I Don't Know About That - The Mafia

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

Aiden Gabor is a former associate of a notorious crime family, who, found his way back to the side of justice. Approached by the DOJ with a daunting ultimatum— face life imprisonment for crimes including racketeering, embezzlement, extortion, and conspiracy to commit murder—he chose to become a confidential informant. For over a decade, Aiden worked undercover, risking his life to help the DOJ arrest and convict over a dozen high-ranking police officers and politicians. His gripping memoir, Conflicting Loyalties, offers an unflinching look into his life as a Mafia enforcer and a DOJ informant. IG: @conflictingloyaltiesbook X: @gaboraiden FB: Conflicting Loyalties Buy Aiden's book "Conflicting Loyalties" on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Conflicting-Loyalties-Enforcer-Turned-Informant/dp/1510779671 IDKAT Live Show on June 25th at Flappers: https://www.flapperscomedy.com/shows/jim-jefferies-podcast/69873/ ADS: BETTERHELP: Visit http://www.BetterHelp.com/IDK today to get 10% off your first month. CHAPTERS: 0:00 — Ads 0:23 — Theme Song 10:37 — Judging a Book by It’s Cover 12:28— Aiden Gabor Introduction 14:29 — Questions 19:55 -- Jim's 5 families 22:27 -- Grading 22:58 -- Gangers like New York 23:30 -- Answers 26:47 -- "How many bones have you broken?" 28:13 — Ads 35:00 -- "I was diagnosed with no empathy" 45:55 -- What's the deal with protection? 56:00 -- Mafia Inclusion 1:12:00 — Dinner Party Fact Follow Us: Jim Jefferies Website: https://www.jimjefferies.com IG: https://www.instagram.com/jimjefferies FB: https://www.facebook.com/JimJefferies Twitter: https://twitter.com/jimjefferies   Forrest Shaw Website: http://www.forrestshaw.net IG: https://www.instagram.com/forrestshaw Twitter: https://twitter.com/forrestshaw   Jack Hackett IG: https://www.instagram.com/Jack_hackett The Doohickeys: https://www.instagram.com/the.doohickeys

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Tiny Tim. Big Tim. Who wrote the tulips thing? Probably the big one, tiny one. What was he all about, Tiny Tim? It was Big Tim. Who the fuck listened to Tiny Tim And how did he ever have a hit?

Okay hi it's Jim Jefferies Welcome to the podcast But Tiny Tim How did Tiny Tim Like a guy A fat cunt with a ukulele Going tip to And he fucking

Everyone knows that Tiny Tim did that Who bought the album? I didn't know that was Tiny Tim knows that Tiny Tim did that. Who bought the album? I didn't know that was Tiny Tim. Tiny Tim is the Johnny Cash of ukuleles, my friend. Now you're thinking of Tiny Tim from the story? Scrooge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a guy.

He's not called Tiny Tim. Is he the one of Scrooge? I don't know, but there's a- Is he called Tiny Tim? His real name is- All right, Tiny Tim is in Scrooge, so I know that Tiny Tim. Tiny Tim the musician. I use that's just Tim. Is he called Tiny Tim? His real name is... All right, Tiny Tim isn't screwed, so I know that Tiny Tim. Tiny Tim the musician. I use that in air quotes.

Known as Herbert Buckingham Cowrie. That's his real name. Professionally known as Tiny Tim. There's only been Tim in that name. Yeah, why would I like to be called Herbert Cowrie? Yeah, he is known for his 1968 hit song, Tiptoe Through the Tulips. Yeah, which I think is a a cover or did he write the song i don't i'm clicking on it now he's known for his falsetto range yeah i guess it is a popular song

published in 1929 yeah yeah it's a cover yeah and he just went like that and he had a hit with it could you imagine and it wasn't he wasn't even a comedy act yeah he was known because of his range, his vocal range, in particular, far-reaching falsetto. Fucking the Bee Gees would have done a better fucking version of that. Yeah, with three-piece harmony. It was really nice. He was known as the singing canary.

Yeah. He was one of those guys. Wait, no. He performed on the singing canary. He was one of those guys that when I was a kid, they always wheeled him out on TV shows. Is Tiny Tim dead? Yes.

Oh, good. How did you know that so quickly? Oh, because it was a pivotal moment. I saw him on every talk show and Pee Wee and yeah. Yeah, he was always on everything. Yeah, he would be perfect for Pee Wee. By the way, Pee Wee Herman's house was for sale. Five million.

The wacky one. No, no, no. With all the furniture that talked to you. for sale 5 million the wacky one nah with all the furniture in the hills I think it's pretty wacky still but it's in the hills oh you're talking about the actor's house yeah yeah

Paul Reubens yeah Paul Reubens house yeah yeah not Pee Wee's fun house is it bizarre because you had me at Pee Wee's fun house and I went sold

it's wait wait wait wait wait maybe it is for sale yeah yeah Pee Wee's herman's real life playhouse yeah okay real life they're bloody yeah for 4.9 million dollars uh and it's supposed to it's supposed to be a little bit wacky though it looks nice so i at auction i bought a i bought a i sold

something at auction recently one of my possessions which no one's business but okay and then but i bought something really cool also no one's business. Okay. But I bought something really cool. Also no one's business. Yeah, but I'm going to tell you anyway. Okay. It's a knife. I bought a cool knife. You bought a knife?

Yeah, I bought a cool knife. Like a pocket knife or like a- Like a little hunting knife. What's so special about this knife? It's Elvis's knife. That's what I asked him. I go, Elvis known for knives. Yeah, he likes guns though.

He's a knife guy? And it comes in a sheaf with like EP and a hound dog embroidered into it. It was Elvis's knife, right? You know, he used to- Is this what he cut the peanut butter sandwiches with? No, it's a hunting knife. I don't know what he's hunting. What is he hunting?

Priscilla. I don't know. Pussy. Right, yeah, yeah. But anyway, it was Elvis's elvis and my wife goes what are you doing bringing a knife into the house we have children and i pointed at the knife block in the kitchen i've never heard of anyone being like i don't know she thought it because it's more of a weapon yeah but it's like we have ones with japanese steel that's good steel that's the

best stuff that's the best stuff you should know you're a quarter steel right i'm a quarter steel i'll cut you be careful that's why you can wear a t-shirt called wongs well i've always looked at you in your wongs t-shirt and thought i could never get away with it what what is wongs it's uh uh cory wong he's a guitarist so he's he sold merch that made it just look like it was a pizza restaurant oh so that was pretty cool i think it is cool ever since you've worn that t-shirt i always look around for like that pizza place that's why i got it because it looks like a pizza place um your next dates do you know when they are um for a while not for a while i'm about about to go up to Australia to do some dates.

Those are your next dates, Australia. Yeah, Australia. So I'm having a bit of time off to, I'm working on a book and some other things. So I'm, and also it's school holidays. I want to spend school holidays with my kids and do some fun things.

But then I'm off, we're going to film more of the 1% Club in Australia. 1%. And I went, and then we're going to do two. Have you watched any of the American ones? I watched one of the episodes of the american one and i got to the 25 or 20 percent question or something like that i got pretty far is it pat and enjoying it do you think

um he's he's does a different job than me yeah he's like he's saying oswald's host yeah he stands behind the podium and actually acts like a game show host and reads the questions properly. And I just sort of wander around. And he's got – he's like – so I always lead in with like this. I'm like, what's your name? Where are you from? What do you do? Right?

I get to give a bit of that. And I try to lead them. If I get – I never know what they're going to answer, but I know that I get sometimes little prompts, like ask them about their hobbies or ask them if they do any charity work or something. Leading questions, you know what I mean? So, like, even with late night show hosts, they know what they're going to ask.

And some of them, and I won't say who, because I don't want to blow anyone's cover, some of them know exactly out of the four or five main people, and I've done four out of those five shows, some of them know exactly what you're going to say and they're ready to have a chat with you about that and they're sort of prepared. Some of them know what questions to ask you

and they know a story's coming that's a long story or a short story. They're the two options. And I take the second option on the 1% Club. I don't want to know anything about anybody and then I'll talk to them and then I feel like I'm on the 1% Club. I don't want to know anything about anybody. And then I'll talk to them. And then, you know, I feel like I'm more engaged in the conversation. But Patton does it with, he goes like this.

He goes, so, Jenny from Albuquerque, you have a frog collection. Tell me all about it. Like he just goes straight in. Which I think saves a lot of time. I think it does, yeah. It does save a lot of time. I think it does, yeah. It does save a lot of time. But I do it different. I think that's the more the game show way.

It's Alex Trebek that would always do that, yeah. Yeah, Alex Trebek. You're into skiing. But also, I find that sometimes I'll get something out of him that wasn't on the sheet of cardboard if I just start talking to him, where otherwise I'll just find out about the frog collection. Yeah, yeah yeah that's my theory true that but uh it was fun because i i've never watched the show back before and i

played along with my family my son that type of stuff and we played the one percent club and we did all right yeah that's cool between the three of us my wife my son and me we got all the questions right between the three of us but that's not how the game's played um so you have a bunch of dates in australia if you're in australia don't just think that jim is coming to just the major cities he's going everywhere i'll be in geelong geelong hindmarsh i guess that's that's adelaide right yeah yeah i know that because amos and uh mount claremont uh newcastle woolagong canberra canber Wollongong. Canberra. Canberra. Canberra added a show in Canberra.

Townsville. You love Townsville. You always love a Townsville trip. And then I love Townsville. When I tell people I've been to Townsville, Australia, everyone's like, what? I'm going to see how I'll make Charlie Crossley. Yeah, Charlie.

We love him. And then you got a bunch of dates in September, starting in Septemberember uh starting in september with jimmy carr in canada and some dates with mark norman and dan soda yeah big dates check those out the three of his three headline act yeah and then me and jimmy carr off uh to do canada go to jimjeffries.com there's tons of dates and there's gonna be loads of american dates added for what's next year, 2025? 2025. I'm forgetting what year it is.

I forget how old I am regularly. Yeah, I forget what year it is all the time. I have dates. Go to foreshaw.net. Thank you to people that came out to, in Vegas to see me. There was people that came out

to see me in Vegas. Everybody, Patrick, you know, that's all the gigs with the bucket hat. Yeah, yeah.

He brought people and a lot of other people came out too and also I never thanked everybody in Australia people came out to the factory theater and they came out to I know it's been

a couple weeks now but thank you so much and also to the comics lounge people flew from everywhere around thank you guys so much for coming out to Australia

we've been watching edits of the TV show I just saw Forrest's version of the TV show fun times we recorded some stand-up in Australia. I've got a big burn-up that won't kick. June 25th, we do have another live podcast at Flappers.

Do we? Yeah, we do. You said you want to do a lot of them. I like them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have another one. We'll get ahead of the advertising on this one. Yeah, yeah.

And so if you're in the LA area, come out June 25th. We had a really fun last one we had Daniel Van Kirk on he was awesome as our guest last time doing Frank Sinatra and we really enjoyed that

so you got several weeks now to buy tickets to Flappers on June 25th at 8pm and then IDCat Podcast on Instagram and I think merch is coming we say that every episode

it's slowly but surely it's a slow process for what's happening getting designed I'm getting merch for the Australian tour as well there's going to be. I'm getting merch for the Australian tour as well. There's going to be a whole lot of merch for the Australian tour. It's going to be great. I'm making a shirt with pizza on it.

My name. It's a good idea. I'm stealing it. The Doohickey single Reigning in Cowboy comes out June 28th. Get ready. What's the single? Reigning in Cowboy. Reigning in Cowboy. Reign it in. Not reining in. Reign it in. And you'll be at my show June 19th. That's right. At the improv. Maybe Jim will be. Reign it in. And you'll be at my show June 19th. That's right. At the improv.

Maybe Jim will be. I don't know. I'm having a month off. Who knows? I'm having a sabbatical. Now let's meet our guest, Aidan Gabor. G'day, Aidan. Now it's time to play.

Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Judging a book by its cover. King. Okay, so Aidan's... That's the picture.

We just have a picture of someone sitting on a bench in front of what looks like Gotham City. And also, Aidan's voice sounds like he's in the Witness Protection Program. You can ask him. Are you in the witness protection program, Aidan? No, sir, I'm not. And is that your... He's not.

Is that your real name, Aidan? Is this your real name? No, it is not. Do I personally know you? Is this why you have been... No, I believe we've never met. I don't think you're going to see this pretty much.

Right. I'm glad we haven't met. You sound terrified. Okay. Is it got to do... If it's a picture, I think... Is it got to do with superheroes? No. Oh, okay.

Is it got to do with crime? Yes. It says, yes, a lot to do with crime? Yes, it has, yes. A lot to do with crime. A lot to do with crime. Are you a cop? Yes and no. Yes and no? Yeah.

I think that's a proper answer for him. I know. Oh, so he's an informant. Are you an informant? Yes and no. who's asking yeah you're right there all right is it the witness protection program no we're talking about something we're talking about a subject why would you be in the witness protection program murder oh uh the mob there you go the mob the mob mafia however you want to say it uh

we're talking to aiden gabor today aiden gabor is a former associate of a notorious crime family and he found his way back to the side of justice approached by the department of justice with a daunting ultimatum facing life imprisonment for crimes including racketeering embezzlement extortion and conspiracy to commit murder he chose to become a confidential informant for over a decade aiden worked undercover risking his life to help the doj arrest and convict over a dozen high-ranking police officers and politicians his gripping memoir conflicting loyalties offers an unflinching look into his life as a mafia enforcer and a doj informant you can find, his book is available on Amazon, Conflicting Loyalties, and you can find him on social media, Instagram, at Conflicting Loyalties Book,

or Conflicting Loyalties is a Facebook page as well, and then on Twitter, X, at Gabor Aiden. That's G-A-B-O-R-A-I-D-E-N. Thanks for being here, Aiden. Thank you so much for having me on. It's an honor to be on. right so you're we're talking to donnie brasco man i know i've watched the movies i know what's going on ask me any question i'm good to go um okay yeah so what i'm gonna unless you uh well we can ask you we'll talk to you

a little bit more about your like as we answer these questions like we can get into like you know your whole story and stuff, Aiden. But what I'm going to do first is I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about the mob here. And at the end of him answering them, you're going to grade his accuracy 0 through 10. 10 is the best. And then Jack here is going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on how hungry I am. So we'll add all those scores together.

21 through 30, if you get that, I'll make him an offer. He can't refuse. You know that one. Then 11 through 20. I'll make him an offer that's negotiable. Zero through 10. He's going to say no immediately to this offer. Why wouldn't I be a maid man?

You could. And then a cleaning man. Look, I'm happy that Jack is helping me do these, but you don't have to always, you know, these were Jack's throwing you under the bus. But I like things. Thanks, man. I didn't know Thanks, man.

I think you did a good job. I didn't know Jack did it. First question, what is the origin of the term mafia? Oh, that's a good question. Why is they called mafia? It would come from an Italian word. Sure. word sure um mafioso which is uh italian for family explain the structure of a typical mafia family well you have the godfather or the top bloke right um then you have the made men underneath these are the good fellas yeah right these are the guys who you

can't go against the made man if you go against the madman you're in a lot of trouble right they've been anointed from the up from the top yeah and then there'd be you know underlings underneath that sort of a trying to get up to the next position I reckon there'd be maybe six or seven what are the names of all these things six or seven there layers. There's names of, there's titles. Oh, Made Men, Godfather. Then you'd have Unmade Men. And then just Maids.

Maids, cleaning up after them. What is the significance of the Code of Silence? It's also known Omerta in Mafia culture. I might be pronouncing that wrong. If you talk, you sleep with the fishes, you dumb cunt. Although I think they need a lot more cunt in their sayings with all their tough guy stuff. I've never seen one Mafia guy say the word cunt. I really think they need to work on that.

Is there an Australian mob? Okay, there's a great movie. My favorite depiction of the Australian mobs are mostly made up of biker gangs, right? So you have biker gangs. They run all the drugs and they run all the nightclubs and stuff like that. And if you're selling drugs in their nightclub,

to the extent that they put out an advert in the paper saying, if you cut fentanyl into our products, we're coming to get you. So fentanyl hasn't hit Australia for that very reason because the gangs have actually kept it. So our guys are all white blokes with mullets in denim jackets, right? But then there's also these other sort of mid-range ones. And there's probably Heath Ledger's last movie

before he went to Hollywood was called Two Hands. And Brian Brown, who incidentally I wanted to play my father in a sitcom, but he would only do two episodes. And I go, we can't kill off a sitcom character after two episodes, Brian. But Brian Brown plays a mafia boss. And it's always funny because the Australian mafia guys are always wearing thongs, flip-flops, and little shorts.

And they're like, fucking, what's that fucking idiot up to? I'm going to fucking cut that cunt's throat. It's just a lot more fun. All right. What I i'm saying and there isn't there's no suits there's no but the the structure remains the same all right what was the purpose of the commission established by the american mafia um i think that was i'm gonna say that's the unionization of the mafia where they all sort of agree not to step on each other's toes and that everything has to go through the the five families or whatever through the head of the family and they they can they can sit down and agree and break bread and all that shit what does made man mean you said it but what is it made man means that you have

actually been sworn into the family you are part of the family and you were untouchable now that you you can work with you know the only people who can really go after you is people within the family who are higher ranking than you and there's you know but it's it takes a lot it's like getting tenure as a professor what was the uh okay what was what was the outcome of the infamous valentine valentine's day masker like what do you know about it it happened in new york What was the outcome of the infamous Valentine's Day massacre? What do you know about it? It happened in New York. There was a whole lot of people that were shot dead in a restaurant.

And I don't really know why. I've seen a documentary on it, but it's been a very long time. But a whole lot of people died. They were probably going after... Who's that guy that I think was involved with it? Lucky Luciana, I'll say he was involved. Okay. How did the FBI eventually manage to infiltrate and dismantle major mafia families?

Through informants and stuff like that. So, you know, like they tried to get them. Al Capone got done for, and that wasn't the thing that was in, but Al Capone got done for tax evasion. You just have to find things. It's the same as Trump. No one gives a fuck that Trump got hush money. That's not the big problem. People just don't like Trump.

I think, this is my theory on the whole Trump thing, that Stormy Daniels should have to pay that money back. Because he didn't hush. You've got to hush. If you take the money, I want you didn't hush you gotta hush if you take the money i want to see the hush right i i look i think trump did something wrong i've said some jokes but you gotta hush what role did las vegas play what role did las vegas play in the history of organized crime um well they started to filter money through the casinos. It was a good way of money laundering.

And then also it was a way for them to set up legitimate businesses through entertainment and through gambling and stuff like that. It was all run by mobsters. And that's why you got Sinatra and all that type of stuff. What is the significance of the term La Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra it means Merry Christmas in Italian oh yeah you're right how did the term the five families come about there were they are? They were five families. Yeah. The Manjaros. Uh-huh. The Ozempics.

Yeah. Okay. I actually thought Manjaros were a thing. Okay, that's two. What are the other families? Luciano. Luciano. Luciano.

And then there was, who was that guy that everyone, Grotty. The Grotties. They were involved. The Grotties? Yeah, Gotti. Gotti, okay. Gotti. No, Iotty, the Grotties, they were involved. The Grotties? Yeah, Gotti. Gotti, okay. Gotti. Uh, no, I don't know the names. Okay. What is the significance of the App- I don't believe in crime, Forrest. What is the significance

of the Appalachian meeting in Mafia history? Ah, that was when the five families, the head of the five families got together for the first time in the same room. Okay. Uh, who was the infamous mobster known as the teflon don um i think that is goddy and why was he called that because they could never pin him down they never could quite get him to to go go he went into prison for a little while but they could never

get him for all the big stuff what was the significance of the Casta... I'm going to pronounce this. Casta Lamarisi War. Casta Lamarisi War. Sounds delicious. That was someone killed a made man, and then they killed a made man. It went back and forth. A couple more questions.

What is the Teamsters Union, and how is it related to the mob? The Teamsters are the people who unload and load up trucks, and I reckon there's a lot of corruption going on there because they're the point of loading things on and loading things off. Trucks? And it was trucks. It was stopping trucks from coming in, saying what trucks had what good stuff on them.

You know, the term it fell off the back of a truck is like a thing because the mobsters were big on robbing trucks. For the most part, the mob have never really been into drugs. That's more like, you know. I don't know. No, that wasn't their big thing was drugs. Racketeering and all that type of stuff. Last question.

Who was the first mobster to publicly testify against the mafia? Publicly? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe the guy from Goodfellas. What's his name? I forgot what his name is. Ray Liotta.

No, not the actor. The character he's playing. Ray Liotta. Yeah. I don't know. I don't remember what his name is. Idiots. I think he's dead.

He's finished off being like a chef in Alaska or something Henry Hill I'm going to say Henry Hill How did Jim do on his knowledge of the mob or the mafia 0 through 10, 10's the best Am I some fucking clown to you? Oh yeah No he did

better than I thought he would have I would give him probably a 7 I thought he would have. I would give him probably a seven. A seven. You're ready. I thought he did pretty good. Seven out of ten. Other than number six, the St. Valentine's massacre,

which he got nothing right on that one. So it was not New York? Wrong city. Chicago? Nah, too late. Campanarian. It's always Chicago and New York. Mobsters like the cold places because they get to wear the suits.

I'm telling you. That's why they're New York and Chicago. They like the cold. They like the big puffy jackets. They get to wear a big jacket over the top. No. All right. How do you do on confidence, Jack?

You got a six. Six. So that's 13. I'm not that hungry. I just ate that sub you brought. Yeah. So I think 11 through 20, Jack? You got a six. Six, so that's 13. I'm not that hungry. I just ate that sub you brought. Yeah. So I think 11 through 20, I'll make him an offer that's negotiable. That's good.

That's what you're going to do. So our first question, what is the origin of the term mafia? Jim said it's Italian for family. Is that correct? Family it is, but it's not complete. No, it's the not complete. The organization is based on where they started with it.

It's just the way you act. It's like rules, I guess you can say. Certainly you act with each other. It's almost like you don't poach. You don't do things like that. It's honor amongst thieves.'t poach, you don't do things like that. Yeah. All right, so it's honor amongst thieves. Yeah.

Basically, yeah. It does come from the word mafioso. Mafioso. Mafioso. Yeah, it means swagger and boldness and stuff, too. Swagger and boldness. So explain the structure of a typical mafia family. Jim says there's a godfather, then unmade men, then maids. No, maids.

Is there a hierarchy that's different than that? What's the actual hierarchy? What are the names of the titles? You know, it is, when you look at the movies, it is you've got your head of the families, which would be basically your boss. And then you would have the cabos and then the maid which are basically the maid men you have some in there that are just under them that they're made men and then you would have the enforcers which usually aren't made men they're the ones that do all the dirty work you know and then you have almost like you like you talk about

the motorcycle games you got it kind of like what they have was like in training or whatever the hell they call them. That's the way when I was in it is how it was, you know. And, again, being a made man is, yeah, they're untouchable to a point. But, again, I could never be a made man because I was of Hungarian descent. You have to have your lineage something in Sicily and or Italy. Well, no one will ever figure out who you are. I bet you there's some mafia cat riding along in his car right now going,

Hungarian descent? What, Todd the Hungarian? No, you know what I mean? My father was an associate with them. I kind of moved up with them, but I got to the point where, you know, I enforced a lot of things. You were a heavy for the mob, were you? Excuse me?

Were you a heavy for the mob? A what with the mob, sir? Is that term a heavy? Like a heavy. Is that a force? A force, yeah. I thought you said heavy. I'm like...

No, no, no, but that's a term, a heavy. A heavy. I didn't ask if you were a fat-eyed and I can't see, but I always thought that was the term. He's a heavy.

Am I the only person who's heard this term? I know. Oh, okay. You know what? I really nobody ever said that. Yeah, I just, I enforced a lot and collected. And Gus, you want to put a term, come to Jesus with people?

Give them like a little misunderstanding, but we're going to make sure you understand that, you know, the term we can't refuse how many how many bones are you broken mate how many like not on you how many other people's bones have you broken would you estimate uh back to a lot i'm not up the head not just for a lot i mean lot up the head not just for a lot i mean everybody had something different and back in the day you carry a bat a ball in the mitt in your in your trunk or your back and you always see you're ready to play baseball because then the cops can't pinch you for anything right there but i i was a big person i'd like to hit the ankles so i figured if you hit somebody in the ankles, you get the wheels, they go down.

They're going to crawl up the most and whine. You hit people in the knees, they can kind of get up, and then you got screwed with them a little longer. You get them in the ankles, you got a nice little ting to it, and they went down, and they got the point. And then they're not going to screw around with you when they're crawling on the ground. They're easier to control.

All right. Mental note. Mental note. I've got to start carrying a glove and a ball. You already do. You're actually playing baseball with your son. No, I actually just carry a baseball in the back, and I think I'm going to throw it at someone someday.

My aim's no good. I'm going to start carrying a bat and a glove. You'd be the worst enforcer. Just throwing a ball and missing it. Can you give me that ball back, please? I'd be like, it's all right, boys. Time to collect the money. I've forgotten two of my items.

All I've bought is this glove. Shoot. I'm going to glove the shit out of you. When life goes so fast, it's important to take a moment and celebrate your wins and make adjustments for the rest of the year. Therapy can help you take stockier progress and set achievable goals for the next six months. I benefit from therapy.

I know Forrest has benefited from therapy. I don't know about you, Jack. You keep everything very close to your chest like a Wong's t-shirt. But I believe Jack could help. It could help whatever this is. It's got a lot of range. Therapy can get into you.

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Visit betterhelp.com slash IDK today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash IDK. You've got to put the IDK in. That's a boss. Capo. Capo's the captains, right? Oh, and then Consigliere. Now, what debts were you collecting?

Were they mostly loans for degenerate gamblers, or are these protection money? What was the money you were collecting? Everything. Most were gambling. Some were used to generate or borrow money. Protection, yeah. Usually the ones with the protection didn't really whine too much. We didn't have

too much problems with them. It was the gamblers that were painting the ass. You know, that was really it. You know, there was prostitution, but at the time, I was still too young. They wouldn't let me play with the girls. And so I didn't

really got to do much with that. You know, we had chop-chops. You'd steal a car and, you know, got that all. But, yeah. So the girls never got to bash around the ankles with a baseball bat? You never did that to women? Like, you know, look, geez, women have it privileged, eh? I'm out there in the wild.

I can be hit with a baseball bat at any given stage. And even the mobsters are like ah let it be Forrest you were No I I never had to really hit women at all while doing things with them

when I went to law enforcement yes but when I was doing the other part no um so forrest you're a gamer i'm not gonna ask you about you personally but you know a lot of gamblers and i was just thinking about this because i i i i never borrowed money i if i was i wouldn't even know how to borrow money from the mob neither and i don't think i would go to a lot of banks and then one guy goes i gotta go i don't know either and i would never do it because I'd be afraid.

I'm going to lose the money. If you're a gambling addict, eventually you'll lose it. And now you owe it to the mob. That would be terrifying. But you know any guys who got in trouble with the mobs? You never had any of your gambling friends shot to AA with a sling on their arm or a busted ankle? And GA, I've heard some stories of people that got in trouble. Yeah, for sure.

I can't say because it's, you know. No, no, no. Not individuals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard some stories. I never saw any. I didn't know anybody personally that ever happened to. So how did you get clients then?

That's my next question. If Forrest, who is a degenerate gambler. Forrest. Sorry, just a gambler. It's okay. You can say that. That's fine. Forrest. Regular old just a gambler. It's okay. Forrest.

Regular old-fashioned gambler. Yeah, Forrest is a good old gambler, and he would be a huge mark for anyone who wanted to give out money. You know, if you saw him at the roulette or something, Forrest did a different game. I'm just saying, how did you find clients, or did they find you? We didn't find clients. I didn't have anyone do that.

Sorry, you're just cutting out again. Let's give it a beat and start again. You know, it was Mike Hobble. He would be the one to decide. That motherfucker was money. He had his side second command really, which was Nicky. They would be the ones

that would get the... I was just out they would be the ones that would get them. I was just out there collecting. So this fucker with this money, I had to go over there and, you know, have a little chat with them. And, you know, we had to come to Jesus meeting. And did you get a percentage of the collection as your fee or were you on a weekly wage or how did you get paid? Weekly, it was just like a job. We really, I mean, it was all, no, then you get little stipends and if you collected something, but not really. I mean, it wasn't like a finder's fee or anything like that.

You just, you did what you were told and you got money that way. In Goodfellas, which I think is the best gangster movie of all time, in my opinion, they always talk about the respect that you got around the neighbourhood from all the people who knew that you were in the mob. Was that real? Was there loads of women lining up? Was there, like, you go into a bakery and they give you a free bun or something like what

were the what were the perks man everything you name it i was i was only up till i was 19 so i was in my teens and yeah you got your respect you got free food you got free you know you're going to never need to collect they give you oh yeah here's a coffee, or here's something if you want it. Sometimes you walk in these little mom and pop places and say, I'm going to grab some olive oil, and they'd be like, yeah, and we didn't say anything. You didn't even say nothing to them half the time. But that was it. Our respect was there. Everybody's like, yes, sir, no, sir. Even the gangs were expecting me to respect each other back then. Now, you were 19.

That seems... We didn't deal with drugs. So we left them. 19 seems extraordinarily young to be doing an occupation. Were you just a big lad? Because, like, I remember back when I was 19, I think I still had pimples all over my face and i was shaving about once a week you know what i mean like i i look like i was still going through puberty were you just a big hungarian bastard who used to just go bashing around people's ankles and

stuff like you i i can't i can't see you but i think your voice is accurate yeah i was i was i was good size i was i was very i was pretty good i'm so good size i was really good size for my age uh i would get in scuffles with boys that were six seven years older than me but i was like i don't know how you put it i i was a a cheap shot but i would uh i wouldn't give up you could beat the on me but until i'm knocked out i'm gonna keep getting up and you know eventually i was diagnosed with no empathy and psychotic and i worked on that every day so the eddie would look at me basically saw something with me that you know this this kid ain't giving up and i wasn't afraid to do what i was told i mean i i'm gonna be honest i would i don't watch movies too much horror movies

because i laugh at them someone's getting their head brushed in or getting their blade chopped i laugh i think it's funny it's my own feeling it sucks to be them it is what it is and i don't care so i'm just not happy with me or my family i have no problem with it so have you have you got empathy now is that something can we learn or do you still have empathy issues i don't i don't i i work on every day i mean i think since i've been learned spiritually yes a little bit i, but now I still feel the same way towards everything. My second wife, Sabrina, has brought me, I guess, more out of the light along with my religious beliefs, and that has helped me. Yeah, okay.

But I still struggle with it every day. Look, I think it takes a very brave person to say something like that. I have a lot of respect for that. Not many people are that honest years ago I wouldn't I wouldn't accepted it but I went through a lot of like friends of mine Sam and people that really working Sabrina has made me a better person like understanding things. All right, great. That's awesome. No, no, no, no.

I was going to say that. I'm trying to do the next question. Forrest has no sincerity. He has a lack of sincerity. That's super. Okay. As soon as I said it, I was like, oh boy. He has a lack of sincerity. That's super. Okay. As soon as I said it, I was like, oh, boy.

I was like, anyways, next question. What is the significance of the code of silence or muerta in mafia culture? I guess that should have phrased the question different because it gave you the answer. But that's what it's called, a muerta? Is that a thing? Yeah, I mean, it basically shut the fuck up. I'm like, yeah, I've never said anything against my family, who or anybody I ever ran with. Everything I've ever done bad that I've issued with

is against police officers and politicians that were bad. But we would never get into discussion about the guys that ran with their... They already had them for other shit, and I wouldn't have said anything with them, but yeah, you basically shut the fuck up. Did you dress like a stereotypical mobster? Was there a suit or something like that?

I feel like if you're collecting, it's best to be in a track suit so you can run after people. You're best to be wearing a pair of sneakers rather than some leather loafers is what I'm saying if you're going to kick the shit out of someone. Am I correct? Yeah, I had – I wore jeans a lot.

I wore a polo most of the time. I mean, we had button-up shirts I wore. I mean, sure, I got a couple nice pairs of Italian and stuff I wore sometimes, but I don't even know where it seems clear. It wasn't me. I was an

athlete and stuff, and I still went and did ball. I, you know no i just dressed normally just say i mean but not like shaggy in many ways no not to draw attention i always had my hair cut and everything but that was you know that's a respect thing for um eddie you had a respect thing the way it worked is you know don't come in looking like a slop did you have to respect it. The way it worked is, you know, don't come in looking like a slob. Did you have to dispose of some outfits and weapons in your day? Is there stuff that you have thrown into the Hudson? Into Hudson?

Anywhere. It doesn't have to be that body of water. There's some stuff I disposed of but not we never we had an area by us with a furnace you could melt anything everything melted in that sucker

it was for cars and we got rid of everything really rare so yeah I mean you dispose of it in the river somewhere someone's going to

find it eventually maybe you ever seen those guys with magnets that pick up everything oh yeah those fishing magnets there's a girl

called Kate Fisher she's called something else now but she used to be engaged to James Packer who wrote the Mariah Carey story.

And she had a ring that was worth like a million dollars that she threw into Sydney Harbour and it's never been found. Engagement ring that she told him to fuck off and she chucked it into the harbour. A lot of sharks in there. Get the magnet. What was the purpose of the commission established by the American Mafia? Jim said, do you unionize the Mafia?

What was the commission for the American Mafia about, Aidan? Jim said to unionize the mafia. What was the commission for the American mafia about, Aiden? Really just agreement among the families, from what I understand. Now, you know, basically you get your area, I get mine, and don't poach. But it didn't mean they didn't fight. But this is more to keep them from beating up on each other. So there was an issue that we come together and decide dates of people and who got what neighborhoods.

But that's the way I understood how it all worked. But when they say neighborhoods, so we're talking about New York, New Jersey here, right? That's the neighborhoods we're talking about, right? So have we got mafia operating here in Los Angeles? I'm sure there is. I've been out of the game for a long time, but they're all everywhere.

I mean, we have crews all over. Yeah, but if we've got the Bloods and the Crips and there's some Mexican gangs. We have the Armenian mob. We have different gangs, but do we have Italian blokes? We have Armenian. mob. We have different gangs, but we have Italian blokes. We have Armenian. Armenian's not Italian. Armenian's a made-up country.

Okay. No. Not even close. I would say probably, like, I still know some people that when they do business, they still do business with the gangs, even though they don't sell the drugs. Even back then, we got a percentage of drugs that were sold. And we had an understanding with each other, with the gangs. Nowadays, there's so many out there.

I'm not sure exactly, but the people I still kind of contact with say they still get a percentage from the gangs. Now, I guess you used to know. By the way, I'm not 100% sure if there is anything. Before you continue on, I just wanted to say, so that commission, it says here that you wrote it down, it was founded by Lucky Luciano. That's who did that in 1930.

Did I say Lucky Luciano? No, you didn't. It was a different answer for a different question. I said Lucky Luciano. Another answer. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah, Frank Sinatra had a cigarette lighter that was engraved said Lucky Luciano. Another answer. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah, Frank Sinatra had a cigarette lighter

that was engraved from Lucky Luciano. And Made Man, we talked about, you already talked about the Made Man thing. What was the outcome of the infamous Valentine's Day massacre? Jim said it was in New York and it was Lucky Luciano. That's what you said. Oh, he's got it wrong. That was, I believe chicago and that was with capone in a uh garage yeah that's what it

says here this is what you wrote down in 1929 chicago seven members of the bugs moran gang were killed by al capone's associates significantly weaking moran moran's gang bugs Bugs Moran. How do you differentiate between a mob and a gang? Okay, so there's never been a mob bang. Good, good. That was a joke I was trying to work on the other day. It was one of the jokes. Okay, so occasionally I think of a joke, occasionally. And so one of them is like, so now in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, they're getting rid of the dwarfs, right, in the new movie coming out.

So now it's just like a lady and seven guys. And I've seen that movie in three-minute installments every night for the last 30 years. Three minutes? Wow. I like to get a bit of the story were you were you gonna answer that question mob and a gang difference well you know um i don't want to say you know gangs are concerned family get the kids off but i think with the mob it's more controlled structure of it um

it's more uh i guess you could be more history than the gangs would be but you know it's it's you know you got motorcycle clubs that can be tossed in there and that's kind of a give or save the game but we do want to talk to them it's a club it ain't a game um but um and there's no flash guys it's more history okay yeah yeah you just did you want that joke jim and there's no flash games okay flash mobs good so there's there's there's no gang mobs or mob bangs yeah mob bangs flash gangs flash gangs okay that's the big difference yeah how does the fbi eventually or they manage to infiltrate and dismantle major mafia families so what were some of i just want to ask quickly about protection

right when you go in so what i gather from protection and i i lived in england a lot so you know about like the Krays, right? The Kray twins. You've seen the movie Legends? Aidan? No, I have not. Okay. No, I have not.

Okay. So the Krays, and one of them was the last one to be in the Tower of London. The Krays were a couple of twins. One of them was gay. One of them was heterosexual. It just adds a bit of flavor to the story, but they were twins. And they were like mobsters that went around, and then one of them stabbed a bloke in a pub or something like that and every time you meet cockneys they're always like oh they have a saying they go oh geez it wouldn't be like this if the twins were still alive like the twins kept

law and order so now now they've been given this folklorish jesse james type of thing to them the cray the cray brothers right and if you see him what who played him in the movie tom hardy tom Luke, Loris, Jesse James type of thing to them, the Cray brothers, right? And if you've seen, who played him in the movie? Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy played both brothers. Yeah. So they went around. They were all about protection.

They'd go around to the bars, go, hey, we can protect you. The other people won't come in. We'll make sure that there'll be no problems here. So when you ask for protection money on small businesses around the neighborhood, So when you ask for protection money on small businesses around the neighborhood, is that just a fee they pay each month? And do you, or is it a flat fee? Is it something you give each month that's a flat fee or is it a percentage of their earnings? And do they get protection? Because you don't get much protection from the cops.

The cops are spread too thin. Do you actually give them a service? Yes. Yes. It's in your neighborhood. So you protect your neighborhood. We have people on the lookout. And most of the time you're protecting against the gangs or against other crews.

So if someone comes, only time you had any really bad violence is other crews poaching. So if they're going to come poaching in your neighborhood, the outcome is never good. So, yeah, protection against the gang, so against petty crimes, somebody come and rob your place, we're going to find them and we'll have a little chat with them

and figure something out. And as far as, yeah, they would give you cash. And not really based on your earnings but we're going to figure this this area makes a little more than that area it's kind of how you want to look at it um but yeah you get cash every month they give it to you um but yeah what it is is is if somebody fucks with that with that uh, we may not be there at the time, but it will be taken care of eventually. And odds are it's not going to happen again.

And what happens if someone doesn't pay the protection money? He goes, look, we've COVID. We're fucked. Right? What do you do then? Because these are mom and pops. You're not inherently evil. You know what I mean? Like you guys are still trying to run a business. What do you do then because because these are mom and pops you're you're not inherently evil you know what i mean like that you guys are still trying to run a business what do you do then

you know that something happened you never know it's you know it's a dangerous world out there you get shot walking your dog you shit like that um you never know you know someone might end up robbing the place a brick can come through your window that would be terrible if I could have a brick through your window heaven forbid there's a fire on the establishment we better make sure that doesn't happen so the FBI when they're infiltrating or dismantling major mafia families

what sort of things do they do Jim said informants and so forth what are some of the methods they use they're assholes um Like, what are some of the methods they use? They're assholes. They come in, they watch you, you know. Again, they come and they take pictures and they use that against you.

You know, it's like anything. They just do surveillance on you. They put bugs in people's places. You know, that's why usually places we have, we always had somebody there 24-7. And so it makes it harder for them to sneak in. If somebody came in and all of a sudden there's a roust where they rested everybody in the house to get them out for a while. You knew something was going to be done. So you moved somewhere else, and you sweep the place, and you find out what's going on. They also need a big remodeling job to do.

But that's really it. It's mostly surveillance and people talking. You know, you strong arm somebody, say you're going to go to prison like happened to me. You want to go to prison the rest of your life. This is what we need you to do right that's how it goes that seems like a fairly easy choice what was that thing the heaven or something when they got rico act didn't they use that what was the rico act they always say that what a rico act is basically anything you do to organize crime to be used against you yeah basically it's just basically anything you do to organize crime, it can be used against you. Yeah. Basically, it's just basically they can do whatever the fuck they want.

And almost like, you know, you're talking about Trump made up bullshit. That's kind of what it is. Any association or anything with the mob, it's the penalties are more extreme. Yeah, I thought, yeah, it stands for Racketeer, Influence, and Corrupt Organizations Act, the RICO Act. And what's the actual, what does the term racketeering mean? Yeah, I don't know what that means.

That would have been a good question. When you brought that up, I shit myself. Running rackets. It's running rackets, right? It's numbers. It's numbers. Yeah, yeah. This is the definition I found online.

It's a type of crime where the person sets up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, or otherwise illegal coordinated scheme so rackets yeah that's what this is in the name right now once you're in the mafia can you just leave can you at any stage go even if you're a made man can you go i've had a good run i'm moving to hawaii with the wife um good thank you or do you know too many secrets to ever get out um good thank you or do you know too many secrets to ever get out that all depends um people i know who retire we're gonna go the older ones and they're gonna go you know they went to prison they came out when they went to prison he came out and said yeah i'm done with this shit and he went to to Arizona and we're like, you know, see you.

That's it. You know, it's people like that. Someone leaves and all of a sudden people get arrested. And you're going to have a little thinking about maybe that person has something to do with it. You know, that's kind of how, you know, you got to look at it. I don't mean here's not this once you're in, you're in forever. You'll be associated forever it's not like uh uh but i know guys that have like moved to florida moved to arizona and shit that just you know we're retiring kind of do you know blokes who got into the business did a whole life of, and then got away with all of it.

Yeah. Oh, that's cool. That's good to know. Yeah. I need a couple of them. A little career change for you? Yeah, mate. What is the significance of the term La Cosa Nostra?

Jim said it means Merry Christmas in Italian. I don't think that's right. La Cosa Nostra. Yeah. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. And the coast knows that. Yeah. The coast is just family. It basically means, you know, your family.

It's us. It's basically us. I've always perceived us against the world. But we're together. We're family. And you don't go against your family. You know, when I started very young, we used to have the dinners and the gatherings where my father associated.

We would all be together and it was a big family. People from the old country come and make food. Oh, unbelievable. We all get the food. That's good. We would get that. It's a family thing. Everybody sat there and chatted and goofed around.

It was a good time. And how did you first get approached to get into it, or did you approach them? How it started for me is we were kids. Hey, go get me a drink, you know. And then mine was, hey, A hey we come by the shop i got something for you okay i load my bike there when you take this to this place drop it off you know what's at we'll show you what's at we'll tell you what's at drop it off they may give you some bring it

back don't look at it just do this and i did that for a while i would bring it back and get 30 or 40 bucks. As a kid, I would go to the candy store 30 or 40 hours. My friends were like, we're kings. That's how it all started for me. I just worked my way from there that they liked me. But you said that you didn't run drugs. What were you running?

That was mostly running to the politicians and cops their money exchanging money and it's just dirty money going older that's what i would that's what it was now the drugs we didn't deal with drugs whatsoever um we thought that this the way it was by eddie is i can't say it without being nowadays, but basically the gangs were in their neighborhoods, and we didn't deal with them. We still got a percentage, but we didn't mess with the drugs. We didn't mess with our people.

And the five families, do we know who they are? Jim said the Manjaros, the Anzempics, the Lucianis, and the Gottis. I don't know if that's right. know who they are jim said the manjaros the nzempics the lucianis and the gaudis i don't know if that's right well you know i think every city must be basically have five families if not more that was based in new york new jersey and you know it you know it's it's it's got you know gambino is a big one i think uh um carl col Columbia, he was like the main one. I mean, all the families are in there, but that was before my time. The family sitting there is still there,

but this was the start of it where they got the organization together. And all the other families kind of had like, I guess it was like a tree. You had your branches going out and you had different quarters cruise with this neighborhood cruiser bad name we had a crew where i was where it was an area we had our area and that's how you i thought we did it and this this says here on this one that says colombo like you said gambino genovese genovese Lucchese and Banano yeah but why can't you have one like Johnson

wow Smith Italian Johnson I'm the Italians why does it always have to be Italian though why can't someone why can't a non-Italian

start up a mob and just go we're going to start running this area over here why are they so connected to this Italian thing? You, as you said, were Hungarian. I've always felt excluded from the mob ever since I've moved to America and all my endeavours to become a member.

That and Sorrow House for the longest time weren't letting me in. And so why Italian? Why can't we have a rise in something else like like is it because that there's a code that they have amongst each other and that they okay uh are they excluding people can i go to court about this i think there's a class action lawsuit yeah class action lawsuit going going the bloody italians won't fucking let me in and I know how to do all the racketeering. I'm a great raconteur, they reckon. Yeah, I think it's I mean, it's

from the old country. Did you ever know an Australian mobster? Did you ever know an Australian mobster? Did you ever know an Australian mobster? Like Gary the Snitch? It wasn't a good nickname. He shouldn't have started like that. It was accurate though. Did you have a nickname? Yes.

My nickname was Sandwich. He's a big boy. he's a big boy. He's a big boy. That's my nickname. And he'd get two bits of bread and mash your head like this. Boom. Sandwich.

Yeah. No, your nickname's not Sandwich. You want to know the story of how I got Sandwich? Yeah. Yeah, of course. We were sitting there eating, and Eddie goes, Hey, that motherfucker over there, he owes me money. I was like, 20 grand.

Before you can say, I was out of my seat running after him. I got him, got him to the ground, kicking the shit out of him. I hear a bone stab, and I'm just stepping all over this clown, and I'm eating a sandwich. I never lost my sandwich. I'm still eating a sandwich and i never lost my sandwich i'm still eating a sandwich and dominic shows up which is basically the third command but you know at his other right other right hand man and he's like you beat the mother eating a sandwich are you shitting me and i'm like i'm hungry this this asshole. And I kicked him in the nuts and said, you know what?

And he got to whatever, I remember, I think a week, to get the fucking money for Eddie. And this guy's on the ground crying and bleeding. I'm laughing at him, stepped on his face and walked away. So I'll eat my sandwich. And what sandwich was it? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. It was a fucking corned beef? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

It was a fucking corned beef. Yeah, nice. Classic. Classic. A thousand island dressing on the end. Yeah, classic. Okay, so I'm glad we covered your voice up. Hungarian glycol sandwich. They'll never crack the code.

Who was the infamous mobster? It was Teflon Don. You got that right, John Gotti, Teflon Don. What was the significance of the Castamalarese War? Am I saying that right? Do you know what that is? Is that before your time or is that the Castamalarese War? That was before my time.

I'm not 100%. So it's just probably again anytime you look at these guys anytime any of the areas it's over all the property basically over neighborhoods yeah and i'm going to take over this area and i'm going to do this here you know and like in the movies everybody says you, you know, that they were, that we just kill people, kill people. But most of the time, anybody got hurt was other crews for poaching or do something stupid. As far as normal people, no, I mean, unless they're really fucked up, which is a rarity, you would, you would, and it's like an old term, it's bad for business. And it's like an old term.

It's bad for business. And then if you did them too much, then you're bringing too much notice on yourself, too much heat. So you didn't want to make a message, but you didn't want to overfill it. Yeah, I just looked it up here. The Castelmarie War between mafia factions in New York City in the 20s and 30s that ended up with the establishment of the commission, the reorganization of American mafia. So's when luciano established that commission um this might be a stupid question but so you have a couple of these mafias uh do

money laundering what's the benefit of doing all this money laundering versus just what's being covered up what's being done legal versus just doing something proper, what benefit are you getting? Because if they chase the money, if you have a million dollars in your bank account and you go, hey, it's from my waste disposal company, da-da-da-da-da. So where's that million dollars coming from? I'm just like, what's the business being done?

The million dollars is coming from Sandwich smashing the shit out of some cunt for 40 grand. He does that once a week. Why does that guy need to pay 40 grand? Because he lent the money to him. Was it all just money lending? He lent him $20,000 and he said, all right, you degenerate gambler, here's $20,000.

But if you don't pay me back in time, you don't pay me back in time. It's $1,000 a week for each week that you get it wrong. It was like the trucks too. Yeah, and then they're taking over trucks and also the protection money. Right. Is it real protection or is it like protection, like we'll fuck you up on the answer though he said he said

it was real protection it's real protection for against other mobs you get rid of all the mobs you don't need the protection as much yeah like there's no subway sandwich shop in studio city that's got protection going on no i've been there uh there is a Subway sandwich shop. Yeah, there's a Subway. Yeah, of course. Selling footlong fucking pretzels. Footlong cookies. Everything's footlong. What is the Teamsters Union?

How is it related to the mob? Jim said they're the ones that load up the trucks and drive the trucks, fell off the back of a truck. Yeah. Do we know about the Teamsters Union? Yeah. What's his name?

He ran it before he disappeared somewhere in New York. Jimmy Hoffa. Jimmy Hoffa. In the football stadium. Hoffa, yeah. So that's, what it is is they were using it to get money. There was a modern laundering thing. So they were, like, Vegas was made,

when they did the Flamingo, it was made for the money from fucking Hopper gave money from the Teamsters retirement fund. I've seen this movie. That's really what it was. It was basically their bank. You know.

That's the way I understand how it was ran. So there's more law. So there's always this whole series of different... Just money being moved. ...denominations to appear legitimate. Yeah. Now, this is kind of...

How do I say this? From what I see in the movies, the Italian mafia seems to be... And you said you couldn't be a made man because you are from Hungarian descent. Were there – what minorities did you have in the mafia? Did you have black people, Asian people? Did you have homosexuals?

Okay. No, no, no. I just wanted to check. There were guys in the chop shop that were Mexican and were black. We didn't have any Chinese, Japanese, or Asians that were guys that were like anybody that were really part of the crew because there was. Yeah, we were racist as

fuck and back then that's where it was and and it's just how it was um as far as like with me you know it depends how they know you i mean there was one of the guys that was in the crew that was jewish and they didn't give a shit. Right, but they can double. Andrew Dice Clay famously acted Italian for a lot of his career. No, no, no, no. He didn't ever act that other than. Excuse me? Well, Jewish people can act Italian.

They've got an Italian sort of vibe going on. If they live in New York, I guess. Yeah, if they live in New York, you can, you know, but it's not as. Okay, so the big Asian gang, the Triads, where do the Triads come from, Forrest? Don't know. I have no clue. Because I don't want to get it wrong. They're just from Thailand or something? I thought it was Japan. China.

China, the Triads, right? Do you ever have to deal with the Triads? I don't know why this question... No. We never really deal with the triads. I mean, we dealt with the gangs. They had the Crips. They had the Viceroyals, the Latins, shit like that.

It's all over. As far as any overseas ones, no. I mean, the Albanians and the Russians, those dickheads are around, but they weren't like they are today. But as far as anything, not really. I mean, we never dealt with an Asian group. I don't know how that would have went. It would have been, what, throwing stars against bullets?

Well, maybe. I don't know. I've seen some Jackie Chan maybe. I don't know. I've seen some Jackie Chan movies. I don't know. I don't want to speculate. I don't think it would have been a pleasant experience for either group. Yeah, I don't think so. It would have been kinky, but it would have been all right.

The last question we asked was, who was the first mobster to publicly testify against the mafia? Jim said Henry Hill. What I have here as an answer isster to publicly testify against the mafia? Jim said Henry Hill. What I have here as an answer is wrong. Do you know the name? I have it here. I don't remember. Joseph Elachi.

It was probably way before my time. Joseph Elachi was the first mobster. What was that, the 60s? 63, yeah. I have it open, but I'm not looking at it. Did you want to talk a bit when you worked for the DOJ is that properly

characterizing that you worked for them to help bust these cops yeah what it was is when the FBI decided they were going to take out our crew and everybody's getting arrested Eddie came and said you have know, you have a chance.

You haven't been arrested. Go make something, get away. We're all being arrested. I'm leaving. Just keep them out. Just make sure my son's okay. That was it. Last night I talked to the man.

And I went to school and they showed up. And I never did anything with the FBI because they're assholes. And the DOJ, not much better. They just showed up, threw pictures in front of me, said, you know what, we need you to do this shit for us. And to make a long story short, they pictured my mom, my dad, me, and everybody with all the associates. And I didn't care about, they told me everybody's going to go to jail. Me, dad, everything. But when it got to my mother and said,

my mom was going to go to jail. Uh, yeah, that kind of got to me. Um, that forgot to me. They threatened to put my mom in jail. And so I,

at the time I was in college playing football and they said, party your way out. And then we got job. We got something we do. And when I did it, the first thing they wanted me to do was get on this department and find a police officer that was doing hits for a Ma Pro crew. And I did.

I got on. But at the time, I didn't physically fit and played football in college. So I ended up getting on with no problem back in that time not i don't know how it is today and after i did that they had me go to the another department to get on which had me the department in the town i grew up in and they didn't put me i wasn't undercover i was an informant so the way it was put in front of me is if something goes wrong there's no backup you're fucked if something happens to you we don't give a shit right we need to get to third mason so you stay out of prison and did they

but if something goes wrong and you get killed oh that sucks to be you did they give you a timeline on how long you have to be an informant for did they say long you would have to be an informant for? Did they say, you're going to have to be an informant for two years or something, or you're an informant for life? They didn't tell me anything. They said, we need you to do this. Basically, what happened, I did it for about 14, 15 years, and they came up and said, hey, thank you for everything. Peace out.

Here's a stipend. That was it. I thought maybe at the time, after starting doing it, maybe I could go work for these, after starting doing it, maybe I could go work for these fucks. Now, while you were working as an informant, were you allowed to collect your

criminal money? I was my criminal. At that time, we were broken up because the FBI arrested everybody. So, I kind of got away. The reason they even slowly did me to do it is because of what I did, because the whole department and the politicians were all corrupt and they knew

who I was. And the first time I met with the mayor and the commissioner was, Aiden, you're going to toe the line. And I was, sir, I'll do whatever you need me to do. You'll do what you were told, yes, sir, whatever you need me to do. And that's how it all started with these guys. They ended up putting several officers and a bunch of politicians in prison. And it wasn't where it was like, hey, yeah, so am I going to testify?

No, we just want the information to be used against them that we can use to get them to go to prison. Because if you testify, you're one and done. We don't want that. We want to use you to get the information we need. Do you have regrets? You know, no, not really. The only regret was when they did it to me, I was young and dumb, 19, going on 20.

I basically couldn't, I don't know how my life would have turned out, totally get fucked. Because I'm not sure if I would have went to prison with what they said they had, but I probably would have. So, no, I have no regrets i really don't have any regrets because when i was doing the first part i i enjoyed everything i got out of it these side perks and the only thing i regret is when i did get into law enforcement once you get in law enforcement you have that blue line so it's men and women in law enforcement and you don't cross it it's almost like with the family if you portray them you're betraying the family and until anybody in the world walks a mile in the police officer's shoes in a major city or any big city that's got a lot of crime you don't know what it's like to be one

and i became an alcoholic and had very bad night terrors where I would wake up and in these stupors in the motel room with my.357 next to me with a round in it. And I know that these 200 did not more times going over everything. But I would put a round in the chamber, a magnum round, spin that barrel and pull the trigger my mouth or side of my head and there was a couple times i woke up between rounds in the chamber god for some reason said we're not going to end your life right now how the hell i got to a fucking but i was in such a bad time at that place because of all that and it was eating at me because I couldn't talk about it. And that's the only regret I have is going through that very bad time. What do you miss most about being a mobster?

Is there anything you miss? I miss the respect. There's no respect nowadays. These kids, this world has zero respect um you know i get in trouble now and then driving and i hope i might still yell at everybody because everybody's an driver including myself should be able to shoot him you need to go talk to somebody or anything there's no respect in the world uh i got no respect for country city the respect you would get yeah all right this is the part of our show called dinner party facts we ask our guests to give us a fact or a story or something

interesting or obscure they can use to tell people at a dinner party or a bar what do you got for us, Aiden? You know what? Mine's got to do with, you know, my life has changed because of religion, and I'm the Baha'i. I'm the Baha'i faith now. I don't know if you guys know what Baha'i is. Look it up.

But it's the youngest religion out there, and I'm just going to say, if you go to dinner party, if there's only been one miracle ever caught that was done for newspapers or anything that was seen and publicized from 1850, where the Bob was sentenced to death by 750 riflemen. When they shot, they put, they hung him from a rope and he shot. And after the smoke cleared, he was missing along with the site this kid that was named anus that was going to die with him they disappeared they did us

it's like where it is where they at in his prison cell because prior to getting shot he says i'm not ready to die i'm not ready I'm not done talking and when he was done you know at the second time he goes I'm done talking, I'm ready to die and they went and did it again with another 700 the first group was Christian they said fuck this shit we don't

we don't know what happened here, we're leaving so they got 700 people and did the same thing and that was publicized well I'm done talking but I'm not ready to die. I have some stories, but most of them I can't really talk about. No, I understand. Aidan, you've been a fantastic guest. You've been very honest with us as much as you could be,

and I very much appreciate you being on the podcast, mate. I think this is going to be a real interesting one for people to listen to and um the the book is conflicting loyalties is available on amazon we have a link to it and you can find more information at conflicting loyalties book on instagram conflicting loyalties on the facebook page and uh aiden is on twitter or x gabor aiden g-a-b-o-r-a-i-d-e-n thank you aiden all right and thank you for being at the podcast if you're at a party and someone or X, Gabor, Aiden, G-A-B-O-R-A-I-D-E-N. Thank you, Aiden. Aiden, thank you for being at the podcast. If you're at a party and someone comes up to you and says,

there's six families going, I don't know about that, and then smash them in the head with a fucking sandwich. Good night, Australia. Good night.