I Don't Know About That - The NBA

Episode Date: March 23, 2021

In this episode, the team discusses the NBA with the host of the podcast "Takeline" and host of the Youtube video series "ALL CAPS NBA", Jason Concepcion. Follow Jason on Twitter @Netw3rk and make sure to check out his work on the Crooked Media Youtube page. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dildos. Are they made in the same way? Also tennis rackets.ets wait I messed it up I don't know about that it was Jim Jefferies I did it wrong you're supposed to say on the next edit

and then you say also tennis rackets yeah yeah or you go probably not or something like that yeah I gave it a go I thought you were pretty good yeah that was good Kelly you do next week okay Yeah, yeah. Or you go, probably not or something like that.

Forrest gave it a go. I thought you were pretty good. Yeah, that was good. Kelly, you do next week. Okay. Yeah, and then Jack, you do the week after that. Then we'll go around the table until we get it right. Hopefully not too many people tuned out when they went,

ah, Jim's not there. It's a Forrest-only episode only talking about astrology. And you know it's not me I hate pickles I never even mention them Pickles Bananas Why they come from hell I didn't make the voice deep enough

I guess my voice is already deep Yeah yeah yeah No no no You pickles Well everyone had a good week I know everyone's still reeling I've been reading the articles About my retirement in two years

from stand-up comedy. Lots of think pieces. That episode hasn't even come out yet, so we'll see how it goes. What have we got for us today, Jack? We've got Comet World. Comet World. Comet World. Comet World. Summer's come, man. and you're gonna hang out in Comment World!

I sent that in. I was at your house when you did that. That's me in the background. Every week I'll be waiting to see if it would get played. Why won't they play by itself? Are you previewing these jazz at all? I don't have no music. We've played that one before.

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We'll start off with some reviews. Okay, J.K. Five-star review. If this isn't your number one podcast, it'll definitely be number two. Is that a poo joke, or is it just someone who's just like, well, of course it's Joe Rogan's your number one, and then you go listen to something else. Or I like that podcast where those girls are talking about fucking people.

Or that one where my dad wrote a porn. You surely have read it. I've never listened to the podcast. How many porns did your dad write? They must be reading real slowly now. I think they did each chapter. It must be done now. Is there like an HBO special or something?

They've got a hundred episodes. What was the fucking porn war in peace? Terrible. Another five-star review titled, Got Me Laid. My girlfriend is really into sharks and she gets turned on when I know stuff. Long story short, your shark episode got me laid. Thank you for that. You're very welcome.

Wow, that's quite the woman you got yourself there. Say it again. They're made out of cartilage. This is a comment. Is that a dick joke? It says five stars, four exclamation points. Is Forrest slowly turning into Mike Dicka? That was when you had your mustache week.

Yeah. And then Jack, shut up. Kelly, you're awesome. We need more Luis. We love Jim. All right. We need more Luis we love Jim alright we need more Luis yeah we got enough Luis he said about 5 sentences in 45 episodes

and they're like we like the cut of his jib I want to hear about that Fanta ketchup oh yeah they must have been excited when they heard about the Fanta ketchup you know what I did when I went home? I got myself some ketchup and some Fanta, and I didn't try it. Because it's stupid.

It's stupid. I didn't want to fucking do the dishes afterwards. Like, fuck that. I'll just eat them separately. What I did was, in all reality, I squirted some ketchup in my mouth, then I drank some Fanta and swished it around. Got the same effect. Mouthwash.

People really liked your mustache, Forrest. Oh, yeah? People said Forrest's 80s cop stache needs its own podcast called The Upper Lip. Shouldn't do the limit. High ratings. Forrest Mario Shaw. That was Bianca, Bianca.

Wanted me to do a mustache. I did it for her. I've always wanted to write a crime series where my right leg, my right leg and my left leg were two detectives. Right? What? This is like an idea, like sort of like a cartoon idea. Let's do some more.

Right? Yeah, my right leg was really like he was the cop who knew how to do everything. He could kick a ball. He could do anything. He's a right leg. He's good to hop on. He's reliable. Right leg. He goes rogue to do everything. He could kick a ball. He could do anything. He's a right leg. He's good to hop on. He's reliable. Right leg.

He goes rogue. Right leg. And then left leg comes up and goes, I'm here too. Left leg. He falls over all the time. Can't kick anything. He's only good for stabilizing. And this pesky torso that gets in the way.

Yeah. And they solve crimes together. What kind of crimes? Shoe related things. All shoe related. I'm missing a shoe. We looked in the power lines. The mystery of the missing sock.

That one will never be solved. People are asking what dog Kelly was holding. That's Arnie. That's Arnie. Oh, I thought they saw the picture of me curled up crying. Just betting. It's okay, Jim. He's right down here.

I'm not going to pick him up. He's right down there. That's Arnie. He's a rescue dog. I just got him a couple months ago. As far as rescued him. You can make a movie out of it. It was dramatic.

He was held in a tower. A flood. He had to beat off all these mafia people to rescue him. It's like the blind side, but he rescued a dog. No, I was like taken. I was like, I picked up a cell phone and I just heard barking and I was like, I don't have a specific set of skills. I have a specific set of skills that aren't useful right now. What I do have is a car and I can get to Santa Clarita to the rescue.

If you want to know the best sandwich places across America, I'm your guy. That's Arnie. He's a good boy. Someone said, first time ever watching the podcast. Everyone looks worse than they sound. Thank you. Yeah, we do. We sound great. Picking on Jack is an easy target. Yeah, and then someone commented

We don't have to hard targets. Jack's starting to look like them. Go back to the start. He was fairly svelte, which I don't think is true. I don't think I've ever been svelte. There was one time I was in Asia, and I bumped into, we were in Hong Kong, and we were filming a bit on shark fins, and we bumped into someone who was a gay guy who we knew vaguely.

Do you remember this? We had met him the night before. He was a comedian, yeah. Yeah, we met him the night before. Yeah, he was a comedian in Hong Kong, yeah. And he was a gay guy. Was he? Well, he must have been because this is how the story goes.

So I'm standing next to him and he goes, who's that really good looking guy walking down the street? And I turned to look because I like the sea, what I have to compete against in society. And so I turned around and I went, that's Jack. I don't know this story. It was like from a distance and he was like, that guy's really handsome. And I was like this, Jack. I don't know this story. It was like from a distance. And he was like, that guy's really handsome.

And I was like this, Jack. You're cock-blocking Jack. I was like, Jack. I remember this. I forgot about that. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So I guess maybe it wasn't gay. Maybe he just likes, maybe he just likes the male form and all of the human body and all its forms. Yeah. Well, anyways, Jack, you know, after Hong Kong, you still, all human body and all its forms. Yeah. Well, anyways, Jack, off to Hong Kong. All right, I'm going back.

Yeah. Someone commented, furry bucket hats, ill-fitting pants. Careful, you're turning into Fred Durst. Right. Yep. Yep. That's right. That went over my head.

Don't understand that reference. It's Limp Bizkit. Yeah, Fred Durst, man. He's the lead singer of Limp Bizkit. Limp Bizkit. And he used to wear a lot of fuzzy bucket hats. I know of a concept. I don't know what they look like. Or he looks like. You know the concept of Limp Bizkit. And he used to wear a lot of fuzzy bucket hats. I know of a concept. I don't know what they look like.

Or he looks like. You know the concept of Limp Bizkit? Yeah. I used to have a joke about jizzing on biscuits in private schools. I got to bring that back. I never recorded that. That's good. That was a good bit.

Oh, a comment world was all worth it. It was like, you know, they all have to come on a biscuit and then the last person eats it. Right? Well, no,

no, it's a thing. The person who doesn't come, the person who comes last. And you're in the middle of the explanation. Yeah. Like, you know how they all do this. You're like, just talking about one middle school. It might be an urban myth or happen in private schools or something like that.

Soggy biscuit or something like that. They call it soggy sayo in Australia like that. And it's like, I reckon the guy who should eat it should be the person who comes first. He was obviously the one who suggested the game. It's very clear like he's like, hey, we all got to come on a biscuit. Whoever comes last. Then he's like, oh, there I go.

I came. Look at all you gay fellas. You all enjoyed that. You enjoyed watching me come on the biscuit. I just came again. That is true. Rules should be changed. Whoever comes first has to eat it.

It might be a very long game. It goes on for days. It's like cricket. A guy named Jason wrote in the comments, Hey, Jim, I was roommates with your buddy Dan Bacadal for a couple of years in college. Love your stuff. He's a good guy, Dan Bacadal. He's my good friend, Dan Bacadal. a couple of years in college. Love your stuff. Oh, he's a good guy. Dan Bacadal.

He's my good friend, Dan Bacadal. He's doing well. I assume he's been locked in for COVID. I haven't seen him all COVID. I've been ringing him up and checking on him, but he's locked in. He's,

he's locked in for COVID. People were giving a bunch of, of vegan alternatives to leather and handbags. There's one called deadly Ponies in New Zealand. That sounds like a vegan name. That's a good name. Pony Skin. And I guess it's a New Zealand company,

but they make the leather from cacti from Mexico. Right. That sounds like a lot of traveling. Like a good business plan. We have a production here and we import the cactus. This is an environmental nightmare by the time they fly it all over. But its carbon footprint is massive.

It's carbon footprint's through the fucking roof. What the fuck is that? There's another cacti one called deserto. I don't know where that one's based, but I assume it's closer to Mexico. It's actually deserto. Deserto. Antarctica where that one's based but I assume it's closer to Mexico it's actually desert

Antarctica that one is did you find the comment someone said about Richard Dawkins dinner party fact the one who was really angry about it he basically was saying who came up with this bullshit I guess he didn't listen that it was Richard Dawkins

so this guy apparently thinks he's smarter than Richard Dawkins I just ignored it because it was stupid that guy's an idiot out there I didn't listen that it was Richard Dawkins so this guy apparently thinks he's smarter than Richard Dawkins. Yeah, I just ignored it because it was stupid. Yeah, well, that guy's an idiot out there. Just, you know, I didn't take a deep dive. Someone wants to know about your tattoos, Kelly. I have them. Alright, moving on. Kelly's a

pass out drunk tattoo person. Wakes up with one in the morning. What is the one with the pirate on the side or whatever? It's a sailor. Yeah, it's like a captain with a mermaid on it. And I named him Captain Crunch because I had always joked around that I was going to get Captain Crunch tattoo. I like that one.

That's my favorite one of all your tattoos. You haven't seen the one inside my asshole. It's beautiful. I'm just kidding. You got one inside your asshole? No, I'm just kidding. It must have been hard to do. It's close.

Must have taken a special pen. Special man. Last question. Someone wanted to know what our favorite episode is of our podcast. It's a hard one. It's a good question.

Still cheese for me because I got to eat that day. Yeah, cheese is great, but bees was great too. Bees is good. Bees is a good episode. Bees didn't write that well. Cryptocurrency. It's because was great too. Bees is good. Bees is a good episode. Bees didn't rate that well. Cryptocurrency.

It's because it was early on. My favorite is astrology. I loved dreams. Astrology actually did pretty all right in the numbers. It did all right. Not good on YouTube, but it did all right in the downloads. It did quite remarkably well in the downloads. I don't remember which one.

You know, I don't like dreams. And the dreams one was pretty good. And I'm like an anti-dreams guy. And I was like, all right, maybe I'll. I bought his book. Anti-dreams guy. I'm always like, I don't want to hear about your dreams. You know this. I know.

You know this. I know. You know this. But I bought his book. Jay Leno was good. Cars. I didn't know much about cars going in. Alcohol was a fun one, obviously.

I thought it was good. Didn't learn anything. We killed Jim. Two highest rated, the alcohol and Jay Leno. I think there's a theme. And alcohol didn't have a guest. Nope. The guest was all the bottles of alcohol.

Yeah, that one does very well. It's like when you, we can look on these little data sheets, you can see which one's got the most downloads and that type of stuff. And every week it gets a few thousand people listen to it. Every week, even after it's like a year old. I would assume that's like probably the first one that people would watch if they looked through the list. People just want to see someone

drinking, you know, but I, yeah, you're not going to learn a lot from that one. Just look some shit up. Yeah, you'll learn all the different names of alcohol, I suppose. How beer was made or ingredients or something. I don't know. I don't remember what I even looked up.

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This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp, and the I Don't Know About That listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com. All right. Please welcome our guest this week, Jason Concepcion. G'day, Jason. Thanks for being on the show. We're now going to do a segment we call Judging a Book by

Its Cover. Yes, no. Yes, no. Judging a book by its cover. We have a theme song. Okay. I might ask you some yes or no questions I don't need anything

I don't need any questions I already know what his specialty is he's a fucking samurai man he's got a samurai sword behind him and I'm so happy I've been wanting to do samurai since we've started this podcast first of all I think it's like a Game of Thrones style sword it is a Game of Thrones

it's a broadsword there also looks like there's an Thrones style sword. It is a Game of Thrones. It's a broadsword. Oh, wow. There's also looks like there's an Emmy back there. Oh, there is an Emmy. And the sword's above it. The sword of Emily's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's John Stark.

Okay. So you've got an Emmy or you've stolen an Emmy. I think I have an Emmy and I would consider myself to have stolen it, but it's a sports Emmy if that's a hint. So it's not that cool. All right. So a sports Emmy. So would it be, so do you, okay, so you work in, okay, do you work in television?

Sort of. I work in media. Okay. All right. Media. Yeah. I guess I work in media of sorts. All right. Media. Yeah. I guess I work in media of sorts. Do you?

I have done. So, okay. So is your job sport related? Yes. Okay. Is your job a sport that I would have participated in? I know you don't know me, but like just looking at me, is this a thing? Maybe at one time. I think this is the kind of sport that everybody has participated in at one time or another.

Oh, right. Everyone's had a go at it. Yeah. You participated in this. You want another hint? Oh, it's basketball. Well, why do you say it's basketball? It is basketball.

The NBA. We're going to talk about the NBA. Yeah, it's basketball. Do you want to know why? Because Forrest went, do you want a hint? I beat Forrest at horse once. And it plays on his mind. Because I'm what you call uncoordinated.

You're terrible. I'm terrible at things. It's already frustrating. The way you beat Forrest at horse is this. Underarm. Two-hand underarm. Two-hand under this. Under arm. Two hand under arm. Two hand under arm. It's a hole in his game.

Because that's not how you shoot basketball. It's how I shoot it. It's how you win the game. It's how you win the game. You've got to find out the weakness of your opponent. Sometimes as I'm going to sleep, I can hear Jim in my head going, under arm, off the backboard.

We made a video. We made a horse video and it's out there somewhere. It's on the Facebook page. He's like, three point shot, turn around, swivel. And I'm like, I can't get those. But sometimes he misses those and then I get right next to the hoop. Under arm. Okay, but so Jason, what happened is this

was filmed and then put on the internet and then everyone thinks Jim is better. So I practiced that dumb shot that you did until I had it down. And then I beat you every time after that. Not filmed. Not on film. Not on film.

Not on film. Yeah, no evidence of that. Sorry, it didn't happen. Let me properly introduce Jason. Jason is a writer, editor, gamer. It says reader, too. That was in your bio. An NBA super fan who is best known for creating and hosting the Emmy Award winning digital series NBA Desktop.

Jason began his writing and commentary career at Grantland. He has recently launched two new projects with Crooked Media, the podcast Take Line and a weekly video series, All Caps NBA. If you want to tell us a little bit about those two. Sure. Take Line is a podcast about sports. It's hosted by myself and two-time WNBA champion Renee Montgomery. We are going to explore sports and the kind of intersections of labor issues, racial justice, social justice, and politics that kind of intertwine with sports. So it's going to do all the things that sports show does, but we're going to lean into issues that maybe other sports shows wouldn't necessarily talk about. And then all caps is it's a comedic look at the NBA and sports in general through the lens of the internet. So my elevator pitch for it, when I'm trying to explain to people what it is, is it's like the soup, but if the soup was done on your phone. to explain to people what it is is it's like the soup but if the soup was done on your phone okay sounds good and so by the time this podcast this one right here comes out both these shows will

have be going so uh check those out um all right and what we're gonna do now is i'm gonna ask jim everything he thinks he knows about the nba i'm gonna ask him some questions so we're not doing basketball doing the nba well we'll do a little bit of basketball. Yeah, I mean, you know, a little bit of where it started kind of thing. And then, Jason, you're going to grade him at the end of this. It's going to take about like five to ten minutes. You're going to grade him zero through ten, ten being the best on his accuracy.

Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on et cetera. I usually have some categories, but I don't. That's all right. Okay. You just do it in heights. So I'm a tumbo down to Bugsy Muggs. Wow, you've already got some stuff.

Got some knowledge. It's Muggsy Muggs. I actually like Bugsy Muggs better. Bugsy Muggs is a gangster. Bugsy Muggs. He's in the mafia for sure. Okay. Muggsy Muggs.

I was just showing Jack Muggsy Muggs. He's in the mafia for sure. Okay. Muggsy Bogues. I was just showing Jack Muggsy Bogues the other day. Do you know what it was? I was just the other day. You keep him at your house? What do you mean? You were showing him? No, I was on the internet showing him. I was like, there was a short fellow who played in the NBA,

and Jack had never heard of him. So, you know, I watched the NBA in the 90s when it sort of got a little popular in Australia. And, you know, I know I could probably name you most of the Australian players and I'm a Clippers supporter. So, you know, I support the Clippers for one reason, one reason alone. When I first got here, the same reason I support Fulham. The Lakers were too expensive.

I go to whatever was the cheapest ticket. I didn't ever pot the piss in when I came to America. The Clippers I could get into for $20 and sit up the back, and I just thought, all right, well, I support the Clippers. Balling on a budget. Well, they got a shot this year, so same. Do you know when basketball was invented and by who? I know it was invented by a Canadian.

I've forgotten the name of the guy. I've seen a 30 for 30 documentary. I believe he was teaching in Kansas at the time. I think it was in Kansas by a Canadian. I might be right on that. And it was originally with peach baskets, and it was so in winter they could play an indoor sport. You don't know what year?

Maybe he was in Canada when he was doing it because it was the snow and all that. Oh, the snow's in Canada. I'm going to say give it 100 years. 100 years ago. Okay. 1920. Do you know when the NBA started?

I think the NBA in its – like I believe there was two leagues or something like that and then they meshed together to make the NBA and most of my knowledge of this is coming from the movie Semi-Pro with Will Ferrell

so I'm going to I'm going to say it was the 70s 70s the early 70s okay and you know what the original name

of the NBA was National Basketball Association well it had to always Okay. And you know what the original name of the NBA was? National Basketball Association. Well, it had to always be. The NBA only started when the NBA started. If you wanted to call it something like that, like Hoopy Hoopy Jump Jump. Finding a loophole here. It's the same league. Yeah, but when it was called the NBA, that's when it happened. Okay. In the United States, how does the NBA rank among other sports and then also in the world? I believe that the NBA is the second most popular sport in America next to football.

I think football rates higher. I believe that basketball is the third most popular sport in the world. I believe it goes soccer, cricket, then basketball. And I think basketball may have just taken over cricket, maybe just had taken over cricket. But cricket gets the second most popular sport in the world because of India. You have a billion people playing.

They only care about one sport. And so that's where that statistic's a little bit skewed. Okay. What team has the most NBA titles? I believe it's the Lakers. How many? I think it's probably 13 or something like that. Oh, no, wait a minute.

Wait a minute. It's more than that. It's more than that. They've had like, since I've lived here for 13 years, they've had two. And then they had that whole like the Shaq and then the Kobe and then the Magic and the Kareem and all that type of stuff. I'll go 17.

Okay. And then do you know who has the most MVPs? I'll say Michael Jordan has the most MVPs. Okay. That might be a trick question. It'll either be Michael Jordan or it could be Kobe. No, I think it's Michael Jordan. Because Magic Johnson's career was cut short, so I'm going to count him out. Well, the person who scored the most points ever is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

And I know that because I interviewed him. And you played basketball with him. I played basketball with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. and I know that because I interviewed him. And you played basketball with him. I played basketball with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He looked at me like I was a moron. The videos of you doing the hook shot, it's just like the most uncoordinated basketball I've ever seen. It's so good. He's an extremely nice man.

Yes. Exceedingly nice man. I would say Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Maybe Kareem's the one with it. Wilt Chamberlain might be a runner for the most MVP. He had sex with the most women. Maybe that's what you're thinking. Yeah, but that's what I'd give awards to.

MVP. Come on. Okay, so there are some NBA teams that have not won the title. Yeah. Do you know how many there are, or can you name? Name like four and see if you know how many there are some NBA teams that have not won the title. Yeah. Do you know how many there are, or can you name? Name like four and see if you know how many there are. Okay, the Clippers have never won. The Phoenix Suns have never won one.

I'm going to say the Pelicans, since they've had the name the Pelicans, have not won one. The Orleans Pelicans. Let me think. The Seattle Supersonics never won one, but they're no longer in the league. I'm going to also say I'm sure the Knicks must have won one, but I feel like they've been a perennial sort of loser team. I think Jason's a big Knicks fan.

That's his team. Unfortunate. It's absolutely true. So you're saying they have won one? I think maybe way back in the day, but not in recent history, but I don't have any proof of any of that. You don't have any proof on you? Yeah, yeah.

And then I'll say, give me another team that's sort of like where I'll go, oh, they wouldn't have bloody 1-1, the bloody blah, blah, blahs. I'm going to say. The Bucs one? Yeah, Milwaukee Bucs. No, I believe the Milwaukee Bucks were a force back in the day

because they talk about like in the last dance how many maybe the Indiana Pacers haven't won one Pacers I don't know if the Hawks have ever won anything

the Atlanta Hawks yeah okay that was my team growing up alright so all time leading score you said

was Kareem right Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the all time leading scorer what about was Kareem, right? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the all-time leading scorer. What about rebounder? The all-time leading rebounder. See, okay, because I could say Dennis Rodman was really good at rebounding and all that sort of stuff, but he wasn't super tall, I think.

And he didn't have an extraordinarily long career because he was a bit of a fuck-up. So I'm going to say the best rebounder of all, statistically the best rebounder, I'll say Will Chamberlain, the rebounder. Okay, and what about three-point shots? Who's made the most? The most three-point shots, Steve Nash. Nash.

That's probably wrong. That is wrong. I don't know the answer to all these, but I know Steve Nash is not the all time leading Steph Curry that's a better answer maybe by the end of his career Steph Curry that's a good bet probably

has anyone ever scored 70 points more than 70 points yes there was an 80 point game by Kobe Bryant and was that the highest ever? Yes. Okay.

Tallest player ever and shortest player ever? Muggsy Bogues. Bugsy Muggs? Bugsy Muggs. Bugsy Muggs is the tallest player ever. Yeah, he's the tallest. Do you know how short he was, Muggsy? He was 5'3".

Okay, and then tallest ever? The tallest ever. Okay. Do you know how short he was, Muggsy? He was 5'3". Okay. And then tallest ever. The tallest ever. Oh, God. It might not be a guy who was very good. It might just be a bloke who sort of. He's pretty famous. I think his son's playing either in college or he might be in the NBA.

I'm forgetting. He's not the best player ever. No, but he's still like a, he was a cult favorite. Yeah. So it's not Shaquille O'Neal. He'd probably be the most, the weight. He'd be the, he'd be the heaviest. Yeah. Right now. I'll say, I'll say

Ronnie Cycli. Cycli. Okay. Definitely not. Ronnie Cycli used to date my son's mother. That's the reason I know. Hot take. Now he's a DJ. Of these players,

who was not the number one overall pick in the draft? Ready? I'm going to give you multiple choice. Shaquille O'Neal, Andrew Wiggins, Kobe Bryant, or Mark Aguirre. Mark Maguire played baseball for... Mark Aguirre.

Aguirre. Oh, I didn't even ask the question. That's their rights. Okay, well, I know Michael Jordan was number one, because that's always like... No, no, same as. Shaq, Andrew Wiggins, Kobe Bryant, or Mark Aguirre. Okay, Shaq would have been, because I remember Michael Jordan was number one because that's always like the same. No, no, same as. Shaq, Andrew Wiggins, Kobe Bryant, or Mark Aguirre. Okay, Shaq would have been because I remember when he was drafted.

Okay. And it wasn't Andrew Bogart who was number one from Australia. Thank you very much, Bogs. Yeah, he did a great career. Yeah, great career. Yeah. Me and him write to each other on the Twitter. Okay.

Hello, Andrew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know each other on the Twitter. Okay. Hello, Andy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know each other on the Twitter. We've never met. One time I was in Sydney performing. He was back playing for the Sydney Kings for a while. And he goes, I'd really like to see your show sometime. And so I knew I was in town.

So I go, hey, why don't you come to the gig? And he's like, I can't. I've got a basketball game. Loser. Like it's only the Sydney Kings. Surely you can call in sick. Okay, so Shaq is number one. Andrew Wiggins, Kobe Bryant, Mark Cook.

Andrew Wiggins. Okay, Wiggins. Okay. The reason why I said that is because you put him second and you wanted to duck him in there. Sure. Okay, I'm just going to ask you a couple questions, see if you know anything.

Do you know what the malice at the palace is? I have no idea. Okay, I'm going you know what the malice at the palace is uh i have no idea okay i'm gonna guess the malice at the palace okay so the malice it rhymes uh do you know tim donahey is uh it's uh tim duncan's original name before he got the stage name duncan was a stage name because he was dunking. Yeah, he was dunking. Okay. What about? Tim Duncan might have gotten the most rebounds.

What about Donald Sterling? Donald Sterling was the owner of the Clippers and just a misunderstood man. Okay. Terrible person. There's a couple other questions here, but we'll just ask one more thing and then we'll start talking to Jason.

Who did not play in the NBA of these names? God Sham God, Fat Lever, Carlos Boozer, Uwe Blob, Tree Rollins, or Rick Smith? I think Carlos Boozer. I think Boozer was the name of the guy. Oh, no, that was Bozy. Rick Smith. Fuck it, Rick Smith never played.

Rick Smith. Wow. Okay. That's the wrong answer. Carlos Boozer. I just want to tell you, I made that list, and I put Rick Smith. That was the wrong answer. Carlos Buzer. I just want to tell you, I made that list and I put Rick Smith. That was the right answer. Then you get it.

Oh, Rick Smith, Rick Smith, Rick Smith, Rick Smith. Okay, Jason, thanks for waiting there patiently. On a scale of zero to 10, how did Jim do? 10 being the best on his knowledge of what we asked. Jim did pretty well. I'd put it at a six. A soft six, like a hard five and a half, but like a soft six. We'll take the six then.

Soft six. How do you do on confidence, Kelly? I would give him a seven on confidence. I was surprised that you knew as much as you did. All right. I watch sports. Okay, so that's a total. I mean, every week I'm surprised that you know as much as you do

about any given topic. I think I would do better at baseball. Basketball's like my, you know, fourth sport. Yeah, we'll do baseball eventually. So that's 13. I'm going to give you 17, so you get the 30. All right. And that means you're Manute Ball.

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So I guess I know some of these but I don't know a lot of them. Like basketball. Do we know when that was invented and by whom? And that. Yeah, that was Jim had it right that it was a Canadian gentleman, Canadian-American gentleman, Dr. James Naismith. He was an educator at the Young Man's Christian Association. Yes. In Springfield, Massachusetts. And you had the context correct. He had a lot of rowdy young men

who were locked indoors in the midst of winter and they were getting, you know, starting fights and stuff. And he needed some way to focus their attentions to do something that wasn't violent. And so he created this game of basketball that was supposed to be no contact. He hung the peach baskets up

and that's where we started. Oh, so it was right because of the contact sport now i mean i would consider it well they you know you're it's like soccer in the sense that there's contact but there's a level of contact that would then uh draw a foul so you they're legislating the contact it's not a full contact sport like like rugby or like the nfl That would have been like done with the peach baskets. Like how many years do they play without cutting the hole in the basket? They get mad when somebody scores a basket. It was for a while. They used to get a broomstick and pop it back out.

Two points. And if it bounced out of the basket, if it went in and bounced out, did the points still count? It still counted if it went in. Well, it has to settle in. But if it found out. Well, you know, it's a good question. If it bounced out right away, if it went to the bottom, it would stay. But if it rolled around the top or went halfway down and then popped out, it would not count. Now, this was pretty long before the shot clock. And at that time, basketball was a lot like soccer slash football

in the sense that you had scorers that were like 6'5", 6'4". There was a lot of passing around, passing around before somebody would get the opportunity to try and score. So I assume before they cut the bottom out of the basket, the word swish didn't exist. And so it'd be like, look at that shot, clunk. Well, here's one. Do you know how wide the hoop is now in the NBA?

Smaller than a basketball. Wait, smaller? That's how good I am. Okay, so let me think. I'm going to say 20 inches. I don't know inches. I just know like a thing that you say. I thought it was two basketballs.

I thought it was two basketballs wide. That's what I thought. Yeah, that's what it is. It's two basketballs, essentially. I don't know the measurements, but it's two basketballs. I thought this guy was a specialist. He only knows units of measurement in basketball. Yeah. The earth is a thousand basketballs

actually that's bigger than that surely um when did the not when did the nba start um you said the 70s jim and you said it was you i think it was two leagues that were mashed together well what was there was there okay was there a black league and a white league? And was it before Jackie Robinson when they brought it over? Or was it always inclusive? What happened there? It took a while for the sport to integrate. Now, you did have it right in the sense that there were two leagues that merged.

There was the BAA, which is the Basketball Association of America, and they merged with the NBL, their rival national basketball league. They did that in 1949 and rebranded themselves as the NBA going forward. But the NBA claims the history going all the way back to 1946 with the founding of the BAA. So they, in the NBA's view, they claim the history of the Basketball Association of America, claiming that they are just an outgrowth of that organization, not a new organization after the merger. So you were several decades off. Now, the first black players started coming in in the 50s. But of course, there weren't any hard rules like there were in baseball. But interesting fact is a Japanese American was one of the first non-whites

to break the color line in the NBA. I'm going to change my tallest guy to the Houston Rockets Asian guy. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Oh, yeah. So wait, the first Japanese American you said? Or he was from Japan? Like, what was his name?

I don't know that. It was Wat Misaka. He played for the Knicks, actually. So why don't we... Like, we hear about Jackie Robinson all the time. I'm a big baseball fan. We know the impact of having Jackie Robinson join the baseball leagues and all that stuff. Why isn't there more celebration of when basketball

was integrated? That's a great question. There is within the sport and within the community that's grown up around the sport of basketball. But I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that for a lot of basketball's early history going up to, like, say, the 1980s, it was it was a fringe sport. You know, boxing and horse racing were much more popular than basketball early on. So there just wasn't a lot of publicity or hype around the sport at all. You couldn't see it on TV. It was like barn burning kind of barnstorming, excuse me, kind of like tours that they were trying to build, build excitement around the league with. But there wasn't there just wasn't a lot of tremendous excitement in the nation about pro

basketball for a while. That was a question I forgot to ask. Jim was like, when did NBA start becoming popular in the eighties? Right. That was pretty, was that. Yeah. I think that that's fair to say, you know, a lot of people say 79, 80. So 79, 80 magic Johnson and Larry bird come in. They had this storied college careers, each of them say when they talk about this rivalry. It's the Lakers versus the Celtics, first of all, already two of the most successful teams that had existed in the NBA.

Right. The Celtics dominated the early history of the NBA. And then the Lakers started to get really good in the late 60s. And so and the Celtics in those early years was always turning the Lakers back. So they had this existing rivalry. And then you have these two great players who had a rivalry in college, one one black, one white. And it just became a kind of like pedestal upon which the NBA built their success that they have today. But before that late 70s, like you couldn't even really see the finals on television. It would be on tape delay. You can see it live. 70s, you couldn't even really see the finals on television. It would be on tape delay. You couldn't

see it live. That's so crazy. Even in the early years, the first couple years when Magic and Bird were in the NBA, you still couldn't catch the games live. You could not catch the NBA finals game live. Before that, I imagine the money was rather small then for the players.

Was it were they not being paid very much because it wasn't on television? Certainly compared to, you know, what the, what the salaries are today. I think, you know, Magic Johnson, you know, he was making like signing contracts that were worth like $3 million. I think that's basically two seasons at the league minimum right now is two years at league minimum is like over $3 million. So it was, the money was a lot, lot smaller and the eighties success David Stern,

who was the commissioner that came in in the early eighties was kind of like a brilliant mind at marketing the game at growing the game. And he used that, you know, the great narratives around magic and bird to hype up the game and get better tv contracts and do better marketing and rising tide lifted all boats and now we have salaries that are just astronomically huge yeah so that's amazing because that was that's not even it's like a little maybe 40 years ago no yeah 40 years ago yeah and then the next question is where does basketball rank in the major sports in the u.s you said second and then in the world you

said it might be second now about a cricket yeah so i think that's basically right i mean it depends on what metric you're going to use right so if you're saying popularity in the u.s are we talking tv ratings are we talking something else in tv TV ratings, the NBA is third behind football, which is the leader in the clubhouse, big time, big time, big time. Then the MLB, then the NBA. TV ratings have been a kind of contentious metric of late because of a lot of the social justice conversations that have popped up around sports. There's a lot of people who would argue that TV ratings are taking a dip because sports are getting too political. The NBA is always at the focus of that. But there was a 2017 poll that asked people what their favorite sport was. And NFL football, again, the number one favorite sport,

but basketball was second. So it depends on the metric, but I think second or third is the right number. And then basketball is the most popular American sport internationally by far. By a mile. If you talk about when I was growing up in Australia, if you talk about famous American athletes, it was basketball players. Yeah. We knew of Joe Montana. We knew of him, but no one had a poster.

But people were – they knew Michael Jordan. That's what we all – Well, now it's like whatever country you're from, there's a good chance there's a player playing in the NBA too. I mean, Australia, you actually have a chance to get a medal in the Olympics, man. Well, I think we got a little bit screwed by COVID. I feel like some of our players might get too old or whatever. I don't know.

But I think we're good for a silver or a bronze. Well, you got Ben Simmons, a few players for you guys. Ben Simmons, well, we thought he was going to be better than he is. He's still very, very good, but we were talking like he would be the best player in the NBA when he first came out. He's going to be the best player. When Andrew Bogut got – he got first draft pick, we were like, are we going to have the greatest center of all time?

Patty Mills is getting old. Patty Mills is getting old. Still very good. Yeah. The bloke who plays for the Jazz, what's his name? Oh, Joe Ingles. Joe Ingles. He's good.

Yeah, Joe Ingles contacted me for when I was playing Utah, which the gigs were canceled. And he's like, why don't you come down and do a gig for the Jazz? And I was like, oh, this is good bit of corporate money. And it turns out he was asking for me to do it free during their training session. Oh, just coming out of the practice. A 3 p.m. show in a huddle. Maybe he'd enjoy it, but it would embarrass him.

Like, hey, guys, there's an Australian bloke coming down to tell us a few gags while we're training. And all the coaches would have been like, what? There's a bloke. He does like offensive jokes and he's going to talk to us during training. And so I think I said to him, I said, if you want a couple of tickets, man, come to the show if you want to come. But I'm not coming down to the Utah Jazz fucking training system.

We went down. We met, what's his name? Mark, the guy who owns the Dallas Mavericks. Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban. We went down to the training facility there and we shot a few balls. Remember that?

I wasn't there for that, no. Oh, no. I've played around in their training facilities. Very nice. Very nice. Under arm. Under backboard. Yeah, yeah.

I was there. I was like Underarm come on Mark come here you dumbabomba bitch Luka Doncic yeah that's the one I'm trying to say

I don't think he was playing with him at that stage no no no he wasn't there yet that was three years ago but that's the only Mavs player

that came to me mind I was like he's very good he's very good he's very good player okay who very good. He's a very good player. Okay. Who has won the most NBA titles? Jim said the Lakers MVPs.

He said Jordan. How's that? I mean, you're close. So, Lakers are tied with the Celtics for the most. Both have 17. Well, I'll take it. Oh, you said 17, though. 17.

Yeah, so that's correct. And then you were so close. This is a fucking hard six, mate. Soft six. My ass. 17. You were very close with the MVPs.

You mentioned Kareem, but then you went away from him. It is Kareem with six. Michael Jordan has five. Bill Russell also has five. But isn't there a controversy? I'm not contrary, but like, so the Lakers won some of their titles when they were in like,

what is it? Minneapolis. So the Celtics will always be like, yeah, it was Minneapolis. I mean, yeah, that is, that is a thing that you hear bandied about, but it's also like, come on, you know, like back in those days it was like the players were doing this in their spare time. And then we'd go work at a shoe factory, like, you know, like back in those days, it was like, uh, the players were doing this in their spare time. And then we'd go work at a shoe factory, like, you know, during the day.

So it's like, let's just keep all the records and don't, and don't worry about it. When I was a kid growing up in Australia, my number one sport was rugby league. And I followed the North Sydney bears, which no longer exists anymore. But I remember like when a player would score a try, this is how like small Australian sports were, and they still get paid way less than American athletes, right, but they're big stars in their own country. But there would be like someone would score a try and then it would list like their stats, like after they score a try,

they go, he's this age, he's got this many tries, and he works as a police officer. Go get him. There was literally blokes like bartender at the clubhouse. He will serve you drinks after the game. You could literally go see the players, like players you were fans of, you'd go there and you'd go, oh, fucking hell, there he is, and you'd have a little bow tie on and be pouring pints.

Incredible. So I asked Jim what teams haven't won an NBA title. I don't know. I don't know how many there are. If you know the whole list, he said Clippers, Suns, Pelicans,

Supersonics, Pacers. Okay. So almost all right. The Supersonics are now the Oklahoma city founder and they did win the title in 1979 famously, which is part of the reason why it was so, it's so heartbreaking for that community

when the team was, in their view, stolen by the people who then moved it to Oklahoma City and renamed it the Thunder. But all the rest, correct. So it's the Phoenix Suns, the Clippers, the Jazz, the Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, Brooklyn Nets, Minnesota Timberwolves, Magic, Charlotte Hornets, Memphis Grizzlies,

and the Pellies, the Pelicans. So only the Lakers and Celtics win, and sometimes the Bulls in the 90s. That's my team. They have three titles, which I think makes them sixth or seventh on the list. They hate to win it. Three times. Sacramento have a win every now and again.

When did the Hawks win? The Hawks won in like 1957. Yeah. Wow. You would have just been a young kid. They never won as a kid. Jack's from Atlanta. They beat the Celtics in like 1957. When I was growing up,

I grew up in Miami. We didn't have a team. And so I rooted for the Hawks and Dominique Wilkins was my favorite player. I had a poster of him on the back of my door. And I always, he was such a good player. But what always got me is his shoes. He was sponsored by Brooks. I don't even know if Brooks exists anymore.

But I was like, how is Adidas or Nike? He was like the best dunker, in my opinion. He got robbed. He had that Brooks strength. Yeah. It was the shoes. Couldn't have gotten a lot of money from Brooks. Okay.

I asked you, all-time leading score, Kareem. I'm sorry, we didn't finish this. Rebounder, he said Chamberlain. That's correct. Oh, wow. Soft six. What the fuck? Jim gets really offended by the fuck? 17,

Will Chamberlain, fucking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I grew up in fucking Sydney, man. you got a lot of other Yeah, but then we find out that you're friends

with Andrew Bogut and you shot around at the Mavericks. Well, I'm not friends with Bogut. We talk occasionally on the twit twit. I don't talk with Bogut.

You're friends. Yeah, Bogs. Yeah, myut. Yeah. My manager in Australia manages, because, you know, comedy is not massive there. Well, it is big, but, like, he has to manage something besides comedians.

So, you know, Andrew. Andrew, my manager in Australia. Andrew also manages Luke Longley. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, Luke Longley. For any of his public appearances. Luke was the first Australian in the NBA, and then we had – let's see if you can – how many Australians can you name

that were played in the NBA? Because I think I can beat you on this. Oh, you probably can. Well, currently, let's see. There's Ben Simmons, Della Vadova, Deli. Yeah, I'm a buddy Della Vadova. You want to win a fucking championship with Cleveland, you've got to have Della Vadova, Deli. Yeah, I'm a buddy Della Madova. You want to win a fucking championship with Cleveland, you've got to have Della Madova.

He just retired or is close to retirement because of concussions. But that's why we're getting fucked in the Olympics. We could have had Deli out there. Wait, who else? Aaron Baines. Oh, yeah, he's pretty good. Dante Exum. Dante Exum, very good. Highly rated

for a while there, but then injuries really slowed him down. Josh Green. Don't know that. This is kind of a cheat, but Kyrie Irving was born in Australia, so he's dual citizenship. And he still believes the fucking planet's flat.

He can hoop though. If you guys could convince him to suit up for Australia, for the boomers. I think he was born. I think he was born in like Ben Simmons' father played in the Australian basketball league and he was an American who played in the Australian basketball league. Then see what happens.

I'm going to list a couple of people before that, and then I'm going to talk about this next thing. Okay, so here's ones you won't remember. Andrew Gaze. Yes, okay. He's not in the NBA now, though. Yeah, but ever played in the NBA. Ever played in the NBA.

Because to start off, we had Luke Longley, then Andrew Gaze, who had gray hair when he was born. Right? Right? He came out. He could shoot threes and he was, I think he's the coach of the Australian basketball team or something like that, right? But he was a very good college player, I believe, out here.

Very good, yeah. And he was like Australia's greatest player, Andrew Gaze. And then there was a guy called Shane Hill who in the Barcelona Olympics went up against, who's the guy? We met him in a bar once. He's Charles Barkley. Oh. Yeah, I got a photo with Charles Barkley.

Jim knows the entire NBA apparently. I once did a gig. Okay. Anyway, so Charles Barkley, he pushed Charles Barkley out of the way and he got a bit like that. And then he got signed for the NBA. He came out for maybe three games in the NBA, shot like four threes and that was his whole career but then he became a commentator in australia and every time you talk to shane hill he's like this

yeah you know like when i was playing in the nba it's like it was four games right so there was shane shane hill and and then what happened after that. Now, in the Australian league, what happened was because what would have happened if we started our league, we would have had just all college players that didn't make the NBA, they would have come out to Australia. But we couldn't have a league like that because then it's not Australian players, it's just unsuccessful Americans playing in our league, right?

So what we did was they made a rule where they could go, each team can have two imports. You can have two players from overseas. The rest of them have to be Australian citizens, right? So every starting lineup was three white guys, two black guys from America. That was every starting lineup in the Australian league was that, right? So what would happen is if you had one of your imports and they'd come over and they were playing well, they tried to marry them off to Australian women as soon as possible.

Yeah. Because as soon as they got their citizenship in, they could get another bloke from America, right? That's a solid plan, honestly. So like Ben Simmons' father was one of those guys. He came over as an import, married up, then they brought another bloke in from America, and that's where we've got Ben Simmons now.

Wow. Wow, look at that. Basketball matchmakers. We used to have a player for the Sydney Kings called Dwayne McLean, the D-train, who played in the NBA for a hot minute and then got injury. But we used to think he was Michael Jordan. Dwayne McLean, the D-train. Yeah, rolls off the tongue.

The NBL, the National Basketball League, Australian Pro League, has been getting stronger over the last few years. There's a lot of movement of ex-players from the NBA going to Australia to look to buy into a lot of the existing teams in the NBL. LaMelo Ball, who's probably going to win Rookie of the Year this year, played 12 games in the NBL rather than go to college.

So it's an up-and-coming league and certainly one of the stronger pro leagues in the world. Yeah. What about Kiwis? Any Kiwis in the NBA? There'd be one bloke called the Big Mountain. The Big Mountain? Steve Adams, yeah, that's what Jason just said. Steve Adams, who does he play for?

He is currently playing for the Pelicans. Yeah, he's a big guy. He is a big guy. No doubt. Was Luke Longley any good? Yeah, he was good. He was serviceable. I mean, he was out there starting for these Bulls teams that won titles,

but he was not the focus of the play at all. His job was to rebound and play defense, and he did that quite capably. He used to rebound, play defense, get 13 points every game. He used to catch it, pass it back out to Pippen or Jordan. But you can tell very clearly that he did not like Michael Jordan because he said it in certain interviews. He didn't do the documentary. He's the only person not to appear in The Last Dance.

And he was the starting centre. And you can see in The Last Dance there's certain moments where Jordan's a bit of a prick to him. He just looks like, good game, Luke. There's one game where he says it and Luke's like, oh, this fucking guy. Like this one game where he says it and Luke's like, oh, this fucking guy.

Like, I felt for Luke Longley. He's the only person from his country to ever play at this level and everyone's going, you're shit. Most three-pointers ever. You said Nash, then you changed the curry. I don't actually know. I think I know who this is. Clyde Drexler. How about that?

No, no, no, not at all. Ray Allen is the leader. Ray Allen. With, I think, just like 30 or 20 short of 3,000. Steph will catch him eventually. Steph is number two and will catch him. Yeah, I figure. The game is so different now.

Yeah. I know that our friend Brad Williams, who we played golf with the other day, Brad's a dwarf, and I'm not saying anything mean, he knows. But Brad's a dwarf, and Brad and Adam Ray got a gig playing in the celebrity basketball game, and Brad kidded up, and he he got out there and he went and played and he was on a team with Ray Allen

and there was a three point shot to have and Ray Allen was clear and Brad went, fuck it, I'll still have a go. I love it. I remember when he posted

those videos, I was dying. Yeah, it was something like they were like at a party, I wouldn't have to ask them, but they were at a party and they met David Silver

or something like, yeah, I think they really like their comedy. He goes, yeah, you should play in the celebrity industry. We'll do it. And then there they were. And they were like, holy shit. That was the only time I've ever been jealous in comedy. I don't care about shows or anything. I was watching. I was like, how the fuck did they get to playing the game? I think Brad did some moves where he was running between people's legs. Yeah.

Doing crazy steals. Adam's like picking him up. One tummy masquer it is the bull. The shortest ever, Muggsy Bogues. Muggsy Bogues, yeah, 5'3". Did I just say it wrong? Yeah. I got my heart wrong.

No, he called him Muggsy Bogues again. I did. I called him Muggsy Bogues again. I will say that I think that one of the things that I think is very strange and interesting about the NBA is that the short players in the NBA, like throughout NBA history, have always had like short guy names, like Muggsy, Muggsy Bogues. It's just like Spud Webb is another one.

Yeah, but that's only because you're associating it. If there was a big tall bloke called Spud you'd go that's a big guy. Huge potato Oh wait Earl Boinkins that was another guy Earl Boinkins yeah Earl Boinkins but yeah that was more like a last name that just sounded like a Boinkins sounded like a little guy thing. We have a friend Al Jackson

who's a comedian as well and he played he just rode the bench in his high school basketball team in Ohio in Cleveland and he said that Earl Boinkins they they played against Earl Boynton. I don't know how tall he was. He might have been like 5'4". He was like 5'7", or something. He was, you know, 5'5", maybe? He was short. And they were like, this is the best player

you got. And they were all like, wow, look at this. This guy's 5'5", whatever. And I don't know the exact figure, but apparently he had like 40 points at halftime or something crazy where they were just like, he just smoked the team. They're like, yeah, he's pretty good. He was a scorer, yeah. Earl Boykins was absolutely a scorer and really strong. Like, famously, he could

bench press like 450 pounds or something insane. Boykins. And then the tallest, I can't even bench press a Bogues. The tallest is George Murasan. Now, I think you were thinking of Manute Bowles. That's who I was, yeah.

Yeah, Murasan, they're both 7'7", but like Murasan has them by like three quarters of an inch. He had hair. Yeah, Manute was- Yeah, with the hair. So, but both 7'7", basically, but then Murasan a little bit taller. And he was in a movie, wasn't he?

George Murasan. My Giant. My Giant with Billy Crystal. Yeah, that's- With Clippers, Clippers longtime fan, Billy Crystal. Yeah. That's when you go to the Clippers game and you bring people from overseas. Like I always take them to a Clippers game and they're like,

oh, who can you see on the sideline? Because you get Jack Nicholson at the fucking Lakers and all these famous people. I go, if you look very closely, you can see Billy Crystal. James L. Brooks. Who else? Floyd Mayweather always seems to be at the Clippers, but I don't know if that's more popular. He's at a lot of games, though.

He sees like every basketball game. Well, the Clippers came the in team, though, for a while when they had, you know, Paul and Griffin. Yeah, when I started following them, it was Paul, Griffin, Jordan, you know. Lob City. Yeah. Of these players, who was not the

number one overall pick? Shaq, Andrew Wiggins, Kobe Bryant, or Mark Aguirre? He said Wiggins. Yeah. It's Kobe. I believe Kobe was 16th or 12th or something. Yeah. And then he was traded. Yeah, he came in straight out of high school and there wasn't a lot of you know, scouting wasn't what it is now in 1996.

So a high school player, how many people really saw him and really knew how good he was? The Lakers knew, though. And so when the Charlotte Hornets selected Kobe, they the Lakers then swung a draft day trade. then swung a draft day trade, Vladi Divac for Kobe, for the young Kobe Bryant, fresh out of high school. And NBA history changed on a dime in that moment. Malice at the Palace.

You had no clue what that was, Jim. Yeah, that's a big one. You've seen it though, for sure, Jim. The Malice at the Palace is a famous fight that occurred at the Palace of Auburn Hills in Detroit, Michigan. The Indiana Pacers were playing the Detroit Pistons. They were big time rivals at the time and the Eastern Conference. And, you know, one thing led to another. Metta World Peace then run our test and laid on the scorer's table.

A fan threw a drink down from the stands it landed on we're on our test he charged up into the stands and next thing you know this one of the biggest and most infamous yeah i didn't know i didn't know it had a special name yeah yeah and it it was so crazy i was uh when that what happened i had been up for like two days on drugs. And I was watching that game because my girlfriend at the time was asleep in the next room or whatever. I'm just watching the game. And you know, like when you're like, you've been on drugs or something like, I don't know. I've had Rhyme. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And like, sometimes you don't know if stuff's real or not. It was so weird that that was how I was like, is this real? Like, why is he in the stands fighting this guy right now? And then there was like people punching on the court. And I'm like, this can't be real at all. I was like questioning reality and stuff. I was watching it live. I was just like, okay.

It's like one time I was in Palm Springs on mushrooms. Oh, yeah. There's a basketball thing, yeah. Yeah, this is basketball related. It's very loosely basketball related. So I'm on mushrooms at Palm Springs Springs and I'm there with my now wife and it was one of our first dates and we were watching the news. The news was on and then all of a sudden I just saw like Dennis Rodman

in a MAGA hat crying about North and South Korea and North Korea being unified with Donald Trump and I rang Forrest up and I went, is everything alright? I thought I was just freaking out. I didn't know. You saw Dennis Rodman crying on TV. Dennis Rodman's wearing a MAGA hat and crying

about Kim Jong-un. What's going on? I had no context. You're just like, is everything okay? I'm like, what do you mean is everything okay? Like, Dennis Rahman's crying on television. It's like, everything's fine. Just come back to whatever you're doing. I totally remember that.

Yeah, and I don't know if this is a true story, and I just remember hearing this, like, when Ron Artest, and who else was he fighting with on stands? I forget. Well, Ron Artest and who else was he fighting with on stands? I forget. Well, Ron Artest was like basically fighting fans. Yeah, but there's another player fighting with him. Steven Jackson. Steven Jackson. Yeah.

I heard a story where they were in the locker room after the entire place got turned upside down and then he's talking to Steven Jackson and he just turns to him and he just goes, hey, do you think we're going to get in trouble for this? That's exactly. Yeah, that has been reported. He was like, do you think we're going to get in trouble for this? Yeah, that's exactly what has been reported. He was like, do you think we're going to get suspended?

What is going to happen? What are you talking about? And what did happen? They just got suspended for a bit? I mean, Ron, our test was out for the year. It was a big deal. It was a really, really big deal. There were a lot of changes. Some would

say kind of like overbearing changes that the league put down, you know, it revamped dress code, things of that nature, because of the bad optics. That's why you're no longer allowed to fight the fans. The world's gotten too PC with this bloody cancel culture. I liked it when, what's his name, the baseball player, Ty Cobb used to just beat up people with no arms. Yeah, crawl into the stands, yeah.

Didn't he beat up a person with no arms? No hand, yeah, he said he was heckling them, I think. The guy with no arms was heckling him, so he punched the shit out of him. Great ball player. Hall of Fame, baby. Tim Donahue, you said was Tim Duncan's name before the stage out of me. Great bowl player. All the fame. Tim Donahue, you said was Tim Duncan's name before the stage name. Yeah.

Oh, Tim Donahue. So Tim Donahue was a longtime NBA referee who it would come to light had been involved in a organized crime involved point shaving scandal that he was taking part in using his role as a referee. So he would call fouls on players to try and affect the spread and, you know, try and affect the outcomes of games. And the NBA,

the NBA investigated and said that there was no actual, none of the actual results of games were altered, but I think that there is significant evidence to say that that was not the case. The recent podcast about this, but the NBA just kind of wanted that to go away. So Tim Donahue was ejected from the league. He did time,

but it was, I think there's, there's quite a bit of circumstantial evidence and even hard evidence, analytical evidence that he did affect the outcome of lots of games or else why would organized crime be using him? Why would he be involved in it? We just like this specific score. It has nothing to do with the outcome. I like that the NBA did the investigation. Like, it didn't affect anything. And that's it.

And he's gone, and that's it, and we're moving on. What were you saying, Jim? I was just thinking about it. I saw that documentary on the guy from Goodfellas, the actual bloke from Goodfellas, and he used to bribe the players in college basketball. You ever seen that? That's a good one.

It's not a very funny thing to say. It's fine. You said Donald Sterling is a misunderstood man. Oh, I was joking. That was a joke. Don't get me in trouble for that. I wrote in the notes, misunderstood man, also terrible person. He was a guy who dated a – he still has his wife.

He owned the Clippers, and he said some very disparaging things about black players, black people in general. And then his girlfriend called him out, and then he sold the team at a massive profit, and that'll show him. He sold the team for like over a billion dollars, like a mental price. So, you know. I forget what it was. It was something like 1.3 billion or something.

And that's karma for you. Yeah. It was multiple billions of dollars. Yeah. Steve Boomer or whatever his name is. Balmer. Balmer. I like to watch him when I watch the Clippers.

He's my favorite thing about the Clippers. Why is that? Because he's just an animated little red tomato of a man and he just gets all fired up. You can see on his face, because he's at every game, during COVID I could tell the exact moment that Doc Rivers was fired. What? I was like, oh, and he's fired?

Why? What happened? Well, they didn't win. Oh, okay. They didn't fucking win. He bought all these big players and he's fired. Why? What happened? Well, they didn't win. Oh, I got you. They didn't fucking win. He bought all these big players, and he thought he was buying himself a championship. And Doc Rivers, they just weren't fucking up to scratch.

And he was pretty pissed about it, Barmer. And you could see it underneath his face mask. He was swearing underneath his little COVID mask. What do you think the Clippers' chances are this year? Well, listen, they have a great team on paper. I have a lot of, I just have a lot of questions about them when it comes down to crunch time, when it hits the playoffs, because they've had great teams on paper many times in the past.

They always, something always seems to happen. Either it's a key injury or just flat out choking in the past. They always, something always seems to happen. Either it's a key injury or, or just flat out choking in the clutch. Something always seems to happen with this team. They, they did get a little better with the addition of Serge Ibaka and stuff, but it's still the basic DNA with Kawhi and Paul George. I still think the Lakers are the favorite. It remains to be seen. Maybe they, maybe they figure out how to, to put it all together at the right moment, but it just hasn't happened yet.

Well, I have a question. Okay, this is just an opinion question. So I'm a Heat fan. I was, when LeBron decided to go there, it was elated even though everyone was angry at him. And I always defend him because they say that he made that announcement and it was like the decision was a bad one. You're one of the richest athletes to have ever been.

Do you want to live in Cleveland or Miami? Yeah. Oh, what a traitor. I've always had this opinion on fucking Wayne Gretzky. Where did he leave Edmonton for Los Angeles? They put documentaries about that they make fucking

documentaries about why he left Edmonton who cracked the code for fucking Los Angeles it's like there should just be

a photo of each town and that's the documentary 90 minutes of the photo his wife was like a hot chick who wanted to do acting I don't know

what happened here you think you got peed the king's rent to me His wife was like a hot chick who wanted to do acting. I don't know what happened here. You got paid the king's rent to me. I wasn't even mad when he left Miami because I was like, thanks for, thanks for your service here. It was amazing. But the discussion of whether he's better, him or Jordan is better. I think he's better than Jordan, but I don't know if I'm being. I think it's very, very close.

Right. And obviously, like, it's hard to adjust for eras. But in my book, I do think that he is. I think that he edges Jordan. I think that if he wins it, I think if he wins another title this year or at any point in his career, I think that would, in my book,, make it pretty clear that he's better than Jordan. Look at the things that happened. Jordan didn't have Deleva Dover. I mean, that's huge.

They didn't win that year, though, with Deleva Dover. He won one year with Dele. I think that was the one that they... He did win with Dele. Oh, they did? Yeah, he did win with Dele. I remember I was calling you up like, fucking Dele's playing good, man. No, that was the year. you called me when they lost. But then the next year I forgot he was still on the team.

Yeah. So, yeah, I do think that it's I do think that it's LeBron for a variety of reasons. The eight finals in a row is amazing. The longevity at age 36 to still be playing the way he is. I also think if you look at what happens when those two players left their teams, right? So Michael Jordan left to go play baseball, and the Bulls were

basically like a foul away from the Eastern Conference Finals, won 53 games. Scottie Pippen was an MVP candidate. LeBron James leaves Cleveland like the entire economy of the city goes into the toilet. Not to mention that the team is back.

Yeah, the whole city was just like, we're done. We got a chandelier in the middle of town. The other thing I would say is from the time he was like 14, there was pressure put on LeBron. And Jordan was like, they, you know, famously got covered in his high school. And then also, I know everyone says this, but the way social media and stuff is now, the worst thing they ever say about LeBron is he did the decision, which raised $4 million for the Boys and Girls Club of America. That's the worst thing he ever did was raise millions of dollars. I was going to say, he's a better person, no contest.

Just watching that documentary, I don't think Michael Jordan would have done very well in social media. No. He would have been canceled over and over and over again. Even Rodman, that shot when he's like he's going to take some time off

and he goes to Vegas, he shotguns a beer and gets on a motorcycle. I was like, what? I was like, yeah. They were just like

just going to put it on tape and he's just like the whole season. All right. Plus with Space Jam 2, we'll see if LeBron's Space Jam is better

than Jordan's. Oh, there's no way. There's no way. LeBron can act a bit. He can act a little bit. He was good in Trainwreck. He was legitimately good in Trainwreck. Legitimately great. Still a sequel, though.

What's the controversy of the bunny now that her boobs aren't big enough or something? She used to be fuckable, and now she's just a tomboy. And I'm fucking upset about it. Oh, they've reduced her tits. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even hear about this. She's no longer curvy. If you know anything about me, I try to stay off social media.

I didn't know. Yeah. Oh, God, I'm going to watch this now. They're also getting rid of Pepe Le Pew in Space Jam 2. Yeah, because he's a rapist. I think they're adding Harry Potter. What? What do you mean? Like live action? I think they're adding in a bunch of WB

franchises into Space Jam 2. It's not just Looney Tunes anymore. Oh, then it's not going to be good at all is what you're saying. Oh, don't get me started on fucking Harry Potter. Quidditch is a stupid sport. You get score, hoop, hoop, hoop, hoop, and if you get the little thing

with wings, you win. Don't worry about the other points. Don't worry about it. Just focus on the snitch. Let them score 100. That was a genuine strategy that a lot of teams would employ was like, let's just catch the snitch. Yeah, just go for the snitch. Never seen Harry Potty move,

but I don't know what you guys are talking about. I know what Quidditch is, but yeah. I've never seen a Harry Potty move, but I know what know what you guys are talking about. I know what Quidditch is, but yeah. I've never seen a Harry Potty move, but I know what Quidditch is. I've been on the ride. I've been on the ride at Universal. Well, I'd still fuck that rabbit. She's still super hot. That's all we've learned on this podcast. She's still hot.

You don't have a problem with her. And plus, she's sporty. I like that. Takes care of her body. And I heard she fucks like one of a kind. Okay, so this is the part of the podcast we call Dinner Party Facts. We ask our guest to give us like one fact or interesting story about the topic that maybe you think our listeners wouldn't know

it's kind of like um that they can use like a dinner party or a bar so anything that you could think of that oh sure so uh the nba logo has kind of been in the news about whether it's gonna be changed there's a bunch of players that want it to be changed to uh kobe bryant and it's you know pretty iconic outline of a basketball player kind of dribbling the ball, moving down the court and red and blue colors with white. That is the outline of Jerry West. It's a picture of Jerry West, Laker legend Jerry West. And it is, you know, that's a well-known fact. People talk about it all the time. It's referenced, but the NBA has actually never on the record admitted that it's Jerry West west because uh they you know didn't get his uh they didn't get his okay to use his

likeness for the for the logo and they just and and paid the artist to just kind of do it um so they've it's while it is widely accepted that that is jerry west um the n NBA has been very cagey about that fact. And when they have been asked about it in various interviews, they've said, oh, all the records pertaining to, like, where that art came from, we lost them. Well, see, this is the thing. I've been trying to sue Pillsbury for the longest time. Because they never got my okay on that.

It's very clearly me. That's great. I've heard that thing the whole time. Yeah, it is Jerry West. The NBA is like, nah, that's Johnny West. They've just said that they don't know who it is or what the artist's inspiration was, and they don't have any records of what happened.

The artist has said that it is him. Yeah, he's like, that it is him. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, it literally was him. I'm like, wow. Okay, cool. All right. Well, thanks for being here.

I just want to reiterate again. The new shows are called Take Line and All Caps NBA with Crooked Media. Where can people find that? You can find that on the Take Line YouTube page. You can find me on Twitter at at network, N-E-T-W-3-R-K. And you can find all my bio and stuff there. And then you can find it on the Crooked Media channel,

Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. TakeLine in all caps. Awesome. Well, thanks for being here, Jim. Thanks for having me.

Yeah. Yeah, that was great. Any parting thoughts, Jim? No, but thanks for being on the podcast. I appreciate you being on.

This is fascinating. I think your scoring was not accurate. He was doing the Tim Donaghy. His point shaving. Yeah, shaming it. I'll split the money with you, though, Jim. It did affect the outcome. He does work for crooked media, so you can't trust this guy.

If you ever see the NBA logo and someone says to you, you know that's Muggsy Bogues, go, well, I don't know about that. Thanks for listening. Good night, Australia.