Jack - McCabe Is Fired

Episode Date: March 19, 2018

This week, we discuss the HIC’s premature climax, the sanctimonious Trump trustee Daniel Scavino, and another firing of one of the Comey Five. Enjoy!

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because I know how to hatch act. With me, as always, is Jolissa Johnson? Hey. And Jordan Coburn. Good to be here. Wow. This week, though, in our hot notes, Jordan's going to be covering the house

until committee's premature climax. And we have Jelisa, who's gonna tell us all about a guy named Dan Scavino. I'm gonna be covering the firing of another one of the Komi 5, but for now, let's get right to it with just the facts. Last weekend, Mother Jones released a video of Trump having a dialogue with someone named Maria Bhutina. That's a Torshan Protige, you guys. And if you remember, torsion is the NRA Russian

guy, a member from our bonus episode about the Russian money in the NRA. Well, during a public panel at Freedom Fest, you have to say it with a Southern accent. Yeah. And Pupipu in the Vines. Nice. And it was in July of 2015, you know, right? When he was thinking about running for president, starting to run, Bhutina asked Trump, he called on Bhutina like she was a press agent, and she asked Trump what would he do about the horrible sanctions that Obama administration put on Russia for invading Crimea? And Trump pretty much said he would get rid of them.

So that's interesting. Very. Right? And we will cover that in our book mini series. She's in there. Yeah, she is. Why did he call on her and why did his answer sound like he rehearsed it? It's all very intriguing.

But anyway, he had established early on that he wanted to live sanctions. So there you go. On Monday, NBC reported that one of Kushner's college buddies might have pushed the Kush to ease sanctions in Venezuela. So now we've got a foreign policy influence from China, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Russia, and now Venezuela. Reports from the Associated Press show that Kushner had previous business dealings with this rich hunting buddy who donated like millions to Trump's campaign. He's from Argentina? I don't think so. campaign. He's from Argentina. I don't think so.

Oh. He's just an old college chap. Oh, got it. But he does a lot of oil business in Venezuela. Oh, Venezuela. Yeah, and so he has exclusive access to the Trump family since the election. Right.

The guy's name is Gentry Beach. Mr. Beach. Yeah. Gentry Beach. Oh. Beach. Yeah. Gentry Beach. Some of Gentry Fide. Toad on the beach. This is my father. He's Gentry Fide for sure.

Well, Jared and Gentry, Jared and Gentry, opened a company together that Cush didn't report. Whoa. Go figure. It's being looked at whether Beach's friendship with Cushner got him into high level meetings about relieving Venezuelan sanctions to open up fuel opportunities. So that's nice.

Prime Minister Theresa May said on Monday that it's highly likely the Russians poisoned X double agent, Sergei Skrypall, in Salisbury, on March 4. They found Sergei and his daughter, Yulia, the slouched over on a bench poisoned by a nerve agent known to be Russian. Sarah Sanders called the episode reckless, indiscriminate, and irresponsible, but refused to blame Russia. Irresponsible? That's what murder is? Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, oh, wait, sorry. Those were my notes on this whole administration. You know, driving and texting, not cleaning up your room, poisoning people with nerve agents.

Yeah, you know, she refused to, sorry. I was just gonna say that's such eerie imagery. The two of them slumped over on a bench. It's crazy. It is, it's very scary and creepy. But she refused to blame Russia. But we will hear stronger words from the White House later in the week.

Nikki Haley would condemn Russia on behalf of the u-s in the u-n on the following wednesday so that was good uh... as predicted from last week's show republicans on the house intelligence committee announced monday that they were all done with the russia investigation they've concluded there was no collusion and uh... step further they've colluded that uh... russian might have metled in the elections, but not on behalf of Donald Trump.

Predictable. It's whole predictable. And Jordan's going to be talking about that later in the show. An interesting note buried in this story is that Chuck Grassley appears to be preparing to release the transcripts of the Senate Intel Committee's interviews with the participants of the June 2016 meeting, the one

in Trump Tower with Vesonet Sky on Goldstone and all those people. I don't think there's anything in them, but denial and refusal to answer questions. So I won't be looking forward to them too much, but I think he's doing it to be like, look, we're transparent. Here's the transcripts of people who refuse to answer questions. Keep in mind, none of this has anything to do with the Mueller investigation, but it does give Trump and his White House an amazing talking point.

So he can say now he has proof there's no collusion. Thanks, I believe. His base will believe it. There's really convinced. We had a lot of bots. Yeah, I got attacked by bots pretty hard on the McCabe thing. I'll talk about that later.

But none of the stuff is a sculptor that, you know, that the house is coming out saying no collusion, that's not a sculptor for obstruction of justice or money laundering or tax fraud but Trump could he could he use it to fire Mueller now that the now that the investigations over did sessions in Francisco and Rosenstein have dinner the other night to discuss the implications of this who knows so that would make sense I guess but well you know Jordan you're gonna we're gonna go deeper into

that a little bit later in our hot notes. Yeah. Bloomberg reported Monday that Mueller might be putting off obstruction charges. The investigation is said to be close to completion, but some have said he might set that lane aside while he works on collusion and the hacking of the Democratic Party,

the DNC and Podesta. He's purportedly doing this because charges of obstruction could scare off witnesses and he has yet to speak to Ivanka Jared, Schiller, or Donald Trump, Jr. So I think he's holding off because when he gets deep into obstruction, Rosenstein may have to recuse himself because he's a witness. He's the one who wrote the fake memo to fire Comey. That's right.

So that's when Noel Francisco would take oversight of the Mueller probe. And that's another thing I'm sure Francisco, Sessions and Rosenstein were talking about at dinner, because there's going to be a small window of time for Mueller to file obstruction indictments after Rosenstein recuses himself, but before Trump removes Francisco to install an attorney general that will stop the investigation. So it's kind of going to be like this timing thing where he, he rosinstein accuses himself. He interviews with Mulary puts together the case. That's the last piece of it. He puts on the finishing touches and before Francis goes out and Trump can put in somebody to fucking fire him or whatever he indites or reports or whatever. So I don't know. We'll see. We do, it's, we do this podcast every single week,

but this week is the one that really feels to me, things are moving and shaking, and it's like, so we're really getting into tit for tats and they're gonna do these actions. Muller has to do these actions. Shits going down. It is, it feels like it's loosening. Yeah, absolutely.

Like the floodgates are starting to open. It's like straight warfare, right? It's just been leaks and the dams about to break, I think. Oh yeah. So good analogies with water. Moving on to early Tuesday, Trump fired Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State. Crazy. Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na And then it's time. Interesting, in light of Tillerson's recent comment

about Russia being responsible for the poisoning of the X-Double Agent in the UK and his daughter. So Tillerson understands the Fifth Article of NATO. But Trump is pretty anti-nato. He always was in the campaign, just like Putin is. A Fifth Article basically says, if you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us, that's the Fifth Article of NATO.

So if somebody does a nerve gas attack on UK soil, we're supposed to be like you've attacked us on our soil. Trump isn't that guy, I guess. But he doesn't like to say nasty things about Russia, but we'll hear some stuff later in the week. Rex Tillerson was brought on early, announced by Carter Page a day before he was even appointed when he was given a speech in Moscow. And his onboarding was managed by Nunez, our good buddy. He was the transition team member in charge of coordinating appointments.

Right. Tillerson is a former Exxon mobile CEO. He did a big deal with Ross Neft in 2011 and he's very well liked by the Russians. So, Tillerson's statement indicates he put out a statement that he was fired. He didn't know why he was fired, but he was honored to serve. Quote. Quote. The secretary had every intention of staying because of the critical progress made in national security. He will miss his colleagues at the Department of State and the foreign ministers he's worked

with throughout the world. The secretary did not speak to the president and is unaware of the reason, but he's grateful for the opportunity to serve and still believe strongly that the public service is a noble calling. Hey, if you ever fire us, could you do it over Twitter? I'd like to experience that. Yeah. No, you wouldn't.

I don't think that you would. I'll do it over Twitter and then I'll tell everyone I told Julie said to tell you. Yeah, you wouldn't. I don't think that you would. I'll do it over Twitter and then I'll tell everyone, I told Jolisa to tell you. Yeah, there you go. You're like, enjoy this week's episode and you just cut out everything. I'll take the fall. Replacing Tillerson is Pompeo.

He's the director of the CIA. He's a war hawk. He wants to bomb Iran after he tears up the nuclear deal, Obama did. Oh boy. He's also the guy I reported in episode 14 that met with the two Russian spy chiefs. Remember the Shannon Wood episode where there's the spy chiefs came in from the FSB and SVR. Yeah. One of them is sanctioned and he required a waiver from Tillerson to even be here.

There was a third spy, the chief of the GRU that's also sanctioned, but he traveled here and no one knows who he met with or why. So that's still a mystery. I'm wondering if Tillerson's ouster on the rise of Pompeo. That sounds like a gladiator movie. He does. The rise of Pompeo. A Michael Bay movie. Tillerson's volcano explosion, right? That's the yeah. Okay. Michael Bayney's systemic in movies. I wonder if it has anything to do with those three Russian spy chiefs meeting with Pompeo. Did Tillerson not do what Russia thought he would? When you remember how in that last stil memo, the Russian's next Romney is Tillerson of State.

As Secretary of State, and Tillerson was in there, maybe they weren't happy with Tillerson. I wonder if Tillerson knows and having been fired without notice. I wonder if he'll tell Mueller so Tillerson didn't thank Trump in his farewell speech either. That's a sign. That is and he made sure to slam Russia as an existential threat to the United States on his way out. So Russia's happy that Tillerson's gone. Yeah, I definitely going on a indictment fantasy league for me. I got a yeah, a tillerson. I think so. Yeah. Since, but since, uh, since he came out against Russia, nerve gas attack, um, I think Russia's happy that he's gone, uh,

a journalist from Russia even said, quote, tillerson said that and Trump fired him. Trump is ours. Unquote. Jesus. Also, sorry, just to clarify. I mean, I think he'll talk to Mueller. Not that he's going to get infected. Oh, okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think he'll talk to Mueller. Not that he's going to get indicted. Oh, okay.

That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I hope I, like, I hope cooperating. Yeah, yeah. I don't think he's in any trouble unless it's some other weird money laundering thing that comes up as a side show. Yeah.

But it's a little surprise though. In the beginning, I thought Taylor Stone was one of the guys that would be like a part of it all. But I guess it just turns out he was just placed. Money laundering is like the new, just complete drunk and video in college sort of. Just comes up to bite you in the ass, or just, it's always there, and never goes away.

And Trump didn't really know Tillerson, which is why he was a non-pick, and why people think that Russia might have had a lot to do with it for Trump. He wasn't a Trump crony, he wasn't a family member, he wasn't a friend, he was an old XCEO of an oil company that did deals in Russia. So that was it, that was his only real, like, you know, anchor in the whole Russia thing, I guess. Yeah, so Also White House a

McGinty Don't be so hard on yourself. How could you know that was I am balls McGinty? It might be McKenzie. I'm not sure but he was fired Tuesday as well He was being investigated for serious financial crimes by the department of Homeland Security He was escorted from the White House. He wasn't allowed to get his jacket and it was cold outside He's one of the last close aides to Trump they call him Trump's body man like he's the guy who stands there with markers and hands him to him when he's signing stuff Oh, okay He even that guy has to go.

Yeah, so he knows too much. Yeah, he was like just the marker guy. He was like the man hope Hicks, you know. So she's gone, he's gone. Yeah, he'd, he'd, McKinsey had been there since Trump was elected. We also learned Tuesday that Kellyanne Conway's in trouble for using taxpayer money to fly on private jets.

It's about time. Classic, that's a classic one. Yeah, that's a normal thing in this administration. in trouble for using taxpayer money to fly on private jets. It's about time. Classic. That's a classic one. Yeah, that's a normal thing in this administration. And it makes me wonder if everyone's always been doing it, but we're just calling it out now because Trump's president. Oh, yeah. Nothing mattered for a while, but what if everything suddenly matters?

All the backlash comes back and she actually gets fired for like the hedge act or something. Yeah, but we have to be Trump that fires her. True. So who knows? Maybe a plot twist in the movie. Yeah, but he is cleaning house. I was just going to say, yeah, when he goes down on a flame of trying to cover his ass as he's falling down. Yeah.

Just true. Yep. I think that's how it's going to go. A report came out from Washington Post down Tuesday that says, two anonymous former Roger Stone aides told the post that Stone had said he'd met with Assange in 2016. And this story felt really familiar to me, so I checked my notes. And we reported this in episode five about the relationship between Stone and Assange

and how Stone revealed to the House Intelligence Committee that a person named Randy Kredeko had contacted him. And Randy has lots of meetings with Assange and Stone. He's like the go-between. Okay. Uh, Kredeco was subpoenaed to testify to the grand jury in mid-September, Muller's Grand Jury, or mid-December. Stone had said at the time there was nothing untoward about his meetings with Kredeco and we also reported at the time that the CIA director Pompeo had characterized WikiLeaks as an arm of the Russian intelligence and this new WAPU, WAPU, WAPU report, Washington Post report repeats that. And also in episode five, we talked about the tweets by Stone that predicted the Podesta

League, which is also in this new article. And finally, we learned back then that those Podesta documents were hacked by the Russian state and given to WikiLeaks. So no wonder the article sounded familiar. We reported it four months ago. I was going to say it only took four months to transpire. I'm not sure why I just came out. Anyway, that happened.

The Hill reported Tuesday that the FBI attempted to call the Thai prison and speak to the Russian sex worker. Oh! That recorded the Navalny video of Darapasca on the yacht member. Yeah, I didn't see that. With the W.D. Prime Minister, this was reported by a person in Thailand, so I don't know how credible it is. But there wasn't much to it.

The FBI called. The jail said, no, you can't talk to her at the end. Really? Yeah. And I feel like the FBI wouldn't just like call up a prison and ask to talk to an inmate like and then back down to be like okay plan B. Yeah I know. They're gonna bust her out of there. They're just gonna call Thailand so. How about your little phone call and tie? Jack can't talk tie. Oh no

Dean, a Jack can't talk tie. Jack talk tie very well. Reports from inside the White House emerged Tuesday saying Trump was thinking of getting rid of the Secretary of the VA. That's Dr. Shulkin. He's mired in controversy right now and he's thinking about replacing him with Rick Perry. Right. Wow. Rick Perry is an Air Force veteran and he's a fabulous dancer. Oh, yeah.

That's a part. A total idiot. Yeah, yeah. But it's a part. In total idiot. Yeah, he is an idiot. And I'd be concerned for about it because I think you might want to privatize the VA. And privatization is bad, you guys. Oh, yeah. It's just bad. I remember he had a really horrendous campaign video a few years ago.

Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah, with the toes on the beach or something. Yeah, I was like, for like a rabbit beach or something. I got to look that up. I don't think it. Yeah, maybe we can toes on the beach or something. Yeah, I was like, for like a happy face or something. I gotta look that up. I don't think I've seen it. Maybe we can include it on the newsletter.

Yeah, was that like pre-glasses? Rick Perry? I think it was. I think it was the glasses for reading. Oh, okay. I was gonna say, I don't remember seeing glasses in this. Glasses are weak, Julie. So yeah, they make, yeah, they make people wear glasses

as I wear glasses. That's so fun. At least you won't get hit. So, fair enough. Also Also on Tuesday, Sater, our good friend Felix Sater, he walked back his 2015 email claims that he and Putin could get Trump elected together. This was reported in the new book Russian Relate by Isakov and Korn that we'll be covering in a mini-series. So look out for those. Basically in 2015, Sater sent an email to Cohen, that's Trump's attorney, saying, quote, our boy can become president and we can engineer it. And I will get Putin on this program and we'll get Donald elected. Now he's saying he was exaggerating.

Oh my gosh. This is a fascinating story. And we really go into it and some pretty good depth into our book report. So check it out. Tuesday night, Trump attended a fundraiser in Beverly Hills hosted by Guess Who. Ooh, that's a tough one. Oh Harvey Weinstein. That's close. I had a bad time. That's funny.

Yeah, Alex Jones. Broidy. Oh, wow. So less than two months after Nader started cooperating with the FBI, Nader's arrested Dulles on his way to Mar-a-Lago, and now he's cooperating with the FBI. Trump thinks it's a good idea to have Broity,

one of Nader and Imbusa's homies, host a campaign fund razor for him. No, decorum class thoughtfulness. I think it was a shadow wonder if it was a kid. And anything. Yeah, it's crazy. And that was after he, well, you're probably gonna talk about this. This was this week.

Yeah, well, I was gonna say it's after he was in San Diego. Yeah, he was down here. He was viewing all of the different wall prototypes that all just function as a fucker. He looked good for wall. I was gonna really talk about it because it's not really a Russia-related and the other investigation thing. Yeah, sorry, it's true. Although the wall may keep Russians out, I was gonna really talk about it because it's not it's not really a Russia related. Yeah Sorry, I'm sure although the wall may keep Russians out. I'm not sure

We may be safer from poison. Yeah, I might get point you know that we could build the wall to help protect gates I don't know. Mm-hmm. Oh, I like the word play on that. Yeah, right wall gates Gates wall. We call it Gates as wall. Wall gate. Wall gate. Wall gate. I like that. Oh my God.

That's good. Judges order in the Manafort case was unsealed Tuesday in the Eastern District of Virginia because he's got two now, right? DC and Virginia. This was the Virginia one. And it placed Manafort on house arrest. And the judge added this,

she said, I think it's a she said this quote, these conditions are necessary because the defendant is a person of great wealth who has the financial means and international connections to flee and remain at large as well as every incentive to do so, specifically given the nature of the charges against the defendant and the apparent weight of the evidence against him, the defendant faces the very real possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison. Unquote.

It's true, 35 years, right? That's a bit extra. That's the judge, y'all. Keepin' it real. That's like, he's like, yeah, that's fair and impartial, actually. Yeah, that's fair and important. Yeah, exactly. Is that true though?

This is really important to enforce because he's gonna go to prison for life Probably did you hear that the number was 305 like 370? It's it's realistically 18 to 20 on that one. Okay, his other ones 15 to 20 That's still crazy. So that's like you know 40 to 60 years Yeah, he's any 60 something so he'll be in there forever Manafort's trial for the V for the Virginia case is set for July 10th and his DC trial is in September either could be delayed the DC trial already was delayed But that's where it stands right now and Mueller's ready to go in both. Yeah. Yeah, I just waiting for him

Even though he's got 500,000 pieces of evidence and I'm not exaggerating like that's the real remember Yeah, he's just sitting there just, just his work's done on time. He's busy doing other stuff. Yeah, just playing Sudoku. He's probably a badass at Sudoku. He probably was able to finish Rachel Maddow's Friday theme was Crossword Puzzle. He's the most interesting man in the world. He's the person we all want to be. He could be the most new, most interesting man in the world. He is the person we all want to be. He

could be the most new, most interesting man in the world. He seems really boring though. Yeah, it could be ironic. Yeah, right. Like he wears nothing but white shirts every day. Yeah, he seems like he has a Casio watch. He's the least interesting man in the world. Yes. Dems released their official response to the majority shutting down the House Intel Committee investigation into Russian meddling. We're going to have a whole mini-side on the Minority Report this week, the Minority Report this week. So, the big news in that is that there is a second Trump Tower during the Trump campaign,

facilitated by Cohen and Sator, financed by VTB Bank, a sanctioned Russian bank. So we're going gonna go into that. Where was it gonna pop up? The tower? Yeah, Moscow. Okay, got it. So you remember how in 2014, when the Ivanka failed? Well, wait, in 2014, they were both with Ivanka.

But in 2014, he was doing the Miss, you know, the Miss Universe pageant, with Goldstone and a Galarov, that he was gonna do the tower with a Galarov. And that fell through because of the sanctions that Obama put in in 2014. Well, a year and a half later, Sator and Cohen got together

and started planning it again. Got it. With a shell company and a Russian bank sanctioned. And while Trump is running for president, saying America first, he's doing this secret back door deal for a second Trump tower in Moscow. Chasing. That's a big damning. I would hate so much if his grandmaster plan was, oh, I can't get a building here. I'll just run for president and change everything so I can.

And it's working. Yeah. Right. That's pretty much it. Yeah. Late to get this though. Late Tuesday night, outy the republican king of bengal's e you know he uh... broke from the house intel committee majority and said he believes that rational action meddling was in favor of how good for him that is great for him yet he wasn't part of that little new nia's mean girls club good you know like where they were sneaking off yet i make him katey he break away yeah exactly yet yet yet Yeah. And they did the I know I want to see the jingle bell rock Yes, with all of them in the outfits. I want to see Trump his face like in that. I don't want to see you. Yeah

Everybody but Trump We can make an e-card and then they can just have jail bars come over them at the end Yeah, we'll get Gowdy, Nunez. Yeah, we'll figure it out. It'll be great Mm-hmm. I'm excited And in the middle of the night that night I predicted Conor Lamb would win P.A. 18 by 595 votes. Yes, he won by 642 and there are still 500 provisional ballots outstanding So I could I could hit 595. Oh, yeah, good job. We'll see ballots outstanding. So I could I could hit 595. Oh yeah. Good job. We'll see. Senator Warner says despite what the House Intel Committee says that the Senate

Intel Committee agrees with the initial assessment of the intelligence community community that Russians favored Trump and meddled when they meddled in our elections. So they say yeah we don't think what that fat fuck thanks. So they just started talking that, all bets are off anyways. Right. Oh yeah. Just have names for each other and like, I'll shit back over here.

So I'll see you in. Yeah, totally. Like, bitchbox said. Bitchbox, I love it. Yeah. So I got a Pacer alert Wednesday, you guys. Pacer is an account where I get alerts that new files have come up on dockets. Oh cool. I'm total nerd and

There was a new court document filed in the Manafort case So I looked it up and I saw he's added a lawyer to his defense team named Richard Westling If Westley wants you bless you both I Found a New York Times piece on this and that there was the only news about it And it was a brief paragraph or two saying that no one is sure why the lawyer was added and he specializes in healthcare and Environmental fraud and defense and he's worked with the Department of Justice tax division Well, I looked up this lawyer the first thing I noticed on his webpage bio was that he was gonna be a keynote speaker at the 10th annual white collar crime Symposium in Louisiana. Wow. In April.

Where they teach each other how to commit White-Color Crime. There's an annual White-Color Crime Symposium and it's been going on for 10 years. It's kind of cute. How do they... Okay. May I ask what they do there? Yeah, here we go.

We'll get to it. Not surprisingly, there's a very limited amount of information on the internet about the symposium. But I bet it's way nicer than the blue collar crime symposium. But I, maybe we could go there to meet like future ex-husbands or something. Oh yeah. You think?

Like that's where we could go and be mob wives? I don't know. Yes. I like that. But I checked out his bio a little closer. Basically, it's put on by the Louisiana Bar Association and it's lawyers who defend white collar criminals. Come in and talk about it.

She says, Christ, come in and. What a slimy fucking thing. Yeah, it's come in and talk about. Where the money comes. How they defend white collar criminals. Oh, yeah. I checked out his bio a little closer and buried in the healthcare fraud and environmental fraud

were these accomplishments, ready? Quote, specializes in tax controversy and buried in the healthcare fraud and environmental fraud were these accomplishments. Ready? Quote, specializes in tax controversy, such as defending a business owner in an eight-week criminal tax evasion trial involving allegations of unreported income, improper treatment of employees as independent contractors, and the illegal use of offshore bank accounts. Represented in attorney in a criminal tax investigation relating to point offshore tax shelters, counseled individuals on issues relating to undisclosed foreign financial accounts,

and assisted in making voluntary disclosures to the IRS and achieving foreign bank account report compliance. That's the F bar. He's, man of the Ford's got a lot of broken F bars. Mm-hmm. And represented numerous individuals in criminal tax matters being investigated by the Criminal Investigation Division of the IRS, various US

attorney's offices, and the Department of Justice's tax division. Such representation included pre-indipement advocacy before the attorneys in a criminal section of the tax division. So that's why Manafort brought him on his team. He's like an offshore account tax dodge fraud specialist. They could have also called the conference white color crime defense. Yeah. Conference or something, but they're just like, no, this is where the white color crime symposium.

Yeah, yeah. And they have a shrine where they just worship like Bernie made off or something. I don't know. I don't know. But I, you know, I mean, these are defenders. I believe these are defense attorneys. I don't know if it if there's like a special prosecutorial white collar crime convention. Yeah, that would be interesting. That maybe Bob Muller can head up next year.

He would be their king. Yeah, he's pretty much the king of that. So shortly after that, you guys, Manafort filed a 46-page motion to have all the DC charges dismissed. A alleging that Mueller went beyond the purview of his allowable jurisdiction. Within the motion, one of Manafort's lawyers said, Manafort had been threatened with additional indictments saying, quote, my client faces a game of criminal procedure whack a mole by the Mueller investigation whose massive resources he cannot possibly hope to match.

So like, he's smarter than we are. Is this cry? And as we know, this is not going to fly as these crimes are well within the scope of the special counsel. And this seems like a desperate hail Mary to me. Man of Fort Nosey's facing life in prison and in light of the recent nerve attack agent on Skripal in the UK, life in prison is probably his best option right now.

Oh my God. Stuff is so crazy So I can't imagine what it's breaking. I can't imagine what it be must be like to be a Manaforts lawyer Early Thursday the White House grew a little spine in its response to Russia as you know Wednesday Nikki Haley condemned Russia in the UN, and Sarah Sanders released a pretty harsh statement on behalf of the White House. It said this, quote, the latest action by Russia fits into a pattern of behavior in which Russia disregards the international rules based order undermines the sovereignty and security of countries worldwide

and attempts to subvert and discredit Western democratic institutions and processes. The United States is working together with our allies and partners to ensure that this kind of a warrant attack does not happen again. That was sand, that was Sarah Sanders. Yeah, and if that was three months ago, she would have been saying, well, you know, I think there's wrong doings on all sides. We don't know all the details yet. And they would have been sweeping it under the rug to try to save their relationship with the Russians. Totally. So I'm actually impressed with this statement. And not only is it condemning Russia, but it's saying that they're interfering with our democratic processes, which is kind of an admission of their meddling in our elections.

It is, yeah, but they have to, yeah. Like we'll talk about, I just think they have to do that. Now they're gonna try to play the right side all the time and say, oh yeah, we agree. Yeah, Russia's bad and it's just like no one's progress. Right, not progress. Covering up their ass as they're falling and actually getting, Mueller's still gonna go after them, right?

Well, here's what happened. I mean, it doesn't mean you can, just because he's mad at Russia now, doesn't mean he didn't commit a bunch of crimes after them, right? Well, here's what happened. I mean, it doesn't mean you can, just because he's mad at Russia now, doesn't mean he didn't commit a bunch of crimes. Yeah, right. But early Thursday, Trump administration put sanctions on Russia. Basically, he took Mueller's indictment of 13 Russians

and three Russian entities and copied and pasted it into a sanctions report. Yeah. These aren't the sanctions that they voted on in the last year that still haven't been imposed. Right, right. These are brand new sanctions based on Robert Mueller's findings, okay?

That's crazy. It is fresh, fresh ratings were not agree with you with that. That's like, well, I'm sorry. No, he's just basically, they are covering their asses. It's like, it's a step in the right direction, but it's also like, I don't expect them to be so forthcoming, so immediately. Like, you know, the closer we get to them,

like being, you know, prosecuted for this, is gonna, there's gonna be stages of grief for them where they're gonna have to accept it eventually. And then finally, it's like, all right, I'm going to jail. Well, I mean, we sanctioned, or we, we indicted these Russians. These are safe for Trump to sanction because they wasn't Trump's initial doing. All right. So it helps him.

Okay. I'm saying anything that him and his administration can get on board with now in the public eye that's going to make it look like he's not extremely corrupt and advocating for Russian and their and not having it not be his fault at the same time. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Putin's going to blame Mueller for this and not having it not be his fault at the same time. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Putin is going to blame Mueller for this, not Trump. So it'd be easier if he denied it.

Well, yeah, or not denied it. Well, so if they're just saying, yeah, you're right, Russia is bad. That's an awfully convenient position. You're right. To hold. Yeah, yeah. So these sanctions, they freeze assets of those agents and prevent Americans from engaging in business with them

These are the first sanctions enacted since Congress passed the sanctions bill last year So he sanctioned the guys Mueller and Dited like I said But no banks no oligarchs. I suppose it's a step toward acknowledging Russian interference in the elections But in the hunt for Russians Mueller is winning exactly Washington Post reported that the Treasury Secretary alerted the public that Russians have been targeting our energy grid with malware. What I wonder is does Trump's sanctioning of the Russians and Russian entities that Mueller indicted mean that Trump is now validating the indictment? Is Trump saying the Russians meddled in our elections?

Because the indictment details that they meddled in the elections and that because the indictment details that they met reddled in the elections and that they were doing it for trump yeah and now he's using that that and that indictment to put the sanctions down uh... turning himself in slowly i think that these sanctions fly in the face of the high of the house majority uh... report to ending the rush a probe yeah they kinda it you know we're like no we're done there's nothing yeah but we're gonna sanction these guys that you just that Mueller just nabbed. Yes. Dude, at the end of all this, Trump is just going to be in a ball crying. You're like,

Putin is so mean. I didn't want to do any of it. He just made me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's, yeah, he's, I don't know. We'll see. But maybe he'll go to a Putin Tea Party and we can, I'll be happy. Oh, yeah. We learned Thursday that Mueller had subpoenaed Trump in the Trump organization. So sometime in the last few weeks, you guys, he asked for documents, but much of the subpoena is not known. I believe as do other legal experts,

and I'm not a legal expert. I believe, and some legal experts believe that he subpoenaed Trump because Trump failed to hand over something in the voluntary dump. And I'm guessing, I'm guessing, but I think it has to do with that second Trump tower in Moscow. He was trying to cobble together a deal with a sanctioned Russian bank and a Cypriot shell company.

Cypriot means from Cyprus. Thank you. I just, yeah. Yeah, I was like, what? Cypriot, you guys don't know what Cypriot means? That that our word of the week? Yes, Cipriote. Cipriote. And Felix Sater was in on it in Cohen, and Felix Sater stabbed a guy in the face with a broken stem of a margarita glass one. That's not cool.

Oh my God. In the name of NICE, yeah, he was not kosher at all. Did the guy deserve it? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. Is anyone? Yeah. That's a good point.

That's like a judge and jury kind of punishment. So we learned about this from the minority report and the book on Russian roulette. So look for those bonus episodes. So there's lots on this subpoena. Is it what prompted the shutdown of the House Intelligence Committee? Like maybe he was subpoenaed a couple weeks ago.

Like it seems like the last couple weeks, things are been going pretty chaotic in the White House. Oh yeah. I do feel like it would be easier to keep tabs on covering your asses in one investigation than two. So if the house one is also open, then they also have to be covering their tracks. There.

And then there's three, there's the Senate, and then they have the House Judiciary and the Senate Judiciary too. There's a lot of investigations going on. So, yeah, that's true. And we have our own. You're so funny. Anyway, the leak makes it harder for Trump

to fire Mueller or sessions, I think. He's got everything he's asking for and waiting to see what Trump refuses to hand over. Like I said, that's kind of how I think this game is. Because, you know, Mueller said, give me kind of how I think this game is. Because, you know, Mueller said, give me all your stuff and Trump gave him a bunch of stuff. And Mueller's realizing stuff is missing. And so he's subpoenaing him and saying, give it all to me.

And if he doesn't, he's got them on obstruction. Yeah. So, I don't know. We'll see. I wonder if it's something related to UAE and then just the expansion of his probe as well, even. I would imagine so, yeah. That would make sense.

It could. I mean, it is the Trump organization. So it's not just Papa Trump. It's everything, Ivanka. Yeah, it's all of it. It's Trump at and yeah, all of them. The Department of Homeland Security issued a terrifying warning Thursday that Russian state hackers had a foothold now in our energy grid and our nuclear power plants.

So scary. They have the ability to manipulate and shut down our power. How do we podcast if the Russians would have put once this shut us down? We'll get a generator man. Yeah, there we go. We're going to be in a bomb shelter. And can't describe so we can get a generator guys. Maybe those heads, maybe those preppers are right, you know?

But it's for the wrong reasons. That's exactly. Yeah, that's true. That's usually what religion is, right? Yeah. Who was the Republicans that made it happen? Well, I did tear of subscriber as a portable bunker. Yeah.

Oh, nice. Yeah, for $1 million. For these patrons, yeah. Not surprisingly, Russian cyber attacks have surged since Trump took office. No one's doing anything about it. We haven't spent any money to stop it. So, you know, why not?

Finally on Thursday, Thursday night, six sources said that McMaster was going to be fired. Now, he's the National Security Advisor that took over for Flynn. When Flynn was fired, as we know Flynn has pledged guilty he's cooperating with the Mueller investigation. Interestingly, this was right after McMaster made some very tough statements against Russia, much like Tillerson did. So Tillerson makes a bunch of angry statements against Russia, and then he's out. And then McMaster makes a bunch of, you know, tough statements on Russia, and then we hear from like six different news agencies and 10 different sources inside the White House that he was gonna be fired.

But he wasn't, and it hasn't, as of today, as of the recording of this, he's still not fired, and Trump's like, I'm not gonna fire him. Why do you think I'm gonna fire him? And it's like, because that's what you do when everyone said so. So I don't know, everyone started connecting the dots, but the fact remains, the Trump White House lied

about the timing of the firing of Tillerson, so... Interesting, so they're trying to cover something up. Oh yeah. And Vanessa Trump filed for divorce from Donald Trump, Jr. Yes, lovely. Why is this relevant to the Mueller investigation? Well, because she hired a criminal defense attorney to help her. Oh, shit.

Even though the divorce was filed as uncontested. Yes. So a lot of people are speculating that since Mueller subpoenaed the Trump organization, perhaps they need a criminal defense lawyer to help them split their assets and protect them from the asset forfeiture clause that appears in all of Mueller's indictment.

Which is smart, well done. No, it's actually against the law. Well, yes, it's dumb legally. But like as far as criminals go, yeah, I see where they're going with that one. Yeah, try. It's really, and maybe that's what the criminal defense attorney is for. She, because he's been cheating on her and he's a dick anyway. And so maybe, so not gay me, I don't understand how we get here. Money. So maybe, oh, sorry, right. So maybe, um, she legit wants to divorce him and doesn't want to go broke from the investigation,

but also doesn't want to break the law. It's called wrongful conveyance or something where you break up to hide assets. Okay, okay. So either way, it's still in the shady. But it might not be. She might legit want to leave. Oh, okay, I guess, yeah, in that case,

it wouldn't be shady. And so she's probably like, how do I do this without making it look like I'm trying to hide shit? So that's why she's got a criminal defense drink. I don't think it's just so, I guess it's now or never, right? Yeah, well, if they're legitimately getting a divorce, no wife would leave, or I wouldn't think

would leave their husband in the thick of, you know, some sort of evidence. And turmoil for PR reasons, usually they'd stay with them just as a solid unless something really bad happened He was a cheater, but and he's going to jail for a million years Exactly. If he's actually, if he's actually, she must believe that he's actually going to get in trouble and the shit's coming down That's what I hope.

She would get out right now or or what if she's working with him like you guys were saying earlier that would be I didn't even think about that. That makes that makes sense. I don't know. I don't know. But then what happened next, after Thursday is Friday. And Saturday comes afterwards. You guys remember that Friday song or Becca Black? Oh, Friday. It was a quiet day, not one single news story on the Mueller investigation. It would have been the first day since we started this podcast

that a full day would go by without Mueller news. But then at 10 p.m. as if he didn't want to break the streak. Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired the FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. 48 hours before he would have retired with a full pension after over 20 years of service. I'm going to go over this later in the show. But remember, McCabe is one of the Comey 5. I've been talking about the Comey 5 over and over and over again on this show. And I want everyone to watch that. Since the beginning, I've been going over this. The Comey 5 are Baker, Rebicki, Gattis, Bodich, and McCabe. Okay, and was the Tito of the Comey 5?

Was it the Tito? Yeah, I think so. I think you're right. I thought it was more of the Germain, but that's fair. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Saturday, the Guardian and the New York Times both dropped stories that Cambridge Analytica harvested private information from the Facebook profiles of over 50 million American users, according to the former Cambridge employees. Cambridge Analytica was hired by Steve Bannon and the Mercers, those rich people who abandoned

him after he freaked out. As one of the data management companies for Trump's 2016 campaign, one of three managed by Jared Kushner. So they got the Facebook data using an outsider saying it was for academic purposes and Facebook handed it over. Wow. I have a picture of Mercer and his daughter. These are the people who paid $15 million for the project and I just, I don't know, I'll put the picture on the newsletter. I just look at them. The Hill reported shortly after that that Massachusetts is launching an investigation into Trump accessing private Facebook data.

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is free in the United States because you're awesome. Thank you so much for all of your support. All right, welcome back. Time for hot notes. Woo! I can't get over that now. I have to just call everything a hot note. I like it, yeah. This week, Jolise is going to talk about Dan Scavino, right? Yes. All right, take it away, Jolise.

Yeah, so Daniel Scavino, he is an interesting character in all of this because when he was just a teenager in 1990, he was working for Trump's country club in West Tester and kind of working for the restaurant too. And at 14 years old, he was chosen to be Trump's caddy. So I know it's kind of a love story. Yeah, he really admired Trump. He talked in this interview with CNN about a time when he recalled Trump coming down in his like, I guess private jet or helicopter, one of those fancy things. And Trump played a game of basketball with them at the country club. And he was just like, wow, this guy is like building New York. And he came to play with us. And yeah, he really was such a young youth.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, he ended up working for Trump's country club for a long time throughout college. And in 1998, he graduated from State University of New York with a degree in communications. And he spent some time working for other companies as well, like Coca-Cola. But eventually, he was promoted to General Manager of Trump's National Golf Club in Westchester. So he was so valuable to Trump that he was brought on in 2015 to work for the Trump Presidential

Campaign. So a year later, he was promoted to Director of Social Media for the Campaign. And for those 18 months, he was pretty much on the campaign trail, traveling with Trump and managing his social media platforms, such as Twitter. He's one of the few people, yeah, that have access to that. So we can thank him for some of the tweets. You know what it is? People say there's no actual like way to tell how many tweets or Trumps and how many's or askevenos, but what they say is, if it's late at night, that's likely Trump's tweets. And if there's misspe night, that's likely Trump's tweets,

and if there's misspelling, it's also likely Trump's. So, come back, or... There was one that just came out. I'll go over later that I sure was Scevino. Okay. We'll talk about it when you're done. Very nice. So, and July of 2016, Scevino received backlash when Trump's Twitter account posted an image

of Hillary Clinton with the text in the shape of the star of David calling her the most corrupt candidate ever. So Jesus, what the fuck? What does that mean? What is that? Why are they even trying to get at it? Exactly. That was what people were trying to figure out. So the image was originally posted on an anti-Semitic white supremacist account. And the Trump campaign, and it's giving you know, told reporters that they didn't know where the picture originated from, and the star, to them at least, was intended to resemble a sheriff badge,

not a star of David. Really, because everyone's seen those six pointed sheriff badges. Let me double check that right now. I just think you're a president. You're doing a presidential campaign. What does a sheriff badge have to do with unless we're talking about our our pay or a patient, whatever his name is that he pardoned? If anyone is in bed with Israel, it is Trump and not Hillary Clinton.

But then again, they also are as well. It's true. I mean, they're all the rules powerful. Yeah. Maybe we'll have another episode about that. It's true. I mean, they're all the girls powerful. Yeah. Maybe we'll have another episode about that. Yeah, maybe. But in April 2017, Skivino was accused of violating the Hatch Act after tweeting from his personal Twitter account, calling for the defeat of Congressman Justin Amash. So the Office of Special Counsel then informs Gavino that his tweet had indeed violated the Hatch Act and was warned that future violations Could result in further action. So you know a slap on the wrist pretty much basically on Wednesday The the Senate Judiciary Committee's ranking Democrat requesting interviews with Gavino as part of the panel's probe and two

Russia's election meddling and Senator Diane Feinstein wrote to Skivino requesting his assistance with their investigation. And she wrote, given your role in the campaign, we believe you have information that would assist the committee and into investigation. And she doesn't just want to talk about what happened during the election. She wants to know everything that Trump has been up to since he's been in office. So she also wrote, the media has reported that you are a constant presence at Trump's side and an omnipresent in the West Wing, which would place you at key events of

interest to the committee and its investigation of Russia interference in the 2016 election and possible obstruction of justice. So that's her thing. She wants to get Trump for anything he could have done involving the comi firing and flint and all that good stuff. Even though the Congress shut down their investigation and seems like their focus is pretty much everything

that could have happened after the collusion factor. And as we know, four members of the unit. Well, the Senate didn't shut down their investigation. The Congress. I mean, I'm sorry, the House. Yeah, the Senate didn't shut down their investigation. The Congress. I mean, I'm sorry, the House. Yeah, the House Congress. Yeah, I forget. They're a whole thing.

Congress is both. Yes. The House has theirs, and the Senate has theirs. The House quit, and the Senate is still going. Yeah, yeah. I got to brush up on my schoolhouse rock, I guess. Yeah. I'm just a boo.

Yes. Oh, I love it. So Congress wrapped up their probe. You know, hashtag no inclusion. Skivino is just one of the guys that was requested in the committee through the letters to get information. And they want everything. They want anything related to the FBI's investigation into the election. They want any communications he may have had with Russia or any Russian nationalist. And they want any details involving Trump's firing of Flynn and Komi.

So like I said, they're looking into everything and he's pretty loyal to Trump. So I don't know if he's gonna be anyone in a singer or whatever, but I feel like he's gotta have something that they can legally get a hold of. Yeah, well we'll see. Yeah, all right, well thanks for that. For sure.

For your hat-nuit. He also comes up in the Minority Report. So check out that mini-sode if you're patron Jordan, you're going to go over the House Intel Committee prematurely shutting down the Russian investigation. Yeah. Yes, and Adam Schiff's statement in response to it specifically. So as we all know, on Monday, March 12th, the House majority announced that it was terminating the Russian investigation. And at first, for some reason, when this news hit, I didn't hit me as hard as it did when I was preparing for this segment,

actually reading in detail, Adam Schiss response, because it's just so, it's such a low point. He uses that verbiage, and I think that's a really good way to describe it. It's a complete low point. It feels discouraging. Not to say that it wasn't predictable. That's the thing that I kind of think helps me cope with it, is this was a very predictable thing. It's

not like it's indicative of... They won't do anything anyway. Yeah, exactly. They haven't been blocked at every turn. Exactly, yeah. And that's so, yeah, just going into how Adam Schiff responded him. Essentially, the overall message was, it's now up to others to carry the torch essentially of this investigation. We'll do it. I thought this was a good quote. He said basically other people's role now like Mueller in the Senate and other investigatory

entities. Their role be to determine the full extent of Russian interference in our election. The role of US persons connected to the Trump campaign in that intervention, possible efforts to obstruct the investigation by the president and most importantly, what needs to be done to protect the country going forward. And that's really powerful to think that our representatives are failing us that badly. It's an entire house of representatives literally and Basically them shutting this down was them turning their backs on us as American people shift talks in this response about how it's not Robert Mueller's job to tell the American people what's happened. It's his job to investigate it and do

His due diligence and coming to the correct conclusion and it's's the House of Representatives and the senators and the president, I'm not the president because he's the object of his investigation, but it's Congress's job to tell us. And then I'm shutting this down is them turning their backs on the people that voted them in. But we still listen. It's just evidence that they are also part of the conspiracy. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

And then you get the sense from shift too that they basically had two options to be dragged through this farce of a quote unquote investigation investigation by the GOP. That was not, they weren't going and getting, they weren't subpoenaing documents that they really needed to to get down to the bottom of leads they were getting,

they weren't getting phone records, they weren't getting getting. They weren't, you know, getting phone records. They weren't getting any of this follow-up questions. Exactly. For example, when Cohen went to Prague, they asked him, Cohen, did you go to Prague and he went, nope, and they go, okay, we believe you. And the Democrats are like, what can we look at travel? Documents or phone, can we do a phone dump?

Can we look at his credit card? History? No, no, we believe him. Like, that's it. The honor policy. Yeah. And it's in the beginning of the investigation, he said, the questions were asked by minority leadership.

Are we even going to be able to do this investigation when this is, the stakes are so high. It almost inhibits us from doing this investigation thoroughly. They all had their doubts going into it and it turns out that their doubts were valid and no, it's not possible for them to do this investigation. And that's where this idea, I think, of a constitutional crisis thing kind of almost comes up again. It's like the things that we have in place are not allowing for us to accurately and actively get down to the bottom of things and that's scary and it's really sad and...

Well, I have a little more faith in the Senate until committee. For sure. And then I have every faith in Mueller. Yeah, absolutely. But like you said, it's not Mueller's job to tell us, but I think we'll find out. Yeah. It is depressing that the entire Congress and the president are like unreliable. It's the majority and the majority. It's not the entire

country. You're right. You're right. The majority. It's the Republicans. Yeah. And it's not even all of them. Yeah. It's pretty simply less of them. And I hope they keep jumping ship. Absolutely. But that, uh, that wraps it up just a sad note from Adam Schiff. And thank you Adam Schiff for all the work that you did and everybody on that committee. Yeah, that was not the GOP resistance You are noble warriors that will go down in history as people that I think Try to do the right thing and you're in the calendar. He will definitely go down to the sex-adjustice calendar

Oh, yeah, you're absolutely correct on that so Thank you very much for that. Yes, thank you. Eye opener of a, thanks for bringing us down, man. I know. I'm getting depressing. I know. As I mentioned earlier,

I'm about to get mad too, because Jeff Sessions, who technically recused himself from all things Russia related and all things connected to the Hillary email investigation. That was part of his recusal. Did you know that? I didn't know that. Yeah, he keeps not allowed to do anything in the Hillary email investigation either. He fired the FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, 48 hours before he would have

retired with a full pension after over 20 years of service. This happened late last night, late Friday night. I was just getting ready to go on stage and what session sites the reason for his dismissal as an agreement with the findings of the inspector general within the FBI stating that the that McCabe allowed two journalists from the Wall Street Journal to speak to FBI agents about the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server. And you're not allowed to talk about investigations that are underway, even though they completely released all the struck-and-page texts to the public while that investigation was underway, but whatever, they aren't subject to the same rules. And then he showed what's called a lack of candor in interviews with

the IG and the Congress. We have yet to see the IG report because Sessions fired McCabe before it was released. The GOP has also refused to release the McCabe testimony transcripts. So we can't see what he even lied about. McCabe had a scathing response, which we will have a link to in my show notes for the newsletter that our patrons get. But here are some of the highlights.

Quote, for the last year and a half, my family and I have been the targets of an unrelenting assault on our reputation and my service to this country. He explains that the OIG investigation focused on the information he shared properly with the reporter while legal counsel was present and with the public affairs officer

as he has authority to do. He says he answered their questions truthfully. He said when he thought his answers were misunderstood or unclear, he contacted investigators to add and supplement the record. Quote, here's the reality. I am being singled out and treated this way because of the role I played, the actions I took, and the events I witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of James Comey."

He goes on to say, quote, the release of this report was accelerated only after my testimony to the House Intelligence Committee revealed that I would corroborate former director Comey's accounts of his discussions with the president. Take a listen to this clip of me making the same assertion. This is from episode 8, 3 months ago, when McCabe was testifying. On Tuesday, McCabe, he's the deputy director of the FBI, testified before the House Intelligence Committee behind closed doors. Chuck Grassley called for McCabe to be fired. He was testified two days for 17 hours and I think this is part of the effort to discredit the FBI. Yeah The Caps getting tired too, huh? He's worn out and it didn't work because the only couple the only couple of things that we're gonna

They you know if the Republicans had gotten anything on him they'd leaked it But the only things that came out of that meeting that we've heard so far is that he corroborated Komi's story that he told him about Trump's loyalty ask after it happened because Komi told five or six senior officials at the FBI because Komi's not an idiot. Komi's my homie. Now McCabe goes on to say quote, the OIG's focus on me in this report became part of an unprecedented effort by the administration driven by the president himself to remove me from my position and destroy my reputation and possibly strip me of a pension that I worked 21 years to earn. This will not erase the important work I was privileged to be part of,

the results of which will end, will in the end be revealed for the country to see. Unquote. In an interview, McCabe said, the idea that I was dishonest is just wrong. This is part of an effort to discredit me as a witness in the Mueller investigation. Trump's lawyer, Drupi Dogdoud, also released a statement. Have you seen his face? Also, I shouldn't make fun of people's looks, but if they're horrible people, if they're ugly on the inside. Yeah, then I think it's fair game.

Yeah, yeah. It's more common on his soul. Yeah. And like, I don't want to see him make out in public. Right. But his soul isn't true, Pete. He's just gross. And if, and he said this, as if to prove the point that McCabe is making about being

a, this being really more about an attack on the Mueller probe, Dowd goes, quote, I pray acting AG Rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the FBI, OPR and AG sessions and bring it into alleged Russia collusion investigation manufactured by McCabe's boss Jim Comey based on a fraudulent and corrupt dossier, unquote. First, your bitch boy, Nunez's memo said the investigation was kicked off by Popodopolis, not the dossier. So you might want to read your own shit. And the dossier has only been corroborated and none of it has been refuted. So maybe you should wait like an hour before you call for the end of the Mueller investigation. When we know that's why McCabe was removed in the first place,

like maybe give it some time. So like even idiots don't even realize it. Former CIA director John Brennan had the best tweet. I think he said quote when the full extent of your Vanality moral turpitude and political corruption becomes known You will take your rightful place as a disgrace demagogue in the dustbin of history You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America America. We'll try on for you Unquote at least we both love America but you will not destroy America. America will triumph over you." At least we both love America. Fucking epic tweet, right?

Like how'd you get that in the right number of characters? Let's see, what else do I have here? This was, oh, he was responding to Trump's tweet. Here was Trump's tweet. And I think this was Skiveno. Andrew McCabe fired a great day for the hardworking men and women of the FBI, a great day for democracy. Sanctimonious James Comey was his boss

and made McCabe look like a choir boy. He knew all about the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI. Dude, Sanctimonious and choir boy, that sounds like Scevino to me. Yeah, no. Trump, when I have a reference for him. Yeah. Like Trump doesn't Trump would never reference for it. Yeah.

Like, Trump doesn't know what a choir boy is. He was like, he was a lacrosse dick or whatever. Like he didn't do anything with the arts. Seriously. He was a bully. Oh God. Man, this week's heavy. It is.

And he knew all about, you know, the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI, whatever. And it's just sounds like Scovino to me. Comey tweeted, Mr. President, the American people will hear my story very soon and they can judge for themselves who is honorable and who is not. Nice. So, even if this is totally legit, okay, let's say McCabe lied, okay. It doesn't matter. It can't appear that way because the

president continues to politicize it. Trump has wanted him gone since he fired Komi, since Trump fired Komi. Right. Then lo and behold, there's an IG investigation into McCabe. Andrew McCabe, if you're listening, it's probably not the same as a pension, but you've earned a spot in our sexy justice calendar. You're an American hero to us. History will be kind to you, sir, and if things don't work out with your wife, email it us at mullershear.com. Julie is a Johnson comedy at Gmail.com. Alright, you guys, that's hot. No, it's, we'll be right back. It costs a lot to make a podcast. In addition to the hours of research and scripting, there's editing, producing, equipment upgrades, hosting fees, web design, shipping, subscriber management fees, it can really add

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VTB Bank, IC Expert for Toche, that's a Manafort partner. Brad Saxon, that's a Manafort associate. If Gennie Prugozin, that's a Man of Fort partner. Brad Zaxon, that's a Man of Fort associate. You have Gennie Pregozon, that's Putin's chef. Nice. Torshin, Privis. Oh wait, no, not Privis, he's the mall. He's the mall. Kellyanne Conway, Tara Dahl, she's a diplomatic foreign

outreach for the Trump campaign. Scavino, we just went over him. Keith Kellogg, he was a foreign policy advisor. Joseph Schmitz, he was a foreign policy advisor. Marshall Billingsley, transition team, he knows about Flynn's contacts. Paul Erickson with the NRA, Maria Bhutina, the NRA Torsen's Galfriding.

Johnny Yennesson, he's with the NRA. Sergei Million, Vesonetskaya, Roman Beniaminoff. He has knowledge of the June meeting. Bijan Kion, he played, or he paid Finn, Flynn, to investigate Gulen, remember Gulen? That was the guy he wanted him to kidnap. Give him half a million dollars. John Zaboskin.

Yeah, yes, exactly. John Zaboskin, he disseminated Hillary Rodden Clinton's emails. That was his job. Alan Garten, he was a lawyer for the Trump org and Alan Weiselberg. He's the CFO of the Trump org. Deutsche Bank, Cambridge Analytica, Darren Blanton. He's a social media guy for the transition team. John Lando, Ladanese, he's social media for Trump campaign two. Aaron Nevens, A. A. Ron, Florida political ops. He's the guy who got the emails back and forth from Goosefer, Kushner companies, and observer media. Bayrock group, that's a

satyr and Tafik Arif joint. Peter Smith, he's a dark web guy associated with the Trump campaign soliciting Russians to get Hillary Clinton emails. KLS research, that's Peter Smith, cult research, that's Darren Blanton's company. Viz Sense and White Canvas Group, that's Flynn and Iodine EC. Russian American Chamber of Commerce, that's Millions Group, the DMP International, that's Manafort's Joint. Sendine, that's the host that Trump Network used to communicate with Alpha Bank, they're

the hosts. Bridges LLC, that's the Bhutina and Ericsson Shell Company, right to bear arms is Torschen and Bhutina Shell Company, and ACU's Strategic Partners, that's Cops andina and Ericsson shell company. Right to Bear Arms is Torschen and Bhutina shell company and ACU's strategic partners. That's Cops and Inflin. Those are the guys who wanted to do the Marshall Plan. That is who I'm adding this week to. So everyone but the generator of Trump Tower,

basically, he was probably a really nice guy. Yeah, yeah. Now, also guys, there are seven new sealed indictments on the Docket NDC, seven new sealed indictments, that sounds biblical. Seven sealed indictment. Yeah. All the people that you say die for seven than we watch them fall.

All right, you guys, that's the new fantasy team, but are you ready for sabotage? Yeah. All right, you probably already know what it is. McCabe has memorandums. He wrote memos just like Komi did, memorializing his conversations with the president. I didn't know that. And he's given them to Mueller. Ooh. These documents could support obstruction.

So if you remember the day after Trump fired Comey, he called McCabe to find out how Comey got to fly home on an FBI plane after he'd been fired. Why is he taking an FBI plane? And he's like, I would have let him anyway. And Trump said, why don't you ask your wife how it feels to be a loser? That's what he said to him. Oh, what the fuck?

A reference to a failed campaign run she made in 2015. And remember, Hillary's people, like the DNC donated to her campaign, hundreds of thousands of dollars for Hillary. Right, just from Hillary, like she just handed it to him. She made it rain on her. Also asked McCabe how he voted in 2016, and he's been after him ever since.

Well McCabe and Kobe both have memos. And Lordy, I hope there are tapes. So let's go, did you hear there might be tapes? No, I did not hear that. Oh yeah, it's like a wire tape. Why are it tapping kind of situation? Or tapes, just tapes of the Komi conversations. Okay. Oh, I saw that that is tapes of the Komi conversations. Okay.

Oh, I saw that that is one of the things that they were fairly certain they didn't turn over. Yeah, listen to the mini-sode, it's in the minority report, it's going to be good. Let's go to this week's questions and comments, you guys. Brian Basics gave us five stars and he says, quote, back episodes are worth pursuing for newcomers. There's an insurmountable amount of detail in this crazy story and these folks have found a way to add something new to a very broad discussion in an entertaining and

informative way. Thank you, Brian. At T Trillion asks about the DT Junior divorce, wouldn't any Trump have a prenup or is that why people are assuming they're hiding assets? If that is what they're trying, is that a crime? Who do they think they're fooling? Also, when you come to DC, will you have a meetup or is that illegal? First, awesome name. I'm a huge Douglas Adams fan, so yay for Trillian. Yes, that every Trump probably does have a prenup. There is a fraudulent transfer law that prohibits people from intentionally transferring assets to avoid a creditor. There's legal ways to do it, I'm sure, I'm not a lawyer, but I would assume their new criminal defense attorney

will help them to navigate that. We talked about this earlier. Right. If they break the law, Mueller will get his asset forfeiture, but one way or the other. So, at Citizen Dane said, shift status report hinted at trying to continue the investigation anyway. Does that hinge entirely on retaking the house? Is there anything the minority can do

between now and January? Well, Swalls is trying to set up an independent commission, like the 9-11 commission, to continue the work, because it's too partisan, he said, in the Intel committee, House Intel committee, but they need 22 Republicans, and they only have two. So it's not likely. I don't think they can unilaterally continue

their investigation because of the rules of the committee. So I think the investigation will stall until we flip the house. Mueller marches on though. So and we still have the Senate for now. Yes. At Yeagerman wants to know what mechanisms may be in place to facilitate the ongoing integrity of the investigation should Mueller be fired. Are there already sealed indictments? Parallel collaboration with state AGs? Well, yes, well, there are seven sealed indictments right now on the docket. I don't know who they are.

Three of, they might be Russians because we're still rating for the other Russian indictments to come up. But check out this recent thread by Greg Olen on Twitter. He says says quote, the minute sessions is fired, Mueller's contingency plan goes into effect. He's known since literally day one that Trump wanted to fire him. One of the obstruction charges is about Trump wanting to fire him. Do you really think Bobby three sticks isn't ready?

Right. So I'm I'm very comforted by the fact that he has thought every possible scenario out. He's had to. This is what he does. Yeah. fact that he has thought every possible scenario out. He's had to. This is what he does. Yeah. At Big Frog 619 says, what is your prediction about the end game? I believe there will be the revelation that Trump is heavily in debt to Russia.

Well, there's three lanes here, right? Abstruction, collusion, and money laundering tax fraud. I think the recent subpoena of Trump properties, Trump organization indicates Trump has failed to hand over documents voluntarily so that results in the ultimate obstruction. For collusion, the ties between the Trump campaign and the hacking and subsequent dissemination of HRC emails will show conspiracy. It has to be conspiracy, right? Because collusion is not illegal, right? Correct. Conspiracy against the United States. And then there will be a

zillion charges in tax evasion and money laundering with all sorts of Russians and the United Arab Emirates, embizzo, shell companies. At Poup Weasel, that's my favorite, asks what info Mueller is seeking through the subpoena of the Trump organization. As I said, I think he's seeking what Trump failed to turn over in the voluntary request. I think mostly it's about the Trump tarot Moscow, but it could really be about anything. Mueller has evidence of that Trump didn't hand over maybe his taxes. Or I mean, I imagine anywhere that company is, there is potential things to discover. Yeah, it's got to be so endless. At JC Duelos, one asked with the House and Tell Committee shutting down, does the investment, shutting down the investigation, can you explain the

differences with these committees? Are there any ramifications? And can they prosecute people? There's four congressional committees that are looking into this. There's the House Intelligence. There's the House Judiciary. There's a Senate Intelligence in the Senate Judiciary.

None of them have prosecutorial powers. They're already investigating and divulge to the public what's going on. Are there any ramifications? Can they prosecute people? The Congressional committees don't have prosecutorial power. Mueller has prosecutorial power. The Congress, as Jordan was saying earlier, is just there to kind of investigate and tell

the public, protect the public and let the public know. That's not what Mueller does. Mueller keeps everything a secret and prosecutes and it doesn't have to go public. So that's the difference there. At Seguria said, quote, you could do two hours a day and we'd be glued to our headphones. Oh, that's very sweet. That is. At Niklas, Chatham says, quote, sound upgrade is awesome. And can you point me out to where you covered Obama's role in all this?

This attack happened under his watch. No, yes, yes, I can. We'll cover that in depth in our book report. I was gonna say it in the chapter that I read. Very nice. There's a lot of places. I imagine, yeah, there's a lot of places. His Obama kind of missed the boat on Russia. He was trying to be friendly with him,

but he was also, he needed their help in Iran, Syria. Yeah, he needed three serious things from them that he was getting and he didn't want to give those up. And so, you know, you got to let him make those decisions because he's smarter than me. Um, you know, Bob, I wish we could just throw him in in the calendar just because he is on the back seat or something like a bonus flat. You have a bonus flat. It's flat.

Matthew Minor on Facebook says he loves our podcast more than he loves Bacon. Oh my god. Whoa. Uh, what? That is amazing. Uh, At Surrell Woods says, quote, I actually look forward to my Monday hour on the elliptical at the gym. Now thanks to these weekly podcasts.

I wish these women all lived next door to me. I'd invite them to come hang out on the porch and have iced tea and a rocking chair. Yes. I want to do that. I love it. Uh, At Stephen Lacey, who goes by, Steven hates Nazis more than Johnny hates Jazz, says quote, if you want to listen to a smart, informative

and deliciously funny podcast that does a deep dive on the Mueller investigation hosted by three awesome, amazing women, do yourselves a favor and check this one out, stat, you won't be disappointed. That's like a real pro-reviewed. That's so nice. Thank you. You like review people for a living

because that's her own job right there. That's like you have like a high-yelp standing, I bet. Very nice. That's an amazing review. Yeah. At Hoki Horan, Kimberly Phillips, she's an attorney friend of mine. She says, quote, I'm not a federal government employee,

but can people be fired at will? I thought that was the whole get for the government job was that you couldn't just be fired. Yeah. So here's the thing. There's a process that you have to go through for different offenses. It usually goes through a verbal warning and then a verbal reprimand and then an admonishment and then a suspension and then a second suspension and then a last chance contract and then

you can appeal and then you can be fired. Wow. I had a guy, I had somebody who worked for me, a punch a hole through a wall and expose himself to a female. And it took a year to fire him. Louis CK worked for you. So yeah, yeah, he's a government employee, totally. Of course it was. But that long, there are.

You're our crazy man. But there are offenses that are immediately Terminable and apparently in the FBI lying is one of them. Oh, yeah, I have a hard time believing this because I don't know It just feels like really like I thought you had to punch a guy in a face with a margarita stem glass or something like I can't believe or Expose yourself. That seems like it like it should make the list of things. You think? Yeah. It was just in texts, though.

So it wasn't live. So it didn't count. It wasn't as egregious. I was imagining a monster just streaking through a government building. Okay. A paint-a-picture. Yeah. So at Matt9303 asked if firing McCabe, if the firing of McCabe in the news that Cambridge Analytica stole personal information was leaked in retaliation

So he's basically asking Did the FBI leak that Cambridge Analytica 50 million dollar Facebook dump in retaliation for McCabe being fired? Right. I don't think so. I think that came from employees of Cambridge Analytica and Facebook. I don't think it came from the FBI Yeah of Cambridge Analytica and Facebook, I don't think it came from the FBI. Yeah. Also, just a side note on the firing, too. Him doing it that late at night, I feel was really a move to try to not make it a huge publicity. Yeah, 10. Because it's shitty. It's just that it's like, obviously, he served our country for so long. I can't imagine sessions wanted to do that.

We talked about this to each other before, you know, after we recorded last week's episode. And before this one, just that's a shitty position for sessions to be in kind of, but he kind of has to be in it. He has to do it or he could fire sessions for not firing him. Yeah. I hate defending draft sessions. I know. At faux pro bot wants to know who we would cast in the movie version of the Mueller investigation. As Mueller? Wait, wait, we love this question. So please tweet at us at Mueller,

she wrote with your suggestions, and use the hashtag, MuellerMovie. It's M-U-E-L-L-E-R. And we'll reveal our favorites next episode. Yeah, so wait, who are we casting? Is this for Mueller himself? Is this for everyone? Everyone.

The Mueller movie. Okay, Melissa McCarthy. It's gonna happen to be shot spicer. Can we please get her on the phone? Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, so who would play Trump, who would play Mueller, who would play Manafort, who would play Gates, who would play Sanford Caprio?

It's gotta get in on this ensemble. We'll figure it out. Yeah, I'll vote a thousand times. But see him as a DTJ kind of person. Oh, everyone from SNL, that's a shot. He would have to have prosthetic gums installed. So, Atmuller, she wrote on Twitter, Hashtag Muller movie.

Who would you cast? Hit us up. We'll call you out. We'll shout you out next week. On the next episode, we'll cast a movie. I think it'll be fun. Yeah, this is fun. Yes, we should make this movie for entertainment.

Yeah, we kind of are. Yeah. Well, I've had a real fun time and despite all the horribly sad news this week, I still love hanging out talking to you guys. So thanks for listening, I'm A.G. Yeah, I'm Julie Sajansen. I'm Jordan Coburn. This is Moll She Wrote.

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