I Don't Know About That - Pies (and Breaking Bad) with Betsy Brandt

Episode Date: August 11, 2020

In this episode the team covers pies and Breaking Bad with the help of Betsy Brandt.   Follow Us:   Jim Jefferies Website: www.jimjefferies.com Jim Jefferies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimjefferies/?hl=en Jim Jefferies Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JimJefferies/ Jim Jefferies Twitter: https://twitter.com/jimjefferies   Forrest Shaw Website: www.forrestshaw.net Forrest Shaw Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/forrestshaw/ Forrest Shaw Twitter: https://twitter.com/forrestshaw Kelly Blackheart Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kellyblackheart/   Jack Hackett Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Jack_hackett/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You might find out about this On I Don't Know About That with Jim Jefferies Hi everyone, welcome to I Don't Know About That with me, Jim Jefferies I'm here with Kelly, Jack, and Forrest. I can already see our guest in our little monitor thing in the Zoom call. And this is going to be easy to pick because this is a friend of mine. We had a couple of people I know recently. We had the Jay Leno, who I knew.

The Jay Leno. He was good. Jay Leno was the only person that Forrest kept on ringing up like this, going, we're going to do a podcast, and it's going to be about cars, and would you like the answers ahead of time? Like, we've done some research in case you didn't know him, and Jay was just like, no, I don't know. No, I said, usually we provide questions that we're going to ask.

He didn't even want the questions. He didn't even want the questions. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't answers. I was confident he was going to know it i just said i well i'll give you some questions just so you kind of know where we're gonna be don't worry about it i'll get it but then when we then when we did have the actual questions and we had our answers that we got off the internet our answers were still wrong yeah he was better than google jay leno knows more about cars than the internet.

Yeah. We were both like, I think you're wrong. And then we'd look it up. Forrest and I would make eye contact. We're like, you got that one wrong. We felt good about it for a second. And then we'd look it up. We're like, ah, fuck. He was right.

So the T-Model Ford was the Oldsmobile. No, it turns out it was the Oldsmobile. I don't even know why I felt a sense of pride when I thought when I thought he got something wrong too, as if I found the, like if I knew the answer, I didn't, I just Googled it, whatever. So first, would you like to introduce our guest? Yes. Yes, I would, but I need to find this email. I can just tell you, I know it's Betsy Brand, but I haven't. I'm very, very disorganized today.

I'm very sorry. Yes, our guest is Betsy Brandt. You know her from Breaking Bad, Life in Pieces, and also Betsy can also be currently heard with Demi Moore in a new titillating podcast, Dirty Diana, about an erotic website where women reveal their intimate sexual fantasies. How did that come about, Betsy? Hello, by the way. Hi. How did you and Demi Moore start chatting about sexual,

was it a couple too many wines? And then you went, we could podcast this. Oh, I wish it was like that. We were just hanging around in her really big bathroom drinking, and I was like, oh, my God, I've been recording this. Let's do something with it. Wait a minute, in her bathroom? You know, she has a really huge bathroom. I assume she has a huge everything, but you hang out in the bathroom with her?

People have been talking about that. No, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't. That was just a joke. That was just a joke. That was just a joke. Shana Festy, who I did a movie that's coming out in, I think, October. 2025, after COVID. Right, ideally. Run, Sweetheart, Run.

And she co-wrote and directed the podcast Dirty Diana. And Demi is producing it and playing Diana. starring together right now in a little sitcom for NBC called Jeffries. And it was all cast and it was all ready to go. We had a table read over my house. Table read was good. The table read was good. We had a killer cast. The cast was all ready to go.

The sets were built. Me and Jack would be down at the NBC lot all the time. Betsy was playing, anyone who's followed my career or my stand-up or listened to this podcast basically kate who who mothered my child kate the mother of my child betsy was going to play the kate role which we gave a different name to so kate couldn't sue us how would they ever figure out who it was yeah no no everyone in my family i had to get because there's someone in the sitcom who's playing my father there's someone who's playing uh kate there's someone who's playing kate's boyfriend george who's another character who was going to be in the thing and so i had to go around so nbc pulled me in they go are any of these characters based on actual people from your life

and i went exactly based uh i haven't changed a thing so they gave me these forms and go make sure you make all these people sign it right so my dad was in town when that happened and i got the form and i gave it to my dad and then my dad as he was signing and this is my dad's way of saying he maybe he says some bigoted things from time to time because my father said to me i hope this sitcom doesn't have too much of my personality so so did he read the script yeah no he bloody didn't read the script he doesn't read that's not how he gets his information he gets it from making it up every now and again and then believing that he read it once upon a time um but so so we had we had anthony lapaglia who's a fine actor playing my father and hopefully we

can get all these actors back we had to let everyone get a long story but like the show's not dead it's still happening but it's been put off because of the covid but anthony comes up to me we have a table read and he meets he met betsy and he comes up to me and he goes he goes hey did you meet betsy and i went yeah he goes he goes she's she's good she's very good very good actress very good actress she was in this show she's in this show what was his show and i went breaking bad and he goes that's the one that's the one he goes you should see that it's good oh only one of the most popular shows of all time i go up to betsy i tell her that story and betsy says to me i was in a show with anthony for like three years did he not remember for real holy shit it wasn't it wasn't three years but it was one of my first jobs. And we did a whole 9-11, like two-episode story without a trace.

It was one of my first jobs. And they knew it was the first season of that show. And he was so lovely to me. And I'd seen him a couple times after. But yeah, no recollection. Well, that's it. So back to Kate, right? so i told this story to kate and kate goes i was in an hbo pilot with anthony playing his wife in like 1998 right and i was like wow and so rang anthony doesn't know who Kate is. I had to send him cast photos of them together.

And he goes, I don't know any of these people. Is he dabbling in the drugs? It was some sitcom where John Goodman had just finished Roseanne and he was playing a gay fella, right? And Kate told me this. And then he goes, i vaguely remember that and you're like you don't remember just john goodman gaying it up he doesn't remember like being on the show doesn't remember the show holy shit i thought he just didn't remember kate

this might be a problem jim but yeah he's gonna pull up being my dad perfectly i don't know if he's gonna remember that he was on your show when you guys are supposed to come back also i want to advertise a little thing quickly before you get into the subject there is a movie out on amazon prime and it's not here at the moment but i'm getting a lot of people writing to me called the excellent mr dundee it's the it's the it's the last paul hogan just made a movie right paul hogan made a movie they came over to my house with a video camera and they said we're making a movie about paul hogan and we just want to have him like he's playing himself and can you say some nasty things about paul hogan like it's

on the news that he's done something wrong so i've never met the man so for like an hour i just sat there on the on the phone there he is paul's right now i just sat i just sat there at the door just going paul hogan I thought he was dead. Ah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was thinking that I was going to get one line in this movie. It turns out I'm in it a lot. Oh, really? I'm not sure if I even got paid.

You didn't get paid? I don't remember. Maybe. No, you didn't get paid. It was like a favor thing. And they didn't give you any lines to work with. We sat in front of your house for an hour. I had to hold equipment because they had such little crew.

Jack didn't get paid either. I didn't get paid shit. No, no, no. I don't remember there being a contract or anything, but I'm in the movie. The movie has got Paul Hogan, John Cleese, and Chevy Chase. From what I can tell from the trailer, I haven't seen it. Just cruising around in a car causing mischief so check

that out i cannot wait to see when when does it come out was meant to be a cinematic release in australia but it's on amazon it's on amazon prime in australia so i've had australian people writing to me so go out on a limb and say maybe it's better that it just came out i still i've still not met paul hogan i've spoken to him once on the phone. Well, he probably hates you now. I mean, I didn't get paid. If the movie becomes massive, I'm ringing up SAG and I'm complaining. Anyway, so on this show, as we do, we have some topics. Normally in the show, I have to figure out who the guest is and what do they do.

I already know who this is and what she does uh but i i could guess that because anthony lapalia told you yeah you're a stripper right i drop the r that's classy stripper thank you um but yeah no so i'm guessing we're going to be either talking about the career of betsy brandt or breaking bad would be what we're going to talk about what are we talking about for us uh we are going to talk about that but first we're going to talk about pies pies pies do you know what a pie is i know what a pie is yeah it 3.14. I don't know any digits past that. Pi is one of those things.

The fact that you knew 3.14 is pretty impressive. That's what I remember. I don't remember the point of pi or what pi can do mathematically. Yeah, I don't either. I know that it's 3.14. Does it help figure out? It's how to measure circles. It's the constant used to determine distance when you have a circle is that

why pies are called pies because they're circular i bet you it's more related than we think okay well let's uh let's start so what we're gonna do betsy uh we're gonna we're gonna quiz um jim on pies and then we're doing breaking bad yeah all right great this is literally the podcast is built for me my two favorite things in the world are breaking bad and pies sorry hank he's not a thing he likes pie yeah well he doesn't really he doesn't really he's very picky do you know that jim's son is named hank me yeah yeah yes okay i wasn't sure because breaking bad and okay i just okay that's not why no no no no no no but i just that's a whole other level he was a chubby little bald baby

i was trying to make sure that we didn't have a confusion there drug dealers he's a good guy what a good kid okay um well let's start with that and i i again betsy i don't know if some if if this is right or wrong my information i have so hopefully you do let's just find out but uh pies where where did the word pie come from then, Jim? Let's just start with that. The word pie originated from the mathematical equation pie. Constant. Constant. Huh? Constant.

Constant? What does that mean, Jake? Just keep going. He just says stuff under his breath. It's just a constant sign equation. You know what I don't like? And this is a bit off topic, but this is what we did. I don't like when an american refers to pizza

as pie pie needs to involve pastry if there's no pastry involved it no lot it ceases to be a pie right or there needs to be a not even pastry you can have a pie that's like i don't even agree with this if you have a coconut cream pie it has a has a graham cracker crust underneath, right, that's not a fucking pie either. What would you call that? That's a tart. That's a tart. So you don't like pie, pizza pie.

Shouldn't be called pie or something. Yeah, there's that Brian Regan routine where he talks about his friend like when he goes to college and he didn't know about this and the guy's like, hey, you want a hard of a pie? And he's like, okay okay if you want a pie i'll have a pie with you anyway that was my brian reagan but i i don't like when americans call pizza a pie because it's not a pie a pie has to have pastry so you think east coast thing you think americans invented that term pizza pie uh when the moon hits you know the way that i'm asking it already that would be italian yeah that'd be italian this may interest you so they um one of the episodes i did of without a trace with anthony lapaglia um he refers to pizza as a pie yeah but

he's italian isn't he so So he's just like, hey. Well, they think that it was set in New York. They're trying to, you know, give it some New York street cred. But that's how I saw that. Because we don't really do, you don't do that really anywhere else but New York. I mean, I don't do it anywhere, but I don't, I just say pizza. Yeah, you just say pizza. You don't need to add on the pie.

All right, so that's where pie was invented because of the mathematical equation that's where the word comes from that's where it comes all right let's keep going well we're gonna ask them all the questions then we'll get to it that's yeah i have them all written down so um okay uh as far as types of pies pies are defined by their crusts okay and so why don't you tell me all right different times you tell me that pies can be either this type or this type. You can have a normal pie that's just like a meat pie, which is a full pastry over the top, right? You can have a pot pie, which is a pie in a little tiny pot,

which just has a layer of pastry over the top. Then you can have a really big pie, and that's larger than the other pies. Big pie. Big pies. Oh, here's one. In Australia, we call them party pies, which are the same as having a hamburger slider.

That's a little tiny meat pie that you have at parties as a kid. You put a bit of tomato sauce on that. That's a fucking belter of a meal. Doesn't Australia also have magpies? Magpie. Well, that's the type of... We have a bird called a magpie. And then you can have...

There you have three. And then you have savory pies. Then you have a dessert pie. And then that's all your pies. Well, I'm just talking about the crusts. So there's three specific types. There's only one type of crust you should use in a pie, and that's puff pastry. No. Well, I'm just talking about the crusts. So there's three specific types. There's only one type of crust you should use in a pie and that's puff

pastry. No, no, no. I'm saying there's three types of crusts, at least that you would say. So there's only one that's the other two are rubbish. I'm not talking about what the crust is made out of. I'm talking about how the pie is constructed. You've got

the crust on the floor. That's a pot pie? So you've got an open-faced pie. So the floor is a pot pie. You've got an open-faced pie. You've got an enclosed pie. Then you have the pot that has the pastry on the top. That's a pot pie.

Okay. Got it. All right, good. Oh, and then there's moon pies. Moon pies. That's like a sandwich. That's a moon pie. Moon pie is like a sandwich ice creamy

sandwichy thing that's like a like a cookie with like marshmallow with marshmallows and stuff and a moon pie okay um savory pies you mentioned yeah how many savory pies you're gonna get you can name a lot of them okay Give me examples of savory pies. I would eat three meat pies a week for my entire childhood up until I was about 20. And then I moved to Britain where the pies aren't as good, but I still muscle through it. And then they had pasties. You muscle through it. Yeah, they had Greg's pies.

Okay, so you got minced beef, right? That's your normal one. That's your bog stand, your regular pie. Then you have steak chunk pie. Then you have the chicken pie. Then you can have like a curry pie. Then you can have – now they're doing these things now with doing macaroni and cheese pies, which is –

that's just too many carbs. It's fucking ridiculous. Just eat one or the other. What about quiche? Is that a pie? Quiche would call itself a pie, but quiche is shit. If you want to have fucking scrambled eggs in a pastry dish, it's more of a tart.

I would say quiche is a tart. Okay. What other flavors do you want? There's a thousand different. You can put anything in a pie. It's not that hard of a question. I just said how many different pies. I make baked bean pies at home.

I have a pie maker. Baked bean pies? Wait, what? Macaroni and cheese pies are too many carbs, but baked beans, you're like, yes, let's do that. Beans are vegetable, man. Beans are legume, man. It's really good for you. You can eat lots of beans.

Do you know what a shoofly pie is? No. Okay. I'm not sure if I know either, but I just see it written here. So maybe Betsy knows. We'll see. I can always look it up. Is it like a humble pie?

I know what a humble pie is. There's also something called a buko pie. I don't know what that is. A chess pie? That's a bukkake pie. What did you call me? Find me a meal first. Okay. So regional pies. Great britain australia new zealand um you mentioned some already but uh the uh the um i'm sure new zealand has a lamb pie they'd have a

sheep pie britain steak and kidney pies a regional pie of the Brits. I don't like kidneys. What about a wig and kebab? Why put kidneys into things? They're fucking piss filters. Is that really kidneys? I always thought that was just a term. No, no, no. It's real kidneys.

Steak and kidney pie. Yeah, yeah. You don't need the kidneys. They also eat liver and onions is another big meal they have over there. Why eat the organs that clean the shit out of your body i know they're piss filters and be like oh let's make a meal out of this yeah yeah no no no no if they said steak and piss filter pie you would need it now have you ever had haggis i love haggis i know you don't i love that's so much worse than love, love haggis.

What is haggis exactly? Well, there's a lot of conjecture. Disgusting. It's best not to know what's going on in a haggis, but I like haggis when you buy it in Edinburgh and you get it deep fried and you get it salt and sauce and you just eat it like a big ball of meat. Well, anything's good deep fried. Yeah, but haggis is really good.

One time, okay, when Kate was pregnant with Hank, I remember really stepping up my drinking in that time because I thought I'll have to be a bit more responsible after the child's born. Also, there's just like people never compliment the pregnant on this. They're designated drivers. You have a designated driver for nine months who's not going to drink. It's fantastic.

Go party with your pregnant wife. Right? Anyway, so I remember I came back very, very drunk after the Edinburgh festival. I did this on one o'clock in the morning shows about four o'clock and she was already asleep. And I must've bought myself a haggis on the way home. And when I came in, she goes, did you drink much last night? And I went, Oh, I might've had a couple. I don't know. Cause I didn't want to talk to the pregnant lady and say, Oh, I was really drunk and make her jealous. Right. And so, so I said, oh, I may have had a couple.

You know what I mean? Next to the doorway, there was a handprint of haggis that slid down the wall. Where I stumbled in and matched my haggis. This is great. Were you just bare fisting it while you were eating it? I was holding it, the door tripped over smashed my haggis against the wall

and then I slid down in one motion and then she went oh yeah you look like you were real sober when you came in so that's my haggis I bite

now you can bite in tins and it comes in a little bladder I'm looking at it it looks fucking disgusting they used to make it inside a sheep's stomach and all that type of stuff you can get vegan haggis.

That tastes pretty good as well. You can. That's actually good. That's the only kind I've had. And what you do is you boil it and it comes out all fluffy and all types of stuff. I used to, Tesco's finest used to make a haggis pizza. Boom shakalaka. I think Forrest, I once made you a haggis quesadilla.

You did. It's not bad. It's not bad. I don't think haggis is that bad. I've heard all these terrible stories. But, I mean, as long made you a haggis quesadilla. You did. It's not bad. It's not bad. I don't think haggis is that bad. I've heard all these terrible stories. But, I mean, as long as you just don't think about it. It's got a great flavor to it. Anyway, back to pies. Okay.

Do you know what a pie floater is? I do know what a pie floater is. A pie floater is... Okay. So, there's a place called Harry's Cafe at Wheels in Australia, which is the oldest pie place. And they do the tiger stripe pie which is a pie mashed potatoes mushy peas which is a great thing on a pie i've been there with you yeah then

they get a spoonful of gravy and they they dunk it into the mashed potato mushy peas and they leave it so it floats in there and the thing now pie floater is you would actually put the gravy around it and you put it in a bowl and you can put it upside down and then hack into it. But that's a great way to eat a pie. Okay. I'm going to name... Oh, origin. When were pies first around?

Like when was the first mention of a pie? Like in history? And then when would you think that the first like pastry pie came around? I would have eaten my first pie in 1979. So I have to assume that the pie was before 1979 so i'm going to say i reckon okay so when was pastry invented the first pot what's the first mention of pie just pie or type of pie like obviously it's not going to be the traditional

pie you think of now but some sort of thing that where they where it was a round circular thing that they had sorry that was unexpected uh with a bit it wasn't i think you knew it was coming and you decided to burp no i did that thing you know like when i think about salt and vinegar chips my mouth starts to salivate right that i'm just doing that so you were doing the post pie burp i've been i've been i've beenating. I'm going to have to buy a pie on the way home. But I would say the first mention of the pie would be, did Jesus eat a pie at the last supper? Most likely. Was there like a lamb?

And then there was like... It was easy to eat when his hands were... Who's got room for pie? I would say the first pie would be the year 1000 year 1000 just broke that yeah that's a year okay and then and then where did the pie pastry originate anytime any idea of what year that was everything i found out through doing this podcast that everything's an accident right so there was some guy who had some flour and then he spilled a bit of water on it or something and then is that all you do how do you get the flour uh flour what was that accident

there was okay there was a guy there's a guy right what's that assume assume that brad was around before pie so flour you you got it in one betsy someone fucked up the bread someone fucked up the bread they had the dough out they missed some and they didn't put yeast in it they didn't put yeast in the fucking dough okay they forgot to put the the rising element into it and it just laid flat and then they went like this ah just tell them that's how we meant to make it and put some meat on top of it what a delicious mistake yeah that's how it happened to make it and put some meat on top of it. What a delicious mistake. Yeah, that's how it happened. And some fat. They had to put some fat in it.

You've got to put fat in that crap. Butter. I'm going to name a couple types of pies, and you've got to tell me what you think's in them, and then we're going to grab your answers. Yeah, yeah. The bucco pie. What do you think's in that?

You never said. I mean, you gave a funny answer, but is that your final answer? I think that sounds like it might be a dessert pie. Okay. My most hated pie. You know what area it's from too? Is Banoffee. Yeah.

You're not listening. You're not listening. Badoo pie would be. Buko pie. From what country is it originally and what's in it? That would be a Middle Eastern country. That would be from Jordan, the Buko pie. Okay.

I still don't have any idea what's in it. Okay. They fill it with baklava i'm telling you what if you're listening out there in the pastry and then cover it with pastry the honey and then you put the pistachios that's a hell of a pie it's basically like the pimp my ride of pies yeah it's the tadak of pies i'm gonna give you the i'm gonna give you the countries but you gotta tell me what's in them so this one would be ukrainian and it's pyrrha p-y-r-i-h or in russian it'd be called pirog what's in it okay so it's russian that would be something boring it

would be like cabbage pie that's it yeah cabbage or potato pie cabbage only with vodka in a vodka floater um okay this one is from uh a region in spain the galicia and it's torta de santiago that would be filled with chorizo sausage and paella okay I don't know what chorizo or paella. Chorizo and paella. Chorizo's already in paella. That would be a fucking pig-ass paella, man. And then one more. This is a Macedonian pastry

called zelnik. Zelnik from Macedonia? I've heard of zelnik before. That would be the head of a goat wrapped in pastry. You keep getting them 100% right.

Fur intact. Eyeballs still inside. Okay, let's just find out how you did about pies. Do you know answers to all these things, Betsy, that we said? No! Oh, my God, no. Wait, I do have a question, though. The Russian, are you saying pierogi? Or are you saying something else?

No, pierogi is dumplings. It's spelled P-Y-R-I-H or P-I-R-O-G. It's almost pierogi, but it's not. I think you missed a beat on these questions here. Ask me how to make a pie, Forrest. Well, I mean, I can ask you that. That's not really like. I don't know.

I buy my puff pastry already frozen. I use a little pie. Okay, I'll ask you that. How do you make a pie?. I use a little pie crust. Okay, I'll ask you that. How do you make a pie? How do you make a pie crust? I think there's flour, there's butter, and there's water. I don't think there's any. This is the crust, right?

Just the crust. Okay. And I don't think there's, is there eggs in it? I don't think so. Maybe there's eggs, because I know that pasta is flour and eggs sometimes, and there's sometimes flour and water. Flour, butter, water. Because flour and water just makes pasta.

I think if you add butter to it, then that makes. What are you doing with your hands? I'm thinking. It's my thinking hands. He's kneading the dough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever I think, I'm just thinking about. Never seen you do that.

I'm just masturbating two old men off. I think it would probably be yeah it's it's butter added to it and then i don't think there's sugar because it's not a dessert so pastry butter butter flour water water okay and let's say you were going to make a mince meat pie how would you make oh that's easy i can make the filling you that's you you can put any filling in you want there i used to have a pie shop that used to put a full english breakfast inside a pie for me in england with bacon and things and all that and that was a hash brown in there it was bloody good and what what temperature would you bake a pie at well you you have that your machine

has the red light now then you put it down temperature. What temperature would you bake a pie in an oven? You'd bake a pie at around 400. Okay. I guess you'd bake some things. I thought you were going to be way off in the temperature. Okay. And then let's say you were going to make like a sweet pie. Have you ever made one of those? I've eaten some of them.

It's the same thing. I believe it's almost the same pastry. And you would get the cher cherries i don't know how they like with sugar you pour sugar and stuff until everything emulsifies down and then it makes that gooey stuff around it it's just sugar and fruit in it don't know i think so and then what about meringue meringue ah meringue is just egg whites you get rid of the yolks and you add sugar to that and then it's ready once you pull it up

and the peaks stand up by themselves. How do you make it though? You just blend it up and you add the stuff very gently to the thing. A little bit of caster sugar, a little bit of caster sugar and you keep going.

I know about fucking meringue, mate. Okay. All right. Sorry, one last question. What about cream of tartar, right? You put cream of tartar in there. What's cream of tartar right you put cream of tartar in there what's cream of tartar yeah what is that makes the makes the the peaks stiffer oh i don't know there's things in america that i still don't know i've been here for 13 years cream of tartar is only in america i've never heard of it i've never heard of it there's things like this i've okay

you don't have self-raising flour in this country. What the fuck is wrong with you? You have to add the yeast to the flour. Everyone else in the world just sells you self-raising flour. You have all the technology. That's because you guys are lazy. We like our flour to work. Oh, come on. Pull itself up by its bootstraps.

But everything else you have in this country is like you have peanut butter and jelly in the same jar. Everything else is about convenience. That's your only example. No, but you got hefty man meals. You have Pop-Tarts and shit like that. All these things are already made for you. Okay.

And then you can't give me self-raising. Now, here's the other one. I don't know what creams. I had a Gordon Ramsay recipe where I made this pasta, and I can't get single cream or whatever. What the fuck is creme fraiche? What the fuck is it? What? a Gordon Ramsay recipe where I made this pasta and I can't get single cream or whatever. Okay. What the fuck is creme fraiche? What the fuck is it?

What? What's creme fraiche? What is it? Oh my God, it's heaven. I know, but I think it's named something else in Britain and Australia so I don't know

what I'm buying. Okay, I'll look that up and then I'm going to ask you one more question and then we're going to get, we're going to ask Betsy. I guess I could have Googled it. What,

have you ever had key lime pie guess I could have Googled it. Have you ever had key lime pie? I have had key lime pie. What color is key lime pie, if it's the correct color? It's a yellow, almost green. It's a lovely tinge. It's a green going into yellow. Green going into yellow?

Yeah, it's like, you know, it's almost turquoisey yellow. yellow i know what it is we had a key lime tree in my yard growing up but yeah no i keep key lime pie it's from the florida it's from the florida keys it's where it gets its name and it's a very popular pie i also a big fan of the pecan pie or pecan i say i say pe pecan. Okay. I don't say it at all. Oh, okay. All right. Let's get to Betsy here. We usually grade Jim on how accurate he was. I'm impressed. I've got two subjects today, so I could pick up a grade.

Yeah. Let's grade him right now. Do you want to grade him on knowledge of pies, Betsy? I don't know if you knew the answers to everything. I knew it, too. I can kind of help, but zero to ten. I did not know the answers to everything, I don't know if you knew the answers to everything.

I knew it too. I can kind of help, but zero to ten. I did not know the answers to everything, but I'm very impressed with this knowledge that I didn't, not to sell you a short gem, but I didn't see this coming. I didn't see that you were so handy around the kitchen. Thanks. I got to tell you, there's a strange man outside your window.

That'd be amazing if she didn't know him. This might be the best court robbery ever. So what would you give him, 0 through 10, as knowledge applies? Oh, gosh, I love him so much. I mean, I want to say 11. Don't add your emotion into this. Let's go strictly factual on how accurate he was. 11. Don't add your emotion into this. Let's go strictly factual on how accurate he was.

And keeping in mind, he got none of the fillings right for those other countries. I'm not going to either. I'm just letting you know, he got zero. Hey, people, any listeners that think, make me a baklava pie and send me a six. I'm going to give him a six. A solid six.

Kelly, zero through ten on confidence. He was pretty confident. I would give him a six on confidence, too. I love pies. Et cetera. I'm just going to give you a nine today, Jim. I want to talk about. I didn't even make what they were, though, today.

Oh, shit. Before we start, I want to mention an invention that happened in Australia. We started 25 minutes ago. I want to mention an invention that happened in Australia that changed my life. Every now and again, you see an invention, you go, how do we live this long without this? Pies my whole life were a circular thing. You ate the meat pie and it spilled over

your shirt you had to be a real engineer to know where to bite and to keep it all into its in its place then 4 and 20 which is one of the frozen pie companies that sell your pies at the at the gas station right they brought out the traveler the traveler was a long pie oh like a hot pocket yeah it was a long pie. So you could eat it in stages. It would never spill. I would like to congratulate 4 and 20 on that invention. Game changer. Any phallic food is good.

It was the first time I ate a pie whilst driving. Pies always used to be a... You had to be on your game. Then they brought the traveler in. They called it the traveler. They knew what i wanted to do okay uh that's it i love the comments because people are like forrest doesn't look like he wants to be there and you're like sometimes i don't

very very perceptive oh i tell you there's a pie pie in South Africa in a gas station. It's called the cheeseburger pie. Can we start already? They just put a cheeseburger in there, wrapped it in pastry. It's much better than eating a normal cheeseburger. I've made them at home. Jack, how good is the cheeseburger in South Africa?

They're really good. I said I liked them on a radio show. They delivered 30 of them to me. That's when I was South Africa fat. Okay. Betsy, so you bake a lot of pies correct i do jim said jim said the crust is flour water butter and that was it yeah yeah you know what yes i i add a little salt in there. Some people swear by using lard instead of butter. I believe in butter. Yeah, you gotta have butter.

Although lard does, I think if you're gonna ship a pie, lard tends to travel better. But I love butter. We go through a lot of butter in my house. Lard sounds bad. I know it is bad for you but it's like it's very well named because you're like that's not good for you lard if jim gets really into baking he's gonna have a fat stage that's called his lard stage whenever they say

the burger's gonna have lardons i think it's just bacon fat bits or whatever you don't really have a lot yeah yeah that i've never heard wait a lard on a lard on a lard on yeah they go lard on the little chunks of fat that they deep fried bacon there's meat in there too i i cooked with bacon fat friday night and that's like kind of all i want to do now yeah bacon fat's the nickname of her husband. No, but my husband, he had a great idea for an invention. He thinks there should be a bacon-scented candle, which I agree. I have one. Do you?

Yep. It wasn't originally that. She just doesn't wash her hands very much. Where did you get it? It's the best smell. Yeah, my friend's cousin made them, so I ordered a bunch of different candles from her but i bet you could probably just do it with bacon fat put a

wick in there um because you don't want to light the fat on fire listen i don't want to live that long so we take risks so it's right on pastry um yeah that's pretty much it i i sometimes put a little sugar in there if it's a sweet but what's the difference between the pastry like that and what's the difference between puff pastry because i always use puff pastry has puff got a different thing going on i think that has even i don't know because i i mean i put extra butter in my pastry sometimes and then it's very similar to puff pastry but um puff pastry i i think it has more fat has more fat in it and it's lighter and fluffier because how do you eat you're a very trim person how do you eat it sounds like you're eating a pie a day no no no no no i don't need a pie

um you said the origin for the name pie is from the math equation. Yeah, that's a good answer. Or it's from the movie Life of Pie. It's definitely not the worst answer he's come up with. Do you know the origin, Betsy? No, but I'm going to go with that. I think that's a good one. The source of the word pie, they believe it comes from the magpie, the bird. Whoa.

Because the bird was known for collecting odds and ends in its nest. And the connection was made with medieval pies. Contained so many different animal meats like chickens, crows, pigeons, rabbits. And there was one recipe for pies in 1450 that is suggested. The reason they think it comes from magpies is because they said, you know, in the recipes, you put odds and ends in it.

And that's how magpies are referred to are there no magpie pies no but you guys you know four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie you know that nursery rhyme absolutely not okay that's a british thing everyone knows that right i've heard of that yeah yes yeah and so so in australia and britain when we're making a savory pie in maybe this happened more in my childhood maybe maybe not so much now, but in the 70s and 80s, definitely and probably earlier, you'd get a porcelain magpie and you would stick him in the middle of the pie and his head would duck out the top of the pie to make it a bit more of a showpiece.

So you'd have a magpie's head sticking out the top of the middle of your pie. I don't know why. I need that. Well, it's one of those things. We also, in Britain and Australiaia we used to just put coins in our christmas pudding we thought this was like a so in christmas puddings you would get coins just shoved into the mixture the dirtiest thing the dirtiest thing and then there'd be like a big silver coin big silver coin and if you got

the big silver coin in your piece of dessert, then you were the winner of the day. There was no prize. And the kids got to keep the coins and all that type of stuff. But we would cook and eat. Chip a tooth. Oh, my word, you chip a tooth. But, yeah, we used to put coins.

It sounds so old. I know it's too old. My word, you chip a tooth. My word, you chip a tooth. It sounds so old. I know it's too old. I want your chip-a-tooth. I want your chip-a-tooth. You didn't know about that? We put coins in our Christmas puddings? We put babies in cakes. And in cages in this country.

Betsy, you might have just outed yourself. Q's coming after you now. Lucky kids. What do you mean you put babies in cakes? No, in a have just outed yourself. Q's coming after you now. Lucky kids, lucky kids. What do you mean you put babies in cakes? No, in a Mardi Gras cake. It's like little plastic figure babies. There's a little baby Jesus baked into the cake. I think that's a very exotic tradition.

And then what is it? Whoever gets the baby, don't they have to bring the cake the next following year or something like that? It's so shitty. You're like, oh oh now i have responsibilities next year great you find the baby in your mouth you just stick it somewhere else in the cake that's what i would do no thanks jesus found you the pizza pie was uh was italian immigrants arriving united states i said pizza pie so you can't blame any united states saying pizza pie it came from italians who i don't know if you're aware i know on my last special and lepaglia texts me about this like oh you don't like italians hey i only

picked on italians in my special where because i knew that they roll with the punches pretty good right and they're not a minority who's going to be really angry with me tommy caprio also wrote to me like yeah you got into the italians what are you like that but i have no problem for you italian americans with this thing i have no problem with you you're all right but stop with that mafia shit it's annoying okay a couple more things up but not all in the mafia you act like you're all in there you're like just because your name's big tony you just might you know what it is i will say this about it if you mention the mafia they sometimes italian americans will say it's offensive that you bring up the mafia all the time however they always try to act

right like they are like there's some connections or two it's like pick pick a side that you want to be they're all very big like do you have any your family have any mafia connections? And they don't, but they're always like this. It's best I don't talk about that. There's a phone in our house we're not supposed to answer. There you go. All right, so pie crust. I think you got it pretty good. Yeah.

The types of pie crust that you would go with are the filled, where the dish is covered by a pastry crust, and the filling is placed on top of that. The top crust, what you call the pot pie too, where the filling is placed in the dish and covered with a pastry on top. Or mashed potato, I guess. That's the shepherd's pie. Shepherd's pie is your mashed potato.

Shepherd's pie is an overrated thing. The Brits love it. It's an okay meal. And the two-crust system, when you enclose it. That's's an okay meal. And the two-crust system. That's too much crust. The two-crust system. That's how you have the pie. Too much crust. You've eaten pies with me. I've taken you to

very good pie shops. We used to have the Forky and Ozzy pies used to come by our podcast and they used to bring them and they had to close down because of COVID. I'm devastated. Shout out to Nick Bishop. Oh, I love those pies. of COVID I'm devastated I love those pies I love those pies the fork in Aussie pies

they did the mushy peas they did a pulled pork pie with a bit of macaroni cheese on top my mom just texted me yesterday she's like I just found my last Aussie pie in the freezer and just ate it I made her order some like six months ago and thank God she did. I found a catering company that makes pies.

And then I buy like 50 of them and say that I'm having a party. So party, that's kind of a party party for one. It's a party for one sad man. So there was a reference to a type of pie galettes or galettes. I'm not sure that they found that they found a reference to a type of pie galettes or galettes i'm not sure that um they found um that they found a reference to it or evidence of it could be found on the tomb walls of pharaoh ramses ii who ruled from 1304 to 1237 bc so that's when they at least the first reference of pies

all right so you go into the store and there'd be all the celebrity names of the pies you know i have two tut tuts so you're pretty close you're pretty close there's really old egyptians like uh cultural appropriation they call them so you're pretty close there those were kind of like flatbread like the open fate open pot you know yeah and then in the first century uh the roman cookbooks there's like mentions of pies but they what it says here is that the romans made a plain pastry of flour oil and water to cover meats and fowls which were were baked, thus keeping in the juices. The Roman approach of covering them might have been attempted to prevent the meat from drying out during the baking,

blah, blah, blah, and that stuff. So anyways, you got that pretty close, right? I'm pretty good with that one. There's Wikipedia. You guys can look this up. Please don't write to me about it. Betsy, what's your favorite pie to make? What's your go-to pie? What do you make better than any other pie pecan is my favorite

to make i make a lot and i i also make like uh i do some savory pies i loved i have a really great chicken pot pie recipe i love to make i love to make quiche i say anything in a crust um and i love cheese so quiche is a, I love quiche. Do you consider quiche a pie? Anything with a crust and cheese, you'd love my underwear. Banana, banana, banana is my safe word with you. I'm emailing HR, hold on. And then I went from quiche to making um cheese souffle

which i love to make too but there's no crust in that that's just like cheese and cream and egg don't you find souffles i have a restaurant near my house that has a chocolate souffle and they ask you at the beginning of the meal because if you want to have it they gotta start making it now and i'm always like oh wow something that takes so long to make that can fuck up. Because souffle can fuck up. And I'm like, I've got to order that because I can't make that at home. And then I'm always like, eh, it was all right. You can't make it ahead of time.

You can't make souffle ahead of time. You want to pull it out of the oven and then serve it right away while it pops up because it'll deflate. As soon as you pull it out it starts to sounds like a pretty pretentious dessert can we all agree can we all agree that pie beats cake no no no i mean i love i mean yes pie for me but i'll eat cake too i'll eat it all yeah but pie beats cake okay i think pie is the best pie's given us so much and us so so little i love that you love i love that you love pecan pie i think this is good luck for our show jim because i still make pecan pies for vince gilligan

and a few other breaking bad people but that that's vince's favorite pie and so i would take pecan pie to the writer's room well that's at the moment we we should wish vince uh good luck with his diabetes as well that he's going through now so that that's a good segue uh what we're gonna do and jonathan banks jonathan banks love i is uh he's a big fan of my pecan pie so i make him pecan pie also ah now i know who jonathan banks is well we'll see that's a good segue i i just before just so everybody knows i just want to say real quick buku pie is a filipino pie with coconut filling the russian pie has cottage cheese and then fruits like apples plums and various berries a savory version can have cabbage

spanakopita that's phyllo dough yeah phyllo that's a that's a greek pie phyllo dough that's spinach and ricotta uh that's not the question I asked. And feta. He's just saying words he knows. It's just that spanakopita is my biggest word. Zelnik is a traditional Macedonian pastry, and it's thin crust filled with either cheese and eggs, spinach, sorrel, crumble, meat, leeks, and rice.

Crème fraîche is soured cream. I'm going to get some spanakopita on the way home. All right, so let's talk about- I keep thinking you're having a stroke when you say that. Let's talk about Breaking Bad. I really need a stroke just to be even. Let's talk about Breaking Bad. Betsy Brant was on Breaking Bad,

and you consider it one of your favorite shows ever, Jim? I consider Breaking Bad my favorite show. Your favorite show ever. My favorite show ever is breaking bad now i'm going to embarrass myself here because i haven't watched it for so long but i bought the blu-rays in the canister and now you don't need to buy any blu-rays but i bought and it came with an apron and it came yeah came with the barrels and everything i bought that yeah now i i i was emailing betsy and i said this is really is one of Jim's favorite shows, but I have a feeling that it might be embarrassing for him

because he might not know certain answers. So let's start with Betsy. I might not know. It's been a minute. You might know. I think you should know. What was Betsy's character's name on Breaking Bad? Oh, God.

Hank's wife. Oh, God. No, I'm not going to say it. No, no, no. I'm going gonna sneeze in your fucking pie and i'm gonna tell you after i can tell you a lot about your pie i'm gonna give you no i can tell okay so your sister was skylar christ you say Skylight? What did you say? Skylight. You were a klepto. Stop going ahead. What was her name in Breaking Bad? A little known thing about Breaking Bad, the klepto

character wasn't, the storyline wasn't even written in. Stop. Betsy was just doing it on set so they filmed it. Stop deflecting. What was her character's name in Breaking Bad? This is the first question. I don't fucking know. Okay. The thing is, is like, we were working together.

Like, you didn't think it might come up, or you might want to know. But I know this show. I know this show. Of your so-called favorite show. Okay, okay. We're going to do, as we ask, we'll answer these questions as we go along.

Her character's name is Marie. Can I tell him? Yeah, you please tell him. Okay. We're going to do it. We'll answer these questions as we go along. Can I tell him? Yeah, please. Tell him. Okay. Marie. Marie. Marie. It was bloody Marie.

What was her last name? Not bloody Marie. Bloody Mary. Just Marie. Marie. It was same as Hank's. I know this and I don't even know. Aaron.

Oh, yeah. Schrad Aaron. Schrader. No, the joke was because his name was Hank Aaron. No, no, I got the joke, but you're wrong. So what was her profession in Breaking Bad? Marie. I just remember we're talking about Marie. Marie's profession? She didn't.

It was mentioned many times. It was part of the storyline i haven't seen the show in like 10 years uh she i remember that she ate sushi and hank didn't like it because they live too inland like that's a pretty big fact you'd have to really watch the show to know that. Yeah. Okay, Betsy, please tell your profession in Breaking Bad. I was an x-ray technician. X-ray technician. You remember now? No.

What was Marie's favorite color? Blue. Yellow, yellow, yellow. No, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. Pink. Keep going. Nope, nope. No, no, no, no, no, no, pink. Keep going. Red.

No, no. It wasn't blue. I thought she stole things like those birds that collect blue things. Okay, Betsy, what was it? I don't know if this was your favorite because I've read some stuff. This might not have been your favorite cover. It might have been Hank's. Oh, no, no, it's not my favorite.

I mean, it was just Marie. No, no, I know, but I read some stuff that it not have been Your favorite cover It might have been Hank's Oh no no It's not my favorite I mean it was just Marie No no I know But I read some stuff That it might have been Hank's favorite You know there's so many Fan sites and stuff like But yeah purple

Purple purple purple There you go purple Yeah she was always Wearing purple There was lots of purple stuff Lots of purple stuff Yeah I do know that Well you don't

I did He does now It took a while to recall it But yeah purple Okay Look if people think I have a cheat on this show and I look up facts before I come in, this is proof.

Yeah, we know. That I don't look up anything. We can tell. No one's ever questioned that. Yeah, I don't think anyone thought that. No one's ever like, Jim's looking stuff up. I have to still work with Betsy every day. We'll be catering.

She'll look over me. It's fucking Marie. I said in the email I told I said Jim really does love the show he's a huge fan I just I know he's not gonna get this right

even what oh you said her sister's name do you know the name of the actress that played her no okay no I know

I know I knew I knew Betsy's name and it was solidified because Betsy was in Life in Pieces and she was married in Life in Pieces and she was married in Life in Pieces to Dan Bacadal and Dan Bacadal played my best friend in Legit.

So we already had that connection. So what actors can you name in Breaking Bad? Aaron Paul played Jesse Pinkman. Okay. Malcolm's dad played Walter White. You don't know his name? What's his name? He's a bigot.

Brian Cranston. There you go. Brian Cranston. Brian Cranston. The man who loves pecan pie, you said his name. Anthony LaPaglia played Hank. Who else? Rafe, the guy the mike was played by oh fuck it she just said

she said who mike was played by earlier she makes pies for him oh he was the one he played oh you thought that was hank i thought it was hank no it's not all right look i i don't know jonathan banks jonathan banks that's who plays also in Better Call Sal, but because it's a prequel, they don't get Mike to do too many hit jobs anymore. They're just like this, go over there and beat someone up, and he gets up like, fuck me. Yeah, but okay. So Anna Gunn, by the way.

Anna Gunn. That's who plays Scott. Oh, yeah, R.J. Mitty. There you go. R.J RJ Mitty there you go RJ Mitty now I know RJ Mitty because RJ Mitty came to a recording of the Jim Jefferies show one time and I was super excited

fun fact he only eats breakfast food oh I don't know his character loved breakfast and always wanted breakfast. I've seen him eat plenty of regular food. Oh, really?

I guess that's a myth that he only eats breakfast food? Yeah, I don't know that to be true, but that could be something he's into now. He was 14 when he got that. I'm going to tell people that Jonathan Banks only eats pecan pie. Yeah. That's how he is. That I make. That's the guy out front of the window.

Pick up his new delivery. I just found an RJ Middy quote. I don't really eat breakfast that often. I'm a bacon guy. I like breakfast food, but I don't really eat food until afternoon. So by that time, that's not really breakfast. All right. Well, that goes out the window. It's amazing that there's even a quote about it well because because the show

kelly full disclosure never what you know i've seen like the first three episodes i love the show too i i i i always one of those you know when people are like i liked the band before it was cool to like the band i actually did watch ring bad from the very beginning yeah i watched it from the beginning i remember watching him being like the show's amazing thanks it was like you guys my parents and like three other people but you kept us on the air well i i i didn't see the first season and then i saw the second season on a long flight and then i was like came home just like this is the show you go and so i went back and watched the first season and um and uh okay and then so you already said it what what habit or behavior did Marie see a therapist for?

She's a klepto. Marie was a klepto. Which, to me, it was amazing because later- She wasn't a nasty klepto. She just used to go to open houses and wander around. Your character was- What's a nasty klepto? Well, they're not stealing your money from your bank account or anything like that.

They're just taking a trick on you your bank account or anything like that they're just taking a trick but i don't think that's what a kleptomaniac i think is i don't know what that exact definition is but i think they i think they i was in high school stealing stuff were you oh yeah like what like what kind of stuff just go to the mall and you'd like be in a just a claire's or something like that i knew how to steal my mom's gonna listen to this she's gonna be so embarrassed um but i knew how to steal like jewelry from the little um you know earrings would be like posted onto those little things and i could take them off with one hand and just slip it into my bag it was just like i didn't want any of this stuff it was just kind of like a rush so it was right it wasn't because you were like oh i want that but it's too expensive it was just

the rush with those kind of that dexterity, you could have been a surgeon. Oh, right. Yes. I definitely missed my calling. She would have stolen organs. I had a mate, I'll tell you a quick story. I had a mate who used to shoplift a bit when we were 14. And he was in the Woolworths, the equivalent of Ralph's or whatever.

And he stole a 10-pack of Tic Tacs. You know when they come in like the big tube like that? And he shoved them down his leg. And then the security guy went, what do you got in your pocket? He went, nothing. And then he took a step. What's that? And then he ran out of the store.

It's maracas. Yeah, Tic Tacs may be the worst thing to shoplift on Earth. Or paperclips or something, yeah so i i have a question though the so in as the show progressed um your kleptomania i guess is the way that is pivotal to connect the storyline so that hank is able to start to figure out who heisenberg is, right? Now, obviously, they had that written in the first season with the tiara, and that caused a rift in your relationship with Skyler, but they didn't have the whole show written up. No, no, no, no, no. Because that little detail, I thought that was such an amazing through line

for your character to be able to connect. The writers were so good that they were able to. I stole in this i think the second episode of the show it was the first yeah when i shot the third episode no i steal a pair of shoes because i go shopping and i have my hospital shoes on and they're like awful and i complain about them and how you know they look like old lady nurse shoes. And, um, and I go to this, um, you know, high end shoe store and I don't find the salesperson very polite nor helpful. I find or helpful. And, um, so I take the shoes and then leave my gross hospital shoes on the platform for display

um but i like to me that also was information i loved getting early in the show i'm like oh so she thinks she's a writer of wrongs like she thinks that's justice right like i mean yes of course i think stealing is bad except when i do it there's a reason that makes it okay and that's really kind of you're like robin hood of morality yeah sure yeah these bitches need to learn right hey am i correctly saying that aaron paul's character was only meant to be in season one yeah and they just liked him so much they kept yeah yeah but you should also know vince that first season vince said we wouldn't go past season three he wanted this to be like short and sweet and he

said he always said he wanted to leave the party early did you ever watch the show the same way that i watched the show and i watched it in a way that meat pie yeah i hold it with with pie spilt over your shirt. Yes. I used to watch the show. It made it more fun for me if Bryan Cranstein's character was the same character of Malcolm in the Middle, but he just divorced his wife and had a new family in a different state. Oh, like Dallas. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I watch it that it's the same thing. Like Malcolm went off to university and he went, oh, stuff it. I can't deal with me wife anymore. And then he moved over and became a school teacher. And that's how I watch it. It's a bit more fun. And had his second family.

No. So we did watch it in a similar fashion with Pi. But yeah, the other thing, no. I just... I always watched... did everyone else watch Walter White as a good character I was always rooting for him yeah well up to a point

right well like this is something I need to know when he like kills that kid you're like he didn't kill the kid the guy who Chubby Matt Damon killed the kid which kid are you talking about you're talking about the guy that was jesse plemmons i think you know now i don't know people's names don't call him chubby matt damon

i love him i like him too he's very watchable i'm'm a big fan. Well, this is the thing about the show too. So I felt like at least if you go online and stuff, and I don't know if you got this, your character, what did you hear about fans and your character, their response to your character, specifically Betsy? Because I felt like as the show progressed, fans were conflicted on who they liked or sided with in the show, and that was the whole idea of the show. It was like Walter initially you were like, well, I'm on board with him.

And then as it progresses, like, I don't think I should be on board with him. I still am. No, are you kidding? I cheered for him because I was also a fan of the show because it's a great show. I cheered for Walt longer than I'm really comfortable admitting. You know, like he was already clearly going down a path that you shouldn't root for someone. And we were like, yeah, Walt, take a stand.

And then after a while, and I'm sure I was biased because I was in it, but you just can't anymore. But I wanted him to get his shit together before the end. Yeah. And I read that you couldn't watch the scene where, where, where, where Hank dies. Yeah. I still haven't seen it. I still haven't seen it. We Dean and I were doing a panel.

You and I were doing a panel once in york and they showed a clip and i was like oh my god and dragged him across and i i get that it's pretend i get it but it's just like it's such a part of you yeah i would watch even the scene where spoiler alert i can't even believe I still feel like I need to say that. But where the twins come after him and he, the cousins come after him. They're not twins. The cousins come after him and, you know, they're dragging the axe. And, you know, when he shot that first time and I knew he was going to be okay. But it's still to just watch that scene even today. Like my heart races.

It's stressful. It's stressful for me. You said being a fan of the show. So like I assume in the first couple of seasons, the scripts weren't under such a big lockdown because the show wasn't as popular. And towards the end, you must've been very excited to get scripts

that were so secretive or did they just give you your pages so that you wouldn't know too much i mean at the end there they definitely redacted some especially we did have a strip a script got stolen right um i can't remember what season that towards the end one of the writers was mean to you that day um no somebody broke into someone's car and got a script. I'll tell you, our script for Jeffries has been sitting on my car seat for about two months.

I get me car washed every couple of weeks. No one's taking it. I will say this, though. Like, when I first started watching the show, yeah, you're definitely on Walter's side. And then Hank as the agent, you're just like, eh, yeah, I'm not going to be on it. But then as the show progresses, you start,

you start to change who you're rooting for and who you're not rooting for. And then, but I, I, I think that was part of the genius of the show too, is kind of like you break bad with the show too, where you're like, like you said at the end, you're like, I shouldn't like Walter White anymore, but I still do. Does that make me a bad person? because he's done all these terrible things and wait so you just said break bad so what what what does breaking bad mean like he like you know he's

a good person i mean he's he's he's a you know a father of a family and he's a chemistry teacher at high school and he and he ends up getting cancer and he has he he has a certain skill that he can do to try that he you're on board board with it. Cause you're like the medical, the healthcare system sucks. You can't afford to pay for his, his cancer treatment. He's trying to underdog. Yeah.

He's an underdog, like works at the carwash. His boss is just shitty. So he'd had a moment in his life where he was screwed over for a lot of money. Yeah. Where, where he invented something and then he sort of get bought out very early

on. And then, you know what I mean? So you feel like this guy has been screwed over. He wants to provide for his family. It's like somebody who's been forced to do bad things. The bad things he's doing to begin with are out of love. Yeah.

So, so, so the breaking bad part is like, you know, he, he starts off as this really wholesome, like good person. And then he becomes this bad, evil person. And that's what makes him great because no one suspects him obviously because well and he gets you know originally he's like okay i'm gonna do this this awful thing i'm gonna get some money to leave for my family they have nothing because i i am a teacher and i'm i'm you know dying at 50, you know, my wife's having a baby. So you can make excuses for him, but then he gets a taste of the power and he's like, yeah, this feels good. This feels right.

You know, and then he just keeps going. He doesn't stop. I'm the one who knocks or whatever is the big thing. But then of course, and then of course, famously, you know, like Skylar is like really, Oh, I don't want to ruin everything. Since you haven't seen it yet. I am going to watch it. But then she becomes mad.

Like she gets turned to. She has an affair. She has to make a decision with her family too, and she chooses her family. But, well, her immediate family there because, you know, Betsy's character, Marie, is part of her family too and then doesn't get disregards that part of her family, you know, which is like it's amazing.

It's an amazing show. I think you could do a sequel. I think you could do a sequel where Walter Jr. picks up the family business. What would Marie be doing in the sequel then? Stealing. Oh, Marie's just living high on the hog from all that police. High on the hog.

Oh, yeah. She's living high on the hog from all that police pension that keeps on getting paid the hog. Oh, yeah. She's living high on the hog from all that police pension that keeps on getting paid to her. Oh, yeah. He wasn't a police officer. He was a drug enforcement guy. D-E-A. He would have started out as a cop to get to that position.

Okay. I have a thing that's like facts about Breaking Bad. Yeah. I'd like to ask these. Jim, you can answer them and Betsy, you can too, because you may or may not know them, even though you were a part of the show. I wish we had ask these. Jim, you can answer them, and Betsy, you can too, because you may or may not know them, even though you were a part of the show. I wish we had buzzers.

Yeah. There were, as far as I can count, one, two, three, four, five comedians on the show. Ah. Can you name all five? I don't think you can name all five. I think I can name you a few. Okay.

Bilbo. Bilbo was on the show. LaValle Crawford. LaValle Crawford played Huel. Bilbo played Kubi. think i can name me a few okay uh bilbo bilbo was on the show lavelle crawford lavelle crawford played hugh bilbo played kubi um uh what's his name bloody hell i'm friends with this fucking guy um joe derosa uh no he wasn't he's in uh better call saul better call saul joe derosa but you better call saul should be a big clue for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Bob Odenkirk. Bob Odenkirk is one of them. Yeah, he plays Saul.

I'll tell you my Bob Odenkirk story very briefly. There's two more, though. Can you name the others or no? No, I don't know. So Stephen Michael Quesada. Quesada. And Gallagher. Who plays Gomi, Hank's partner.

He's a stand-up comic. I didn't know he was a stand-up comic. Yeah, he does stand-up comedy. I've seen him with flappers before. I tell you what. And Jim Beaver, right? That says Javier Grejeda, who was Gus Fring's boss at the cartel

and the man who put a severed head on the tortoise. I tell you what, they're all- Who else are you saying? They're all fine. I said Jim Beaver, but you're talking about Danny Trejo. Yeah, well, this says Javier Grejeda. No, not the- Oh, Hav! Yeah, yeah, yeah. It says hejo. Yeah, well, this is Javier Grajada.

Oh, Jav! It says he's a comedian as well, too. And then it also says Brian Quincy. He's awesome. I tell you what, they're all fine comedians. They're all very good comedians. You could put a hell of a show on with that lineup. There's not a weak one amongst them.

You've got to tell your Odenkirk story. I've got to tell you my Odenkirk story. I'm at a Netflix party. Some's thing or something that i showed up to because i had the special or whatever so i went to this netflix thing and i see bob odin kirk and i have met him once or twice but just in passing and so i walked up and i went i was like hey my name is jim jeffries i'm a. I love Breaking Bad and we've met before. And then he said to me, he goes, oh, Jim, how are you doing? Good.

He goes, there should be an audition coming your way. I've written a script. I think it was with David Cross, right? He goes, I've written a script and the description is a Jim Jeffries-like character. So you should be getting an audition coming your way. Never got the audition. And, uh,

and I go, Oh, so this character is like a cool guy. He goes, he's pretty shady fella. Uh, here's another terrific question. The coordinates that Walt hid the money at,

he put on a lotto ticket. Yeah. Like, so those are actually, those are actual coordinates. That's where he supposedly, where he hid the $80 million in cash. In real life, where are those coordinates?

What are those coordinates? Oh, what, the numbers? Yeah, what is that? What's the location? Yeah, what's the location? Oh, the location. I don't know if you know this, Betsy. It'll be something kitschy.

It'll be like the White House. Do you know, Betsy, or no? I don't remember. No, it's okay. I'm sure there's so much stuff that i wouldn't expect um wait that's in the last yeah he puts the coordinates on a lotto ticket and he puts a lot of ticket on the fridge and that's where the 80 million in cash is buried yeah they point straight to q studios in albuquerque where breaking bad plus hollywood films such as

avengers are shot so now here's something but When you're doing a show like this where people are dying left, right, and center, do you open a script with one eye where you're like, ah. Oh, my God. I'll do you one better. once people start dying on the show, he called me and left me a voicemail and said, Betsy, it's Mark Johnson. Would you call me back please? And I was at my friend's house at a dinner party. And I was like,

Oh fuck, they're going to kill Marie. This is it. And then I started thinking about what do I want to do next? How are they going to kill her? Blah, blah, blah.

And then I went and I, I, it's embarrassing that it took me this long to even get there, but I just freaked out at first. And I went, Vince would call me first. He wouldn't, it wouldn't be Mark calling and tell me like Vince would call me and tell me first. And I said, um, I called him back and I said, uh, I had just want to ask you, what, what did you call for?

I said, glad to talk, but what did you call for? And he said, I, and he, he kind of seemed shocked that I just said, I said, because when you're doing a show like we're doing, you don't leave just, you know, what I think sounds like an ominous and very, one of the actors voicemails. And I said, I was like, Oh my God, you're going to kill me off. And then I felt pretty confident that Vince would make that phone call to me. And he said, my wife and I just want to take you and your husband out to dinner.

And I said, give me ever. I mean, dinner, yes, but don't do it like this. Fuck you. Yes, we'll go to dinner on Friday. Dinner, you know. Different, different. Yeah, I had a whole freak out moment. I say that to my management now when they send me a text, call us.

Don't write that. Just tell me what it's about. Write nothing big. Call me when you get a chance. Give me a little bit of like, because I answer the phone to my reps like this. What's wrong? You know when you start your career and you think,

oh, maybe they're ringing me up about a movie. Every time you see them like ringing you, this is exciting. Now I'm like, what's been canceled? or a tv show I've I've had time there was one time I remember I avoided their phone call my agent or my manager all day because I wanted I was supposed to go in and test for something and then and we've been going round and round about this one particular job. And then I wasn't available for it because I already had a different show that I was going to finish and I was continuing. So I wasn't available. But I still wanted to go in and test because I had worked on that material and I was ready and I wanted to do it.

And so I was going to go in that day and they called and called. This is like, you know, I don't know, probably 4.30 and I was probably supposed to be there at 5, 5.15. And I pick up the phone and I said, what? And they said, you can't go. And I said, I'm going, I'm going. And my manager said, how are you going to get on the lot? And I said, do you really think that's our biggest problem right now? I was just working at that studio yesterday. I know some people. And I said, I don't care if they don't even tape me, if they don't record it, nothing. I want to go in and do it. I'm ready to do it. I want to go in. I have props. I want to do it and leave. And if it doesn't come for anything because I'm not available, fine. But I want to do it and leave and if it doesn't come for anything because i'm not available fine but i want to go in and i am going to do that fucking scene today and they it took them a while

but to but i really wished i would not have taken that call and just showed up and gone in and the first time i went on the lot at nbc they go because jim jeffries is my real name you can see my real name on wikipedia it's i use my hang on i'm gonna look it up right now my real name my real name is jeffrey nugent in case jeffrey with a g but jeffrey james jim jeffries like jeffrey yeah yeah yeah like that yeah you're so fancy i'm fancy i didn't think the first time i walked on stage as jeffrey nugent someone said please welcome the comedy stylings of godfrey nugget if comedy doesn't work out you can i went godfrey nugget that's not gonna that's not a guy who's gonna sell a few tickets anyway i call you that you can call me godfrey nugget from now on so so anyway so i show up at

the mbc like this is to do an audition years ago and uh and they put me on the door as as jim jeffries and i show up and i went and they go please show your ID and they go well this isn't the ID I said Jim Jefferies um but I'm Jim Jefferies a stage name blah blah blah and they went no no you can't come on the lot you need a proper ID with your name and then so I got out of my car I walked around opened the trunk up and I pulled out one of my DVDs and then I walked back up and went I'm Jim Jefferies. And they go, that's still not a bit of ID. And I went, this is harder to make than a fake ID. I had to record the special, do a photo shoot.

Imagine being that dedicated to getting onto the NBC lot. I don't want to get onto this lot that much. I'm not trying to pull one over here. Wait, wait, wait. When was this? This was about five years ago. Okay years ago all right uh there's one more fact here that in albuquerque clinic the sage neuroscience center i just think this is interesting is using the show's popularity to help get new mexicans off narcotics state has the highest rate of addiction us by sharing their

stories of addiction entrants have the chance to win one of two Breaking Addiction Scholarships, which entitle them to 12 weeks of free rehabilitation treatment worth thousands of dollars. So that's a good thing. That's a good thing. I just thought it was a nice little thing. Quick question, Betsy.

When you were on set, did you ever try any of the blue meth? What was it made out of? Do you even see any? It's rock candy. It's. So people would just be eating it? Rock candy. Yeah.

Okay. So I think that's it. I'm like, unless you have a show. I did mention the dinner party fact. You don't have to have one of them. But if you have a story or something you want to share, if not, that's fine. It's. Oh, my God.

There's so, so many I could share from Breaking Bad. I mean, I feel like a good one is that Vince said we wouldn't go past three seasons. Yeah. That this was going to be a short show and that he always said he wanted to leave the party early, but it was so good that we still left the party early after six seasons. Now, I know you can't tell us,

but I'm going to ask you anyway. Oh, please on better call sol like it's coming up it's coming up hank's coming in i know hank's already been on it yeah yeah he hank has been on it um you know what i hope so we've talked about it we've talked about it a you know a couple for a couple of seasons um and then you're mentioned your character is mentioned yeah i hear your calendar just opened up as well um but i i'd love to i mean i love those guys and i think that show is fantastic i feel like that's how you do can you put in a good word for me with vince because he puts comics in there could be he does it could be just an just an Australian bloke who's backpacking around.

Who's a shady guy. That's the problem with Australians. You want to talk about people not getting roles for their ethnicity and stuff like that. This accent is a piece of shit when it comes to acting. I'll tell you why. Because whenever I'm in something and I have my own accent, they have to explain why my accent's there.

They're like, oh, he's an Australian bloke. They never explain British people. You can have a romantic comedy and have like a bumbling guy that'll be like, oh, hello, oh, sorry, Mary, you dropped this. Right, that, right? And they're always allowed to be in it. But you can never have like a romantic comedy where it's just me going, geez, you're a good-looking bird.

Fucking hell, right? have like a romantic comedy where it's just me going geez you're a good looking bird fucking hell right british people can be bond villains all day turn around and with their cat and just go you have come to the wrong place you can never have a bloke like me going hey bond you cunt no it just doesn't happen it just doesn't happen so so i can't this accent. That's why all my acting jobs have been me playing myself. No one thinks I'm responsible enough to play. What's your dream role, Jim? Joffrey. What's your dream role?

Okay, my dream, and it's not as much. Australian Elvis. My dream's not as much a role, but my dream is for Corona to last as long as possible and for us all to quarantine until we're old. And then I'm going to be able to tell people I could have been something. I'll use it as an excuse. If it wasn't for COVID, I would have been the biggest star.

But at the height of my career, it was like when Muhammad Ali couldn't fight because of the Vietnam War. And Elvis had to go up to the army and all that stuff. This is my Vietnam right now. Right now. Acting role. I think I've done. You know what?

I always wanted to do like a dramatic part thinking. Because you look at Robin. I was just going to ask you. Robin Williams and stuff getting like awards for like doing dramatic. Like got an Oscar. Bob Odenkirk. Yeah, Bob Odenkirk doingkirk a comedian that does dramatic but then i did a couple of scenes in legit where i had to cry or i was in trouble or something tragic was happening and i just hated doing those scenes

because afterwards you're really sad like after you do a comedy you're always like that was fun that was fun but when you do a crying scene and they go i try to try to remember something bad from your life or a death in the family or something i can't stop i remember the most tragic parts of my life i can cry on cue and i would be bawling my eyes out and then afterwards people go that was great. Maybe for you. I had a horrible time. Have you ever played a bad guy? Have you played a villain? No.

Like evil. I think I could be a good villain. I've got the good eyebrows for the villain. I could do that. Or I could play the rock after a horrible disease. A disfiguring accident. I could be the before and after picture for the rock after things went horribly wrong uh all right well um betsy brant thank you so much for being

thanks you guys for having me so good to like kind of see you i miss you i miss you too i'm looking forward to us to working again eventually on Better Call Saul. Can you make that happen sooner? I don't want to wait. I don't want to wait. I would steal that script, but I think you, I mean, I have it, so I don't need to steal it. You know what I did before because we were a week out from getting into rehearsals and everything like that.

I was memorizing the script. I'd sit there with my girlfriend every day. I'd do a page a day because I don't act that much, so it takes me a long time to memorize things. I memorized theizing the script. I'd sit there with my girlfriend every day. I'd do a page a day because, you know, I don't act that much. So it takes me a long time to memorize things. I memorized the whole fucking thing. I had the script from top to bottom. And then COVID happens. I couldn't tell you the first sentence.

I don't even remember what it's about. It's just like studying for an exam. And now I've shaken it out of me head. And now I've got to fucking start again. What did you replace it with? Oh, just simple facts about pies do you think it'll change do you think you'll change it at all like given that we've all been stuck home for uh four months yeah i don't i don't think i don't think we're going to change

the script too much i think maybe there was i wrote a second episode because we had time and there was mentioning of COVID in the second episode. LaPaglia's character kept on saying that he didn't get COVID because he went out all the time. And that was the whole thing. I've kept in contact with Anthony a lot. He's got a few different ideas.

I had an idea for his character going on, it doesn't matter, of going on a season of The Bachelorette, but for old people. Yeah, but he's like, well, no, no, no. No, no, no. Easy. He goes, he goes, he goes, flies back and forth from Australia. He's in quarantine all the time.

Australia, you fly in. Did you hear what happened in in quarantine all the time. Australia, you fly in. Did you hear what happened in Australia? So what happens in Australia is you fly in and you... Did I mention this on a podcast already? No. Okay, so you fly in now. This podcast won't be for a few weeks. Yeah, you fly in now.

They put you in quarantine for two weeks in a hotel. They just drive... Get you on a bus. They just drive you there. They put you off, right? Now, this was going on. Australia got down to like... I'm just spitballing this, but like 140 cases of COVID in the whole country.

No one had it. It was all good. They'd fly in. The people would be tested and their temperature every day, right? Now, in Melbourne, they've had an outbreak again because what they did was they had the army on all the other hotels, right? But in Melbourne, they just chose a security company, right? What happened was one of the security guys started shagging all the girls

that had come in because people are probably pretty horny there. They've been locked up for two weeks. You know what I mean? There's nothing to do. So this security guy started shagging a couple of the birds in the thing, and then he took one of them out to take a clothes shopping. Anyway, the pandemic's off again in Australia. Oh, God.

One security guard. One security guy acted like a dickhead. The butterfly effect of being an asshole is huge. Okay. I mean, I was trying to wrap it up differently than that. But thanks again, Betsy, for being on the podcast. You got it. Thanks, you guys. All right, Jim. I mean, I was trying to wrap it up differently than that. Thanks again, Betsy, for being on the podcast. You got it.

Thanks, you guys. All right, Jim, next time I see you, I will have a pecan pie. Pecan pie. Hold on. We'll get a picture of you guys together. Oh, yeah. We're not together. Jim stitches his head by the TV.

You've got to do your sign-off. I put my head by the TV like that. It's the only way we can take pictures of COVID. Oh, geez. Pull your pants up. He's going to sit next to the TV now with his dirty LA hat. There you go. He's smiling now. Now he's next to the TV.

You got to tell Betsy. Okay, Betsy. Alright, there we go. Beautiful family photo. Alright, you want to sign off, Jim or we're done you should have signed off before i just i'll use one of my old catchphrases uh we could all do better good night australia hey everybody jason ellis here from the j Jason Ellis Show podcast, reminding you that my podcast, new episodes every Wednesday, downloadable where all podcasts are available.

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