just been racist. I thought it was just like, my name's Kalindi, man. You thought he was a Canadian hippie? Okay. All my drugged out characters are all Canadian.

Yeah, that's true. Are they legal anywhere, mushrooms? They're legal in Jamaica. They're legal in Vietnam. Psilocybin itself is legal in Holland, but the mushrooms aren't legal. So the truffles or the philosopher's stones, that's what you get in Holland.

They are legal in Mexico under the auspices of a shaman, and in Brazil under the same pretext as well. I took Philosopher's Stones in Holland. What's Philosopher's Stones? They're just like truffles, truffle mushrooms. So they're not like over the ground ones.

They're under the ground ones. And I took these and it came out after the movie. It wasn't like, and the Philosopher's Stone, the Harry Potter film came. It wasn't like they named it after and the philosopher's stone the harry potter film it wasn't like they named it after the mushrooms yeah i don't think there's a philosopher so the philosopher's stones i took i took them in i wish i didn't know that answer i took them in holland maybe 15 years ago or 14 years ago and i was so fucked up in a bar and i was like where's the cigarette machine and i went to buy some. And you know how cigarette machines have those little flaps

that you've got to push? But I couldn't figure out the theory. I'd paid the money. I heard the cigarette packet fall into the bracket. But the theory of the flap that you had to push back like this. How do I get to you? And so I was just feeling it like it was a wall. Like, ah, there's no holes.

And this is how cool Holland was. There was about 80 people in the bar, and they were all just pointing and laughing at me in fun. They were like, ah, this guy can't find the hole. And then when I got the cigarettes out, they all cheered, and I danced around. I like that you called it the theory of the flap. The theory, yeah.

You know the theory of how a mechanism... You know some vending machines just have the hole. I know what you're talking about. You just have the hole, and then there's the other hole that pushes it like that. I know. And they have the push flap, so it pushes up like that,

so you can't reach your arm under. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I couldn't figure out how that... It's not a theory. It was an eight to eight hour ordeal. An eight minute to eight hour. Okay. That leads me to the next question that we didn't ask.

Like, what is a bad trip or are bad trips a thing? Of course, bad trips are things, man. He's having one right now. He's too angry with me. You can have a good trip and you have a bad trip a good trip is holland a bad trip is new zealand can apprehension or a bad mindset going in oh no bro what are you talking about new zealand we have good times we film the hobbit bro so don't be upset with us oh no no why are you being mean to us we have lots of good things we have lowest rate of covid anyway can can a bad mindset going in like influence a bad trip is that like like do people have them like you know is that like how does

that work like why do people have bad trips because i don't think there is i don't think there's a bad trip i think the only bad trip is is if somebody gets like physically hurt you know yeah i had a bad trip couldn't bury it you're saying even if you have there are definitely difficult trips but then usually the difficult trips are the most rewarding. And that's pretty consistent. People that work with psilocybin regularly and even the research says the most challenging trips have the best long-term results. Because you learn more from your mistakes. Hey, these are the only two options in life.

You win or you learn. Wow. Put that on a fucking T-shirt. You win or you learn. There is no losing. There's just learning. Okay. You mentioned.

So, I mean, you can have a mushroom trip where you're certain that you're dying my basketball coach in school said to me you miss 80% of your shots he was just giving you the stats this is why you're on the bench that was a good joke I gotta thank myself I'm very good this is why you're on the bench that was a good joke that was a great that was a good joke i gotta

i gotta thank myself i'm very good um for all you people listening to the podcast thank you for all you cunts who don't fuck you they'll never hear that yeah the people who aren't listening to this podcast who the fuck do you think you are this will this will be the feature clip for this episode? Definitely. Eric, you mentioned a shaman earlier, like in Mexico. They're legal if you have a shaman. What is a shaman? A shaman is typically known as an indigenous healer that uses altered states of consciousness to heal.

An indigenous healer of what country? Where are they indigenous? Well the term shaman actually came from Siberia, the Tungus people and has from what I understand there's multiple kind of interpretations of what the term means. Those shamans were actually mushroom shamans and then you know around the, you have different indigenous cultures where they have healers that, that term has been applied, you know, across many different ethnic groups.

But it originates, again, with the Siberian shamans. And is Siberia a place? Is Siberia a place? Is Siberia a place? Jim's not good with geography. Yes. Yes. Siberia is a place. Wow.

Learn something every day. Do you consider yourself a shaman? Do you call yourself a shaman? Absolutely not. Okay. What do you consider yourself a shaman? Like, are you, do you call yourself a shaman? Cause you have like the, Absolutely not. Okay. What do you consider yourself at home? We, we, we use the, we, we use the term facilitator mostly because you know, the, the mushrooms do the work and we are there just supporting and facilitating the experience for people. I do usually consume mushrooms alongside with my guests, you know, just to get us like all

on the same wavelength. And there are definitely, I think of it like a landscape, right? Like the landscape of psilocybin is something that I'm extremely familiar with. So taking people through that landscape, if you will, and helping them kind of navigate it, make the best out of what comes up. And, you know, you asked for us about your mindset going in, which has a huge, huge factor, huge role to play in the nature of the experience. And, you know, we spend a lot of time preparing people for their experiences, but we're not always trying to create like the most like happy-go-lucky mindset.

People are coming to this medicine with us to really do some serious work to recover from very, very serious trauma. I mean, I've worked with people who have been, you name it. And so we find it valuable to spend time really reflecting on those experiences that brought you to this place so that when you go into into this landscape, if you will, that you're you're prepared for what can come up and you're better able to to just kind of see to observe it and move through it without getting stuck in the lubes or or hung up in the fear and the anxiety that can come on a high dose mushroom so is it wrong that whenever i give people loved ones of mine or friends of mine the same thing when i give friends of mine mushrooms at my house i always start with the sentence your parents hated you your girlfriend's cheating on you one day you will die here's some burger rings

it's a great pep talk because everything's up from there everything's up so I start you low I start you low I start you low I always say hey Forrest your heart's not always going to work.

Mushrooms. Here you go. Now sit on the scale. Now sit on the scale and take these mushrooms that I've dipped in cocaine. Oh, no. Too strong. Oh, boy. You're going to owe Hank some money for that one.

It doesn't click in. I really broke that, Jack. What the fuck did you do? What have you been doing to that? I just killed Thanos, dude. I just put that in a drawer where my son won't see it. And then we have to convince him that that toy never existed. Get some mushrooms

so if we were to come to it's really fucking broken man this isn't coming back that's over how do I break that man I don't know bad design

I'll break this one back to the podcast would we be would you like to go to Jamaica I've been to Jamaica I saw the airport No no I saw the airport

Would you go again Like to Eric Eric was talking about Possibly having like A comedian's retreat And this is where Eric killed

All the comedians And still John's playing Still John's playing In the background Ding ding ding ding Ding ding ding ding Ding ding ding ding

Ding ding ding ding Ding ding ding ding I think we should all go to a retreat Feeling dead Would you be interested in doing a retreat like that? I would be interested But I have what you call responsibilities I have to take mushrooms here Not in the covid world but uh um all right uh eric this is a part of the podcast called our dinner party facts i'm not sure if you didn't have one of these that's fine if you did uh it's

a time when our expert our guest gives our listeners something that they can use to impress people with their knowledge of the subject so do you have something that maybe you think most people don't know about magic mushrooms or mushrooms that you could tell everybody ah well do you all know that the the uh persona of santa claus is actually based on the siberian mushroom shamans I think that's fascinating table talk. Continue. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought, okay, so his suit came from Coca-Cola. We learned that last. Sort of came from Coca-Cola, yeah. All right.

Are you ready? Yeah. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute before you start talking. So you're telling me. Let me get this straight.

You're telling me that a man who lives in the north pole with reindeers who has a whole lot of reindeers that can fly was somehow derived from drugs and i think not all right silly. Give me a theory. Surprise, eh? He was only a saint because he delivered so much psychedelic mushrooms to the community. That's why he was ignored. The story of Santa Claus is based on these Siberian shamans.

You can still find YouTube videos of one still today. Her name is Tatiana. And they dress red and white like the mushroom. Okay. They dress red and white like the mushroom. The mushrooms fruit in a circle around pine and spruce trees because they grow in a symbiotic relationship with these trees. They fruit during the winter solstice. And so you can imagine these pine and spruce trees because they grow in a symbiotic relationship with these trees. They fruit during the winter solstice. And so you can imagine these pine and spruce trees

encircled by red, orange, yellow, bright, big mushrooms. And the shaman, they would go through the forest, they would collect the mushrooms, they would hang them in the bowels of the trees to start drying as they were like, because when you find these mushrooms, you find a fuck ton of ton of them and so they would hang out you'd sit them in the trees so they'd start to dry and then they go through and collect all the mushrooms in the bag carry on back and dry them over the hearth in stockings to finish the drying process uh the the shaman also the the reindeer the whole connection with the reindeer is that these reindeer were like their spirit animals, but also just kind of like a source of their survival. And the reindeer also ate the mushrooms. The shaman would also drink the piss of the reindeer because when you consume this mushroom, it can.

Yeah. So when you consume this mushroom, it converts the abatonic acid to muskmal. And what you piss out is pure muskmal. So people can drink and do drink the urine of the shaman or the red and white sitting on reindeer skin in their trance, jingling bales. And then as further evidence, you have thousands of Christmas ornaments. You 1900s coming out of Russia that depict Santa Claus with the Amanita muscaria mushroom, Santa Claus as an Amanita muscaria mushroom, and of course, Santa always had his elves with him too. So Santa was a psychedelic superhero. Man, that is, out of all of our party facts.

It's your favorite? That's my favorite one. Christmas is going to be a different thing this year. And a happy new year. Yeah, I was looking at the pictures while you were saying it. The shaman, they'll have like the red and the white, like just the mushroom pattern.

Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Why didn't R. Kelly just call himself a shaman? Oh, because of the piss? Yeah. I haven't seen the documentary. I know nothing about that. No spoilers. Well, Eric Osborne,

thank you very much for being with us again. Eric, I enjoyed this very much. Again, you can find them at Spore Spreader on social media. And is there anything else you want to say? Is there a website that you want people to go to for for your organization specifically because I listed a lot of things the Michael meditations is the best catch

all probably get the podcast and everything on there so that's my CEO that's my CEO meditation right as in my ecology yeah and then and again he is the host of the psilocybin chronicles podcast and you can find him at sports spreader thank you very much for being with us eric that was really fun thank you that was a fun time take us away thanks for having me yeah great time ladies and gentlemen have you ever been in a party someone comes up to you and they say something that sounds like it's factual but you don't know anything about it and you don't want to be proved wrong. All you have to say is, well, I don't know about that.

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