I Don't Know About That - The Moon Landing with Dr. Kevin Peter Hickerson

Episode Date: July 7, 2020

In this episode the team covers The Moon Landing and Moon missions with the help of Dr. Kevin Peter Hickerson (@kevinhickerson). Follow Us: Jim Jefferies Website: www.jimjefferies.com Jim Jefferies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimjefferies/?hl=en Jim Jefferies Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JimJefferies/ Jim Jefferies Twitter: https://twitter.com/jimjefferies   Forrest Shaw Website: www.forrestshaw.net Forrest Shaw Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/forrestshaw/ Forrest Shaw Twitter: https://twitter.com/forrestshaw Kelly Blackheart Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kellyblackheart/   Jack Hackett Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Jack_hackett/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Forrest Shaw Kelly Zbinski And Jack Hackett How are you. I'm here with Forrest Shaw, Kelly Zabinski, and Jack Hackett. How are you, Jack? I'm good. How are you doing? Good, good, good. How was everyone's fourth? Good. Loud.

Yeah, I'll tell you what happened with us. I'll tell you what happened with us. You didn't even care about anyone else. Moving on. If you had a story, you should have butted in with your story. How was everybody's fourth? Let me tell you what happened with mine. Jack wants to work as a comedian, and should have butted in with your story. How was everybody's fourth? Let me tell you what I have on mine. Jack wants to work as a comedian, and he goes like this.

Good. You've got to come with more than that, mate. I'll tell you. It wasn't interesting. I just got drunk. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, there you go. Keep going.

That is good news. And then I slept. Oh, God. You get drunk, and then you sleep. I feel like we've been training him for years to be a better drinker and drug user. And so far, no good. I was playing golf with Jack the other day and he looked at his phone and he goes,

my brother's just discovered alcohol. And he showed me, his brother's 21. How do you just discover at 21? As an Australian, that blows my mind, right? But it's him sitting at a table with all the different alcohol bottles from these parents liquor cabinet and he was trying each one in the front of each one yeah by himself his brother was sitting there going gin not for me vodka hmm i see merits right he went

i don't get rum but oh mccallan i don't get rum your parents liquor cabinet is probably the only one in history that isn't filled with half water because you guys didn't drink it in high school. We didn't know where it was. Oh, God. Hold on. Before we keep going, people can see us, right? Yeah.

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My special comes out today. So it's already out. It came out at midnight. If you're just tuning in on Tuesday, I hear it's doing phenomenal. I hear it's broken Netflix, and Netflix just can't believe how good their ratings are, and all your subscriptions are going up by a dollar. That's how good it's gone. That's how good it's gone.

We had the 4th of July, and I hang out. I was going to say, that's a good transition. I don how good it's gone. That's how good it's gone. We had the 4th of July and I hang out. I was going to say that's a good transition. I don't think it's doing quite as good as awake. Awake. Okay. On the 4th of July. Okay. So me, Forrest and our friend Jason John Whitehead all hung out together and we were in Palm Springs.

And what happened was Forrest bought a whole shit ton of fireworks. And my son was excited that he was going to see fireworks set off in front of him because he's never had them set off in front of him right away and uh for whatever reason my son said to forest do you have a permit and forest said yes yeah forest just lied and said he had some special permit anyway we let off a firework we let off one a very small one just like i told told your son, I was like, I said, okay, I'm going to let off a small one just as a preview. We did like two or three small ones, nothing big. That's what we did. Went back in the house. Went back in the house. And then this woman

who would have been 90 years old comes over to the house and she goes, I've lived here for 70 years. And this is, you're going to burn down Palm Springs like this right and my son went but he has a permit I was like alright easy Hank and she just looked at him and went no Hank not right there

this is not your fight yeah and then that was funny too and she goes I'm going to tell the owner of the house and you're like I'm the owner and then we was funny too. And she goes, I'm going to tell the owner of the house. And you're like, I'm the owner. I'm the owner. Yeah. And then we watched a TV show called Awake. Has anyone watched Awake?

No. It's people counting quarters for 24 hours and then having to do physical activities. Now, I know it already sounds awesome. By the way, this is all we did on the 4th of July. We didn't even, we just watched, we watched every episode of Awake. Party.

We logged in. I was having a bit of a bad time personally and i saw i didn't want to drink and i logged in eight hours of awake no one won the million i hate to ruin it for you if you're watching awake oh no then it's gonna be angry at me they gave away a million dollars awake watch it They count quarters and then they play little games involving balls and balancing coins on their face. There's a lot of quarters involved

but awake. There's a million dollars in quarters. There's a million dollars in quarters but they never count to a million dollars in quarters.

They have to count them and they have to keep track without writing anything down while staying awake for 24 hours and they have to say how many they counted and they have to be

within a certain amount of money. No paper or pen. I can't even get through counting a dollar in change without starting over i still here's one for you i've lived in this country now for 11 years i still don't know which one's a nickel and which one's a dime it's always the bit that i just go i I'll just keep that. I know quarters because quarters are useful. You can use them out in the wild. There's machines that take them and you can put them in parking meters or you can buy a soda with them.

You can also use dimes and nickels in the wild. I've never owned a dime or a nickel for more than a minute. Here's the thing about the show is you count the amount of quarters and then you have to tell someone, this is how many I counted, and you have to be within a certain amount. There's one point where you have to be within $500 of what you said that you counted, and there's another point where you have to be within $25 to win the million.

There was one person that said his count was $97,300-something. It turns out he only counted $23,000. He was $70,000 out. How do you make that mistake? I don't think he knows what... I think he's like, Jim, he doesn't even know what a quarter is. He's just like, these are worth $20 each, right?

I think he thought they were $25 each. That's the only thing that could have happened. It's bananas. James Davis is the host of the show. James Davis hosts the show. He's great. He was nice about it, too. He was like, hey, you're only off by $70,000.

I was like, what? Yeah, man, you must be pretty sleepy. We need Simon Cowell to go in there and be the host of that and really just rip into people. All right, let's start the show. We have a guest, as we always do. Me and Jack don't know anything about the guest or anything about the topic. Kelly and Forrest do know about the topic.

I am going to say everything that I know about this topic with a few hints from Forrest. Not hints, questions from Forrest. Yeah, well, first let's introduce our guest. Please welcome to the show Dr. Kevin Peter Hickerson. All right, see is i'm already in the lead here every time i have to ask questions to people because if you were just called mr kevin peterson is it peterson kevin peter hickerson peter hickerson all right kevin peter hickerson i'll just call you kevin dr kevin do you like doctor do you call dr kev would that be a thing

that would be your tv name, like Dr. Drew. Because his name's Andrew, in case anyone didn't know. And Dr. Oz, he's probably got a first name. Oswald. Is he Oswald? I think Oz is his last name. To be fair, I probably should have called other people doctors on this podcast already, but I didn't.

Yeah, there's probably a guy from Princeton. Yeah. He was probably a doctor. The guy who knew about the post office, he was probably a doctor. That's the guy from Princeton. Yeah, he was a doctor. Yeah, that's the guy. The guy with the Olympics, he would have been a doctor.

He might have been. He's a professor. He might not have been a doctor. Just because you're a professor doesn't mean you have a doctorate. But I think that. I mean, if any of them had given you the doctor title, you would have used it. Sure.

They might not have. It's not your job. They also might have been like what what have we gotten ourselves into but if Kevin isn't a medical doctor I always find those ones weird I know it's a real thing I know you've got a doctorate but I've been on airplanes where they go is there a doctor on the plane do you still do pipe up? Somebody's like, doctor of philosophy here? This is not going to help. Has anyone got a dilemma? You can't live, laugh, love your way out of a fucking heart attack. Is anyone having an existential dilemma? I was once on a plane from Los Angeles to London.

I don't know which way I was going. I think I was going to LA from London. Unnecessary. Yeah. Well, it kind of is. I think I was going to LA from London. Unnecessary. Yeah.

Well, it kind of is. Okay. And a guy had a heart attack on the fucking plane sitting next to his wife. An old fella had a heart attack just sitting there and they went, is there a doctor? And then they worked on him a bit and then he died. But we're over, you know, the Atlantic or whichever way we fly.

I think it's the Atlantic, right? It is. Yeah. And we're over the Atlantic. So there's no turning back. So they just fucking put a blanket over the cunt head right and his wife had to sit there

the whole time she just kept on reading a magazine right she wasn't crying? she was crying a bit but it's a long flight she took a meal and there was another bloke there was another bloke who had nothing to do with the couple the old fella was sitting in the middle he just had to sit next to was another bloke who had nothing to do with the couple.

The old fellow was sitting in the middle. He just had to sit next to a dead bloke. Right? The whole thing. Now, the rest of us. Well, what else are you going to do? Shove him out the plane? Oh, no, you can't.

Yeah, you can't put him in the overhead. Everyone takes too many bags on. That's why you're only allowed one carry-on in case there's a dead body. And the cockpit. When we landed, we all understood that we had to stay seated until they got the dead body off. We were all like, all right, we have to chill here. But they were on the way to the bathroom. They were three rows back from the bathroom.

So you went to the bathroom, and then you were lining up for the toilet. And I stood next to her for a while. I was like, yeah, sorry about that. Condolences. Now, was this one of the times that you masturbated in the airplane bathroom? Because that would make sense. That's how he...

You're like, it's go time. No, that's how he died. He went in there, tripped over, banged his head. But yeah, I saw a dead guy on a plane. All right, so getting back to Dr. Kevin Peter. I'm just saying the doctors did nothing. That's it. So here's part of the show called Judging a Book by Its Cover.

Jim's going to try and guess what your field of expertise is or what you're going to be talking about today. Let's just do that. Okay. Are you involved in medicine? What we're talking about today specifically. I know, but I'm going to find that out through these questions. Are you involved in medicine?

Not really, no. Are you a doctor of history is that a thing is that a thing yes it could be are you a doctor of history no no do do you do you give sem do you talk at you do you lecture at universities no fucking would you that'd be nice you're all right by the way this is what Jim does. Every show Jim does, he goes, what are you, an expert? I know what he is. I know what he is. I know what he is. I'm looking at him.

He's wearing a flannel shirt. He's a fucking tree doctor. First of all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a thing. I don't think. There's a guy that calls himself the tree doctor as an advertisement probably, but I don't think he's a tree doctor.

No, that's a real thing. People who bandage up trees and stuff are called tree surgeons. Yeah, yeah, they are. But also, why would the fl think he's a tree. No, that's a real thing. People who bandage up trees and stuff are called tree surgeons. Yeah, yeah, they are. But also, why would the flannel shirt be a tree? Because he looks like he's been out in the woods fixing trees. It's coronavirus. He's at home right now. He's relaxing.

Also, the flannel shirts are known for lumberjacks who chop down trees, which would be the opposite of a tree. Okay. I'm going to say he works with trees, final answer. You don't want to give me hints? All right, give me a hint. Okay. Remember the other hints I gave you before.

Yeah, your hints are like... I know, but you have to think about it. Bruce Willis. I'm going to give you another actor. Okay. So this is an actor that has portrayed something related to this. Okay. Ryan Gosling.

Ryan Gosling. Also Bruce Willis. You're a doctor of notebooks. Nope. No, no. So Ryan Gosling is, I only know like two, he was in the Nice Guys film, The Notebook. La La Land.

La La Land. Bruce Willis is an actor that. I mean, sort of, but not really. Bruce Willis, he wasn't involved in this. Well, Bruce Willis, so he might be a medical doctor because he doesn't let people die hard. No, okay. All right, give me another hint.

Ryan Gosling's not good. God, let me think of something else then. I know the hint. Okay, I get it. You got the hint? You got the hint? Yeah, you can guess. First Man. Remember the First Man movie?

Are you looking at my computer? You're an astrologist Jesus Christ, astrologist? A doctor of astrology? No, he knows about the fucking He knows about the moon and the galaxy

Well, moon is correct He's an astronaut He's a doctor of astronauts Sounds like a Gemini answer. He knows about the moon and the galaxy. Well, moon is correct. Yeah. Yes, but... He's an astronaut. He's a doctor of astronauts. Okay, I'm going to tell you what it is. Is it Dr. Spichelman? Dr. Kevin Peter Hickerson.

We're going to be talking about moon landing today and the Apollo program. Oh, I know a lot about the moon landing. Dr. Kevin Peter Hickerson is a nuclear physicist from Caltech. And he also has a science and comedy podcast called surely you're joking uh created with jimmy o yang you know jimmy uh featuring nobel prize winners scientists and comedians um and we'll we'll plug that again at the end that podcast so you can listen to it you never wanted to bring me on as an expert

you have probably met kevin says he's met you before too that's the other thing yeah we met at the improv one time oh there you go maybe twice he also does stand up comedy there's a lot of doctors who do stand up man I know three

who you talking about Ken John I know Ken John there's a guy called Paul Sinner in Britain who's also one of the brainiacs on the chase game show in the UK who you talking about ken john i know ken john there's a guy called paul sinner in britain okay who's also one of the brainiacs on the chase game show in the uk and uh i know i know kevin all right well uh kevin i'm not a medical doctor so we'll just clear that up that's right because i always i always call him kevin i've known kevin for a while and i always call him kevin so i'll just have to call you dr kevin on this podcast but Dr. Kevin please tell us just a little bit more about uh just about what we're gonna be talking about today and you know what qualifies you for that or the history or anything

related else to that the moon landing the Apollo program something like that all right so we're gonna be talking about the moon landing today uh we're gonna have some great questions that uh you can try and answer Jim yeah um my interest in the moon landing really came from my grandfather who worked on the Apollo program. Uh, and then he later worked on the challenger space shuttle. And so, uh, but he died at a very young age. So I was sort of like, uh, really obsessed with learning more about space and physics and stuff like that.

So I learned a lot about it. That's why I asked you if that's why you saw your grandfather worked for Stanley Kubrick. We'll get like that. All right. So I learned a lot about it. That's why I asked you if that's why you got into this field. So your grandfather worked for Stanley Kubrick. We'll get into that. Yeah. You cut out there for a second. We didn't hear what you said. Sorry. Yeah, you guys did too.

It's our fault, isn't it? Well, let's just say we were both funny. Hilarious there there get your translators out alright so here's what we're going to do for the next 5-10 minutes

Jim is going to give it a go as we say he's going to tell us everything he thinks he knows about the moon landing or the Apollo program

anything to do with missions to the moon ok there's been a few missions to the moon the first mission to the moon yeah what was the first the first one was in the 1960s and it was because john f kennedy says we're not

going to do this because it's easy we do it because it's hard or something 1960s you know the actual year or date or uh it was 19 with the Beatles around I'm going to say 1963 the year is nice that's a hint 1969 why are you giving him answers it's not that nice

it's only nice if you do it in the right position. If you're on top, you can kill a woman. 69 sucks. When was the last time we went to the moon? We went a few times after that. I'm going to say we went six times, and the last time was in the 70s. 1974.

1974. Okay. And do you know what astronauts went to the moon first? Neil Armstrong. He was the first bloke on the moon. The whole group of them. 1974. Okay. And do you know what astronauts went to the moon first? Neil Armstrong. He was the first bloke on the moon. The whole group of them. Yeah. Buzz Aldrin was the second bloke.

And they were only the two that went on. And then there was Joe Finkel, who was still on the plane. Joe Finkel. It does suck that the third person doesn't get on. Yeah. He just sat on the thing going, I wonder if we'll get back. And he was like, there's going to be one high school named after me in Idaho.

The rest of them all had old Finkel High. What's their mascot? Do you know what the name of the rocket was? The Eagle was the name of the actual, the Eagle has landed was the actual name of the... The Eagle has landed was the actual name of the pod

that went down onto the moon. And I've seen it. What about the rocket that took them up there? The rocket would be Apollo 1. No, no, no. It wasn't Apollo 1. It wasn't Apollo 1

because Apollo 1 had a chimp or a dog in it. It was Apollo 2. Apollo 3. Jack, you can speak. You don't have to sign language to him. I don't want to cheat to him. I don't know what I'm talking about.

You're also one of the people who doesn't know anything. All right. Okay, so they went up there. Wait, wait, wait. Jack just goes, 11. Apollo 11. Apollo 11. Because it was 13 had the problems.

Yeah. 13 had the problems 13 had the problems 13 was Tom Hanks so I thought Bruce Willis was in Apollo 13 no it was Tom Hanks that's why you kept saying Bruce Willis that's an asteroid they were on

those were oil workers that were sent into space it was Tom Hanks Lieutenant Dan and Ray Finkle they gave Ray Finkle another bloody go It was Tom Hanks, Lieutenant Dan, and Ray Finkel. Kevin Finkel. They gave Ray Finkel another bloody go. It was Tom Hanks, Lieutenant Dan, and Ray Finkel. Okay. So what is the significance of Apollo 11?

That's what I was going to ask. Apollo 11, Legs 11. It was the first rocket to go up straight because the lines were parallel. You just said it. Why did Americans send manned missions to the moon? Okay, well, the reason we did it because it was called the space race. And what happened was the Russians had already sent people up into space and they were at that stage ahead of us, right?

Until we used the alien technology that we had in Area 51 to actually help us get the technology to go up there. So the Russians sent up, I think they sent up a chimp and we set up a dog, right? They sent up a chimp and we set up a dog. And then we sent up John Glenn. And John Glenn was the first bloke. He went up and just, you know, fluffed around a bit.

He really fluffed around a bit. He fluffed around. He went up and he went around the Earth, had a look at it. Orbited the Earth. Okay, there you go. That's better than fluffing. John Glenn orbited the Earth, and then he came back down. And then years later, they sent him back up there just as a publicity stunt. But they said, oh, we want to test what old people do in space.

Who gives a fuck? That was a waste of money. It was a waste of money. He still came back with probably Alzheimer's. Who fucking knows? But anyway, so John Glenn was the first bloke, and then they got the other guys. But why were we going to the moon?

It was a space race is what you're saying, right? It was a space race. We wanted to go to the moon. We went not because it was easy, because it was hard or something. That sounds good. First go to the moon we went not because it was difficult easy because it was hard or something that sounds good first first mission to the moon how many people watched it on tv oh i reckon the population of the world back then in 1969 was probably around three billion so how many had tvs yeah and i'm saying but you multiple people in the room and i'm gonna say i'm gonna say 1.8 billion people watch that. Okay.

Because they weren't watching it in Kenya or something, mate. Oh, maybe they were. Maybe a couple of tellies. Now the program, I believe was called the Apollo program is the whole program, right? Dr. Kevin. Okay. Dr. Kevin Hickerson, Peter Hickerson.

Now, a lot. What did the whole cost of the man moon landing program cost? The entire program? Well, I. And you, I don't need... I want to know what it cost back then, and then we can convert it later. I can figure this out,

because I've always been told that they got to space with a computer that was less powerful than your iPhone, right? And an iPhone is like $1,000, so $700. So from start to finish, all the moon landings... That makes that makes sense right it's got to be around that no no i'll i'll give a real answer um i would say in today's money in today's money i would say 50 billion okay um all right you you wanted to say something go ahead and say something if you want to say okay so ask you more questions so this is this is the deal right now the the reason there's conspiracy theories and i had to

go through the van allen belt now the van allen belt has loads of radiation and they still think that they can't go through it now conspiracy theories still think they can't go through it now so that's one of the problems that they have they also think that stanley kubrick filmed the thing because he did uh odyssey 2000 or whatever the name was that space odyssey right there was also a brick a rock right that had a c on it that had a perfect c on it like it was a prop rock and it was turned onto its side now i'll let you know something about me i don't believe in conspiracy theories unless i watch them and then i believe them for about an hour and then someone shows me another video

and I stop believing in them. Okay. I believe whatever the last thing is I watched. So you've jumped ahead to conspiracy theories. Do you believe there really was a moon? No, I'm 95% sure we went to the moon. Now, my problem with this is this. Why don't we just go back again?

We've got the high def cameras and stuff we don't keep going back now also i don't ever get i know this is a silly thing i i think i i believe i've seen the actual thing land who was filming that was there just a was there was there like a selfie camera you saw it land on the moon i think i saw it come down did i that might have been a dream that That might have been the Ryan Gosling movie. I'm like those people that say they saw the first plane going to 9-11 on TV. You're like, who was watching that on TV? They were just filming it. The first man had, I thought, that was the highlight of the movie,

was the cinematography of the actual landing. I'm pretty sure they had some shots of it landing, but that's because it was a movie. That's right. So, so what happened was the, the, the,

the, the, the Eagle was on top of the rocket and it shot out and it orbited for a while and it landed. Now here's something, unless you've seen this movie or unless you're Australian and, and this dish is actually, um,

on one of my cousin's sheep farms, like pretty much right in a town called parks, on one of my cousin's sheep farms, like pretty much, right? In a town called Parks. The televised footage of the moon landing came from Australia because the Earth was in its axis and they only had to have a big dish

in the Southern Hemisphere and a big dish in the Northern Hemisphere. And so the information at that stage had to come through Australia. It was only manned by three blokes. And two days before the fucking thing landed, they lost it and they bullshitted to everyone that they still knew where it was they lost the coordinates they had a blackout so what they did was they just aimed their satellite at the moon until they locked on again like a couple of days before

that's very australian and they're in a sheep paddock in a small town. That's how history's made. Okay. So a couple more questions here. How many pounds of lunar rocks are on Earth? Do you know that? They would have brought back. I've seen one at the Space Museum in Washington. I've seen the Eagle as well.

I would say pounds. Oh, 25 pounds. 25 pounds, okay. And then how many... So after the first mission, how many more Apollo missions landed astronauts on the moon? I think I said six. So six total.

Yeah, six total. Six total landed on the moon. I'm sure about two because in Superman 2, they were on the moon and they were already there and that was like in the 80s so i don't know if that was accurate but i i don't i don't believe i don't believe there's ever been a woman on the moon um i believe there's still a flag up there i believe the moon has the sea of tranquility what's that oh it's a fucking what do you think it is it's like it's like uh it's a sea that you float around and you feel tranquil it's like it's like an Oh, it's a fucking, what do you think it is? It's like, it's like, it's a sea that you float around and you feel tranquil.

It's like a hot, it's like an ocean. No, it's not an ocean. I think, I don't think there's water up there. Okay. I don't think there's water. Okay. And, and, uh, uh, what else do you want to know? I know all this.

I'll just ask you a couple more questions. How far away is the moon? Oh, it's closer than the stars. How do you give directions to people to your house? Where's your house at? Closer than Vietnam. The moon is a stationary thing. Then we rotate and it stays still and we spin around.

And that's why it comes. So the moon is. Wait, the moon doesn't move? No. stays still and we spin around and that's why it comes and so the moon is wait the moon doesn't move no i do i do love how forrest asks questions like when you're really i'm just i'm just writing i know but you ask questions as if you're like haha idiot you got that wrong and it does shake i don't believe the moon moves no and the moon the moon looks different in the southern hemisphere it's upside down it looks more like a cat's face in australia than it does over there the craters are because you're flipped upside down yeah yeah but it's upside down so that's then

there's a different thing that it's upside down uh okay a couple more questions what is the moon made of like what it's well there's there's there's a myth about the cheese that's not i haven't said the distance yet the distance is oh yeah sorry sorry the distance is I'm going to say 20,000 miles that might be way up okay it could be like 200,000 miles

yeah well forget about the what it's made of yeah but they were they were traveling for days to get there right just a couple no I'm going to say more

it's 120,000 miles 120,000 yeah yeah I added 100 and it's made of cheese one no it's made of lunar rocks i'm not stupid lunar rocks it's yeah but i mean like what is it composed of like it's a gray dirt it's a gray dirt and it's and it's and it's and it's carbon everything's made of

carbon yeah right safe guess yeah it's it's a carbon-based thing. All right. No stucco. No, no, no. Don't be silly. And then one other thing. What would happen to the Earth if the moon didn't exist? We would lose our gravitational pull. No. Jack's shaking his head.

It could something to do with the tides. Waves. There'd be waves. It would be all tsunami. Be all tsunami all the time. That's my fucking nightmare. It would be all tsunami all the time. And it would be much darker at night.

I feel like we need to get our merch going and have a t-shirt that says all tsunami all the time. All right. I think that's it for now. We'll go over these questions and we'll add some other stuff in there yeah i think you pretty much crushed it the tsunami has really sealed it we have something to do with water and gravity and i'm sure the moon does things like if an asteroid's kind of come and hit it the gravitational pull them like i know that we need jupiter to

survive can you please finish that comment that no? No, because Jupiter is so fucking big, right? What happens is when there's like a meteorite, Jupiter's gravitational pull is so big that it pulls things away from the Earth. It actually saves the Earth. We need that in our solar system so that we don't become extinct. You didn't know that. We also lose our nightlight if the moon goes away. Yes, Jack would lose his nightlight.

He'd be scared. Wait, and you said asteroids? Or moon protects us from asteroids no jupiter does i changed my answer okay all right and also okay so the moon also we only have one other planets have more yeah and i i don't believe there's a planet with no i'm gonna say pluto has no moons because it's been delisted it has one oh it has it's about the same size they all have moons everyone has moons you need to have a moon okay it has five actually blue has five whoa jack you idiot just discovered by uh partially by uh the the lead singer uh the lead guitarist of queen actually brian b! Brian! Yeah, I forgot about that.

Brian May helped discover the extra moons of Pluto. Wow. So we're done with Jim explaining everything he knows about moon landing and the Apollo program. Thanks, Jim. This is what we're going to do now. Dr. Kevin Peter Hickerson, we are going to grade Jim on a scale of 1 through

10, 0 being the worst, 10 being the best. You're going to grade him on accuracy. Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm grading him on et cetera from now on. And we'll add those all up. And if you get a score between 21 and 30, we'll call you Buzz Aldrin. All right. I like Buzzy.

If you get a score between 11 and 20, Buzz Lightyear. Not terrible. If 0 through 10, Buzzkill. Those are good. All right. So, Dr. Kevin Peter, please give us a grade. Zero through 10, be fair and honest on Jim's accuracy of his knowledge of moon landings and the Apollo program. I did well, didn't I?

I'm going to give Jim a Buzz Lightyear. He actually got a lot of the ones right. You did well, didn't I? I'm going to give Jim a Buzz Lightyear. He actually got a lot of the ones right. He got the distance right. We're going to add them all together to get that score. So you've got to go zero through ten. Oh, I've got to do it. I can't just like – Kelly gives them zero through ten on confidence.

I do it center. You've got to do zero through ten on accuracy. You might be a doctor, but you're not in charge of the whole school. Your mask will suck. Oh, damn it. So zero through ten, what do you give him on accuracy? On accuracy, I would give him a six. Yeah!

Not bad. Not bad. It really helped that Australia had that dish. I saw you nodding your head and just going like that. I was like, wow, Jim. It's always an Australian. Jim's impressed a doctor. It's one of my favorite movies.

But if it weren't for the dish, he'd be like, we landed on the moon? That's like my favorite quote from Dumb and Dumber. We landed on the moon. All right, Kelly, zero through ten on confidence. I'm going to go seven on confidence. He felt like he knew his shit. Oh, zero through ten on confidence. I'm going to go seven on confidence. Seven. He felt like he knew his shit. I felt like I did, yeah, man.

Et cetera. Today I'm giving Jim a six. All right. That's not bad. So 12, 19, your Buzz Lightyear. Buzz Lightyear. We're not going to give you Buzz Aldrin. Buzz Aldrin's a national treasure. We couldn't make you that high.

But Buzz Lightyear's not bad, and you're on the high end of Buzz Lightyear, and he's a beloved. There was a scene in a movie that i really liked where it was another moon landing one where they land on the moon and just before they got off uh neil armstrong i don't know if this is correct neil armstrong like did a prayer and held like a little crucifix or something like that and like buzz aldrin just rolls his eyes like oh fucking this guy's from a movie yeah it's in one of the movies, one of the ones where they all land, and he's like, God, thank you.

All this science has gotten them there, and he's still fucking thank God. And then Buzz was like, fuck this guy. I don't reckon Buzz and Neil played cards or hung out afterwards. I think Buzz came back, and I think Buzz smashed pussy, man. Oh, for sure.

He sounds like a firecracker in everything I've read about him. Every time I see him punch someone, I think he just pussy, man. Oh, for sure. He sounds like a firecracker in everything I've read about him. Every time I see him punch someone, I think he just came back and walked out. Do you know anything about Buzz Aldrin smashing pussy? Do I personally? Yeah. I don't have any specific stories,

but I'm guessing that probably happened. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, let's go for a walk tonight. Hey, you see that? I've been there. Yeah. Hey, let's go for a walk tonight. Hey, you see that? I've been there. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so we're going to first question. Jim said that we're our first trip to the moon. Well, I guess Kelly gave it away. He said 1963 is wrong. Kelly told me. Yeah, that was way off. Yeah. So the reason, you know, it's way off is because the speech, he says, before the decade is out. And so it was really important to get – that actually helps you remember when the date was, that it was July 20th, 1969.

Because they really had to cram it in the last minute to make sure that they kept their promise. And did John F. Kennedy really enjoy it when he saw it? No, because he wasn't allowed to. That's the other hint. I thought I'd get a big laugh on that. You all left me balls out like, oh, no, Jim. I wasn't thinking about it. I had to be sad first.

I forgot when he died. Yeah, he died like in 1963 or something. Yeah, Nixon did the first famous phone call to the moon. So he congratulated the astronauts by calling up. There you go. And so Jim said the last trip to the moon. He congratulated the astronauts by calling up. Jim said the last trip to the moon. He said we went six times and the last trip was 1974. Is that correct? No.

It was December 1972. That's pretty close. It was three years that we did it. How many times did we go? Did we go six? Six trips. You got that one right. It was supposed to be seven landings. It was six

landings. There was nine total trips because Apollo 8 and Apollo 9 both circled the moon. That was to practice before doing the landing. So they went to the moon, but they came back and they didn't get out and actually land. So only landing so they went to the moon and they but they came back

and they didn't get out and actually land so only six landings occurred on the moon and but i did the same thing in tucson i got i got to tucson and went let's not get out of the car and now here's one i know jim got wrong uh he said he He said Apollo 1 had a chimp in it, and he also originally said Apollo 1 was the name of the rocket. So what happened with Apollo 1? Apollo 1 had a dog. The Russians used a chimp. Okay.

What happened with Apollo 1? Actually, so you got that backwards. So the Russians used a dog named Luna, and humans used a chimp. And if we hadn't used a chimp. Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You said humans used a chimp. And humans used a chimp. In if we hadn't used a chimp... Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You said humans used a chimp.

And humans used a chimp. In the United States. That's because Russians are bots. Yeah, whoa. Sorry. Those fucking androids in Russia. They used a chimp, and actually, John Glenn was really mad because he blames the fact

that they used a chimp instead of a human and why the Russians beat us with a human to space. Right. And that was Yuri Gagarin. I knew that. Oh, that was a question I was going to ask you. Yeah. I would have gotten that one. OK, well, that was on my list, but I forgot to ask that. So, wow, you would have been probably.

John Glenn was enraged that they used a chimp instead of him because he was like, ah, I'm just, you know, I can not push buttons if you want. Yeah, and then they sent Yuri Gagarin up, and then they went, but they still haven't sent a human. So... So Apollo 1, I mean, so what happened with Apollo 1 then? What was Apollo 1?

So actually my grandfather was friends with three of the astronauts, including Gus Grissom. And Apollo 1 was actually just a test of the capsule on the launch pad. It wasn't meant to ever launch. And unfortunately there was an electrical fire and uh all three astronauts died in apollo one and so that almost uh set the the mission back almost almost set it back i feel like it didn't set it back a bit you probably wish they used a chimp for that experiment after all because it didn't go well but the reason it caught on fire is because they had pure oxygen inside and after that they um they they stopped that practice of using pure oxygen now

they do a mix of oxygen and nitrogen because everything burns in oxygen yeah here's just an idea just a little bit of thing people don't like animal testing when they put makeup and stuff on chimps and all that but if we're already putting it in a spaceship why don't we test the fuck out of it like that's it for makeup yeah yeah like like get use out of the chimp multi-use the chimp like i want it looking like a two-bit five chimps one with blue eyeliner on just sitting up there with lipstick going up first woman so after spacex just spacex just launched uh americans from American soil again. And they waited until after the astronauts successfully made it to the International Space Station

to let people know that they've actually been testing rats on board their ships, their launches this whole time. And somehow nobody knew about that. What do you mean testing rats? Well, they had rats inside the capsules because they were sending cargo to the space station, but it wasn't human-rated yet. But it turns out they had been testing rats inside to make sure the thing didn't kill them on the way up. Put some lipstick on the rats.

Give them a new antidepressant, put some lipstick on them, and send them over there. Okay, so Jim said the first group of astronauts to land on the moon was neil armstrong buzz aldrin and joe finkel joe finkel who is the third it was actually michael collins still don't know who he is yeah he was the guy he yeah the sad thing about the moon landings is that um somebody always had to stay aboard the command module which was in orbit so they got to it was a really important part of the job,

but they didn't get to actually walk on the moon. That's some serious FOMO right there. You're just like sitting there looking at the moon. Who decides that? Do they decide between them or is there a government body who decides that? Like who decided that Neil would be first and Buzz would be second and Finkel would do the plane? Like who decided that? would be first and Buzz would be second and Finkel would do the plane? Who decided that?

It was very competitive, and there was a lot of jealousy and everything else. It's like comedy. Nobody knows how it's decided. Because Buzz Aldrin could have done something cool. When he landed, I don't know what he said, because this is one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind that's what neil armstrong said i should have put that in would have got half a point right and so so so he comes down he says that and then uh like

buzz should have gone i'm the first real man like said something like that i'm strong i'll just just go down and go well you're i'm strong i fucked your wife buzz had a habit of being that kind of guy that's part of why he's likeable but it also a lot of people think that's what cost him the chance to be the first person is that he was too much of a showboater and they were worried he would you know like he'd do a hang five or something you know so they actually deliberately didn't let him uh land first on the moon because they got they got suspicious when he kept on asking how he could get his dick out of this he was the first man he was the first man to pee on the moon so you're not oh yeah that's a fact that we were gonna if i wanted to whip it out just in

an emergency is there a zipper or something i did read about it a little bit and they were saying that neil armstrong was known for being this really humble person and buzz really really wanted to be the first person but he also was the one who had to like tinker with all the buttons and shit like that and that seat wasn't closest to the door so it would have been like more of a i like that you said you're right on board with fluffing now tinkering you had to tinker with the buttons you give the rocket a little hand job. What is this, the moon roof? Tinkering around.

Ooh, seat warmers. You can turn the mirrors with this little button. What's that? Neil Armstrong did the actual landing. He had to override the computer in the last minute because it was such a small computer. It ran out of memory. It was giving a bunch of alarms. It was out of memory it was giving some a bunch of

alarms it was an android and rather than like cancel the mission he had to fly by hand and he had to um use up extra fuel just to keep them to from crashing into a crater so he kind of earned it at that last minute he was a really good pilot so by the way just speaking of buzz aldrin his his bio on Twitter is, you can't have a better bio than this, I don't think. His bio is Gemini 12 and Apollo 11 astronaut and moonwalker, West Point, United States Air Force colonel,

Korean war vet, MIT founder, Human Space Flight Institute founder. It's like mic drop. Won the world championship in poker. All right, fuck, marry, kill. Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins. Okay, this is easy. This is easy.

You fuck Buzz Aldrin because he'd do it right. He'd do it right. He'd do it right. He'd know some tricks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you kill Neil Armstrong. Boring. Boring.

I was not expecting that. No, no, you kill. And you marry Finkel. Because you could walk all over Finkel for the rest of your life. That's a good point. That's a good point. Oh, yeah, you could talk down to him. Oh, yeah.

Like when he'd be getting up. Finkel, stay in the car. Who didn't make it on the moon? Yeah, Finkel, drop me off at this park and just drive around, around, around. While I play. All right. Poor Michael Collins. off at this at this park and just drive around around around why i play all right for michael collins i wonder if he does have any schools is he still alive michael collins is buzz still the last man standing yeah i think michael collins is dead i gave up i think i told you i gave buzz aldrin a seat on a plane one time right i have a book signed by him it's pretty cool yeah you you met him on a plane i got i got bumped up to first class and i'm sitting in the seat and there's this there's a

seat next to me and a seat across the aisle both empty and there's a woman talking to the guy sitting next to the seat across the aisle i have my headphones on he says whatever she turns to me taps me on the shoulder and says hey would you mind switching seats because my boss is sitting over there and i don't want to talk across the aisle the whole time i was like sure i don't care you know it's like i got bumped up it doesn't matter you're next to a winner or not so i go over there i sit down and she goes yeah um yeah uh but and this is what happened i go where's your boss and she goes he's in the cockpit and i was like who the hell's your boss that's in the cockpit of the airplane and she goes it's buzz aldrin and i was like what i was like it's buzz on she goes yeah she goes yeah i'll get him to sign a book

for you and whatever and i was like oh my god that's amazing and i also thought like if you are buzz aldrin you get to just walk into any cockpit at any time that you want and no one's gonna say shit and that he came up there and he signed a book it says thanks for the move buzz aldrin's mission to mars book i have it was just really cool but it's like i just meeting him in person he is like i don't know how old he's in his 80s now or something like he he'll kick your ass still like he's that video where he punches that guy you do not want to mess with him he's a tough person

Michael Collins is still alive what food did he order? I didn't notice actually I would have just been going INFINITY AND BEYOND I didn't want to bother him too much but there was a world where I thought we'd be friends Kelly just told us that Michael Collins was still alive and we didn't even to bother him too much, but I did. There was a world where I thought we'd be friends after that.

Kelly just told us that Michael Collins was still alive, and we didn't even acknowledge it at the moment. Just a second ago, we went, he's probably dead. This is how little press this guy gets. He's still alive, and we didn't give a shit. I only wanted to fact check it because we get comments of people being like, that's so not true. And it's like, you're not supposed to learn anything from this podcast leave us alone oh you learn a little bit okay so jim said uh we took man missions to the moon um as part of the space

race he did say we used area 51 technology not sure about that well that you can't prove that you can't prove that um he said i can't confirm or deny that one so i gave that one a pass what happens was if you watch Ancient Aliens, originally the aliens helped out the Nazis, and they made a whole lot of things, and then we stole. Now, here's one for you I would have gotten a point for. We don't get to the moon without a Nazi. Our number one.

Don't say it so excited. I'm not excited, but I learned this. I learned this. I learned this. I watched a documentary. There was the number one professor at uh nasa was a nazi who we took after the war and said oh you won't go on trial we need you is that close yes that's absolutely true um uh yeah it was uh we we used the v1 the v2 technology from the nazis um developed by um von braun all right oh wait hold on they'll fact check you

winner von braun sorry and uh my grandfather actually worked with him and he fought also fought in world war ii but before he worked at nasa yeah he didn't really appreciate working with an ex-nazi and uh and your grandfather didn't he didn't my grandfather yeah oh so it was like a thing like they really didn't know how he absolutely had a lot you know he even during world war ii he was really thinking ahead and very much wanted to use space travel for for good i guess but he was not allowed to do that under the Nazi party. A fun fact about this is that NASA set up this project to develop the moon using Nazi rocket scientists. It was called Project Paperclip or Operation Paperclip,

and it was originally set up in Alabama, and von Braun eventually left Alabama because he said he found found uh the racial tensions he decided that he thought alabama was too racist for him whoa he really liked the u.s but he's like alabama you're just taking it too far when you have a nazi call you out for racism check yourself yeah that would be that that was what they did in their 1960s a chamber of commerce ad they're like too racist for nazis come on in now now it was he was

a he was going to be a major war criminal like he was going to be trialed and everything wasn't he he wasn't just one of the nazis they were going to let go and and without his actual prowess or information that's how he bought his way in. Yeah, all the rocket scientists went through a lot of effort to make sure that they were captured by the Americans and not the Soviets for that reason. And they knew that whoever captured them was going to want their technology. And so they actually abandoned their post a few days before they were eventually captured. And they went off and and hid waiting for the americans to rescue them basically from from the russians and then

they came up and went i am rocket the man well this would be a good actually a good counterpoint to this i never saw the movie with uh of the black women that they said that were helped helped respond to was that for the moon landing? They did all the math. What was the name of that movie? Hidden Figures? Hidden Figures, yeah. They did all the mathematics. That's true as well? Was that movie accurate? It's like, it was Kevin Costner in that movie. I haven't fact-checked that movie,

but there were definitely a lot of African-Americans that helped with the process. Wow. There was over 400,000 people, and a lot of black scientists and other workers of all kinds worked on the project. And of course, have we had a black person on the moon? I doubt it.

We have not had a black person on the moon. We haven't had a woman on the moon. You're right about that. Well, I'm happy about one of those things. You were happy that you got that right. so the the next landing on the moon uh artemis which is scheduled for uh 2024 is supposed to uh or artemis one um we're supposed to have the first woman land on the moon here we go here's a fun one for you here's a fun one that i know now you don't know this about me because i i don't speak about it often, but my parents were massive John Denver fans.

And I've seen John Denver in concert about six or seven times, right? He also died in a plane. He was on the original list of five people to be on the Challenger flight that exploded, and he was replaced when they were going to send a civilian for the first time into space, and they chose an educator instead, but they were going to send a civilian for the first time into space and they chose an educator instead, but they were going to send John Denver. And then John Denver wrote a song the next day called She Was Flying For Me.

There you go. A little bit of John Denver. Oh, it's a song about how he was supposed to die. Yeah, yeah. Wow. And he wrote it that day and it was on the news that night called She Was Flying For Me. I'm telling you.

So John Denver was meant to be on the plane that exploded. Imagine what we would have lost. Those last two albums um jim said that i asked how many people watched the moon landing on tv said 1.8 billion i know that that's wrong i have the figure here um it was it's estimated to be a little bit over half a billion so you're ballpark right it was a lot of people still pretty good considering television wasn't a big thing anybody watching in kenya though yeah and how long they were yes they were everyone watching every country in the world now obviously yeah they're not everybody had a lot of televisions but um my parents were actually in india rural india at the time in the peace corps and they watched it on tv there um where everybody got together and watched it

i gotta say something your family's awesome i know right your dad's working on spaceships your parents are in the peace corps my parents were just holding out for the pension um the total cost of the man moon landing program jim originally said 700 realized that was wrong and said 50 billion by today's standards um i have 153 billion by today's standards as close as it does still a ton of 25 billion at the time i think 20 yeah sorry it's an expensive iphone yeah there you go and then i mean part of that was that it employed 400,000 Americans. So, you know, it costs a lot of money to employ that many people. And a lot of that technology, in fact, I would say, overwhelmingly, the majority of that technology, we're still using today. So I think actually, it's been estimated that as an investment, if you looked at it, like an investor putting money into a company, it paid off by several trillion. So payback to the US is actually pretty big as in terms of a technological investment. Some of the things that we got out of it was like hydrogen fuel cells. We got LED like displays out of it. We got computer technology

out of it, radio technology. We got the ability to uplink signals to different countries, including Australia. So that was one of the major accomplishments. So today we're still using a lot of this stuff. And a lot of times we don't even realize it came out of that program. Plus it had to be expensive to pay 400,000 people to keep the secret that we didn't actually go to the moon. Here's something that's just dawned on me that I don't know. Did Russia ever go? Or did they just call it a day? Russia actually first landed on the moon. They just didn't land people.

They landed a robot, several robots called the Lunas. Sorry, the Luna 9 through 24 all landed on the moon. And those were small robot like rover thingies and um yeah they were robots and they landed as early as 1958 so that was one of the reasons why we were really eager to the u.s was really eager to actually send a human because they knew that you know just like we all forgot michael collins everybody forgets the robots too what is a russian robot let me come over here i am robot in space i do not require vodka um and now and now china has landed on the moon also 19 in 2013 and india attempted to land last year and unfortunately they lost their lander right before the balloon popped but wait they were they were trying to land on the moon

with people india with with no no just unmanned robot got it and they lost contact with the rover with the with the old um the flag that's up there is it still standing has it fallen over and can we see it uh it's still standing you can we can see a a little bit of evidence that it's there. But what we don't know is that a lot of people think that it's been photo bleached, meaning that because it's in the ultraviolet radiation of the sun and there's no ozone layer, there's no atmosphere. A lot of people think if you put out a piece of plastic out in the sun eventually it gets uh photo bleached so we think it's actually just probably looks like a like a white flag or a very a very uh um you know pale american flag so i guess those colors those colors do run so that that we we briefly touched on it right now again so let's just talk about conspiracy theories all right i'll tell you what

so jim said that he 95 is sure we went to the moon. He mentioned Stanley Kubrick. He mentioned some sort of brick with a C on it. That's all bricks, a lot of brick stuff. There was a rock, a rock with a C. A rock with a C. With a perfect C in it. What does that mean, though?

It looks like it could have been a prop like there in the C section to put them over in that stage. And someone put it up on the wrong side. All right. So, and I've, I've, so why, I mean, I think it's been proven that like in 2011 or something, they said they proved that we went to the moon for these idiots that they had to waste money doing that to prove it. But why was all these conspiracy theories? Why? What's the Stanley Kubrick one? Stanley Kubrick filmed it. say that? Because 2011 came out, sorry, 2001 came out the same, the year before the landing. And he did an amazing job of producing it.

Yeah, Stanley Kripik. So they just said, oh, he did it? Yeah, he filmed it. But he was also a perfectionist, so he did film it. It was live and on set and on location. Yeah, he filmed it. And also, there's two mountains that look exactly the same and they were driving around in their buggy right that little car that little car

they're driving around their car i don't know which landing that was but they're driving around the car and they said that they traveled like 20 miles or something and then the scenery was exactly the same and they said they were in two different positions yeah but mountains takes a lot even if you drive here the mountains don't know it was meant to be from different there was something skwiff about that no good no good wait so you don't believe we went to the moon it depends what documentary i watch he's pretty clear about that there's there's some things there's some things in those documentaries that make you go oh yeah that's why they make them they wouldn't make a documentary they were like guys this is all bullshit like there's some some reflection in a this is all bullshit. It's a weak argument.

And there's some reflection in a helmet, and there's a photograph back to the thing, and there's no reflection or something. There's a photograph of the Earth or something that's too perfect. It shouldn't be. Do we need to get Buzz Aldrin to punch you in the face? Look, I think we landed, but there's a little bit of me that I enjoy a good conspiracy theory.

There's the image where it's like the image has plus marks on it, but one of the pluses goes behind the flag a little bit of me that I enjoy a good conspiracy. There's the image where it's like the image has like plus marks on it, but the plot, one of the pluses goes behind the flag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of the plus, why is the plus mark go behind the flag?

Why did the flag wave in the wind? There's no wind up there. Have you considered we weren't using 4k cameras back then when we went to the moon too? Like there was shit. I imagine the cameras that they had on the moon were the shittiest cameras. It actually has a scientific explanation.

Um, when light passes, when bright light passes over a dark line it diffracts around that dark line and so it actually blurs out the dark line so if you take a picture of a photograph of a very bright object with a very hairline black line on it you'll you'll actually not be able to see the black line in front but also wasn't there something to do with the shadows being in different directions? Like it was in a studio, there was too many lights? Yeah, there's been people who have reconstructed it in 3D and all the shadows seem to be consistent with the... I actually saw that proven to be incorrect on Mythbusters,

so I have to believe it. I feel bad for the scientists that have to do this. The shadow one is the most confusing to me because if you think Stanley Kubrick did it, why would he mess up the lighting? Right. It's gotta be, it's gotta be infuriating to have been to the moon and then have people who have never been there. Talk about how a picture would be taken up there.

It's like, you have no idea. That's why Buzz Aldrin punched. That's one of my favorite videos ever. But I've, I've never been to Spain, but I told people I have. Okay. continuing on. I have, though. We already did that one. The Stella flag, yes. That sea of tranquility you said is not a sea, correct?

It's not a sea. It's just a dusty sort of river-y type shape. It's a canyon. It's a canyon. Maybe it's that sea rock you were talking about. So it's actually a lava field. It's an ancient lava field from billions of years ago. It was formed when a very, very large piece of the solar system collided with the moon.

And it basically melted large chunks of the lunar surface. And it formed a liquid. So that's why it has a sea-like look. Because it's relatively flat compared to the other parts of the moon which are have more mountains and and more uh seismic activity from when the moon was younger is there any dark areas they're called seas is there and when you see it like you mentioned in seeing it in australia seeing it upside down really what we always see is the seas and and then the mountains those are the only two things we can pick out with our eyes. So in Australia, the seas look different because they're on the, you know,

we're standing upside down. And so you see a different view. It looks more like a face in Australia, like the man in the moon. We have the face shape when you're the upside down face. Yeah, it looks like a face in Australia. Is there anything we can mine on the moon? Is there any mineral or something that if we went like Armageddon, where they take up Bruce Willis with a drill? Ben Affleck. Right, and Ben Affleck.

Is there any resource that we could take out of the moon, or would that be a terrible idea? Absolutely there is. So I think if I'll just jump ahead to what the moon is made of, that's okay. So the moon is made of basalt and basalt is ancient lava. And it's the same thing that the Earth's crust is made of. And this is actually one of the things that conspiracy theorists use to say that the moon rocks are fake is because the Earth and the moon actually used to be one object and the moon was not free. actually used to be one object and the moon was was not free and so some people get upset when they see the moon rocks because they really do resemble the earth's crust quite a bit so but that's because they they were made it they were separated billions of years ago when you say it was not free was it an attachment on the side like did the earth look like a snowman or was it like in the ocean as its own country and then it just exploded out? No, the leading theory is that a small planet about the size of Mars or smaller called Theia impacted the Earth very early on in the solar system.

And the resulting impact ejected huge amounts of magma and crust and everything. And it eventually formed two separate objects. and crust and everything. And it eventually formed two separate objects. All the little debris of one side collected on the moon and stayed in orbit, and the rest fell back down to Earth. And can you speak on the Van Allen Belt? Was I sort of right on that? You got it.

Yeah, so certainly there is a lot of radiation in space, and the astronauts were exposed to a lot of radiation, but it wasn't enough to kill them. But it's what's given Buzz Aldrin his superhuman strength. Yeah. So it's absolutely true that there is a cancer risk from going into space and that your cells do get exposed to radiation,

but it's not so bad. And we'll see that again when people go back to the moon. I mean, they'll live on the moon and there really won't be much of a problem. Yeah, because my ex is dating. Is that why they'll live on the moon and there really won't be much of a problem yeah because my my ex is that why they'll live on the moon live did you say live the new plan is to stay on the moon and live on it the way that astronauts live on the space station right now that's the that's the artemis mission forrest has an excellent story though oh no i was just gonna say my ex is dating a current astronaut and and she had mentioned when i were still friends

and she had mentioned that that is one of the concerns of him continuing to go to space is, I guess your bones can get weaker over time and different, yeah. She broke up with Forrest because she didn't want a long-distance relationship. It's true. She didn't want a long-distance relationship, and then she starts dating a guy in space. I mean, to be fair, it's deeper than that. But to be fair, it's deeper than that but yes but to be fair it's

deeper than that yes but also it i you know i have to admit it's an upgrade you're dating an astronaut versus me i mean oh yeah yeah you know joe acosta yeah he's he's yes if there's anything to mine on the moon so um mostly the basalt is is not very useful except to the astronauts who go there because they can mine it and then turn that into things that they can use like oxygen and possibly even water and um and materials to be used in a 3d printer to build like a chair or a building or something like that so that stuff's useful but there's another thing on the moon which we think will be useful eventually and this is important to me as a nuclear physicist there's's something called helium three on the moon. This was even a plot of in space force, I think with my co-host, Jimmy O. Yang, who joined this show, space war. So one of the things you use helium three for

is you can use it in medicine. It's really useful in medicine here on earth, but it's extremely rare on earth. There's almost none of it. If we go to the Moon, we actually potentially mine that and then bring it back. It's right on the surface of the Moon. There's tons of it. It's just a weird picture of the fact that Earth has almost none of it and the Moon has tons of it.

That's pretty valuable. Then there's some other crystals you can make on the Moon that you can't make here on Earth because you can't make a vacuum good enough. Hold on. It's like your sound. You've gone a little muffled. You got muffled for a second. Oh.

No, you're back again. You're back. You're back. So helium-3, there's another use for it. What was it? Or another something? So there's another use for helium-3, which is that we could potentially use it in fusion reactors. So this might actually be the power of the future once we can figure out

how to make that useful. So 100 years from now, we might be mining helium-3 on the moon and powering everything around the solar system on Earth with helium-3. Do you believe in UFOs and do you believe they're visitors? I believe in aliens. I haven't seen any evidence that we met any i would i'd like to has any astronauts said we saw something not that i know of no i've heard pilots say that but what about that that footage that came out they released it right at the beginning of the coronavirus and they were like yeah here's some ufo i mean they were ufos like they didn't know

what they were but yeah they were definitely u they were definitely UFOs. I think those were hypersonic missiles being tested. I've seen a UFO. Where did you see a UFO? I saw a UFO strangely enough, pretty much all over Vegas, the Grand Canyon area, flying in a plane.

I saw one out of the side of the plane and it was a ball like E.T.'s one. I saw it with a the side of the plane and it was a ball like E.T.'s one and I saw it with a whole lot of other people you sure it wasn't Chris Angel? well I don't believe that I saw

an alien spacecraft I think I saw an unidentified flying object I think I saw something that they were testing in that area, they do test planes out there sure, yeah no no yeah i was agreeing with you the video that you saw the the ufos flying um in in that that came out right recently that video was actually taken in an area that is marked on aeronautical maps for pilots that is specifically designated as a testing area for the government

so to believe that it was an alien spaceship you'd have to think that aliens decided that of all the places to go visit on earth they're just going to go to where they're also testing really advanced spacecraft i find it amazing kind of weird i find it maybe amazing that aliens always seem to visit America. They always go, we'll go to America to do it. Number one, baby. I would like to see the stats on that. I would like to see if there are stats that you have more UFO sightings here in America than you do in, say, Africa or Australia or Europe or wherever.

I just love the idea that aliens would come here and abduct the most fucking annoying people in the country as opposed to interesting people or celebrities. Like it's always some redneck somewhere. Yep. I'm up for being abducted. Well, you gotta get that word right. Abducted.

Just, just the alien probe. Okay. What last thing, as far as what we talked about with Jim, I asked him what would happen if there was no moon. He said we would lose gravitational pull and tsunamis all the time. All tsunamis.

All tsunamis all the time. Dark at night. Dark at night. So I think that one he got backwards. So the moon and the sun create the tides. In fact, just recently, this weekend, we had a solar eclipse followed by a lunar eclipse and also a storm. And that caused the sea to actually overwash the beaches in Orange County. And that's caused by whenever the sun and the moon are on the same side of the earth or the opposite side of the earth, you get the strongest tides.

Now, if there was no moon, moon though we'd have weaker tides we would just have tides that followed the sun and they would be every day basically just there would be a daily thing where the tide comes in at noon and then it goes down and then it comes back at midnight and it would be very regular so just be one one one got it yeah there's two high tides that brings us to the moon doesn't move. Oh, yeah. The moon doesn't move. We forgot about that. Yeah, the moon doesn't move.

That's what Jim said. Yeah, is that my correct? Yeah, I give that a half. That's half right. Okay, so the moon doesn't rotate with respect to the Earth, but it does rotate about its axis. It just does it at the same time that it orbits the Earth, which is one month. So the moon is always facing the Earth, which is one month so um so the moon is always

facing the earth which is why we don't see it spin around the way the earth does so the earth spins around once a day but the moon is always facing and that's caused by something called tidal locking so the moon we also exert tides on the moon but the difference is uh the moon when it was made out of lava went back when it was still molten inside uh we exerted much stronger tides so the strong the tides were so strong that they caused the moon to basically slow down completely and uh face us all the time and so this happens sometimes with other planets too with their moons where they're tidally locked to the planet that they're orbiting so if the moon was made of lava before like could have there been been life on the moon many millions of years ago, like some lava bugs?

Lava bugs. It's not impossible. The moon was known to have an atmosphere very briefly for a few times in its history. It's really small, though. So the sun blows off the atmosphere. It doesn't really have a strong enough gravity to keep an atmosphere for a long time. But there's a lot of evidence that it did have an atmosphere very briefly for a few million years and possibly uh at a few other times in its history um right now the atmosphere is so thin

though that when the astronauts took off from the moon the gas from their the the rockets actually doubled the density of the atmosphere of the moon very briefly. So that eventually blew up. We can fuck the moon up like we fucked the Earth up. We can go up there with a lot of spaceships and we can fuck up the atmosphere of the moon. Absolutely. Oh, good. Okay.

I was worried we'd run out of things to fuck up. No, no. That's what we're planning. There's a whole universe of that out there. So here, i put this in the document that i sent to you um but these are some i call them fun facts facts that uh i would say kelly found most of these i just copied and pasted them but uh yeah she said well i mentioned that i want to i want to see if are all these true like these are like some of

these that like this one neil armstrong and buzz aldrin had to remember not to close the door on the eagle lunar lander because it had no outside door handle that one freaked me i still have anxiety about that why wouldn't you put that in on the moon like go like with 150 billion close the door yeah they got to 150 billion dollars worth of spending and they rang the government and said we need another five bucks and they rang the government and said, we need another five bucks. And they go, no, you've maxed out. Well, yeah, for us, they were texting us. That's a good question. So it wasn't the cost, it was the weight.

So the more weight you put on this thing, the less likely you are to get off the moon. So everything had to be stripped down to its bare essentials. So another thing they didn't have on the first moon landing was a place to sleep. And it was extremely uncomfortable. If you listen to Buzz Aldrin talk about it, they basically had to sort of like coordinate themselves in these like little hanging hammocks that they're right next to each other.

And it was incredibly loud and uncomfortable. And they improved that a little bit on the other ones. But, you know, there really weren't a lot of creature comforts in there. And they were so well trained that just remembering to do something like not close the door was something that was just drilled into their heads. They did it over and over where they made that mistake on the ground where they practiced every single thing they did. They had a setup where there was dust and they would walk around and collect moon rocks and practice the landing. And so the odds that they were going to forget that just wasn't going to. Here's something I'm fascinated by.

I'm fascinated by this with planes as well. Did the Eagle have a key? Was there a key you had to put in the ignition? Did anyone ever go, oh, fuck, we have to schedule a landing, fucking buzz, let's let the keys. Yeah, was there a key? No, there wasn't a key. That's a feature I'd add.

Have a key so people can't nick it. Here was another thing from that. That would have been a great Russian twist, though, if the Russians had just jumped in and hijacked the rocket and landed first using our rocket. Here's another one. It said Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin almost died on the moon due to a faulty switch, jacked the head of the rocket and landed first using our rocket um here's another one it said uh neil armstrong and buzz aldrin almost died on the moon due to a faulty switch due to which they were

unable to blast off into lunar orbit buzz aldrin fixed the issue by jamming a pen into the broken switch that's like is that true and what and what type of pain was it was it a beak buzz macgyver Buzz MacGyver Aldrin. That's true. And also Apollo 11 was struck by lightning while it was taking off in midair. It passed through a thunderstorm. It got struck by lightning and it took out the flight computer. And it almost that almost killed the astronauts at Apollo 12. They very, very quickly, one guy and only one person in the entire control room remembered that there was a switch that allowed you to switch over to the auxiliary computer. And the astronauts didn't even know what that switch was for, but he still told them to do it. They switched it.

They saved the mission. It sounds like you're describing every flight I've had on Spirit Airlines. I agree. So how long was Finkel up in the other spaceship by himself for? What's this? Michael Collins. How long was Finkel up in the other spaceship by himself for? What's that? Michael Collins. How long was Finkel up in the other spaceship? Michael Collins, yeah.

How long was he there? Like orbiting. Orbiting. For Apollo 11, one day. They made longer missions later when they went back. Wait, so they were on the surface for one day? Yeah. Is it documented if Finkel had a wank like he must have if you're just alone in

the spaceship just orbiting around and they're walking around you are fuck you guys well i think they would have heard it at mission control there's probably cameras in there he's like what are you doing plus he said he couldn't bring the lotion it's all weight weight oriented i dry hand it all the time you measured the door handle on the outside apollo one didn't even have a handle on the inside and that was also one of the contributing factors to the fire oh well they died the astronauts themselves couldn't get out of the capsule they had to have the engineers outside unbolt them and it took a really long time that's part of they changed that after that mission because i would have gotten to the moon real quicker if you had me in charge of nasa

we would have gotten to the moon by 1962 i fucking tell you i would have started i would have started put a handle on it put a handle on it give him somewhere to sleep give him somewhere to sleep also cup holders yeah give finkel some some him somewhere to sleep. Also cup holders. Yeah. Give Finkel some lotion. Yeah. And some magazines. Yeah. Cup holders would have been good. Here's another one.

The astronauts apparently had a lot of arguments with engineers all the time over just that kind of thing where the astronauts were like, you can't have this here and you can't not have a door handle. What was the- One of them was a window. They had to fight over a window the astronauts demanded a window and the engineers didn't want to what was the meal they ate the day they landed what was the meal they ate oh on the moon or back in earth you mean no no when they

were on space and finkels up in the plane they had space food in and out dude no no probably something in a bag with a straw yeah that's about all there's these things in australia called space food sticks and they come in caramel and chocolate and i freeze dried right and i used to have them i used to have them in me lunch every day a space food stick and they come in a little silver packet and i was always led to believe that's all they ate in space you them and you you got and? I just found it from Google. Canadian bacon, scallop potatoes, vegetables,

pork and beef. That's a pretty nice meal. That's a nice meal. Let's go to Space Guy. They basically blended it up into a mush, so I think they couldn't really tell. They had it like a slurpee. This is a two-parter so the one this one says neil armstrong carried a piece of the

white right brother's 1903 flyer with him to the moon um but then also i read that it was on a different flight i guess it was apollo 15 yeah the astronauts brought 400 stamps i guess it was unbeknownst to nasa with them to moon in hopes of selling them when they returned to, quote, set up trust funds for their kids. Like these stamps were on the moon and they were never allowed to fly again because of this. So I guess they were doing some sort of they were going to do some sort of scam. These stamps were on the moon. I think that's bullshit though. If they're risking their lives to go to the moon, give them a little.

Yeah, but also these stamps were on the moon, whatever. Just sell your shoes. Yeah. They're already going with you. You got you got an outfit. Or don't bring the stamps and just say that they were on the moon yeah you're just blind yeah um and there's another one on here but i don't know if you were gonna use this as a dinner party fax i'm gonna wait for that one i'm not sure if you the one we had talked about yesterday or if you um yeah that was the buzz

kelly said it earlier but i don't know if anyone caught it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I did want to say that as my fact. Okay, we'll talk about that after. There are two facts that are related. So first of all, whatever somebody said. We'll get to that. I just want to set that up.

So this is the Dinner Party Facts. This is the part of the show where the expert gives us, you're going to give us one fact, obscure, interesting, that the audience can use to impress people with their knowledge about this subject for the moon landing. So please give us those fact obscure interesting that the audience can use to impress people with their knowledge about this subject for the moon landing so please give us those facts okay so uh even so first of all no man on the moon he gets really upset because he says there were two people who landed on the moon him and neil armstrong they landed at the same time. Right. But Neil Armstrong was the man to first step off and walk on the moon.

But Buzz Aldrin had the honor of being the first man to pee on the moon. But that... I'm sure, like you said, he wanted to figure out how to get it out and draw a pattern like right out Buzz was here or something. How did he get his urine outside his suit?

He didn't. He just peed outside his suit? He didn't. He just peed in his suit. But he told him, like, I'm peeing. No, he wanted to. Yeah, that's what I envision in my head is he takes his dick out and starts peeing on the moon. But then he had to sit in his pee suit the whole way back, or did he change?

No, no. He has a whole complicated, like, machine that takes that all, takes care of all that. What was the mission when they hit the golf ball i always hear the golf ball was hit i don't know was there a golf ball yeah there was that was a paul 11 but yeah the longest the longest hit ball on earth was done on the moon blah blah they always use that stat but so they couldn't bring stands but they bring in fucking golf clubs no but it was approved. Yeah, it was approved.

And part of the reason is because that still stands as the longest drive of a golf ball in human history. Because you simply cannot hit a golf ball that far. Oh, it was Apollo 14. Apollo 14, Alan Shepard. Alan Shepard, that's right. Fifth man to walk on the moon and the first and only to play golf there. He hit two balls during the Apollo 14 mission. And how far?

Yeah, so a golf ball goes more than six times further on the moon than it does on Earth. As a combination of the fact that there's no atmosphere to slow it down. I'd still only get 200 yards. I know, right? Yeah, we'd shank it and hit the ship or something. Yeah, there'd be a smashed window. Sorry, everyone.

Four. Somebody calculated that an expert lunar golfer who hit the ball at precisely the right speed and angle could make a two-and-a-half-mile shot. Somebody said that, but I don't know. It doesn't say. Oh, wait. I don't know.

I don't have it on here exactly how far. Anyway, they hit the ball very far. If there's not a top golf location on the moon in the next five years. I'm going to be pissed. And then you said, another fun fact is that all the pictures of people getting off the lunar lander is not Neil Armstrong. There's no photos of him getting off because there was no camera set up

other than the video camera attached that everybody saw him walk off in a very green uh you know like a grainy photo a video that we all you know all these millions of people watch but the actual photographs the full color photographs are all of buzz coming off because he uh neil armstrong had time to get his camera out and film that so if you ever see somebody climbing down the ladder not on a black and white TV, then you're not seeing Neil Armstrong. That's such a buzz move. That's such a buzz move.

Take a picture of me. Was I correct that the blokes in Australia lost the spaceship for a few days? Yeah. Give him credit. That's what he said. He said that's what got you the six, man. Isn't that amazing? But really, they just aimed it at the moon?

Like, this works. They kept on lying to NASA, going, oh, yeah, we've got it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. And then they just aimed at the moon. Then one time, the radio signal just came back in. And they were like, ah. Just messing with the antennas on an old TV.

Oh, wait. There was one more thing I read about how the original tape was taped over by NASA. In 2006, NASA admitted that they no longer had the original videotapes of the moon landing because they recorded over them. That's such a my parents thing to do. No. You pull the lugs out.

It's just like a grainy soft core porn on top of it. You're like, fuck. Someone's like, this is an episode of Family Ties. That also fueled a lot of conspiracy theories, of course, because a lot of the original footage is missing. And who would believe that they would have the ability to record over that? Who messed this up? Or is it just sitting on somebody's desk?

What the fuck is going on? It's taped over there. What fucking moral? The EPS used to cost a lot more than it does now. It's not like now where we tweet out every photo of everything we're eating for breakfast that day you know back then it was a big deal that tape record what could be more important though than the moon landing yeah oh my god notre dame game all right uh dr kevin peter hickerson thank you so much for being with us uh today thank you kevin that was very good reiterate uh that his podcast

called surely you're joking i'm sure it's available on all podcast platforms correct and uh yeah created with jimmy o yang from space force you mentioned so there's another tie-in to it um and it's a great podcast so uh please listen to that subscribe to that surely you're joking featuring a noble prize winner scientists and comedians and obviously dr kevin peter hickerson also by the way really really quickly, the quote is actually, he actually said one small step for ah man. But it's just been misquoted this entire

time. The audio dropped out a little bit. Kind of like on this internet. They're using Zoom. All right, Kevin, Dr. Kevin Peter Iggerson. Sorry, I All right, Kevin. Dr. Kevin Peter Ickeson. Sorry, I always call you Kevin.

But thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Thanks, Dr. Kev. All right. So this part of the show called I Do Know About This. Three questions on a topic or questions on a topic that Jim says he does know about it,

or at least he thinks he does, so we will see. So for 4th of July, and you had mentioned this in a previous podcast, the Post Office podcast, you knew that Benjamin Franklin was the first Postmaster General of the United States because of your citizenship test. So we decided to ask you some questions from the citizenship test again. Great. To see.

You're already a citizen. You can't lose it. I don't think you can lose it if you get these on. You know you study for something, and then as soon as you do it, you shake it out of your head. Yeah, exactly. You're like, don't need that anymore. We'll start with some what I think are easy ones.

What is one, only one, right or freedom from the First Amendment? Freedom of speech. Okay, yeah, or religion, assembly, press, petition. All right, I told you the first one's easy. Name one U.S. territory. Guam. Guam. Can you name another? America U.S. territory. Guam. Guam. Can you name another?

America, Samoa. That's pretty good. U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and then Northern Mariana Islands. No one gives a shit about those. I know what that is. How many amendments does the Constitution have? Oh, 27? Fucking A. All right. that's pretty good um you've already gotten three right but uh i'm gonna

ask you this one's even harder when was the constitution written um the declaration of independence was that saying the constitution was written um i'm gonna say 1784 87 pretty good and then this one is a little bit more timely just due to the washington redskins probably I'm going to say 1784. 87. Pretty good. And then this one is a little bit more timely just due to the Washington Redskins probably changing their name finally. They're fucking crazy that that's still a name. This is on your test that you might have to name one. They only ask you to name one. This is how little we care about Native Americans.

Name one American Indian tribe in the United States. The Samuels, Navajo, Cherokee. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Cherokee, Navajo, Sioux, Chippewa, Chalk, Wapaboa. I play the United States. The Samuels, Navajo, Cherokee. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Cherokee, Navajo, Sioux, Chippewa, Chukwa, Poblo, Apache. I play the casinos. Creek, Blackfeet, Seminole, Chimorango. There's not one Redskin in here, believe it or not. That's not an actual tribe in a name.

Caesar's Palace. You know what's crazy about the Washington Redskins is, like, basically all the sponsors are forcing them to change the name finally, and then they're like, we're going to put together a committee to investigate this. And it's like, what? Investigate what? To see if Redskins is really offensive.

It's offensive. Yeah, of course it is. If you wouldn't be happy with a football team called the Munich Jews. Yeah. It's the same thing. It's a genocided race of people. If you have them, if you want to call it the team, you can't call it the Indians either because they're not Indians.

Cleveland Indians is actually looking. They're Native Americans. They just said it because they thought they looked like Indians. They're not Indians, right? But you can say things like the Seminoles, which is a Florida college team. I don't even have a problem with the Braves. I don't have a problem with the Chiefs. What about the Blackhawks?

Well, like for instance, Florida State is the college. They're called the Seminoles, the Seminole Indians, which is an actual tribe. But the Seminole Indian tribe came out and said, we are fine with this.

They're calling themselves the Seminoles, which is representative of, you know, so they've actually made that statement. We did a piece on the old TV show where we talked about the Edmonton Eskimos.

It got released on your, like somebody posted it on your Twitter. Yeah, I told Jack to do it. Oh, yeah, yeah talked about the edmonton eskimos it got released on your on like somebody posted yeah i told jack to do it oh yeah yeah but the edmonton eskimos and we just found out the canadians weren't bothered either way yeah yeah they were just like oh you just uh change the name eh or uh keep it or get rid of it yeah we're good yeah and then i was i was speaking to the inuits and they're like, we're not that bothered either, to be honest with you. I like that they all have the same accent. Yeah. All right.

That's it for the podcast this week. You're still a citizen, Jim. I'm still a citizen. You crushed that exam. That's pretty good. You're still a citizen. Give them what they want. Yeah.

Give them what they want. That's it. I'm going to take it out, Jim. All right. Thanks, everyone. If you're at a party, someone says something to you that you're not sure about just tell them well i don't know about that and walk away and then you haven't lost your fight good night australia everybody jason ellis here from the jason ellis show podcast

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