I Don't Know About That - Vaccines (ICYMI)

Episode Date: August 31, 2021

This week, the team revisits the vaccines episode featuring Dr. Faith Hackett. New episodes will resume next week! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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that. It's only been a few days. So we're going to repeat one of our old podcasts, which is on vaccines. First of all, about the baby, thank you so much to everyone who's written and checked in. The baby came a little early, but everything's good and safe and healthy and uh um uh so thank you for all the well wishes um also uh go to jimjeffries.com i've got gigs coming up my next gigs are in new york i'm at the beacon theater i'm at the chicago theater after that um a few other places i'm coming to a city near you go to jimjeffries.com for tickets but enjoy this podcast this podcast is one we did on the vaccines now we recorded this one before the vaccine came out right there's a plane bloody chem trails hate

anyway people don't believe in the vaccine these stupid fucking conspiracy theorists anyway i i i still think this is more relevant than it was than when we recorded it it's a good listen enjoy and we'll be back next week well let's start let's start the actual show forrest take it away okay it's time to introduce our guest for today uh please welcome to the program dr faith hackett ah i already know too much now it's a doctor and it's a hacket. It's a hacket. I thought for sure we were going to keep the hacket out of it. Also not it's. She's right there.

Well, no, a doctor. She's a doctor. She's a hacket, right? But I don't like to use different pronouns with people anymore. I try not to guess these things anymore. But no, I know how it is. That's the world. Anyway.

So just so you know dr faith hackett uh this is the part of the show where jim is going to try and guess what you do just by looking around seeing what's in your home there or asking some yes or no questions i might give him some hints so because uh you're a doctor and you're from i am going to assume jack's family uh why would you assume that because of the name hackett and these other reasons and because you're from Jack's family I'm going to assume that you're a doctor in some type of sweet sticky syrup that goes

into carbonated water would that be correct yes yeah she's a doctor at Coca-Cola she's Dr. Coke I think she's being sarcastic I used to have a guy called Dr. Coke who came over to my house once a week. Wait, you're not being sarcastic?

No, sometimes I'm covered in icky syrup. I feel like I should stop asking questions at this spot and maybe we should just find out what she's a doctor in. That's it? You're not guessing anymore? You want any guesses? There's too much.

Give me a clue. Give me a clue. That's it? You're not guessing anymore? You want any guesses? There's too much in your windows. Give me a clue. Okay. Icky syrup is a lollipop. Okay, she's giving you a clue. Part of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You're a doctor of food preservatives? You're a Willy Wonka?

Now, children. How about children? There's a clue Wonka? Now, children. How about children? There's a clue. She's a pediatrician. She is a pediatrician. All right. You got that right. Okay.

Yay. Today, we're going to be talking about vaccines specifically. Dr. Faith Hackett. I love the vaccine. Okay. Dr. Faith Hackett is board certified by the American Academy of Pediatrics since 1986. She completed her residency at John Hopkins Medical Institution of Pediatrics since 1986. She completed her residency at John Hopkins Medical Institution in Pediatrics. She is on staff at Anne Arundel Medical Center in

Annapolis, Maryland, and she has been a practicing pediatrician in Severna Park, Maryland for 34 years. Now, my first question before we get into the vaccines, I don't remember pediatricians in Australia. We all went to the same doctor. This idea that your child goes to a different doctor to you wasn't something that I remember. Ross are friends. He kept on going to his pediatrician. I never understood that storyline. Is this an American thing or was I just going to the wrong doctors as a child? It's Australia.

You only had two doctors. No, you only had your doctor. You had your family doctor. You didn't have a special kid one. Yeah. No, you only had your doctor, you had your family doctor, you didn't have a special kid one. But you know, that's true here in areas that are like, very spread out, like in rural America, you won't find a pediatrician. But in very heavily occupied areas, like big cities, etc. There's so many kids, and there's so many adults, that it's easy to not be a family doctor, you can be, you know, very specifically dedicated to certain age groups.

They even have geriatrics where you only take care of people over 65. I should also mention that our doctor was also our vet. That's important to add into the whole thing. My pediatrician was Dr. Nash, I remember. And I hated getting shots. I guess all kids do. And then one day I ran out because he told me I was going to hated getting shots. I guess all kids do. And then one day I ran out because he told me I was going to get a shot.

I ran out of the doctor's office into the parking lot and climbed a tree. That's forest all over. So agile. It was the last tree you ever climbed. Okay. So this shot made him all bloat oh okay uh so dr hackett what we're gonna do now is um i'm i'm gonna ask jim to tell us everything he thinks he knows about vaccines i'm also gonna prod him along with some questions help him go along we'll let him ramble on there for about five to ten

minutes and after that we're gonna grade him how well you did you're gonna give him a grade one through ten ten being the best on his accuracy ke're going to give him a grade one through 10, 10 being the best on his accuracy. Kelly's going to give him a grade on his confidence, and I always do, et cetera. If he scores combined 21 through 30, large pox. 11 through 20, medium pox. Zero through 10, small pox. Small pox.

Yeah, I think you got it. I like that. You wait for that wave of largepox. That'll really wipe out a generation. I'll be taking some notes, Dr. Hackett, so that I can kind of lead us back to where we were, but feel free to if you'd like to too. All right, Jim, what is a vaccine?

A vaccine is something that is given to you to stop you from getting a disease or I'd say say a disease yeah something it's an injection that's filled with and sometimes it's filled with a small portion of the actual disease so your body will build up immunity so that you will no longer be able to contract you can still get the diseases but it's it makes it very very rare okay and it's only an injection can you do other things uh i believe it's only in needle form yeah okay all right uh where does the word vaccine come from uh from the latin to vaccinate wow no it comes from i was only being silly there it was very clearly from the vatican and uh It was to make young boys tell lies.

I'm not swearing. Thank you. That's one of the rules. Not going to have it laid down. There's boundaries here. How is a vaccination different from inoculation or is it the same oh um uh inoculation versus vaccinate i think inoculation is something that you do after you get something you can be inoculated for something after you've had the

condition already so you won't get it again and vaccines print uh preventive is that the word preventative as a predator it's a word now yeah uh when was the first inoculation um okay so look my on vaccines and whatnot i i know that the 19 uh late 1960s was when they oh no no the early 19 late 1950s was when they invented the polio one so it was ones before that polio wasn't number one i think we already did things for tuberculosis and we did uh did other ones so i'm gonna say they started vaccinating and in the 19 In the early 1940s. Early 1940s. First vaccination. Yeah.

And inoculation, you said, was different. 1938. Okay. You're killing it. Do you know what nasal insufflation is? That would be a way to inoculate someone through the nasal passage with a spray. Sounds good. Yeah, because that's why cocaine works,

because there's a lot of little blood vessels and stuff up there, and it can get into your system very quickly. And you have the sprays now when you've got a cold, because that's where the germs get into. So it's another way to vaccinate. There you go, yeah. Only if they came up with a vaccination combined with cocaine. That's how I get my feet in the water.

He'd be on supper. When was the vaccine invented and who discovered it? You already said 1940s, but who was the first person to come up with a vaccine or to coin the term vaccine? Yeah, I'm going to say who's the one who found the mole who found penicillin mary antoinette no she was the queen wasn't she are you sure you don't want to go with joe finkel who's the woman with the radiation uh is it marie curie marie curie she did it marie curie marie curie yeah okay uh how is the vaccine produced um in big metal machines that like if you ever see those how like like how they make sriracha it's similar to that

there's little needles that are all going along and then the little thing goes down and goes and then there's a little rooster label and then it goes into a thing and then some people and then the little needle goes thinking they get into plastic bags and then it goes into a thing and then some people go please and then the little needle goes thinking they get into plastic bags and then the little heater strip strip what seals the bag seals back seals the bag seals the bag and then there's like a lady who's been working there for 10 years going yeah a lot of people don't like this type of work but i like this type of work it gives me time to think about other things it's like an office documentary into boxes that's how they're that's how they manufacture drett, were you trying to say something?

You couldn't hold it in any longer? I was talking about making Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Yeah, and that's what they call it. Comfort food. It's a small vaccine. How do they test vaccines? Oh, I have to talk about this. Especially you start off with monkeys.

You inject them and see. You start off with monkeys. You inject them and see. You start off with rats. Then you go monkeys. Then you go homeless people, students, and us. Now, what they really have to do is they have to find, first of all, someone who's got the conditions. Right now with corona, there's no use. I guess they do test it on people.

Yeah, they're testing it on people who want to get paid $50 and to go in. Probably more money. They're probably getting more money. For COVID? For COVID, they're probably getting $5 who want to get paid $50 and to go in, probably more money. They're probably getting more money. For COVID? For COVID, they're probably getting $5,000, $10,000. And they come in and they inject them. And then they have one person they inject with just nothing

and one person they inject with the vaccine. And then they can have the test person versus the other and see if anything happens. Okay. Do you know how a vaccine works? A vaccine gives you the smallest amount of the pro the disease into your body so that your disease will build up a tolerant your body will build up a tolerance and then you will always be immune to that disease is the theory okay and so what

happens is you got your mris which are the ones that people are worried about so when i was a kid you used to get one vaccine or maybe you got one needle for each thing. Now we have needles that are like multivitamin packed and which will have your tuberculosis and the polio and the one, the tetanus and all that type of stuff. They'll all be shoved into you. Well, that's my next question. Name at least five diseases we have vaccines for. Okay. Polio.

Yeah. Tuberculosis. HPV. Polio. Yeah. Tuberculosis. HPV. Thank God. Thank God. That means like you weren't injected. What are you angry at me for? HPV.

We've got a vaccine for smallpox. Smallpox. What other one? Probably we had one for the Spanish flu because we got flu shots of vaccines. Okay. That's five. Yeah. Good.

According to the WHO, not the band. Yeah. Got it. All right. There are licensed vaccines for how many infectious diseases? I would say it would be quite a high number. I'd say 80 or 90. 80 or 90 80 or 90 is that your final answer yeah okay i'm gonna say 2000 you're gonna get oh you're gonna go 10 there's no in between

have vaccines eradicated any diseases um yes yes we what are they well oh well eradicated is a tricky one because we still have cases of polio happening in Africa and stuff like that. And I believe smallpox has been eradicated. I'm going to say smallpox has been eradicated. Smallpox. Yeah. Okay.

And how many deaths per year do vaccines prevent? Oh, it could be in the millions. Millions? It could be in the millions across the world. You can't quantify that number because you don't know how much a disease would have spread if we hadn't put the vaccine into use. We don't know how much smallpox or polio or whatever would go bananas with. Okay. And then now, what is herd immunity and how does it relate to vaccines? Herd immunity is when we all get together and we all get the same cold so that we're all as a group going through the same problem at once so that we will all eventually become immune to it.

And they tried that with the COVID in, I think, Switzerland or something like that. They tried herd immunity. Okay. And did it work? It did not. No, no. I believe the Swiss actually had a real bump in the whole thing and the countries around them were doing a lot better. And then people started blocking the Swiss from coming

into their countries in Europe. Okay. It was Sweden. Sweden. Same thing. Oh, hot people. Hot people. Is there a vaccine for COVID-19?

If not, how long till we get one? We have ones in the trial phase right now but we don't know and this is a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of problems with this right now because if they rush it out too quickly even i'm pro vaccine i might be a bit skeptical i want to see a hundred thousand people have it first but then we also don't know what the effects will be in a year's time or something so so i i believe that they have vaccines they think will work, but they still have to go through more tests and more time before they're sure that they do.

Okay. A couple more questions and we'll get here. I think you're doing great. Are there any adverse effects from vaccines? Well, it depends who you talk to if you talk well if you talk to an anti-vaxxer we'll talk about any vaxxers in a second let's them aside people people have argued that you can lead to autism no no don't talk about that like real adverse effect like at least what we would yeah your arm swells up i watched my son get one his arm but he's swelled up and the

bloody needles are painful as all balls okay but recoverable right yeah they're recoverable things i don't think there's a yeah i don't i don't think there's a lasting effect that we know of that we can categorically say okay with 100 definite that this is what's going to happen and i already know the answer to this but anti-vaxxers how do you feel about them and what do you think about i think they're detrimental to our way of life and what are they just so you they're they're people and i have friends who are anti-vaxxers i have people who i like the company of who i think otherwise yeah who i really like but they believe that um they believe that vaccines lead to more problems and what they sort of bank on is they bank on that you're going to vaccinate your kid right and everyone around got it so their kid's going to be all right sitting in the middle

but then we saw things like the outbreak measles put that down measles got a vaccine uh when we had the outbreak of the measles the measles at uh at disneyland that time right i was like with my son i was like and it was his first time going he was only like two or three or something he'd been vaccine so i was like come on hey we're going to disneyland because there was no line did you have the vaccine oh i hope so but that was that was the sweet spot when the measles was was kicking off okay um and lastly i don't know if dr racket i i put this in here i just stumbled upon this do you know do you know anything about a horse named jim and how that relates to medicine or vaccines no i've heard

of that no i've never heard of a horse named jim i've heard of a a boy named sue to all my i had a fight the other day with someone about johnny cash everyone knows my opinion on johnny cash johnny cash is shit johnny cash if i hear another person go on that he had a 40-year career the man in black okay first of all wearing black is just slimming and that's why we all do it his catchphrase hi i'm johnny cash is just him saying hi and then he's fucking name afterwards that takes no effort yeah because back then there was not a lot of catchphrases. He was getting in on them. He got in on the ground floor with catchphrases.

Hi, I'm my name. Right? And then everyone goes, oh, I had someone over my house and they were like, oh, I just love Johnny Cash. I love Johnny Cash. It was an Italian friend of mine who said, I learned to speak English of Johnny Cash. I love Johnny Cash.

And I went, Johnny Cash is shit. And he goes, oh, no, Johnny Cash is one of the most important people in the music industry. And I said, name me five songs. Couldn't get past three. No one can. Walk the Line, Boy Good Sue,

Folsom City Blues, Ring of Fire. Because he's definitely one of those ones that people say that they love to sound cool. I can name you more than five, Johnny Cash. You could, but you're an odd bird, right? But I've never driven down Sunset and seen someone in a convertible come by me Never happened.

But I've seen plenty of you wearing the t-shirt where he's given the finger. You can piss off a lot of your Johnny Cash fans. You're a bunch of frauds. Anyway, back to... You don't know anything about a horse named Jim. No, I don't know anything about a horse named Jim. No, I don't know anything about a horse named Jim. Okay, I think that's it. The hate mail we're about to receive is going to be,

someone's going to go, well, and they'll go out in the Folsom City, Folsom Prison Blues. That audience had to be there. His most famous concert is an audience that were mandated to be in the room. I'd sell out every gigs if I only played prisons. Right.

You should, actually. Be sad if you didn't. People are like, I'll just stay in solitary. I'm sorry, Dr. Hackett. By the way, saying Dr. Hackett really feels demeaning as it falls out of my mouth, but I know I'm talking to you and not him. For a second there, I'm like, you and not him. For a second there I'm like, Dr. Hackett.

Because Jack's over there going, you're doing a good job, Jim. What bizarro world is there a Dr. Hackett? I think there's 10 of them in my family. There's a lot of them. So you're a disappointment. Yeah. I want to change my answer. They test vaccines on Jack.

They work out great. His aunt is getting upset right now. She doesn't like you picking on her nephew. Oh, I don't care. She'll pile on. She's got dirt. Before we get to the vaccine, we have to ask, is Jack popular in the family?

Is he one of the more loved ones? Or does everyone get together at Thanksgiving and go, jack's here well no jack lives on the west coast with you guys and we're all on the east coast so we already get to see him on like your show yeah but if the if the wind blows right you still get to smell him i'm sorry i have the fans on right now. Okay, so Dr. Hackett, on a scale of 0 to 10, 10 being the best, how well did Jim get an accuracy on vaccines? I'd say he got like an 8. He did really well. What?

Okay. I'm surprised. Some of your discussion wasn't medically like medically accurate but you had the right idea yeah okay what about confidence kelly i'm giving him a nine on confidence i want him to get largepox yeah baby yeah he has 17 before i even give it to him i'm gonna give him a five so he has largepox largepox yeah largepox jim all right Hi. Some things are better at home, sweet home. I'm at home right now. Upstairs is me Peloton bike, which I try to get on as regularly as possible. You don't know how fucking fat as fuck I'd be if I didn't do it.

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an injection. It's always an injection, small portion of the actual disease to build immunity. How close was that, Dr. Hackett? It was pretty close. What vaccines do is they take part of the germ and, you know, we call the term denatured, you know, make it weak or take enough of the germ to give your body a view of the germ inside your body to make antibodies to it.

So that's what you meant is you make antibodies and antibodies are made all the time, but they usually aren't made until they're needed. So if, for example, somebody coughs on you with the flu and you have antibodies, the antibodies of the flu suddenly start being made. And it will surround the flu and stop it from invading you and making you sick. And it's really important for those big diseases, like you said. And I did love that you added measles at the end there, Jim, because measles is a hot topic for the anti-vaxxers. And it sort of is the one that people recognize the most, but it is a deadly illness. And we give them a little tiny bit of measles that's different than most of the other vaccines because it is a live vaccine.

We've tried to do a dead vaccine with measles over and over and over, and you don't get enough immunity. You actually have to take the measles virus, kind of make it weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker, and then finally inject you with it. So you do get a little bit of live measles in order to become immune to it. Sorry, so what's the difference between a live and a dead vaccine? I'm a little confused here. So a dead vaccine means that, like, let's take whooping cough or what's well known as pertussis. They'll take the pertussis germ, they strip the outside off,

all you have is the inside, you grind it all up, and you give that part of the pertussis vaccine. I'm making it as simple as possible. But you give that to people, and if you give them five in the first five years of life, if you're exposed to whooping cough, you don't get it. However, with measles, you can't do it. You can't break it up and give it, if you give it in little pieces, your body doesn't ever become immune to it. So you actually have to take the measles virus and they, they put like denaturing agents, they make it weaker and

weaker and weaker and you're giving it and it grows in your system and it activates a portion of your, um, your immune system that can then recognize it the next time you're, you're coughed on by somebody with measles. And, um, and that's the unfortunate thing because there are a lot of people who are immune suppressed. They can't get measles vaccine. They'll die if they get a measles vaccine. So that's why it's really important that people with strong immune systems take that vaccine to confer herd immunity and make it safe for the person that can't take that vaccine. It's always a cough. The cough is the problem.

It seems like maybe that's correct. Like if we get people to stop coughing, then there have been no problems. I've always thought that about. Okay. So like pain is illness leaving your body or whatever. Why does sick happen? I think you should be sick once in your life, just when you die. And the rest of them are just pointless.

And they're just things you have to get over. And they're little hurdles. You should just go. Your body has to know to rest or drink water. No, no, no. The rest of your life, you should be fine. And then the dead one, you just go. And then you go, oh, well, that's the end of me end of me okay or it should be fun it should be like an orgasm

you should go i'm gonna die well i'll send an email to mother nature yeah i was gonna say that i like i like how you think it's a choice we're all like you know we should get sick maybe once a year i'll talk to management really like there's so many pointless illnesses where you're like you know you're gonna be better you know you're gonna pointless illnesses where you're like oh this is you know you're gonna be better you know you're gonna be better but you're like what's a non-point pointless illness well at the moment i've been telling you i've got the early onsets of arthritis in my fingers right i've got these early onsets of that right which means when i'm older i'm gonna it's just annoying right just an annoying stupid thing that's not going to help me in any way it's

going to make me worse at golf and bowling and i'm already bad at both i've never even heard you go bowling i know i was gonna say i'm like is bowling bowling the holes hurt my fingers worse at bowling i've never scored over 150 we're definitely going bowling when this is all done yeah oh yeah that was

wasn't you Jack who told me like after Corona the first week of Corona Jack's eating at Jerry's Deli in Studio City and then his friends

are like how about we go bowling could there be a worse sticking your fingers into holes than ever wearing other people's shoes and putting your fingers

in other people's holes and grabbing your fingers in other people's holes and grabbing it off of a thing that everyone's been grabbing and then just eating crap. Like the chance of you not getting coronavirus bowling

or just any other disease. Drying your hand on that air that gets pushed out of there. As soon as you're coughing in the back there. I think I got corona going bowling

four years ago. That's where it started. That's how powerful it was. I think there was just a dead bat inside that air machine. Jim, when asked, where does the word vaccine come from, said it's the Latin to vaccinate

and said it's very clearly from the Vatican. I don't think he was right on that. Not too right, no. I thought he was going to say the answer because he said it was from the Latin and I said, oh, he's going to say it same answer because he said it was from the Latin. And I said, oh, he's going to say it right. Vax is the word for cow.

And the originator, the person that is given the credit for the first vaccine is a man named Edward Jenner, a doctor. In 1796, so another answer. Yeah, you gave him an eight, and that's two wrong right there. But I know he did better, but you're being very nice to him. Yeah, so Vax was a cow, and he noticed that the milkmaids

who contracted cowpox from milking the cow udders, and cowpox was like, you got ugly blisters on your hands, but you basically just were very uncomfortable until it resolved. They were not dying of smallpox. And he thought, well, that's interesting. I'm going to scrape some of those cowpox off the cows when they have them, and I'm going to save it.

And what he did is he saved it, and he took a little bit of it, and he made a scrape into people's arms and put some of that icky stuff in there. And they developed these cowpox pustules and over time when they were exposed to smallpox this was around all the time it was a scourge um they all these people that got these cowpox vaccines um lived so he called it a vaccine which meant a cow you, inoculation essentially. Wow. That's really interesting. Yeah, that's cool. Because, you know, it wouldn't have been as popular if they were called cow shots. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So, and I asked about inoculations versus vaccines. I was trying, because at least what I saw, that's sort of the same thing, but I kind of wanted to ask that question because inoculation, when did that first occur versus the vaccine that's sort of the same thing. But I kind of wanted to ask that question because inoculation, when did that first occur versus the vaccine that you spoke of with Edward Jenner?

Do you want me to tell you about the Chinese? Yeah, please. So I didn't know this, actually. When you asked me to do the podcast, I thought, oh, you know, I wonder when the first vaccine was. Everybody knows about Edward Jenner's work and the word vaccine, et cetera. But when I went back into the archives of the Philadelphia physicians dedicated to vaccines, whatever that is, it's an interesting website, they said that in the year 1000, it was well

known that the Chinese would scrape the scab off of people with smallpox and grind the scab up and through a straw blow it up the noses of royalty. They would get a little bit sick, but it was dead. And then the royalty survived many of the smallpox epidemics. So when they realized that and pass it on, that news traveled all through Asia, through the Middle East, all the way down to Africa. And they were using that technique. I mean, you had to survive it. Smallpox is about 30% lethal. But if you did survive smallpox and you could get the scabs off these people and grind them up and save them and pass them along and inoculate your community they were finding that a lot of people survived smallpox so in my mind uh the vaccination

effort was probably 1 000 years old before we got our hands so i was off on that one yeah that and that's the nasal insufflation that's it that i was talking about but i was right on that the theory that you put a little bit up there yeah and. And another little bit of interesting stuff, which I didn't know, was that they found smallpox in Egyptian mummies in the year 300 BC. So smallpox was on the planet for over 2,000 years before we were able to eradicate it. Wow. But was it something that back then that they didn't know

that that was the disease or something? Because it's like it's like about hiv right for for a long time there and correct me if i'm wrong they were having people dying of hiv but they were just saying they were dying of pneumonia or they were dying from this they were dying from that like they weren't acknowledging for a while there that that was the problem with the blood so back then when you say smallpox was around for thousands of years did people know that was what was going am i making sense no yeah they probably had a different name for i don't know they probably it's it was called variola and actually they they did know they called it the name variola they called it smallpox even in like the old

whatever's but you're absolutely right they did not understand the theory of germs they did not know there was such a thing it was louis pester that discovered germs and the germ theory they thought it was related to filth to poverty um they didn't understand that germ thing that he came up with right that would have been a hard sell the first time well the first the guy like louis pester when he invented germs when he had to go to everyone like this he had to go so there's these things and you can't see them yeah and they're jumping from skin to skin and if you don't wash your hands they'll get up into your body and then other things carry germs and this and like that it's a hard sell now yeah there's people that don't believe that covet 19s right i know but people just started washing their hands

this year yeah i didn't know what soap was no but you know that's a hard sell to sell people like even to the surgeons you have to clean your knives before you cut into these people yeah because that's carrying that like that's mental yeah um this was already answered when was the vaccine invented who discovered you said marie curie i think you know that's wrong you also said marie Antoinette. There's no Marie's involved. She said, let them eat vaccines. So Edward Jenner was credited with the term vaccine at the time, but now as Dr. Hackett just told us. Is he related to Kylie Jenner? It's got to be.

Got to be. There can't be that many Jenners. They've been changing the world since. They finally did something good. It's like they started out so well. And they've really evolved. edward's name now sarah that's the sad thing is edward jenner if he was alive would only have about 200 followers on on yeah for sure and they'd be like big deal vaccine well unless he gets ass implants who is the polio guy's name like veruca salt or something what was name? Veruca Salt's really long. Who invented the polio vaccine?

Yeah, it was like something salt. Something salt. 100% it wasn't Veruca Salt. Jonas Salk. Oh, there. Veruca Salt. Salk. Salk.

Jonas Salk. Yeah, there you go. Thanks, doctor. Jonas Salk. Veruca Salt. That's how I always remember it. Veruca Salt. My mother had the polio, know dr hackett i agree oh well that's all right i know she lived way past it but my mother

could bring polio up in any conversation she'd be having a bad day she'd get angry at you oh i didn't mean to get so angry but you know i did have polio as a child you know, I did have polio as a child. You know, she could. That was a scourge on the earth, even like with your mom and my dad. He would talk about how they shut down all the pools in the schools when they had a polio outbreak because it was horrible. Oh, she had to learn to walk again. You know, I tease my mother a lot on stage and stuff, but I do feel sorry for her about that.

She was bed restricted for a very long time. She could have died, had to learn to walk again and then always had joint problems and that from then on you know part of the problem is you guys go to vets for doctors he's like her hind legs aren't working so well just if you had pediatricians that's why i said that's why i said like the polio that vaccine had be, my mother was born in the mid-1940s. She had polio. She must have gotten the, they didn't have the vaccine until the mid-1950s.

Am I right on that? Polio vaccine? Exactly right, in the 50s. Yeah, in the 50s. Okay. So how is a vaccine produced, Jim said, in big metal machines, kind of like how they make sriracha. Yeah.

And it goes like that. Yeah, and go right there. What does the lady say at the end? I don't remember what you said. Vaccines kind of like how they make sriracha. Yeah. And it goes like that. Yeah. And go right there. What does the lady say at the end? I don't remember what you said. She says, I don't mind this job. Other people find it boring. It gives me time to think.

That's not quite what I meant. How is a vaccine produced? But maybe Dr. Hackett can shed some light on that. You know, it's kind of true. But maybe Dr. Hackett can shed some light on that. You know, it's kind of true. It was just the noise that was true. Does he make it at the Sriracha factory? No, not at the same factory.

Don't be silly, Forrest. They grow the germs in, unfortunately, animals usually, and then they save it. Now, honestly, they have strains that now they just have in big containers and they can reproduce the strains um very easily and um they are checked very carefully for uh contamination and um things like that but with the kind of microbiology techniques and chemical techniques that they have now they can check all of those batches very frequently so that we know that they're safe and they're uncontaminated. Has there ever been a moment where someone's just walking across the office

with a beaker and then they're pshh. I was literally just thinking the exact same thing. And then they go, oh, no. Because I hear that there's smallpox being kept in a vial in a safe for us to keep on making vaccines it's not like we have the germ but it's under lock and key is that correct this james bondiness of that we we own these diseases still so there is definitely smallpox probably you know 500 feet on a vault somewhere and in fact the last case of smallpox in the i think the 1970s was a young lady that worked above a lab that made smallpox vaccine and she made cupcakes go up through the

vents and she contracted it and died from it um but and so that's the horrible thing is sometimes things do go wrong in a lab but no they really don't walk across the room with a beaker anymore. How do they get the beaker across the room then? Yep. I don't think they use beakers anymore, Jim. I imagine there's a system where they put a tray on the back of a dog. You so love beakers. Have you ever seen that I Love Lucy episode

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How is that working? Who's that being tested on? Well, there are, I believe, about 290 companies in the world making an effort to create the vaccine. And coronavirus might be more difficult to understand because it's an RNA virus. And not to bore you, but it can't replicate itself. So it's not like a germ. Like if a strep throat person coughs on you with strep, strep can go in your body and it can multiply in your body on its own.

Coronavirus is an RNA virus. It doesn't have enough capacity to replicate itself. It has to invade a cell. And then once it goes into the cell, it uses the cell's machinery to replicate itself. And when it makes a ton of them, it breaks up the cell and it busts up and you know, you know, the rest of it releases cytokine and kills a person. So it's a different way of making a vaccine than a vaccine for whooping cough or tetanus, which by the way, they make a tetanus toxin antibody. It's not actually the tetanus germ that they're making the antibody to. So there are all different kinds of things that you're trying to fight

because tetanus in and of itself doesn't kill you, but it makes a toxin that kills you. Now, you said 290. Was that correct? 290 companies? And it's kind of almost like an arms race. It's like a space race. It's an arms race, right?

So the company that makes it first makes billions and billions of dollars right no yeah no question so they're not doing there's not 290 companies going we have to solve this right for the good of mankind has there ever been vaccines that have been given away for free has there ever been like did veruca salt go you can have it uh giving it to the human race no she was notably a terrible person well i will say that well that is actually a real big fear that the companies will sort of go only to the wealthy people. When H1N1 hit in 2009, do you remember that? Yeah, I had it.

Yeah, you had it, Jack? Yeah. She doesn't even care about you, Jack. She didn't even know you had H1N1. It was in Hong Kong. I had it in kong that was uh the swine flu bird flu a version of it yes and um it affected children much worse than adults it was a really scary time oh you're jack's only nine years old and the united states government did not have like the, like, the flu shot had been released, and it was actually killing children.

And so the government stepped up, made a really fast addition to making a new flu vaccine within, I believe, within three months, which is phenomenal. And then we got to distribute it, and we could not charge for the vaccine. We were given the vaccine. It was not charged i don't know really who paid for it but we took a whole bunch of vaccine and gave it out and there wasn't um it was a public health measure right in answer to does they ever get vaccine out for free that would be a recent example of one but like in countries like australia and britain where there's free health care they would be getting the vaccines for free but i i guess the governments still get gouged for the price of that you know i don't know someone's paying someone's paying

somewhere you have some you have some philanthropists like bill gates that are um donating billions of dollars to certain companies in the united states and in the western world um france switzerland the united kingdom i don't know how much is going to which which country but he's and in the Western world, France, Switzerland, the United Kingdom. I don't know how much is going to which country, but he's donating billions of dollars to make a free vaccine. And also for- Then you get those conspiracy theorists that say that he's creating a vaccine for population control, which is like so frustrating

because he's such a philanthropist and helping so many people. And- Oh, yeah. I get the flu shot every year. And then I had a friend that told me, you people. Oh, yeah. I get the flu shot every year. And then I had a friend that told me, you know, they microchip you with the flu shot. I'm like, and then what? I'm already, I have a phone. I've got credit cards.

Like, good. Microchip me. Follow where I'm going. But also the microchipping has been a rumor that that's been happening for 40 years. Like every election year, there's a microchipping rumor. All of that stuff. It's just like, it's so fucking mental. Yeah.

I mean, but it's like if you're not you're already the whole being tracked thing. It's like they got you already. If you're worried about that, your cell phone's always on in your pocket. But anyways. OK, so where is. Oh, name at least five diseases we have vaccines for. You said polio, tuberculosis, HPV, smallpox, flu, shots, and you also said measles.

I think you crushed that one. Yeah. Crushed. That's good. Well, I'm in. Smallpox is not available anymore. It's eradicated from the planet in the 70s, 1970s. That was another question Jim got right.

You did well, Jim. Right. So if we eradicated it so we no longer need the vaccine, but you say there's some kept in a safe in 500 meters under the ground um so let's say it gets back out we could we could activate that vaccine again we're ready to go we know the formula someone's got the recipe like you know there's coca-cola's recipe and it's like we got the recipe for that vaccine we're ready to go yes oh good good wing of bat do we assume that if it came back though it would be the same strain and that vaccine would be effective wing of bat eye of newt what is a newt why were we always putting eye of newt witches are obsessed with putting

eye of newt and things a newt's like a salamander you know a lot of witches i know a lot of witch movies sorry we keep cutting you off with actual information. The pox viruses really don't mutate fast enough. So yes, it should be covered. Okay. All right. We're good. We're all good on that.

According to the World Health Organization, there are licensed vaccines for how many infectious diseases? I said 90. I think I'm way out. 80 or 90. Do you have this information dr hackett i saw this somewhere but i don't remember where i didn't look it up for the world health and the cdc states that we have 26 vaccines in the united states yeah and the world else yeah it was 25 or

20 yeah that's right the same number okay so i thought it would just be more but i guess we don't okay so an mri shot shot. How many diseases does that cover at once? What shot? The MRI. That's the multi-shot. You mean MMR? MMR. MRI is like magnetic.

Not MRI. What's the one that the anti-vaxxers hate? What's it called? Measles, mumps, rubella. M what? MMR. MMR. Okay.

Measles, mumps, rubella. Sorry, what was it? Mumps? Measles, mumps, rube oh means not rubella that's another one rubella hasn't been around for a while we got rid of rubella we got rid of rubella but not before we had a pretty bad outbreak right what what what here's a question for you what diseases are they working on and anyone can answer this what are they working on? And anyone can answer this. What are they working on to fix with the vaccines? Like I know they've been working on an HIV one forever.

COVID. They'd be working on it. I'm sure they'd be working on it. They must be working on herpes since the 1970s, right? Yeah. So that one's got to have someone working on it. But apart from that, you're COVID. Ebola.

Ebola. Ebola. How close are you getting the ebola one up and running ebola wasn't that that's like old school ebola yeah now that you got the covered like covered is like the like like the taliban and a bowl is like the ira yeah dr i get your mic cut out a little bit there so what can you hear me now yeah it's better when you lean a little bit yeah well let me just say that we're, it's better when you lean in a little bit, yeah. Well, let me just say that we're Americans, so we forget that one of the world's leading causes of death is malaria.

Oh, yeah. And you get that from mosquitoes, don't you? Yes. Bloody mosquitoes. Not the whole genus of mosquito, and we don't have the genus here. But one of the fears is that as the world heats up and we become more tropical, we may get that mosquito back here. So they're working on malaria, Zika.

Zika. Zika. That was one that we forgot about. Remember the Zika? There was a couple cases in Miami. I remember that. And the pregnant women and all that. The Zika was no good.

But you said Ebola. We have a vaccine for Ebola? We don't. We're there working on it, but we do not have it. You know, they work a lot harder on vaccines that hit the wealthy world. Like, because if you want to give a vaccine where Ebola is, it's very poor African countries. And who pays for that?

So we need a vaccine for the summertime blues. We can't leave our houses please give us medicine there ain't no cure for the summertime blues jack said two things all podcast that was one of them get to work on that um what is it oh so vaccines that have eradicated any diseases jim said smallpox. So that's correct. Is that the only one we've eradicated? Rubella. Oh, Rubella. No, we haven't eradicated Rubella. It's still in the world. So I guess it depends on what you're saying.

And we eradicated polio from the Western, like Canada, the United States, Mexico, and South America has had polio erad eradicated and tuberculosis is eradicated in most countries as well right but it's still not so much no we still see a lot of tuberculosis in the world i got pulled out of a lot i was once i was once um coming back into england and i was in australia and i may be i may have been hung over andover and I may have been drinking on the plane. And I walked in, 24-hour flight, and I was all sleepy and pale and just like that. I got pulled out of the line.

Maybe they had those temperature testing things, and I was brought into a room for a tuberculosis screening. And I'm like, I'm Australian. I'm like, I'm Australian. I've just come from Australia. I'm Australian. We can't get tuberculosis. I just look sickly. screening and i'm like i'm australian yeah i'm like i'm australian i'm just coming from australia i just look sickly there's nothing wrong with me i'm always pale i used to be in school like this miss i don't feel well could i go down to the nurse's office and the teacher would always be

like oh you do look very pale and then off I'd go skipping my way down. But what did they do to screen you, Jim? They did something, an X-ray or something to check my lungs. Like it was a proper tuberculosis screening room. It was a lung check thing. It was like a proper thing. And I remember I was there for quite a while. They took an X-ray in the airport?

They might have been a break out of that's off they put you on the conveyor belt where the luggage was that's good no tuberculosis here yeah they uh did a cavity search yeah that's so weird they said we're searching for tuberculosis you're not gonna okay um i asked you how many deaths per year do vaccines prevent you said in the millions for tuberculosis. You're not going to buy it down there. Okay. I asked you how many deaths per year do vaccines prevent? You said in the millions. I don't know if there's an actual number. You can't quantify that number, can you? Well, actually,

if you go to the CDC website and they talk about vaccines, over 20 years, they believe that it saves somewhere in the order of 750 000 deaths in children alone every year over 20 years 20 okay it saves 20 million cases but 730 deaths that's wow math i guess it's somewhere around um 30 some odd thousand cases of deaths a year. Yeah, yeah. I got told, I believe now, am I wrong in saying it? I believe I had whooping cough as a child once, but I got over it.

Is that one a hard one to get over? I don't remember it because I was a child, but I've been passed on this information. I never knew what that was. You just go whoop and cough, like what is it? What it is is you cough, but you're excellent at basketball. Well, you cough and cough and cough like what is it it's what it is is you cough but you're excellent at basketball well it you're you cough and cough and cough and if you're a small baby you cough so much you can't breathe you die from like oxygen deprivation and um yes you're right it was common and a lot of little kids got it and they got over it but it's like the cough is very much a whoop like a type of loud

cough and it's very painful and um it can last months and after you cough you cough you go there it is. It's a fun disease. It's super fun until you die from not breathing. The herd immunity, Jim said, is when everybody gets sick together and hangs out. That's kind of what he said in Switzerland. Yeah. They did that for COVID.

It was Sweden. Sweden. But I read something different. I think that's what people think herd immunity is but can you speak about herd immunity i'm not sure well herd immunity uh let's see it's i was saying in the note i sent you that it's kind of a mathematical model and it depends on the germ so um if like for example t, if people, it's a really hard germ to spread. So if you have a small, like maybe 30% of the people are protected, you're not going to see much TB. But in measles, for example, if 100 people are in a room and you need about 95% herd immunity to not get measles because it's spread so much

and it's aerosolized. So you want to make sure that 95 or more people in a room of 100 have the measles protection, the antibody, or if it's 90% and you have 10 people in the room that are not protected to measles, when someone coughs, at least five or six that are not protected to measles when someone coughs at least um five or six of those people will get measles yeah so yeah and that's what i was reading is it said it's usually achieved through vaccination but can also occur through natural infection so so because some people even in the comedy community were saying like oh you just you just you just get sick and then everybody builds up the immunity but there has to be some people with antibodies that are known in that group, right? Otherwise, everyone could just die.

We're hoping that we can give you herd immunity without getting the disease. Yeah. So you get the disease if you get COVID. And, you know, that is exactly what happened with Sweden, unfortunately, is they thought, okay, let people get it enough and get herd immunity. But what we don't know with COVID, because it's new, is what is the percentage of people that need to get it to confer herd immunity? Is it 30%, 40%, 60%? That doesn't actually work so well if you have to achieve it naturally and people die from it versus getting an inoculation.

So if you could just be patient, wear your mask, practice social distancing, and wait for the vaccine, that seems to me to make a lot more sense. Patient? Kidding me? Say bye to grandma because, you know, bye, grandma, because, you know, we're going to get hurt. So what I was saying about the vaccine coming out and me being skeptical about how long it should be out

before I take it, is that nonsense? Once the FDA say, I don't even know if it's FDA, but once the medical people say this vaccine's good, should I just believe it because it's been tested or is there always a risk? Ooh, good question. And I think that I, I'm asked that every day, by the way, maybe 30, 40, 50 times a day.

And we're trying really hard to see who's making it and how they're making it. And I'm asked all the time, will you take it, Dr. Hackett? And my answer is probably. It's highly likely I'll take it because the companies that are making the vaccine are companies that are very accustomed to making vaccines and they're putting their best scientists on it. And I feel comfortable that I will be taking a vaccine from when it comes out. Right. And they've also injected it into thousands and thousands and thousands of volunteers. Some of the studies have 30, 40, 50,000 volunteers already and they're not having side effects.

The big question is, will you take that vaccine and will it be protective i don't think i'd worry so much about the side effects as i would about whether or not one or two vaccines will protect has there ever been a vaccine that has been given that in hindsight it wasn't tested enough because i know that we've got we've got medicines like flamidamide right and then the the the pregnant ladies took it and the children came out so so has there ever been a vaccine that we sort of went yeah we didn't we didn't do that one enough yes in fact in the early 1800s they were making diphtheria vaccine and remember diphtheria i don't know nobody knows what it is anymore because it's pretty much eradicated from this hemisphere um but it was

an infection that was airborne and it caused you to make a very thick coating in your throat and then your throat closed up and you died basically of asphyxiation. And it hit children very quickly. So they made a vaccine for it, but they didn't really know what they were doing so much. And some of the companies injected diphtheria into some of the population that was still very active diphtheria so they actually gave the patient diphtheria well i'm a big fan of the vaccines i i took i've taken all of them given all of them i've taken every single one you can take i should say that i used to be a small spanish girl well congrats on your career. Thank you. Vaccines work. The accent is almost gone.

So when I asked you if there are any adverse effects, obviously there are some side effects. You mentioned like arm swelling, fever, something like that. But we can talk about anti-vaxxers now. And you said that you think they're detrimental to our way of life. I think the anti-vaxxer. Is there any credible link between autism and vaccine?

It's been debunked. It's been absolutely... Can I talk about that for a minute? Sure, please. Talk about it for more than a minute. Only three minutes. Only three? No, no. Take your time. She needs to be in even numbers.

She's got a vaccine. Well, the whole thing with autism is that it was recognized in the 1990s. Before that, honestly, people didn't recognize it. They talked a little bit about it, but they started to seriously recognize that there was a disorder in children that involved mostly language and social behavior. And those two things occur in your second year of life, right? Like, we don't really talk that much about language and how you react with other kids and stuff like that when you're eight months old, but we certainly talk about it when you're 18 months old. So, Andrew Wakefield so um andrew wakefield uh was a physician and in 1998 he published an article in a very tiny little icky article that made its way into a really uh into the lancet which is a like the

new england journal here and um said that mmr given to children causes autism. And what he was basing it on was a study with like 25 kids. And you have to remember that when we give MMR, we give it at one year of age. And then if you become, quote unquote, autistic in the second year of age, it had to be the MMR. So he was using a temporally based model like, look, if you got it then it had to be this. Unfortunately, that took off, got a lot of traction. I remember watching with horror that, you know, our Congress was debating whether we should suspend MMR because of this issue with autism. And one of the congressmen stood up and talked about it for a long time because his grandchild was diagnosed

with autism. Many, many, many, many, many studies have debunked that. They've been well-run. They've been filled with thousands and thousands of children. And unfortunately, autism is a heartbreaking illness for a lot of people. I mean, you have mild autism, but you can have severe autism. And so there is no known one cause. So when you can say, okay, it's MMR, that's the cause. You got your one cause. It's like a bullet point, boom, you can say okay it's mmr that's the cause you got your one cause it's like a bullet point boom social media took off and that was really the big resurgence of anti-vaccination movements so you had some yeah everybody knows jenny mccarthy all that other stuff but um for the rest of us we really spent a lot of time looking at that study and saying is that real could that be and and and

it's not true yeah it says he was discredited too. Well, he, he was stripped of his doctor because turned out what he did was he, he, he put that study out and then he became the expert for a lot of different lawsuits and was paid thousands of that money. I put millions of dollars to be the expert. So he did it, but it was genius. The reason why he did it and what he did with it, he's been stripped of his doctor title he's now mr andrew wakefield um and he's he's got an it's like in medicine he's he's got a notoriety for being no good yeah we actually had asked him to be the expert on this

episode before we asked you but he was busy we only have doctors on this show sometimes not my dad is wearing a mask but anyways um yeah so unfortunately that took a lot of traction and it's and we can't seem to break that we can't seem to convince people we also have a president who who somewhat agrees with it right who's an anti-vaxxer well don't you Well, he doesn't agree with anything scientific. Right, right. Well, hair transplants, he's bought into that science. Yeah, when he makes his anti-vaccine comments, they're in the same category as don't wear a mask

and the list is long, it makes your head hurt. But you should put disinfectant into your blood, correct? If you're Donald Trump, you should. Dr. Hackett, eh? Maybe don't say that on air. I don't know. No, you can say that. Don't worry about it.

You'll lose a few people. He's 100% not going to listen to this episode. No, no can say that. Don't worry about it. You'll lose a few people that won't come. He's 100% not going to listen to this episode. No, no, no, no, no. He's going to listen to bees. This isn't on Fox and Friends. Do you know about this horse named Jim thing that I found? Does that? I do.

In the early 1900s, it goes back to what animals do they use to make a vaccine, and they did use horses all the time. So there was a horse named Jim that they inoculated with diphtheria, and then they drew his blood and they made the diphtheria toxin for distribution. And what they did not know about this horse at the time was he had tetanus. So when they injected a bunch of these kids with diphtheria vaccine, they gave the had tetanus. So when they injected a bunch of these kids with tetanus, with diphtheria vaccine, they gave the kids tetanus. So a bunch of the kids died from tetanus from the diphtheria vaccine. And so the horse named Jim was like a big screaming, Hey, look, if you're doing these vaccines, don't, don't do harm with your vaccine.

Fix it. You know know not all vaccines were well made yeah right they're much better now for a million different reasons but um the technology back then was was not there i i just thought it was funny because it was a horse named jim so i found and then it said that this incident and and similar one involving smallpox led to the passage of the biologics biologics control act of 1902 and then eventually the u.s food and drug administration in 1906 so it did lead to that the horse named jim um uh i asked you i don't know if you were able to do that we have this dinner party fact thing here where our expert gives us one fact obscure interesting or a story

or something no she already gave us a fact early on where we all went, whoa, and now I've forgotten it. Which one was that? I don't know. I've forgotten it. Oh, the vaccine that comes from cows. The name. Cows.

Cow shots. So you don't have to give us another one, but if you have something. I'll give you a couple because I found some interesting things. Well, you know about the vaccine being from the year 1000 in China, I thought that was something. Yeah, that's a good one. You've given us a couple already, yeah. Yeah, and then I didn't know this, but

during the you know, when Washington was doing the hunt north, trying to, fighting the Redcoats, he and his militia were up as far as Quebec, fighting them. And he was winning. And then his whole militia got smallpox. And 50% of the militia died of smallpox. And he had to

retreat and go all the way back down to New York. And at that time, he made all of his recruits receive a smallpox vaccine before he would continue um it was a mandatory vaccine so mandatory vaccines are old i mean we're talking 1774 he mandated that they have a vaccine but if that had not happened america would still be way up in canada we don't part of quebec because that would have been considered United States territory. So getting a vaccine is the most patriotic thing you can do, we should say. Yeah. Also, there's women in Quebec.

I'm going to say, if you like baseball, what I always say is take one for the team. If your kids are healthy, please get the vaccine because your next-door neighbor with the heart transplant can't take that vaccine. If your kids are going to play together, your kid will kill that kid.

And then they go, what are you talking about? Right. What are you talking about? I'll go, well, if your kid gets measles and goes next door and your next door neighbor with the heart transplant,

who needs to take medication. So he doesn't, you know, fight his heart. He gets me. He'll die. He'll die in one day. And then they go like this.

They go, Johnny, I told you you weren't getting a shot today, but you're getting a shot. Oh, my son had two of them at once, and I had to take him in, and I was like, alright, man, it's just going to be a little needle. And then he was like,

they put it in his arm, and the needle came out, and he, like a cartoon character, went across the room, was in the corner and went, that was my little needle. And then the nurse gave zero fucks. She had done this to so many children. She's like, is he ready for his next one? And I'm like, all right, nurse.

She probably started out being really entertaining. So I had to pin him down in a bear hug and hold him. And I go, just put it in, just put it in. You'll get some Lego. Tell him to climb a tree next time. That's what I did. Yeah, you just reminded me of something, too. So cancer patients, I remember this from my mom,

when they get chemo, it wipes out all the vaccines that they got. So all the vaccines my mama got were wiped out by the chemo, but then she couldn't get them because her immune system was compromised. And that was one of the other. So people need to think about that as well. Not just a heart transplant, but anybody, there's so many different patients that are susceptible to diseases and then can't get the vaccines that wish they could. I love that you said, if you're a real patriot, you would get the shot. Because if you really care about your neighbor or your your teacher or your doctor with COVID right now I have patients and they come in and they've got their mask around here

and I'm like I'm sorry but you need to put your mask up here honey because I'm 63 I don't really want to die of COVID okay and they're like oh and then you know I'll say or and they'll go but doctor I'm I feel like I'm suffocating in my mask you're just doing that because you want the compliment because you look so good for 63 you're like that because i'm 63 and they're like no i am i am and i don't want to you can't die you look so youthful and young and then you go oh stop it and then you go pull down that mask mask and kiss me a hundred percent that's what happens that's what happens but you were saying they can't breathe they say they can't breathe in their mask but that's bs right we're in a mask for eight ten

hours a day so i'm like i'm sympathetic i really know what you feel like as i'm you know my glasses steam up all day etc look we're giving shots out in our parking lot. And the reason why we're doing that, not everybody, we're bringing our children into the office, you know, at different ages, like definitely a two-year-old can't do a telemedicine visit. But we have to see our kids and we're bringing them in and we're there all day long. I have a staff of 25 and they're relentless. They just want to get the job done. We're there all day long. I have a staff of 25 and they're relentless. They just want to get the job done.

And so we're bringing them in with almost nobody in the office, totally masked and gloved, et cetera. But if you're 11 or 12 and you don't, you can talk to me, you can kind of stand in front of the camera. I can do enough of your physical. And a lot of it is mental health questions. A lot of other social issues some teaching then they finish the checkup and they go so dr hackett we'll see you next year i'm no no no drive over to my

office and come up in the car and tell me the color car you're in and we're going to give you your two shots i have to ask something why i have an american doctor and i'm doing this because we have a lot of australian listeners uh on the podcast uh we've watched this in movies and i hope some americans in the room can tell me what is it with the grabbing of the testicles turning your head and coughing what is the doctor looking for what i've never in my life i've seen in so many movies i've never in my life had a doctor grab my testicles and go turn and cough i've had to do it you don't have good yeah but i that's because i asked you nicely to do it that wasn't that wasn't a medical thing but you're not a doctor it's just when the doctor thinks you're

sexy but what is it we've never had that they don't do it in britain either i've spoken to british people we don't know this they grab your balls and tell you to turn and cough what is that all about it's like you're all being felt up against you're looking for a hernia okay so why don't we do that in austral Again, because you go to the vet. Yes. Crack the code early on. And also, we don't use the term strep throat. We just say throat infection.

I used to watch some people in movies like, I couldn't go out with him anymore because he had strep. And you're like, it sounds so scary. It's just a throat infection. It goes in like three days. I don't know. Throat infection sounds worse to me than strep throat. Yeah.

No, you just got an infection in your throat once you take a few antibiotics and then it's gone. Well, Dr. Hackett. I'm just saying that I feel like there's more medical procedures in America than necessarily grabbing people's testicles and making them cough. Or maybe not enough in Australia. If you get like a wart in your finger or something like that you come over here to america they're like freeze it this and that and they send you off to a wart specialist and they tell you to do this they tell you everything in america is referring you to another person i could be a doctor in america a normal gp not what you do dr hackett but i could be just a

normal gp just oh you got a problem with your foot go the foot guy you got a problem with your skin go to the skin fella you know i could do that all day they're just referral officers but in australia i'll tell you what the doctors dig in you go in you go oh i got this mole they don't send you off to a bloody skin doctor the guy in the building just goes oh get me me scalpel and a solder and he just digs in there in your back and then he burns it all out while you're there it's just a better system it's more it's more hands on healthcare sucks more hands on the ground hold on a second i'm going to defend ourselves a little bit we're i'm primary care my husband's primary care we do all that i don't deliver babies but we'll take off moles we'll

treat warts we'll do all that. It just depends on. I must be a nightmare to live with because they send me. They always send me to a different doctor. Every doctor can't help me and sends me to another doctor. I just run around town. I went to one for me hands the other day and they said, oh, we need some x-rays and stuff. So they're sending me back to my doctor who referred me to the bloody hand doctor.

What was that? What was that doctor what was that what was that doctor that was a tv doctor whatever medicine in australia what quibi or not quibi or you're thinking dr quinn medicine woman yeah dr nothing to do with australia that was that was jane seymour being a doctor in the Wild West. And you've just gone, oh, that must have been modern day Australia. Well, it does sound like the way you make Australian healthcare sound, it's kind of like the Wild Wild West. No, you were thinking of Quincy. Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.

Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. I was thinking of Doogie Howes. You're thinking of Quincy Goes Outback or whatever. Tom Selleck. Oh, yeah. You've got the two. I've never seen that movie. The Quincy Down Under. Quincy Down Under. I thought that's who that was. Oh, yeah. You've got the two. I've never seen that movie. Quincy Down Under.

Quincy Down Under. I thought that's who. Yeah, yeah. That was hot on the, hot on like, they did like, they did like Crocodile Dundee. And then they brought Tom Selleck out and they go, Quincy Down Under. And it was just Tom Selleck just hanging out in Australia when he was a cowboy. I haven't seen it. It's got 56% of Rotten Tomatoes.

Yeah, Quincy Down Under. Quigley. Quigley. Quigley Down Under. quincy down under quigley quigley quigley down under sorry yeah quigley okay quincy was the the medical doctor who helped fix you on the show he was a forensic like pathologist or something and then he just somehow solved crimes how many of you people the doctors right how many of you actually do start solving crimes? Because like, you know, diagnosis, murder, Quigley, there's always seems to be in those TV shows, doctors seem to be obsessed with solving crimes.

Have you or do you plan to solve a crime in the future? No, thank you. Okay, all right. Easy answer. Okay, Dr. Faith Hackett, thank you very much for being with us today. We appreciate it, especially in this time. This is a very interesting topic to discuss.

Is there anything you want to say before you leave? I've got another one for you I've got to ask you. Trying to let you go. What's mono? What's mono? Everything. Mononucleosis. What is mono?

I hear this all the time. Is that the kissing one it's the name is that is that glandular fever it's it's yes that's what they used to call glandular fever it's infectious mononucleosis caused by edson borovirus oh so in the show i had glandular fever they just call it glandular because glandular fever makes you tired because i remember what i did was with my mom i woke up one morning i. I know the show's over. No, no, no. It's fine. I didn't know.

Glandular fever is mononuclear. It's the same thing? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I had glandular fever. I didn't call it mono. I hear she has mono.

Right? Anyway, I was like, what's that? You hung out with a lot of surfers. That's who we see in movies. It's all like 90210 people, right? So anyway, I woke up a bit tired one morning. And I went, I don't want to go to school. So I went to my so i said i woke up a bit tired one morning and i went ah i don't want to go to school so i went to my mom and said oh i'm a bit sick she leaves the house to go to work and then i'm sitting there masturbating and watching indiana jones right

good day good day good as they get then the next day i thought to myself i still don't want to go to school a bit tired and so i went oh i won't go to school and then i thought could i go three could i could i lie my way to three days of school and so i said i won't go to school so my mom cancelled work and so we have to go down to the doctors so then i'm in the doctors and i'm already lying right because there's nothing wrong with me except i was a bit tired i'm like oh what's your symptoms oh a bit tired uh well have you got pain here? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's very painful. You know when they're touching you?

Does this feel heavy? Oh, that feels very heavy. And then I thought they were going to go, you'll be right in a couple of days. Have another two days off school. I thought I'd bought myself the week. And then what happens is the doctor went, yeah, this isn't good. We need blood work. And he comes in with a needle.

And I'm like, fuck, I've bloody pushed this too far now. I've got a needle in me arm. It's like we need to neuter him. So I get the needle. And then they take it out. And then the next day they found out I had mono. That's why I was tired. I wasn't lying.

I just was feeling tired. And I thought, yeah, I won't go to school. So I had it for a while. Mine was rough. And this thing was the kissing disease. And I'd only kissed two girls in my whole life. You can get it on your first kiss. And I bloody, that girl wasn't worth it, I'll tell you.

All right. Well, I've tried to let you go three times now, Dr. Hackett. Is there anything you'd like to say? Yeah. I do want to say something. And this was a lot of fun. And I thank you for letting me do this. I will say that in my lifetime, and I've only been a doctor for, like I said, 34 years, I have seen with the advent of Hib vaccine, pneumococcal vaccine. Those are the two big ones that we used to see diseases in all the time.

In the late 80s, when I was first starting practice, I used to lose patients to meningitis, pneumonia. It was a really odd disease that Hib caused that made your epiglottis swell up. We used to carry a beeper when I was training at Hopkins that went off if they thought they had an epiglottis patient because the epiglottis is like a thumb in the back of your throat and it got so swollen that it would just flop back and kill the kid. So we had to learn how to put a needle here to let the kid live. And it was terrifying being a pediatrician in like the seventies and eighties. And they came out with those two vaccines sort of in the late 80s and made them better and better,

and now we give them at 2, 4, 6, and 12 months, 2, 4, 6, and 15 months, and it's gone. It's 99% gone, HID vaccine. So when you were asking about whether we got rid of, you know, a couple of bugs, I forgot to mention HID vaccine because in my short lifetime, it's gone. Now, it does exist in people's throats all the time, but it doesn't kill our little kids. And I remember distinctly every winter getting a big breath and forget the flu. It was getting that call at three in the morning to go down to the ER for like a nine month old with a fever and a bulging head. And I'd put the spinal needle in and pus came out of the spinal needle, like green pus.

And I was shoving antibiotics and spent the whole night in the ER trying to save that little one's life. Sometimes I didn't. And sometimes I did, but they lost their vision or they lost their hearing or they became cognitively delayed. It was a horrible, horrible disease. And when Hib first came out, it was only given out to two year olds and they made the vaccine better and better and they could give it down to babies because it was a baby disease. My partner is eight years younger than me, and she's never seen it. It went away that fast.

Once they instituted that vaccine, put it in the schedule, made doctors go, you know what? Made it mandatory. I would tell her about the red beeper, about getting pus out of spinal columns, about the pneumonia kids that got intubated and died. She said, Faith, I never saw that. I'm like, what? And I found that really fascinating. So when we talk about vaccine success stories, I'd say Hib is way up there with the pneumococcal virus, which everybody knows is like pneumovax or Prevnar, but it's pretty much dropped that 90 95 in the in the children's um so when the cdc gives me statistics i see it i no longer get that call at three in the morning

with the february you know the kid with the fever and put my shoes on and run out the door the er i don't have to i'm like did you get your shots yes fine then you're good use some tylenol i'll see you in the morning so take your vaccines vaccines, people. Yeah. Well, thank you, Dr. Hackett. You've been a joy. You're a good egg, you. You're all right, you. You're out there helping kids and stuff like that. You're all right.

You've redeemed the Hackett name. I've been ruining it for three years out here. I'm only sorry I'm not seeing you, Jack. I'll turn the camera. You didn't even know you had H1N1 you don't care about him sorry it's been a pleasure guys

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