I Don't Know About That - Sneakers

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

There are some gaps in Jim's knowledge on sneakers. Our expert Michelangelo Falcon (@michelangelofalcon) fills in the cracks. ADS: BETTERHELP: Visit BetterHelp.com/IDK today to get 10% off your first month. SHOPIFY: Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at www.shopify.com/idk ROCKETMONEY: Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/IDKAT GUEST BIO: Michelangelo Cosmic Falcon is a singer, song writer, and businessman. Michelangelo is the owner of Equvalence (a sneaker and clothing store in Los Angeles), Boba ‘N Tings (Boba Tea and Collectible Store) and Questions Clothing. Michelangelo is also a global brand ambassador for El Cristiano Tequila. He has a new sneaker product he is promoting - Quiqcleaning.com. @michelangelofalcon Michelangelofalcon.com   Equvalence @equvalence Equvalence.com   QUIQ Cleaning @quiqcleaning Quiqcleaning.com   El Cristiano Tequila El-cristiano.com @elcristianotequila

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And I don't know about that. Where's Jim Jefferies? And Jack and Forrest. For Dune 2? Is that why you did Water and Sand? Oh, man, I'm trying to see Dune 2. I'm going out of my way to see Dune 2. Me son wants to see Dune 2.

He's seen it tonight. I've got to be honest with you. Dune 1. Oh, fuck. I've tried about seven times. You didn't like it? It's slow. It's so slow.

Oh, I dug it. Oh. It's slow. And the whole movie is got, there's no levity to it. There's no bit. No. There's no bit where someone just goes, hey, it's good seeing you. No, not even that like, all right, that's enough of training.

What are we having for dinner? There's not that. I'm not saying there has to be gags, but it's just for a second, for one moment in the film, don't all speak to each other like this the entire time. Put your hand in this box and it got us. Still, my favorite part, it's like 2,800 or whatever, and you have like, Paul's army's coming yeah it's all just normal names kevin's coming names always

come back i guess um and the bagpipe stuck around we'll meet him more and talk with him more later michelangelo falcone our guest this year today if you guys are wondering who's and i michelangelo uh was uh i say in the next we record this second. We always do the guest first, record this bit second. So we've already done the podcast. It was a good one. Yeah. Stick around. Don't turn out yet.

The nudity. I think it's the most nudity we've ever had. I think so. And we normally have a little bit. Lots of nude, lots of dicks. What have we got for gigs, man? This week you're gonna be in Grand Ronde, Oregon

at the Spirit Mountain Casino and then next week Des Moines, Iowa Des Moines Civic Center and Kansas City the Midland Theater South Africa coming up so May 22nd

May 23rd Des Moines and Kansas City and then South Africa April 12th and April 13th and then all the other dates are on jimjeffries.com

I am going to be at the Factory Theater in Sydney, Australia April 24th and 26th there are tickets on my website on my Instagram all the other dates are on jimjeffries.com i am going to be at the factory theater in sydney australia april 24th and 26 there are tickets on my website i'm an instagram at four shah four shunanette april 24th and 26 please go if you're in sydney and buy tickets to that right now it's part of the sydney comedy festival and uh i keep saying i'm gonna have dates i will eventually have the dates for the the comics lounge i believe it's going to be May 2nd through the 4th, but we don't know.

And we've got the scheduled LA show that we've been talking about forever. It's in December. Yeah, that'll move to December 14th. December 14th. Everyone keeps asking me, when's my show in LA going to happen? December 14th.

And we did a live podcast and it did really well. So go to jimjeffries.com for all the new LA shows on there, all the shows leading up for the rest of the year on there. Correct. There's one show that needs to be taken off. Yeah, there's one show that needs to be moved. Sorry about that. Sorry about that, you people.

Atlantic City. And then four shot. Oh, I also have a show with J.J. Whitehead, May 11th. It's part of the Netflix is a Jokes Festival. Yeah, how did that happen? You two, I saw that advertised. We're cool. We're part of the festival.

May 11th. Yeah. All right. Hollywood Hotel. Yeah, how did that happen? You two, I saw that advertised. We're cool. We're part of the festival. May 11th. All right. Hollywood Hotel. Yeah, man. And then IDCat Podcast is our Instagram handle. And the doohickeys are doohicking. They're hicking around.

Hicking around. I got some dates in the works. I'll let you know. Fans. Now let's meet our guest, Michelangelo Falcone. Michelangelo just appeared. Just boom. There he is.

That's the magic of podcasting. Yeah. Well, thank you for being on the podcast, Michelangelo. But now it's time to play. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no.

Judging a book by its cover. Okay. Now, normally I look at someone on a Zoom and we look at what's in the background. I've only got this space. Is your specialty soundproofing? No. Okay, so look, you've got a nice watch, jewellery, Travis Scott's on.

Is it fashion? It's in the realm, I'd say. In the realm? Yeah, yeah. You're close. That's a good hint. You've got Your necklace You've got

Is that a Star of David Or a Star of David Is it Judaism That's I mean I just told you Which

Which We just got changed Yeah yeah Which is always a fun podcast You'll never get in trouble Is it Is it Okay

So Not fashion Okay Is it Is it Is it Got to do with an actual physical object? Yeah. So we're talking about an actual physical thing. A physical object that's in this room many times or several times. Technically all the time. Oh, several times. Is it four cocks?

I count eight. Of the object. Oh, cameras. No? Oh, microphones. That's four. Lava lamps. There might be eight.

Lava lamp in here? Oh, there is. You know what? The lava lamp is the most under est okay everyone whenever you get like they cost like that lava lamp over there would be 40 bucks tops right whenever you get it you go where'd you get that for and then as soon as you turn it on you go it's about to happen and then when it starts lavering up you go it's all right that worth it yeah i love the lava i'm gonna go buy a love that's a nice one. It's got a bit of art deco in it. I love me a lava lamp.

All right, stay focused. Realm of fashion. Realm of fashion. Is it shoes? You're close. Yeah, I mean- Sneakers. Sneakers, correct.

I would have sneaked it up a bit more. As soon as you walked in, you commented on Michelangelo's shoes too. I did, yeah, yeah. As soon as you went. Well, Travis Scott's i i have the brown and the whites one i get a lot of compliments on those and i wear them like i just wear them i don't think i don't hold them as this holy grail i wear you didn't know who travis scott was i i thought travis scott was a designer and he creates mcdonald's meals yeah i'm like he does

mcdonald's meals and I'm like he does McDonald's meals and shoes but it was when all these people got trampled at the concert I was like that's the shoe guy not the shoe guy

well let me introduce Michelangelo Michelangelo Cosmic Falcone great name yeah man is a singer songwriter

real name as well and businessman Michelangelo is the owner of did I say this right? that's equivalence equivalence

it's pronounced the exact same we just took a letter out there's a letter missing the I's missing but it's equivalence which is a sneaker and clothing store here in Los Angeles

right in Ventura Boulevard Boba and Tings which is Boba Tea and a collectible store and questions clothing Michelangelo is also a global brand ambassador for El Cristiano Tequila. He brought me some.

I can drink this. I wish I could. And he has a new sneaker product he is promoting. Quickcleaning.com which is like a sneaker cleaner. Yeah, it's a high fashion You brought one for all of us. My Travis Scott's need it desperately. I was at my

kids baseball practice the other day wearing and collecting balls in the dirt whilst the popped hemorrhoid was pouring out of my ass. Like, there's a lot of cleaning to be done. That was a really bad site. So it is equivalent. Yeah, that's where I met Michelangelo.

I was selling sneakers. Oh, you were selling sneakers. I had a bunch in storage. And so that was, anyways, it's a really cool store. If you live in Los Angeles, you should go check it out. You live right down the street from me. You got to go there, Jim. I bought up, okay, so I like to wear Converse on stage.

I've always worn Converse on stage. Yeah, just it's something that I did when I was poor. And then when I had money, it was still like a thing. And then I just, I don't know, there's something about when I'm on stage. I don't want something too cushy. It's just, you get, comedians are like baseball players yeah we get very superstitious about that shirt works that shirt doesn't work these if i if i don't wear these shoes am i still funny things like that so i you know for the most part and then they brought

out the um the converse twos which is where nike bought them and they put the nice inner soles because you're very flat footed or you were just barefoot on stage yeah we're just yeah very basically barefoot very flat footed in a pair of chucks right okay and then they bought these ones and they have like the tongue has the elastic on the side and all the type of stuff and then no one fucking bought them no one bought converse twos and converse were just like we're getting rid of them and I stockpiled because they're the comfiest Converse on earth they're so much better

I even gave Jack a pair I think you gave me one? I bought the wrong size for me how are Converse's looked in the sneaker world? well you know I think you did some research on this too but a lot of people don't even know that Converse is just a universal shoes,

not even like a sneaker shoe. It's like everybody wears Converse. Me personally, I've only worn a pair of Converse once in my life. And it was by force. I was on set. They're like, this is what your character is wearing.

And I'm like, you have foot ripes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just, I just never been a fan of them. Like they don't have no arc support or nothing, but I love how they look on other people for sure. I've, I've just never been a fan of them. They don't have no arc support or nothing, but I love how they look on other people, for sure.

You're a great gym. I used to have like, I've done that thing where you design your own, but I have no eye for that, and I've done that. But no, look, there's something about them that you'll see them in a movie from the 1960s or 50s or you know like that and then they they still they they've got to be the most timeless sneaker of all time they were like the original basketball they were the original like chuck taylor was a basketball player i can't even understand how that's even a thing i played basketball majority of my life and i couldn't

imagine playing basketball in a pair of chuck taylors let me's what we're doing. Let me ask some questions. Go ask a Chuck Taylor question and stuff. We'll get there. What were you going to say? Go ahead. My son has a couple of problems with his arches or something like that. I got it in him.

And he wears like different... He's got... One of the fun things about having a child, and I have to be very conscious of this because you don't want to spoil your child, is I can't... Look, as a man my age, a father, a husband, I tell stuff, I can't buy 50 pairs of sneakers.

That's stupid. But if I see a really cool pair of sneakers, my son's feet are growing. He needs the sneakers. So, sometimes I vicariously live my sneaker life through my child. And the Anthony Edwards is the hot one at the moment. The apricot with the black, you know, those ones. They're very popular.

You've got to go to a store. It's on Ventura. If you're an 11-year-old right now, they're the... And then the reverse Grinches or whatever. I hear about this all the time. The sixes, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The reverse Grinches.

All right, let's ask some questions. I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions on sneakers. At the end of the questions, you'll grade him on his accuracy of these answers. Zero through 10, 10's the best. Jack will grade him on confidence. I'll grade him on how hungry I am. And if it's 20 with a 30, Nike Air Force One.

That's a good score. Yeah, that's a good one. 11 through 20, Reebok Pump. I don't know if that makes sense. I love a Reebok Pump. Zero through 10, Karl Malone's la gear catapult yeah no that never made it to australia shack was in la wait you had those really yeah they sold them at payless and my family didn't

have a lot of money oh do you want me to read to you about the la like this is the the catapults the la gear carmel catapults came fully equipped with the power feedback system and a heel mechanism designed to absorb the shock of your foot's impact and redirect the energy back into your foot to help you jump higher that's what they said now had to be before i was bored yeah yeah it had to be easily before i was yeah these are them they're very ugly shoes too you don't like but oh they're like a ripoff of the jordan 6 look yeah yeah they're not not good you know and that's not what your score wants to be so here's some questions jim um where does the word sneaker come from uh to make a guess i would say the word sneaker comes from they're a quiet shoe to wear on your feet. They help you sneak up on things.

So every other shoe with a heel makes a kunk, kunk, kunk, kunk, kunk, and you can walk quietly in sneakers. As sneakers became popular in the 1920s, what brand became the most popular? In the 1920s, so that's way before Nike. But I would say in the 1920s. Yeah. Oh, so that's way before Nike. But I would say in the 1920s. Okay, so Adidas and Puma are brothers.

I know this much, right? And they German. And that was, I'm going to say, as I would say as an Australia, Adidas. But for the American viewers out there, Adidas. You're doing pretty good. Who was Chuck Taylor? Chuck Taylor was a basketball player that was the first player to have his own shoe with the Chuck Taylor All-Star.

Oh, early 1942. What is Michael Jordan's role in the history of sneakers? Just briefly. 1942. What is Michael Jordan's role in the history of sneakers? Just briefly. Okay, well, I just said Chuck Taylor was the first person to have a shoe named after him, but in the modern era of basketball, Michael Jordan was the first player because if you watch that Nike Air movie,

you had Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and all these different type of people. They were all signed up with Converse, and they were all wearing the weapons. Okay, so first person, modern era. The first person to have a shoe completely designed for their foot in the modern era. Describe like a sneaker head, what that means. A person who has a lot of sneakers, man.

And knows a lot about sneakers, thinks about sneakers, comes in sneakers. What is the significance of the term og in sneaker culture uh original gangster uh og um i don't know what is the significance of the term dead stock dead stock would mean that it's a a sneaker that you can no longer get anymore. It's out of manufacturing. What about the term bread, B-R-E-D? Bread, bread, B-R-E-D. B-R-E-D, no A.

B-R-E-E? B-R-E-D, bread. Bread. Is it an acronym? I don't know. I can't tell you. I don't even know what it is. Then it's an acronym.

What does it mean? He went with the safe answer. That's a letter spelled B-R-E-D. Bring Red Eric. Got it. Nailed it. What is the significance of the term collab in sneaker culture? What does that mean?

Not only what does it mean, but give an example. Well, the Travis Scott is a collab. sneaker culture like what does that mean like what not only what does it mean but like give an example well the travis scott is a collab um collab so they're the travis scott's uh uh air jordan air jordan ones and they've had a change to them where you put the swoosh back to front and that's a collab where travis scott came in and designed what does quick strike mean quick strike means uh that is a shoe that was brought out at a very limited release. And Hyperstrike? Hyperstrike.

Big release. Okay. Everyone's got one. Okay. In 1987, which sneaker brand released the first ever basketball shoe with a visible air unit in the midsole? This one's easy. Say the year again. 1987.

Visible what? It's like a visible air unit. Oh, air unit That was Nike What sneaker model is often referred to as the dad shoe? New Balance Model All New Balance

I've never bought one It could be the most comfortable fucking thing in the world New Balance You have to put more effort in Than just the letter N In a block font On the side of your shoe like i meant to wear it and then i get told by fucking dorks that are always like this oh no

once you try new balance i don't want to try it i'd rather fucking be flat-footed in me converse and comfortable in new balance which sneaker brand collaborate with fashion designer virgil abloh to create the 10 collection Virgil Abloh to create the 10 collection? I'm going to say sketches. Do you know what that is? The 10 collection? No, I have no idea.

What are Yeezys? Yeezys are that guy who gets in trouble with all the people. You're not wrong. The woman with the bum and the... Kanye West. Okay. Kanye West. And sneakers. uh you're not wrong the woman with the bum and the um kanye west okay kanye west sneakers and sneakers i'll tell you what yeezys are okay the ugliest thing that's ever been made in art history i think they're fucking atrocious looking and people who bought them because we have a friend amos gill who we all love and he wears love in a way in a way we like amos right yeah amos he loves he loves kanye so kanye could have made a shoe that was just looked like a hunk

of shit right just like like like one of those dog poos that you get out of a gag bag when you're a kid that you put down you think this will be a bit of fun and he would have bought them but i think they're really ugly they're too bulky around the sides it's meant to it's meant to be an extension of your foot an extension of your thing it's not meant to be an alien fucking spacecraft is attached to your foot you you're looking at me like you have very different opinions on this i'm trying to i'm trying to imagine which because there's so many different models so i'm trying to imagine which easy you have in your mind the one that's all the rubbery bits coming off and then the bits in the toe and it's just, oh my God.

I don't know what you're talking about either. I think it's the Croc version. The Croc-y version, yes. Can't be the other version. I don't want to say no names until we go through these answers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get back to it. I think it's the Croc one.

I have very exact opinions on clothes. I'm not a very fashionable guy, but I take care. I put effort. We've got a couple more. We'll get back to them. What sneaker brand is known for its collaboration with Japanese fashion label? I'm not going to say this right. Come de Garcons.

I think that's right. Garcons? Garcons. Garcons. It's Garcons. It's Come de Garcons. What sneaker brand? All I can do is a brand.

I'll say Reebok. Reebok. And you know anything about this collaboration? Yeah, they collaborated. That's an interesting answer. They got together. They got together. And they were like, both shoes are lifts.

What sneaker model became a cultural icon? Both shoes are made for banded feet. That's the Japanese. Okay. What sneaker? Ah, shit, Jack. You've outed me to the bastard I am I quit what sneaker model became a cultural icon after being featured in the film back to the future 2 oh uh back to the future 2 was uh Nike and they were they, they, electronic laces.

What are they called? And you put your heel in. They were just Nikes. I think Nike high tops. I think they have a name, but which sneaker brand released the first ever sneaker design specifically for skateboarding?

I'm going to say that's Vans. Okay. I like Vans. Like, like I, as a kid, Vans were,

Vans were the cool shoes and Converse, this comes back to being poor. Vans were the cool shoes you could afford. And also look like, ah, I don't really give a fuck. I'm just a van sort of guy. But now as I'm older, I find vans very hard to get on. I get psoriasis on my finger. And you've got to put your finger in the end of it like a fucking shoehorn.

You have a shoehorn? For my vans. I have a shoehorn for all my shoes. Yeah, but what about when i'm out in the wild i bring and i want to go into a swimming pool or something and then i didn't bring me shoehorn pack a shoehorn on the road which i like to say i like to say that to the people at the swiss army knife hey put a shoehorn in there yeah i hope they're watching no one's using the little magnifying glass. No one's using the file.

I don't think that could work. No one's using the saw. No, I've used the saw. You've used the saw? I've legit used the saw. We take that one back. What did you use the saw for? Let's just say that person isn't around anymore.

No, if you're cutting off a little branch or something like that, you know, just cut off branches. I don't know. Okay, okay. I'm in the Boy Scouts. I want to do a fire. You're not in the Boy Scouts. I was.

This is when I used the saw. I didn't say I used the saw today. When I used the saw, I was in the Boy Scouts. I never truly understood the Swiss Army knife because it had six blades, and all of them were just as dull. They were just shaped differently. That's what I'm saying.

How did you decide to choose the saw over the six other ones that are just as sharp? Out of all nations in the free world, the Swiss probably have fought in the least amount of wars of anyone. They're a landlocked country with mountains. All the tunnels that go through the mountains at a a button can be pressed down they can lock down it's the same reason afghanistan's never had a problem because they're surrounded by mountains and people can't attack no one can attack switzerland it's a fucking pain in the neck to get into that's why they're always neutral in wars world war ii and we're neutral because people like we can't fucking get it even if we want to right that's been hundreds of years the sw Swiss army knife is only like 150 years old.

Never seen battle. Never. It's never seen battle. Famous around the world. Never been. There's never, soldiers never carried it. They've never like finished like,

like killing a whole lot of people and gotten a toothpick out and gone, aha! Like that. It's never happened. Closest thing is for it to be used as a can opener. Oh, yeah. Like the closest thing.

It's got a good can opener. Yeah. It's got the tweezers you can use, but you lose. It's got like the baby, some of them got the baby scissors. The scissors are excellent. The scissors are clutch. The scissors are excellent. Scissors are sharper than the actual knives that they put in there.

You got a bit of loose thread. Yep. All those scissors, no one does it better. All right, guys, back to sneakers. What is the most expensive sneaker ever sold? What's the model or what's the price? Both. I think both, yeah.

Okay. I will say it was an original. This is a guess, right? I'm going to say original Air Jordan ones uh the Chicago the black and red ones uh game worn by Michael Jordan first season okay and I'm gonna say two million bucks all right when this is a question I meant to ask at the beginning but I wasn't that when was the first sports shoe or sneaker made and by whom and where earliest version of a sneaker

i'm gonna say the first sports shoe as we know it would have been made by fred perry and that would have been the tennis shoe actually fred perry's too young for that right he's gonna say a tennis i'm gonna say a tennis sneaker to be worn at wimbledon because you got those track shoes that just look like slippers with spikes coming out of them right but an actual like a rubbery like you could wear it you know i'm gonna say uh 200 years ago tennis 200 years ago that doesn't what is that 1824 like even before shoes were even yeah yeah 1824 you're thinking people didn't have shoes in 1824 i'm thinking they're like putting a cloth you're trying to tell you're trying to tell me like back in the day like

like back in the old days that fucking trikovsky and all that was just sitting around barefoot. A little potato sack and a little string to tie it up around the ankle. String and sacks? You think they had powdered fucking wigs but no shoes? Shoes all day. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. A lot of us spend our lives wishing we had more time. The question is time for what?

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Ten's the best. I think his history in sneakers was actually not that bad. Yeah. And then his knowledge on the more modern culture, I think that was the second half of the questions. That was a little off. Not as good. Yeah.

So what are you? One to ten. I'll give him like a 50-50, but a little bit over. Six. Okay, six. Not bad. How do you want to 10 i want to give them i'll give them like a 50 50 some but a little bit over six six six not bad how do you know in confidence jack confidence wasn't great he started he started admitting being wrong and like saying this is just a guess okay so we have to start getting rid of confidence with how was he's long i mean that was essentially it i mean yeah sometimes you're confident In your life But today you're just like

Oh I don't know This is just a good It's a five Some days you're clearly wrong But super confident That's the thing It's all about your fortitude Depending how you deliver something

It's believable Yeah true that It was five on confidence Five Alright so that's eleven You like Reebok pumps I'll give you a one I'm not that hungry

So you'll be a Reebok pump I remember Reebok pumps And I want to say Reebok pumps I'm going to say 1990 Was that about the year The a Reebok pump. I remember Reebok pumps. And I want to say Reebok pumps, I'm going to say 1990. Was that about the year of the Reebok pump? Are they still around, Reebok pumps? Loosely. Like, I mean, used ones, right?

Used ones. And I think they brought a new pair back, I think, like two years ago. And I think they're planning on bringing another pair back. Shaq was the original person for the Ree rebar pump we believed if we went and it was tighter around our foot that would make for better what were you pumping up air there was air pockets where where were air pockets all through the side it was on the side through the side on the heel and you went and it all tightened in on your foot to make it really tough because we believed back then that would stop ankle injuries for some reason. And then there was a release button that went,

and that was as satisfying as having your first cigarette after quitting for six months. There was a dunk contest where, who was it in the dunk contest? He had a D Brown. Yeah, and he pumped a couple of times. That was his dunk. He just goes, and then he dunked. You're like, it's helping.

Of course, I'm jumping higher. Two pumps, an extra inch. Four pumps, two inches. They did feel good, though. When you put them on, it was nice to wear. When it tightens around your foot, it was nice. Reebok really dropped the ball, didn't they? Because they were somebody.

They had the questions with Allen Iverson. All right, I'm going to test you. Where are Reeboks from? Ooh, see? I looked this up the other day. I know this. You know this one? Where are they from?

First, give me the country. See how you know this? I want to say Australia. It's on the fucking label. It's a union, Jack. They're from the United Kingdom. Really? Okay, they're from the north.

They're from a town called Bolton. Bolton, England, yeah. Yeah, I was reading... They still have the Reebok factory up there. Well, one of the factories. It's still active? That's the head of Reebok. It's still from Bolton. So the original

earliest sneakers and stuff, because I threw this question in there, I don't know if you noticed, but the earliest sneakers debuted in 1876 made by the New Liverpool Rubber Company. And so that's where the first... And they're rubber-soled shoes. They're also called plimsolls, which is like the line...

You know on boats... The British still call rubber shoes plimsolls. You know what a plimsoll is? They still call them that. You know what a plimsoll is? No. I know this from boating. You know when you see a giant freighter ship

and it'll be a color up here and then there's another color on the bottom? Yes. That line right there is called a plimsoll and the boat should never be lower in the water than that. That's how they can, just as an eye test for freight loading. So they know if the water line is above that other color.

There's too much weight. There's too much weight in it. But it looks like a sneaker. Like you have the color there, and then you have the one color there. Interesting. That's what I call them. I wanted to throw that in.

I didn't know you knew that. If a lady just has a rubber sole with just a bit of cotton on top, they call it like a very thin type of, more of a disposable-y type. Like not a high-end shoe, just something for comfort and ease. You know, they call them plimsolls.

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And then the word sneaker, you got it right. They're a quiet shoe to help you sneak up on things. The term sneakers. Okay, so in Britain, they call them trainers. Can't believe you got that right, by the way. Right?

I would have never guessed that. So in Britain, they call them trainers. Okay. Right? And Australians, we call them sneakers as well. Okay. And then you guys call shoes kicks yeah which i assume is because you kick with a new age i don't think that term didn't get adapted to like

i want to say 80s to like 80s so after air forces were dropped dunks i think that's when you're like kicks and i think it just kind of came from like kicking around nice kicks yeah i called everything a tennis shoe growing up which obviously some wrong I think it really depends on your environment where you grew up and if you're around like you said originally some people thought sneakers were really only for tennis

like for tennis or some basketball so it really depends on that boating situation I mean I'm a city boy so I wouldn't know about boating let's be honest that all sneakers because remember the fad in the early 90s of night bringing out cross trainers and they used Bo Jackson.

And then we were like, this one, you can play tennis, you can play basketball, you can run. And it's like, at the end of the day, you can do all these things. Because even the basketball players, I went the other day, two of the players at the game I went, they lost their fucking shoe. They were playing and the shoe fucking fell off right

and it's like and it's like because they're not wearing high tops as much anymore because they believe that because we always believed that was what stopped

an ankle injury Kobe was the one that debunked that so Kobe when he released the Kobe 4s that was the like everybody was like

whoa they're a low top no way da da da like you need the high tops. You need to tie around your ankle and all that kind of stuff, which, like, if you kind of do it, it's like you're supporting it. So what Kobe figured out was he looked at soccer players and was like, wait a minute.

First off, soccer players never have ankle injuries. And we have people diving at their ankles, sliding into their ankles. Right, never have ankle injuries. And then he realized they all wear low-top shoes. And then he realized it's because their ankles aren't being supportive, so their ankle's actually building enough strength by itself. So that way it cannot be hurt. It can overstand it.

It can withstand the flexibility, rolling your ankle. So he removed the high-top from his shoes, and from the Kobe 4 on are all low-tops. I thought it was Kobe, huh? Yeah, it was Kobe. Kobe was the one that really was like, you know, they always made the high and low. But Kobe was the one that was like, no more high tops for me. I was just thinking that too.

Because he played soccer. I went to that Lakers-Clippers game the other day. And I've noticed it for the last couple years. But I was like, everybody has low tops on. Which I like better too. Because there was like a three-quarter for a while there was the high top and then there was a three-quarter and i always would go for the three quarters i didn't like the so to me so to me it made sense so when i played basketball because at one point in time i was trying to be a professional

basketball player uh when i played basketball and i did roll my ankle you know how they give you that ankle brace they're like oh you got now got to play for a couple weeks in the ankle brace. But every time I put the ankle brace on, my ankle, like the bone inside, kind of felt like it was floating in water. So I never wore it. I took it away, get away. I was like, I'm not wearing it. This doesn't feel safe because now it feels like it's floating in water.

It's like too supportive. How is it going to heal? And then I was always back within like two weeks instead of the six weeks that they told me. So when that released, I was like, oh, this is smart. And I switched over low tops too with Kobe. Thanks, Kobe. Yeah.

I just switched over to the wrong thing. Okay. Let's jump back. Oh, and so the sneakers was correct. It was the United States where there was kids sneaking up around and some teachers and stuff like that. Let's go to this. What does Michael Jordan know? Who else should it be? I that I was like I didn't think of it that way yeah

I'm gonna be sneaky no you know what was a word remember the other what were ninjas wearing sneakers yeah yeah they should be called nin yeah uh it was maybe two or three months ago and remember i came to the realization that news means new you didn't come to it i told you yeah yeah but that's it wasn't like that was never apparent yeah it's called news kind of spell we don't call it the olds yeah yeah i know but i never thought of it that way i always thought of news as just a word it's new information that's why they always go, breaking news. And you're like, you've been breaking this all day. CNN will have breaking news.

Breaking news, breaking news, breaking news. It's not breaking. It's just newish. Am I an idiot then? News. Yeah. Everyone knows that news means that. I don't know.

Newspaper. I think it can go over somebody's head for sure. No, to me, news was just a word that was like, this is, we're going to report on some stories. Not like, this is the new stuff that's happening. Yeah, it's just the news. And it's the same thing as, you know what,

I don't prejudge words. I accept them for what they are. You don't think about the etymology. Sneaker, I'm just like, sneaker, yeah,

that's what the word is. He welcomes them. Yeah, I don't, however they identify themselves. It's good that he does that because he prejudges people's rice really badly. Oh, God. It's good that he does that because he prejudges people's race really badly. He's accurate, though.

That's my dog. What are white people like and they're not prejudging of words? And being filmed on a podcast. I'm jumping ahead here. What is Michael Jordan's role in the history of sneakers? You said the first person to have a shoe designed for them. I mean, that's pretty much it. I enjoyed that movie.

I thought that movie, that must have been your business. That must have been a movie to watch. I think that movie was really well made, actually. Really well made. You didn't really see him. He just sort of, you know, it's like we've heard the mythology of like, oh, we always knew that he preferred Adidas and all this type of stuff. And then he went to this.

What was his percentage that he kept? His mother got him a really good percentage at the end of the film. That was the whole thing. No, I know, but what is it? Do you know, Dan? I think they originally started off with like 25% and something really high. It was the first. You'd have to look it up, but it's like 25%.

But the real thing about it was I think the biggest deal about it was the first i don't you'd have to look it up but it's like 25 but the real thing about it was i think the biggest deal about it was he retained ownership of his name because they labeled the shoe it was like yeah call it so he retained ownership of that name so if he if they were if nike were to stop which they did get into a fight about this and i want to say 2009 they secretly got into a fight nike and jordan before because they wanted to bring back the Nike Air. I don't know if you remember, Jordan 3s at one point in time removed the Nike Air from the back and they were putting the Jordan logo. Because he wanted to be his own Jordan brand. And for him to put the Nike Air back on it to bring the shoes how they were originally released in 88, Nike was like, well, you're your own brand. So guess what? We need a bigger cut because he was already taking Nike was taking a smaller cut at the time the moment he slapped

his own logo on everything and then they're like if you can put the Nike air back on and then we want our original cut from 1985 back and the way they found a middle with that they just raised up the price of 60 bucks well that's when the shoes yeah that's when the shoes went from 160 to 220. yeah there was one day when they were like yeah i remember everything once it started coming with the nike air so so okay so now you've got like luka donkic i was saying that bad donkey that's right look at donkic he he has his own shoe under the jordan yeah so he has lucid Jordans. It has the Jordan label.

John Man, yeah. So now Jordan is kind of like a sister company of Nike, but even though it's still under Nike. Russell Westbrooks, his are also Jordans. So they're actually, now they're doing signature models for the players. And I think they commissioned, but it's not the same deal that Nike did with Jordan. Nike, essentially that deal was kind of like, hey, Jordan, we're going to create a shoe business for you but it's going to be under nike's though this is your business so they develop it's almost like if adidas instead of the brothers

adidas and puma instead of puma making his own if adidas was like hey you want puma cool but it's going to be under adidas but it still gives me its own company so let's talk about those two are they getting along yet puma and Adidas I was right saying German two brothers yeah they're two brothers both in the

one's name was Adi Dassler so I didn't know I didn't know he named Adidas after himself yeah the other one was Rudy

Dassler Puma he wasn't he wasn't Adolf I thought one of them was an Adolf or is that the cause

beer and was it what was one of them called Adolf Ad wasn't Adolf? I thought one of them was an Adolf. Or is that the Coors Brewing Company? Was it what? Was one of them called Adolf? Addy is Adolf. Yeah, he was Adolf. Yeah, but you don't want to be Adolf. Yeah, no, no. You don't want to be Adolf.

Well, this was in the 20s and 30s. Throw the name away. Yeah, yeah. In the 20s and 30s, you would have been okay, actually. It is Adolf Coors. Yeah, yeah. Adolf Coors is the beer. And then Adolf Adidas.

Wow. Dassler. Yeah, Dassler. That was a is the beer. And then Adolf Adidas. Wow. Dassler. That was a very popular name at one point. Oh! That was the name. That was the David. Bring it back. The old names are the best.

If the next dictator is called Tarquin, I'm going to be fucking pissed. Hold on. Bring it back. So if you met somebody with a kid and their name was adolf you'd be like cool it's still a little too soon i think addy addy's a nice name addy okay i tuck my chain and judge the parents kid's name's yeah you must have been fucking because i do a whole routine at the moment about how no one has a little tiny mustache anymore like you're never allowed at the moment about how no one has a little tiny moustache anymore.

Like, you're never allowed... Except for Jordan, who had one for a minute. Yeah. But if... Just out of pocket. But no one's allowed to have a little tiny moustache because there's one bloke. And no one's allowed to be named that.

You can't have a company... There's not even the surname. He killed off any... Like, he killed off a lot of things. But he killed off anything associated to him in any way. If he wore his watch on his right arm, no one would do it. We'd all go, no, no, you have to be ready. Yeah, he had a very big cultural impact, it turns out.

He did. I will say, okay, so the Air Jordan, I want to say, what was the ones with the little puffy bit on the ankle? I bought them again since, and they had the holes in the sole, maybe fours or threes or whatever if they're a little high top maybe no no they were a high top yeah jordan 13s yeah they were the ones with the the red sort of they came in black with red or white with okay and they had the bit you could pull up at the back yeah right and then the next one afterwards had a little scoop

cut out of it on the ankle bit you know like a little bit there anyway so i was 14 and i came to america on a long story but i was an exchange student in san diego for one month i came from a very poor family but if you go to the if you go to the rotary club in australia and say i'd like to travel people will just send you places it's a fucking weird thing anyway so so i went there but the big thing was in austral, and this is before the internet, if you buy clothes anywhere in the world now, it's pretty much the same size because I can buy things from Amazon and they're going to send it to me, right?

But back in the day in Australia, we were led to believe that everything that we bought was three times the price. If you bought jeans, three times the price. Shoes, three times the price. Because, oh, it takes us a long way to get here. We're far away. Oh, yeah.

They were hitting you. You and Hawaii, they were hitting you guys with import tax. At one point in time in Hawaii, I think it was like going around. We're like, don't order a pizza when you get there. It's going to be $100. Yeah. So I'm talking 1989, right? 1989 or 1990, a pair of Air Jordans in Australia

cost $300 Australian, something fucking ludicrous back then. And over here, they were 80 bucks American and they were considered very expensive then, which is now, what are they, 200 and something dollars now? 200, 220. Yeah, which is about the money conversion from $80 back then. Yeah, off the shelf, right? And I just came out and I bought, I'd saved up my money

and I bought that pair of Air Jordans. And I was like, fuck yeah, man. Because kids in Australia couldn't afford them. No one had them. Too expensive. No, too expensive. So to come back with a pair of Air Jordans, that was the holy grail.

You were a kid. And so when I got older, and this is about three years ago, whenever I do something, I buy myself like a watch or something nice if I record a comedy special or I finish a TV show. You get yourself little rewards or whatever. Little celebration gifts. One of my celebration gifts I got for myself

was buying the same pair of Air Jordans that I had when I was 14. What pair was that? was the the black ones with the i try to fucking i can't remember the bloody ones but they it was the one he won championships in him right oh you're talking about the jordan sixes yeah yeah it was the pull tab in the back yeah the pull tab two holes in the in the little little ferrated holes all through the thing and then it was all circular it's like triangular stuff and i was talking to Forrest about it the other day. Yeah, the beautiful shoe. I still have it, right? And we were talking about this just the other day.

They were also dog shit proof. If you've got shoes with ridges, converse will stick in, you'll be scraping out. Those Jordans, they had those little holes that you could just spray it with a hose and the dog shit would just fall out pound for pound that's your greatest dog shit shoe that has ever been made and back then your dog with it back then that was an important thing to have now with people picking up shit give me ridges in my souls because you look at like my brother came out here to visit me over christmas and he brought the pair a pair of lebron james shoes and they had uh they have a street map of akron on the on the soul is

it akron i think it must be yeah yeah yeah so street map those things would be a fucking nightmare in dog shit you don't even want to get involved well you'd lose the map oh yeah yeah map's gone although it would look more accurate to Akron. Oh, God. Sorry, LeBron. I'll never gig there. Hello, Akron. Just to wrap up here, Addy and Rudy,

which I'm assuming is Adolf and Rudolf Dassler. Adolf Dassler started Adidas. Rudy Dassler started Puma. And I don't know if this is a fun fact, but track star Jesse Owens wore Adidas when he won four gold medals in the 1936. They were the best shoes. He was wearing German shoes. They were the best shoes.

But it doesn't mean that those two lads, because they were German, were inherently bad people. No, I know, but that's the Olympics where Jesse Owens, isn't that the Hitler Olympics? That was before the war as well. Yeah, sure. That was before the war. Right in the mix, like right before. Yeah, that was right. That was the year that Hitler was Time Magazine's man of the year here in america yeah really that didn't age well

adolf hitler two years before the war broke out was time magazine's man of the year time's like because he sorted out that germany hey they were in a complete mess before he came along. And Time Magazine, front cover. Have you guys ever seen the fun fact of what he blames his triggering point in his life was? Getting kicked out of art school. Yeah, yeah. He said getting kicked out of art school. There's a fun fact that getting kicked out of art school is where he really like.

No, no, no. You've probably had friends like this as well who fall off the cliff, conspiracy theories, this, this. The whole world's out to get me because life didn't work out for them just how they wanted. Look, everyone always goes, if you could go back in history, would you kill baby Hitler, right?

Of course I wouldn't. I would go back in history and just buy three or four paintings. I don't have to kill anyone. And history and just buy three or four paintings. Yeah. I don't have to kill anyone. And also, it would spruce up my apartment. Just build his confidence a little bit more so he doesn't just hate the entire world. Come on. They're not going to be expensive.

Yeah, but you kind of want them to kill people to make the paintings worth more. No, I would not kill baby Hitler. But toddler Hitler, he'd get it. I'm coming for you, toddler. Put it down, Hitler. Put it down. Yeah, because he'd be annoying. Yeah, he'd be with a pot and pan.

Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. One more thing is, I don't know what his original deal was, but Jordan's deal now is he gets 5%. And in 2022, the Jordan brand earned $5.122 billion. So he gets 5% of that. Yeah, I saw some stats that they expected their predictions were him for him to sell four million dollars worth of shoes and they sold a lot more than that yeah um what is the significance of the term og and sneaker culture you said

original gangster yeah that's what i mean well that's where it pulled from for sure it just means og original exactly what it means is just the original pair. So, like, if you were to have, like, an OG Jordan 3, obviously it would either be considered an OG colorway, like the black cement, the fire red, one of the original four colorways they released in 1988, or it would be that 1988 pair if you had the sole swap because some of them just fall apart now.

And this is a terminology, like, you would use with other people that have sneaker stores or people. Yeah, well, yeah well like i mean with my employees at my shoe store like i always i kind of i consider the og like our our like hero products like out of like if because now there's a thing like almost like 15 colorways of like every model now or every 10 but i tell them like hey like the original colorways the og colorways these shoes like we want to keep these in stock because it doesn't matter how old the person is what generation everybody knows this colorway you know you might you're gonna walk into my shoe store you're gonna see like a joker three and you're gonna be like i don't know what the hell this is

i'm gonna be around you'll know what the black cement three is or the fire air three the one he wore when he did the dunk contest, you know? You know what's crazy to me when I was in your store is there was a woman before me and she was selling used shoes. Yeah. That blows my mind that you can sell used sneakers. Well, you got to think about it. It's almost like now it's corresponding with the watches, how we were talking earlier. It's like, you know, you can spend $600 on a brand new pair or you can spend $400 and they won one time pair yeah so like or like slightly worn and like you obviously the

condition you know helps really helps with the pricing when I first started collecting because I didn't come from a lot of money I grew up poor as well my whole collection was just all used and I actually started buying really really beat shoes or like shoes that were like really worn that some people didn't value and then I brought them back to life and that's started buying really really beat shoes or like shoes that were like really worn that some people didn't value and then i brought them back to life and that's how i really started selling shoes all right do we have a little bit of time for me to tell a five minute story we have time all right okay because i don't know if people knew this year so my father my father who uh is a carpenter he's retired now older man he he was a carpenter and for the last sort of 10 years of his life he had his own

carpentry business and then he just he worked as he was the head maintenance man at a girl's private school in sydney and so he used to wear maintenance guy used to wear go to work in green overalls and these uh these black work boots that the the the the school gave him these work boots that the school gave him, these work boots. My dad was very good at taking care of things. So he had certain boots. He kept them clean and polished them and made sure they were nice and that type of stuff. And then he thought they kept on giving him a new pair of shoes every year

and he thought, I'll just keep collecting those. I'll wear my original shoes. And then when I'm retired, I'm going to have shoes right until I die. He's like, I'm going to always have shoes. I'm right he's like I'm going to always have shoes I'm all good right so he has these work boots right so cut to he retired 15 years ago he's in his 80s right 65 he probably retired right and um he's about 67 68 and he goes I'm gonna I'll tell you what I'm gonna do do. I'm going to treat myself. I'm going to crack open a new pair of those shoes, right? So he gets one of the boxes out like this, and he fucking opens it up. You've heard this story before, haven't you?

Yeah, I remember it now, yeah. He opens it up, and when he pulls out one of the shoes, and the glue on the sole, the heel has just come off. It's just been sitting in the warm. We didn't have air conditioning. Warm Australian sun in the back of this wardrobe, and the soles come off it's just been sitting in the wall we didn't have air conditioning yeah warm australian sun in the back of this wardrobe and the and the soles come off and so he so these shoes would be one of the only few shoes in the world that are made and manufactured in australia out in the suburbs of sydney way out in the in the boonies two hour drive from where my dad lives

right right he fucking gets in his car he's got like two of the pairs of shoes that aren't working. He drives all the way out to the factory. This is him telling the story and he still comes off weird. He goes all the way out there and he goes up to the thing and he goes, I've got these shoes and never been worn, brand new, brand new, and the bloody soles have falling off and they're like well we're so sorry sir we'll replace those shoes right away for you thank you and they open up the box and they pull it out and the soles falling off like this and they go we haven't made this shoe for

over eight years right and he goes yeah but it's new and he said it's not new we haven't made it in eight years he goes yeah but it's new to me i haven't worn it it's been sitting in my and they go sir if you had a car in a garage right and you never drove it it doesn't mean that it's a new car and he goes he goes i'll tell you what i know about fucking cars, mate. It was still bloody work. He goes, I'd still get that fucking engine to turn over. And he goes, bloody. And then he goes, fucking hell, I always tell people to buy Australian. I should have bought them off the bloody Chinese.

These are shit. My dad goes, these are fucking shit. You make goes these are fucking shit you make shit you do you make shit then the guy my dad's leaving and he told him yeah fuck off you keep your fucking shoes right he's walking out the guy chases after him out of the car park hey take your shoes with you you've forgotten your shoes right and he goes he goes, you keep them. You made them and they're fucking shit. And then the guy said, and this is a quote, you're a gay ass fucker. Now, I don't know where that came from.

This is just two old Australian blokes arguing in a car park, right? I'm not saying gay ass fucking is, I'm pro or against or anything. I'm just saying this is the quote that my father went. And then he goes, and then I looked him in the eye and I pointed at him and I went, well, you're shit and you can't get lower than shit. And he started throwing my shoes at me and I was dodging him. Pew, pew, pew.

Now, one day, Jack, on this podcast, just so we know How word perfect This story is We should call my father up And get him to retell it We can do a Two podcasts from now

Anyway That was the thing So my dad went My dad went back to a shoe store With eight year old shoes And they threw them at him In the car park That's an afternoon right there

How did it get so heated So fast Cause he called him A gay ass fucker He drove two hours Wait He drove two hours He drove, he drove two hours? He drove two...

Because that's the thing about retired people. He's got two hours. He's got time. He's got two hours. He's like, I'm going to figure this out and it's happening to me.

These are work boots. They were worth $60. Maybe. These were real... The gasoline. Yeah, yeah. The gasoline alone. Yeah, yeah.

Didn't he have like six other pairs still but those ones the soles hadn't fallen off the glue was fine I know but his final shoes

he only brought the bad ones out those ones were no good he's still wearing these fucking shoes to this day it's been 15 years later

he said he was gonna have brand new shoes for the rest of his life got them for free good work Gary what is the significance of the term dead stock

in sneaker culture you said this is you can no longer get it it's is that true um that's on the cusp of the original meaning so in the sneaker culture dead stock actually means brand new never worn but in the retail culture and where it actually came from it actually means it's dead stock so like technically in like the early 2000s they made it a sneaker culture meaning because it'd be like you pull in before the before the internet before before like all this stuff where you can buy a shoe in new york from la um you'd go into a shoe store and you'd be like yo what do you guys have stuck in the back of the stock room because they would have like you

know full-size runs of shoes and then you'd always have them on display but you couldn't if you only have like a size 9 left you can't have that on display no more because you're just gonna have people walk in all day and night can I get a tank and I get a 12 and you don't have it so they'll take that size 9 down and I'll put it in the in the stock room it'll be brand new just sitting being dead stock because it can't be sold so that's how the desktop terminology was. And then sneaker culture adapted it because basically any dead stock, you know, stock in the back of the stock room was always brand new and untouched and perfectly pristine.

The box is good. Everything's good. Now, I'm a size 10, which is quite small feet for my height, right? But I'm a size 10. And I find sometimes I go on and my size is always sold out, popular size foot 10, 10, 11, 12, 13. 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. That's your prime most people's feet, right?

Is it because sometimes when I look at like fat people, right, and I stare at them and then I put my cock away. I'm a fun guy. I was just going to say you're talking about me and then I was like, he sat back to wait to see what you were going to say.

Sometimes when I look at fat people, I think to myself, and I don't have a problem with it per se, but how, okay, and I'm, look,

I'm not, I'm a big fella, I'm a big bloke, right? If I buy a leather jacket, right? Leather jackets, leather is an expensive material. Suede leather is a bit... But the person who's an extra small versus a person who's an XXL,

they're paying the same price. Yeah. Right? Is that... Okay, so why the fuck does Shaquille O'Neal get to pay the same for a shoe that I get to pay is what I'm trying to say. I don't think Shaquille O'Neal pays the same because he wears like a size 24. Yeah, 24.

He gives them custom made. But I think they disperse the cost from the size 8 all the way to size 13. I'll tell you what, any of your little girlfriends don't pay the same size. I don't have any little girlfriends. I just have a little wife. Okay. Well, your wife doesn't. Your wife doesn't pay the same because it's size 7.

Like 7Y and younger don't pay like same because it's size seven um like seven y and younger uh-huh don't pay like you know they don't pay the size the same price as the adult pairs my my son's feet are growing it's like your son actually he's well my little girlfriend no my uh my son's my son's feet are growing at a fucking alarming speed and so it's like i've I've got a two year old as well. So now I'm like collecting all of his cool sneakers and I'm like, maybe in nine years, these are gonna be real retro, like high end ones for the next kid, who knows. What is the significance of the term bread

in sneaker culture? That came from nicknaming the Jordan shoes. So there's black and red. Yeah. So it is an acronym, but it's two words, not every letter. So it's just black and red yeah so it is an acronym but it's two words not every letter so it's just black and red so black red shoes are called breads breads yeah a lot of red ones I'm going I'm teaching this to my kid when I get home he's gonna love that uh what is this name of the term collab and sneaker culture it's like the Jim said Travis

Scott here Jordan like coll yeah yeah collaborations um when did that start like was actually uh well it kind of like corresponds one of your other questions but nike is b the skateboarding actually started the collaboration oh you can go ahead and talk about oh yeah so like nike is b when nike launched their skateboarding um section other than original collaboration where they give a uh sports player like you know his own shoe and stuff they were actually doing collaborations like they did de la souls they did the tiffany dunk with the nike tip with tiffany brand um with nick diamonds they did what else i mean mf doom you name it like nike sb actually started the collaboration culture i i

would say and that's where it really like where they were just actually remember those de la souls now right well i mean if you think about it before a collaboration was kind of like giving a sports player like hey we want you to wear this shoe or we're gonna make this your signature shoe yeah nike sb was kind of like hey this is the nike dunk this isn't your shoe but we're gonna make your own colorway of it yeah so they did like i mean there was so much controversy around it because they did a freddy krueger one that universal wasn't happy with and they had to like burn those all up and only a couple of them are like surviving right now and go for a lot of money those are the ones you want yeah i had some i had some uh kurt cobain converse

now yeah is that thing yeah yeah still got him yeah yeah they had they had they had they had his they had they were almost denim and they had his uh his signature um stitched into the heel and as they got older and more holy they because because converse if you watch like um fucking uh trains planes notplanes and automobiles trainspotting right it's a real junky shoe

you know what I mean there's something about Converse is they get more ratty and more tear when I used to skateboard

I would use Converse actually even though I like Vans and you would like them to be worn down like get a hole

in the side because it was like for some reason that would help you grip on all these more in my brain I think I don't think that's a real hole i would skateboard so much i get holes in this in the soles and the sides of well the last time i work on it's like you said once you get comfortable with a shoe it doesn't matter sometimes how it gets you're like

this is my shoe this is this is how i perform the best in that shoe that shoe i pulled it once and the lace just snapped off dunk and so i tied that and it's got a knot in it just like right here and I still keep those laces in because it makes them look more run down. I'm going to wear Kurt Cobain Converse next podcast. Yeah. Cool. I got you some that in hindsight you might not like. Remember I got you those Clippers ones.

Yeah, I got those. Yeah, yeah. I forgot I had those, I got those. Yeah, yeah. I forgot I had those. I got those ones. So, Collab. I guess we can talk about some of these. We'll not skip ahead. What does Quick Strike mean? Hyper Strike?

Jim said Quick Strike. Very limited reason. Hyper Strike is big release. I've got them. So, Quick Strike and Hyper Strike originally came from like, one, they used to never limited reason hyper strike is big release uh i'm gonna yeah so quick strike and hyper strike originally came from like one they used to never well it was like it was leveled in tiers so like a lot of these shoe stores were in tier zero tier one tier two tier three like tier three have like the jordans that everybody gets the team jordans tier one and tier zero have like the most rare sought out and then so hyper strikes and quick strike originally before the internet was invented because they wouldn't even announce those

they were just quick strikes and hyper strikes and they were like way more limited and nike would just send them over to like you know any of these really like super famous shoe stores that only have like one location not the full locker they'd go to that street store it wouldn't be at a mall and the same thing goes back to nike sb's nike sb's were like like for example the water dunks they were like such a hyper strike that nobody even knew they were dropped not even people at active like i was able to get a pair like you just walked in they were like these came in today and i guess we're selling them oh like nobody yeah until you get it nobody knew the hyper strike is even more limited than Quickstrike? Yeah, Hyperstrike was like, Boom!

This store, like, it'd be like 10 in the morning, the store would be like, Hey, these just came in, and you just, like, rush your way over there, especially before the internet. And then, of course, once they started doing the vlogs and people used to be announcing them more, then you started doing the campouts. That must be good to be, like, a size 16, though, in that situation.

They might not make them. They don't make those in those size it'd be good i mean not even no because like realistically say if a store has like 18 pairs they're only making one size 13 pairs yeah they get 18 pairs yeah i've camped out before i was like i was number 18 and the guy behind me is like bawling out crying i always i always when you get like, like, so, so when you, when you, when you have a baby, right, you can buy,

buy baby's little shoes. So before my son could walk, he had a pair of Kyrie Irving's Nikes. Like, it's like the guy can't jump and it's got like air in the soul. I remember my mom got him some, some campers. Yeah.

Like, and I was like, well, he'll be done with these in three weeks. Yeah, yeah, but they're cute, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In 1987, what sneaker brand released the first ever basketball shoe with a visible air unit in the midsole? You said Nike Air. I mean, that's obvious.

That's correct. What sneaker model is often referred to as a dad shoe? Is it New Balance? I think it's an actual. Well, it's not really a sneaker model no more now. It's more so just actually the silhouette. So now the dad shoes are being made by every brand. Silhouette.

The silhouette. So like the Yeezy 700, like the real bulky, like. I don't know what silhouette means or what. Silhouette is like the shape of the shoe or the shape of something. Like, you know, the silhouette, like the shape of something. Yeah. So I would say like the more bulkier or like the more like, you know, the dad shoe, the dad shoe is like the runner shoe. But isn't like for the professional runner just bulky like you want to go get groceries in pick up the kids from soccer what these no no no no

no it's a running shoe yeah that's like a full-on running shoe a dad shoe I run a lot as you know you know I'm a big runner yes these are comfortable yeah kind West he made a dad shoe that was pretty popular, the Yeezy 700. That one's really bulky. So that was like considered a dad shoe. I think that's the most overrated. That one actually started the dad shoe craze. But people love them.

People love them. But it's not great. Oh, yeah. Those are Yeezy's. Yeah, that started the dad shoe craze. It was like Yeezy 700. See, that's like a- And then from there, people started like exploring around like Sockinys and New Balances and

A6. And right now, dad shoes is real, real big. I mean, Drake's... Yeezy 700, $210. Even Drake's Noctas. Yeah, even Drake's Noctas are kind of like a representation of the dad shoe now. And what did you want to say about Yeezy's when Jim was going on about him? Because he was talking about Kanye West's shoe.

Oh, I was trying to figure out if they were the Yeezy 350s that he was talking about. They're too chunky. We were trying to figure out which one he was. They all look like they should be on Baby Spice at 1998. But the 350s are like a sock with a comfortable boost sole. So I don't know if that was the one he was talking about because those aren't that bulky. But there's also like the Yeezy 750s that are just boots. Now, have with the...

These are Yeezys. Yeah, ugly. Ugly shoe. Have you ever tried a pair? Aren't you Jewish? Why are you still supporting this guy? What does this fucking guy have to... What does this guy have to fucking do

before we write these shoes off? He apologised. Has he? Yeah, he did. He said he saw Jonah Hill in a movie and thought he was hilarious. Yeah, Jonah Hill in a movie and thought he was hilarious yeah Jonah Hill turned him he actually

he actually no he actually just actually just went on a rant saying that any Adidas Yeezy released right now

is a fake Yeezy because because they're suing him and he's no longer with them that them using his silhouette it's not I mean it's an Adidas Yeezy

they're all fake. They're not easy. You don't have to do this if it makes it hard for your business or whatever. What's the most overrated brand? What's your favorite brand? What's your least favorite brand? Least favorite brand? Of the popular brands that people like.

I would say not more so the brand. My least favorite is like the silhouettes. that people like? I would say not more so the brand. My least favorite is like the silhouettes. So like, I love a Jordan 1,

but the abundance and the obsession behind it in the sneaker culture, I wasn't a fan of. And the same thing with the Yeezy, like,

or the NMDs. I hated that wave because I knew it wasn't going to last. It's NMD. It's an Adidas NMD. That was the first shoe that Kanye West wore

before he released the Yeezys. And you know, NMD that was the first shoe that Kanye West wore before he released the Yeezys and you know his influence at that time was so heavy that people were like reselling so if you were to go

to like these sneaker like events and these sneaker like where like the flea market where people every table was like filled with them

and to me it's like that's my biggest thing is like it's more so I'm not a fan of the silhouette that all these other like all these other resellers like follow this wave to where the whole sneaker wall becomes.

My shoe store is a sneaker store. We sell everything. And we sell shoes. We're sneaker heads. We love. I sell the same way I collect. It's just once that silhouette becomes the wave and now that's like all of a sudden this $60 NMD or $80 NMD is a $300 shoe. And then six months later, nobody wants it ever again.

So it's like it really becomes this worthless stock for no reason like the easiest right now nobody wants them but at one point in time they were like $2,000 a pair and now we sell them at $350 so Puma are the worst yeah which sneaker brand this is a Puma okay which sneaker brand collaborated with fashion designer Virgil Abloh to create the 10 collection? He said Skechers. I think that's wrong, right? Yeah, it's Nike. Nike.

Off-whites. It's off-white. Oh, off-whites. Off-whites. You know about those, Joe? That's his brand or was his brand, maybe. Isn't that the one that has the tag? You have to have the tag.

Yeah, it has the white. You keep the tag. Oh, yeah. The Coach of the Dolphins was right about that. I got some white ones Noise cancellation ones Or something They're like completely It's ones But it's all white

Everything's white What are those called The noise something or others They were cool But they're a little bit uncomfortable I think I did a special We'll see that See Jim

These are off whites That red tag You keep that on the shoe Yeah fuck that I'm not keeping it $2,200 When I first came to America There was people keeping

Fucking tags on their hats It's one thing They had to stick people keeping fucking tags on their hats. It's one thing to have the stick of it tags. But this way it shows you. This way from far away, people can say it's the Off-White. That way they know. Because the coach of the Dolphins, I don't know if you know,

he had Off-Whites that he wore for three games in a row, but you could see the tag on the side. You can see the tag on it, yeah. It's kind of like a signifier. It's like a status thing. No, I know. It's a bit of fun. If you're in the know, you're in the know. What sneaker brand is known for its collaboration with Japanese fashion label Como de Garcon? I was surprised you didn a bit of fun. If you're in the know, you're in the know. What sneaker brand is known for its collaboration

with Japanese fashion label Como de Garcon? I was surprised you didn't get this one. Really surprised you didn't get that one. Yeah, what is it? It's Converse. Have you seen those Chuck Taylors with the little heart on the side? Oh, Amos.

Where is the one with that? I'm surprised you don't have a pair. I bought about four pairs of John Vervatus Converse. It was the one that said All-Star on the base. And then they brought it. There was one that he brought up weapons with zips on the side. And then a pair of weapons that was like snake skin. That I really liked.

But that was the only. I'm a fan of the Converse. I didn't get those either. A lot of Everyone wore it. A lot of people wore it. Those are huge. Those are huge. It brought Converse back into the high fashion scene.

And then I think at the same time, that's when Nike acquired Converse. You won't get them because Amos has them. Correct. Yeah, yeah. A friend. A good friend of mine. I mean, we're friends with him, but he's not going to wear them together because he'll wear them on stage.

The only thing that me and Amos share are HIV. Wow. What sneaker model became a cultural icon after being featured in the film? I make jokes, people. I'm a joke maker. Oh. Back to the Future 2. We don't share.

He has it. I'm fine. And Back to the Future 2, the shoes that they laced up themselves. Nike Air Mags. Air Mags? Yeah, Nike Air Mags. so they did two releases for them they actually released so in the movie he was in 2015 yeah that's where he went and they brought the shoes they brought him out 2015 um they did an auction for them out of ebay to donate to his charity and then they re-released them i don't

know the year i think it's 2021 or 2020 maybe even 2018 one of those years they re-released them i don't know the year i think it's 2021 or 2020 maybe even 2018 one of those years they re-released them again with the self-tie-in option look look you gotta charge them the risk of being palace is market chai fucks needs those shoes man or you can use velcro yeah yeah but it's not as cool. So you have to charge them. So you charge them. They did a whole entire... Actually, so then when they re-released those, they used them as a campaign to release their technology-based...

They released running shoes like that, basketball. They even released a pair of Jordans where all of them were the self-tying, the dabs. They're like Nike basketball dab, Jordan 11 dab. So you just put them in. And then you just use a button and go zip, zip, zip. Which I wrote exactly like the movie. I thought they were a good looking shoe as well.

I love the Air Mags. One of my good friends, Bryson Tiller, he just got a pair and he wears them on tour. Vans was the, we already talked about that, the skateboarding. Oh, the most expensive sneaker ever sold. Oh, was Vans the right answer? Yeah. I think we had mentioned, maybe we didn't, but that was. What is the most expensive sneaker ever sold. Oh, was Vans the right answer? Vans was the right answer. Yeah, Vans, yeah. I think we had mentioned.

Oh, maybe we didn't, but that was. What is the most expensive sneaker ever sold? He said an original Air Jordan 1 that maybe MJ wore. When you said black and red, I thought you were going to get bread, but you didn't. $2 million is what he said. What's the most? I would say yes and no.

So for sure, the most expensive shoe ever sold would be like any auction some of the auctioned off Jordans and then there's a shoe actually above it Kanye West a sample Yeezy actually was acquired by somebody trying to launch a stock company to where you buy stocks into these collective shoes like you just like you know he buys it he sold the shoe for eight million dollars oh my god eight million dollars don't get this though that same exact shoe just resold again for like i think 220 000 right so who took a bath of that man bad he took a bad loss in that that one but i would say like yeah so that's like that was the most expensive shoe that i know that's ever been auctioned off i think i might have messed

you up on the dinner but was that the dinner part thing? No, no, no. He's good stuff. Yeah, one of the most expensive ongoing solidified price shoe would be the Nike SB Paris Dunks. So they did a special release where they did London. Was it London, Tokyo, Paris, and New York Pigeons? That's when they were going crazy and killing people in the streets. The Paris Dunk is only 150 pairs of shoes and they actually had an artist make entire art piece and they cut the canvas up and put

it on 150 pairs of the shoes and sold 150 pairs what's much better you know two pairs are exactly the same because it's just one giant art piece canvas that was head and they cut it up and put it each a different piece of the shoe and they released it only in Paris 150 pairs that's the most ongoing solidified most expensive shoe for like it's always at that price it's always 150 000 there's no story there's no like oh i bought this one shoe on an auction wherever you find the shoe it's over 100k doesn't matter where you find it is there ever been a shoe that had a big launch and then just tanked like Like any business,

there's ones that everyone thought this is like going to be the shoe. Maybe like the, was it Laval Ball? He brought out his own shoes. Laval or the Balls? The Big Baller brand. Big Baller brand.

What happened to Big Baller? Well, I think it went down when the brothers... Oh, it doesn't exist anymore? No. I mean, I think this thing still exists. Well, only one of the brothers... Oh, it doesn't exist anymore? No. I mean, I think it still exists. Well, only one of the brothers is really good. I mean, one's okay, one's not an NBA player,

and one's a really good NBA player. One should be playing in China. One's really good, and the one never made the league. Yeah, LaMelo's the best. Well, he can go play in Australia. LaMelo, I think it went down when LaMelo, everybody knew he was going to be the best player, and then he was like, I'm not dealing with Bill Ballerbrand at all.

And then the older brother that was in the league was playing with them and the shoe fell apart in the middle of the game on the Lakers court. There's a guy. So the one that played for the Lakers isn't the best player? No, no, no. No, the guy, he's a Charlotte. He plays for the Hornets. Yeah, because the other one was the first draft.

Yeah, but they finessed that. He plays on the Hornets. I think he's other one was the first draft. Yeah, but they finessed that. He plays on the Hornets. I think he's injured on the mellow ball, but he's excellent. He's very good. He's a top tier NBA player. Who was the one who shot lifted in China? That's the one that didn't make the league. That's the one that needed the shot lift.

Needed to get bread to feed his family. Isn't there a Clipper that has his own brand? God. There was a couple of them, like Stoudemire. Powell, maybe? need to get bread to Fadi's family isn't there a Clipper that has his own brand god there's a couple of them like Stardemeyer Powell maybe he tried doing that too not Norman Powell

god damn it oh no Spencer Dinwiddie does he have his own brand yeah I looked through I mean Starbury he

what's his name Starbury he started his own his own brand and he was trying to sell like $20 shoes I don't know what his name is but and. He started his own brand. And he was trying to sell like $20 shoes. I don't know what his name is.

And that didn't go out. Stephan Marbury. Stephan Marbury. Stephan Marbury. My son, we were watching Clippers game the other day. And he's like this. He goes, oh, Zubac. He's wearing the Hardens.

And Hardens is wearing the Hardens. Yeah. Right? So he's wearing the Hardens next to Harden. Yeah. And he goes, and then. Zubac's not getting his own line. And Terrence Mann. He goes, Terrence Mann's wearing sketches, dad.

So do you guys know about the Adidas curse? No. So there's, in the sneaker world, there's something called like an Adidas curse. So it could be because every time a player signs with Adidas, Tracy McGrady, Derek Rose, James Harden. Once they sign with them, ever since Kobe left Adidas and went to Nike, once they sign with them, their career just goes bam. Wow.

So it's kind of like an Adidas curse. Han for his age is playing great basketball. He might win with the Clippers this year. I don't know. The Celtics are very good, but the Clippers have a good team, so we'll see. But yeah, there was always like the Adidas curse. Once you sign with Adidas, that's it.

You go from being the superstar to nobody. It looks like Wes Brooks out for the season. Oh, yeah? Yeah, he broke his hand. Damn. All right, this is a part of the show called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our expert to give us some fact, obscure, interesting about the subject that can use to impress people.

What do you got, Michelangelo? Okay, so this is actually one of my favorite sneaker stories of all time because I used to work for Nike. And it's hilarious. So those exact same Nike SB shoes I was telling you about, the Nike SB Parasys. So those Parasys, they were like world famous. They were world famous. And, of course, Nike has like I think probably five, probably less now. But at the time, probably like five or ten pairs in their vaults that they kept.

They were doing an actual display of nike sb like all the culture and this is us and they had that shoe on display in nike paris and i don't know if it is paris don't quote me on that exact city but it's out of nike store but you can find the receipt online and it's in display and you know it's in it's in there like hey this is just for the the build-out nobody touches you the shoe. Brand new employee. First day on the job. Some customer walks in and goes, hey, are you guys selling those shoes? That looks like my size.

And the guy's like, I think so. Let me see. Goes to the back. Grabs the box. Packages it up. Takes it out of the glass case. Sells it to the customer. And the shoe at this time is I think like five

or ten years old so you know the system's automatic so the shoes discounted now oh so the guy buys the shoe for like $33 at the time the shoes already worth $25,000 mmm walks out hands-free with a receipt straight from Nike buying a shoe five years later I'll be resold it he's just walking around in them hey 33 bucks oh no I think you know he knew it was like at the time there was something called um Nike there was a Nike SB forum and why were they in the register though why were they in this they had sold at one point at one point they still like the

barcode still worked you know the register their systems are like automatic you know right they don't zero them out yeah it's just i'm sure they fixed it by now yeah i'm sure they fixed it by now we're like hey this is a display item yeah yeah yeah well michelangelo falcone thanks for being here if you're in la go to his store equivalents it's a really cool sneaker and clothing store on ventura in la and cno yeah uh boba and tings which is also it's a boba tea and collectible store and um this new product is new right the quick cleaning yep i i was using crap to clean my sneakers so i'm so glad you brought that i was using like the eraser thing and then i have a cloth like i actually need the real stuff so if you need to clean your sneakers quickcleaning.com thanks for bringing this here and uh yeah thanks

for my son's gonna love that cleaner man he is because if he he play he plays the game and he's like my shoes a bit scuffed up he thinks they're gonna fucking look the same all the time and you get to wear them all the time so this is going going to good use. Mate, I could do a fucking full-time podcast on shoes. You just do an episode on shoes. I bet you there's fucking 100 podcasts on shoes, right? Probably. I don't know. I have no clue. Probably.

But if there's a hole in that bag. You want to switch this into a shoe podcast? We could do a shoe podcast. We could do an add-on shoe podcast. Maybe a personal guest. Yeah, man. And can I get your number? Yeah, of course.

Yeah. Plug your store again. Where is it? a personal guest yeah man and I'm gonna can I get your number yeah of course yeah where's parking store again where is it in Encino on Ventura Boulevard 18007 Ventura Boulevard it's called Equivalence

it's like right there minus the I Equivalence minus the I I live just up the fucking road man I'm coming to see ya no bullshit I'm coming to see ya take my number down

I'm gonna bring my boy down and we'll have a look yeah ladies and gentlemen thank you so much for listening to the podcast. If you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and goes, that shoe in the glass case there, that's my size.

I was wondering if I can purchase it. Go, I don't know about that. Walk away. Good night, Australia.