I Don't Know About That - Prison with Larry Lawton

Episode Date: November 9, 2021

In this episode, the team discusses prison with America's biggest jewel thief, Law Enforcement Consultant, and author of "Gangster Redemption", Larry Lawton. Follow Larry on Instagram @RealLarryLawton and on Tiktok @LarryLawton. Make sure to listen to “The Real Deal w/ Larry Lawton" on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Go to RealityCheckProgram.com to learn more about Larry's program to help young people make better choices and connect Law Enforcement with the community and to buy his book "Gangster Redemption". For all other links to where you can connect with Larry, go to his LinkTree at linktr.ee/RealLarryLawton . Go to LoopedLive.com to buy tickets to our live virtual event! Find it under upcoming experiences! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

for free carpets rugs did they start out as carpets and then the room got bigger you might find out and i don't know about that with jim jeffries i didn't even hear the music is it done no i heard the music for a bit don't worry about jack just start halfway through jesus christ we're doing a professional production two of our two of our people No, I heard the music for a bit. Don't worry about it, Jack. Just start the podcast. It stopped halfway through. Jesus Christ. We're going to have a professional production. Two of our people, Luis and Forrest, are home. Can I say why? Are we allowed to say why?

You're keeping this secret. Yes. They've both got COVID. We were making out. Yeah, they've both got COVID. Two separate incidences of COVID. I was with Forrest the weekend he got COVID. We don't know how it happened.

We were only gigging in New Orleans, Texas and Oklahoma. And it just happened out of nowhere. But I was in a car with him for four hours every day for like four days. Forrest did tell me that there was a guy who came up to him and was like just talking very closely to his face. I mean, everything that I, you know, look, if you're vaccinated like we all are, it's very hard to get it from other vaccinated people. You're most likely going to get it from an unvaccinated person. Viral load is heavier. Their antibodies aren't coded all over the virus. And there was one guy that after a show came from behind me and like was like right in my face was like cool shirt, whatever.

And it was like he's any closer. He would have been making out with me. And I was just like, all right. And I backed away from he was like spit on me. You know, not on have been making out with me. And I was just like, all right. And I backed away from him. He was like, spit on me. You know, not on purpose, but. I bet you wish you didn't wear that shirt now. That's why I wear a basic black t-shirt. I don't want anyone to come and say, cool shirt.

There you are with your panda t-shirt. You got to get COVID again if you want to dress flashy like that. Something important. It's the ninth right now. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but we have our live show tonight. So if you don't have tickets yet, go to loopslive.com. Live show. We just did shows in LA.

They went wonderful. We've just announced more tour dates. Jack, where are they just off the top of your head? Orlando. Tampa. Pittsburgh. Edmonton. All over Canada.

We're doing all over the place. Go to jimjeffries.com. Tickets are on sale now. If there's a pre-sale code, the code is MOIST. If they're just on general sale, you can get them now on general sale. But we've just announced like another six months worth of gigs. And I'm sorry for everybody that was going to go to the Canada shows that I advertised for two weeks.

Yeah. Not allowed to go to Canada with COVID. Apparently they've got strict rules. Old COVID Joe over there. He's not allowed to go in. Forrest lost his sense of smell and taste, yet he's still eating a lot. What has happened there?

Did they put you off food? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that muscle memory. I know what Taco Bell tastes like. Now I'm a texture guy. No, it's weird because my sense of smell, I'm on the down end of it now of the COVID, and it wasn't too harsh, the symptoms,

but I did lose my sense of smell. And I was able to smell my own shit again the other day, so that was exciting. Because I've been ringing him each day. He's had COVID for about five days or six days already. And I rang him up. I said, how are you feeling today? And he goes, oh, good day.

He goes, I was on the toilet and I could smell my own shit. He started cheering to himself. That's when you know you're on the mend. Imagine how foul that must smell to somebody without COVID. Well, I said maybe it's just a particularly pungent shit. Maybe it was just that his other shit's a bit... It's a spicy one? It broke through the bad senses.

Maybe because he can't smell and eat. He's just been eating mold. It's made his shit extra pungent. And Luis, you got COVID, what, from drinking out of a cow's udder this weekend? No, I was the one wearing the cow udders. So whoever took a so... I dressed as a cow for Halloween. Oh, he dressed as a cow's udder this weekend? No, I was the one wearing the cow udders. So whoever took a so-called... I dressed as a cow for Halloween.

Oh, he dressed as a cow for Halloween. And he had a working udder with four different valves that you could drink from. Everybody at your party has COVID. Tequila on the valve? Right, so how many people did you give COVID to, Luis? Well, I was telling Kelly, I feel worse for the person

who sucked my penis, but it was a joke. Why would you repeat that? Why would you repeat that? I didn't even laugh when you texted it to me. No, we immediately made fun of you. Like, why did you say that? This is why we don't let Luis talk.

The first time he talks, he's like, I feel sorry for the woman. Either way you said it, it was like, I feel sorry for the woman who sucked my penis It was like, I feel sorry for the way the woman who sucked my penis. Louise, was she your third or fourth cousin? Yeah, come on. Come on. You forget that delivery is very important in comedy. What's funny?

Oh, we lost you again. The irony that our sound guy is fucking in the shower doesn't work. Here we are. Tell your story about that woman who sucked your dick and got COVID. The irony that our sound guy is fucking in the shower doesn't work. Here we are. Tell your story about that woman who sucked your dick and got COVID. The irony is what? And now she's in fucking hospital in a respirator. I was going to deliver it with a lot of confidence, but I realized my mom's just right next door.

You probably gave her COVID when she sucked your dick. That's how you time a joke, my friend. Oh, poor Emma. Oh, poor Emma. Oh, God. We got a little announcement. A friend of me and Jack's, really, Mick Malloy is just retired from Triple M Australia. I do his

show once a week, and always in the show, they're a champion of this podcast, and they always play a little snippet of the podcast to our Australian listeners. It's one of the biggest radio shows in the country and Mick has decided to call it a day after working for the station for 11 days.

But last time we were on the show, Mick always goes, I just want to play a little bit from your podcast. And normally he plays a bit that's like 10 seconds long where I say something stupid and then he goes, what happened there? And then I talk about it, right? This time he said, I have a clip. I don't know. Have you two heard this? I have a clip of you talking about The Bachelor. And then he played the clip. This is the clip. This is a clip of our own show we're playing back right now.

On Triple M all around Australia, you are listening to Malloy. I Don't Know About That is the name of the podcast that's available. It's with our next guest, Jim Jeffries, and it's always a great listen, Mickey. Jim, how are you, mate? Thanks for joining us. Good. Thanks for having me as always. We've been listening to your most recent podcast, and there's many bombshells in your latest,

including your passion for The Bachelor. Here's just a sample from the latest podcast. We're going to be talking about The Bachelor, which is incidentally one of my favourite TV shows and I'm quite open about it. What's with Katie? She says she found true love and she still goes mental in the Final Rose episode. Claire, Dale's too far out of your league.

What were you thinking when she did that whole speech? I will never apologise for love. I always thought that they would dress because everyone looks so immaculate. You have to bring your own clothes. You'd think that I, as a man, would like to watch The Bachelor, because there's more women to look at, but I like to see the blokes have a bit of fun. You can probably get three group dates, and someone who really wins would get

three solo dates. That's the big thing. Can I steal you for a moment? That Italian guy that no one likes. Oh, I'm Pablo? I'm Pablo, yeah, yeah. And the guys are like, I cannot believe that you want to be the bachelor. He was hit up on Instagram. He's a gorgeous man. In person.

Oh my god. He lived on a farm that had a population of like 150 people. That f***ing, there's always a bloke with a f***ing guitar who'll find a reason to sing whenever he can. Cause his love for you is something that you don't understand.

Straight in there. Like they had two girls in one episode. Shut up. Shut up. You're all in. There's a bit to unpack there. That's fucking fantastic. It was nonstop.

How do we get that editor on our show? Whenever they play you go, go, this won't last long And I just sit there going, oh gosh They added music cues First of all, thanks to them for playing our podcast That's really nice That's too bad Hopefully he's retiring because he's going to

Relax and enjoy himself He's been a legend of radio for a very, very long time He's probably going to play this bit right now He's been a legend of radio for a very, very long time. He's probably going to play this bit right now. He's been a legend of radio in Australia for a very long time, and he'll probably go on to do something. But he's also got one of the number one TV shows in the country, so I don't know how busy a guy has to be. It is funny because that episode, there were so many people like,

why the fuck are you doing an episode on The Bachelor? Which obviously they haven't seen your stand-up in a while because you talk about The Bachelor in your stand-up. But he's passionate about it. He loves it. And most of those people who said that didn't even fucking listen to the episode. Also, we do everything from cheese to war. Yeah. And that's somewhere in between. Yep. Yes, it is. I think it's closer to war. I watched The Bachelor last night. I didn't get all the way through it with the baby. It's so hard to keep up for a three hour episode. So I've still got an hour and a half waiting for me when I get home.

So I'm over this. Wait, The Bachelor's three hours long? Oh, sometimes, yeah. And then other episodes like two and a half and it's like, and then sometimes they'll give you two episodes a week. It fucking goes. It doesn't stop. It's a time commitment. This week, you wouldn't believe it. There's a bloke who

threw a fucking jacket in the pool and it was classic bullying. So he didn't like this one bloke. So this bloke who threw a fucking jacket in the pool and there was it was classic bullying so he didn't like this one bloke so this bloke goes off with the girl michelle goes off with michelle and he's can i have some time with you please and he goes up and talks with her and he's like that guy disrespected me now he's going to learn what disrespect is all about so the guy got his jacket you know we learn off the podcast they have to buy their own clothes. They have to buy their own clothes. And he got his jacket and he threw it in the swimming pool.

And everyone's like, dude, if you react, then you'll get kicked off as well because there'll be two people fighting. You have to be the bigger man. And so the guy, like, when you're bullied, it really hurts your feelings, man. And so he sort of cried and he went to the hotel. He goes, this guy's pushing my buttons, man. That's what he said to the producers, he's pushing my buttons. He threw my fucking jacket in the pool, man.

How is anybody not interested in this show when you hear these descriptions? And you're saying it goes for three hours. How can you not fit? There's not enough time. There's not enough time. Definitely not. When I was watching, I got, I worked, I did. I think this is a good time to tell everybody that this will only be about The Bachelor this podcast.

Astrology. I did Nick Vile's podcast because he did ours. I went and did his. That's how the podcast world works. And I went and did it. And he told me that Clayton's going to be the next Bachelor and they haven't announced yet. He's still in the season. So my wife had picked Clayton as one of her bets to win.

So she's already lost that bet. But he said that they'll have to edit Clayton really good so he looks really nice because he's the next Bachelor. So he could just be fucking punching people. Are you allowed to say this? Yeah, they've already announced it. It was leaked. Nick said this to me on the podcast. He said it to me live. Oh, maybe off. I'm not sure. Anyway, it's out now. No, it's definitely out there all right let's introduce our guest uh please welcome larry lawton g'day larry now it's time to play yes no yes no yes no judging a book by its cover okay we're short of louise as was mentioned earlier. Okay, so Larry, I'm sitting there, I'm looking at you. You've got a lot of inspirational quotes before you.

A person who falls and gets back up is much stronger than a person who never fell. That's very true. Unless, of course, they became a paraplegic or something. They're much weaker than when they started. But I think we're talking about metaphorically falling. Okay, YouTubers. So, Larry, you're a YouTuber. they started. But I think we're talking about metaphorically falling. Okay.

YouTubers. So Larry, you're a YouTuber? Yes, I am. Yeah. Okay. So he's a popular YouTuber. I want to say that Larry's an influencer. And I want to say that he's here to talk about influencing.

Oh, really? What type of influencing? The youth into taking drugs. That's how I got into them. Okay. Is your specialty, because I'm judging a book by a cover here, is your specialty got something to do with cars? No. No.

Okay. Has it got to do with health? No. No. Has it got to do with showbiz? A little bit, but not really. Not directly. So there's like a reality show of what he does,

like Dog the Bounty Hunter or something like that. Fuck no. Yeah. I've been watching Dog, fuck it, hell. I'm fucking bald. I saw an old dog in the, what's the name, that girl who went missing. I saw he was on the case.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. How the fuck did Dog ever hide behind someone's house? He sticks out like a sore thumb. He looks like a fucking raisin in a wig right now. Like he's not looking good, the old dog. Well, Dog the Bounty Hunter is tangentially related in terms of, I guess, the law enforcement or the, you know,

getting people to what we're talking about. Are you a cop, Larry? You have to say yes if you are. That's the law. Listen, that's a so-so question. A so-so question? What's that mean? Well, because it's part right and part wrong.

Okay, so you're a detective. Private eye. No, no. All right, I give up. All right. I'll just introduce him. Lawrence Larry Lawton is an author, YouTube influencer, speaker, teen and young adult expert, and law enforcement consultant.

Larry developed the nationally recognized Reality check program and co-authored gangster redemption with eight time New York times bestseller author, Peter Gollenbach. Larry appears regularly on national TV and radio as an expert on crime, prisons, drugs, teen issues, and law enforcement community policing. Larry is the only ex con in the United States to be sworn in as an honorary police officer and only ex con recognized on the floor of the United States Congress for sworn in as an honorary police officer and only ex-con recognized on the floor of the United States Congress for his work with helping young people

and law enforcement agencies connect with the community. His book, Gangster Redemption, is available through his website, realitycheckprogram.com, and his podcast, The Real Deal with Larry Lawton, is on all major platforms. So, Larry, can you just walk us through, how did you come to be an expert in prisons? Well, you know, the bio is probably a little off. How I usually say it when I'm on stage, I'm still known as the biggest jewel robber ever in the United States. I robbed between 15 and 18 million.

I was associated with the Gambino crime family. I went away for not telling. Let me get that straight. And I did four 12-year sentences. I was in prison. When I was in prison, I was tortured by guards, strapped down naked,

beaten, pissed on, got my law degree. I can't be a lawyer because of my record. I had one of the worst records in prison. I was in maximum security prison and I've been on Con Air 16 times. And now I developed the number one program in the country, helping young people stay out of prison, uh, blew up

YouTube in a year and a half to 1.3 million subscribers. And, uh, you know, it's funny because when he did the cop question, you know, I don't like cops. But then again, I'm an honorary cop. The only one. So, you know, it's kind of funny there. But and then in Congress, you know, also as a man who was recognized on Congress, I figured, fuck this. Four hundred and thirty five congressmen, 100 senators. And I probably got the least record out of all of them. The real record.

And I probably got the least record out of all of them. The real record. So, but, and then, you know, when I opened what I do to, to,

we're going to get into it. What Jim's going to know is, well, I told you Kelly, is it Kelly? Right. Is it Kelly? Yeah.

I told you Kelly something. I'll tell him if he ever catches it. Well, a couple of stories that'll probably shock him. And I have a very big audience in Australia. And just for you, Jim, to say, I loved your show.

I loved your comedy. I still do. Mike Marino. You, I think you know him too. I love Mike. Yeah. I like Mike.

He's a very good friend of mine. I'll be seeing him in November 13th down here in Boca. And I, I guess I'm glad to see you. And great. And I just, I'm glad to see you. And great, really enjoy you. I'm glad to see you, mate. Thank you. It's very sweet of you.

Perfect. Well, let's find out what Jim knows about. Don't say sweet to an ex-con. You know, it can get ugly. That's why we got you on Zoom, mate, just to keep it safe. All right. So this part, we are going to run through these questions, mate, just to keep it safe. All right.

So this part, we are going to run through these questions. I'm going to ask Jim everything. What's the specialty subject? Prison. Prison. Oh, I know a bit about prison. I've watched a lot of Locked Up Abroad. So I'm going to ask Jim everything he thinks he knows about prison. I'll be taking notes as well, and then we'll go back through.

We lost Jack. Jack just walked out. He got intimidated is what happened. Went and shut himself. All right, let's get started. All right. So can you tell me the difference between like a federal prison versus a state prison versus jail? Federal means the entire country. State means the state that you're in. I guess I would imagine, I've never really thought about that. I imagine if you're involved in a state crime versus a federal crime, a federal crime meaning that you embezzled money from different states or something like that or your crimes crossed across borders

or what have you. I assume a federal prison is probably more hardcore than that of a state prison, but maybe I'm wrong on that. And then jail is just like where you get locked up for the night when you've been naughty you put in the drunk tank by the way just just uh larry at the end of this these questions you have to grade jim on his accuracy zero through ten and ten's the best we want to know jim dead oh yeah sorry about that i forgot I forgot about the, uh, the categories. Okay. So if Jim gets a 21 through 30, he is prison wine, 11 through 20 prison sex.

Hold on. Hold on. Jack's got something to say. Jack, just, just come sit down. It's a shit show already. Uh, zero through 10 prison of your own mind. Oh yeah. Yeah. I've lived in that one for a while. All right. What type of crimes land you in federal prison? Uh, murder. Okay. All right. What type of crimes land you in federal prison? Murder. Okay. Being a jewel robber.

Jewel robbers are one. I imagine rapes, one of those ones that would always be in there. That's a pretty good one. Raping a jewel robber. That'll get you in there. Perfect. What is the shoe? I have no idea. I have no idea what the shoe is. Perfect. What is the shoe? I have no idea.

I have no idea what the shoe is. Yeah. SHU. SHU. SHU. SH. I have no idea. Okay.

I don't know. I've stayed out of prison my whole life. Good work. What happens during booking? That's when you go in. I've seen the Blues Brothers and you give them their watch and they put it in a little plastic bag and they give you your money and all your stuff they put in and they give you your orange jumpsuit

and then you get all that stuff back when the class is over, which might be 12 years or so. Why are inmates transferred from facility to facility? There could be a number of reasons. Overcrowding could be a reason that they're transferred. It could be that for their own safety, maybe they're getting in too many fights. Maybe they're causing too many fights

and they have to be moved to a more secure facility. Maybe they could put in a petition to move to another facility so their relatives can visit them. Okay. What is REC? That's the rec center. It's where you go down and you get one hour of outdoor activity. That was weird.

You getting that little pop? Yeah. Louise, mute yourself. Yeah, there you go. Should have said that to him years ago. So you get a one-hour outdoor rec activity where you go, you play basketball or you fashion a shiv or something like that. Ask me how to fashion a shiv. I know how to do that. You get a toothbrush and you file

it down. Something to do with your bed springs. I've watched enough movies. What is the black box? The black box is a thing that goes in airplanes that it can't be destroyed when it lands and it will have the recording of everything. And every comic has made the joke in their day. Why isn't the whole plane made out of the same material? Am I right? It can't be destroyed. That's actually a good question. We all laugh at that. What kinds of jobs can inmates have? Well, historically making license plates was a big one, making license plates, doing laundry. making license plates was a big one, making license plates, doing laundry.

You can run the library like Brooks from Shawshank Redemption. You can be a cook. There's that one that they did on Comedy Central where they make pizzas and they do that. So chef, a lot of them learn hairdressing because I saw a thing on this that hairdressing is a thing that they learn. And then afterwards they can't get a job if they have felony charges as a hairdresser. I know. So it's like a skill that they learn. And then afterwards they can't get a job if they have felony charges as a hairdresser. I know.

So it's like a skill that they learn that's a bit useless. There's, you know, anything to keep a small community of people up and running, you know. You need people cleaning, cooking, running the maintenance and stuff, I don't know. All right. What is con air? Con air is when they're shipping federal prisoners from one spot to the other

it's prison plane so you go in there in shackles and you have a flight and you think the meals are bad on united you should go on con air the seats don't recline oh god and you go like this but tv's not working and they go well what do you want me to do we're in the air the wi-fi's 16 what the fuck con air they're all con air really um what is helicopter wire um helicopter wire uh i assume it's something you choke someone with in prison it's a bit of wire that you come and you strangle someone and make them your bitch. Okay.

Can inmates get drugs? If so, how? Well, they can get them shipped in there. The way they get everything, inside a birthday cake next to a file. That'd be a thing of drugs. They'll also have people bring them in. The guards will be paid off and they'll bring in drugs. A lot of stuff's made in toilets. I know that much about prison. If you want to make

something, get in your toilet. You can have wine. I saw one where they were talking to people in different levels of the police station. So men were talking to the women upstairs by putting cups into the toilet and they were chatting to each other on different floors and then they were flushing things, messages to each other. So that doesn't answer your question. What was your question? Can inmates get drugs and how? You answered that question. Of course they can get drugs. People get them in and then they get paid off.

And then, you know, like if you watch like Locked Up Abroad, there's like this in Columbia and stuff like that, the prisons are just like their villages inside the walls and they just have the guards down the outside and they throw you in there and it's like good luck. Yeah. And it's sort of like Lord of the Flies shit. Which movies show the most accurate portrayal of prison?

The movie Life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence. Good. It's a good film. It's an underrated Eddie Murphy movie, that one. It's a good laugh. It's always on telly. It's good fun. Shawshank Redemption, I wouldn't believe would be a real, although it has rape scenes laugh it's always on telly it's good fun um sure shank redemption i

wouldn't believe it'd be a real although it has rape scenes in it and stuff like i i would say i would say um uh what was that uh the the america x or whatever the one with edward american history x i would say that that was pretty accurate that one what about con air i just watched that for the first time last night con Con Air is as accurate a film as, I had a friend who watched Con Air and they said, that was a great documentary. And I said, it's not a documentary. And they went, what? Imagine thinking that was a documentary. The Longest Yard with Adam Sandler. Yeah. The Longest Yard with Adam Sandler is the remake of a Burt Reynolds movie called The Same Thing, which was a remake of a soccer movie that was in Britain. And then that movie was remade with Vinnie Jones. There's been four versions of this film.

It's all the same thing. Professional athlete goes to prison, makes the team good. All right, moving on. Let's go. Where is the most dangerous prison in the country? San Quentin. San Quentin. I'm going to say San Quentin. Everyone in documentary, San Quentin. San Quentin. San Quentin. I'm going to say San Quentin. Everyone in documentary, San Quentin. All right.

And two more. What's a standup guy? Oh, he's a guy who's in the mafia, like a friend, Larry. And they go, hey, the standup guy, that guy. And he's repped by the mafia. So you don't fuck with him when he's in prison because he's a standup guy. Perfect. Okay. And what do prison reform advocates want change?

Like what are their main goals um i don't know for sure what they want to change in particular but i do know that other countries focus on um uh redemption more than um punishment uh so they focus on giving people skills and all that type of stuff rather than reform reforms the word i was looking for reform more than that so maybe they're looking more for reform and less for punishment okay can you ask jim one more question how does bail work bail is an amount of money that is signed by the courts and it is assigned to you mostly if you're rich they try to get you to have more bail so that you won't uh so you'll pay that so you can leave until your trial happens.

And then once your trial happens, I don't believe you do get it back. We did an whole episode on bail once. I know, that's why I asked you what it is. Yeah, I don't believe you do get it back. And I believe it's very hard because if you're poor, any amount of money is hard to get. And how long can somebody be held before they're sentencing if they can't afford bail?

I'll hold you as long as you want, Kelly. As long as you want. All right. Well then, Larry, how did Jim do on a scale of 0 to 10 in accuracy? About a 4. Yeah, man. Yeah. Very proud of that.

Very proud of my lack of prison knowledge. I'm going to give him a grade on confidence. His confidence was actually high. It was really good. So I'm going to give him a nine on confidence. So we're at 13. When you go into the prison, this is what I know, Larry. The first thing you got to do is walk up to the biggest guy there,

punch him in the fucking head, and then he'll beat the shit out of you. But it doesn't matter because everyone will know you're tough and no one will fuck with you from then on. It's the only thing I know about prison got a punch a strong bloke in the head when you get in

nailed it he watched way too many movies Forrest what do you give him on a tether if you did that with the wrong guy you might be his woman for the rest of the time or

but no one else would fuck with me only he will but your asshole is going to come out about the size of a softball. Joke's on you, his asshole's already that big. Yeah, I didn't know it was going to tighten up for me, experience.

Forrest, what's your grade on et cetera? Minus eight. Minus eight. Okay, so we're at a five. So you're in a prison of your own mind, Jim. Mine. I'm pretty good. All right, Larry, you're going to help us go through these questions and tell us where jim got it wrong so uh can you explain to us the difference between a federal prison state prison jail sure obviously he was wrong on this one because murder is a state crime

uh unless it's done on a federal institution like like a federal land, a federal park. The Gabby Petito case actually was at the federal park. So that would have been a federal case. Or and with the difference between the feds and the state is it could be any crime. You could they can actually the feds can actually make a crime federal. You could rob a McDonald's. You think, what does that have to do with the feds can actually make a crime federal. You could rob a McDonald's and you'd think, what does that have to do with the feds? Well, McDonald's gets its potatoes from Idaho. So now you just interrupted interstate commerce. My crime, jewelry robbery, is not a federal crime,

but they got me under the RICO Act. So the RICO is Racketeering Influenced Corruption Organization. And they bring me in there because my diamonds were transferred from one state to another. And once you cross state lines, you're interfering with interstate commerce. It's called the Hobbs Act. And they could make any crime they want federal if the feds want. And if it's a bank, a bank's only reason a bank is a federal crime is because it's FDIC insured. If it wasn't FDIC, there are actual banks that are state banks, not federally insured. That is a state crime. That's why you will see people like Jeffrey Dahmer, who murdered, goes to Boston and Massachusetts. And of course, they would have wanted him federally. But it was a state crime. And he ended up going to a state prison in Massachusetts and getting killed there, which is, you know, that's the difference. It sounds like the state is where you want to go and the federal is not where you want to go. What difference does it make if it's state or federal crime?

Who cares? Like, you're in trouble anyway. Well, there's a big difference. First of all, the work, well, I'll get into the worst prison when we get to that question, a federal prison.

Now we're not talking about a check writer or a doctor who doesn't pay his taxes or some bullshit like that. They go to a camp. If we're talking about a federal prison, like I was in United States penitentiary, penitentiaries are the worst prisons. I was in a prison. We had a murder a month for 18 months. A murder.

Not counting overdoses, not counting suicide. So that's the difference. Now the federal prisons have those kind of prisons have the big, they have drug lords, hit men, mobsters, mega, you don't get a guy who robs

7-Eleven. You don't get a fucking, robs 7-eleven you don't get a fucking you know a crackhead fucking you know doing a hijacking unless it's on a federal land or something of that nature so the feds they try to keep now the federal system is the biggest system in the country uh it by far it's got 200 and something thousand inmates and it's it's a pretty fucked up system and it doesn't and it doesn't matter how much money you have. I was with Nikki Scarfo who killed 30 people and a federal judge. And I used to walk the track when I'm using mob boss in Philly. And he used to say, Larry, I'm going to beat my case.

I said, are you fucking crazy? Fucking guy's gotta be crazy. He thinks he's getting out of prison, killing a federal judge. This guy you never seen in a day like, no, he didn't. That judge had it in for me. Oh. That judge had it in for me. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, he had it in for me. Killed 30 people and a federal judge. And he used to tell me I was going to beat his game.

Not going to happen. So you've got a lot more high-profile prisoners, and there's a lot more money in there, but the feds really try to put a tamper on that, but we'll get into that in another question. So this is a little side track. So, so coming from Australia, am I right in saying that a lot of the prisons in America are privatized? Correct?

Well, that's another question you got wrong. The Monday prison advocates like myself and people want to fix is we want to stop for profit prisons, private prisons. They're literally for profit and they'll come up with how it's cheaper. How can you use your prison model, making money, and then say, oh, we don't want any more customers coming back in. Every person that comes into that prison gets federal dollars. So they want more prisons.

They can say what they want. The biggest mistake the United States has made is private prisons. And they have a couple of them, and they have so many problems. I could get into a long time about that. I would have gone for slavery, but let's go with private prisons. Well, you know, slavery would have been better in some of the private prisons. And there is slavery in prisons, and that's another question that Jim kind of got wrong, but we'll get into that.

What is the shoe? Yeah, I did not know that. The shoe is called, well, it's the hole. Oh, I know what the hole is. Everyone knows what the hole is. Well, the shoe actually acronym is special housing unit. Special housing unit.

And I don't know what the fuck is special about it it's the whole it's a prison within a prison i was in it for three years i was in it for 11 straight months and you do fucking go crazy so that's solitary confinement yeah that's what you would call another word i've seen it so many that doesn't mean you're so old. Sometimes you have a cellmate in there or two, and now try to be in that cell with a person and you're shitting, eating, doing everything in a box, eight foot by 10 foot and try to live like that for a few months. And you'll start going crazy too.

And when you see it in movies, there's not even a bed or anything and there's no TV or anything like that. Is that accurate? Or there's a bed, right? No, there is probably an inch thick mattress, no pillow. It's got a hump on the end of a plastic mat. I actually flushed a mattress down a fucking toilet. If you ever see the toilet in prison, they have suction. It's a suction.

I actually cut up a mattress and flushed the whole fucking thing down the toilet because I was pretty pissed at them. But the... Wait a second. How does that get back at that? I'm going to sleep on the floor now. That'll show you.

No, they'll leave three of them in there. They'll start crying. They don't give a shit. So you'll go into a new cell and there'll be three of them. You can't even put them anywhere. You can't put them on top. If you try to put them on top of each other, you'd be hitting the bunk above you or you try to put it away. What the fuck am I going to do with this stupid thing? Too many mattresses.

Too many mattresses. It's not a mattress and there's no a mattress. And there's no TV. The federal system has no TV. There is no TVs in the federal system. And there's no conjugal visits. You know, people say, oh, okay, you know, you can meet your wife once a month. No. I got put in a hole for jacking off of myself.

I mean, think of that. I mean, and that's actually. That's going to stop you from doing it again, put you in an isolation room. Put me in a room alone more. No, the system is so broke, so fucking broke. Actually, and this is known throughout the world,

the United States has the worst prison system in the free world. And what I mean by that is like Australia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, all the non-third world countries, the United States has totally, and it's well known, the worst prison system out of all of them.

Yeah, look, I'm always very... That's what they should tell you in prisons. It's like, forget the rape part. You can't jerk off in prisons. That would stop people, I think. That would stop us all. I'm very hesitant to ever say anything bad about America because whenever I do, I get in trouble. People are like, fuck you, go back to Australia.

But I have heard this theory that the prisons are... What was the stat? I think I did a stat return that 1% of all Americans are incarcerated and that's like triple that of anywhere else in the free world. Is that stat right or am I talking out of my ass right now? You are close. I think it's now at one person every 120 has either seen time

or done time in the United States. So if you took the 300 million people, whatever that is, but it's a high number compared to any other country. And we have the worst recidivism rate out of most countries and the worst incarceration rate. So we're not doing a lot of things right in that end. We're really a throwaway country. And we call that put a person in prison and throw them away. Now, I'm a rarity because the recidivism is so high. The recidivism in the United States is up to 70% if you leave from the hole. Or it's regular, like 48%, 50%, depending on what state and prison. Now, there is a difference between state and federal prison, obviously,

and we'll get into that here in a minute. Did the reason you don't get back is because you had a couple of diamonds that they never found? How many? No, what diamonds where? No. I never found? How many?

No. What time is where? No. Listen, you know, when I went to prison, I saw too many young people come into prison and I don't give a fuck who they are, how bad ass they think they are. They're not when they get there. And you see their lives ruined. And I'll give you a quick little summary how that works. You take a kid who's 20 years old, he's got a drug addiction,

and he goes and robs a bank with a note. You know, he's just going to fucking get money. He's in the attic. He goes to a bank. He goes to federal prison. They give him four years in prison. Okay, he can do four years in prison. They don't even send him to a MAC. They send him to a medium prison. And here's this kid, gets in there. They don't help his addiction at all. There's more drugs in prison than on the street people go what do you mean i go if you want heroin to sell on the corner if you want coke over there if you want acid i did the greatest acid in prison oh my god so there's all the drugs you want right there so when you get that kid, he now has an addiction. He goes to prison. And what does he do? He does drugs. So what does the prison do? They put him in the hole

for 60 days. They take away his visits for six months. They take away his commissary for six months. And they take away his phone privileges for six months. So they never help this kid. He gets out of the hole. What does he do? He needs to do drugs. He needs to connect with people. If he had a connection of somebody on the street that he was calling a construction work owner and he was going to get a job when he got out because he said, I'll give you a second chance. He already loses connection with that kid.

that kid now if the kid gets out of prison without hepatitis hiv which hepatitis is near 40 in prison hiv is 20 or something near 20 so now if you take a kid who goes to prison and he happens to get out he's either a fucking psychopath because nobody ever helped his addiction he's not scared of prison anymore before you know it the kid's still an addict now he's gonna you're his next victim so we really have a broken system in trying to help people and that's just part of why i do what i do you know to try now when you're talking about the drugs right so there's a lot of drugs in prison where do they get the money to buy drugs i've been a poor person who liked drugs and I used to have to save up for him. And I had a job.

So in prison, you'll have a job and you'll have to do something. You might be somebody's bitch. You might have to stab somebody. You might have to do whatever it is. You will get credit in prison and how you pay for that credit. It could be a number of ways in prison. And there's more money in prison.

We had one guy in our prison who was making 10,000 a month every month as a drug ways in prison. And there's more money in prison. We had one guy in our prison who was making 10,000 a month every month as a drug dealer in prison. And there's people who have money. When I went to prison, I had money. There's a lot of mob bosses, people, a lot of people, and we call it street to street money. So let's say Jim Jeffries is in the prison and he's selling heroin. And Larry wants the heroin. I say, okay, Jim, give me $1,000 worth. I'll send it to the street. I just want you to be my bitch, Larry. No money for me.

I do just a barter transaction. Wow. That's not good either. You don't want to know how I got this heroin to begin with. No. Oh, there's great ways. I mean, you had that wrong, how we get prison drugs in prison besides guards. Obviously, suitcases.

Do you know what suitcasing is, Jim? I do not. No. No. I'm hesitant to ask. It sounds bad. Oh, yes. I've suitcased plenty of things.

Right. I open up a lot of my speeches and I say, can anybody here hide a knife up their ass? The place gets quiet. I say, well, I did. I had to get through three metal detectors. A Swiss Army knife, I assume, right? Not like a Crocodile Dundee style knife. No, it was a good shank, about six inches long.

You could fit it in a toothbrush holder. You put it in the top of a toothbrush holder. You put masking tape. You insert it in your rectum. You put it in the top of a toothbrush holder. You put masking tape. You insert it in your rectum. You go through the metal detector. Of course, it goes off. They pull you out of line. Strip search. You lift your balls. Spread your ass. It's in you. They ain't finding it.

It makes them get the fuck out of you. They don't know if you have a bullet in you or a metal knee or whatever it is. You go to the yard. You squat around your friend. You take it out. You put it in a wooden handle you left on the yard. People say, well, why don't you just bring the knife, you know, and the whole knife to your yard? No, because the guards are good. If we left the knife on the yard, they take metal detectors and they actually run metal detectors over the whole yard when we're locked in. So if you put a piece of wood, if you ever watch any prison movie,

they're always walking on path. So you just put a piece of wood handle right along the path under the grass there. They run metal detectors. It's wood. They're not going to get that. So you squat down like you're tying your shoe. You take the thing out of your ass. And then you put it in your shank and your handle. Now you're ready to go. If I didn't do that that i would have been dead because the guards will shoot down on the yard when you're in the middle of a knife fight and everybody lays down flat on the ground so if you didn't have that you're gonna get stabbed so you have to i've been stabbed twice i stabbed two people and i've been shot so i i understand the the the different various uh items to get killed with. And luckily, I never got killed, of course.

I'm here. And luckily, I didn't kill anyone because I'd have life in prison. Jack was once in a fight where he was pushed over, where a kid got on all fours behind him, and then another kid pushed him, and he went backwards. Tell him the story, Jack. It was that. I trusted them, which

is what hurt the most. Yeah, that wedgie. What about the wedgie? I got to tell you, rather than hiding a knife up your ass, why don't you guys just not get into a knife fight? That seems like a better plan. That sounds really good if you

were dealing with really normal people. But you're not. You're dealing with, you know, as I used to say, we had 2,000 people in Atlanta. I was in USP Atlanta. USP Atlanta at the time was the worst prison in the United States. Now, well, I'll tell you what it is. We won't get there. But what has happened is out of that 2,000 inmates, 880 had life sentences never getting out and in the

federal system there's no parole it is what they call letters that means you die you will get out it says life on your jacket you only way out of there is in a body bag now out of that 880 200 fight their case legally through the law library every day and stuff. 400 and whatever, 80 get a lover. I've been to a wedding in prison. I mean, they'll do the, the punk. So to put the blush on them, tattoo their lips, red tattoo, mascara. They marry each other. It's not like, cause I always see like, so Ted Bundy got married in prison.

He had a woman come and visit him all the time. Do you get a lot of letters from chicks who like jewel thieves? Or what happens there? You know, you'd be surprised at how many people actually, they stopped a lot of the pen pal stuff because of that in certain prisons because they were getting people getting obviously manipulated and stuff of that nature. But the prisons I'm talking about, Wedding, is two guys. Yeah, right, right.

So they'll actually literally live a life. And then there's other 200 who are psychopaths. I say this all the time. I don't want them getting out of prison and living next to you, my mother, or a relative of mine, because they're psychos. They will fucking kill somebody, not give a fuck, kill three people. They're crazy. They're just totally psychopaths. In prison, all they do is look to escape, get dope, and fuck as much as they can or whatever they're going to do. I'd actually love to hear a little bit more about your story and just how you got into these jewelry heists. This is an

off topic. I do this right Okay so with the diamonds You stole diamonds I've been through the problem I've just gotten married So I had to buy my first big diamond I've ever purchased Should have known me

I'd have got your nice freak No my wife didn't want any blood diamonds I assume your ones Have got anal blood all over them This is the thing about diamonds Okay so they last forever they're gonna last for fucking thousands of years they'll never change they'll never get a thing they're the strongest material on earth right yet women always want new ones what the fuck why why why do you have to have a new one which they shouldn't even be going up in value

we should just have the 10 000 we've got now and just they should be moving around people. But it's like, no, I want a new one. Last for fucking ever. That would be great. You know, I went to the GIA Institute, which is General Intelligence Institute. I went under the table as a mobster. I paid 10 grand to go to the school so I wouldn't get fucked with diamonds when I'm dealing with the diamonds

because I dealt with so many diamonds. And diamonds are amazing because they do mine them and there are new ones and all that. We'll get into diamonds. That's a great topic. So why I robbed diamonds, if you remember on in England, actually, they robbed out of Rich Carlton, a guy robbed $136 million in a briefcase. Do you know how much that would weigh? You couldn't carry it. Of course, it's thousands of pounds of money if it was actual cash, but you can lift up a bag, literally a briefcase and have a hundred million dollars in that briefcase and walk out with it. And the value that usually the turn dollar on a

guy like myself and in the business I was in, it's about 30 cents on the dollar. So if I robbed a hundred million dollars in diamonds, I'm getting $30 million for that now. Try to rob $30 million in cash. It's just unrealistic. How did you get into the diamond game? Correct me if I'm wrong, I assume you did petty crimes before then or did you do robberies before that and then you found diamonds or was it straight into diamonds? I did a lot of different things before that. I was a collector.

I used to muscle a card game for the mob. I was growing up with those guys in Brooklyn, New York. And I learned the bookmaking business first. Then I was sent to Florida. And my first robbery of jewelry diamonds was a setup. It was the owner who wanted his rob to get the insurance money on his diamond. And I got the diamonds, he got his insurance money where everybody was happy.

That was my first robbery and I said, wait a minute, this is too good. But no, I robbed warehouses and I used to rob anything that was valuable. I used to rob wedding dresses. People go, what do you mean? I went to rob, I had $75,000 in wedding dresses. they were 300 bucks a

wedding dress rocked the whole fucking store out put it in a ride to rent the truck and drove in fucking florida and new york nice hit robbed a warehouse plumbing supply warehouse i assume you had to get rid of them in jersey right the wedding dresses now in new york like how did you sell the wedding dresses on you just sell them to one supply or you just put an ad on craigslist like got wedding in my business we had connections with everybody we you know it was a one-stop shop you go to one guy boom he's your friend and you tell him what you got i robbed a whole warehouse of ferguson enterprises warehouse the plumbing warehouse jacuzzis gold forces toilets you name the fucking thing.

The guy owed us money and he was the warehouse manager. So we ended up going in on a Sunday when they were closed, wiped the floor, not wiped. They didn't even know they were robbed. The warehouse was so big. The warehouse was the fucking size of a football field. So we took forklifts, put everything in a truck, got to New York. One guy, one contract. I want the whole truck.

I'll give you a hundred grand done. Okay. Goodbye. The guy owed me three grand. What a score. So it's how, how you maneuver. It's all about the fence. And you know, I owned a security guard company and a guy come, one of the guys who works for me comes to me, Larry says, I could get all these Rembrandts. I can get all these Picassos, all these, these big high dollar pictures. He goes, you want them? It was a security there. I said, let me check it out. It was a whole weekend thing in the convention center in Miami. And I says, hold on. I made a

lot of phone calls. I couldn't get two cents on the dollar. So the heat wouldn't have been worth it. If you take a Rembrandt worth a million dollars, I can't get 20 grand for it. What the fuck am I going to rob that thing for? It's all about, I hate to say how you teach kids. I don't, I teach them that it's not worth it, but you got to have an out before you rob anything.

Don't rob something just to be a fucking kleptomaniac, you know, rob something. Cause you're going to get value for it. I mean, whatever you do now, I'm not giving tips. Yeah, I got to be honest, Larry. You sound like you miss it a bit, mate. How did you how did you get caught?

I love this one. Everybody talks about how they're fucking idiot. The FBI is the smartest motherfuckers in the world. I was never worried about local police, state police're fucking idiot the fbi is the smartest motherfuckers in the world i was never worried about local police state police fucking city and towns they don't have the money you know if the fbi wants to bring a witness they'll send them on a fucking f-16 from fucking florida to california they don't give a fuck the feds have all the money and when that agent that wants you dies that somebody still is fucking place and that's somebody to fill his fucking place. And that's it. The guy

who caught me was a guy named Matt Mullen from a major case squad, Quantico, Virginia. And he was the best there. He retired. He said, I'm retiring because I was looking for you for six years. I knew your MO, but I didn't know who you were. I got caught by the FBI. Actually, I did not know this at the time. When I did a robbery, the FBI would flood an area with 20 agents. They confiscated every camera from a mile or two from that store. So they actually had me in Savannah, Georgia, going to buy a cup of coffee at a Wawa store. And they placed me in the area at that time because they had all the videos from all the stores around the area. The feds can do a lot of things the state can't do, and they can put it together better.

So anybody says, ah, I'll beat the feds, that's the best guy, you're an idiot. Well, I bet he's saying that either after getting out of prison or he's still in fucking prison because they're not stupid. That's the thing is I watched like that Ted Bundy documentary, and it just seemed to me the way he got away with it is just by driving to another town. Seemed to be like, oh, we can't crack this case. He went to a different town and they don't have the same records as this town.

And so as soon as they crossed borders, I assume now with the internet, that's not the case that they're all linked up. But like the FBI was always linked up, obviously. No, Jim, you're wrong. Even today, you know, if you do, if I did a robbery right here in Palm Bay, Florida, depending on the size of it, of course, I mean, obviously, you know,

well, this area I live in, I still have the highest, the biggest robbery ever that was in this area. But the, no, you could rob something in Florida and California is not going to know about it. I mean, unless it's an international crime or it's some big enough crime, you rob a fucking seven 11 in fucking in Miami. You're not, California is not going to know about that.

Unless you left fingerprints and they all put it in the national database or something of that nature, but they're not going to link up a motive or a pattern that's going on. They don't have that resources to go give it to every other. Do you think some fucking whole dunk fucking town in Kentucky gives a fuck about Larry Lawton that robbed something and fuck a wedding dresses and fucking. But what about,

what about a murder though? A murder? Well, murders again, depending on what evidence and stuff they have now, national databases. But again, linking a murder, there's so many murders. I live in a little Brevard County, Florida here in central Florida.

And I think we have already 10 murders in this little county. So, I mean, there's murders that they'll go and solve and stuff. Just nobody knows. And unless they leave fingerprints or dna evidence and stuff that gets into a database even that they prove with rapes it's such a shit they have like 10 year backlog on rape uh dna for somebody so that's i don't think it's i just think it's a lack of manpower and i think it it's a lack of them trying to figure out what they want to do. You've got to remember, some guy who works in some town,

he's working here 20 years, makes the text of it for 70 years. He's got three fucking years or five years to retirement, whatever the hell it is. How much is he giving a fuck about this thing? His next one comes, he goes. Of course, high profile, a whole different animal. With the fingerprints, obviously your fingerprints are in every database across the fucking world larry we can all assume this right in australia yeah there'd be fingerprints on diamonds that

will last forever but uh every time you're in a bank or something like that you touch like a pen or something like that or the counter and then like you must leave going i hope there's not a robbery in there they'll fucking blame me you know that is a funny question because you know there was a big robbery a jewelry robbery and i don't know how many people who know me said hey larry you did the sbi are they looking at you you did it or whatever i can guarantee they they do know where the the major players who did something like that are, and they would look for something like that. And you're right. My DNA and everything is in the federal system and all the systems there are.

Have you ever got yourself a 2020 about you or any TV documentary about your crimes? I watch a lot of those. I just did many of them. Vice TV did one. Huckabee shows, a zillion of them. You can just Google my name and you'll see a bunch of them. Vice TV did one. Huckabee shows. You can just Google my name and you'll see a bunch of them. Who was the jewel thieves in Florida that they got away on water bikes, water scooters? That was one I watched.

I don't know those. I knew the guys that had the biggest one down here. They had a guy named Murph the Surf. He just passed away. He died to start India. He robbed. But I used to fuck with him. I know, I knew him when he was an old guy. And I said, listen, you robbed that, but that was only 5 million. I robbed 18 million. You got to get up the, up the game a little bit. You don't have to tell on anybody,

but have you got any mates who have just gotten away with it forever? They've never gotten caught. Oh, absolutely. Matter of fact that, you know you know, in my case, I'm the only one who went away. I just forgot. I don't know who the name, some guy named John Rodriguez was my partner. I have no idea who he is, where he is. I don't know how many John Rodriguez are in Miami, but anyway, who knows where he is? Nobody got arrested on my case. I went away on what they call a RICO alone. And RICO, you're supposed to have more co-defendants than everything else.

But I went away on a RICO act because I had what they call unindicted co-defendants. Now, what happens also is I knew guys in the 80s when I was good. Now, I'm 60 years old now. And back in the 80s and late 80s, mid 80s and into the 90s, you know, Miami was the biggest drug dealer. I had a great friend of mine who was a big, big drug dealer. He got out and now he owns, I don't know, a ton of auto parts stores and stuff. Legit, doesn't touch anything, doesn't go near anything. Took his money, he got out, he's smart. You know, the FBI asked me, they said, man, Larry, you're the best we ever see do it.

You had power, you had me, they said, man, Larry, you're the best we ever see do it. You had power. You had homes, boats, horses. You know, you had your own limousine driver. Why didn't you get the fuck out? I said, you know, it wasn't the money. It was winning. And it was the power that brought that. You know, it's a different mindset, I think.

Of course. What are the women like? Are there women who go after the organized crime people in the movies they always seem to have nice looking birds well you know it was funny because we had so much coke we had every broad in the world that'll get them women like the coke

you know you want to open up legs just put a little bit of white somewhere and you're alright but the in my limousine I had a glass mirror with two bevels on it and the gold straw. And you just take the, you know, an ounce of Coke, go it across. You have two perfect lines.

Boom, boom. Bring it back. Two perfect lines. I mean, it was just, you can get anything you want. I mean, obviously, it's one of those. I don't, listen, I did a lot of drugs. I did every drug in the book. I was never an addict. And people say, what do you mean? I said, I never, I quit. I could stop. I do that drill today to people. I tell you guys, no matter what your vice

is, you got to quit it for three weeks. I do this test with myself at 60 years old. I might stop drinking for three weeks and people, people just, I don't tell people I'm doing anything. I go out with my buddies and stuff and I'll order a ginger ale and nobody says any, but I do it for myself just to show myself I still can control it and not let it control me. No matter what that is, it could be gambling, it could be drugs, it could be women, it could be anything. You control it. Don't let it control you. And you'll be a lot better off. You live a better life. So how does bail work?

How does bail work? Yeah, let's ask that question. Well, yeah. First of all, Jim, you do get bail back unless you go to a bail bondsman. A bail bondsman, you have to give 10% of that bail. So if you have, let's just say, a $100,000 bail, you could put up 10 grand. He puts up the whole bond with the state. Now, if you jump bail, that man is responsible for that extra 90 for the whole a hundred thousand. And if not, if you show up, he keeps the 10. Now, if you want to put up bail yourself,

you get every cent of that back. You actually could put up property. Sometimes they'll call bail and they'll say property or cash bail. That means you have to put up cash. I believe everybody in this world, I think every drug dealer, every big drug dealer should have a bail. Give them a bail of 20 million cash. Let them fucking jump. So what? He fucking goes back to Columbia.

You don't see the motherfucker again and the government just got 20 million doesn't have to pay another 30 000 a year to house this guy for the next life for the rest of his life and you make money and if you catch him again give him another third 30 million dollar bond right you know then he's gonna fucking pay his bail and he's gonna go out and it's another 30 minutes. How does the government make 50 million real quick? Let one guy out. That's a serious thing. A lot of states now, like New York, has wiped out bail because it was so against poor people

because it was just supporting people who have money. They were giving people bail. I was in a county jail. I told one guy, bail you out if you shut your fucking mouth, you're a fucking bother. I told one guy, I'll bail you out if you shut your fucking mouth, you fucking father. His bail was $175. He couldn't put up $25.

I said, shut your fucking mouth. When I get out of here, I'll have my guy put up $175. So he shut his mouth. Every time he opened his mouth, he said, shut up. If you open your fucking mouth, you ain't getting out. It's crazy because just that little amount of money kept that person in a county jail.

Yeah, but also that amount of money, like obviously if they're out and they haven't got $25, how are they going to make money without crime? So, you know, it feels like at least they're getting three meals or is that very insensitive of me to say that? Well, that's not even the truth. I think it made this more for a homeless person Or is that very insensitive of me to say that? Well, that's not even the truth. I think it made it more for a homeless person who does want shelter for that time.

And they know the system so well. But there are other places. But there's nobody who gets out of prison and says, you know what? I think I'm going back. You know, you'll hear people say, man, I'll kill a cop before I go back. And as sad as it is, but you'll hear them say that. So, no, that's not true. Oh, you know, they want to go back.

Nobody wants to go back. What happens is people have a memory. We're blessed as human beings. We are blessed to have the ability to put things that were bad to us in the past. Take me. I was abused as a kid. I was able to put that aside to live a productive life and not judge certain things and whatever it is.

What happens with people who commit crimes is they'll commit a crime, they'll go to jail, they'll hate the fucking jail. Who likes to be told what to do, when to do, watch your ass, watch people get killed. The food, everything's bad. I've been married for a year. I'm sure it gets worse, right?

Then you get killed. The food, everything's bad. I've been married for a year. I'm sure it gets worse, right? Oh, then you get married, you know, but there's no way in that whole system that we shouldn't help people try to stay out of prison. Cause if we, if we don't keep trying to stay out of prison, they're going to go back and they're going to only go back. I own horses, Jim. And it's funny because I have these two horses, beautiful horses. One used to try to knock me off. They had to put a tie down on it. And so cowboy comes up to me and says, Hey Larry, do you want the horse to stop that? I said, sure.

Gets on the horse. He takes a beer bottle. He fills it with warm water, gets on the horse. The horse does this. Bam. Fucking slams. If you ever know the top of a horse's head is does this. Bam! He fucking slams it. If you ever know the top of a horse's head is like a fucking brick.

You're not hurting it. But the water, the warm water went over the horse. He thought it was his own blood. His hooves went out. He never lifted his fucking head again because he will never forget that. We're lucky as human beings to put some of the shit that's happened to us into

a place that we can forget about. The problem is that shit that happens in prison, these people put behind them again and they forget about it until they're arrested because they did something fucking stupid. When you got someone leaving the prison, let's call him Jimmy the Knife, and he's fucking leaving, and you know Jimmy's coming back, do you and the other prisoners have a little bit of a gamble on how long it will take for him to come back?

Great story. I had a celly. It was a serial bank robber. And he comes up to me one day. He goes, Larry, I'll pay you. I go, what the fuck are you talking about? I owe you $100. I'm going to pay you.

I swear. What the fuck are you talking about? He goes, I just want an appeal. They told me to go to R&D, which is receiving a discharge. I'm going to pay you. I swear. What the fuck do you think? He goes, I just want an appeal. They told me to go to R&D, which is receiving a discharge. I'm getting out. He's fucking crazy. He starts packing fucking laundry detergent.

I go, what the fuck are you doing? Get your legal work. Get the fuck out of here. He goes, no. He goes, maybe my mother doesn't have laundry detergent. I said, this guy's fucking nuts. So he leaves. We all got around. We said, I'll bet he's back in six months. In about

four months, the fucker was back. Four months. That means he went through the system, got convicted, actually violated his parole and all that kind of stuff. He comes walking into prison with a big smile on his face. What a fucker. That's the fake of a lifetime.

And he fucking does it. But it's a shame because some people have zero education. And that's a big downfall, too. But, you know, all they know is the street hustle. And whatever that hustle is, is most likely illegal. I've told this story in many different. No, no, no stories. We got to get to the questions.

No, no, it's a prison one. It's a prison thing. We have a lot of questions you got wrong to get to. Enough stories. Enough stories already. He's remote, but he's still doing his job. Jesus. COVID makes you grumpy, eh?

He's right. You do good in prison. Yeah, exactly. I'm in charge here. You got to kill time, man. COVID makes you grumpy you do good in prison yeah exactly I'm a charger you gotta kill time how does bail work Jim said bail is an amount of money assigned we just did bail

that's not what I meant you know what what happens during booking Jim says you give him your watch all your stuff the orange jumpsuit, and then you get it all back when class is over. Well, not class, but he was pretty right on that one. All it is is process.

Booking is where they take your picture, they do their thing, and you're in a county jail when you're booked, or in the feds, it could be in a federal detention center, it doesn't matter. But he is correct. You get in there, you give your property. In fact, the FBI when they arrested me and they had the helicopters over the house the whole work the FBI was pretty good

the guy goes and I knew the drill already so I had great sneakers and I had about three grand in my pocket you know watch go well you know nice beautiful I just gave it all to my wife at that time and they didn't care and then I went and got processed I went booked I all to my wife at that time, and they didn't care. And then I went and got processed. I went booked. I had to put my property in, do this. Pretty much, depending on what jail you're in, you don't get an orange jumpsuit in the fed you do. You actually get an orange jumpsuit, and he was right on at that.

But in some places, they even have still street clothes. I mean, if it's a county jail in Miami. So you want to fill your pockets with as much shit as possible? No, opposite. As least as you can. Because what you put in there, first of all, if you go as long as I did, it's going to be outdated when you get out.

Number one. Or number two is sometimes it comes up missing. I mean, if you walked in there with 3,000 cash, I'm sure it's going to say, oh, you only put 1,000 cash in there. I mean, it's just human nature there. You want as least as you can going

in, not as much. So why are inmates generally transferred, Jim said, for overcrowding, safety, causing too many fights, petition to move so they can be closer to their family? He was close. Yes, on most of them, not for petitioning. You don't petition. Say, you know, I'd like to go to that prison right there. It's a nice prison. That doesn't work. You don't have a fucking choice. In fact, when I got transferred, I was telling I was on Conair 16 times. I kept getting transferred farther away from the from my home. And even in the federal system, it says they're supposed to keep you within 500 miles. And I was a thousand miles. I was living in Florida at the time, and I got transferred all

the way to Yazoo, Mississippi, and then Forest City, Arkansas. So they wanted me. And that's because I was a troublemaker. So Jim is right about that. If you're a troublemaker or you're a fighter, I got into a lot of altercations and stuff of that. I assaulted a staff member and stuff of that nature. You're going to get transferred right away. So he is right about that. You could be a headache or unruly pet or even protective custody people.

If you go to a prison and you're what they call check-in, that means you go to prison and you're scared of the prison. Somebody is going to kill you. And you go, oh, I don't want to be in this prison area. They'll stick you in a hole for a year and then transfer you. So that's what they'll do. So he was close. When you said you spent, you had four 12-year sentences, does that mean you served 48? You're too young for that? Or they were all at once? There's two ways they do it. They call it running wild or concurrently.

Concurrently, they do 12. You know, a lot of people ask that same question, Jim. And they go, why do you give a guy three life sentences? You can't fucking die three times. Here's why. If I beat one of my cases in one court, I still got to do my time because I got 12 more. I got 12 years, four times in four different federal districts. If you got three life sentences and you beat one on an appeal,

something happened, they fucked up the evidence. You're still going to do life because you still got two more life sentences. So a lot of people don't understand how, and if they say it's running wild, I, the only reason I'm out of prison, I was facing life and I beat a gun charge. If I don't beat the gun charge, I never get out of prison because they have to run wild or consecutive. And in the federal system, the first robbery you commit with a gun, it's five years on top of whatever you get. Every robbery after that, you get 20 years running wild. So I would have got 40 years just for the gun. Just for the gun. Not 40, I would have got 20, 20, 20, and five. I would have got 65 years just for the gun and another 10, I would

have got 85. So I assume uh jim was correct about con air he said when they're shipping federal prisoners it's a prison plane with terrible food no tv shitty wi-fi well great no wi-fi uh food no food uh they give you an apple a bag it was so funny i was doing a video on that. They shackle you. And every time I was on Con Air, they give you crackers that are fucking outdated. So I get stores that can't sell fucking peanut butter crackers. Right. Every time they were outdated.

So they must donate them to the fucking federal government. And they give them to inmates because no food is fucking up to date. And it's funny because I used to tell kids, you know, I was in the system for a while. So young kids would come in and they process you to go on air at one in the morning. They start processing you before the federal marshals come and get you and bring you on a bus to a plane. They surround the plane with fucking agents and shotguns. And you're sitting

there and i used to tell the kid i said hey kid don't eat that they go what do you mean man oh gee you don't want to eat that it's some bullshit fucking piece of bologna on fucking bread i mean garbage fucking you talk yellow green bologna that's all true so i said don't eat that kid and he's oh man oh gee man you don't want, you don't want to eat that. I want to eat that. Okay. I've watched the fucking kid. You might be on con air for 13 hours. You can't stand. You can't move. You're in fucking shackles and fucking leg irons. And

now you're on that plane for 13 hours and you got to shit. Guess what? They don't let you take those shackles and shit off. You fucking, you can pee. You can fucking hey, I gotta pee. You'll stand still, you know, hey, I gotta pee. You'll stand and pee and just fucking pee all over the fucking place because you're fucking shackled

and fucking, you know. I've been on Southwest. Oh, yeah. That's a cattle car. I said, everybody might as well go on Con Air. You're going to go fucking Southwest. Where's the most dangerous prison in the country? Jim said San Quentin. No.

If you even looked it up, Google, it's going to be ADX Colorado. ADX is the most secure and worst prison in the country. Is that because of the altitude? Is that because of the altitude? It takes a while to get accustomed to being there. You don't get outside. I don't know what fucking house. You're fucking under a mountain.

It's in a mountain actually. The penis is going further into your ass at that altitude. Like home runs. And what they do is they hire the guys with the biggest cock. So now you're really fucked. What is helicopter wire? Jim said it's something you choke somebody with. I don't think he was right on that.

That's the sound you make when you get choked. Yeah. In prisons, in maximum security prisons, they actually put helicopter wire over the yard so a person can't land a helicopter to try to escape. So they have wire. Matter of fact, I was just talking about that. I used to sit on the east Yard in Atlanta. I know I

can get out of here and add helicopter wire. But I used to say if a guy hovered over there, drop the wire and I was there at six in the morning during when the yard open, I could jump on that wire. The guy can take me up if they shoot you out of the tower. I don't know if they even would do that.

They don't know if the helicopter has been hijacked. And I assume that's because those prisons have lots of money in them. It's the mob bosses and people who could afford a helicopter to come pick them up. You got drug kingpins. You got an El Chapo. You got a Nicorina, a Nicky Scarfo, all the guys. Did you ever see an escape or did you escape at any stage yourself? No, I never escaped.

Yes, I did. As a matter of fact, woody harrelson's father charles harrelson killed the federal judge too he was in federal prison in atlanta he was escaping when they caught him on the wall now you got to remember atlanta had 40 foot walls 40 foot walls 20 feet underground three foot thick thick. In fact, in 1903, it was the most poured concrete ever in the United States at that time. It's around the whole fucking complex

with gunpowder and all works. He tried to escape there. I also watched another guy try to escape by a group that came in and he got all the clothes right and he planned this out and he tried to walk out with the fucking crew and he got caught right at the last minute.

But there have been people, now, if you're talking about small, like, if you're in a camp, a federal prison camp, you can walk away from that camp. Literally walk away. There's not enough guards. There's no fence. You can literally walk, but they threaten them

like those guys, you know, like I said, bankersers or people like that if you fucking try to escape from a a camp you will get an escape charge and then you will go to a prison like i was in and those guys do not want to go to a prison like that because it wouldn't be pretty now do you when you said you work with children do you do that like scared straight stuff where you take kids into the prison and people come and go i'm to be your bitch and all that type of stuff? I always feel when I watch those shows, the prisoners are having fun. It breaks up their day. They've had a long week.

They've just been in the hole. They've been eating their fucking sail crackers. Their acting reel is incredible. And they're like, am I what I get to yell at a 13-year-old who smoked pot? That'll be a good day. It's a great question. And no, first of all,

it's been proven many times. Scared straight doesn't work. If I yelled at you, you have two reactions, either fight or flight. If you don't think you can beat me, you're looking to get out of the situation. So they don't see you.

They don't even hear you. They're just, they put up a block. It's proven many years since the 70s. If I told you the story that I was in Atlanta when this kid got his ass cut from the top of his anus until his scrotum with a razor blade and two guys raped him and they found seminal fluid.

I get kids that come up to me years later and say, Mr. Lawton, I'll never forget that story about the kid who- Stop, stop, stop, stop. One second again. Just cut out. I pay this money for audio people. What did you say?

There we go. There we go. No, just cut out. For some reason, the sound cut out again. There was a boy whose ass was cut with a razor blade. Someone came up to you and said, I never forgot that story because it helps me masturbate. Go from that point there you you would make it in prison jim i just think what your comedy would make it because everybody

needs to fucking laugh i think it's because of my fucking horrendous hemorrhoids that people would go to rape me and they go no thank you and then and then like i get somebody in my like that i know i know i mean my feelings would be hurt i'd be like why tell me my asshole's pretty scared state doesn't work i don't believe in it a lot of people don't believe in it there's this i think if you tell certain stories they have a lot more impact than you stupid ass motherfucker what are you get the fuck out of here who's the fucking jerk off is no is this real the old uh that they used to put like a bit of pvc piping up your ass and they put the barbed wire up your ass and they pull the pvc piping out so your asshole clenches around the barbed wire

is that true or is that just a fun story well i think that's a really good story but i want to hear the whole story like how does he eventually get it out? Then they rip the barbed wire out. It's like really fun anal beads. Wow, that's really fun anal beads, you know? Nobody minds a butt plug, but that's a little bit different. There's a lot of ass work going on in prison. That's what I've picked up. We got a couple more.

What's a stand-up guy? Jim said guy who's in the mafia or repped by the mafia and alternatively, what's a rat in comparison? We all know what a rat is. A rat's a person who talks. Very good question. A stand-up guy does not have to be in the mafia. He does not have to be in the mafia.

He does not have to. He has to be a guy who's a... See, there's two kinds of people. There's an inmate and a convict. Convicts are people who are uh the words stand up they're gonna fight the system they're gonna not gonna rat they're not gonna do something with the guard that's they're gonna try to manipulate the guard they're not gonna try to fucking tell on anybody or anything a rat is it first of all the two lowest people in prison are rats and chomo chomo is a child molester. So when they get fucking found out,

I used to pull their paperwork. I mean, I watched one guy get a fucking buffer machine dropped on his fucking head from the top tier. And if you haven't seen those big industrial buffer machines, the flaws fucking dropped from the tier and his whole fucking head went down. So that's not a good thing. Chomos and rats are not good stand-up

guys does not have to be in the arm yes he could be any he could be a bank robbery could be a a jewel robbery could be anything that's a stand-up guy now the crimes they commit also are very important crimes against kids are not not great at all in prison because most of us in prison have kids yeah i had you know we you know, we have kids. And we think about that, this fucking jerk off one after this fucking 12-year-old. And there's certain fucking crimes that are even against the elderly. They're not a respect. I imagine also, you said yourself, I imagine a lot of the prisoners have had crimes committed against them when they were children. So that would probably add to the anger.

Absolutely. And you'd be surprised how we'd sit there and watch and say, I hope this motherfucker comes to the anger. Absolutely. And you'd be surprised how we'd sit there and watch and say, I hope this motherfucker comes to our prison. Because if he did, he wouldn't be treated well. Just take a look at Whitey Bulger.

Everybody knows who he is, the mob guy from fucking Boston. Found him in Santa Monica. Well, yeah, exactly. And that man went to prison. He went to Hazleton. He was in Hazleton one day and they fucking killed him and got his eye out with a fucking shank.

They were trying to cut his fucking tongue out. They killed him right there within, I think it was three hours of he hit the yard. So he didn't make it. And that was the federal prison, the USP. See, there's a difference. A lot of people say, oh, I'd rather be in the feds than the state. They never been in them. They never been in both.

You're talking a maximum security prison. Jim was right on this. The feds are worse when it comes to maximum security prison. Of course, there's more money and more dangerous people, and most people have serious time. I had four 12-year sentence, and I would shut my fucking mouth because that's like nothing there. It's like, fuck.

Oh, man. He only got fucking 12? Fuck him. You think your life's over. I went to prison at 34 years old. I got out at 46 years old. Right. And you think, oh, you know, you do lose the best years of your life, your kids, your everything.

You know, that's why I do what I do. I had a 13, 15 month old daughter. I got out. She was 13. My son was six. I got out and he was 18. I'm very close to them. My son works for me.

But my daughter, I wish she would, you know. But they're learning. And so people have kids. People care about kids and elderly. People have a mother home or something like that. But if you're a stand-up guy, you're a bank robber, a drug dealer, or a murderer. But I know it sounds crazy.

I always say, oh, he was a nice guy. He killed a guy with an ax. Were there ever guards that you liked or were they always the enemy? No matter of fact, I, on my YouTube channel, Jim, I interview a guard who actually I make prison pasta and his daughter sees it and says, dad, there's a guy to make that pasta you made. The guard sees the video and goes, that's the guy who taught me how to make it. That's Larry Lawton.

He was my guard. Since then, not only are we friends, he comes on my YouTube. He ended up going to prison for a year for smuggling. He smuggled cigarettes. Now, he was the head of a union. I learned. I got good videos of him and I. His name was Gary Massey.

Nice guy. And to this day, there were good guards, Jim. There were guards that we would protect. There was a guard in Atlanta. Here's the story. The Cubans took over Atlanta for seven days, 10 days, seven or 10 days. They literally took over the whole fucking prison. And they raped this one guard

and his wife right in front of each other they raised them both they hated them but there was this one guy i worked for a guy named perry they actually protected him because that dude was good to them and he used to give a class for the new guards and say listen you treat these people like they like like your father a person of family, we respect. He goes, because they'll never forget. This one guard fucks with you. He forgot about it. You think that prisoner is ever going to forget? And when the time changes, that fucker's the target.

So he used to actually give a class to guards on how to treat people in prison. I have to ask quickly, prison pastor, I assume it's the same as normal pastor, but the sauce is made with anal blood? It's made in the toilet. Another wrong one. Believe it or not, it's fucking pasta. I just did a prison cooking video today

and I'm fucking, I'm stuffed because I'm 250 pounds. I like to eat. But it was made with different things, cut up garlic, stuff we steal out of the kitchen pasta oil garlic and with a stinger you take two drain covers and you put a little piece of wood between them and i could boil water quicker with that than i can with a stove into a bucket and you'd make you know you'd make your own product i actually did that video

literally like i did it in prison and the guard himself daughter says daddy that's not prison that's what you did he goes i don't think he made it with a fucking stinger but he called it prison it's called a stinger it's the thing that you boil water with since we were talking about the guard uh that got arrested for smuggling i know we touched on the drugs but is that how the majority of drugs are getting into the prisons is smuggling through guards or how is it getting in there? What are the quality of the drugs more as well? Actually, Jim, the quality of drugs is very good. But now drugs come in two different ways.

Obviously, they come in through guards and big numbers and stuff. But I'll tell you a quick way in prison, like you go to a vending machine. Let's say you visited me, Kelly, and you knew that the vending machine had M&M. You would actually go to a store, buy a bag of M&M's, open it really carefully, put balls of heroin in like condoms, really small. Feel it with glue and everything because they'll check you when you come in. It's glue. They know you can feel it do anything. You'd go to the vending machine.

I come out to visit you. I can't do it do anything you'd go to the vending machine i come out to visit you i can't i can't do it we can hug one we sit you give me a bag of chips i'm drinking water i'm literally drinking the uh the balls and it would go through my system and i'd get back to the unit and shit it out and i'd be the king of the prison now i never did that but anyway that's how it's done a lot of time or a girl would meet you and literally have a kotex and the kotex would be full of heroin you know in cellophane in the kotex and she'd hug you and slip her hand down your butt and stick it up your ass because they had to do that because when a prisoner goes for a visit they get strip search going out to the visit and then they get

strip search coming back. Now, if it's up your ass, they ain't going to find it, obviously. How do they not see somebody hugging and somebody else shoving something up their ass? No, you could, listen, you knew where the cameras were. You know what I gave you a hug when I came in today, Kelly. Yeah, but. Check yourself when you get hugged. But I think a lot of people saw that.

I filmed it. Also, if they... Think about this. If you stood up, Kelly, and you hugged Jim right now, away from the camera, you could literally stick your hand right down his pants and nobody would fucking know what they did. All right, let's try it, Jim.

Let's try it. One, two, three. Also, they strip search you on the way in. They strip search you on the way out. There must be visitors where you're like, oh, it's me uncle Dave. I can't be fucking asked for this. I have to show my balls for Dave again?

Yeah, God. If it's me kids, I'll do it. But how you been, Dave? All right. Yeah, Dave, do it quickly. But no, actually, the guards that do that are so used to it. I mean, obviously, they get complacent and you're in and out and stuff. A lot of stuff is passed through a visiting room, but they try to get it.

And again, there's not enough eyes for that many inmates. It's very creative. We'll block for each other. Like we, we knew where the guard station was, where a camera was. You'd block while another guy gets a fucking behind the vending machine and gets a quick piece of ass you know by his girlfriend or whatever it is I know guys who got his wife pregnant by doing that I guess at the end of the day being a guard is just a job

and everybody tries to half-ass their job so what not only that Kelly they don't get paid worth of shit and are they going to put their lives on the line for this shit you know some of them actually are pretty good, like Jim said, and they actually feel bad for you. They'll start out by just trying to help you out

and doing something nice before you know it. They're fucking bringing in something they don't even know. We had a guard bringing stuff in. He thought he was bringing in only weed, but inside the pack, weed was heroin. Heroin is very rampant in Britain. So he would do that. Now, are there any movies, in your opinion, that show an accurate portrayal

of what you experienced? Well, you know, you laughed. I laughed. Shawshank Redemption shows the fucking mundane order of things and how they fucking can step on you at all times. Lockup. I was going to be a consultant on lockup,

but I wanted to show how the guards are corrupt too. And they wouldn't let me do that. So they didn't want me to do it because the guards are just as corrupt as they are. I'm talking beatings. I was beaten once a month for 11 straight months because I was exposing the death that the prison killed three of my friends.

There's an article online you could find. It's called, I compared a United States prison to Abu Ghraib, the old prison in Iraq where they did the torture. When that was going on, I said, we have it going on right now in today's world. And we did. They killed like three of my friends. I wrote an article.

I started fighting the prison system. When a friend of mine died in front of me, they said, oh oh you saw him hit his head and i told go fuck yourself you motherfuckers killed that guy he came from the medical with fucking chest pains and they said get out of here you got gas drops dead right in front of me and everybody knows you see a person drop dead the first thing they do is you know they shit and piss themselves or whatever it is and he was dead right in front of us and they did they didn't give a fuck they were laughing it was a disgusting display of people trying to treat people like a human being.

And the guy wasn't a baby. He was an Indian. He only had 10 years. It wasn't like he fucked him. He wasn't a murderer. He was a drug dealer and stuff. And they didn't give a fuck. They just don't give a fuck.

Well, on a lighter note, we are now to the portion of our show called Dinner Party Facts. And I know we already went over the ass knife. Do you have any other interesting or obscure facts that people can use at a dinner party or a bar to impress people about prison? Yeah, I do. Well, you know,

you said it so well, here's the one. Everybody thinks you're going to get fucked in the shower. Yeah. And when you tell them that's not where it happens, they go, what do you mean? Another one, they always say, oh, you know, you're going to drop the soap in prison. No, I wouldn't also bend my ass in front of a fucking five guys in the shower either. That's not a healthy thing to do as well. But it's not where it happens. It happens in the cells. And it happens pretty much every day. Not just rape. Some are raped, some aren't. And

people think it's always going to be in the shower, it's going to be the big guy. And it's not. I never feared the biggest guy in Britain. I feared the littlest guy who was the craziest guy, because I watched them stab people and do some crazy shit. We had a guy who actually tied he fucking, he's a friend of ours, he goes crazy, he takes these two big, we call them swords, he had big shanks and he fucking tapes them

with masking tape to his hands and he's going down the stairs trying to stab everybody. Now the guards are coming running and they're telling us lockdown and we're on the tier waiting. They're surrounding them. They're screaming, drop the knife. We're looking at what you fucking idiot. This guy's got a taste to his fucking hand.

How are you going to fucking drop the knife? They end up fucking getting them down and then they didn't. But he went crazy. You see a lot of that. Here's the biggest problem. You want to press someone is there's more mental health people in prison than people even have an idea of. And that's the biggest problem you want to press them on is there's more mental health people in prison than people even have an idea of.

And that's the problem, more than anything. Well, that is a fun dinner party. Larry, thank you so much for joining us. I'm fascinated by prisons. I could talk about this all day. His book, Gangster Redemption, is available through his website,

realitycheckprogram.com and his podcast, The Real Deal with Larry Lawton is available on all major platforms and go check out his YouTube as well. Thank you, Larry, for joining us. That was really fun. Thank you, Larry.

Appreciate it. If you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and goes, I don't reckon I can shove this knife up my ass. Go, well, I don't know about that. And walk away.