I Don't Know About That - Professional Wrestling with JONAH

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

In this episode, the team discusses professional wrestling with former WWE superstar and current wrestler for New Japan Pro-Wrestling and Impact Wrestling, JONAH. Follow JONAH on Instagram and Twitter @JonahIsHere . Our merch store is now live! Go to idontknowaboutthat.com for shirts, hoodies, mugs, and more! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The music of Chumbawamba, the music of the Beatles, who made the bigger social impact? You might find out, and I don't know about that, with Jim Jeffery. Close call. I don't think anybody knows. You can't. There's nobody to find out. It's a hard way. You'd have to ask everybody in the world what meant more to them.

Yeah. Yeah, because if you get knocked down and you get back up again, pretty good message. Yeah. It's better than losing the sky with diamonds, which is very clearly gibberish. We got merches up and running, right? Merches up. I don't know about that.com. We got cut is up and running, right? Merch is up.

I don't know about that.com. We got cut mugs. I've been selling cut mugs now for close to 15 years. It started with my manager, Brett Vincent in Britain. Hello, Brett, if you're listening. And he and me, me and him used to sell these cut mugs afterwards. They didn't say, I don't know about that on the other side. Yeah, they used to just send me webpages and things. They didn't say, I don't know about that on the other side. Yeah, they used to just say me webpage and thing.

Now it's like, I don't know about that. Now the handle says cunt, it's all. These are very nice. The ones that I sold were very basic ones. I used to autograph the base of them. And I think it would have lasted one wash. Yeah, probably. I originally wanted to do mugs where at the bottom it was a middle finger

so when you lifted it. I don't like the ones where they put something in the bottom. No, I meant at the bottom underneath. Nobody drinks like that. I do. You would for effect. At the end to finish it.

Can I have a few of these to take home? I want more hats as well. My wife stole my hat. I took a hat back and she liked it so much that she's wearing the hat. The hats are very good. I do like the hats. I need more hats. Do I have to buy them? What's the URL where he can buy

some more? He can get them at idontknowaboutthat.com Alright. I'll put in a request. Yeah, I think we can get you one. And then our patron. We just did a patron episode. We recorded one before the podcast. It was a cracking one with Michael Yeo. Very, very funny.

With Michael Yeo. Make sure to watch his special. We did a lot of slap talk about Will Smith, and we did a lot of the talk. We told a good story about when Michael Yeo got me in trouble with Justin Bieber. And his special is called I Never Thought and it's Michael Yeo. You can go on YouTube and watch it. It's like we said

on Patreon, 28 minutes. Watch our good friend Michael Yeo's special. Aunt Viv from the original Aunt Viv wants to slap Michael Yeo. She does, but find out why. Find out why. Yeah, patreon.com slash idkat. Or you can Google it.

She said it in an article. What the fuck, Jim? We can hear Michael's reaction. You won't read that in an article. It's his face. Well, anyway, still subscribe to the Patreon. And then we have $1.25 worth of. I know this was a good episode.

It's $1.60, man. We were sexy. If anything, I want to bump up the rates, man. But, you know, I'm not that guy. I'm looking at the shop now. Everything's on there. The mugs, the hoodies, the t-shirts, the Bikaki shirt. Good night, Australia.

The hats are on there somewhere. There's a picture of Jim in a mug. A tote bag. Yeah. I don't see the hats in there. We got to get them. Uh-oh. Well, maybe they're just ours.

Is that possible? No, I think. We'll get those hats up there. Yeah. They make a good Christmas in July present. Who does that Christmas in July? Is that a thing? People like to have fun.

Yeah, but in Australia, it's just in summer, don't get me started. And then on Instagram. If you mention breakfast food, I'll be here all day. On Instagram, IDCat Podcast, follow us. It's growing, that Instagram, but it should be bigger based on listeners. And follow all of us on there. And Jim, where are you going to be? Where were you just?

I was just in Grand Rapids. I was in Green Bay. Are you having a stroke right now? I was in Green Bay. I think we all know because we're recording this podcast first and we're releasing it later. I think we all know what happened there with the nuclear fallout. Oh, yeah.

Oh, wow. That was crazy. Who would have thought Russia would have targeted Green Bay? Cheeseheads. I tell you what, I was reading that the other day. It's like my wife had Googled, if Russia attacks with nuclear weapons, I go to Green Bay. Cheeseheads. I tell you what, I was reading that the other day. It's like my wife had Googled, if Russia attacks with nuclear weapons,

what city would they hit first? It's like New York, LA is like the two top ones. Yeah. Shut down the entertainment industry. You've got to live your life. Well, you will be in Edmonton and Calgary, April 21st, 27th. Edmonton and Calgary. We've got an extra show on the Thursday in Edmonton. On Thursday is Edmonton.

An extra show in Calgary on a Sunday. The Friday and the Saturday shows are sold out. So, yep, 21st and 24th are still tickets for. And then you'll be in Cleveland and Detroit two weeks after that. And I'm going to be at the Grand Comedy Club this weekend in Escondido. So if you're a local in San Diego, come down to Escondido. Get a burrito. I've got to tell you, Canada, I'm looking forward to going back it's been it's been a couple of years quarantine has kept me away from you i'm looking forward to seeing my canadian people

they've always showed up for me they've always been good crowds and uh here's a little secret thing there is a canadian date not these dates coming up where i'm planning on recording a special so i've never done a Canadian special. I'm going to do one. It's going to be me dressed as a lumberjack drinking maple syrup from a cup. The end of Dexter. Maybe this cup.

I love maple syrup. I have a quick segment. There's a new Coca-Cola flavor out and I have it. It's called Starlight and it's supposed to replicate what space tastes like. Oh yeah. Oh you actually have the product? I have it. Is it chilled? Yes.

Okay I mean. Can anyone get this now or are we like. Yeah yeah yeah. I thought we had like. Why did you tell me what it's meant to taste like? I wanted to taste it and tell you what it tastes like. Also I love that he was unprepared. He's like, I've got this thing.

Now I have to get up and go walk elsewhere. I wanted to say, Cole Kelly, thanks for the support. I'm supporting you, Jack. Don't tell me the flavors. Don't tell me the flavors. I don't know what the flavors are. Yeah, but you can Google it, and I will tell you what the limited edition Starlight. This is so cold.

Oh, yeah edition Starlight. Oh yeah. Starlight. I don't drink much Coke but when I do, I drink Coke Starlight. I like the can. It's a little tiny can. I've got a taste in mine. Yeah, this is like cotton candy. Yeah, it's cotton candy. candy no it's what space tastes like

well space tastes like cotton candy I didn't hate to break it to anyone that's never been there it's like a light cotton candy there's no citrus in it there's a cinnamon overtones really I'm not tasting any cinnamon again there's like an aftertaste

at the back of your palate this is not going to be a good ad for them, but this tastes what some vapes smell like. Yeah, it does. It does. This is not sponsored. I just thought it was. It's very close.

It's not like cherry Coke where it's a very defined different thing. It's very close to Coke. Vape. I'm going to say it's bubblegum Coke. It tastes like a vape smell. There's a person in my house whose vape smelled and tastes like this is it.

I mean, last night when we were trying it out, we were like, you know, this would go great with Jack Daniels and this and Jack Daniels is like money. It's really good. Jack Daniels makes me want to puke though. Well, maybe not with some Coca-Cola Starlight. The fact that they've actually written space flavored is like, stop treating me like a moron.

But it got people to buy it. They have another flavor coming out in May called Bite. And it's supposed to be what Pixels tastes like. I thought it was going to be what Pixels tastes like. Like the cartoons? No, Pixels is just like what makes up a digital screen. I thought it was going to be saliva flavored. So don't worry.

This one sounds like Buzz Lightyear's cum. Cum podcast. Yes. To a fee and beyond. I mean, I wouldn't drink. Oh, my God. I'm not finishing that. In space.

I don't know. If anyone's watching at home, for some reason, the last 30 minutes, I've just been grabbing my dick. I just realized I was squeezing my dick like this. Just out of comfort. And then I thought, oh, there's a camera. Better move my hand to here. I'm in

Jack's house. It's a natural response. Oh, we're in Jack's house recording this podcast. New location, number 25. The Imp have had a few renovations. Renovations. Yeah, new location, number 25. We are the nomads of broadcasting. We've had a few renovations. A couple months of renovations.

Yeah, so the room's not available. So we came to Jack's house, and now it's like, we should be here all the time. I know, it is way more convenient to drive here. It's very nice. It's very nice. But he does have a movie poster of the Bee movie. Yeah.

Signed by Jeffrey Katzenberg. And there's also Flushed away over here on this side which was just signed by people who lived in the house there's a gym wall back here yeah i set that up for the podcast there's also too many throw pillows for me i realized is that me doing stand-up that picture it's stand-up you will with the camel and you in south africa and that's a cool stand-up picture i'd like that picture? It's stand up with the camel and you in South Africa. That's a cool stand up picture. I'd like that picture. Why can't I have that picture? So now your home decor is going to Jim's house.

It's probably Jim's, right? I took it. From where? From the show? That's Sydney, I think. You took the picture itself. Oh, you took the picture. I took all those.

I can't see it. It's behind me. I have too many throw pillows. I can't turn around. Next week we should reclaim this. It's a very artistic picture. It's behind me. I have too many throw pillows. I can't turn around. Next week we should reclaim this. It's a very artistic picture. It looks like... It's in the book I gave you, I think.

Oh, yeah. I got a book. There you go. Jim has not opened the book. No, I haven't opened the book. It was very nice. All right. Well, that being said, maybe we should read some ads. Or introduce our guest.

Maybe we should say... We'll let the editor decide what happens next. Yeah, we'll let Luis decide what happens. Luis has been very quiet today. It's way over there. Oh, Luis, did you want some Starlight? Yeah, that would have been nice. You can have mine.

It's just in the fridge. No, no, it's okay. Okay, now it's time to welcome our guest, Jonah. Now it's time to play. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though.

Judging a look by its cover. All right, Jonah is here to talk about wrestling. He's got wrestling figures in the back and he's got a belt there. I don't want to go to it like it's the wwf or the wwc or the ww maybe he just likes wrestling he looks like a wrestler sounds like a wrestler has wrestling stuff behind him wrestling fanatic or wrestler i don't know i don't follow the wrestling but i i'll give it a go i did when i was a kid yes yes professional wrestling that's what we're going to talk about. Jonah is a pro wrestler from South Australia.

He has wrestled in 15 different countries over the past decade, most notably known for his time in the WWE as Bronson Reed. He now goes by Jonah and works for well-known companies such as New Japan Pro Wrestling and Impact Wrestling. He's also an avid fan of the business side of professional wrestling from its inception all the way to its modern era. Thus, he's on our podcast. You can follow him on Twitter at Jonah is here and IG same handle at Jonah is

here. Jonah is J O N A H. Thanks for being on the program, Jonah. No, thanks for having me. I hope it's an interesting topic for you guys to speak about. Are you from New Zealand or? Yeah. I don't want to get you cancelled, Jim. You're not Jonah from Tomah, are you? He's already cancelled. I haven't seen those episodes for a while.

You grew up there. Yeah, from South Australia. It must be fucking early in the morning, mate. Thanks for getting up. Well, I'm actually in Orlando in USA now. Originally from South Australia. I've lived here for the past three years and I miss meat pies

dearly. I'll hook you up with some meat pie companies that ship them out to you. I have freezers full of meat pies. I can't help it. Yeah, I'd be happy. You ever have the Traveller? The Traveller is what 7-Eleven brought out.

So you've got your 4 and 20s, which is square, and then they brought out a meat pie. You love the Traveller. The Traveller is the greatest invention of all time. They made a long one so that you could eat it in the car and it wouldn't spill over you. It's like, fucking hell, we had round technology that whole time, and then we had sausage rolls.

We had long technology, and then they made it into the travel technology yeah yeah yeah it's a it's a good seven inch pie and off you're fucking maybe five inch when i went to australia with jim the first time that there was literally we hadn't been landed more than a couple hours you took me to get shrimp or prawns is like the column to show me how much better they were and then you got a traveler you got me a traveler like we're at a gas station we gotta get a traveler we were doing a documentary that never went anywhere because of covid or whatever and there was it was lunchtime and there's this place i gotta give him a shout out brookie's pies in brookvale that's the best pie in the country man

that's the best fucking pie and so i went i just gotta go to brookie's pie so the documentarians followed us down there and then fucking went into the shop and went to the guy hey you got brookie's pies and like we're just filming this documentary and they're like oh as many pies you want i'm gonna be on telly and then the documentary got canceled because it just sounds like we went in there and just fucking stole all the pies we're with the food network all right well um uh we're gonna ask you some questions about professional wrestling and um and then after we're done with that we're gonna ask ask Jonah how you did. Zero through 10 is the best score.

10 is the best score, I mean, out of zero through 10. Oh, I got one more thing about the pie. So I go in there. There was a lady. There was a lady, and she had eaten a pie, and she ate half a pie, and then I ate my pie. And then they went cut, and then the lady came up to me and said, hey, can I have a photo?

My brother's a big fan. I said, no problem. And then I saw her leaving, and I went, you're not going to eat that. And I ate a stranger's half's a big fan i said no problem and then and then i saw her leaving i went you're gonna not gonna eat that and i ate a stranger's half of a pie fantastic i ate a stranger's half of a pie in the middle of covid worth it that's bold man yeah all right categories um so jonah's gonna grade you on accuracy zero through 10 10 is the best kelly's gonna grade you on confidence i'm gonna grade you on etc and then we'll tally those together. This is the first time our guest has made the category.

So I didn't make this. 21 through 30, main event. You know what that is. Yeah, the main event. 11 through 20, mid-carder. And then zero through 10, curtain jerker. I'm assuming curtain jerker's not good. No, no.

I've been one of them. My mom used to get fucking mad at me. All those stains at the bottom of the curtain I was more of a curtain cleaner I didn't jerk with it, I'm not an animal Yeah, it's more like someone that starts off the show I guess similar to comedy You have people that start the show

And then you have people that finish the show That's sort of how wrestling works as well You jerk in the curtain, you're first out I like that term, curtain jerker Yeah, we should call the others that now I'm going to call Forrest curtain jerker. Well, it depends who's first. If it's me or Amos or JJ

or Lisa, yeah, curtain jerker. What is the difference between wrestling and professional wrestling? Okay, one of them is one and one of them is the other. So there's wrestling, which is like what you see in high school where you wear those things over your ears and you start

in like a doggy position. I've seen enough American films where it's just like fucking, you're meant to wrestle in that stupid outfit. It's the most homoerotic thing I've ever seen. And then professional wrestling is, I don't want to be mean, but not real. It's a performance piece where they're flinging around the ring and they're doing big stunts and all that type of stuff well

they get paid right they get paid yeah it's also a paid thing of course that's the professional part yeah uh romo greek wrestling that's another one all together yeah where they sort of stand they're gordon gecko wrestling and. And they sort of get in there a bit. And then you got sumo, which I would call a form of wrestling as well. Yep. Or it's sumo wrestling. You're right again. It's in the title.

Nailed it. Ten out of ten. What is WWE? What does it stand for? World Wrestling Association. Association. World Wrestling Association Association It's on the internet Enterprises or something I don't fucking know

What about it was formerly WWF World Wrestling Federation You know why they changed it? It's because of the animals The animals is the World Wildlife Fund Okay and then there's also NWA, NWO I don't know if you know Um, it's because of the animals. The animals is the world wildlife fund. Okay. And then there's also NWA,

NWA. I don't know if you know. Yeah. There's a whole lot of different fractions and stuff like that. I watched it. I watched the, um, uh, who's the big,

uh, Andre, the giant documentary. I thought it was very good. He had the fucking shit in a bucket on planes. Cause he couldn't, cause he couldn't get into the little toilets. So they,

they'd pull the curtain to the side. Me, I hold my poo in for the whole flight. That's where they got the term curtain jerker. Yeah. There's a good story, actually. Andre the Giant, he used to wrestle in Japan. He didn't fit into the Japanese hotel room toilets, so he used to shit in the bathtub.

Oh, boy. Bit of fun. Yeah. Someone shit in my bathtub at a party five, six years ago, and it could have been him. That's when you were living in Japan, right? Yeah, Long Beach, Japan. What are the rules of pro wrestling?

Well, like, you might have something that's- How do you win and stuff like that? Yeah, you got to pin him down for a three count. Dunk, dunk, dunk. But then there's things like, okay, they say there's rules, but I've seen Mr. Fuji hit a cunt with a chair. He wasn't even involved in the fight. He was just a shitster, Mr. Fuji.

The fucking Jantyak dog was running around. He was fuming. He might have been managed by Mr. Fuji. I can't remember. Any other rules besides pin him for a three count? No, they seem to be able to throw you out of the ring. You can't be out of the ring for too long. There would be a time limit outside the ring that you have to be back in there but then there's separate rules for things like cage matches where they'll put the

belt on the roof and you have to go up and get that to win there's different you know there's different categories there's tag team there's royal rumble uh with a tag team you have to tag the person before they come in and unless you just decide not to and you want to start fighting each other you know i mean there's a lot of stuff like that oh they've just gotten in the ring they're hitting each other oh no yeah um what was the golden age of pro wrestling or what is maybe i would say the golden age was the era with hulk hogan and uh you know all that stuff the junkyard dog the bushwhackers, George the Animal Steel, because that's when I was a kid and I was watching it.

But I feel like that was when the ratings were, maybe it's different, but that was when it went from, because wrestling used to be in different fractions. So like when, who's the man on the moon? Jim Carrey? Jim Carrey? No, Jim Carrey played him. Andy Kaufman?

Andy Kaufman. Andy Kaufman was doing all that stuff where he was wrestling women and all that type of stuff. And then there was that guy, Jerry, whatever his name, who slapped him on Letterman and all that type of stuff. And he was a wrestler from the South, and everything was in different divisions around the country. And then satellite TV is PN type of thing where you could broadcast it across,

and that's when it became United. But it used to be regional television. So I think just after that, and that's like Andre the Giant was working in some federations and all that type of stuff. When they sort of united them all into the one thing. Vince McMahon would have brought in the golden age of wrestling. Well, that's what I was going to ask. I was like, who revolutionized professional wrestling? Vince McMahon.

Okay. You know anything about him? gonna ask i was like who revolutionized professional wrestling vince mcmahon okay you know anything about him i think i believe he was somewhat of a wrestler himself but his father was big in the wrestling and then vince took it to he was a promoter and then vince took it to the next level okay and then when did like the trash talking start and like why like i i mean um before let me ask this do we do you know jon Jonah, how far back professional wrestling goes? Have I asked that? I do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the whole history of wrestling. So how far back does professional wrestling go? Like what year? I think it would go back to the answer for all questions ever in entertainment is vaudeville. That's a good guess. Yeah, yeah. So I would go back to the Great Depression,

and people would have wanted to watch that for entertainment. But also you got to think about like Mexican wrestling with the masks and all that type of stuff. And I've seen that in LA. There's a couple of guys dressed as chickens and a few dwarfs come in. It's fucking brilliant. You know what it's called?

What Jack said. I know. Horchata. Anyway, so. Horchata. Anyway, so the Mexican wrestling, you know, so I think in that form, over 100 years. And then the trash talking and that kind of stuff, was that? I think you would always, you can't have a guy slap you in the face and just do nothing and stand there.

No, no, you know, like before the matches and stuff. Oh, in the 80s, that was a big thing where they started doing the storylines. Like, you have to meet me for the Royal Rumble on the beach with the thing. And there was that guy with the tash who was always in the bow tie. Oh, the people are very upset with you. What are you going to do? Oh, no, I'm Jimmy Stewart. I don't remember his name, but I remember seeing him on TV a lot.

And I think he's recently dead. Mean Gene. Mean Gene Simmons. Mean Gene Okerlund. I mean, yeah. And so he gave the show a little element of oh this must be real when you're kids because he was talking i'll tell you who's really big into wrestling who will show me clips a famous friend of mine uh freddie prince freddie prince loves

the wrestling and he does a wrestling podcast every now and again and he showed me once a clip of there was like him and Hulk, not Freddie and Hulk Hogan. There was two guys. I think maybe Hulk Hogan was dead on the mat. And then like, they go, Oh no,

he's dead. And before Hulk Hogan did that thing where they lift the arm up and it dropped. I used to lose me shit as a kid. He lifted up and then he'd point like that. It was like when Popeye ate fucking spinach. And then he would go hell for leather, brother. Right. But there was this thing. There was this would go hell for leather, brother. Right?

But there was this thing, there was this one bloke, it was laying, he was like dead. It was either Hulk Hogan was dead or the other one was dead. And the other guy got up onto the turnbuckle, I think that's what you call it, on the corner ring, and he jumped down and he went boom onto his chest and it was like a bolt of lightning. And then he just went, came back to life.

He's like clear. Yeah, like he was on the clear machine, right? The defibrillator. I don't know. Defibrillator. Yeah, yeah. So he's on that and then he stood up and said, oh brother oh and then he just started beating the shit out of people and they reckon that was one of the defining moments where wrestling

got a bit silly. You know what? You know that incident Noah? Jonah? Sorry, Jonah, you know that? I do, I do, yeah, yeah. WrestleMania V happened, yeah. Number five, man. Do you know what kayfabe is? That's Korean wrestling.

Okay. You know what WrestleMania is? WrestleMania is the big tournament that you have each year. WrestleMania is the big, like, that's the US Open. That's the Masters. WrestleMania is the big, like, that's the US Open. That's the Masters. That's the big event. And how does a wrestler choose, like, their either gimmick, personality, finishing move?

How do you think they do? Okay, well, I think if you're a villain or a hero or you're a curtain opener or something like that, I think that probably you would have some say in it, but I believe there's so many, it's like, it's, it's like anything. There's so many people trying to get these jobs that I believe that management and the show would point at you and go,

you're going to be a winner. You're, you know, like I miss the old corny characters. Like there used to be a bloke when I was a kid, who was just like a posh millionaire. And he came out with like a monocle or something. And he was like, Ooh, it's a bit English and then, Ooh, blimey. And then he'd start beating people up. And then you have these people like Hulk Hoganle or something. And he was like, Ooh, it's super English. And then, Ooh, blimey. And then he'd start beating people up.

And then you have these people like Hulk Hogan was a hero. And then you have these people who are villains who would get their ass kicked every now and again. So you think that that was, that's like, I think it's engineered like a script for you'd have some say in it, but I believe that promoters and managers would push you in a certain direction.

If you want to be on the bill with us, this is what you will do. So do you think all matches are predetermined? I believe that all matches for the most part are predetermined. I do. However, I know that there's stories of like some wrestler was told, like you're going to go down in the, you know, two minute mark and he's the finishing move like that. And there's been some wrestlers are like,

fuck this. And just slap the other cut for no reason. Okay. A couple more questions here. What are faces and heels? Face is the skin that goes over your skull. Okay. And the heel is at the end of your foot forest. Sorry, that's the wrong podcast. Heels are the baddies. Heels are the baddies. Heels are the people who are meant to be the, the Nazis.

I'll say faces are just the, not the winners or something. Cause there might, I think there'd be a different term for them. I think faces are just people who are easy rub beats that are put in some of these early rounds. Just people who are proficient in it. What's a jobber?

A job would probably be what I just said. A face was. What about a pinfall? A pinfall? I would say that someone who is used as an easy beat over somebody. Okay. And then a couple more questions. Oh, yeah.

Here we go. Sorry. Another page. What does it mean to take a bump? You get a little bag. You get your key. You shove it in there. I hope you're listening, kids.

It's called blow, but you don't blow. You breathe inwards. That's weird. And you put the key up to your nose. And some people call it a key bump. But then when you get really into the drug, you just call it a bump. What is a receipt? Something you don't get for a bump.

Try not to leave a paper trail, kids. I thought maybe those are the wrong questions. Who is a jabroni? Oh, that's the thing that makes the ice nice. Okay. Last question is, I it's i'm gonna say something and it's either a wrestling move or a cocktail all right okay this sounds like one of jack's games that he spent months and months to prepare for royal arrival cocktail or a wrestling that'd be a wrestling move? That would be a wrestling move. Snake eyes.

I'm going to say it's a cocktail, but Rowdy Ronnie Piper used to keep a snake in a bag that he used to just pull out. He was a Scottish bloke who used to like to fight in a kilt, and then he'd bring a snake out and just fucking throw it around people's necks. I think it's a different guy, though, the snake. Oh, no, Jake the Snake. Jake the Snake. Yeah, Jake the Snake did that. It'd be weird if he didn that had the snake. Oh, no, Jake the Snake. Jake the Snake. Jake the Snake did that.

It'd be weird if he didn't have a snake. Rowdy Roddy Piper just did a lot of Scottish shit. So cocktail. He said, all right, stinger. Cocktail or wrestling move? Well, a stinger in baseball is when you're hitting it hurts your hands. So I'm going to say that a stinger is like when they go, when you go like that with your body

that would be a shot Irish whip you whip them across the thing obviously they throw them with the arm and then they hit the ropes and they bounce back and they run back and forth and they duck I would say that's a wrestling move

Wolfram Wolfram I would say that's a wrestling move. Wolfram. Come again? Wolfram. Wolfram. I would say that's a wrestling move. Gut Wrench. Gut Wrench would be a cocktail. Frog Splash.

I would say cocktail. Two more. Missouri Mule. Missouri cocktail. Boston Crab. Boston Crab would be a wrestling move. That's one of my favorite. All right. It is. What cocktail or wrestling move? I knew it was a wrestling move.

The Boston crab hold. That was like one of the ones I could, you know, it's indefensible. All right. Jonah, how did Jim do zero through 10, 10 being the best of knowledge of professional wrestling? I was quite surprised that, you know, for someone that hasn't watched it in a long time, he was pretty proficient in everything pro wrestling.

So I'd probably give him, I'd say an eight, eight out of 10. This is the thing is, I've done very well in wrestling, porn, and TV.

Yeah. There's another one. Everything else with like science or history or fucking school yeah yeah anything that takes real learning there's another one you did really good on too i don't remember the james bond james bond did it right in james anything in entertainment yeah i did poorly in stand-up comedy kelly how are you doing confidence i was actually also going to give

him an eight. Even the ones that you didn't know, you answered them confidently. And so. Nine plus eight, 17. I'm going to give you five, 22. You're the main event. Woo. Main event. All right, all right, all right.

You're a headliner. Act like it. There we go. I like the wrestling back in the day when it was kids. And then I watched it again and it just got a bit sinister with all the undertakers and stuff like that. It was got a bit sinister with all the Undertakers and stuff like that. It was taking a bit of a dark turn.

What was that TV show you watched, Jack? Oh, no, no, it was with my son. I get the two of you mixed up. There was a thing like we were watching all the interactive things on Netflix and there was this one thing that was an interactive show with wrestling but it showed no wrestling. It was just the stories of like, should the undertaker do the dishes or should he go to bed?

You know, it was really, it was some poor ass TV, but we watched the whole thing. So I asked Jim, what is the difference between wrestling and professional wrestling? First he said one of them is one and one of the others. My favorite answer. It's true. Yeah.

Can you just, can you tell us a little bit about just the differences between wrestling and professional wrestling as you see it? Yeah, your common wrestling is like what Jim said. At a high school, you have amateur wrestling or Greco-Roman wrestling or freestyle wrestling, which is now used a lot in MMA. And then pro wrestling is what was derived from that and is a work, I guess you could say, or it's fixed. And basically it's,

it's adding the entertainment to the amateur wrestling. Yeah. Has anyone ever tried to do with the outfits and all that type of stuff, the wrestling properly, or is that, or is that just UFC? What do you mean by properly? Like if that just UFC? What do you mean by properly? Olympic style? Do the WWE or the WWF wrestling, but actually have a go. Like Greco-Roman style? Yeah, but just like, I'm going to punch this guy from jumping on the

turnbuckle and flipping it on me back and see if that really works. Or pile driving somewhere. You mean in the Olympics? Yeah, yeah. Just in real life, just go, hey, how about we actually fucking do it this time? Yeah. I've seen it done. I've seen people backstage do things to each other that would surprise you.

For the most part, you all must get along, right? You all sit backstage and play cards and stuff like that. But it would be like any business or any workplace, there'd be cunts you don't like. You're like that. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. It's,

it's like a traveling tour touring business. You know what I mean? Like, like anything, like, I don't know, even like sports, like you have your sports teams,

like the Lakers or whatever, everyone on the team is playing for the team, but at the same start time you have your stars and stuff. So sometimes there's rivalries backstage, but generally everyone is pretty cool with each other. And also you don't need to comment on this next bit, but you've got 15 guys backstage that most of them would be on steroids. They must be a bit of raging.

That's what they should bring into the WWE. We're going to start drug testing. Yeah, well, they do drug tests, but I don't know how well those drug tests are done. Oh, really? I thought it was just entertainment. It's like, oh, we're going to start drug testing the early Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.

This doesn't seem right. We're going to drug test Rocky IV. If there was ever a movie where the whole premise is that Rocky's just working out in the fucking wilderness, but Drago's using drugs oh shut up sylvester or if you got drug tested back in the day before you had to do a show if they drug tested me before alcoholic i wouldn't have been able to make that special i i i i signed a new stand-up deal a couple years ago just for touring and stuff like that before you before you do it, they, you know, rightfully so, you're signing a contract with a touring company.

They make you do a medical, you know, and they check and you do a full physical and they check that you'll live long enough for the contract, you know what I mean? And I feel like going, you're giving me one of them now. This is the healthiest I've ever been. All right. I asked him what WWE is. He said World Wrestling

Association. Association and Enterprises. Association. What does it stand for, WWE? It's World Wrestling Entertainment. Entertainment. So wrestling nowadays, you know, so much.

A lot of companies would still call it pro wrestling, but WWE refers to it as sports entertainment okay and then there's so many different groups because he did get the wwf right thing yes the world wildlife foundation because i actually donate to them i have a shirt and then i'm something just popped up right before this podcast with that but but um do you class it as a sport jonah uh i class it as sport. I think it is sports entertainment.

I mean, you do have to be athletic, and there's a lot of training that goes into it. I think a lot of people don't realize what you have to do to be a successful professional wrestler. Oh, I don't understand that. It's very athletic and all that sort of stuff. But then we get into this sort of weird, so is cheerleading a sport?

Is Cirque du Soleil a sport? I mean, I personally think so is cheerleading a sport? Is Cirque du Soleil a sport? Yeah. I mean, I personally think cheerleading is definitely a sport. Like cheerleaders are some of the best athletes out there. Yeah, but no winners and losers. Yeah, there are other competitions. When they're in competitions, yeah, yeah. But I mean, it would be the same as wrestling. I think there's a level of athleticism that probably surpasses many other

athletes. But there's comedy competitions. Am I doing a sport? Well, it's not. There's nothing athletic about what you do. I've seen you run, dude is there dance yes i like to consider it uh a violent art form yeah no i agree it's it's it's a dance yes between two large sweaty men or women or more women. Oh yeah. Um, and so WWE,

WWE is obviously the pinnacle of this, but there are many other different organizations, right? A couple of that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I,

I, uh, worked for WWE until recently up until last year. Uh, now I work for new Japan pro wrestling, which is based in Japan and for a company here in the United States called impact wrestling. So it's quite a few.

They have television products as well. But WWE is the one that most people are aware of. Now, what's the, I assume there's, we call it in comedy, an open mic circuit where how do you get into wrestling? Is there, because I've seen like these videos of these people who are doing their backyards and these kids who film themselves doing the stunts. Do they find you out or do you just fucking you, you like jackass beat the shit out of your friends and try to do stunts and then just go, we've got something. Is there, um, like low level clubs you can go to and show off your wares?

Yes. Yeah, definitely. So the way I started in wrestling was in a backyard. I was wrestling with my mates, just trying to do cool things. And then there are pro wrestling schools. So a lot of old timers in the business who no longer perform, they will open up a school and they'll teach you how to become a professional wrestler, show you the ropes, you train, and then you go on the local independent circuit, which I guess is like open mics. And you can travel around. Pretty much most countries have an independent circuit where you're not getting paid very well. You might be getting paid 50 bucks a

match, if that. And that's sort of how you break into the business until eventually you can wrestle somewhere that has a television product like WWE. Is that where the phrase, show you the ropes, came from? Maybe. Maybe boxing.

Probably boxing. Probably boxing. That's funny because it's in comedy, same thing. Like you're doing whatever you can. These barge exists and that. And then you start off and you might just make 50 bucks, but the difference is you don't have a concussion afterwards. There must be wrestlers that come along in the same way when we see like a

hacky comedian who's doing sort of cliche jokes or easy punchlines or they've got, they've got like a fucking persona where we're like, we get it. You're slightly autistic and awkward. Like, you know what I mean? So there must be, there must be, there must be guys that are coming along and it's just like, I'm dressed as a fucking warlock or something. And my finishing move is a slappity slap.

And you're like, oh, we've seen it, buddy. Come on. Yes. You get a lot of the cliches, especially on like the independent circuits and to sort of break out and try and be seen by a big company like WWE, you have to have, I don't know, something to you, I guess. Same as like comedians, same as musicians as well. I think it's a very similar thing. What was your persona? Were you a good guy, a bad

guy? We're still wrestling, but you mean... What is your persona? I'm a bad guy at the moment, so I'm a heel. When Bronson Reed was a porn star? I don't know. It definitely sounds like a porn star. He was finishing with the whip where he smashed people to death in his dick.

It's doable. But no, Bronson Reed, that was my WWE character. And I was a good guy actually in WWE. I was the big lovable guy. Do you enjoy being a good guy or a bad guy more? Are there pluses and minuses to each? There's pluses and minuses to each. I prefer being lovable guy. Do you enjoy being a good guy or a bad guy more? Are there pluses and minuses to each? There's pluses and minuses to each. I prefer being a bad guy.

I think everyone is attracted to the villain more, like whether you want to boo them or they're just more interesting than your cliche sort of good guy. But that being said, being a good guy, it was nice to meet fans and do things like that. The bad guys don't really do that stuff. Oh,

I didn't know that. I guess because you can't break that persona. You're like, hey guys, come on over. I once was checking into a hotel in Manchester and they were having like a big sort of royally rumble thing in the north of England where all the stars, and I think this is like back in the day, like John Cena was there and you know, like this was way back in the early 2000s and i remember seeing him they all had to check into the hotel the same way i fucking did they'd all gotten off the bus with their roller bags like oh fucking they don't have the keys ready for us fuck this

is a fucking where are we um rules of professional wrestling jim said pin for a three count and then other than that he said Mr. Fuji hit someone with a chair he said didn't seem to be a lot of other rules besides that I mean is there anything we're missing there yeah I think and you know Jim's right to a degree there are so many different types of matches

so you could have something called a hardcore match where you're allowed to use weapons or do whatever you need to do to win a match basically but your standard match that you're allowed to use weapons or do whatever you need to do to win a match, basically. But your standard match that you would see, the rules basically are you have to pin your opponent to the ground for a three count, as you said, or

you have to make them submit. You get them in a submission and they have to give up verbally. Other than that, as you said, if you're on the outside of the ring for more than 10 seconds, you lose the match and you can get knocked out. If you don't answer a 10 second count, you can lose the match. And you're not allowed to eye gouge, bite or any of those things.

They're frowned upon. But George the Animal Steel, he used to go bite the fucking. He did. He used to go, there used to be the foam bit in the corner. He used to lose his shit and he used to just start biting the fucking material off and have foam in his mouth. He was the best. Was he mentally challenged?

So a funny thing about George the Animal Steel is he was actually a scientist. No, no, no, no, no. He was used in science. No. It's funny. A lot of those personas where those people are big wild characters in real life usually are not that at all which is funny lack of a better term i thought he was

like a simpleton that they just sort of shaved down oh you've ruined my childhood you've ruined it yeah i've ruined it i completely ruined your childhood yeah yeah i always it was like what j Jim was saying with the folding chair, like Mr. Food. I remember watching when I was a kid, because that's when I watched the most. I was like Hulk Hogan, Randy Macho Man Savage. And I just remember watching him be like, the guy's cheating. The referee

clearly has to see it. Because he'd turn around and he'd be like, alright, I'm selling things over here. Being a good ref, I hope they get paid well, because that's an art form. The guy who's so easily distracted. Yeah. Yes, yeah.

What? He's supposed to be in the ring. He's like, what's going on over there? What was the golden age of pro wrestling? He says it was Hulk Hogan, Junkyard Dog, the Bushwhackers, Georgina and Mustiel. Yeah, I think most people consider that the golden age of wrestling you know the 1980s is when rock and wrestling became a thing and wrestling sort of

became mainstream you know you had the first ever wrestlemania and you had crossovers with like cindy lauper and people like that and that's when it became really popular it would also be uh i'm a big fan of the documentary the toys thatys That Made Us. It's a three-part documentary series about the toys that we are. Anyway, so they have an episode on the WWF characters, and they sold gangbusters. And once the toys came in and there was also you could punch them in this and they had the movable arms and all that stuff. Stretchy arms.

Stretchy arms. And then they came in and you could wrestle and all that type of stuff. So I imagine that was because when the toys broke in with the kids, because I remember, you know, watching the wrestling, it was a definite moment with Hulk Hogan where people started dressing up like him and stuff like that. We never really had Halloween in Australia, but I reckon that went probably pretty well here just like Hulk Hogan.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. And, you 100%. I think figures, things like that definitely will shape my childhood as well. As you can see, I still have wrestling figures now. Yeah.

One of them is me, actually, which is incredible. Alright, I'm going to quiz you here. Who was Hot Lips? Who was Hot Lips? Are you talking about Hulk Hogan and Rocky III? Yeah! Rocky III! Thunderloops!

Thunderloops! Thunderloops! Thunderloops! That was his name. Yeah, Thunderloops. Hot Lips from Mesh. Hot Lips was from Mesh. Different show.

I know what you're talking about, though. She was always wrestling with Burns. Joe, it was funny you said Cyndi Lauper. I mentioned that before the podcast. I was saying, I remember in her video, what was the guy's name with the rubber bands in his beard? Captain Lou Albano. Captain Lou Albano.

I remember her having the wrestlers in her videos and now looking back as an adult, I realize that did really bring in Cyndi Lauper was this huge pop star at the time and that did bring it in everyone's house. Well, Cyndi Lauper's in the wrestling and yeah and she had like all those wrestlers in her videos i still enjoy watching the footage of jay leno throwing people around the ring i've never seen jay leno wrestle it was it was worth the watch jay wrestling

he came in there he was the tonight show host at the time and jay leno just showed up i think he's in his denim, and he went in there and fucking beat up some wrestlers. You also got that, obviously. Diamond Dallas Page versus Hulk Hogan. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's not wearing denim.

He's wearing a T-shirt. Right, but he goes in there, and he whip turns him. He throws him across the ring, and it's like, Jay Leno's got moves, man. He's got Hulk Hogan here in an arm lock. Yeah, that's a big thing. You know, there's a lot of celebrity crossover with especially WWE. Dennis Rodman was a big one because he wasn't meant to be away from the team.

He went off and did the bloody wrestling. And then there was Celebrity Deathmatch, what, on MTV for a long time? With the claymation or whatever it was? Yeah. And most recently, Logan Paul was in WrestleMania on the weekend. So stuff like that. How do you feel about Logan Paul? I mean, in wrestling.

In wrestling. He did a good job, to be honest. If you watch his wrestling match, he did a good job. So I can't hate him for that. I met him in a lift with his girlfriend in Vegas recently, and she knew my stuff and so to speak. He was very nice. Yeah.

Oh, that's good. I'm not going to shit on the guy for no speak. He was very nice. Oh, that's good. I'm not going to shit on the guy for no reason. He was very nice. And then I was up playing blackjack to the wee hours. He came up and said hello when he walked past me again. He was very nice. Revolutionized professional wrestling. Jim said Vince McMahon. Is that correct? Yeah, I'd say Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan. So Vince McMahon was the one that he got the company from his dad, Vince Senior, but he made WWF something completely different,

you know, with television, the MTV generation, and his biggest star was Hulk Hogan. So those two together are what catapulted wrestling into the mainstream. And what was the – I know, I loved Hulk Hogan as a kid. I'm trying to think of, and by the way, he was in that movie with me and David Hasselhoff. I never, sorry. I was on my Patreon.

Yeah, there was, oh yeah. Well, I think it's on our Patreon. I tell a whole story about that film. But I think Hulk Hogan was cut from the movie because he had his controversial, he said the N word somewhere. He did. In a sex tape or something.

Oh, I know, on the phone. I don't know. I don't know what happened. N word in a sex tape would be such a bad. It would be so bad. He had that sex tape, didn't he? He did. Yeah, he did. Anyway.

There's race play. People are into that. What were you going to ask? Pokogen was what? What was the appeal of him? I guess he was a giant man, first of all. The bandana. Well, that was because he was going bald. That was a lucky thing.

But was it that he was like a blonde, surfer-y looking guy? I think a big thing, I mean, I'm not so much sure Australia, even though I was a huge fan of Hulk Hogan as a kid, I think because he was larger than life, super tan, blonde man, screaming at the camera. But I think here in America, he

very much was the good old Christian boy as well. He always wore the cross. He talked about saying your prayers, taking your vitamins, drinking your milk before. Hulkamaniacs. Yeah, Hulkamaniacs. So he's very much the ultimate good guy for Americans. Well, you know what I think it is? And maybe we can jump ahead on this one or the trash talking thing is like, I think he

was very good at that too. Cause I remember as a kid watching the two, the two people that I remember that were the best at doing that was Hulk Hogan and Randy Macho Man. And to me, to me, that was like the big thing with the trash. Like, I don't know if Jim said it started in the eighties or the storylines, maybe it started before then. I don't know if you can speak to that. I think it, it pretty much started like, you know, your wrestling sort of became more, uh, it became a television product in the 40s. And with that inception, you needed good guys, bad guys to be able to sell fights. So there was a good guy, there was a bad guy, but they didn't speak as much. They would have managers represent them. It wasn't until the 70s,

80s when the wrestlers themselves would speak about their life, their characters, and then get involved in these storylines, which created drama, which is great television. Yeah. So Hulk Hogan also became a baddie at one stage. He did. I want to say with the NWA. NWO.

Very close. NWO. Yes. NWA is what he was saying in the sex tape. And then he became a good guy again. Didn't he take Randy Macho Man? Elizabeth was Elizabeth's manager or was this his wife, Randy Macho Man?

Both. His actual shoot wife and his manager on screen. Didn't Hulk Hogan steal her away at some point? Sort of. The story was he thought that Macho Man wasn't treating her right because he was a jealous sort of husband and then he wanted to protect her

and then it created a rivalry between them. And that's when you would have saw that clip where he dropped the elbow on his chest and Hulk Hogan came to life. Yeah, he came to life. You gotta see this clip, man. He gets up so fast. He's dead. And then he takes the other guy off the turnbuckle. I remember that outfit, too.

Randy Mosherman. Now that he's shown it to me, that was a crazy outfit. I don't even know where Revolution. Okay. Golden Age. Okay. Yes. Do we know how far back wrestling goes? Jim said vaudeville.

There's vaudeville watch for entertainment and also it says mexico wrestling is called horchata here i don't know so over 100 years yeah yeah yeah so the first sort of like uh what you consider fixed matches were in the 1880s so after after the civil war um circuses and travelling carnivals became a thing and they would have wrestling or grappling matches on the show and then the people involved in the carnival would take bets from the local people

and then tell one of the fighters, hey lose so they could win all the money. So that was the first sort of inception of pro wrestling that we know today. It was in the 1880s and then it kept spiralling to there until eventually in the 1940s they got a television product. 80 years ago in Australia, you might know a bit about this,

we used to put big red kangaroos in tents at carnivals and then we'd say, see who can bloody knock down this kangaroo, see who can have a go. And that's where they turned to the boxing kangaroo because kangaroos are natural boxers and then they'd reel up on their legs and just kick them. Now, it's very hard to knock out a kangaroo because they're a tripod. They've got the two feet. And they're hand-tamed.

Yeah, but they go concussed standing up. They don't fall down. So it was a carnival trick like any of those things. People would go up with boxing gloves and start punching the kangaroos and then they'd go, oh, we've got another one. Come on in here, boys. Give him a rally on the drums. And we're not a very evolved bunch of Australians.

No. And then so maybe jumping ahead here, are all the matches predetermined then for gyms for the most part there? Some wrestlers have gone against it. Yeah. For the most part there are some wrestlers have gone against yeah for the most part you know you have your promoter or whoever's running the the show will tell you who's winning who's losing how long um then you go out and do the rest of it yourself but there are times where people have got into actual arguments backstage or whatever and then gone out there and what we'd call a shoot you'd shoot on someone and actually try to beat them.

So that's happened. It's happened before. Was The Rock's father, Rocky, what's The Rock's real name? Rocky Johnson was his father. Yeah, yeah. Was he a big deal? I've been watching Young Rock. Yeah, he was a WWF at the time, tag team champion.

So he became a champion in WWF, So pretty big. Not the likes of like a Hulk Hogan or someone like that, but still on the undercard underneath those guys. And then kayfabe, Jim said was Korean wrestling. Is that right? No. So kayfabe is the term that, it was a pro wrestling term that

no one really knew about until the last 20 years or so wrestling has become a lot more open to the public. I think everyone knows sort of what we do. So everyone's a bit more open, especially with social media and stuff like that. But kayfabe was protecting the business. So like, for example, kayfabe would be the bad guys would be in one bus and the good guys would be in another bus so that no one knew that actually we were friends.

That's kayfabe. Same as like, you don't tell the fans how to do this certain thing. It's essentially, it's like keeping the mask on. Basically. Yeah. Yeah.

Have they had a gay wrestler, like a character that's homosexual or like, I assume there's gay men in the business that were, that are just not out or whatever, like any sport. The idea that there's no gay athletes is a load of rubbish you know what i mean yes but has there been a character that's like you know like glory hole joe and or something oh he's pulled out the butt point yeah well i think wrestling is the same as anything has evolved with with the

time so you know in the 80s and 90s you might have gay wrestlers which weren't actually wrestlers which is people playing the characters where nowadays there are actually openly gay wrestlers right yeah yeah okay yeah um and then uh so choosing the gimmick personality finishing moves stuff like that you know uh do you get to choose that yourself? Do you and your manager, like, how's that work? Yeah, I mean, Jim was very correct. Like on the independent circuit, you're sort of doing your own thing, trying to be seen. So people choose their own characters, their own gimmicks, what they want to wear, what they want to present themselves as.

But then when you work for a big company, it's up to them. So when I got to WWE, they changed my name to Bronson Reed. They told me I had to be a good guy. I had to do this. I had to do certain things. And it's, it's pretty much like any other television product you have to read from a script. So it's, it's up to them in, in the big leagues. So what was your, and Bronson Reed, what was like your, your theme of your personality?

And did you have like a finishing move or something like that? I did. Yeah. So Bronson Reed was very much myself actually to be honest it's jonah is very much just the the story of my character was that it took me 14 years coming up in the local australian scene trying to break up from a small town of adelaide to get to the big united states and live the american dream and i sort of did that i became became a champion and my finishing move was the tsunami. And it still is, which is, uh, I jump off the top rope and land on a guy, but I'm 340 pounds. So people are pretty excited to see that happen.

When there are actual tsunamis and a lot of people died, you ever go, Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I wrestle, I wrestle, uh, in japan sometimes and when i first named the move that i was like oh that's a bit controversial i guess when i go which one's more dangerous you wouldn't like my finishing move it's called the chernobyl i can't fight in the ukraine for many reasons gas. I can't fight in the Ukraine for many reasons. I just fart on someone's face. Faces and heels. Jim said faces.

That was your joke answer. Heels are the baddies. Faces are easy to beat. And then I said was a jobber. And he goes, what I said a face was. So I think it was right there, right? Yeah. So a jobber is someone that's an enhancement talent. So they always lose. They just come in to make someone look good basically, but they'll lose in a minute basically to anyone. Um, a heel is the bad guy, the, the antagonist, but a face is the good guy. So the face face comes from baby face, meaning like, you know, you've got a baby face or you're the protagonist. You're the good guy. Without getting yourself in trouble with your fellow wrestlers.

That's okay. Yeah, without doing that, what's the dumbest fucking themed outfit or character that you've ever seen where you're like, you're what? Oh, I'm a baby. I come out in a diaper and hit you with a bottle. Yeah, in the 90s, there was a lot of bad ones like that. I think the worst one I saw was a character called the goon who was like a hockey goon, you know, he wanted to get into hockey fights,

but he would come out in the full hockey gear gloves. He had the fucking everything. He even had like the ice skates in the ring. It was ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the worst one I've seen. I miss that. There was, what was the, there was a, there was a. Probably the worst one I've seen. I miss that there was, what was it? There was a very good cartoonish one. Okay, so the Bushwhackers, they were Australian, right? They were New Zealanders, actually. Bloody hell.

But everyone thought they were Australian because, of course. Like Crowded House. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. Adopted Australians. What other Australian professional wrestlers have there been besides you? I mean, there's more nowadays than what there was. So when I was growing up, there was really no representation of Australia. But back home in the 60s, 70s, Australian wrestling was on TV,

and that's when it was sort of popular in Australia. So guys like Larry O'Day or Spiros Arion are famous Australian wrestlers. Did you ever experience some, well, not persecution. What's the word I'm saying? Where like discrimination in the sense that being Australian, where you weren't respected enough, very similar to Luke Longley when he entered the NBA and they were a bit sort of mean to him, you know?

Yeah, a hundred percent. So I think for a long time, the last, maybe last 20 years australian wrestling hasn't been seen in the same light as like wrestling here in the united states or japan or mexico so like trying to break into the american market was hard because they were like ah australians aren't talented just like a cliche thing you know what i mean that they're not going to make it 20 years ago in comedy weeks it was i, I'd do some shows in South Africa where they'd fly out some American acts and stuff like that.

And the American acts now, because it's different now with Netflix and YouTube and all that type of stuff. The American acts had this theory that they're the only ones doing standup and they were always so surprised that we could do it. Yes. They were just like, what? You're actually pretty good.

Wait, people do jokes outside of america 20 years ago before youtube and netflix before people because there was no competitions you go to countries like south africa and the comics weren't very good and now you can travel the world and they'll have a good comic in every fucking corner of the planet because people are watching it on netflix and they know what level you have to be up to. But without the exposure of it, they were just like, I'm just doing shit jokes and people are laughing. And people in other countries used to watch it like,

this is pretty good. People used to be amazed in the 80s that people just could do it. Yeah. I think it's very similar with wrestling. You have a lot of people now because of social media and everyone can stream live shows from Australia or wherever that people actually getting seen more and go, Oh, these wrestlers from Australia are pretty good. Or they're the same standard as the Americans.

But before that it was harder. Is there any country in the world where it hasn't broken, where you go there and you sell fuck all tickets, you show up and you go, I've told us not to come to Malta. I mean, I think that one of the smaller shows I've ever done was in Malaysia and I got smuggled across the border from Singapore by some crazy promoter. This was before WWE when I was trying to make a name for myself. And I think we ended up wrestling in this weird circus tent for maybe seven people. It wasn't good.

He was the undercard to a couple of chickens. Yes. So what does it mean to take a bump? What is a receipt? Jim said a bump. You know, you know, the answer is that Jim said,

yes. So a bump is distancing himself. I was going to repeat your answers, but I don't agree with what I said. You got a little baggy. It was only funny when you said it. I'm not going to repeat your answers. I don't agree with what he said. You got a little baggie. It was already funny when you said it. Jim said, you got a little baggie, you got a key. It's not accurate.

So bump is when you fall in wrestling. So, you know, when someone gets hit and they fall down, that's a bump. So a break fall. What do you do in a fight? I assume you still call them fights, right? What do you do in a match or a fight when you can tell, oh shit, this person's

injured? Do you stay in character or do you go, hey, we need a medic, fucking he's twisted his ankle? Very much you have to try and stay in character. The show must go on. It used to be people would fight. Are you alright? Hang in there, buddy. You try and go to the the show must go on. So it used to be people. Are you all right? Yeah.

You all right hanging in there, buddy? Yeah. You try and go to the pinfall or something quick. You know what I mean? You rush the match so it's over quicker. Unless it's something extreme. Nowadays, if someone breaks their legs or something, they'll just stop them.

The referee will throw out the match. Like it should be done. What injuries have you had? I've blown up my PCL completely exploded. When I jumped off the top rope once. What is a PCL? It's the audience at home. So you have your ACL,

which is on the front of your knee and your PCL is the one that runs along the back of your knee. Right. So that exploded in a match that I had. And they make a real popping noise, don't they? They do. Yeah.

Yeah. So other than that, everything else, touch wood has been pretty good other than I have a lot of scars on my head and like chips. I have like chip bones in my elbows and I have arthritis in my knees. So you seem to have a lot of discoloring on your arms. Yeah. That's from wrestling as well.

And pinfall. I didn't even get that. You said pinfall. I guess pinfall is when you can tell me what it is. Yeah. Pinfall is when you actually win the match.

So that's counting the one, two, three having their shoulders on the mat is a pinfall. And receipt. We didn't say receipt. Receipt is when someone

say someone hits you for real by accident or they are doing it on purpose, you give them a receipt by giving it back to them. I think I've actually heard that one before. Check your fucking receipt!

Yeah. And then who is a jabroni? Jabroni is like a term that was made famous by The Rock actually. So he used to call people jabroni is like a term that was made famous by The Rock, actually. So he used to call people jabronis, meaning like, I guess, like dumbass or loser. It's just a derogatory term he would use. Oh, I thought it was the Iron Sheik.

I mean, the Iron Sheik was the first one to use it. But then The Rock, obviously, is the Rock, is one of the most famous people in the world. He started using it. I once did Opie and Anthony with the Iron Sheik, and he was not with us in the room. And I don't know whether I've seen. You know when you have memories,

I'm not sure whether I was in the room when this happened or this is another time he was on it. I don't know whether I've seen the footage or I was actually there, but he just pissed his pants. He just pissed his pants on, he just he pissed his pants on Opie and Anthony and there was a big fucking wet patch and he was like, oh fuck you and he sort of stormed out, man.

Some of those old boys in wrestling are a bit far gone nowadays. Yeah, no, he'd they needed concussion protocol for the Iron Sheik. Wrestling move or cocktail? Okay, Royal Arrival, Jim said it's a wrestling move. concussion protocol. Oh, yeah. For the Iron Sheik. Wrestling move or cocktail? Okay. Royal arrival, Jim said

it's a wrestling move. Not that I know of. I only know the wrestling move. Okay. Snake eyes, he said was a cocktail. No, that's a wrestling move. So that's when you pick someone up on your shoulder and you throw them onto the turnbuckle. Snake eyes.

I don't know why. Wait, but what's a royal arrival? It's a cocktail. I only know the wrestling moves. We're not going to go through the recipes of all the drinks. Why not? You can look them up later. Stinger, Jim said, is a wrestling move?

I mean, a stinger is a term in wrestling when you might fall wrong and you have a little bit of a stinger where your arm locks up or something like that. It could be a cocktail as well, for all I know. All right. I didn't make these. Kelly, did you make these?

There was a list online. Okay. So that's a cocktail. Okay. Bullshot. Cocktail, Jim said. Yeah, cocktail. Okay.

Irish whip, Jim said, is a wrestling move. It's a wrestling move. That's when you whip your opponent into the ropes. That's when you throw them across the ring. You're right with that, Jim. Pretty good. Wolfram, he said, was a wrestling move. That must be a cocktail. I've never heard of Wolfram. Then you won't see it coming.

Gut wrench, Jim said, is a cocktail. It's a wrestling move. It's a gut wrench. So that's when you wrap your hands around someone's gut and you pick them up. That's a gut wrench. Frog splash, he said, says a cocktail. It's a wrestling move. It's a gut wrench. So that's when you wrap your hands around someone's gut and you pick them up. That's a gut wrench. Frog splash, he said was a cocktail. Wrestling move. So that's when you jump off the top rope and you land on someone, but

you do the movement of a frog. And you piss on them. Missouri mule, he said was a cocktail. Cocktail, yes. And then Boston crab, wrestling move. I then Boston Crab wrestling move. I know that's a wrestling move. Yeah, it's a submission move.

It's where you hold someone's legs and you wrench them back. Yeah, you sit on their back and you wrench them. It's indefensible. It's very painful. Would any of these moves work in real life or are they all just ridiculous? Yes. No, no. A lot of these moves, especially the submissions like a Boston Crab,

they come from the Greco-Roman wrestling or shoot wrestling. If you do them in real life, you can get into someone. You can injure someone really badly. Do it to Jack right now. I had a big brother in the big brother, big sister programs when I was

growing up because my dad wasn't around. I had this guy. He was a teacher. We used to do professional wrestling was a teacher and we used to do like it was professional wrestling was big then and we used to like pretend professional wrestling and i'd always put the boston crab hold would be my finishing move i'd do that there you go now cut to uh jerry sandusky uh when he was like uh when he was like molesting jerry sandusky was your big no no no no no one of the things in the deposition was he kept saying, oh, dude, wrestling, like wrestling things with kids.

And then I used to think back and I'd be like, yeah, I wonder if that was a problem with my big brother. He was just having a bit of fun with you. No, because I used to do a joke about it. And I said, well, maybe I was molested. Maybe it would give me an excuse at least for the things that went in my life. Anyways, fun way to end the podcast for us. Did he put anything inside you?

I don't think so. Well, then you're good. I think we're good. All right. Now it's part of our show called Dinner Party Facts. We used to sing Man in the Mirror. That's molestation. Indefensible.

All right. Dinner Party Facts. Our guests are going to give us one fact, obscure, interesting, they can use to impress people about this subject at a dinner party, a bar, et cetera. What do you got for for jenna i think probably one of the most interesting things in wrestling that uh obviously was kayfabe to a lot of people until modern days is that all the blood in wrestling is real so a lot of people even when i was growing up my parents and stuff would be like don't worry that's fake blood's ketchup, it's whatever. But from my own experiences in

wrestling for a long time, it's very much real. What we do is we have a tiny little blade, a little razor blade that would keep on us somewhere when we're wrestling and then when it's time to bleed, you just cut your forehead. Can you call it blading? Blading is, yeah, blading

or juicing. How tight? Do you have to get A special wrestling blade Don't do that Basically it's Basically it's like A shaver razor blade And over years

You know wrestlers Have passed it down Tradition tradition Where you just Cut it into a tiny Little bit No no Not using the same blade

No You buy a new blade Every time And where would you Hide it Jonah Where would you hide it jona where would you hide it so for me i wear wrist tape um so i hide it in there a lot of tough older wrestlers said they used to hide it in their mouth which i would never do i hide it there or some people hide it in the gear some people give it to the referee to then throw it to them. What was your walk-on song?

So I have my own custom music now, but in Australia before I was in WWE and stuff, I used Scribe. Do you remember the New Zealand rapper Scribe? No, no. No, you don't? I don't. It was on the rap. Jim.

I'd use Tub Thumping by Chumbawamba. Chumbawamba. I mean, that's a good song. All right, Jonah. Well, thanks for being here. Uh, you can find Jonah on his Twitter.

I G at Jonah is here. So make sure to follow him and check out what he's up to and doing. Uh, thanks for being here, Jonah. Yeah, that was, no,

thanks. Thank you. Uh, Jonah, thanks for being on the podcast. We appreciate it, mate. Good to hear the accent.

Um, if you ever had a party and someone says to you, the blood and the wrestling is not real, take a small razor blade and cut the cunt and then walk away. No one said I don't know about that. Good night, Australia.