I Don't Know About That - Mental Health

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

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to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash IDK Ladders Stairs Which one will go to heaven? I don't know You might find out

I don't know about that I think you've done stairs already But not which one will go to heaven You did, which one was invented going to have. Which one we're going to have. You did which one was invented first, stairs or ladder? Yeah, you saved it. You said which one will go to heaven. It's a new twist.

I'm running out of words. There's a ladder in front of me. It is the most lackluster ladder I've ever seen. It's a two-step. This one wouldn't get a child to a stove. You did say we could go, which one goes to heaven? All right, we've got a good show for us, I've been told. I don't know anything about the guest.

Got to plug some shows. We've just announced some new dates. Also, is this Chicago this week? This week, you're in Cincinnati on the 19th, and then two shows in Chicago on October 20th and 21st. Cincinnati, hey, I'm coming,

Cincinnati, but also Chicago, one of the shows is sold very well and the other show has tickets, so I think it's the first show that's all but sold out

and the second show. The second show, I think it sold the best because that was the first one. Oh, the second show. The 20th is the added show. The 20th show is the added show

that needs to sell more tickets. Get in there. Get in there. It's one of my favorite gigs that I do that needs to sell more tickets get in there and there's a get in there it's one of my favorite gigs and I do every sort of 18 months Chicago there's a fun thing on the stage in

Chicago ah there's something I've got a treat for you a stage production like no other yep I may choose to sleep there I'm so excited also after that I'll be heading off to,

and there's not many tickets left for this. There's three shows. I think one show's sold out, one show's almost sold out, and one show's got a few tickets, but it's not a real big venue. I will be in Galway, and I'm very excited about Galway. I'm going straight from Chicago off to Galway. Going to see a lot of my Irish friends. October 25th through the 27th, you're going to be in Galway.

I was meant to be going to Israel in between. Don't, obviously those gigs aren't happening. Yeah. You know, I don't want to make fun of that situation.

So October 25th through the 27th you'll be in Ireland, Galway, Ireland. Yeah. And then you'll come back and then you're going to New York City

for two shows at the Beacon, the second and third in November. The Beacon one sold out already. The second one is still got tickets. Hershey, Pennsylvania on the 4th.

You got a whole Texas run of Austin, Dallas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma, the 16th through the 18th. And then D.C., December 1st and 2nd. Tysons, Virginia, actually. I'm sorry. Tysons, Virginia. Don't get mad at me. But it is near Washington, D.C.

And we've just announced a whole lot of new gigs that have just gone on sale literally yesterday for 2024. Yeah, a whole bunch of them that include Baltimore, Boston, Sacramento. Los Angeles. Los Angeles, some more Las Vegas shows, Des Moines, Iowa, Kansas City, South Africa, Spokane, Washington, Denver, Charleston, South Carolina, Fort Lauderdale, San Francisco, Los Angeles. So a whole bunch of those.

Go on jimjeffries.com. You can find that. And if you're not in Cincinnati next week to see Jim and you're near Orlando, Florida, I'm going to be recording my new album at the Orlando Improv. That's October 19th. October 19th, one night only. I'll be recording my album at the Orlando Improv.

So if you're anywhere near there, please come out. And I've got to be honest with you. There's a lot of material that you had I think is the best you've ever done. So it's going to be a good album. Thank you. Yeah, so come out to that. And with that, please welcome our guest, Keegan O'Connell. G'day Keegan

now it's time to play, play, play Maybe you don't know why not, let's check it out It's cover That was the singer it was no books being shoved down, the singer had a stroke on the last note of that song

and actually fell over, it's a very tragic story That's really sad Well it sounds like books being dumped but it's not on the last note of that song and actually fell over. It's a very tragic story. Yeah. That's really sad. It died. It died. But, well, it sounds like books being dumped, but it's not. Keegan. Okay, I'm looking at you. That's the gentleman.

Hello, Jack. Hello. I sense it. Are you South African? That is correct. Okay. He's there now. He stayed up late for us.

Oh, wow. What time is it? There we go. So, Ian, you've got a guitar player in the back. Is it the music of Rodriguez who recently died? Sugar Man. That's John Prine, I think. It is not Smith, Jack. That is John Prine.

God, I'm good. All right. Well, I'm going to ask Jack questions. Who's that? He's a musician. All right. He's a musician. I was talking to Keegan yesterday.

I saw the poster, and I told him, my mom really loved Jack Prine. I saw him live when I was very little. My mom took me to a concert. And then when I was a very small child, I knew all the words to his songs, so I was singing the words to him on a playground. I forget what the name of the song is, but the lyrics go, there's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes, and it's about a Vietnam vet that comes back and is a heroin addict.

Oh, dang. And I was singing that on a playground and they called my mom and they said, your son is singing very questionable lyrics

on the playground and it was just all heroin related. I didn't know. Just a great songwriter. It's called Sam Stone. Sam Stone. Sam Stone.

Yeah, that's a good song. I'll tell you all the South African artists I know. I know Rodriguez. Yeah. And I know Jack Sparrow. Jack. And I know Jack Sparrow.

Jack Sparrow. Jack Sparrow. They fucking love Jack Sparrow. It was Jack Sparrow. Like a rap group of guys. It's a dude with a really long hat. Yeah, and it's like, it sounds like Jack Sparrow, but it's Jack Sparrow.

Pirro. Parrow. And one of the members of Jack Sparrow came to see me perform and everyone was so excited. Like, you can't not believe. I'm sorry. I'm going to do the voice all the time, mate. I'm sorry.

It's just how it is. And you can't believe that Jack Sparrow has come. Oh, Jim. Oh, we are very excited. The member of Jack Sparrow. Do you know this band, Keegan? I should also mention I'm going to be performing in South Africa very soon. They've just announced some dates.

Yay. I'm going to be performing in South Africa very soon. They've just announced some dates. So I'll see you soon, South Africa, with all my bigotry and narrow-mindedness that I've shown you in the past. But I look forward to your coming. Okay. Last time you were here, I didn't get to go to your show,

but I saw it through the bits of our Oscar Pistorius and how popular Ligas Running is here. Yeah, it's the number one sport in all of South Africa. We have rugby is number one, number two, legless running. Number two, very close, legless running. How is he doing? Is he out of prison? Is he all right?

Is he doing well? He's not out of prison, but what happened is our prison authorities fucked it up because he was supposed to have a parole hearing. And they then said that his parole date hadn't arrived. So that didn't happen. And then recently, it must be like a month ago, they said that the parole date had actually arrived. So it's coming up at some stage.

But I hope he stays in jail. I hope they let him out, but he's not allowed to have legs or a chair. Like that's the thing. That's the workaround, right? Like you don't even have to have, you don't have parole, no guns,

no chair, no legs. Can he ride around on a skateboard? I'm allowing a skateboard. He can't do too much damage. He still needs to get to the shop. I'm not heartless. Yeah, yeah. He still needs to get around on a skateboard? I'm allowing a skateboard. He can't do too much damage. He still needs to get to the shop. I'm not heartless. Yeah, yeah.

He still needs to get around, right? He can still get his knuckles and drag himself along with his things and just be like, I'll shoot you. Don't worry. I still have anger management issues. Okay. Anyway, so is it Oscar Pistorius? Yeah.

Is that the topic? If it is, that's a fucking banger. Why are we doing Oscar Pistorius? Well, I can do it. We can change it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, wait till he gets out first. Wait till the parole, Lily.

Don't get it done too quickly. All right. So is it music related, mate? It is not music related. I thought the guitar threw me. This is a topic that you have close connection to. You've talked about it many times. Is it Oscar Bistorius?

Ding, ding, ding. I always wonder whether Oscar Bistorius has seen that routine. Like, surely someone had to show it. And, like, I wonder if he was watching it like, fuck me, that is very accurate. Get that to my head. That is fucking me up. Like, that's exactly how it happened.

Jack's doing the accent now. I don't know if that's allowed. I feel like Australian to South African is okay. No, no, no. Me doing a South African accent is the same as a Chinese person doing a Japanese. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's still probably offensive within that circle, but we wouldn't be up here. We can't tell, yeah.

What's that, Keegan? What did you say, Keegan? I said it's not bad, but it's not incredible. But we'll let it slide. Ah, shame. Okay. Oh, no. I don't know what that's all about.

Oh, shame. We do advertisements for a product concerning this. Oh, is it your specialty trimming pubes? I'm pretty good at it. I tell you what, right now I have let myself go. Like, I don't know. You know how sometimes it just gets away from you? And you look down at your dick and you go, how has it come to this?

Anyway, so it's not the longest version of this. Is it mental health? It is mental health. All right. Boom shakalaka. Now, we had an episode on depression before, before people start. We've already done this, but we were talking about mental health in general, but we will focus on a couple of specific things. Keegan O'Connell practiced law in, it's Durban, South Africa, right?

And later started a law firm in Cape Town. He got out of law completely and worked as a salt trader. Then during COVID decided to tell... Wait, wait, wait, wait. We can ask him that in a second. Let me get through this. Then during COVID decided to tell a story of living with manic depression and his book, A Combustible Life, My Ongoing Struggles with Manic Depression.

Currently, Keegan can be found giving talks about mental health awareness and writing on a freelance basis. You can find them on Instagram at O'Connell underscore Keegan and YouTube as well at a combustible life, five, two, two, four.

And his book is called a combustible life. My ongoing struggles with manic depression. You can find it on Amazon, anywhere else you buy books. Thanks for being here. I think Jim wants to talk to you about being a salt trader first of all do you go down the salt mines or is that code for cocaine salt trader so i used to import salt in one-ton bags and i worked out that if somehow i could get a one-ton bag of cocaine i could retire

and 10 generations on would never have to work. But the thing is that I get the salt from Namibia, and the cocaine production market there isn't very good. So it's kind of a euphemism for cocaine, but not really. What was your company? Were you the salt shaker? And you'd come up with that. No.

See? I'm helping his depression. Oh. Yeah, exactly. Well, guys, I'll tell you what. This podcast is, I've listened to a lot of your shows and it certainly does help

when times are a bit dark. Oh, I appreciate it. It doesn't help us per se. It makes us more depressed. I'm glad the audience is having a bit of fun. All right, so you want to ask me questions about mental health? I know what you're going to go, what is mental health? Sure, but I'm not there yet.

First, I'm going to just tell everybody out there. I'm going to ask Jim some questions about mental health. At the end of him answering them, Keegan, you're going to grade Jim on how he did 0 through 10, 10 being the most accurate. Jack, for the first time, is it the first time you're doing confidence? No, it's the second time. You're doing confidence

and then I'm doing how hungry am I, 0 through 10. We'll add those together. 21 through 30, you're going to be, I'm okay, you're okay, Jim. 11 through 20, oh, I'm fine, just fine. And then 0 through 10. You're making fun of mental health. No. Oh, that's very, very poor taste.

I'm sad. Some things you don't joke about. Anyways, mental health's not a person. Hey, mate, are you excited that cricket's gotten into the Olympics? Well, I'll tell you what, Jim, sorry, excuse me. I don't know if you actually follow it.

I listened to your episode on cricket, but it's a World Cup at the moment, and we absolutely fucked Australia up yesterday. Is this one? No one watches one day anymore. One day's dead. No one cares about it. It's over. Now it's all 2020 and test.

One day's the dying form. But, like, I'm excited about the Olympics because it's just going to be good to have Olympics in the town that I live in. So I'm going to have it in LA. And America's going to have to wheel out a fucking team. I just want to go to America versus Australia. I want to see the training sessions. Oh, I want to see the training sessions of Americans just going, which bat do I pick up? Should we shoot a sketch for you to explain cricket to the new American cricket team?

Maybe you don't remember from our episode, but it was the fastest growing sport in America. There was a lot of money being put into it. What? Well, name me an oval in this town. Where are they going to play this fucking sport? Oh, the Pasadena Oval. Oh, good, good, good.

That sounds real. They're also going to do the beach volleyball. Yeah, I want to see them do that. I think the thing is that. The beach volleyball with all the homeless around in tents. What is, what is, Jim? I picked it off a tent. What is mental health?

Mental health is, it's the same as all health. It's how strong and how fit your mind is, whether your mind has clouds over it or whether it's clear sailing. Mental health can also take forms in conditions that we know for sure, like schizophrenia, psychosis, things like this, things that can actually go, we can put our finger on you're doing a b c d and e right but then there's things that are variables like depression is a very big spectrum ranging from people who are manic depressive to bipolar to people who are just suffering

depression on and off to people who need that's enough antidepressants all the time let's stop all right um what good job what is the difference between mental health and mental well-being That's enough. Antidepressants all the time. Let's stop. All right. Good job. What is the difference between mental health and mental well-being? Mental well-being. See, mental health is an actual condition that you can medicate and do little things and see psychologists and therapists to try to ease mental well-being. Sometimes you can date someone who isn't good for your mental well-being. Like, you might be suffering from stress at work or something like that, well-being sometimes you can date someone who isn't good for your mental well-being like you

might be suffering from stress at work or something like that or or you might have what is it what is mental well no but i'm saying you might have a tragedy in your life that is affecting your mental well-being so your mental well-being can be that there's things that have happened to you that put you into a state but that doesn't mean that you're suffering from clinical depression as such and then i don't understand maybe like something like ptsd would actually go under the umbrella of mental well-being rub even though that is a medical condition but that is a mental health thing but it's something that's actually being given to you from an incident rather than something that's genetically in you okay what is depression and what are the symptoms

um depression and the symptoms okay what is depression and what are the symptoms? Depression and the symptoms. What is depression? Start with that. Well, depression, the easiest word for depression is depression. Feeling beyond the blue is one of the charities. Feeling beyond sad. It's normal to be sad every now and again, but it's one thing to be in a hole that you can't get out of, a level of depression that is affecting you and people around you.

And getting to things like suicidal thoughts and stuff like that is a sign of depression rather than just being sad. Okay, so that's what depression is. So some symptoms are suicidal thoughts? Suicidal thoughts. Eating rocks. Like eating rocks. That's from our last episode um not apathy well apathy would be a word but um not wanting to get out of bed that just

not you can't function you can't do things and stuff like that um yeah but sadness is your number one uh compulsive thinking having thoughts that go over around around your head um catastrophizing is another big one for uh mental health where you just you're stuck in there and you keep looping over and over and over again constant worrying i'm like i'm a worrier i worry non-stop if i've always got a certain level of worrying and if that um if that fucking thing gets taken away if i fix that worry that hole will just be filled by the more shit. And I have a few things that are always on standby if the other things aren't there. Sometimes I enjoy a tragedy in my life a little bit because it gives me a holiday from my normal worries.

I know that sounds a bit sick, but I enjoy something else happening, something bad at work or something like that. I latch onto that like, well, at least I'm'm not or something in my personal life will make me not worry about work anymore or vice versa i i take a holiday from my other worries um what happens to a person's brain when they become clinically depressed like in their brain what's going on oh look i'm sure i'm sure that you could see scans and you could see different things but that's um i going to be honest with you. I'm not a doctor. I have no medical training.

How do you have this podcast? I don't know. I've got nothing that links me to the medical world. So you don't know. If anything, doctors have said I'm the opposite of a doctor and to stop showing up. What's the opposite of a doctor? Have you ever seen that movie Catch Me If You Can?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I took care of the bloke who wrote that as a doctor. You showed him. I told him I was a doctor. Serves him right. Yeah, he didn't know anything. How do antidepressants work? Like, again...

Well, okay. So if you were saying in your brain, so serotonin is the thing that you um you lose a lot of serotonin um i know that antidepressants heighten your sense um serotonin but they also do things um uh they uh relieve anxiety and a lot of people have a lot of anxiety i feel like anxiety is a thing in our society now that I might get shit on for this. I feel like it's slightly over-medicated anxiety. I feel like a certain level of anxiety is not bad for you.

You should be worried. You should be anxious. Before you go into an interview, you should be a little nervous. It's worth being nervous. It's a big deal. You did pretty good at the beginning there. I think because of how they work. Yeah, but I think that's serotonin and anxiety reducing.

What is bipolar disorder? Bipolar is... And it has another name. Do you want me to tell it to you? It's the same as manic depression. Yeah. And bipolar is the lows are extremely low and the highs are very high. And so you're manic.

I can do anything. I can take over the world. I can take over the world i can take over the world yeah yeah and and and sometimes bipolar people very fun to be around if you catch them on the right day fun people and i've often wondered is that my i have a family member who has that and i wonder where that's where i'm i sit but it's such a spectrum of stuff you know so i i I but bipolar high highs low lows erratic behaviour

what's the difference between bipolar 1 and bipolar 2 in the second one the Terminator is a good character wait was that number 2

yeah yeah throws you out in the first movie he's killing everyone and then he comes to protect her different director though that's James Cameron in both.

Did he do both? Yeah. I can't remember. Yeah, James Cameron made both of those, yeah. Okay. That's it. I think he just did T2. Is that your final answer?

No. No, he didn't just do T2. Let's have a Terminator episode to prove Jack wrong. Yeah, we got to do Oscar Pistorius and Terminator right that time. Have Arnold Schwarzenegger as Oscar Pistorius. Easy. Why didn't you say that before? And to make the movie an Oscar-worthy movie, it's called My No Foot.

Right? It's called My No Foot. David A. Lewis. No, because Arnold needs this. I can't run anymore. I want to run, but I cannot run. Oh, no,

not the flipper. Oh, I'm bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. What is schizophrenia?

Schizophrenia is, well, the classic schizophrenia is believing that you're different characters. So you can think for one minute you could be a 46-year-old man and the next moment you think you're a 26-year-old woman

or you think you're... I might get politically in trouble for saying any of this right now. You think you're different people from time to time and you can slip in and out. But I may be a little bit wrong i know that other people have schizophrenia have things where they think the tv's talking to me and things like that there's little other little nuances to it where they're hearing voices so it's like hearing voices and thinking you're multiple personalities i think the schizophrenia is more the hearing

voices so you can be like the the devil told me to go kill people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's very hard to know. That's what all the grays on mental health is. If you watch any true crime thing, every crime is, was this person mentally sound when they committed these crimes? And the argument is that, okay, so Jeffrey Dahmer,

anyone who kills this many people obviously isn't mentally sound. But it's a spectrum. What is psychosis? Yeah, psychosis, psychosis. Psychosis is more when you believe you're in an alternate reality. So what is around you and what everyone else deems to be correct isn't what you believe to be correct. And it's so dangerous because the people who are going through psychosis often think that

somebody's speaking to them or something or you're the devil and you're a good person. And this is the bit that's terrible. And for everyone to think about that's in their car right now, are you truly in your car or are you like that movie shutter island where the person next to you is a nurse and they're just helping you out every day because you're fucking nuts what is electroconvulsive therapy and electro uh therapy was something that they used to do to give to people with um uh bipolar uh situation and there is arguments that it does work and i've actually talked to uh well i think i can say i've talked to um dr drew about this before because and so you see it in the movies very

ghastly the rubber in the mouth they and they're meant to fry that bit of the brain or whatever and it's and but it's the same theory of chemo let's kill everything and i hope the cancer is the thing that goes first and then we'll regenerate the rest of the shit after the cancer's gone right which i know is a very basic way of saying what chemo is but i think that's what that i'm gonna say that's what chemo is yeah so i'm gonna say that that electric electrotherapy is the chemo of the brain okay you like doing that you like trying to come up with something on there that's like the time one you're never gonna be time i'm getting fucking 10 points bro time you're never gonna be your time

answer time is the distance of existence you're never gonna beat that answer that's i don't think you've ever topped that on this podcast um what recreational drug is used medically to treat depression uh so people now are saying that MDMA can help out and then they're saying ketamine can help out, ketamine therapy can help out. But LSD has been used way back in the day. So it's not just one drug. There's been several tests on several drugs.

I think, look, for me personally, I had self-medicated um with depression and um i would say you know alcohol does it for a short distance i always thought that i was like bipolar but alcohol just sent me a bit crazy you know it just became a wild guy it probably helped my comedy career a lot like like i will give this to alcohol it gave with one hand and took with another from me there was there was definitely some moments that alcohol made me go above and beyond where people came and saw me and went this guy's out of his fucking mind you have to see it do you have a big alcohol moment like this this could not have been alcoholic cost is my best special and i was blind

drunk and it's it's the best one not according to the manager of the Irvine Improv. What do they say? I don't know if he still talks about it. When I first moved here, you did like six sold-out shows there. Yeah. One of the shows, you drank a lot. Yeah.

And there was a point where you were doing your set and then you bounced a pint of beer on a person's head and continued doing your set. And he was like, it was amazing. He still did his set

and the person stayed still and then you kept drinking the beer. And they were happy about it. The Irvine Improv was not angry with me. No, no. Everybody was happy. That's the whole thing. The fan was into it.

These are the highs. I was saying this about alcohol. Best shows I ever had, I was blind. Like these shows that were like, there was like just a vibe in the room where I could do no wrong. Where I was just so quick-witted. Because you say things without thinking when you're drunk. Boom, boom, boom. And I was so on fire at some shows, and the vibe was so good.

Best shows I've ever had. Also, diabolical shows. I had a show in England once where I cried and told them all to fuck off before camera phones. How many people were there? Oh, like 800. You were crying? Oh, you don't know me.

You can all fuck off. You're doing a reel you don't know me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You all show up here and you fuck off. That was a good episode to talk about it on. I was a disgrace. That's so cool. I had a girlfriend at the time who had to drive me home, and I was a disgrace. That's so cool. I had a girlfriend at the time who had to drive me home

and I was like, this is alright, right? And then I passed out. We're alright, right? What a fucking disgrace. What a fucking disgrace. I don't want to say his name, but he's a comedian. He was famous at one point, not as famous, but

Orlando and I did a show with him years ago and he had a breakdown at the end, but he was famous at one point not as famous but Orlando and I did a show with him like years ago and he had a breakdown at the end but he was I think I can get he was talking about

emotional stuff and then like people were like is he gonna come out can we give him a we want to give him a hug whatever you know and so we walked back

I was like selling a shirt and I walked back and he goes hey you guys want to go to Bruce Chris Steakhouse tomorrow my treat and I was like nah I know what you're doing

now I'm gonna take you to steak dinner don't mention this to anybody else who was I miss that guy who was Walter Freeman he was Freddie Freeman's dad and and he's fucking disappointed. Freddie, I'm your biggest fan, but come on, man. Come on, bro. Bro. We're one in 15. You've got to do better.

I don't know why you're doing that for a baseball voice. Oh, bro. I don't know. Okay. Why did you get upset with me? You don't know who Walter Freeman is? I don't know who Walter Freeman is. He's the godfather of mental health. Okay.

He helps people out. He's like Sigmund Freud's mentor. Hey. Hey. If you're listening to this podcast, this is a good ad, right? If you're dealing with stuff, right? This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Look, you already listened to the podcast.

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Okay, next question. What is a lobotomy? Lobotomy is when you take the crucial thinking part of the brain out of the brain, making someone into basically like a zombie-like thing but keeping them alive. Why do you do that? You've never seen Planet of the Apes? It's to control people. I just know you tell me I look like a Planet of the Apes

It's because of your facial hair You look like the apes Because that's how your hair grows in Around your face like this You don't have a moustache But you still persist I've seen the new Planet of the Apes I haven't seen the old ones

No, no, no The old ones are brilliant, man I watched all of them They're fucking good Still good? Yeah, man Everyone's like Oh, the apes are rising up

It's like And then the other ones are like Oh, the apes are rising up. It's like, and then the other ones are like, oh, the rapes. Oh, fuck it up. What movie are you watching? You don't want to see that movie. It's a tough watch. All right, the apes. It's like, no one goes, oh, these apes are about to take over.

And no one goes, and they also have human bodies. When did that happen? It's like, they went from being in the circus to being like, I'm Dr. Zaius. Yeah, you wouldn't get rid of that part. You would keep the human head and get the ape body because you could do all the strong stuff. Grow a thumb and then move on with your life. Yeah. Okay, two more questions here.

What is the difference between suicidal thinking and being suicidal? Suicidal thinking is thoughts of suicide. And being suicidal is when you're planning. And in my experience with people who I know who have done it and thoughts that I've had myself, the people, and I really mean this, you have to watch out. It's normally the people who, they normally talk about it a bit, and you know they're depressed,

and then once they stop talking about it completely, but you still know they're really really sad be very careful around those people watch out for them because they mean like help them yeah because a lot of people with suicide thinking are crying out for help i'm going to kill myself don't make me kill myself they just want to be talked to and talk to them they just want to be have someone come and take care of them that they're crying out like i'm not well and this might happen if i'm not well and they're hoping that someone notices but they're waving a flag at you where people who

are going to commit suicide once they make their mind up you a lot of times you don't even know about it until it happens um which famous writer committed suicide in 1941 it's a woman i was i was gonna say hitler he was a famous writer he wrote a pretty big book this is a woman famous writer committed to his side 1941 this is like a mary shelley bonus question and how well it's not her oh oh bummer that was way before there's another female how did she do so but we'll'll find out. Agatha Crispy. Oh, Agatha Crispy. Agatha Crispy.

Agatha Crispy. Sure is the menu for KFC. Agatha Christie. Agatha Christie. She fucking, she like disappeared for a while. Yes. There's an episode in Agatha Christie. It's really interesting.

I'll tell you what. So we're on the 1% Club And I have Amos Gill was One of the writers of the show And there was a girl on the show For the first 10 episodes Yeah, first 10 episodes

This episode's already aired And this girl was like So, where are you from? What do you do? What are you going to do with the money? And she goes I write spy novels, erotic mystery novels. I write a lot of erotic mystery novels.

And I have an earpiece in. And Amos has grabbed the microphone from the producer that normally tells me which person to talk to. And he's grabbed it. And he's just yelling, Agatha Ristie. Agatha Ristie. And I didn't get the joke out in time. i went can i have another take at that again it's the only time with a contest i went and what do you do a lot of people don't know you know what a ristie is yeah it's yeah it's a hand job you know it because i've hung around you guys enough yeah

yeah yeah um keegan how did jim do on his knowledge of mental health? The questions we asked him, 0 through 10, 10 being the best Okay, well first off, I have to say that most of your experts are way too generous with the scoring I agree So what I did is I actually added it up on a piece of paper, used a calculator, got a percentage

So it's 6.7 out of 10, but God, are you depressed because no one likes you because you're fucking saying bean with your scoring where's six get the fuck out of here get the fuck out he just rounded down on you rounded down easy with the depression yeah it's different in africa oh yeah yeah it's because of the accent oh yeah yeah cause I took the piss out of his fucking accent you know what I think about that score shame shame

shame well I give him a nine on confidence nine on confidence that's 15 he believed in himself that's 15 I'm pretty hungry

so I'm gonna give a 10 on that I'm okay you're okay Jim you should have ate before for us no you don't remember that cause it's

I know it's technically where you're funny but you're very funny I thought I was very funny yeah but I'm very hungry I don't want to hurt his feelings you don't remember that? Because it's technically where you're funny, but you're very funny. I thought I was very funny. Yeah, but I'm very hungry. I don't want to hurt his feelings. No, don't.

It's how hungry I am. Yeah, it's good. That way if I say, I'm not that hungry, I'll be like, pfft. Yeah, I can tell. He'll do some fat jokes. I don't do fat jokes. He retired from them yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why do we do that physical health episode? I asked him what mental health is. He says, same as health, how strong and fit your mind is. Clouds are clear. Sailing, psychosis, A, B, C, D, and E. He said a lot of things. What is mental health, Keegan? Well, Flores, he pretty much got that bang on.

So I looked to kind of add to that. I'm just going to try and contribute here because that was a great answer. I looked to kind of add to that. I'm just going to try and contribute to that because that was a great answer. But, you know, it's basically your psychological and your emotional well-being. But it's kind of more than that. It's very fucking complicated inside your head. But I suppose you could sum it up as saying your mental and your emotional, psychological well-being.

Yeah. All right. What is the difference between mental health and mental well-being jim says mental health is a condition tragedy affects your mental well-being ptsd well mental well-being yeah yeah also pretty pretty much bang on but you know the way i like to describe it under your under your okay we could maybe it's too late now you've hurt me mental health and the well being

alright carry on yeah sorry under the banner of mental health you would get mental illness and it's the clinical side so that's when people talk about the chemical imbalance so that's when you know people talk of the chemical chemical imbalance so that's when there's an actual medical in your brain whereas mental well-being

is kind of your your mental approach day to day and as jim said you know if you go through some form of hardship and you know let's say you lose a job or a loved one dies if you go through a divorce or something like that you can be circumstantially depressed and so it's not it's not something clinical but you still suffer from the sadness just to give you an example when my dad passed away it was very difficult for my mom as you can imagine and she's never had any mental health issues but she went on to a very small dose of an antidepressant and it really saw her right. You know, she she'd been doing very well and that would be more the mental well-being side. But the antidepressants in that case do still work.

But the lines are quite blurred. And look, I don't know if we have to define the terms. But Jim, another thing you said there about the anxiety is it is over-medicated. Absolutely. Everybody's got anxiety. And doctors are just dishing out pills for it. Well, the thing is, I just think anxiety is one of those emotions. Some of it's for your safety. You should be anxious crossing the road, for example, or whatever.

I do find that mental health, though though it has a fun thing about it where where where if something's good we go that's mental oh i was it was but and then psycho is bloody psycho this thing crazy crazy crazy it was crazy it was so good you don't do that with anything else you don't go i went to I went to this party. It was fucking cancer, bro. It was AIDS. Stage four. It was AIDS. That might be a stage bit. I don't know how I can expand it.

It might be a clip. All right, cut that out. There's a bonus question here I forgot to ask you, Jim. Difference between psychologists and psychiatrists. a bonus question here I forgot to ask you Jim difference between psychologists and psychiatrists uh psychologists uh help uh sort through your brain and try to give you uh avenues to fix yourself closest to that of a therapist where psychologist will um uh the other one will uh diagnose what is wrong for you and can write prescriptions for medications to help you out. Which one can write prescriptions?

One's one and one's the other. I think it's a psychiatrist does write prescriptions. They're an actual doctor, and a psychologist always isn't a doctor. Just a guy. Or a girl, Forrest. Now, now, now. And I will say this. I'll tell you. Okay, so I've been on and off antidepressants. I'm not on them at the moment.

But I've been through. I got back on them after I gave up alcohol because I wasn't self-medicating anymore. I had to deal with a lot of things that I've been blocking out with drink. And then I had to go on antidepressants then for about a year and a half. And now I'm off them again now because I don't try to stay on them forever. But I will say this about the old antidepressants. Can anyone invent one where I can cum as well? Sure, I'll get on it.

Wouldn't that be a treat? Like you've stopped me from being depressed, but if I could shoot some semen out of my dick, that would really move my day along. Let's get to the first question here i'm a psychologist but dick's all battered and bruised if i got a hotel run i'm on bloody antidepressants like work on that doctors work on that we'll get back to that when we talk about antidepressants but right now psychologists and psychiatrists differences keegan is jim close there then i talk about the semen thing first yeah oh sure whatever yeah jump or jump yeah fine jump on it they get very depressed being at sea for so long they never get

to see anyone they're on a boat is that my my teacher it's my one teacher at school always used to say the old joke what's long hard and full of semen? And then obviously it's a? Summary. Yeah. Okay. Cheesy, right? But right. So does semen come? Anyway, so I have never had that problem. So I would like to go into an antidepressant that makes me last longer because I just blasted out after a few strikes. That's because you're from South Africa and they didn't give you pornography until the early 2000s. That's because I think if I was a historian...

During apartheid, they used to cover all the nipples so you cunts couldn't come at all. I know what's happening. And now you're excited because you're just... They did, didn't they? So during my childhood, I was watching hard porn like I know what's happening and now you're excited because you're just like they did didn't they so during my childhood I was watching hard porn and you were watching

just oh look there's a lady's ankle out what am I going to do I understand what's going on mate it's alright I feel sorry for you it's funny I've never met a South African woman I could make come so we're all even I guess the question was to the psychologist psychiatrist I could make come. So we're all leaving. Okay, so the question was to the psychologist, psychiatrist.

That doesn't limit itself to South African women, by the way. That's a universal thing. Just women in general, yeah. All right, so psychologist, psychiatrist. Yes, so psychologist, you can't prescribe medication. They're not a doctor, or not a medical doctor. But, you know, okay, so you need someone like Jordan Peterson, and I'm sure he's not listening, but that man is a psychologist, but he's a fucking simpleton, in my opinion.

I interviewed him. I got along with him all right. I get a lot of bad raps for being mean to the guy. He was perfectly nice to me, but I have not real strong feelings on the man to the guy. He was perfectly nice to me, but I have not real strong feelings on the man either way, but he was perfectly nice to me. Carry on. Yeah, look, I classify Jordan Peterson, Johnny Cash and God

in one category because they're all exceptionally overrated. Oh, now you got me back, big boy. Fuck, I hate Johnny Cash. Did you already know this about me and my passion for not liking Johnny Cash? Fucking useless cunt. There's never fucking, Hi, I'm Johnny Cash. I ain't a man in black.

He's just a fat cunt who's trying to look thin. That's why you're all black. That's why I wear black. That's why we all wear black it's not a fucking special thing just the same fucking guitar how does this how does this how does this relate to psychologists yeah yeah because this made me and him angry and this could be the seed because a lot of people a lot of people with mental health issues there's a god involved and they think god's speaking to them and i don't know but jordan peters is a psychologist is that what you're saying keegan

yeah yeah so he's a psychologist but i think he's got a phd or several of them but he's a doctor of philosophy whereas a psychiatrist is a doctor of medicine they're medical doctor and they can prescribe medication yeah got it all right and uh barry white was a doctor of love yeah you should get an extra half point there do you think you could make south african woman come barry white fucking i doubt it not towards the end he was a fucking sweaty man fuck he was a sweaty man i'm gonna make love to you i think you'll be on the bottom barry i think she'll be sitting on top i don't't think Barry's going to get on top and thrust around too much. Otherwise, he would have killed

a few women in his day. He would have been an accidental fucking serial killer, Barry. Alright, what is depression and what are the symptoms? Jim said beyond sad, a hole you can't get out of. Yeah, Kim, very good answer. Where am I going wrong? Let him answer.

Where have you deducted points? Where have you deducted points? Probably later. All right, Tommy starts talking. You interrupted. We're getting there. We're getting there. It's coming.

But to be honest, I fucked up a question, so I'm going to have to correct something, but we'll get there. That's near the end. All right. Okay. Okay, so where were we? Sadness.

I mean, depression, what is it? What are the symptoms? Okay. So, you know, the way I would describe it, and when, when I go through periods of depression, it's just this fucking horrible, horrible melancholic sadness that just comes from nowhere. You can't explain it. And that's for me personally, over the years. And I really recently began talking about this when i wrote wrote my book because it was something i was very embarrassed about because you're in bed you don't want to do anything but on the surface your life looks fine there's nothing wrong you've got a roof

over your head you've got a job you can eat and you've got friends family but you're so goddamn sad but if someone asks you why you can't tell them so you know that's a very difficult one but the i suppose the medical or medical books that would explain it i mean what's always said is the loss of pleasure in everyday activities but it's also that the constant worry in your mind that's the thing is the constant worry so i feel like i can explain it because i am depressed because in my mind today i I'm a piece of shit. And I did this, this, this wrong. And I'm a terrible person because of things I've done in the past or the way I live my life.

And then the next day, I look back on it and go, you're not a bad person. What are you talking about? You haven't done anything. And it's over obsessing and worrying. And that's why I say if I'm not worrying about one thing, something will come and take over the way there's always something that it is and and you wrote here king because i don't want to say that you wrote this as very succinctly sadness without a reason which is what you said but even more so and but it still is that gem because i mean i've had many conversations with you before like when you've been depressed you know and it's still what

he's saying though like there is you're saying that it's the reason coming from there. But in the end, it really, like, the next day you look back on it, it was like, yeah, it wasn't. Oh, and also it can hit you. It's not like there's an event that happens that triggers. Like, sometimes something triggers it a little bit. But for the most part, you go, oh, it's today or whatever. You know what I mean?

But sometimes that, let's give it up for bed, man. Because sometimes. Give it up for bed. A couple of days in bed man and i'm all right and it's like if i have depression on the road sometimes that hotel and fucking drawing curtains is all i need you know at home i can't really i feel like i almost slip further into depression because i have to because i'm a dad and i have to pick the kids up from school and i have to make sure everyone's safe and I have to work.

You know what I mean? If I can sometimes have a little vacation and just process, process, process, I can get through it. But sometimes I find it harder to get through if I can't be by myself. But also, sometimes I believe, and this is going to sound terrible, and I don't mean this if you're depressed right now. I don't mean this as a knock or an insult to you, but it's somewhat of a selfish condition.

It feels selfish in the sense that, woe is me, why am I sad? Because the reality of it is there's people in war zone countries, there's people who are born starving every day, and I'm in a nice house fucking in bed going like that right so so i i i i sometimes feel so guilty when i have it because i i know deep in my heart that everything's okay and i shouldn't really be doing this and it feels

somewhat so i'm not saying you're selfish but that's like a symptom that i have where i feel selfish while i'm doing this, and that makes me hate myself as I'm doing it. Is that a common thing, the feeling like it's a selfish thing? Is that just with me? No, Joe, absolutely. You know, it very much so. It is selfish, and I put my family through it.

I love a lot. And, you know, it's not like we want to no that's just giving an example when i lived in playtime um i got really up and ended up in a psychiatric hospital and when i was released i moved in with my parents and i was a nightmare and you know they were there seeing me fall apart in bed and another thing i don't know if you you have this but it's irritability and the people that are closest to you are the ones that kind of you know irritate you but also you've got your loved ones worrying about you and as you say there's people in wars and sick people etc and

this thing is difficult to reconcile that their life is so much worse off than yours but here you are being a little miserable cunt in bed and you can't kind of explain it. I think that's sort of what you were saying. People I don't know, I don't love enough to be rude to. Although I find a way. Love finds a way. Hate finds a way. What happens to a person's brain when they become clinically depressed? Jim said he's not a doctor, in case you guys didn't know.

In case you don't know. Well, I'm not. So what happens in the brain there? What's going on? Okay, so nor am I a doctor. However, the explanation that I'm going to give to you comes from my psychiatrist, who is, of course, a doctor. Now, I gave him my book to proofread and

he was happy with this explanation so if there's any medical professionals out there i just need to excuse myself first that it is very colloquial it's very lay person type so okay having said that and so the best way that i can explain it is, you know, you've got these electricity whizzing around in your brain all the time, telling you what to do, etc. So if you picture two electrical wires, or you can sort of take your two forefingers, and if you put them really close together, but not quite touching, there's a little gap there. Now in the brain, that's called a synapse.

Some people pronounce it synapse. And that gap has to be bridged by the little spark and when that gap cannot be bridged the light the hypothetical light sort of flickers on and off now it's the serotonin that carries a little spark across and when there's not enough serotonin or it gets absorbed too quickly by wire one then that's when things get factor the message can't get across properly so just to give it another explanation and this is probably even even more late person but imagine you are on a phone call and you're asking your mate for directions and he said or she is saying you know you take a left here take a right there go straight this robot blah blah blah and the phone

line is very clear you write it all down 100 you can get to your destination but if it's all crappy and you can hardly hear and you say what what's this future set was that left was that right what those that's kind of garbled directions and you won't be able to get there correctly. It might, you know, you might sort of go the long way around, I suppose you could say. And that's akin to a bit of a fucked up mind from a mental health or a depression point of view. So I hope that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. That was well explained.

Yeah, very much. And then so how do antipressants work? Also, I have to say your hands. Do you get pedicures or manicures? Your fingernails and everything, delightful. Put them back up for us. I don't see them, no. Put them back up when he's doing it.

Look at those. Wow. They're lovely. And it's like you shave the back of them or something. They're all smooth and everything. Bloody lovely hands. Holy hell. I think I was just born with them.

Ah, yes, yes. If I had hands like that, I'd never be sad. So how do antidepressants work then? That's a good... So the simple answer is that they increase the serotonin. And you may have heard of the term SSRI, which is, I'm going to have to read it off my patio because I can't remember the show.

So it's selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors yeah so kind of what happens is if we go back to the electrical wires is it's that serotonin that helps get the spark across but then it gets reabsorbed by the one the wire that's kind of like sending the spark and the what the antidepressants do is they try to inhibit the reuptake so basically they are allowing the serotonin to hang around for longer to get the message across more effectively i should probably be on antidepressants i don't think about it i've never been on them my whole life but i probably think i probably name you that's good first that's that's awesome i wouldn't wish it on anyone maybe i'll skip a story aside wait you wouldn't wish what on anyone he's saying that you don't need them if you if you haven't had him you've lost i probably need him i've uh well

no no no no sorry i'm just saying i wouldn't wish and wish depression on anyone oh yeah i just i've talked about, like, they say it helps with the compulsive thoughts too, like gambling. The thing is you have the gambling gene, right? So maybe you should do that in conjunction. I'm probably depressed a lot more than people know I am because I just don't tell people, you know? Look, I know you very well.

I know that your mental health isn't 100%. I don't know if you're depressed, but I wouldn't want to live in your head, man. That's a duck. You're going to say something nice. I feel sorry for you. You might need something, man. I don't know if there's a doctor who can fix whatever you are. Jim's only said two nice things

to me my whole life that was a wonderful I say no sincere sincere I say let's just you want to know you know the first time

you were sincere was when you saw me swimming at the Great Barrier Reef when we were back there did I tell this in the podcast when we were in Connecticut I don't know the actual exact words

Connecticut yeah when we were in Connecticut the second time was Jim and I just did shows it was in Hartford Connecticut and we went to Providence, Rhode Island. And then in between, we had a drive, and I said,

oh, I found this lobster roll place, and it was called Lobster on the Rough. And it's been there since the 40s, and it was right on the water. That's cool. It was near Mystic, Connecticut. And we ordered lobster rolls and soup, whatever. And then we sat down, and we were about to eat, and Jim just goes, Forrest, thank you for taking me here. Which just shows you how much Jim loves lobster.

Not that you've never said thank you. You've always... I'm not rude. But you've never said it just like that line. It was very funny. I remember you saying it. Oh, no, I wouldn't have gone there without you. I wouldn't have put the effort in. Just the line was so funny.

It was very nice, but I was like, wow, you really love lobster rolls. Can you tell them something sincere right now? Green's a good color on you. Thanks. No, it wasn't sincere. No, no. I like that shit, but it doesn't need the buttons.

I don't know. That was sincere. Sincere things don't have to be nice. Actually, he's been sincere a lot. That's true. Poor word choice, but I mean, yeah, sincerely. Next question, what is bipolar disorder

or manic depression? See, you knew that, Jim. I didn't know that they were the same thing, bipolar or manic depression. So what,

Jim said lows are very high, low, highs are very high. Keegan, what do you think? Yes, just to address the name first, manic depression

was kind of the old name for it, so bipolar is more medical. However, the reason that i uh the tagline on the on the book is my ongoing experience of manic depression is i think more people will identify with what manic depression is but that's it it's just extreme highs and extreme lows you know when you hire you know you're just flying you don't need much sleep, terrible decisions, promiscuity, drugs, and you're just lying.

And as Jim said, very fucking fun to be around. But then when you're depressed, on the other side, you're just, as we talked about, you're just low, it's dark,

it's a fucking horrible hole, and you're in bed all day. So it's bipolar. So it's poles apart. Also, bipolar is a polar bear who's got his dick in a female polar bear whilst having a dick in his mouth. I'll have to see a drawing of that. What are the differences between bipolar 1 and bipolar 2?

Jim said something about the Terminator. This is where I lost the point. Because I haven't lost the point. He said James Cameron directed both. Jack said no way. And they went on a whole rant on that. What are the differences between Bipolar 1 and Bipolar 2? Yeah.

Keegan, what is the difference between Bipolar 1 and Bipolar 2? Well, first of all, and I don't mean to be a philistine here, but I haven't seen any of the Terminators. So sorry about that. I should have known it was a phil here, but I haven't seen any of the Terminators, so sorry about that. I should have known that's a Philistine thing. I think Philistines would have watched. You won't be back. That's a line from the Terminator.

No, that doesn't, Keegan doesn't know it. Keegan doesn't know it. Yeah, yeah. Nice reference. Come back. I'll be back. I'll be back. Yeah.

Arnold Schwarzenegger. No, I've heard that one. I'll be back. Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's from the Terminator. Come with me if you want to live. The muscles from Brussels. Arnold Schwarzenegger. I've heard that one. Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's from the Terminator. Come with me if you want to live. The muscles from Brussels. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

You don't know about him? I actually haven't heard that phrase before. Look good in a speedo. No, the muscles from Brussels. No, that's Jean-Claude Van Damme. Oh, okay. I knew it was Jean-Claude Van Damme. Yeah, but I heard that either.

I was like, Arnold Schwarzenegger's from Belgium. No, no, no. The muscles from Brussels is Jean-Claude Van Damme. Okay, so bipolar one, bipolar two. Keegan, what's going on there? Okay, so bipolar 1 is basically manic episodes, and bipolar 2 is hypomanic. So manic is the more extreme kind,

and hypomanic is, you know, you do go on highs, but they're not as extreme. And you find with bipolar 2 that the depression is much worse and longer lasting, whereas the mania is for shorter times and not as intense as the mania you experience with bipolar I. Okay. And how can you tell the difference between those? Because it's all inside here, so how do you even diagnose stuff like that?

It's very hard. Yeah, Jack, the the thing is well that the lines are blurred and in fact I was first diagnosed with depression then it became bipolar then it went back to depression so it's because I've been diagnosed say there's a child diagnosed with attention deficit disorder which I don't know whether that's a real thing or it's just a condition that we're diagnosing but to this day I can't do things like fill out forms and stuff

like that I start to lose interest very hard and get frustrated and then throw something and then and then I make Jack do it without Jack oh god I wouldn't have any taxes done I do a lot of forms and then I got diagnosed do it without Jack. Oh, God, I wouldn't have any taxes. I do a lot of forms. And then I got diagnosed.

I had a doctor that said that I might have, I'll be on the spectrum for autism. And then I had, before that, I had a doctor that said I suffered from depression. And then I had bipolar mentioned to me. Then I had the autism thing. And now I just think, I just think, and I don't think I'm complicated. I just think I'm the best. I just think, and I don't think I'm complicated.

I just think I'm an interesting cat, man. You're just Jim. I try not to hurt people. That's all I do. I try not to hurt people. I just try to move around this world as good as I can. That's all I got in me. But I've been diagnosed with a whole so much stuff

that I just think, okay, it's so complicated. What is a person? What makes up a person? What's their personality traits? What are they? You know, because there's like, I know I have things that are good. I know I have empathy, right? That's a thing.

So it means that I'm not a sociopath because I have empathy. I very clearly have empathy. And if you don't believe that, you can fuck off. because I have empathy. I very clearly have empathy. And if you don't believe that, you can fuck off. But anyway,

I don't believe I'm a sociopath. I don't think so. That's good. What is schizophrenia? Jim said believing different characters' personalities slip in and out of them. Is that correct? Yeah, I don't have schizophrenia. I don't know that much.

But I do. This is a bit of a difficult one to grade because I'm a bit of a cynical bastard. I didn't give schizophrenia, I know that much. But I do. This is a bit of a difficult one to grade because I'm a bit of a cynical bastard. I didn't give you a point. But it's basically, you know, you have hallucinations and delusions. Now, I suppose I already say I'm a mental health expert on my mental health.

So I'm not a doctor when it comes to the schizophrenia thing. But from what I've observed and from what I've read and then you know you do hallucinate and a lot of people hear voices in their heads now medication can help with it but if you are on medication and then you go off and the voices in your head start you're aware that they're just voices in your head and you're aware that you're schizophrenic but you know that the only way to stop it is to go into a medication. And I know we're going to get to psychosis now but that's the difference between schizophrenia and psychosis.

You can imagine psychosis. I want to quote a Steve Hughes joke right now. Steve Hughes is an Australian comic, an old friend of mine that I haven't seen in many years. We used to live together. He did a very good routine and he goes, you're crazy because you're hearing voices in your head. You're hearing voices in your head.

That's where you're meant to fucking hear them. If you start hearing voices in your knees, go see a doctor. Yeah. So schizophrenia and psychosis, the difference you're saying? So psychosis is basically a disconnect from reality. And I'll just tell a quick story. A friend of mine who passed away a couple of years ago, he had a condition called drug and G-psychosis.

After school, he went away to university, got involved in all sorts of drugs, you know, as many of us did. But he, you know, he overdid it in a big way and sort of for lack of a better term he lost his mind and i remember he it was the 2010 football what was his drug quickly sorry what was his drug of choice uh so i would say he did he did okay well weed was the main one but he did a lot of cocaine and acid as well and mushrooms but never never heroin or meth or anything like that. Yeah, I've never done those ones either.

Yeah, class A's. Okay, carry on. Anyway, so it was the 2010 Football World Cup, and he was coming to, I was staying in a digs at the time. We had a pub in the garage, but that's a story for another day. Anyway, so his mom phoned me and said, listen, H going through some shit don't let him smoke weed and don't let him drink too much so i was like well okay i'll try anyway got there first thing we did is roll a joint up in a beer and then it kind of we realized that something was wrong because he

was telling us that he's being followed by a camera crew they're filming a show called the real south african man where they you know follow the african men around and catch them doing drugs and drinking and causing shits and he 100 believed this but then it just escalated a couple months later he believed that he'd be fed a chicken sauce in the forest then he killed a deaf and dumb prostitute then the wait wait wait then he killed a prostitute did killed a deaf and dumb prostitute. Then he killed a prostitute, did you say? Deaf and dumb prostitute. He believed he killed a deaf and dumb

prostitute. So many questions. How did she quote her prices? That's the bit that's really interesting. Braille. 400 grand. You you know the point is sorry Joe I was just doing a deaf and dumb prostitute

sorry Karen it's too much for me I got too excited anyway carry on so your friend believed he killed a woman right yeah so yeah he just had this crazy conspiracy going around

going on in his head but he absolutely believed that these things had happened. So there's a complete disconnect from reality. I mean, it's a bit of a sad situation. He's a lovely guy. He had so many friends. Never a bad word said about him. And he did get off drugs, but the psychosis stayed.

It was, you know, it can't be helped. and but the psychosis stayed it was um yeah i i i've had a few friends in the comedy biz and i'm not going to name names or anything like that but a few people who have gone crazy and it's and it's and it's the thing this industry very easy to consume you got a lot of time off you're on the road it's a job where someone hands you a drink. In the early 2000s, cocaine was very prevalent. You would do it in the open, back in dressing rooms, and no one would say much. And even they talk about that at the comedy store. There's a comedy store in LA.

They go, oh, Richard Pryor and Robin Williams have done coke. So I've watched a lot of crazy. And the crazy always starts, and I shouldn't be saying the word crazy, but the psychosis, it always starts just like you said, that they always think that these delusions of grandeur, that they're very important and people are following them and people want to know what they have to know so don't trust anyone because they've got all the answers and if they there's in the government

might find out and stuff like that and they're always being followed or someone's watching them and they you got to be careful where you go and the sad thing that happens in my community is being crazy is somewhat rejoiced is somewhat accepted where you go oh that guy's out of his fucking mind where if it was another workplace you would stop working there but as long as that cunt can get on stage and do 20 minutes properly

we sort of let it fly and we don't really and you're still using the word crazy but that's what you use the word and you're like that was crazy like you said at the beginning again he's out of his mind it's like this cunt's out of his mind he does a great show and sometimes they're out of their minds but you you know and like and i've probably mentioned someone that you know just like in just a couple of words i could give you 20 examples yeah yeah but like it's prevalent in our industry. What is electroconvulsive therapy?

Jim said electric. Rubber in the mouth, electroacution shocks. He said it's the chemo of mental health. What do you think of that? Yeah, good comparison. It's basically, some people think it's quite archaic, and it is in a way. But, yeah, you basically get shocked, and seizures are induced into your brain to try and just shock you back into normal operation. And when I was at my lowest, I actually, I went for ECT. I had 12 of them, and it didn't work.

But, you know, they're not shocking. It happens. But, you know, I think if the doctors are watching it and the motherfucker's there on the bed going, it probably looks quite scary. In movies, it always looks terrible. For me, it didn't work. Yeah.

And when you woke up from the shock therapy, was there any cum on you? Were you covered in any cum? Was there any dodgy doctors who enjoyed it? I think you're awake the whole time. Only my own, because it's known to make you cum immediately. Does it? Get the fuck out of here.

No, no. He got you. He got me. Zinger. He got me. he's a premature ejaculated he set it up with an earlier thing and then you just put it in front of the goal post and then just tapped it in very good brilliant long play keegan good job uh what recreational drug is used medically to treat depression? Jim said MDMA, ketamine. He thinks LSD. Yeah. What's going on?

So, yes. The listeners, I don't know a huge amount about them in terms of treatment, but the answer was ketamine. And basically ketamine is kind of your last option in treatment, but it's a very quick relief. I haven't been on ketamine uh recreationally or kelly was doing it but i'm going to work that it's it's um you know it can get you get you up in sort of like 20 minutes if it's administered in the correct doses maybe that's why i haven't been on any presence i've done a lot of ketamine in my life but it wasn't like it wasn't under a doctor's

supervision it was yeah it was uh the gym was the anti-doctor. No, I just way before I met Jim. I've only done ketamine once. Way before I met Jim. I used to do tons of ketamine back on South Beach in the club days. Damn. Yeah, man. I did it once in a comedian's house in about 2006,

and I fucking didn't. There was a lot of comedians in the room, and we were all just laying on the floor, couldn't move. Yeah. And what I remember is they go, it's a horse tranquilizer. But I felt like the Tin Man when he didn't have oil. Like he was still, and you go, oh, that guy's sedated. But he was trying to. Well, you can get stuck like that until you get into a K-hole, they call it.

I didn't like it. Yeah, you get into a K-hole is that when you take too much, and then you're basically... It's almost like that scene in Trainspotting when he falls into the car and stuff. You get stuck in a hole. But if you embrace that, it becomes this hallucinogenic episode that I thought was very enjoyable.

I would fly through the clouds. No depression. If I didn't have kids and I could have the right environment, I would give it another go. But yeah, it's a young man's go. I wouldn't do it and I could have the right environment, I would give it another go. But yeah, it's a young man's game. I wouldn't do it now.

I had sex on it one time. Not good. Not advised. I just want to tell you that I had a good time. I had a party at my house, and in my room, there's a circle of people. And one of my friends turns around and goes, I just did K.

So everyone just started doing K. It was just sprayed out on my floor. I'm like, oh, God. Yeah, I've done a I've done enough to kill a horse anyway they woke up and they're all covered in cum yeah

and the end so who was Walter Freeman Jim said he was the godfather of mental health the godfather baby yeah and then well who was he

let's start there okay so first part well I fucked up the second part but okay so walter freeman dr walter freeman was the guy that pioneered oh doctor oh if i didn't want to say dr what yes i didn't know it was the guy the guy who invented the lobotomy yeah carry on so so what i'd like to do is just read out his advert i actually got this off joe rogan's instagram interestingly enough but i knew about it before so this dr freeman his his print advert

for lobotomies it says are you depressed you may need a lobotomy and then he lists all the conditions schizophrenia panic attack depression etc and my favorite unmanageable loved ones oh yeah that'll help yeah yeah yeah just get you through christmas there's been times i've been family gatherings where i could have done with a lobotomy but yeah it basically takes you from from kind of normal to, for lack of a better term, or a PC term, resorted. Because she just basically became non-operational. Wait a minute, did you say a PC term?

I know you're South African, but I've got to pull you up there. That's a non-PC. Did you say PC or non-PC? Because we're not even allowed to say the R word over here. No, I think you meant it the other way. Oh, the other one. Okay. The other way. Oh, no, one. Okay. The other way.

Oh, no, no. Yes. Not that PC. No, no, no. You're allowed to say it. That's the least offensive thing to come out of a South African's mouth ever. We're up for the word retarded. That's fine.

And he won. He won. I didn't visit, yeah. But he won the Nobel Prize for this, wasn't he? He did. It was. No, no. Sorry.

This is where I fucked it up. No, you mispronounced it. The No Brain Prize. Yeah. So he nominated his mentor. The mentor's name was Antonio Igaz Munez, and he's the one that won the Nobel Prize. For a lobotomy.

My apologies for that one. Yeah. Okay. Still, somebody won a Nobel Prize for the lobotomy. Jim would have got that one. Yeah. I would Still, somebody won a Nobel Prize for the lobotomy. Jim would have got that one. Yeah. I would have got that if I knew he was a doctor.

I don't even know how they do. For a lobotomy, they go through the nose too, I think, right? There's always a scar on the head in the movies. I thought they go through the nose. Always a hoopy scar. Did they take a big buzzsaw down? I don't know. I think they just make you watch the the kardashians for a day my wife has a five seconds to show my wife has a thing when she gets very upset with people who

shit on the kardashians because kim kardashian let some people off death row like she actually went and helped people out she's done some good things she's done a lot of she's done a lot of prisoners she's done a lot of good things does a lot of good things and i've i've seen the tape bravo you know a lot a lot of good things anyway so um uh but my wife gets very upset if someone goes oh you're watching the kardashians only morons which the kardashians my wife loses his shit because of the people who help prisoners so i did that joke just for my wife who does not listen to this podcast mom does though she'll pass it on oh she does uh hey becca hello hello what is the difference between suicidal thinking and being suicidal jim said Mom does, though. She'll pass it on. Oh, she does. Hey, Becca. Hey, how are you? Hello. Hello. What is the difference between suicidal thinking and being suicidal?

Jim said thought versus planning. That's very good. That's it. And, you know, another way you could put it is there's a big difference between wanting to be dead and taking steps to kill yourself. And I often or in my my life, have thought, well, if I'm dead, that's it, you don't know about it, and your pain's gone. But I've got relatively close,

but I've never taken steps to actually attempt to kill myself. So that's basically the differentiation. That's where I'm at. I've thought about it a few times and I've really, I started to think, oh, I could do this and then I would do that and then I would do this,

but I've never gone and bought the rope. I'm just saying that as an example. That's not how it works. And plus I have those lovely suicide prevention plans called children. I would be a complete nutter prick to kill myself.

I have kids. I've got to be more responsible. And I need a job. Yeah, and also, I'd leave a little bit of something, something for you in the world, Jack. A little bit of something, something. A pinball machine for Forrest. On my other podcast that I do, the Merman podcast,

I said on that podcast that I was going to kill myself at the age of 65. No, Forrest believes this. People got very upset at me, but I'm like, so that's technically planning. That is planning, but it's way in the distance. I'm just doing it as a financial kind of thing. Can you do it while I'm out of town?

I just need some- I won't make it. I'm not going to put it on anybody. I'm going to go to another country or somewhere like that and do it so it's easy. Yeah, but then I'll have to come and bloody pick your body up or some shit. all arranged try to do it in california for me i'm planning it out don't worry but it's it's not for 15 years since people of course would have it planned very much because i'm gonna be like 62 i'm not up for long trips buddy no no no i might have lost all my money by then and i don't want to travel an economy off to romania or wherever you've fucking done it the

ashes will come back to the states. All right. All right. All right. I'm on board. There you go. Do I get anything when you die? The pinball machine that you gave me. I just get that back. It's just a re-gift.

I can get that back whenever I want. I don't think there's anything else you'd want from me. Oh, you've got to probably. It's got some cool chairs. I do have a rocking chair that everybody wants. Well, I tell you what. It's a $10,000 rocking chair. It's an artist made everybody wants it i want i want that one but i'm not getting any thinner so by the time i'm 62 i'll have your wardrobe that you got now so just put that aside

for yeah the stuff i don't wear because i'm a one day fitness i have 90 of my wardrobe is for 10 of my life yeah yeah and 10 of my wardrobe is for 90 of of my life yeah yeah and ten percent of my wardrobe is for ninety percent of my life yeah i have my fat fuck clothes which i never buy which is ninety percent of my life and then my thin stuff when i'm thin i go shopping oh i look wonderful and i put different outfits and i've got nothing for in between everything's either too big see this is a good fat fuck t-shirt they don't make a bluey T-shirt in a tight, ripped one for the clubs. Even though if you were in a gay club and you were wearing one that just said dad and you were just on the platform with the bluey dad, I reckon you'd clean up.

Yeah, you'd get it actually. Last question. Which famous writer committed suicide in 1941? How did she do so? Mary Shelley. Megan. It was Virginia Woolf and she put a bunch of rocks in her pockets

and jumped into a river I know that and the movie The Hours and also I know it from the musical who's afraid of Virginia Woolf

no there was a parody musical on an episode of Kath and Kim so you forgot this yeah and at the end she dies in the water

and then Glenn Robbins comes out and goes Virginia Woolf and that's the end of it it's a musical version if I would have told you the stones in the pocket you probably would have gone but I just said 41 it's that movie where Nicole Kidman gets the big nose

and you like, because I tell you what I tell you what mate Kath and Kim is one of my when I like, because I tell you what, I tell you what, mate, Kath and Kim is one of my when I'm depressed shows. I just, I watch that on repeat because it's a very easy watch. There's a few shows that I,

what I like when I'm depressed is familiarity. Something that I can watch and I sort of know what's coming and everything like that and can play in the background of my thoughts, but I know it's not going to have

any moments that make me spiral or anything like that and Catherine Kim is one of my go-to shows if you come over to my house and Catherine Kim's going on, I haven't been having a good day I've been there a lot when Catherine Kim's been on You know Catherine Kim, you say Keegan?

Yes, yes, yes, I love Catherine Kim brilliant I've watched the whole series more than once. But, you know, just genuinely doing that. You know, the lady who played Sharon played my mother in Legit. It was one of my big requests. I had to have Magna Sabansky play my mum. And it was the one thing I said to Fox.

They go, we can cast someone here. I said, I need to fly this lady in. It's too important to me. And so she played my mum so spot on. But anyway, sorry, carry on. Yeah, so, you know, I love Captain Kim. But, you know, another thing that I've found over the years with comedy, if I'm feeling really shitty, then comedy has helped so much.

And you guys and Kelly, she's not there anymore. But when I wake up in the middle of the night and I'm having worries are flying through my head, I put your podcast on and it just makes me feel better. So to be able to be here talking to you guys and laughing with you is something quite incredible. Oh, that's very sweet. It's very sweet.

All right, well, thanks, Keegan. This is the part of the show called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our expert to give us the facts, something interesting or obscure they can use to impress people at a dinner party. What do you got for us? Okay, so this is a long one, so you might not want to use it. You can pick another one, but this is interesting. And the reason I'm telling you or giving you this fact is just to illustrate how incredibly powerful our brains are and why a lot can go wrong.

So I'm going to read it out. It's kind of long. In 2013, it took 40 minutes using over 80,000 supercomputer processors with 1,000 terabytes of memory to replicate one second of brain activity. Wow. Yeah, that's a good one. What year was that? 2013.

2013. I was alive then. No, but I'm just one. What year was that? 2013. 2013. I was alive then. No, but I'm just saying, so 80,000 computers, 1,000 terabytes of memory to replicate one second of brain activity. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, I know. That's a good one.

I don't know why that would be a good one. I mean, it's hard to remember, but yeah. And it wasn't that long. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why you think that long. I've had ones where fucking desserts come and we've already paid the bill. So Keegan O'Connell,

you can find him on Instagram at O'Connell underscore Keegan and that's O-C-O-N-N-E-L-L underscore K-E-E-G-A-N. Check out his YouTube channel and buy his book, A Combustible Life, My Ongoing Struggles with Manic Depression. Whether you suffer from depression or not, i think that it's always an interesting read or or anything to you know to somebody that's lived through it and is willing to bare their soul about and stuff so commend you for that and check out his book yeah ladies and gentlemen thank you keegan for being on the

podcast i really enjoyed this one this one is close to my heart. If you're ever at a party and someone comes to you and goes, ah, bloody smartphones are better than the human brain, go, well, I don't know about that, and then call them crazy and walk away. Good night, Australia.