I Don't Know About That - Vaccines with Dr. Faith Hackett

Episode Date: August 4, 2020

In this episode the team covers vaccines with the help of Dr. Faith Hackett.   Follow Us:   Jim Jefferies Website: www.jimjefferies.com Jim Jefferies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimjefferies/?hl=en Jim Jefferies Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JimJefferies/ Jim Jefferies Twitter: https://twitter.com/jimjefferies   Forrest Shaw Website: www.forrestshaw.net Forrest Shaw Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/forrestshaw/ Forrest Shaw Twitter: https://twitter.com/forrestshaw   Kelly Blackheart Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kellyblackheart/   Jack Hackett Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Jack_hackett/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What do you think it was first? I reckon the pencil was invented before the pen. The lead pencil would have been before they put ink into it. Although they used feathers and ink. Well, that is a good one. Oh, crap. Yikes. Were you ever in the Pen15 Club?

No. Oh. I don't know what that is, the Pen15 Club. It was like in school, people would be like do you want to join the pen 15 club and they'd draw a pen 15 on your hand but it looks like penis and so you'd have penis on your hand all day ah i was in i was in the i played 52 pickup was one of the ones that i got beaten by oh yeah that was the first time i ever got grounded was uh grant wanted to play a 52 card pickup with me and i didn't know what it was he threw my cards everywhere and he walked upstairs and i flipped him off and i got grounded

i got grounded how old were you uh probably five maybe grounded he was being a real dick bag he doesn't but being grounded at five where were you going i mean it was just more like i got i got a stern talking to damn and now look at me i do it all the time i can't ground that i want i want to give a shout out to a couple of comedians today i i just watched again i watched the king of stanton island uh bill bird pete davidson guys who i'm friendly with who i i admire and like both of those guys excellent actors both of them nailed it the movie was good the movie's fantastic i haven't seen it they're very good actors bill's bill you know i've seen bill in a lot of things but but pete had a lot of emotional pull in the film and and uh the acting was spot on i've watched it twice now so i just want to do that

i also want to give a shout out to uh to ellen degeneres who's having a horrible time now i don't know i'll tell you this ever since i moved to to Hollywood, I've heard horror stories about Ellen DeGeneres, right? But I'll tell you this much. I wouldn't believe any of them. They're probably true, but I'm not going to believe anyone. Because why is it always the famous person who has all the stories about them? No one ever talks about the janitor at the Ellen DeGeneres show who was a pain in the ass. Oh, well, yeah, because they're not being a pain in the ass because because because ellen was running the

things when you're the boss of a big show like that and i was a boss of a little show like that for the most part if you get along with everybody but there's always some people that aren't pulling their weight or their pains in the ass or they hardly work and i think to get to where she is you have to have a little bit of get the get that person the fuck out of here and those persons those people feel really badly treated and then they write stories so although i have heard bad things about ellen i'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt let's wait until all the information's in because the the network's doing an actual uh investigation right now i've seen thousands of stories of it though i know know, I know, but I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt

until I find out. So you really believe women is what you're saying? I believe Ellen DeGeneres. Breaking news, Ellen DeGeneres' video has been found of her drowning puppies. They have that, actually. What did those puppies do? That's a good point. Did they get into the sack?

Was she throwing other sacks? What were they wearing? How did you know they were in a sack? I didn't even say they were in a sack. How did you know they were in a sack? He's seen the video. Jesus. It's a good video.

I just think everyone's piled on, and we don't have all the information. Was she mean to people at work? Or was she... Supposedly, she's been awful to people she works with. Like, just terrible terrible i've heard this everybody i've ever met that says this there's like a there were there's plenty of tweets that have gone viral on this basically but there is one where it's like why is it that everybody who

moves to la eventually knows somebody who's been mistreated by ellen yeah i i think i agree i think we should always wait for the investigation to come out and see what happened i have heard many stories of that as well but it could just be the thing where you have to come up with it it's not illegal to be a bitch no it's not but you do anything unscrupulous but they're not saying she should be arrested they're just saying i think i think the big thing is like when when you're a celebrity whose entire gimmick is that you're really kind and generous and all that stuff but behind the scenes you're treating people that you work with like shit i think that's the disconnect nobody's saying she needs to be arrested but it's just like then fuck off right but is there going to

be because there's a lot of people who worked on that show for a long time so what says bullying and racism so there might be now we've got something the story what did she say then it doesn't it's just this is a news article saying that former staff members claim to be victims of bullying and racism. And that's part of the investigation. So it doesn't have specifics yet. But so if that comes out that she was racist, that's a whole different thing than being like an asshole. I hear also homophobic. Very weird.

There's a little curveball. I mean, but that happens though i mean people that are are gay themselves end up being homophobic because they like they hate themselves people a lot of people are saying that this is a backlash for her being in that in the um wasn't she with bush uh in the in the sporting event i forget yeah in a booth yeah also I forget, in a booth. Also, I thought it was a little bit rich in her special that she was going, oh, she couldn't get TV work because the industry was homophobic or whatever. You're like the richest person on TV.

Yeah. Like, what do you mean? You had a sitcom, you were out of work for a few years, then you got another TV show? Yeah, that's just how the industry works. That's just how the business works. I've been unemployed since December. She's worth $330 million.

Because people don't like blonds. Yeah, that's true. Still married to Portia de Rossi. Yeah, yeah. They're doing it. Portia sits around not eating food, and then they giggle together. I don't know. Why?

Has she struggled with her weight? Portia de Rossi was anorexic or something. I'm being mean about anorexic But she's 16 years younger than Ellen Alright Ellen That's why you should learn how to dance kids Wait Portia de Rossi is from Australia She is

She is from Australia I've never heard of an accent You don't even know who she is Of course I know who she is I didn't know she was from Australia Horsham Australia She's. Horsham, Australia. Yeah, country town. She's from Horsham and they named her Portia.

Portia from Horsham. She would have been the only Portia in Horsham. Including the cars. They would have been another one. Oh, and then one hour ago, Film Daily, a $500 million divorce, are Ellen Deenner's and her wife splitting wow there's all sorts of i've been saying that for years rumors swirling i also

think ellen what what she did wrong at the beginning of covid was she went it's like being in prison she was in her house going it's like being in prison you made a misstep there ellen yeah that's a nice prison i feel like there were a lot of celebrities that are like we get it we're stuck at home too. We're like, you have a fucking giant pool. You have butlers. You do not understand what we're going through. When they did that sing along with Disney, people should have just done that in the smallest room in their house.

They were swinging around on fucking those ladders that are in the libraries. As soon as you have a library in the modern era of digital books and everything right it's ridiculous you're an asshole but if you have a ladder that runs along that library room that you and your wife can sing be our guest and then you can slide around you're not in touch with the common folk no definitely not do you know that she was what her husband's name she was married to ellen degeneres ellen married to? Ellen DeGeneres? Ellen DeGeneres? Ellen's married to a man? What?

Yeah, before she came out, I guess. I don't know about that. Oh, no, no. She used to be married to a guy called Belland. And that's why they broke up, because her name was Ellen Belland. No, his name is Mel Metcalf. Mel and L? No, wait.

Mel Metcalf, yeah. M-E-L-M-E-T-A-L. Yeah, it was Ellen and Mel. And he, I don't know. There's not a lot of information on him. He has an IMDB here. Let's see what he does. Is there a celebrity named Ellen?

Yeah, he'd be some type of producer. Producer and actor known for Holiday on the Moon, Requiem, and The Art of the Dollmaker. Yeah. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. He was married to Portia de Rossi. That makes more sense. I'm sorry. Do you know how many Ellen de Rossi. Yeah. That makes more sense.

You know how many Ellen fanatics are sitting around their house like, No! No! Ellen used to date that other bird that had the short blonde hair. Oh yeah. Anne Heche. Anne Heche. Anne Heche used to do it. But she's not gay? She's back with men now. She's come back. Probably bi.

She's bisexual. Anne Heche. Anne Heche. Yeah, because that was right at the time she was in that movie where she crashes in the airplane. With Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford, and they have to get along on an island. Yeah, yeah. How would you get along with...

I always thought about Harrison Ford when he crashed his plane on a golf course. Yeah. That's some Indiana Jones shit. Oh, yeah. would make you blow that your mind on the matrix so badly that if you go fucking hell there's an old world war ii plane that has crashed in the middle of this field let's look inside it it's indiana jones yeah and then you'd be just checking for the time machine i would argue before we start this subject i would argue that the time machine will never be invented because they would have already come back and told us about it yeah that's how those movies work yeah when you watch them yeah but once it gets invented

yeah but the future hasn't happened we the only present i don't know this is why i can't get get my head around well i need to smoke weed before we do this conversation i don't know. This is why I can't get my head around. I need to smoke weed before we do this conversation. I don't know what this dude. Do you believe in time travel, Jack? Yeah, why not? Because it's ridiculous. Another Jack hot take. Why not?

You didn't ask for a hot take. Just to clear up, Anne Hayshan and Ellen DeGeneres were never married. No, but they dated for a while. Yeah, I just want to make that clear. Trying to get all our hot goss. They had and then like anne hayes she said anything about ellen ellen never spat in my face and threw me out of a room no never like what was the one i heard about ellen where it was like she bitched about some food or something there was something that wasn't made right and she had a tantrum i don't know i'm sure there's plenty of those i've heard

things like people aren't allowed to make eye contact with her which i've never really understood but steve harvey steve harvey had the same thing i'll tell you what when you're gonna late night show i know what happened to steve harvey he's he put up a lotus no one's allowed to come in the office there was too many people he was nice at the beginning there's too many people came in and went hey i've got an idea to pitch to you and he said can they just fuck off? Yeah. Because other than that, Steve Harvey just wrote, can people not talk to me? Like, that's pretty, that's a pretty generous thing. Yeah. I won't talk to you.

You don't talk to me. Let's leave each other alone. He wasn't abusing people. He wasn't yelling at people. He was saving all of his smiles for Family Feud. I've never said to any of you, you't talk to me not for an extended amount of time i remember someone like when i was started first started working for you to go oh don't ever talk to jim before a show and then someone was really serious with me i was like what are you

talking about and then just so just someone just blew it out of proportion so that happens with like every celebrity no i've never i've never asked never not once that no one talks to me before a show is that these fucking rumors stuff yeah exactly there's nothing fucking and you did you leave me alone how long does that take because most of the time we used to listen to barry manilow music i used to play a pinball machine for a bit yeah and then i used to wear my suit and go i don't know about this suit can i have a vest or whatever i was pretty chill before you went out i would guess more stand-up more stand-up shows than our tape show oh before stand-up yeah no you can talk to me right before i go out there i would guess people are probably just intimidated at some point like

i know i wouldn't wouldn't have started a conversation with you in the first year of knowing you i just didn't want to bother you don't look at me i never have made eye contact with you which is weird three years in yeah i'm not good at making eye contact with you, which is weird, three years in. Yeah. I'm not good at making eye contact with people. I assume that I'd like them all to do the same to me. I hate eye contact. It makes me so uncomfortable. Oh, it's ridiculous. If I was in a position of power in a show, I would demand eye contact.

That's what I'd say. Everybody must make eye contact with me at all times. So you just walk through like, that's what I'd do. I don't understand. How could Ellen be that bad though? We'll see Investigation happening Let's have her on

We'll be checking in with this In a couple of weeks Ellen watch By the way It looks like the pen Was before the pencil Wow Shit

Wow Why did they even bother I guess because you can erase it I guess I don't know Because graphite was discovered Eventually But it was lead first

Yeah and you can sketch Better with it Than you can with pen. Look, I didn't do a lot of research here, Jack, but I'm going with pen before pencil. No, I just meant graphite is newer than pencils. Has anyone ever owned a pencil that wasn't a 2B? Yes.

No, I haven't. Two 2Bs all the way. It's the end of that conversation. Well, what was yours, Forrest, huh? If you had a different type of pencil, what type was it? I had a 1 sometimes, I had was it? I had a one sometimes. I had a three. I had a husky if I was going to pencil fight.

Do you remember pencil fighting? What the hell is pencil fighting? Where do you go like that? Yeah, so pencil fighting is when you use pencils. One person, you'd have your pencils. You'd hold on to one, like on both ends, and you had to hold on to it tight or loose. There was like a little bit of gamesmanship there.

And the other person would take the pencil and flick it and try and break your pencil and you would hit it with the metal part of the end of the pencil to break the pencil and eventually you'd have a pencil that was like undefeated and like won like nine matches you'd be like this is my pencil and that gets beaten sometimes you if you try too hard to pull back the pencil you'd snap your own pencil hitting it but it was a whole thing i didn't grow up rich bring it back i couldn't waste pencils who smashed my ruler once that was a bad one that's a bad story this is a good time and i think to remind everybody to to follow our our instagram id cat id kat podcast id cat how are you enjoying the podcast folks well let's start let's start the actual show for us take it away okay it's time to introduce our guest for today uh please welcome

to the program Dr. Faith Hackett ah I already know too much now it's a doctor and it's a hacket it's a hacket I thought for sure we were going to keep the hacket out of it also not it's she's right there well no a doctor she's a doctor she'sett, right? But I don't like to use different pronouns with people anymore. I try not to guess these things anymore. But no, I know how it is. That's the world. So just so you know, Dr. Faith Hackett, this is the part of the show where Jim is going to try and guess what you do

just by looking around, seeing what's in your home there or asking some yes or no questions. I might give him some hints. So because you're a doctor and you're from, I am going to assume, Jack's family. Why would you assume that? Because of the name Hackett and there's other reasons. Because you're from Jack's family, I'm going to assume that you're a doctor in some type of sweet, sticky syrup that goes into carbonated water. Would that

be correct? Yes. Yeah, she's a Dr. Coca-Cola. She's Dr. Coke. I think she's being sarcastic. I used to have a guy called Dr. Coke who came over to my house once a week. Wait, you're not being sarcastic? No, sometimes I'm covered in icky syrup.

I feel like I should stop asking questions at this spot and maybe we should just find out what she's a doctor in. That's it? You're not guessing anymore? You want any guesses? There's too many innuendos. Give me a clue. Give me a clue.

Give me a clue. Okay. Icky syrup is a lollipop. Okay. She's giving you a clue. Part of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich you're you're a doctor of food preservatives you're a willy wonka now children how about children there's a there's a clue she's a pediatrician she's a pediatrician all right

you got that right okay today we going to be talking about vaccines specifically. Dr. Faith Hackett. I love the vaccine. Dr. Faith Hackett is board certified by the American Academy of Pediatrics since 1986. She completed her residency at John Hopkins Medical Institution in Pediatrics. She is on staff at Anne Arundel Medical Center in Annapolis, Maryland, and she has been a practicing pediatrician in Severna Park, Maryland for 34 years. Now, my first question before we get into the vaccines, I don't remember pediatricians in Australia. We all went to the same doctor. This idea that your child goes to a different doctor to you wasn't something that I remember Ross of friends.

He kept on going to his pediatrician. I never understood that storyline. Is this an American thing or was I just going to the wrong doctors as a child? As an Australian, you only had two doctors. No, you only had your doctor. You had your family doctor. You didn't have a special kid one. But you know, that's true here in areas that are like very spread out.

Like in rural America, you won't find a pediatrician. But in very heavily occupied areas, like big cities, etc. There's so many kids, and there's so many adults, that it's easy to not be a family doctor, you can be, you know, very specifically dedicated to certain age groups, they even have geriatrics, where you only take care of people over 65. I should also mention that our doctor was also our vet. That's important to add into the whole

thing i i my pediatrician was dr nash i remember and i hated getting shots i guess all kids do and then one day i ran out because he told me i was going to get a shot i ran out of the the doctor's office into the parking lot and climbed a tree because i wasn't gonna that's forest all over so agile it was the last tree you ever climbed okay so this shot made him all bloat oh okay uh so dr hackett what we're gonna do now is um i'm i'm gonna ask jim to tell us everything he thinks he knows about vaccines i'm going to prod him along with some questions, help him go along.

We'll let him ramble on there for about five to ten minutes. And after that, we're going to grade him how well he did. You're going to give him a grade one through ten, ten being the best on his accuracy. Kelly's going to give him a grade on his confidence, and I always do, et cetera. If he scores combined, 21 through 30, large pox. 11 through 20, medium pox. 11 through 20, medium pox.

Zero through 10, small pox. Small pox. Yep. I think you got it. I like that. You wait for that wave of large pox. That'll really wipe out a generation. I'll be taking some notes, Dr. Hackett,

so that I can kind of lead us back to where we were, but feel free to if you'd like to too. All right, Jim, what is a vaccine? A vaccine is something that is given to you to stop you from getting a disease or I'd say a disease, yeah. Something that's given to you? It's an injection that's filled with,

and sometimes it's filled with a small portion of the actual disease. So your body will build up immunity so that you will no longer be able to contract you can still get the diseases but it's it makes it very very rare okay and it's only an injection can you do other things uh i believe it's only in needle form yeah okay all right uh where does the word vaccine come from? From the Latin to vaccinate. Wow. No, it comes from, I was only being silly there.

It was very clearly from the Vatican. And it was to make young boys tell lies. That's the first one. I'm not swearing. Thank you. That's one of the rules. I get laid down. There's boundaries. How is a vaccination different from inoculation or is it the same?

Oh, inoculation versus vaccinate. I think inoculation is something that you do after you get something. You can be inoculated for something after you've had the condition already, so you won't get it again. Vaccines preventive. Is that the word? Preventative. Is it a predator?

It's a word now, yeah. When was the first inoculation? Okay, so look, on vaccines and whatnot i i know that the 19 uh late 1960s was when they oh no no the early 19 late 1950s was when they invented the polio one so it was ones before that polio wasn't number one i think we already did things for tuberculosis and we did uh did other ones so i'm gonna say they started vaccinating and in the 19 early 1940s early 1940s yeah first vaccination yeah and inoculation you said was different uh 1938 okay you're killing it uh do you know what nasal insufflation is uh that would be a way to inoculate someone through the nasal passage with a spray sounds good yeah because

there's a lot of there's like that's why cocaine works because there's a lot of little blood vessels and stuff up there and it can get into your system very quickly and you know you you have like the sprays now when you got a cold because that's where the germs get into so it's uh another way to vaccinate there you go yeah then only if they came up with a vaccination combined with cocaine that's how i get my uh when was the vaccine invented and who discovered it? You already said 1940s, but who was the first person to come up with the vaccine? Or to coin the term vaccine, let's say. Yeah, I'm going to say, who's the one who found the mole, who found penicillin?

Mary Antoinette? No, she was the queen, wasn't she? Are you sure you don't want to go with Joe Finkel on this one? Who's the woman with the radiation? Is it Marie Curie? Marie Curie. She did it. Marie Curie.

Marie Curie? Yeah. Okay. How is a vaccine produced? In big metal machines. If you ever see those, like how they make Sriracha, it's similar to that. There's little needles that are all going along a conveyor belt. And then a little thing goes down and goes.

And then there's a little rooster label. And then it goes into a thing. And then some people go. Can you do the sound again, please? And then the little needle goes thing and they get into plastic bags. And then the little heater strip, strip. Seals the bag, seals the bag, seals the bag, seals the bag. And then there's like a lady who's been working there for 10 years going.

Yeah, a lot of people don't like this type of work but i like this type of work it gives me time to think about other things it's like an office documentary into boxes that's how they're that's how they manufacture dr hackett were you trying to say something you couldn't hold it in any longer he's talking about making ben and jerry's ice cream yeah and that's what they call it comfort food it's a small vaccine uh how do they test vaccines oh uh i've talked about this most especially you start off with monkeys you inject them and so you start off with rats then you go monkeys then you go homeless people students than us now what they what they really have to do is they have to find first of all someone who's got the condition. So right now with Corona, there's no use.

I guess they do test it on people. Yeah, they're testing it on people who want to get paid $50 and to go in, you know, probably more money. They're probably getting more money. For COVID? Yeah, for COVID, they're probably getting $5,000, $10,000. And they come in and they inject them. And then they have one person they inject with just nothing. And one person they inject with the vaccine. And then they can have the test person versus the other and see if anything

happens. Okay. Do you know how a vaccine works? A vaccine gives you the smallest amount of the disease into your body so that your disease will build up a tolerance, your body will build up a tolerance and then you will always be immune to that disease is the theory. Okay so what happens is you got your mris which are the ones that people are worried about so when i was a kid you used to get one vaccine or maybe you got one needle for each thing now we have needles that are like multi-vitamin packed and which will have you tuberculosis and you and you the the the polio and the and the the one the tetanus and all that type of stuff. That will all be shoved into you. Well, that's my next question.

Name at least five diseases we have vaccines for. Okay, polio, tuberculosis, HPV. Thank God. Thank God. That means you weren't injected? What are you angry at me for? That means like you weren't injected. What are you angry at me for?

HPV. We've got a vaccine for smallpox. Smallpox. What other one? Probably we had one for the Spanish flu because we got flu shots of vaccines. Okay. That's five. Yeah.

Good. According to the WHO, not the band. Yeah. Got it. All right. There are licensed vaccines for how many infectious diseases? I would say, oh, it would be quite a high number. I'd say 80 or 90.

80 or 90. Yeah. Is that your final answer? Yeah. Okay. You're going to say 2,000 or you're going to go 10. There's no in between on this. Have eradicated any diseases um yes yes we what are they well oh well eradicated is a tricky one because we still have cases of polio happening in africa and stuff like that and i i believe

smallpox has been eradicated i believe i'm gonna say smallpox has been eradicated smallpox yeah okay uh and how many deaths per year do vaccines prevent do they they oh it could it could be in the millions millions it could be in the millions across the world we don't you can't quantify that number because you don't know how much a disease would have spread if we hadn't put the vaccine into use we don't know how much smallpox or polio whatever would go bananas okay and then now what is herd immunity and how does it relate to vaccines herd immunity is when we all get together and we all get the same cold so that we're all as a group going through the same problem at once so that we will all eventually become immune to it and they

they tried that with the covid in, I think, Switzerland or something like that. They tried herd immunity. Okay. And did it work? It did not. No, no. I believe the Swiss actually had a real bump in the whole thing,

and the countries around them were doing a lot better. And then people started blocking the Swiss from coming into their countries in Europe. Okay. It was Sweden, but close. Same thing. Oh, hot people. Hot people.

Is there a vaccine for COVID-19? If not, how long till we get one? We have ones in the trial phase right now, but we don't know. And there's a lot of problems with this right now because if they rush it out too quickly, even I'm pro-vaccine, I might be a bit skeptical.

I want to see a hundred thousand people have it first but then we also don't know what the effects will be in a year's time or something so so i i believe that they have vaccines they think will work but they still have to go through more tests and more time before they're sure that they do okay a couple more questions and we'll get here of here I think you're doing great Are there any adverse Are there any adverse Effects from vaccines

Well It depends who you talk to If you talk to an anti-vaxx person We'll talk about anti-vaxxers in a second Democide People have argued that it can lead to autism No, no, no, Don't talk about that. Like real adverse effect.

Like at least what we would. Yeah. Your arm swells up. I watched my son get one. His arm bloody swelled up. And the bloody needles are painful as all balls. Okay. But recoverable, right?

Yeah. They're recoverable things. I don't think there's a lasting effect that we know of that we can categorically say with 100% definite that this is what's going to happen. And I already know the answer to this, but anti-vaxxers, how do you feel about them and what do you think about them? I think they're detrimental to our way of life. And what are they, just so you know?

And I have friends who are anti-vaxxers. I have people who I like the company of who I think otherwise. You shouldn't. Yeah, who I really like. who i like the company of who i think otherwise yeah who i really like but they believe that um they believe that vaccines lead to more problems and what they sort of bank on is they bank on that you're going to vaccinate your kid right and everyone around so their kid's going to be all right sitting in the middle but then we saw things like the outbreak measles put that down measles got a vaccine uh when we had the outbreak of the measles the measles at uh at disneyland that time right i was like with my son i was like it was his

first time going he was only like two or three or something he'd been vaccine so i was like come on we're going to disneyland because there was no line did you have the vaccine i hope so but that was that was the sweet spot when the measles was was kicking off okay um and lastly i don't know if dr racket i i put this in here i just stumbled upon this do you know do you know anything about a horse named jim and how that relates to medicine or vaccines no i've heard of that no i've never heard of a horse named jim i've heard of a a boy named sue to all my i had a fight the other day with someone about johnny cash everyone knows my opinion on johnny cash johnny cash is shit johnny cash if i hear another person go on that he had a 40 year career the man in black okay first of all wearing black is just slimming and that's why we all do it

his catchphrase hi i'm johnny cash is just him saying hi and then his fucking name afterwards that takes no effort yeah because back then there was not a lot of catchphrases he was getting yeah he got in on the ground floor with that phrase hi i'm my name right and then and then and then everyone goes oh i love i oh, I had someone over at my house and they were like, oh, I just love Johnny Cash. I love Johnny Cash. It was an Italian friend of mine who said, I learned to speak English of Johnny Cash.

I love Johnny Cash. I went, Johnny Cash is shit. And he goes, oh, no, Johnny Cash is one of the most important people in the music industry. And I said, name me five songs. Couldn't get past three. No one can. Walk the line. Boy sue fulsome city blues

ring of fire because he's definitely one of those ones that people say that they love to sound cool no i can name you more than five you could be you're an odd bird right but i've never i've never driven back down sunset and seen someone in a convertible come by me never happened and now but i've seen plenty of you wearing the T-shirt where he's given the finger. You can piss off a lot of your Johnny Cash fans. You're a bunch of frauds. Anyway, back to- You don't know anything about a horse named Jim.

No, I don't know anything about a horse named Jim. Okay, I think that's it. The hate mail we're about to receive is going to be- Someone's going to go, and they'll go out in the Folsom Prison Blues. That audience had to be. Someone's going to go, well, and they'll go out the Folsom City, Folsom Prison Blues. That audience had to be there. His most famous concert

is an audience that were mandated to be in the room. I'd sell out every gigs if I only played prisons. Right. You should actually. Be sad if you didn't.

People are like, I'll just stay in solitary. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dr. Hackett. I've got by the way saying dr hackett really feels demeaning as it falls out of my mouth but i know i'm talking to you and not him for a second there i'm like dr hackett one day because jack's over there going you're doing a good job bizarro world is there a Dr. Hackett? I think there's 10 of them in my family. There's a lot of them.

So you're a disappointment. Yeah. I want to change my answer. They test vaccines on Jack. They work out great. His aunt is getting upset right now. She doesn't like you picking on her nephew. I don't care.

She'll pile on. She's got dirt. There's Jack. We we have to do before we get to the vaccine we answer okay is jack popular in the family is he one of the more loved ones or does everyone get together at thanksgiving go oh jack's here well no jack lives on the west coast with you guys and we're all on the east coast so we only get to see him on like your show yeah but if but if the wind blows right, you still get to smell him. I'm sorry I have the fans on right now. Okay, so Dr. Hackett,

on a scale of zero to 10, 10 being the best, how well did Jim get an accuracy on vaccines? I'd say he got like an eight. He did really well. What? Okay. I was actually kind of surprised.

Some of your discussion wasn't medically accurate, but you had the right idea. Yeah, yeah. Okay. What about confidence, Kelly? I'm giving him a nine on confidence. I want him to get largepox. Yeah.

Baby. Yeah, he has 17 before I even give it to him. I'm going to give him a five. So he has largepox. Largepox. Yeah. Largepox, Jim. All right. Okay. So let's get into it. What is a vaccine? Jim said something to stop you from getting a disease, an injection. It's always an injection, small portion of the actual disease to build immunity. How close was that, Dr. Hackett? It was pretty close. Like what, what vaccines do is they take part of the germ and, you know, we call the term denatured, you know, make it weak or take enough of the germ to give your body a view of the germ inside your body to make antibodies to it. So that's what you meant is

you make antibodies and antibodies are made all the time, but they usually aren't made until they're needed. So if, for example, somebody coughs on you with the flu and you have antibodies, the antibodies of the flu suddenly start being made and it will surround the flu and stop it from invading you and making you sick. And it's really important for those big diseases, like you said, and I did love that you added measles at the end there, Jim, because measles is a hot topic for the anti-vaxxers, and it sort of is the one that people recognize the most, but it is a deadly illness, and we give them a little tiny bit of measles that's different than most of the other vaccines because it is a live vaccine. We've tried to do a dead vaccine with

measles over and over and over, and you don't get enough immunity. You actually have to take the measles virus, kind of make it weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker, and then finally inject you with it. So you do get a little bit of live measles in order to become immune to it. Sorry, so what's the difference between a live and a dead vaccine? I'm a little confused here. So a dead vaccine means that, like, let's take whooping cough, or what's well known as pertussis. They'll take the pertussis germ, they strip the outside off, all you have is the inside, you grind it all up,

and you give that part of the pertussis vaccine. I'm making it as simple as possible. Sure. But you give that to people, and if you give them five in the first five years of life, if you're exposed to whooping cough, you don't get it. However, with measles, you can't do it. You can't break it up and give it, if you give it in little pieces, your body doesn't ever become immune to it. So you actually have to take the measles virus and they, they put like denaturing agents, they make it

weaker and weaker and weaker, and you're giving it and it grows in your system and it activates a portion of your immune system that can then recognize it the next time you're coughed on by somebody with measles. And that's the unfortunate thing because there are a lot of people who are immune suppressed. They can't get measles vaccine. They'll die if they get a measles vaccine. So that's why it's really important that people with strong immune systems take that vaccine to confer herd immunity and make it safe for the person that can't take that vaccine. It's always a cough, huh? The cough is the problem. It seems like maybe. That's correct. Like if we get people to stop coughing,

then there've been no, no problems. I've always thought that about, okay. So like, like, uh, pain is illness leaving your body or whatever or you you know what is sick why when you i think you should be sick once in your life just when you die and the rest of them are just pointless and they're just they're just things you have to get over and they're little hurdles you should just go your body has to know to rest or drink water no no no the rest of your life you should be fine and then the dead one you just go and then you go oh well that's the end of me okay or it should be fun it should be like an orgasm you should go i'm gonna die well i'll send an email to mother nature yeah i was

gonna say i like i like how you think it's a choice we're all like you know we should get sick maybe once a year i'll talk to management really like there's so many pointless illnesses where you're like oh this is you know you're gonna be better you know you're gonna be better but you're like what's a non-point pointless illness well at the moment i've been talking to you i've got the early onsets of arthritis in my fingers right i've got these early onsets of that right which means when i'm older i'm gonna it's just annoying right just an annoying stupid thing that's not gonna help me me in any way. It's just going to make me worse at golf and bowling. And I'm already bad at both.

I've never even heard you go bowling. I know. I was going to say, I'm like, is bowling a thing you do? The holes hurt my fingers. Worse at bowling. I've never scored over 150. We're definitely going bowling when this is all done yeah oh yeah that was our threesome wasn't you jack you told me like after corona the first week of corona jack's eating at jerry's deli in studio city and then his friends like how about we go bowling

could there be a worse sticking your fingers into wearing other people's shoes and putting your fingers in other people's holes and grabbing it off of a thing that everyone's been grabbing and then just eating crap like the chance of you not getting coronavirus bowling or just any other drying your hand on that air that gets pushed out of there there's coughing in the back there i think i got corona going bowling four years ago that's where it started. That's how powerful it was. I think there was just a dead bat

inside that air machine. Jim, when asked, where does the word vaccine come from, said it's the Latin to vaccinate and said it's very clearly from the Vatican. I don't think he was right on that. Not too right, no. I thought he was going to say the pediatric,

but he said it was from the Latin. And I said, oh, he's going to say it right uh vax is the word for cow and the originator that the person that is given um the credit for fact the first vaccine is a man named edward jenner a doctor in 1796 so So another answer. Yeah, you gave him an eight and that's two wrong right there. But I know he did better, but you're being very nice to him. Yeah, so Vax was a cow and he noticed that the milkmaids

who contracted cowpox from milking the cow udders and cowpox was like you got ugly blisters on your hands, but you basically just were very uncomfortable until it resolved. They were not dying of smallpox. And he thought, well, that's interesting. I'm going to scrape some of those cowpox off the cows when they have them, and I'm going to save it. And what he did is he saved it and he took a little bit of it and he

made a scrape into people's arms and put some of that icky stuff in there and they developed these cowpox pustules and over time when they were exposed to smallpox this was around all the time it was a scourge um they all these people that got these cowpox vaccines um lived so he called it a vaccine which meant a cow you know inoculation essentially wow all right wow that's really interesting yeah because you know it wouldn't have been as popular if they were called cow shots yeah yeah okay so um and i asked uh about inoculations versus vaccines i was trying because i for at least what i saw that's sort of the same. But I kind of wanted to ask that question because inoculation, when did that first occur versus the vaccine that you spoke of with Edward Jenner?

Do you want me to tell you about the Chinese? Yeah, please. So I didn't know this, actually. When you asked me to do the podcast, I thought, oh, you know, I wonder when the first vaccine was. Everybody knows about Edward Jenner's work in the war vaccine, et cetera. But when I went back into the archives of like the Philadelphia physicians dedicated of people with smallpox and grind the scab up and through a straw blow it up the noses of royalty. And they would get a little bit sick with small, you know, a little bit sick, but it was dead that it was dead.

And and then they the royalty survived many of the smallpox epidemics. So when they realized that and passed it on, that news traveled all through Asia, through the Middle East, all the way down to Africa. And they were using that technique. I mean, you had to survive it. Smallpox is about 30% lethal. But if you did survive smallpox and you could get the scabs off these people and grind them up and save them and pass them along and inoculate your community they were finding that a lot of people survived smallpox so in my mind uh the vaccination effort was probably 1 000 years old before we got our hands on i was off on that one yeah that and that's the nasal insufflation that's it i was talking about but i was right on

that the theory that you put a little bit up there yeah and another little bit of interesting stuff which i didn't know was that they found smallpox in egyptian mummies in the year 300 300 bc so smallpox was on the planet for over 2 000 years before we were able to eradicate it now but was it something that back then that they didn't know that that was the disease or something because it's like it's like about HIV, right? For a long time there, and correct me if I'm wrong, they were having people dying of HIV, but they were just saying they were dying of pneumonia or they were dying from this or they were dying from that.

They weren't acknowledging for a while there that that was the problem with the blood. So back then, when you say smallpox was around for thousands of years did people know that was what was going am i making sense no yeah they probably had a different name for i don't know they probably it's it was called variola and actually they they did know they called it the name variola they called it smallpox even in like the old whatever but you're absolutely right they did not understand the theory of germs they did not know there was such a thing it was louis pester that discovered germs and the germ theory they thought it was related to filth to poverty um they didn't understand that germ thing that he came up with right that would have been a hard sell the first time well the first the guy like

louis pester when he invented germs when he had to go to everyone like this he had to go so there's these things and you can't see them yeah and they're jumping from skin to skin and if you don't wash your hands they'll get up into your body and then other things carry germs and this and like that it's a hard sell now yeah there's people that don't believe that covet 19s right i know but people just started washing their hands this year yeah i didn't know what soap was. No, but you know, that's a hard sell to sell people. Like, even to the surgeons,

you have to clean your knives before you cut into these people. Yeah. Because that's carrying the... Like, that's mental. Yeah. This was already answered. When was the vaccine invented?

Who discovered it? You said Marie Curie. I think you know that's wrong. You also said Marie Antoinette. No Marie's involved. She said, let the meat backseed. Yeah. So, Edward Jenner Marie Curie, I think you know that's wrong. You also said Marie Antoinette. No Marie's involved. She said, let them eat vaccines. So Edward Jenner was credited with the term vaccine in the time,

but now as Dr. Hackett just told us. Is he related to Kylie Jenner? It's got to be. Got to be. There can't be that many Jenners. They've been changing the world since. They finally did something good. It's like they started out so well.

And they've really evolved. edward's name now sarah that's the sad thing is edward jenner if he was alive would only have about 200 followers on on yeah for sure and they'd be like big deal vaccine well unless he gets ass implants who is the polio guy's name like veruca salt or something what was his his name? Veruca Salt's really long. Who invented the polio vaccine? Yeah, it was like something salt. Something salt. 100% it wasn't Veruca Salt. It was Salk.

Oh, there. Veruca Salt. Salk. Salk. Jonas Salk. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Thanks, doctor.

Jonas Salk. Veruca Salt. That's how I always remember it. Veruca Salt. My mother had the polio, you know, Dr. Jonah Salt, Veruca Salt. That's how I always remember it, Veruca Salt. My mother had the polio, you know, Dr. Hackett. Oh, that's all right. I know she lived way past it, but my mother could bring polio up in any conversation.

She'd be having a bad day. She'd get angry at you. Oh, I didn't mean to get so angry, but, you know, I did have polio as a child. There was a scourge on the earth even like what your mom and my dad he would talk about how they shut down all the pools in the schools when they had a polio outbreak because it was horrible oh she had to learn to walk again you know i tease my mother a lot uh on stage and stuff but i do feel sorry for her about that she she was she was bed restricted for a very long time she could have died had to learn to walk again and then always had joint

problems and that from then on you know part of the problem is you guys go to vets for doctors he's like her hind legs aren't working so well just if you had pediatricians that's why I said that's why I said like the polio that vaccine had be, my mother was born in the mid-1940s. She had polio. She must have gotten the, they didn't have the vaccine until the mid-1950s. Am I right on that? Polio vaccine?

Exactly right, in the 50s. Yeah, in the 50s. Okay, so how is a vaccine produced, Jim said, in big metal machines, kind of like how they make sriracha? Yeah. And it goes like that. that yeah and go right there what does the lady say at the end uh i don't remember what you said she says i don't mind this job other people find it boring it gives me gives me time to think um that's not quite what i

meant uh how is the vaccine produced but maybe dr hack can shed some light on that. You know, it's kind of true. It was just the noise that was true. Does he make it at the Sriracha factory? No, not at the same factory. Don't be silly, Forrest. They grow the germs in, unfortunately, animals usually, and then they save it. Now, honestly, they have strains that

now they just have in big containers and they can reproduce the strains very easily. And they are checked very carefully for contamination and things like that. But with the kind of microbiology techniques and chemical techniques that they have now, they can check all of those batches very frequently so that we know that they're safe and they're uncontaminated. Has there ever been a moment where someone's just walking across the office with a beaker and then they're... I was literally just thinking the exact same thing. And then they go, oh no. Because I hear that there's smallpox being kept in a vial in a safe

for us to keep on making vaccines. It's not like we have the germ, but it's under lock and key. Is that correct, this James Bondiness of we own these diseases still? So there is definitely smallpox probably 500 feet under a vault somewhere. And in fact, the last case of smallpox in the i think the 1970s was a young lady that worked above a lab that made smallpox vaccine and she made cupcakes go up to the vents and she contracted it and died from it um but and so that's the horrible thing is sometimes things do go wrong in a lab but no they really don't walk across the room with the beaker anymore.

How do they get the beaker across the room then? Yep. I don't think they use beakers anymore, Jim. I imagine, I imagine there's a system where they put a tray on the back of a dog. You so love beakers. Have you ever seen that?

I love Lucy episode when she's working in the vaccine factory. Have you ever seen that I Love Lucy episode when she's working in the vaccine factory? Jumping in her mouth. Keep coming. All right, all right, Lucy. I'm doubly vaccinated. This one, I think, Jim. So Jim said they test vaccines on rats, monkeys, homeless people, students than us.

And COVID-19. So maybe we could just talk about that. So right now, how is that testing going with a COVID-19 vaccine how's that working who's that being tested on well there are I believe about 290 companies in the world making um an effort to create the vaccine and it's a coronavirus might be more difficult to understand because it's an RNA virus and not to bore you, but it can't replicate itself. So you, it's not like a germ, like it's a strep throat person coughs on you with strep. Strep can go in your body and it can multiply in your body on its own. Coronavirus is an RNA virus. It doesn't have enough capacity to replicate itself. It has to invade a cell.

And then once it goes into the cell, it uses the cell machinery to replicate itself, it has to invade a cell. And then once it goes into the cell, it uses the cell machinery to replicate itself. And when it makes a ton of them, it breaks up the cell and it busts up and you know, you know, the rest of it releases cytokine and kills a person. So it's a different way of making a vaccine than a vaccine for whooping cough or tetanus, which by the way, they make a tetanus toxin antibody. It's not actually the tetanus germ that they're making the antibody to. So there are all different kinds of things that you're trying to fight because tetanus in and of itself doesn't kill you, but it makes a toxin that kills you. Now you said, you said 290, was that correct? 290

companies? And it's kind of almost like an arms race it's like a space race it's arms race right so the the company makes it first makes billions and billions of dollars right no yeah no question so they're not doing there's not 290 companies going we have to solve this right for the good of mankind has there ever been vaccines that have been given away for free has there ever been like did baruch assault go you can have it uh giving it to the human race no she was notably a terrible person well i will say that well that is actually a real big fear that the companies will sort of go only to like the wealthy people but we'll um when h1n1 hit in 2009 do you remember that yeah i had it yeah you had it jack yeah well you know she doesn't even care

about you jack she didn't even know you had h1n1 it was in hong kong i had it in hong kong that was uh the swine flu bird flu swine flu a version of it yes and um it affected children much worse than adults it was a really scary. Oh, your jack's only nine years old. And the United States government did not have like the flu had been, the flu shot had been released and it was actually killing children. And so the government stepped up, made a really fast addition to making a new flu vaccine within, I believe within three months, which is phenomenal. And then we got to distribute it and we could not charge for the vaccine. We were given the vaccine. It was not charged. I don't know really who paid for it, but we took a whole bunch of vaccine and gave it out. And there wasn't, it was a public health measure. And the answer to, does they ever

give vaccine out for free? That would be a recent example of one. But like in countries like Australia and Britain, where there's free health care they would be getting the vaccines for free but i i guess the governments still get gouged for the price of that you know i don't know someone's paying someone's paying somewhere you have some you have some philanthropists like bill gates that are um donating billions of dollars to certain companies in the United States and in the Western world, France, Switzerland, the United Kingdom. I don't know how much is going to which country, but he's donating billions of dollars to make a free vaccine. And also for- Then you get those conspiracy theorists that say that he's creating a vaccine for population

control, which is so frustrating because he's such a philanthrop for population control, which is like so frustrating because he's such a philanthropist and helping so many people. And yeah, I get the flu shot every year. And then I had a friend that told me, you know, they microchip you the flu shot. I'm like, and then what? I'm already, I have a phone.

I've got credit cards. Like, good. Microchip me. Follow where I'm going. But also the microchipping has been a rumor that that's been happening for 40 years. Like every election year, there's a microchipping has been a rumor that that's been happening for 40 years. Like every election year there's a microchipping rumor. All of that stuff it's just like it's so fucking

mental. Yeah. I mean but it's like if you're not you're already the whole being tracked thing it's like they got you already. If you're worried about that your cell phone's always on in your pocket. So they got you. But anyways um okay so uh where is oh name at least five diseases we have

vaccines for you said polio tuberculosis hpv smallpox flu shots and you also said measles i think you crushed that one yeah that's good well i'm in uh smallpox is not available anymore um it's eradicated from the planet in the 70s 1970s that was another question jim got right you did well jim right so if we eradicated it so we no longer need the vaccine but you say there's some kept in a safe in 500 meters under the ground um so let's say it gets back out we could we could activate that vaccine again we're ready to go we know the formula someone's got the recipe like you know there's coca-cola We know the formula. Someone's got the recipe. There's Coca-Cola's recipe. We've got the recipe for that vaccine. We're ready to go.

Good, good. Wing of bat. Do we assume that if it came back, though, it would be the same strain and that vaccine would be effective? It's wing of bat, eye of newt. What is a newt? Why were we always putting eye of newt? Witches are obsessed with putting eye of newt and things. A newt's like a salamander.

You know a lot of witches. I know a lot of witch movies sorry we keep cutting you off with actual information the pox viruses really don't mutate fast enough so yes it should be covered okay all right we're good we're all good on that um according to the world health organization there are licensed vaccines for how many infectious diseases? I said 90. I think I'm way out. 80 or 90. Do you have this information, Dr. Hackett?

I saw this somewhere, but I don't remember where. No, I didn't look it up for the World Health. The CDC states that we have 26 vaccines in the United States. Yeah, and the World Health, yeah, it was 25 or 20. Yeah, that's the same number. Okay, so I thought it would just be more, but I guess we don't. Okay. So an MRI shot.

How many diseases does that cover at once? A what shot? The MRI. That's the multi-shot. You mean MMR? MMR. MRI is like magnetic. Not MRI.

What's the one that the anti-vaxxers hate? What's it called? It's the- Measles, mumps, rubella. M what? MMR. Yeah. MMR. Okay. Me the measles mumps and what and then more yeah mmr okay sorry what was it mumps measles mumps rubella rubella that's another one rubella hasn't been around for a while we got rid of rubella

we got rid of rubella but not before we had a pretty bad outbreak right what what what here's a question for you what diseases are they working on and anyone can answer this what are they working on to fix with the vaccines what like i know they'd be working on hiv one forever they'd be working on it i'm sure they've been working on they must be working on herpes since the 1970s right so So that one's got to have someone working on it. But apart from that, you're COVID. Ebola. Ebola. Ebola.

How close are you getting the Ebola one up and running? Ebola, wasn't that? That's like old school Ebola. Yeah. Now that you've got the COVID. Like COVID is like the Taliban and Ebola is like the IRA. Yeah, Dr. Agate, your mic cut out a little bit there. Can you hear me now? Yeah, it's better when you lean in a little bit.

Well, let me just say that we're Americans, so we forget that one of the world's leading causes of death is malaria. Oh, yeah. And you get that from mosquitoes, don't you? Yes. Bloody mosquitoes. We have a certain genus of mosquito and we don't have the genus here um but one of the fears is that as the world heats up and we become more tropical we may get that mosquito back here um so they're working on malaria zika zika that was one that we forgot about. Remember the Zika? There was a couple of cases in Miami. I remember that.

And the pregnant women and all that. The Zika was no good. But you said Ebola. We have a vaccine for Ebola? We don't. We're there working on it, but we do not have it. You know, they work a lot harder on vaccines that hit the wealthy world. Because if you want to give a vaccine where Ebola is,

it's very poor African countries and who pays for that? So we need a vaccine for the summertime blues. We can't leave our houses. Please give us medicine. There ain't no cure for the summertime blues. Jack said two things all podcast. I was one of them. Get to work on that.

What is it? So vaccines that have eradicated any diseases, Jim said smallpox. So that's correct. Is that the only one we've eradicated or the rubella? Oh, rubella. No, we haven't eradicated rubella. It's still in the world. So I guess it depends on what you're saying.

But and we eradicated polio from the Western, like Canada, the United States, Mexico and South America has had polio eradicated. And tuberculosis is eradicated in most countries as well, right? But it's still. Not so much. No, we still see a lot of tuberculosis in the world. I got pulled out of a lot. I was once, I was once coming back into england and i was in

australia and i may be i may have been hung over and i was i may have been drinking on the plane and i i walked in 24 hour flight i was all sleepy and pale and just like that i got pulled i got pulled out of the line maybe they had those temperature testing things and i was brought into a room for a tuberculosis screening and i'm like i'm australian yeah i'm like i'm australian i'm just coming from i'm australian i just look sickly there's nothing wrong with me i'm always pale i used to be in school like this miss i don't feel well could i go down to the nurse's office and the teacher would always be like oh you do look very pale

and then off I'd go skipping my way down but what did they do to screen you Jim? they did something an x-ray or something to check my lungs like it was a proper tuberculosis screening room it was a lung check thing. It was like a proper thing. I remember I was there for quite a while. I took an x-ray in the airport.

They might have been a break out of tuberculosis. It was at his vet's office. Did they put you on the conveyor belt where the luggage was? That's good. No tuberculosis here. Yeah, they did a cavity search. Yeah, that's so weird.

They said, we're searching for tuberculosis. You're not going to buy it down there. You've swallowed. Okay. I asked you how many deaths per year do vaccines prevent? You said in the millions. I don't know if there's an actual number, Dr. Hackett. You can't quantify that number, can you?

Well, actually, if you go to the CDC website and they talk about vaccines, If you go to the CDC website and they talk about vaccines, over 20 years, they believe that it saves somewhere in the order of 750,000 deaths in children alone. Every year? Over 20 years. Oh, 20. Okay. It saves 20 million cases. Oh, wow. But 730 deaths. Deaths, wow.

I guess it's somewhere around um 30 some odd thousand cases of deaths a year yeah yeah i i got told i i believe now am i wrong in saying i believe i had whooping cough as a child once but i got over it is that what a hard one to get over i don't remember it because i was a child i've been passed been passed on this. I never knew what that was. You just go and cough. Like, what is it? What it is, is you cough, but you're excellent at basketball. Well, you cough and cough and cough. And if you're a small baby, you cough so much you can't breathe.

You die from like oxygen deprivation. And yes, you're right. It was common and a lot of little kids got it and they got over it. But it's like, the cough is very much a whoop, like a type of loud cough. And it's very painful. And it can last months. And after you cough, you go, there it is. Like that. That's how people know. Please play a clip. There it is.

It's a fun disease. It's super fun until you die from not breathing. The herd immunity, Jim said, is when everybody gets sick together and hangs out. That's kind of what he said in Switzerland. Yeah. They did that for COVID he said in Switzerland. Yeah. They did that for COVID. It was Sweden. Sweden.

But I read something different. I think that's what people think herd immunity is, but can you speak about herd immunity? I'm not sure. Well, herd immunity, let's see. I was saying in the note I sent you that it's kind of a mathematical model, and it depends on the germ.

So if, like, for example, TB, if people, it's a really hard germ to spread. So if you have a small, like maybe 30% of the people are protected, you're not going to see much TB. but in measles, for example, if a hundred people are in a room and you need about 95% herd immunity to not get measles because it's spread so much and it's aerosolized. So you want to make sure that 95 or more people in a room of a hundred have the measles protection, the antibody, or if it's 90% and you have 10 people in the room that are not protected to measles, when someone coughs, at least five or six of those people will get measles. Yeah. So that's what I was reading is it's that it's usually achieved through vaccination, but can also occur through natural infection. So, so cause some people, even in the comedy

community, we're saying like, Oh, you just you just you just you just get sick and then everybody builds up the immunity. But there has to be some people with antibodies that are known in that group. Right. Otherwise, everyone could just die. We're hoping that we can give you herd immunity without getting the disease. Yeah. So get the disease if you get covid. And, you know, that is exactly what happened with Sweden. Unfortunately, they thought, OK, let what happened with Sweden, unfortunately, is they thought, okay, let people get it enough and get herd immunity. But what we don't know with COVID, because it's new, is what is the percentage of people that need to get it to confer herd immunity? Is it 30%, 40%, 60%? That doesn't actually work so well if you have to achieve

it naturally and people die from it versus getting an inoculation. So if you could to achieve it naturally and people die from it. Right. Versus getting an inoculation. So if you could just be patient, wear your mask, practice social distancing, and wait for the vaccine, that seems to me to make a lot more sense. Patient. Kidding me? Say bye to grandma because, you know, bye grandma, because, you know, we're going to get hurt.

So what I was saying about the vaccine coming out and me being skeptical about how long it should be out before i take it is that nonsense once they once the fda say i don't know if it's fda but once the medical people say this vaccine's good should i just believe it because it's been tested or is there always a risk oh good question and i think that i i'm asked that every day, by the way, maybe 30, 40, 50 times a day. And we're trying really hard to see who's making it and how they're making it. And I'm asked all the time, will you take it, Dr. Hackett? And my answer is probably.

It's highly likely I'll take it because the companies that are making the vaccine are companies that are very accustomed to making vaccines and they're putting their best scientists on it. And I feel comfortable that I will be taking a vaccine from when it comes out. Right. Okay. And they've also injected it into thousands and thousands and thousands of volunteers. Some of the studies have 30 40 50 000 volunteers already and they're not having side effects the big question is will you take that vaccine and will it be protective i don't think i'd worry so much about the side effects as i would about whether or not one or two vaccines will protect has there ever been a

vaccine that has been given that in hindsight it wasn't tested enough because i know that we've got we've got medicines like flamidamide right and then the the the pregnant ladies took it and the children came out so so has there ever been a vaccine that we sort of went yeah we didn't we didn't do that one enough yes in fact in the early 1800s they were making diphtheria vaccine and remember diphtheria i don't know nobody knows what it is anymore because it's pretty much eradicated from this hemisphere. But it was an infection that was airborne and it caused you to make a very thick coating in your throat and then your throat closed up and you died basically of asphyxiation. And it hit children very quickly. So they made a vaccine for it, but they didn't really know what they were doing so much. And some of the companies injected diphtheria into some of the population

that was still very active diphtheria. So they actually gave the patient diphtheria. Well, I'm a big fan of the vaccines. I've taken all of them. I've given all of them to someone. I've taken every single one you can take. I should say that I used to be a small spanish girl well congrats on your career thank you the accent is almost gone so so that when you when i

asked you if there are any adverse effects obviously there are some side effects you mentioned like arm swelling fever something like there are some like that but it's that we can talk about anti-vaxxers now. And you said that you think they're detrimental to our way of life. I think the anti-vaxxer, is there any credible link between autism and vaccine? It's been debunked. It's been absolutely, can I talk about that for a minute? Sure, yeah, please.

Talk about it for more than a minute. Only three minutes. Only three? No, no, take your time. She needs to be in even numbers. She's got a vaccine. Well, the whole thing with autism is that it was recognized in the 1990s. Before that, honestly, people didn't recognize it.

They talked a little bit about it, but they started to seriously recognize that there was a disorder in children that involved mostly language and social behavior. And, um, and those two things occur in your second year of life, right? Like we don't really talk that much about language and how you react with other kids and stuff like that when you're eight months old, but we certainly talk about it when you're 18 months old. So Andrew Wakefield was a physician and in 1998, he published an article in a very tiny little icky article that made its way into a really, into the Lancet, which is like the New England Journal here, and said that MMR given to children causes autism. And what he was basing it on was a study with like 25 kids. And you have to remember that when we give MMR, we give it at one year of age. And then if you become quote unquote autistic in

the second year of age, it had to be the MMR. So we was using a temporally based model. Like, look, if you got it, then it had to be this. Unfortunately, that took off. I got a lot of traction. I remember watching with horror that, you know, our Congress was debating whether we should suspend MMR because of this issue with autism. And one of the congressmen stood up and talked about it for a long time because his grandchild was diagnosed with autism. Many, many, many, many, many studies have debunked that. They've been well-run. They've been filled with thousands and thousands of children.

And unfortunately, autism is a heartbreaking illness for a lot of people. I mean, you have mild autism, but you can have severe autism. And so there is no known one cause. So when you can say, okay, it's MMR, that's the cause you got your one cause it's like a bullet point, boom, social media took off. And that was really the big resurgence of anti-vaccination movements. So you had some,

yeah, everybody knows Jenny McCarthy, all that other stuff. But for the rest of us, we really spent a lot of time looking at that study and saying, is that real? Could that be? And it's not true. Yeah, it says he was discredited, too, as a physician. Well, he was stripped of his doctor because it turned out what he did was he put that study out and then he became the expert for a lot of different lawsuits and was paid thousands. Who knows? Millions of dollars to be the expert. So he did it, but it was genius. The reason why he did it and what he did with it, he's been stripped of his doctor title. He's now Mr. Andrew Wakefield. And he's, he's got an, it's like in medicine,

he's no, he's got a notoriety for being no good. Yeah. We actually had asked him to be the expert on this episode before we asked you but he was busy we only have doctors on this show sometimes not my dad is wearing a mask but anyways um yeah so unfortunately that took a lot of traction and it's and we can't seem to break that we can't seem to convince people we also have a president president who somewhat agrees with it, right? Who's an anti-vaxxer. Well, he doesn't agree with anything scientific. Right, right. Well, hair transplants.

He's bought into that science. Yeah, when he makes his anti-vaccine comments, they're in the same category as don't wear a mask. And, you know, the list is long. It makes your head hurt. But you should put disinfectant into your blood, correct? Mm-hmm. If you're Donald Trump, you should.

That's hard. Dr. Hackett, eh? Maybe don't say that on air. I don't know. No, you can say that. Don't worry about it. You'll have a few. You'll lose a few people that won't come.

He's 100% not going to listen to this episode. No, no, no, no, no. He's going to listen to bees. This isn't on Fox and Friends. Do you know about this horse named Jim thing that I found? Is that? I do. I do.

Do you know about this horse named Jim thing that I found? I do. In the early 1900s, it goes back to what animals do they use to make a vaccine, and they did use horses all the time. So there was a horse named Jim that they inoculated with diphtheria, and then they drew his blood and they made the diphtheria toxin for distribution. And what they did not know about this horse at the time was he had tetanus. So when they injected a bunch of these kids with diphtheria vaccine, they gave the kids tetanus. So a bunch of the kids died from tetanus from the diphtheria vaccine.

And so the horse named Jim was like a big screaming, hey, look, if you're doing these vaccines, don't do harm with your vaccine fix it you know not all vaccines were well made yeah right much better now for a million different reasons but um the technology back then was was not there i i just thought it was funny because it was a horse named jim so i found and then it said that this incident and and similar one involving smallpox led to the passage of the biologics, biologics control act of 1902. And then eventually the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 1906. So it did lead to that. The horse named Jim.

I asked you, I don't know if you were able to do that. We have this dinner party fact thing here where our expert gives us one fact, obscure, interesting, or a story or something. No, she already gave us a fact early on where we all went, whoa, and now I've forgotten it. Which one was that? I don't know, I've forgotten it. Oh, the vaccine that comes from cows.

The name, the name, the name. Cows, cow shots. So you don't have to give us another one, but if you have something. I'll give you a couple because I found some interesting things. Well, you know about the vaccine being from the year 1000 in China. I thought that was a good one. You've given us a couple already, yeah. Yeah, and then I didn't know this, but during the, you know,

when Washington was doing the hunt north, trying north, fighting the Redcoats, he and his militia were up as far as Quebec fighting them. And he was winning. And then his whole militia got smallpox. And 50% of the militia died of smallpox. And he had to retreat and go all the way back down to New York. militia died of smallpox and he had to retreat and go all the way back down to New York. And at that time, he made all of his recruits receive a smallpox vaccine before he would continue. It was a mandatory vaccine. So mandatory vaccines are old. I mean, we're talking 1774. He mandated that they have a vaccine. But if that had not happened, America would still

be way up in Canada. we don't part of quebec because that would have been considered united states territory so getting a vaccine is the most patriotic thing you can do we should say yeah also there's women in quebec i'm gonna say if you like baseball what i always say is take one for the team if your kids are are healthy please get the vaccine because your next door neighbor with the heart transplant can't take that vaccine. If your kids are going to play together, your kid will kill that kid. And then they go, what are you talking about? I'll go, well, if your kid gets measles and goes next door and your next door neighbor with the

heart transplant who needs to take medication so he doesn't you know um fight his heart uh he gets me he'll die he'll die in one day and then they go like this they go johnny i told you you weren't getting a shot today but you're getting a shot oh i my son had two of them at once and i had to take him in and i was like all right man it's just gonna be a little needle and then he was like they put it in his arm and the needle came out and he like a cartoon character went across the room was in the corner and went that was no little needle and then the nurse gave zero fucks she had done this to so many children and she's like is he ready for his next one and i'm like all right nurse she probably started out being really entertaining and so so i had to pin him down

and in a bear hug and hold him and i go just put it in just put it in you'll get some lego tell him to climb a tree next time yeah i that you just reminded me of something too so cancer patients i remember this from my mom when they get, it, it wipes out all the vaccines that they got. So all the vaccines my mama got were wiped out by the chemo, but then she couldn't get them because their immune system was compromised. And that was one of the, so people need to think about that as well. Not just the heart transplant, but anybody, there's so many different patients that are susceptible to diseases and then can't get the vaccines that wish they could. I love that you said if you're a real patriot, you would get the shot. Because if you really care about your neighbor or your your teacher or your doctor, with COVID right now, I have patients and they come in and they've got their

mask around here. And I'm like, I'm sorry, but you need to put your mask up here, honey, because I'm 63. I don't really want to die of COVID, okay? And they're like, oh. And then, you know, I'll say, and they'll go, but doctor, I feel like I'm suffocating in my mask. You're just doing that because you want the compliment because you look so good for 63. You're like that because I'm 63. And they're like, no, I am.

I am. And I don't want to. You can't die. You look so youthful and young. And then you go, oh, I am. I am. And I don't want to. You can't die. You look so youthful and young. And then you go, oh, stop it. And then you go pull down that mask and kiss me. 100%. That's what happens.

That's what happens. But you were saying they can't breathe. They say they can't breathe in their mask, but that's BS, right? We're in a mask for eight, 10 hours a day. So I'm like, I'm sympathetic. I really know what you feel like as I'm, you know, my glasses steam up all day, et cetera. Look, we're giving shots out in our parking lot. And the reason why we're doing that, not everybody, we're bringing our children into the office, you know, at different ages, like definitely

a two-year-old can't do a telemedicine visit. But we have to see our kids and we're bringing them in and we're there all day long. I have a staff of 25 and they're relentless. They just want to get the job done. And so we're bringing them in with almost nobody in the office, totally masked and gloved, etc. But if you're 11 or 12 and you don't, you can talk to me, you can kind of stand in front of the camera. I can do enough of your physical physical and a lot of it is mental health questions um a lot of other social issues some teaching then they finish the checkup and they go so dr hackett we'll see you next year i'm no no no drive over to my office and come up in the car and tell me the color car you're in

we're going to give you your two shots i have to ask something why i have an american doctor and i'm doing this because we have a lot of australian listeners uh on the podcast uh we've watched this in movies and i hope some americans in the room can tell me what is it with the grabbing of the testicles turning your head and coughing what is the doctor looking for what i have never in my life i've seen in so many movies i've never in my life had a doctor grab my testicles and go turn and cough i've had to do it you don't have good yeah but i that's because i asked you nicely to do it that wasn't a medical thing but you're not a doctor it's just when the doctor thinks you're sexy but what is it we've never had that they don't do it in britain either i've spoken to british people we don't know this

they grab your balls and tell you to turn and cough what is that all about it's like you're all being felt up. They're looking for a hernia. Okay, so why don't we do that in Australia? Again, because you go to the vet. Yes. Crack the code early on. And also, we don't use the term strep throat.

We just say throat infection. I used to watch some people in movies like, I couldn't go out with him anymore because he had strep. And you're like, it sounds so scary. It's's just a throat infection it goes in like three days i don't know throat infection sounds worse to me than strep throat yeah no you just got an infection in your throat once you take a few antibiotics and then it's gone well dr hackett uh i'm just saying that i feel like there's more medical procedures in America than necessarily grabbing people's testicles and making them cough. Or maybe not enough in Australia. If you get like a wart in your finger or something like that, you come over here to America, they're like freeze it, this and that.

And then they send you off to a wart specialist and they tell you to do this. They tell you that everything in America is referring you to another person. I could be a doctor in America, a normal GP. Not what you do, Dr. Hackett, but I could be just a normal GP. Just, oh, you got a problem with your foot? Go to the foot guy. You got a problem with your skin? Go to the skin fella.

You know, I could do that all day. They're just referral officers. But in Australia, I'll tell you what, the doctors dig in. You go in, you go, oh, I got this mole. They don't send you off to a bloody skin doctor. The guy in the building just goes, oh, get me a scalpel and a solder. And he just digs in there in your back and then he burns it all out while you're there.

It's just a better system. It's more hands on the ground. Hold on a second. I'm going to defend ourselves a little bit. I'm primary care. My husband's primary care. We do all that. I don't deliver babies, but we'll take off moles. We'll treat warts. We'll do all that.

It just depends on- I must be a nightmare to live with because they always send me to a different doctor. Every doctor can't help me and sends me to another doctor. I just run around town. I went to one for me hands the other day and they said, oh, we need some x-rays and stuff. So they're sending me back to my doctor who referred me to the bloody hand doctor. What was that doctor that was a TV doctor, whatever, medicine in Australia? What?

Quibi or not Quibi or forget it. You're thinking Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. Yeah, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. That's got nothing to do with Australia. That was Jane Seymour being a doctor in the Wild West. And you've just gone, oh, that must have been modern day Australia. Well, it does sound like the way you make Australian healthcare sound, it's kind of like the Wild Wild Blast.

No, you were thinking of Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. I was thinking of Doogie Howes. You're thinking of Quincy Goes Outback or whatever. Tom Selleck. He's got the two. I've never seen that movie. Quincy Down Under.

Quincy Down Under. I thought that's who. Yeah, yeah. That was hot on the, hot on like, they did like, they did like Crocodile Dundee. And then they brought Tom Selleck out and they go Quincy Down Under. And it was just Tom Selleck just in australia when he was a cowboy i haven't seen it he's got 56 of rotten tomatoes yeah quincy down under quigley quigley quigley down under sorry yeah quigley okay quincy was the the medical doctor who helped fix you on the show

he was a forensic like pathologist or something and then he just somehow solved crimes. How many of you people, the doctors, right, how many of you actually do start solving crimes? Because, like, you know, diagnosis, murder, Quigley, there always seems to be in those TV shows, doctors seem to be obsessed with solving crimes. Have you or do you plan to solve a crime in the future? No, thank you. Okay, all right.

Easy answer. Okay, Dr. Faith Hackett, thank you very much for being with us today. We appreciate it, especially in this time. This is a very interesting topic to discuss. Is there anything you want to say? I got another one for you. I got to ask you. Trying to let you go.

What's mono? What's mono? Everything. Mononucleosis yeah what is mono that i hear this all the time is that the is that the kissing one it's the name is that is that glandular fever it's it's yes that's what they used to call glandular fever it's infectious mononucleosis caused by edson borovirus oh so in the show i had glandular they just call it glandular because glandular fever makes you tired because i remember what i did was with my mom i woke up one morning i know the show's over no no that's fine i didn't know i was glandular fever is mononuclear it's the same

thing yeah yeah okay yeah so i had glandular fever i didn't call it mono i hear she has mono right anyway i was like what's that you hung out with a lot of like surfers it's all like you know 90210 people right so anyway so i said i woke up a bit tired one morning and i went oh i don't want to go to school so i went to my mom and said oh i'm a bit sick she leaves the house to go to work and then i'm sitting there masturbating and watching indiana jones all right good day good day good as they get then the next day i thought to myself i still don't want to go to school a bit tired and so i went oh i won't go to school and then i thought could i go three could i could i lie my way to three days of school and so i said i won't go to school so my mom cancelled work and so we have to go down to the doctors so then i'm in the doctors and i'm already

lying right because there's nothing wrong with me except I was a bit tired. I'm like, oh, what's your symptoms? Oh, a bit tired. Have you got pain here? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's very painful. You know when they're touching you? Does this feel heavy? Oh, that feels very heavy.

And then I thought they were going to go, you'll be right in a couple of days. Have another two days off school. I thought I'd bought myself the week. And then what happens is the doctor went, yeah, this isn't good. We need blood work. And he comes in with a needle. And I'm like, fuck, I've bloody pushed this too far now. I've got a needle in me arm.

He's like, we need to neuter him. Yeah. So I get the needle. And then they take it out. And then the next day they found out I had mono. That's why i was tired i wasn't lying i just was feeling tired and i thought i you know i won't go to school so i had it for a while mono was rough and this is the thing was the kissing disease and i'd only kissed

two girls in my whole life you can get it on your first kiss and i bloody that girl wasn't worth it i'll tell you all right well i've tried to let you go three times now dr hackett um is there anything anything yeah i do want to say something and this was a lot of fun and i thank you for letting me do this i will say that in my lifetime and i've only been a doctor for like i said 34 years i have seen um with the advent of vaccine, pneumococcal vaccine. Those are the two big ones that we used to see diseases in all the time. Like in the late eighties, when I was first starting practice, I used to lose patients to meningitis, pneumonia. It was a really odd disease that Hib caused that made your epiglottis swell up. And we used to carry a beeper in the,

when I was training at Hopkins that went off if they thought they had an epiglottis patient, because the epiglottis is like a thumb in the back of your throat. And it got so swollen that it would just flop back and kill the kid. So we had to learn how to put a needle here to let the kid live. And it was terrifying being a pediatrician in like the 70s and 80s and they came out with those two vaccines sort of in the late 80s and made them better and better and now we give them at 2, 4, 6 and 12 months 2, 4, 6 and 15 months and it's gone it's 99% gone HID vaccine so when you were asking about whether we got rid of you know a couple of. I forgot to mention Hib vaccine because in my short lifetime, it's gone.

Now it does exist in people's throats all the time, but it doesn't kill our little kids. And I remember distinctly every winter getting a big breath and forget the flu. It was getting that call at three in the morning to go down to the ER for like a nine month old with a fever and a bulging head. And I'd put the

spinal needle in and pus came out of the spinal needle, like green pus. And I was shoving antibiotics and spent the whole night in the ER trying to save that little one's life. Sometimes I didn't. And sometimes I did, but they lost their vision or they lost their hearing or they became cognitively delayed. It was a horrible, horrible disease. And when Hib first came out, it was only given out to two-year-olds and they made the vaccine better and better. And they could give it down to babies because it was a baby disease. And my partner's eight years younger than me and she's never seen it. It went away that fast. Once they instituted that vaccine, put it in the schedule, made doctors go, you know what, made it mandatory.

I would tell her about the red beeper, about, you know, getting pus out of spinal columns, about the pneumonia kids that got intubated and died. She said, Faith, I never saw that. I'm like, what? And I found that really fascinating. So when we talk about vaccine success stories, I'd say Hib is way up there with the pneumococcal virus, which everybody knows is like Pneumovax or Prevnar. But it's pretty much dropped that 90, 95% in the children's. So when the CDC gives me statistics, I see it. I no longer get that call at three in the morning with the kid with the fever and put my shoes on and run out the door of the ER. I don't have to. I'm like,

did you get your shots yes fine then you're good use some tylenol i'll see you in the morning so take your vaccines people yeah well thank you dr hackett you've been a joy you're a good egg you you're all right you you're out there helping kids and stuff like that you're all right you've redeemed the hackett name i've been ruining it for three years out here I'm only sorry I'm not seeing you Jack I'll turn the camera you didn't even know you had H1N1 you don't care about him

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