I Don't Know About That - The Renaissance

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

Notorious art snob Jim Jefferies wows everyone with his vast knowledge of the Renaissance period. JUST KIDDING. Our expert Jason Taittinger ( @JT8njr ) does that. ADS: TRADE COFFEE: Get a free bag of coffee with select subscription plans when you visit https://www.drinktrade.com/idkat.   FOLLOW JASON: YouTube:  @JT8njr IG: @jasontaittinger Facebook: @JBT8njr Email: [e-mail] For prints and merchandise of Jason's paintings go to Watercolor.printify.me Explore Merchmonger at Merchmonger.printify.me

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Kermit the frog. This piggy. If they fuck Do they have a child? You might find out I don't know about that The ginger pig Forrest is already laughing

Because We started We started it And your mind was somewhere else And I knew your mind was somewhere else And you were like The music went too long Before you said anything Yeah I wasn't thinking I was angry about something else Normally your mind was somewhere else and you were like, the music went too long before you said anything.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking. I was angry about something else. Normally you've said something already and you're like, I knew you were gone. You're like, your brain was somewhere else. Kept the frog with his piggy. What type of a hybrid animal would that be? Pig frog. I just looked at your face too.

No one's going to see your face in that part, but you were like this. What gigs have I got coming up? Vegas this week. 8th and 9th at the Mirage. At the Mirage this weekend. This week. Please come out. If you're in Australia and he's coming out for the NRL, stick around. Is that called the Hard Rock yet? I think it's always going to be the Mirage. It's Mirage owned by the Hard Rock.

I think they'll keep that name probably, but who knows. Spirit Mountain Casino the next week on the 16th in Grand Ronde, Oregon. The 22nd and 23rd of March, you'll be in Des Moines at the 22nd and Kansas City, Missouri on the 23rd. Then you're in South Africa. You go to Spokane, Washington, Denver, Colorado. LA gig has been rescheduled for December this year.

Been rescheduled. But you've got gigs in Fort Lauderdale, San Francisco, more Las Vegas, a bunch of other stuff. Go to the jimjeffries.com for his whole tour. You can find everything on there. If you're a Canadian fan and you live in Canada, I have a big announcement

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All right. We've only got a limited amount of time in the studio, but I've got to tell you what happened to me yesterday. Forrest already knows. So this is my life as life happens, right? I'm not going to say where this happened because I have to see these people on the regular. It's a thing to do.

I'll just say it's parents of other kids at my kid's school and stuff like that. You know what I mean? So I was at a... Oh, stuff. It was at me kid's baseball. Me kid's baseball the other day. And I had a hemorrhoid that's popped, right?

What does that mean? It means it was bleeding profusely, but I thought I had gotten it earlier that day, right? Yeah. Now, you know when you shit yourself, right? There's a smell involved, right? So even if you don't feel the shitting of yourself, you can smell the shitting of yourself. Yes. And that can that can

work as a survival technique in its own way i have to get home and clean the shit off myself well i did not know this but i had a hemorrhoid that had popped that had seeped through my pants you wrote to me i had a hemorrhoid pop and blood all over my pants at hank's baseball practice i go was it was it showing? And Jim goes, you tell me. We'll show that. Don't show the picture, no, the public can't see. It looks like a gunshot wound.

That's inside the pants. It looks like I committed suicide by putting a shotgun up my ass. That's inside the pants, though. Is it that bad outside? It's outside, inside. It had to go through underwear that was the underwear was in a real state you didn't feel like well you're like oh it's just a bit swampy down there i wasn't feeling i knew that my i knew that my hand was the next thing

you wrote i feel great now because it's gone but who knows who saw it there's inside there's outside oh geez like a three-parter on the outside there's outside yeah outside's no good hey dave even on the screen saw that for a second i'll take screenshots pixelated and i was like but anyway you don't know if anyone saw it i they must have but the brother you've got ketchup no one said yeah that's my out my out is i sat in something because it was red i came home the wife was cooking dinner and i came home like this my son doesn't know either because i didn't tell him i was just like this oh i had a bad hemorrhoid today how bad was it i turned around and she was like oh my god get upstairs quickly have a shower and i was like oh we're not lightheaded it looks like so much blood. I lost so much blood. I'm not allowed to give blood because I'm anemic.

I go in there and they don't let me. Wow. They don't let me. Also, there used to be a question. There used to be a question back in the day. Have you ever seen an escort? You had to tick all the different boxes whether you could give blood. Have you ever seen an escort? Yeah, yeah.

And I was like this. I can't give blood. Sorry, rest of the world. I think they're a bit more lax with it now because they can test the blood. But back in the 90s with the worrying about the AIDS and that type of stuff, that was on the list of shit, right? And I was like, I remember trying to give blood in the 90s, and I was like, can't give it, why?

Anemic. What are you doing with his pants? I washed them. They came out great. Oh, really? Yeah yeah Threw them straight in the machine They fixed That would be like an ad for Tide

I was going to say Put them up for auction Man These things here Look like I sat on a murder It was unbelievable Because And now

I'm completely better I had no problems with hemorrhoids One swelled up And then I had a bad poo And then it was dripping a bit And then Because you've got to understand It's a varicose vein. It's a vein that's busted, right?

It's squirting fucking blood. We did an episode. It's squirting blood, right? It was an episode that everyone tuned out of. And I thought I'd fixed it. I thought I'd pushed it back up. If I knew it was going to be like this, I would have put a fucking- Did you stand up a lot at the game?

Give a rally on the drums. It was training. I was helping collect balls. If I just sat in the stand, I would have gotten away with it. But I'm out there going, there you go, lads. Because I'm not very... This is in front of kids. I'm not very coordinated.

So some of the dads are there with gloves and stuff and trying to help out and stuff like that. And I try to make myself busy. I go, I'll collect a few balls and put them in the buckets and stuff. I do things like that. I do a bit of low maintenance work around the place. All whilst having a fucking Japanese flag on my fucking asshole. That's more than a Japanese flag.

It's three parts. That's like the Chinese flag. It was the Japanese flag when they opened up the flag for the World Series final. Anyway, let's see. Before we go, April 24th, 26th, Factory Theatre, Sydney. I'll be there. Please buy tickets.

Sydney, Australia. Now, Jack, we recorded this bit after the first bit, so you'll now know why I'm referencing. Let's just say that what I did was not what this next subject is. Now let's meet our guest, Jason Taitinger. G'day, Jason. Thank you for being on the podcast. But more importantly, now it's time to play...

Yes, though. Yes, though. time to play. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Judging a book by its cover. Now, Jason, I'm looking at you. You've got art behind you. It's art of wildlife.

We've got elephants. We've got birds. We've got a skull there with things. We've got paintbrushes. We've got a soundproof booth, which means you probably do something. I'm going to say it's the life and times of bob ross am i correct i wish is it art related yes but not in the present is it the history of art that'll be a long podcast is that a no history of art that's a no okay okay is it uh

um is it is it the difference between oil and acrylics look at you jim well it goes further back than that my son's into art so i bought oils and acrylics and stuff i've gone to acrylics. I didn't know that if I had oil paint that my skin would be stained for the rest of my life. Like, you fucking watch Bob Ross. That cunt's doing it in a white shirt, just like this. And mix a bit of the titanium white with the blue. And over here.

Then fix your breasts. Dong, dong, dong, dong, dong. I got the thing. I was doing that in the garage. Dong, dong, dong, dong, dong. Fucking, I look like a Jackson Pollock painting But then I was covered in that paint thinner I'm pretty sure I've got some type of cancer from it

Anyway I know that you really are into Bob Ross now At some point we'll do a Bob Ross Bob Ross is fantastic How does he do it? It's like watching magic Is it Aboriginal dot paintings? What? It was going to be uh there was going to be a segment originally but we narrowed the focus down a little bit oh

is that what it was gonna be modern art no no like i said it it predates the oil and acrylic is it is it ruben and fat chicks uh no okay because that's what ruben liked right ruben like the rubens rubenesque but yeah it's peewee herman yeah i would think i! Ha! I would think a time period. Oh. Is it the Renaissance? Well, if you're going to say it like that, we're going to stop the podcast right now. Renaissance.

Yeah, Renaissance. Renaissance? You're saying Renaissance? I say Renaissance. Renaissance. How do you say it, Jason? Renaissance or Renaissance? I say Renaissance, but Jim, maybe his English is a little better than ours.

Yeah, I probably say it the way that the British say it. And the language is called English. That's true. Not Australian. He's a Renaissance man. Renaissance man. Renaissance, Renaissance. Renaissance man.

Renaissance Zellweger. So we're going to be talking about the Renaissance Specifically like mostly about the art of the Renaissance But Michelangelo Leonardo DiCaprio They're all there

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He's a fan of IDCat. Oh, wow. His YouTube channel is at JT8NJR and his Instagram is at Jason Taitinger. His last name is T-A-I-T-T-I-N-G-E-R. Facebook at JBT8NJR and you can email him. You gave your email.

You want people to email you? Yeah, JasonTaitinger at gmail.com. So go check out, we have links to all this stuff, watercolor.printifyme and merchmugger.printifyme to see some of his art there and paintings and things you can buy there's uh i'll show you right now we can we'll put these up here but he sent some of his artwork in but he also did like there's all the subject we've ever done on idcat poster and then oh wow the poo on a stick is really

that's a good one that is a good one yeah he's offered to send us a stick is really, that's a good one. That is a good one. Yeah. He's offered to send us t-shirts. Pooh on a stick. Yeah, I don't know if that works. I still want to call it to a poo on a stick. You got the poo on a stick t-shirt. Yeah, I think we offered to send them to him. I don't want to put pressure on him, but he's offered to send us t-shirts. Oh, yeah.

I love it. You still want to call it to a poo on a stick. I love it, poo on a stick. Yeah. Can't do it anymore. We talked about that in the last podcast. Why? Can't find dog shit anywhere.

Oh, that's right. It's all gone. Back in the day day you could get poo on a stick i always found it weird that i was at school i was stepping in dog shit who brought the dog to school let me tell you something funny that happened from our last episode was you mentioned that you never step in dog shit anymore it was like a curb episode and then literally the next day i came over to your house to play pinball and i brought arnie and arnie was running around my yard in your yard and then i went took him for a walk and he hadn't pooed and i'm like oh my god did he poop in jim's yard and i didn't know that and then i thought you're gonna say and then he pooped right after that but for a moment if he wouldn't have

pooped i would have thought there was poop in your yard i would have to go back there you would have stepped in it you know the rest so here's what we're gonna do i'm gonna ask jim a series of questions about the renaissance and renaissance art. At the end of him answering these questions, Jason, you're going to grade him on his accuracy, 0 through 10. Jackson, grade him on how confident he is, and I'm going to grade him on how hungry I am. Jack didn't think that was funny.

Add those together. We actually record the first bit before the second bit because our guest has been here earlier, and so we're going to record the first bit. So I'm going to tell a story in the first bit before the second bit because our guest has been here earlier, and so we're going to record the first bit. So I'm going to tell a story in the first bit that Jack doesn't know yet, but I'm going to reference it now as a bit of modern art. Okay. All right.

So we're going to add all the scores together. If you score 21 through 30, you're ceiling painting, you know, old Michelangelo 11 through 20 canvas painting. Ah, that was the Sistine Chapel, my friend. I hope that's a question. Super 10K painting. all the scores together if you score 21 through 30 your ceiling painting you know old uh mclendale 11 through 20 canvas ah that was the sistine chapel my friend i hope that's a question 10k i've seen it i was so drunk okay i got fucking wasted before i went in there wandering around just looking at pictures where is he where's the bloke on the roof it must have been a delight for other people i was like I was 21 years old. I was fucking blasted walking around museums in Italy,

drunk at everyone. People that were like 50, like, we finally made it. There's just some Australian guy. This is still a church. Where's the bit where he just extend his fucking finger? He's trying to touch God. Who is it? Is it Adam or is it Abraham?

Who is he trying to touch God there? I don't know. It's Adam. It's Adam. It's Adam, right? There you go. Extend your finger, cunt. What was the Renaissance? The Renaissance was a rich and fulfilling and bold era of the art world.

Was it? Yeah, it was maybe where we got true imagery of Renaissance paintings. Do you want to know what years sure that's the next question when what is that your answer for what yeah fucking true fucking uh the 1800s 1800s and that's the end of your answer for what the renaissance was yeah man okay define a renaissance man ah he's a person that has a little bit of je ne sais quoi a little bit of jacques could do i just say things now it's like i'm on the one percent club and people come up to me and ask me for one percent questions so i've made up ones that don't have any answers and i

walk away i go if tuesday is a monday and february is august what is j Monday and February is August, what is July? And then I walk away, leave it with them. Yeah. Is that the end of your answer, defining renaissance? The answer is seven. Okay. What converging events and technologies helped spark the renaissance? Oh, the invention of oil paints.

Yeah? Yeah, oil paint. Oil paint. Putting in oil paints. This renaissance wasn't all about art, just so you know. Oh, there was other things. Mandolin playing. There was lots of things.

It was when Europe was at its peak culturally, when it was really doing all the best stuff it could do. Actually, I'm going to go further back than the 1800s. Sure. 1700s. Give it a go. Give, I'm going to go further back than the 1800s. Sure. 1700s, give it a go. Give a rally on the drums. And then, so the converging events of technologies was oil paints sparked it?

Oil paints and the first bloke that invented stretching canvas. Before, it was just like a blanket. No one really painted it. And then the guy goes, put wood behind it and stretch it out. Make it a bit, make it taut. Okay. Name five artists that four all right name the four artists that the four ninja turtles are named after what were their weapons like what

did they do like okay so rafael had size right which is like three prongs and i mean like their weapons and quotes like as as as the renaissance what did they do donatello used a stick no no in the renaissance what did they do like numchucks painters or they were painters no no each one which okay okay so michelangelo yeah my uh michelangelo wrote um did the sistine chapel the statue of david other statues that he never finished. He was a master statue maker with marble, but also could paint like a motherfucker, man. Okay. Yeah, so that was him.

He was probably Italy's finest of all time. And Raphael was? Raphael was a painter. He did that painting that had that sort of bloke who had a little bit of a goatee. He was into the paint,afael donatello donatello did a uh banksy style thing with stencils and spray paint all all around the sistine chapel like if there was a hole he'd spray paint a little rat running out of it and he was also who was the fourth ninja turtle uh donatello rafael michael angelo

turtle uh donatello rafael michael angelo leonardo da vinci what what did he do in real life leonardo da vinci he painted the mona lisa and he also painted things like he the inventor yeah but he's also an inventor he invented the idea of helicopters and stuff like that. He was a master engineer on top of being a painter. And what weapon did he have as a turtle? Leonardo. Leonardo. Leonardo was swords. Name some Renaissance artists. Which is much better than a stick.

Much better than a stick. Much better than a stick. Name someissance artists that are not ninja turtles like uh monet he would have been one actually i think he's way afterwards i think he's in the he's not renaissance yeah but i'll get i'll throw him in there master splinter that what that big fucking the one that looked like a pig With a rhino Rocksteady and Bebop Any other artists Shredder

Any other artists from the Renaissance There was more than four Yeah I know there was more than four But I'm trying to think Ruben Ruben Ruben He would have been one

He made the sandwich right He made the sandwich And that's To feed to the women to make the paintings. And fat. Look, I'm no water painting. I love that saying when someone goes, you're no water painting. I've never heard that.

You never heard that saying? When someone's knocking someone's looks and they go, well, you're no water painting. You're no water painting. You never heard that You've never heard that saying When someone's like Knocking someone's looks And they go Well you're no water painting You're no water painting You've never heard that saying No No I use that all the time I like it I'm gonna

Any other artists You must be a water painting Jack Because I would have said it To you otherwise Thank you I'm gonna say Rembrandt That's a good one Rembrandt

Rembrandt What do you think about that Pretty excited for you Yeah Rembrandt. What do you think about that? Pretty excited for you. Yeah, Rembrandt. Venus drinks Milo. Okay. That's not an artist. I know.

It's the oldest bit of art in the Louvre, which is also where the Mona Lisa is. What do the following painting terms mean? You ready? Yes. Chiaro. Ah, chiaro. Yeah. Chiaro. Ah, chiaro. Yeah. Chiaro means long strokes in Italy.

Okay, scuro. Scuro, small, little, spotty strokes. Scuro, scuro, small. Okay, what about sfumato? Sfumato? Sfumato is a gay slur from the olden days. I hear that Michelangelo was a sloughmato. Sfumato.

Yeah, which means ceiling painter. Okay, next question. Who painted the Sistine Chapel? Michelangelo. The Sistine Chapel was painted with what ancient, now obscure method? The tip of your dick. There's still a tip, doesn't there? Okay, so. That okay so Picasso I told you yeah so what what's the question yeah I couldn't I could do Aboriginal dot paintings the

Sistine Chapel was painted with what ancient now obscure method there's a method that Michelangelo used ancient yet yet obscure. It was all catapult. All catapult, 24-7. It was amazing it came out so good. How long did it take Michelangelo to complete the Sistine Chapel? You were there. He started on a Sunday, and it took him five years. But he would have had a terrible bad back,

because he was always laying on his back. It's like working on his back. He's just doing that. It's like working under a car. I mean, he must have had some type of, what type of paints was he using? Would it have just been clay? That would have been the method probably. Oh, clay. Catapult.

Clay. Clay. Clay paints. Clay. Clay paint. Clay paint. What other items did Michelangelo complete, like famous? David is his most famous. I'll tell you this.

Michelangelo's David. And I went to Florence most i'll say this michelangelo is david and i went to florence and i saw all this there's all the different ones but when you see the real one even i was in caesar's palace the other day and they have an exact replica and it's very impressive yeah but when you see the real one and you figure out that that cunt did that with a fucking wash cloth i can't make any mistakes and a hammer and you can see the veins and his head is is bigger than his feet because he knew people be watching it at a certain angle and all type of stuff i i i saw it i watched it and i look i'm not a big art officiato or anything like that but i went back again it's the only time i went

back the next day i said i have to see it again it was it was it i and i would like to go take my children to see it or something like that um i don't know if he also did the big fountain in Rome where everyone flips the coin over the back. Tivoli, not Tivoli. Okay. You know the one. David and the fountain. Anything else? There's a whole lot of work that he hadn't completed that's in the same museum as Florence, which is amazing.

It's like Moses, but he's coming out of the stone. It's like something's coming to life out of rock. It's even with these ones that were half finished, they were amazing. But, but, um, I would say the Sistine Chapel and that, oh, and there was another, there was a, there's a mother Mary, uh, there's a Mary statue he did that was a bit of a winner. What is Leonardo da Vinci's most famous piece? Uh, Leonardo da Vinci's most famous piece.

Leonardo da Vinci. Da Vinci was the Mona Lisa. Okay. What else? What? Okay. The Last Supper. Is he the Last Supper?

I'm going to say he was the Last Supper. Who's the Last Supper? I don't know. I don't know. Leonardo's most famous. It's on a wall. That one's painted on a fucking wall, man. Leonardo's most famous works. You know where it is?

That's in the Louvre. Okay. Leonardo's most famous works It's on a wall. That one's painted on a fucking wall, man. Leonardo's most famous works, you know where it is? That's in the Louvre. Okay. Leonardo's most famous works were paintings. In Paris. What else was he known for? Country. Leonardo da Vinci was an inventor, and he invented aircrafts long before we had aircrafts

and stuff like that. Did he invent them or did he do what you do? He may have mis-sketched them, but he did what they... Yeah, I don't even sketch mine. Yeah, yeah. Jack sent me one the other day. There's like a battery that won't run out. Yeah.

It's real. My idea. There's one now. Yeah. Who were the top two financiers of the Renaissance? I would say the Catholic Church and Scientology. Catholic Church and Scientology. Catholic Church and Scientology. All right.

Columbus sailed to the New World in what year and who finances Voyage might be related to the last question. So Columbus was Italian. We did an episode. And he sailed in 1672. And who finances Voyage? Do you remember? Gilligan. Gilligan.

Gilligan. Who is considered the most significant, what is considered the most significant invention of the Renaissance? Paint. Paint.

Paint. Oh, the paintbrush. Paintbrush. Before that, they just had horses' tails and they'd make them back up and they'd dip them and they'd go like this.

And then they went, we should put that bit on a stick and just cut this bit off. Yeah. And the home was like this. And then they went, we should put that bit on a stick and just cut this bit off. And the film was like this. You change the old ways, you change the new ways. Did any of the artists make any money? They always say that they never made money within their lifetime, but I imagine some of them would have made money.

They would have been people who, as you said, they were funded. I don't believe Michelangelo was living in a fucking box. Now, you've got like, say, Van Gogh, right, who wasn't part of the Renaissance, who's more current than that, right? He made nothing, they reckon, until he died. But when you scratch the surface a bit more about him, it turns out that he was a well-acknowledged painter in his lifetime. It's just that, you know, it wasn't a shit ton of money that he was making.

I'm a Ken doan guy ken doan i'm gonna put i'm gonna put ken doan in the renaissance he's still alive he's only in his early 80s but if you're listening ken hi if he was a ninja turtle what would his weapon be oh bloody if he was a ninja so what would ken doan's he would be the stars ninja stars because oh yeah ken's all about working quick. Splat, splat, splat. And he's like, color, color, color, color. I got a story about Ken Doan that when my nephew died, I went to his gallery and just I was walking around because I was working in Sydney and I'd been to my nephew's funeral and the next day I went to the gallery and I saw his paintings that reminded me of my

childhood and they were all colorful and it cheered me up for some reason. Whatever reason, these paintings spoke to me. They're childlike paintings, and I bought one that day. It cheered me up. Art can move you. I believe in art. I think art's very important. I believe in putting money into the arts as well.

I think that at school, I'm as happy when my son does well in as good an art class as he does in maths i have to be because he's from my gene pool and the chance of him doing good at maths or spelling is very low okay last question what is said to have ended the renaissance um is that meteor oh oh uh. That would have done it. Yeah. All right. Disco sucks. Sometimes the smallest changes make the biggest impact,

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So out of 14 questions, he got seven right. So that's 50%. Boom! Seven. Boom! I'm an old-fashioned man i'm gonna count these as we go i don't know if there's seven in there but okay how do you do on confidence i'm gonna give him a six i don't he didn't i didn't uh yeah i like i only like monnot i'll be honest i only like my favorite artist of old style art is van gogh right right? When I went and saw Van Gogh and I've been to his museum and I did, look,

earlier that day I'd gone to the Anne Frank Museum and I found the Van Gogh Museum more uplifting. And so I went to that one afterwards, right? And Van Gogh, Van Gogh, man, that guy, Starry Night, the little things from his window and all just little, that painting moves as you look at it it moves it's another one van gogh i'm pretty sure is what people say yeah but that's that's american van van van go because the dutch go van gogh van gogh well they're well

they're the most wrong yeah yeah the van gogh yeah and you know fucking earless cunny was mate but i had a bad hot dog out in front of there and missed the only show I ever missed with you yeah yeah Forrest couldn't get on stage I tried to get it was coming out of all ends

it was the sausage right out front of them van Gogh's yeah yeah we were doing 8,000 people in Amsterdam and Forrest couldn't

make it to the gig Amos was there luckily still but Amos and I went there Amos had some other sausage I had one and it was not good

not good wasn't the sausage a weird color too? And you were like, I shouldn't eat this. It was bad. He wasn't even drunk. He was eating it at the front of the Van Gogh Museum. I was like, I'll be right down.

And then I was like, I'll meet you there. I was like, I'll see you guys tomorrow. I only eat sausages at the front of the Anne Frank Museum. Better quality. Harder to find though. All right. I'm'm not that hungry so you're a cave painting right now uh what was the renaissance jim said a rich and fulfilling and bold bold era of the art world where we got true imagery how does that that's one of me questions and he said it was in the 1800s and up 1700s jason got any so he didn't back it up quite enough there but as far as the renaissance

goes um so things moved slower back then they didn't have the internet to say hey we've got this cool stuff going on so um it there was humanism earlier in the uh 1300s and 1400s and that was an expression of that people are more than just people in the Bible, I guess. They have potential to paint, to create, and to do good things. And so, I mean, it was a good, fun time. But if you lived 100 miles from Florence, you might not have ever heard of Michelangelo or any of the Ninja Turtles. Yeah, that's the thing with everything, though, isn't it?

It's like back then, you only lived 20 miles in India. That is a good way to put it, no internet, because we see the Renaissance as like, well, everyone in the world must have been talking about it. Oh, they were all going on about it. Meanwhile, it was like just some small area. They were all going on about it. But i was like just some smaller they're all going on about but yeah different cultures doing different style of paints like the the art they were doing in africa was different from the art in europe was different

from the art in south america but art was everywhere what what years would you say there's there's no culture that doesn't give it a go yeah what years so the years have a pretty broad range uh from the 1300s to the 1700s but what we're primarily talking about is the high renaissance from 1490 to 1520. so it really but i think at that point um and there were some other you know factors that kind of brought it to a screeching halt but it only got to australia in the 1600s and that's why i said that so oh yeah it's all good um um what is how do you define a renaissance man jim says a person has a little bit of je ne sais quoi and i'll also add to that uh um pocket squares good squares um well they dressed a little bit more flamboyantly than pocket squares back then. A Renaissance man was very well rounded, studying anatomy, botany, architecture. viewed as the pinnacle of the renaissance man because of his journals he painted um so he's

he's kind of the poster boy for the renaissance man and he did the famous what's it called that guy where he's standing like that and then his arms are a little bit like that it's the vitruvian man yeah that where you go that's the human body what's it called vitruvian man i know the thing you're talking about i bet you there's a movie called the vitruvian man i know the thing you're talking about i bet you there's a movie called the vitruvian man right it isn't there's a museum here and i'm sure other museums do this but i it's the the getty uh which is free to go to um and it's they have artwork set up where as you go from room to room it goes in that chronological way you know and when you go the initial stuff is i don't know if what you call

but it's like really not real realistic looking it up but not really and it's all super religious and you can see over time right when it gets to the renaissance that they're just kind of like yeah yeah when when do they start showing tits in paintings what you what you is that from the beginning i think no no the religious people got the way no no bloody religious jason tits do you know the answer when was the first tit that was when you get into um pre um like the pre-raphaelites and pre-impressionism um or during impressionism but like uh bouguereau was known for painting scantily clad women dancing with mythological creatures. But the Greeks were doing statues. I mean, the Venus de Milo was discovered in the 1800s

but carved way before that, and she was naked. Yeah, she was an aged amputee. An ACDC song as well. From the Wounded Greek Project. What converging events and technologies help spark the Renaissance? Hell of a blowjob, the Venus de Milo. Jim said the invention of oil pants and paints and stretching canvas. Yeah, canvas stretcher.

That was another thing he used to call so uh the the renaissance really um was because of the black death years before a lot of uh like if the blacksmith down the road died of the black death and you survived now you had more business so you had more money um constant constantinople uh fell due to war and a lot of the uh education um the books the uh scholars from there came to uh to italy and then uh rediscovery of the greek Roman texts. So that kind of brought everything together. Plus, if we think about Marco Polo and all the travel that was going on around the world, silks. So it was just a, it's kind of like, think of what it was like when, you know, the dot

com thing happened before the dot com bust or, you know, chat GPT. We're in our own renaissance as we speak. Have you been to Greece, mate? I have not. Okay. They're not taking care of their art very well. That's all I'm putting out there. You can go up to the Acropolis and all that type of stuff.

You can just sit on really old things. No one's stopping you from doing nothing. You could take a shit on the Acropolis and it wouldn't get cleaned up for a month. No, no, no. That would be the Acropolis and it wouldn't get cleaned up for a month. No, no, no. That would be the Acropolis. Some local stray cats would scrape over the top of it and move on. Yeah, no, like those marbles that they have in the British Museum that the Greeks want back and the English are going, you won't take care of them?

I'm going with the English on this one. Yeah, they got some problems. Remember that place we went to? I think we've talked about it, but the Poseidons. Yeah, yeah. We were standing across from there. The signs were all faded. We had buses and people coming up to us, and you're like, what does that say?

Poseidons, the most beautiful setting over the Aegean Sea. Stunning. Stunning. And they're like, ah, we'll get some new signs. They have all the natural beauty and architectural things to be the greatest location on earth. They can't lock it down. They're fucking hopeless.

They can't do it. They can't do it. Name four artists that the four Ninja Turtles are named after and their weapons. Jim said Raphael Painter did a painting of a dude with a goatee. Donatello, Banksy type art. Yeah, yeah michelangelo sistine chapel david and leonardo painted the monoliths invented helicopters like yeah so

donatello did like that famous sketch of the pope but he was wearing a dress on the bottom half and it was like but it was a stencil you haven't seen that donatello in lockdown as far as what he did but yeah can you talk a little bit about these guys jason yeah so uh donatello was also a sculptor who inspired michelangelo and he also lived most of these artists other than raphael lived to be pretty old especially when you consider the time donatello lived to be 80. he did a statue david that inspired michelangelo or michelangelo or Michelangelo. Leonardo, he was a painter, scientist, and inventor. And he died at the age of 67. Raphael was a painter, architect.

I believe he was also a poet. And he only lived to 37. He got a really bad flu or fever and died of that. And then Michelangelo was 88. He was a sculptor, painter, and an architect, and probably the most financially successful. And if you look at just the volume of work he did, he was a machine. And I heard he also was very difficult to work with.

This is Michelangelo, yes? He probably didn't care care did you say what was that was that michelangelo you were just talking about at the end there yeah he lived to 88 and you said he's i heard that he only worked when god told him to work is that is that a thing um no i i don't think so. I mean, he did a lot of work for the Pope. He was very religious, but, I mean, he did quite a lot of work. He does have a lot of things that aren't finished, but he did do quite a bit, quite a volume of work. And did any of these four lads have kids, families? Is there ancestors that are still claimed to be no none of them none of them were

married right the arts looking good for me all right um yeah i remember reading something that michelangelo used to like sneak into or knew somebody in some crypts or something and he would with dissect bodies oh i thought you're talking about the bloods and the crypts no no and that's how he was so good at like knowing the human body was by it was highly illegal i don't know if this is true jason i remember i don't know where i believe that there was uh because of the humanism there was a a little bit of a um blind eye turn towards uh dissection um but it was probably still like you know people were probably sneaking around but yeah there are um like i've seen people who've studied the statues the carvings that he's done and like if you uh move your wrist you can see a little bump right here

and when your hands open it's if that bump goes away and then when you close your hand and he actually carved that I think on to David like that little bump is coming out so he was that precise yeah and he must have been famous within his lifetime right we didn't just discover him afterwards he did so much work for the actual church and all the type of stuff that he was he was here oh yeah was he was a rock star in his own lifetime right you know i i think that rock star would be the a good term to use for artists in that period because i mean there weren't any sound recordings um you know there wasn't any amplification in the music front

so i mean but obviously you know we look at the greeks and they did have theater but it was always there and it was always i mean you think about how much of a presence god had in the lives of everyday people back then that or the church however you want to phrase that um so it was like just awe-inspiring and that's what it was for it was to show the power of God not to show the talent of the artist hmm yeah God got credit well God made everything yeah true and this was like I made you for when we're talking beginning at that like what is the Renaissance this was like when things are became more realistic to write is that what no yeah prior prior to um this this period um and we've got the chiaro uh skiro and sfumato yeah a lot of stuff looked like if you uh did a collage and you cut

characters out of a magazine and then taped them on a lot of paintings looked like that pre-Renaissance. So they started softening edges, doing light and dark and just adding dimension and also a lot of perspective. The Last Supper was a great example of perspective. was a great example of perspective. Unfortunately, Leonardo messed with different kinds of paints that weren't compatible, and it started crumbling within a few hundred years of it being made. And where is that? It's on a wall, right?

I was right about that. It was on a wall? Yeah, it's on a wall as well. It's in Milan. It's in Milan. Because I wanted to go there when we were there. That's the only reason I know it, because I looked up shit to do. We didn't do that?

We didn't do it. No, no, we were going to do it, but you need to make a reservation ahead were there. That's the only reason I know it, because I looked up shit to do. We didn't do that? We didn't do it. No, no, we were going to do it, but you need to make a reservation ahead of time. You know why? You didn't name drop? Well, we know Jesus. Yeah. The reason is that it's a stupid meal. You say you're God.

Organize a party, but everyone's sitting on one side. Yeah. Move around. Then Jesus can talk to everyone everyone's sitting on one side. Yeah. Move around. Then Jesus can talk to everyone. Maybe it was just for the photo. It's like he's just sitting at a fucking, yeah, maybe it was just for the photo. It's like he's sitting at a counter in a fucking diner. Jesus can only have conversations with the bloke next to him, either side.

Either side. No wonder Judas went, fuck this cunt. I'm sitting, he's way at the end. He keeps trying to lean over hey what's that famous painting in the diner and it has the what the dog's playing poker no no no it's got like a good one doesn't have like james dean or no yeah i know what you're talking about i forget the name maybe that's not the way that i think that's edward edward hopper uh i believe yeah it's the the night night hawks or night watch or something like that hawks yeah and i don't

think it does have... I think they put this one right here, Jim. That one, you've seen that. Yeah. Then they eventually put... He wasn't in there initially. Who did I say? James Dean.

Yeah, it's just regular people. I think they redid it and put James Dean in. I think they put Elvis and Marilyn Monroe and other versions. All right. Where are we at here? Oh, name some other Renaissance artists that are not Ninja Turtles. I said Monet, Ruben, Rembrandt, Venus, Drinks, Milo.

Yes, I stand by all those answers. So Monet was a few hundred years later, he was an Impressionist. During the Renaissance, I mean, we're mainly talking about Italy right now, but in Belgium there was Jan van Eyck. And then in Italy there was also Botticelli, Heronius Bosch in the Netherlands, Titian.

So there were a lot of artists from around. I mean, it's also very much a Western European focus. But, yeah, a lot of different artists from uh that region yeah the eastern europeans art wasn't as good there was a sculptor who just did potato on stick borscht so it was the rest was it all just like i know you just mentioned holland then and we have you know later on we have van gogh coming from holland and different things like that we're okay so the the british they're part of Europe, but not really. You know what I mean?

Not at all anymore. But were they churning out anything? The British was their Gary, Gary Davis. So you've got Michelangelo over here. He's doing his fucking statues and whatnot, right? Over here we've got Gary Davis. And Gary normally paints things that are so what did gary paint still life of guinness so the uh it was primarily i i don't know uh on the on the british

side um i i'm not sure if their empire hadn't been built up quite to the degree that uh i mean that most of this was in rome um later to be overturned but um i didn't bring up there wasn't a lot on uh england as far as what was going on but obviously there were art movements as far as well later on people yeah it would be the normans or something you know what they were doing back then in England? They were dancing around, fucking a pole, holding a bit of ribbon where they run underneath each other. It was a bleak society. They figured out music later, so we'll give them that.

Yeah, but look, what I'm saying is it rains a lot there, right? It rains all day. Of course you're going to have someone pay. Do you know, when I first moved to England in 2001, I did a lot of shows in Bristol. And Bristol is where Banksy began. And I remember going drunk back from Jester's Comedy Club, back to my bed and breakfast motel, right? Walking back.

And I used to walk past Banksy's that were just freshly painted and just be like, this guy's got something. Bit of fun. Bit of fun. Like the two cops kissing each other or the guy dangling out of the window. Then you'd walk by the next day and they'd be painted over. Like people hadn't quite embraced it yet as like this guy's intelligent. But there's my interesting story that went nowhere. That was good.

You wrapped it up. Well, you know what I mean? But I remember seeing it before it was something. If I had my time over, I would have gotten a jackhammer out and taken it like do you think you met banksy but you just didn't even know well were you banksy and you were just i i have i have a i have a friend who has who who in some way knows banksy but that's all i can say but i have not met banksy oh yeah jj whitehead no no but i have a friend who in some way knows banksy okay all right what do the following painting terms mean chiaro uh chiaro chiaro you said long strokes long strokes i mean so chiaro and skiro usually go together so if you

think of obscure and dark so skiro is dark uh chiaro light. So it kind of is about modeling and not having the features be so flat, rounded, you know, light and dark, giving some dimension to the subject. And a lot of the subject matter. I mean, there weren't a lot of landscape paintings. It was all pictures of Jesus and Mary or or statues. But in the painting world, chiaroscuro is light and dark and then sfumato is smoky. So giving a smoky appearance to, say, the background instead of having the background in focus, it kind of takes it out of focus.

And then that makes you focus on the main character. All the paintings from that era, they all had that same light, like candle light sort of effect on the face. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's when everyone looks their best. If you ever want to look hot, man, candlelit dinner, everyone looks good. Look over a table of candlelit dinner, you're like, everyone looks really nice right now. I want to die by a candlelight.

Die? It's going to take a long time to die by a candlelight. So when you're almost dead, you want to die by a candlelight. Why is he dying? Too much candlelight. One of those candles, Yankee candles. Yeah. The filament.

Get some candles. Okay. Who painted the Sistine Chapel? You said Michelangelo. And then the Sistine Chapel? You said Michelangelo. And then the Sistine Chapel was painted with what ancient and obscure method? You said the tip of your dick, a catapult, and then clay paint. Are any of those right, Jason? All of them.

So the clay paint is close. It is painted with plaster. So if you look, being as you guys are in Los Angeles, there's stucco everywhere. So if you think of, you know, if you've ever seen somebody building a house and stuccoing the exterior or interior walls, imagine putting down that plaster and then painting on it while it's still wet. So in addition to being in the dark and candlelit, Michelangelo was, he built a giant scaffolding. You can still see the mounting holes in the Sistine Chapel.

He built this giant structure where he could stand or lay down and he would transfer the drawings onto the wet plaster and then paint on it. onto the wet plaster and then paint on it so it was kind of like watercolor into it or a trowel of colored pigment that he was laying down just as if he was putting stucco on the building yeah what a pain in the ass yeah it's it's very permanent it's very sturdy but I can't imagine. I mean, and just the scale. I was in Los Angeles in 2019 at, there's in the City of Orange, there's the Arch Diocese of Orange building. It's a giant chrome building.

orange building. It's a giant chrome building. And they had a traveling exhibit of life-size copies of segments from the Sistine Chapel. And I was just amazed at how big those things are. And he painted them, you know, knowing that something was going to be in a corner or in a curve, he painted them to look realistic from the viewer's standpoint but they were very kind of um askew when he painted them you know if you're standing there looking at it from 10 feet it didn't look correct but from the ground it does oh well yeah see people i think the sistine chapel is just the the finger touch painting but that's only one panel there's loads and loads of panels yeah and like some of it's just like like a garfield cartoon mondays yeah yeah yeah family circus marmaduke yeah yeah yeah and then it's that one

it goes from the figures fucking books of genesis back and or up to you know god's creation of adam god creating the the the planets you know is kind of the six days of uh of god's life you know, God's creation of Adam, God creating the planets, you know, is kind of the six days of God's life, you know, shaking things up. And then how long did it take him, Jim said? He started on a Sunday and then it took him five years. I gave him a half point for that. I mean, it's kind of hard to know. It was four years.

There was a small break because of payments. He was trying to get the pope to to pay him and i think the pope was trying to not pay him to get him to hurry up um there's a not it's not a very good movie but there is a movie starring chuck charles heston as michelangelo um called the agony and the ecstasy. And it goes over the building of, or the painting of it. And just, you know, how Michelangelo was like, I'm a sculptor, I'm not a painter.

He wanted out, but he had to finish it. And because of his faith, he didn't want to disappoint the church. Yeah, I've read that book. It's by Irving Stone, but I don't remember anything in it. That's why. It's the life of Michelangelo. I remember a few things, but Charlton Heston.

I thought there was a Steve McQueen one where he played an artist or something. I remember something where there's a guy laying in the scaffold painting and he looks down in some movie. I can't remember. It might have been the one with Charlton Heston. Is that the one with the monkeys? Is it the one with the monkeys?

No. That must one with the monkeys is it the one with the monkeys no ah that must have been the monkeys that movie didn't even have chart nested it they were just a fictional band for the 60s good you went there okay uh what other items did michelangelo complete he said david and the big fountain in Rome question mark. So, uh, definitely right with David. And I was looking up David because that, um,

the marble, other sculptors had looked at it and they said they wouldn't take it on. And so I looked it up that the finished piece is 12,500 pounds. Hmm. And it from the quarry, the Carrara marble, it had to go 40 miles. So they didn't have cars.

They didn't have trains. And that's 40 miles by modern day road. I don't know how they got it down there. But he said that the, the carving that, that David was already in there. He just released him from the marble and uh jim was right about the head size being disproportionate show because they were originally going to put it

on top of a church but they were just so blown away by it that they were like we can't put it up there and let it just get on all the time so they uh oh you know made replicas of it um and his right hand is also bigger to give it uh the illusion of strength since he was about ready to uh take on goliath um the other one one thing about david quickly to what's that one thing about david quickly right so he's holding the slingshot on his shoulder right and he's got his other hand down here why no pants you think even back in those days if you're going into battle cover up your dick yeah i think it was probably a bit of an homage to the greek um olympians you know they competed in the nude um and it maybe was a sign of that he was poor or that he had a minor circumcision.

I have no idea. All I know is that if I was fighting a guy called Goliath, I'd keep my dick to myself. You show me yours, I'll show you mine. If I'm fighting a guy called Tiny, let's do it. What else were you saying about after the david um the other um jim kind of mentioned another uh sculpture uh with mary and it's the pieta and i've never seen this but i've just i'm just fascinated with uh that he completed it at the age of 23, and it is just a magnificent piece of art.

And I guess it's when you're walking in the Louvre, and you just pull a corner, and it's there. It's not really showcased. And to me, it's like, you know, this is an incredible piece of work, especially when you consider he was 23 years old. Holy cow. Yeah, it's got a lot going on that one. Sculptptures, to me, are always the most, I mean, it's all impressive. But when you see a sculpture in person, even if it's not a famous one, and you get up right next to it, and you start looking at all the little folds of the cloth and the hair, it's like, insane. There's one sculpture. Who's that sculpture? It's of a

woman's face, and it's like, nylon or silk, like curtain material over the face and you can see through it but you still like do you know the one i'm talking about that one's there's a veil on it the veil the veil yeah veil but you can see through the like the stone is the veil the stone is the veil it's carved through so at the same time i think i have it here yeah it's something else um like is that it that's the one that's the one where it looks like material old lady veiled lady the veiled toscano maybe i know i don't i don't know this is like all recreations of it yeah but it's something else man these sculptors know what

they're doing whoa this says the veiled there's a lot of veiled women though there's a lot of ones that are like veiled like that but still. But you see what I mean? The marble looks like material. Yeah, how are they doing? Very good. Very good. Very good. Because my dot paintings are my dick.

I don't know. Those come close. The Veiled Virgin on Wikipedia says, is a Carrara marble statue carved in Rome by Giovanni Straza. You know about him? What was he up to? Evidently carving. You know, what was he up to evidently carving what is Leonardo da Vinci's most famous piece is it the Mona Lisa you said the Mona Lisa and then the Last Supper Mona Lisa's I would definitely

say that I mean there's probably more copies of the Last Supper in old ladies' houses, but my mother-in-law has a copy of it. Mona Lisa's on phone cases, and The Last Supper's in dining rooms of old Catholic women. I wasn't married to Kate, but a very nice person. Kate? Not that I... That's got anything to do with being married. We love Kate.

But Kate's mother, who was somewhat my mother-in-law for a while, she loved a Jesus. She's still alive, but she loves a Jesus head bust, right? And she had one on top of the telly, right? Back when you could put – remember when you used to put things on top of the telly? Yeah. When something was really good, before flat screens,

you go, I'll put that trophy up there. You know, I've just gone go-karting with my brothers, and I've won. I'll put that on top of the telly. Everyone watches the telly. So on top of her telly, she had a bust of Jesus' head with thorns with blood dripping down, and his head was like this.

And she found that to be relaxing in some way. So it was always there. Sounds Catholic. Oh, yeah. Loved it. Loved it. I got her a crucifix. That was for a gift once.

She was over the moon. That's great. When she was leaving her house, she had a box of crucifixes. Just one box that said crucifixes. That's fun. Couldn't pick it up. It was so hot. Look, if someone gets possessed in that family they've

got it covered oh they've got it covered leonardo's most famous works were paintings but what else was he known for jim said he invented aircrafts and other things the skateboard yeah he he did have a lot of uh like a parachute type device a tank um some uh i can't remember the name of the movie. It was a Bruce Willis movie where they had the little bat wings for flying. So he did have a lot of inventions. Or was it Die Hard? It was Hudson Hawk, yeah. Wasn't Die Hard for you? Yeah, Hudson Hawk.

I'll tell you, you know that answer better than Bruce Willis. Oh, that's terrible. His poor fellow's got dementia. Okay, move on. Oh, it's in there now. I feel bad. Yeah, I hope you don that answer better than Bruce Willis. Oh, that's terrible. His poor fellow's got dementia. Okay, move on. Oh, it's in there now. I feel bad. Yeah, I hope you don't listen to this, Demi. Demi Moore, I'd hate for Bruce Willis' kids to hear that more than Demi Moore, his ex-wife.

Demi, listen away. Enjoy yourself, love. Sorry for calling you love. I've lost a few fans there. I think I'm a soccer fan. You lost her as a fan. Yeah, bloody hell. Who were the top financiers of the Renaissance?

You said the Catholic Church and Scient scientology jason what is that you gotta say the part got a half point on that one for the catholic church obviously uh the other one was the medici family they uh were a banking family that just uh came into a lot of money uh with uh shipping and all the importation and exportation of goods. So they would finance different projects in the name of God to have good standing with the church or voting powers or whatever it was. The Medicis. I remember that name. Yeah, yeah.

They invented rice. Medici? Didn't they produce the Bond movies? It's the broccolis. Different vegetable. Medici, there's a bridge. Don't they have a bridge or something like that? Sounds like a DJ in Vegas.

That's why Italy, Italians are a little bit smug in it. It's because they're the epicenter of all the good art, right? The food. Yeah. They're the art and the food. They of all the good art, right? The food. Get the art in the food. They invented all the good stuff, man. They did. And then... You can catcall all you want, Italians.

You've done enough. And did they finance Columbus's voyage as well? Jim said it was Gilligan. No, that wasn't a tie-in on that. I was just kind of throwing that one in because of, since you guys have done a Columbus episode. Are you saying if I'd remember? What's that?

You were checking if I'd remember one of the answers? And you didn't. I don't remember shit. I watched a game show the other day, this show called The Floor, which you've got to check this show out. Watch it from the beginning. It's on Hulu. It's Rob Lowe's hosting it. Rob Lowe

hosting TV. It turns out he's not a very warm fella. Turns out he's been good looking his whole life and just sort of rocks up like this. Okay, so you women want to have sex with me? Hi. But this floor, so all it is is you watch things and you have a clock on each

side. Yeah, I've seen the preview. They'll go kitchenware and they'll put up things and you've got to answer quickly as your clock goes down and everything so it's literally like this you feel like a genius as you do it you go fork spoon spatula ladle right like you're fucking you're killing it right anyways they were doing these episodes and and i had a friend over i was telling about the show and i was doing the episode again i'd watch the episode three hours earlier and i didn't recall any of the the all the answers i got wrong i got wrong again so you don't remember who columbus yeah no i remember he directed the home alone movies the end yeah it was spain and it was i thought it was portugal it was spain i don't remember episodes

yeah uh this the spanish uh funded him to go to either the end of the world and disappear forever or to the new world in 1492 who is considered the most significant invention or what is considered the most significant invention of the renaissance Jim said the paintbrush

before that they're using horse tails correct so in the 1400s the gutenberg press was invented and uh there had been printing presses before that but the thing with the gutenberg press was it was uh you could it was a movable type press so you could set it up to print i'll just say the Bible. You can print page one a hundred times and then page two. And so that was probably not artistically speaking, but the most significant invention.

Artistically speaking, I would say perspective and sfumato and stuff like that. But the most significant actual invention was the Gutenberg movable type press and did any of the artists make money um i know you said michelangelo maybe did or yeah michelangelo was uh estimated or it's now estimated that he was worth about the modern equivalent of 50 million dollars so he was a very much a workaholic and uh diddle i mean he i think he was accepted into a studio when he was 13. he started his formal training at the age of 13. so and like i said he did the pieta when he was 23 years old so to have that much talent and skill at 23 and to live until i think i said he was 88 um had quite a long he was car he was carving a

statue in his studio when he dropped dead then enjoy his money um what is said to have ended the renaissance was it disco uh yes it was uh funk and disco music um no, no. No, it was the Reformation. So there were so many names as I was looking this up, it was like I got lost. So basically the king was mad that the pope had a little too much power, and the king, you know, we think of Italy in the terms of today you know the boot but it was just rome at the time and then the king was also the king of austria and then later the king of spain so but basically he got mad that the pope had too much power and ended it and then also the

pope was getting tired of you know people being a little too humanistic. So it was kind of but other areas of the world. That's where then England and France had their own. But that was mainly the fall of Rome is what ended the Italian Renaissance. All right, great. Now is a time a part of our show called dinner party facts we asked our expert to give us a fact something obscure interesting they can use to impress people about this subject what do you got for us so um we've got a few but the um the first one i'll just say really quick

the only thing that michelangelo ever signed was the Pieta. And he, he overheard some people saying that there was no way that he could have created that. So in the middle of the night, he grabbed a chisel and a, and a mallet and went in and carved on the, on a ribbon across the chest of Mary. Michelangelo Bunarati made this.

And later he said he regretted that uh that you know act of of his ego but that was the only piece that he ever signed so um that was pretty significant uh i mean considering that he lived another 55 years thank fuck he wasn't around during the internet. Yeah. Fuck, it's one person he heard overhearing it. Oh, no. Fuck, and the criticism he could have had. Call that a fucking ceiling. You know what I mean?

Like, fuck, you know. And then the other one is there's a painting called Salvatore Mundi, and it's the most expensive painting ever sold and it was found like 25 30 years ago and um it's partially attributed to uh leonardo and nobody's really 100 sure but it was in horrible shape it it's more restored than it is real um and it it was bought at basically almost like a garage sale for 1200 bucks and then it sold for 10 000 and then it went for 75 million and then the uh saudi prince bought it in 2017 for 450 million dollars nft that's what it is now. Can we all agree that the Mona Lisa is overrated? What's your opinion?

You know, not seeing it in life, I can't say. Oh, I've seen it in life. It's small. You walk up there. Everyone's doing the same. No one's going. When you watch David, everyone's going, wow. Everyone's going, wow.

Everyone in the room's like, fuck. Everyone does this in front of the Mona Lisa huh that's it huh yeah why I wonder if part of that is like I mentioned earlier the Mona Lisa's on phone cases you can't have David in three dimensions on your phone case so there's probably a lot more and plus he's 17 feet tall So I think you're right with the scale of it all. It's just if she was a better looking bird, you know, maybe that would be something. With Marilyn Monroe, maybe. Yeah, give me a bit of Andy Warhol any day.

It's a renaissance. She's no watercolor painting, whatever the phrase is. Yeah, she's no watercolor painting. You know the Mona Lisa, she's no watercolor painting. Well, Jason Tanger thank you for being here please go check out if you're not watching

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you can buy that stuff at watercolor.printify.me he's got poo on a stick shirts at merchmonger.printifyme and then check him out his youtube channel at jt8njr and on instagram at jason tatinger and email him jason tatinger at gmail.com thanks for being here jason thank you jason i appreciate you being on the podcast uh ladies and gentlemen if you're ever in an art gallery and someone walks up to you and goes

do you know the mona l Lisa was painted by the same guy who invented the tank? Go, I don't know about that. And walk away. Good night, Australia.