Jack - Van Der Zwaan Is Indicted

Episode Date: February 26, 2018

This week, we’re joined by Paige Wesley & Armando Torres from Cult Podcast! We discuss Dana Rohrabacher, similarities between Trump & Mueller, as well as a breakdown of the additional Manafort & Gates indictments. Enjoy!

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So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I think. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a true, in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have, communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for having nothing to do with Putin?

I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green.

Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Thank you. Hello, welcome to Mollershi Road. I'm A.G. With me, as always, is Jordan Coburn. Hello. And Julie Sejonsen. Hey.

So, as you guys know, I go by A.G. Because I'm a government employee. I need to keep my identity separate from my politics. And recently, I've been getting a lot of very concerned messages know I go by AG because I'm a government employee. I need to keep my identity separate from my politics. And recently, I've been getting a lot of very concerned messages from listeners pointing out a very obvious clue to my real name on the internet. And I'm here to tell you thank you so much for your concern, but don't worry. I'm aware of it. It's not a violation of the Hatch Act, and that's also not my real name. So nudge nudge wake wake. So please follow us on Twitter and instead Mueller, she wrote we're we're over 2000 followers guys

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A fork in the road and we're gonna get to the bottom of it. Yeah, we're totally going to and so that's really awesome It's a wonderful article shared with us this week by at Scott C. McInnes on Twitter So we look forward to that today We have some very special guests, you guys, from Sister Podcasts on Podbean, the Cult Podcast, which I love. You can find them on Podbean or wherever you get your podcasts, like them, follow them, all that.

We have Paige Wesley, welcome Paige. Hi. Hey. Hello. And Armando Torres, how you guys? Hello, I'm good. How long have you been? I'm good as well.

Thank you. You guys know each other. Yes. Because right before this you guys recorded Cult Podcast and then before that I was here with Robert Timothy recorded Science Faction. This isn't Tants, his house is like We literally just switched seats. Yes, all the musical chairs did.

Well I've been a big fan of you guys as podcasts. I hope you got my fan letters telling you about fucking hearts and all that. Well, I've been a big fan of you guys as podcasts. I hope you got my fan letters telling you about fucking hearts and all that You are not John Spurlock You sir are no John Spurlock. All right guys. I know I say this every week But this has been a crazy weekend news fruits of this investigation are starting to drop and Monkeys are picking it up and eating it and getting drunk If you guys ever watched that David Attenborough special on the Okavango basin, one of my favorites. Anyway, side podcast. Anyway, these indictments are coming out

now at like a fierce pace and so we've got all these felony charges. I have a feeling they aren't going to slow down for a while either. So hang on to your seats. Make sure, you know, go back, start, listen from one again, listen from the first indictment, I think it'll give you nice framing of how this whole thing is as unfolded, but we have a lot to get to this week so let's jump right in with just the facts. All right on Monday, CNN reported that Jared Kushner is being investigated for his finances and his meeting with Sergei Gorkov. Among other things, Mueller is now looking beyond Kushner's Russia contacts. That was what he was initially being looked

at for. And into his efforts to obtain financing for his 666 Fifth Avenue property. Which how he got to know that. I sent that to my mom when I saw it and I was like, I think Kushner might be the anti-crisis., he thought so. He would explain a lot for you. Yeah, right? We had to pick that number right? Yeah, I bet he did. And actually, at those properties, you do get to choose your numbers.

So the guy whose last name involves Kush had to get the sick as number. No, I don't know this. I like that. You guys are dors. So anyway, he's looking beyond that into his finances from Chinese and Katari investors. Also, Mueller is scrutinizing a meeting Kushner had with Gorkov, Sergei Gorkov, a Russian financier. Flynn attended some of those meetings and since he's cooperating with the investigation

and I speculate that some of Flynn's proffer has led to this line of inquiry. Yes. On Tuesday, Mueller indicted a guy named Vanderswan. I've been calling him VDZ. I don't know, it just sounds like an STD to me. Or like Dragon Ball Z or something. Something just way cooler than his name. He's the son-in-law of a Russian oligarch named Herman Kahn,

which has spelled like German Kahn, but it's Herman Kahn, who runs Alpha Bank or who Nate is running. He's one of the four people who are ahead of it, the Alpha Group or the Alpha Bank in Russia. Alpha, if you're going like, I've heard that somewhere before, yes you have. It is the entity that Trump servers began communicating with at the beginning of his campaign. And we mentioned that in the fusion, well we didn't, Glenn Simpson mentioned it in the fusion GPS testimony. And he's mentioned in the Stille d'Asie, the Alpha Bank.

So they're kind of, they got, they're the blue dress, okay, to put it bluntly. The indictment, this indictment alleges that Vanders won, knew about Manifording Gates getting a cooked report from Scadden Law firm on the jailing of timo shanko timo shanko is the opponent of the pro-russian ukrainian president yanakowicz that's the guy man of war worked for he's a putin guy putin installed a menu crane so he could have kind of control over the ukrain and timo shanko was the people's

person and she was the opposition party and they jailed her and then they cooked this report up with scad and law firms to kind of fit it made fake news basically. Yeah for sure. They're really good at it. Oh it's their best thing yet at their best skill. Yeah this was a part of a part of a larger effort to get people in the United States and the EU to publicly support Yennecovich and create fake news about Temeschenenko. This likely came from Gates' proper meeting from February 1st, just a few weeks ago,

which we'll talk about later, or it could have come from that no-knock raid at Manafort's house, but I could be wrong on guessing. The weird part is that I could say the following sentence. I could say quote, Manifort managed the campaign of a guy handpicked by Putin in Russia and his main strategy was to jail his female opponent chanting lock her up and creating fake news about her with the help of Russian troll farms and you wouldn't know what country I was talking about. Right. So Manifort worked for so long for that Yana Kovic guy, lock her up came from that campaign from Timachen, and spreading fake news about her,

and they're like, hmm, what helps we can do this in the United States, and so. What would they say if they didn't broke, if I can do it to the United States, is that it? What do we call fake news, that's actually fake news? So real news is fake news, what's fake news? That's what you call a compromise. I think that's the compromise, definitely.

Disinfermazia. There you go. Thanks. Well bro, this is some good Kushnera year, fellas. It's got to be a strain by now. And I think I brought up in a previous episode that I hope in prison his nickname is Tushner. Oh!

Clevver. No. Not really. OK. We also got confirmation Monday from Cotes. That's the head of the NSA that the Russian spy chiefs Remember a couple weeks ago three Russian spy chiefs came over the guy from the FSB the guy from the SVR and the guy from the GRU We got confirmation because a blooming thaw or somebody sent grassly maybe sent a letter over to them saying dude

What the fuck you let these dudes in one of them sanctioned right? Well codes got back and said yes I did meet with the chief from the FSB and the SVR. I got him a special visa to let him, the sanctioned guy come in. But the third guy who was also sanctioned ahead of the GRU was here, but we still haven't figured out who he met with or what he was doing. That's a problem. Yeah. So that's scary. And if you've seen a picture of that guy, Google it because he's a fucking scary looking dude. He looks like, he looks like, like, this all is straight out

of just like a great like spine novel, like, scad and industries and the head of the GRU. And he just looks like part, you know, he's just a creepy looking dude. On Wednesday, Trump tweeted that Obama is to blame for Russian meddling and called out Jeff Sessions for not prosecuting Obama for Russian meddling. Now that's confusing. It is. What about the Russian hoax? I'm confused. Yeah, I always remember too. What would Obama's motive be? Like why? Like he clearly didn't work.

Like if he was the one doing it. And he's leaving office, it's not like he just didn't work like he was the one doing it and he's leaving office it's not like he just wanted to be the last Democrat ever that's what he was doing. He's just calling Putin and being like, Sup bro. Yeah I just it's so fun like Russia didn't include, Russia didn't interfere with the hoax but if they did it was Obama. Yeah. I do both have sexy beach pics though.

Probably the most. Yeah but do we have do we have an beach picks though. Probably the most, yeah. But do we have an Obama on a horse or a bear or anything like that? Oh, me, yeah. The horse and the bear ones are my favorite. It's what America needs right now. That's what I think sure Russia is, just as a horse, actually.

Exactly, yeah. That's why they're cozy bearers. Yeah, there's ride bears to work. There's like bear cops in the street. Oh my God, bear cops. I bear like cars rain here. Bear cops in the street. Oh my god, bear cops. I bear like, how is rain here? Coming this season. Yeah, because see what I listen to this podcast.

I have to try and picture what a lot of this stuff is like, because sometimes I don't know what these people look like. And so now just imagining that like all of Russia's defense is bear so much better for me. And if you do a show on Fox called Bear Cops, and it's Obama and Putin, that that works because it's a black guy And a white guy right and they're solving cracks together on bears. Yeah I'm excited. Or just like

thick hairy gay cops I watch that too You think Trump just wanted to be the last one to do the thanks Obama meme? Oh, yeah, yeah. That would do it for sure. Maybe, maybe. So yeah, so Obama's to blame for Russia. Okay, so it's funny because the next thing in my note says we learn today, which is Wednesday

that Gates might make a deal. As a new sealed indictment hit the docket. We'll find out later this week. I guess. Oh no, you've worked. Seriously. Just three days ago. Also on Wednesday, we found out about a guy named Cawk. And I just thought about it.

Because his name is Cawk. I don't know. I'm sorry. I've been familiar with Cawk for quite a while. Well, let me tell you something you might not know about Cawk. Cawk is a banker that lent Manafort money when no one else would, and Manafort may or may not have promised cock a job in the White House. You can't write this down.

Specifically, Secretary of the Army. Oh, what a dick. Cock. Oh, poor army. I could mock them for days, but only because I was in the Navy. Really cock. God, of course, he finds a one guy named cock. Alright, then something weird happened. In a sad attempt to seize the narrative, right? Right-wing new sources, Fox and everybody started a little hashtag campaign. They tried so

hard, but it fizzled to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea. Now, the reason you guys don't know what I'm talking about is because this was so sad and pathetic that it never made it anywhere. The reason, okay, so basically, remember the new Ness memo? Yeah. Oh, you do?

Because I don't. And it's kind of like that. But basically, the judge in Flynn's case filed an order that said, and I'm paraphrasing, in order, in addition to evidence of crime, criminal evidence, the prosecution must also hand over any sculpatory evidence to the defense during discovery. Brady. Okay. So that's basically, it means the judge ordered a muller to turn over any and all evidence

that's good for Flynn, not just the stuff that's bad for Flynn, okay. Now the hilarious part is the right wing latched onto this and you're like, hey, hey, Flynn must be innocent because the judge is ordered to turn over stuff that says he's innocent. But actually, this isn't order that judges enter during discovery as a matter of procedure to remind the prosecution that they have to give over to ex-culpatory evidence if they haven't. Yeah, it's a, it's a,

these people don't understand how government works. Well, there's things don't, it's considered a Brady violation, you can prove it, it's a reason to have convictions overturned. Oh, for not handing over ex-culpatory evidence. Right, so now it's probably in all federal court cases, a rule or a policy that you have to remind the prosecution to turn over any ex-culp driving.

What if they just be doing that on their own just to try to make a case for no reason? No, no, no, no. Prosecution. Oh, got it, got it. Okay. This would be like if you murdered somebody and the state is trying you, but they found evidence that since maybe you didn't murder somebody, they can't keep that from you. Got it. Okay. They have to at least tell you. They might not use it in the trial but they have to

inform you of it and if they don't, it's what's considered a Brady violation. Oh cool. Brady Bunch. Yeah. Good to know. All right, so that was stupid and a dumb hashtag that happened. Wait, what was the hashtag? I think a free Flin or something. I don't know. So you know what, it probably something dumb like, withdraw your guilty plea mic or something. Wait, two more.

This hashtag is 47 letters. All people are not good at this. Free Flin business work is because it got mixed with a different hashtag, free Flan at your pola. Oh, no, I was convinced. Fl Oh no I was convinced for a moment. I'm so convinced. Yeah. Mitch said to us I went this is not a big man.

They have not your cheese now it's not that far. What? They did. It's not so far from that. They have fries now. Yeah. What is this? This is life.

What is life even? Thanks Obama! Also on Wednesday we got the transcript from the VDZ, the Vanderswan indictment hearing and it turns out he's not cooperating with Mueller He just signed a guilty plea. He just pleaded guilty. No cooperation. Nine from Vanderswan. So his charges must not have been bad enough for him to need to actually work with him? So the likelihood of them being able to charge him, you're straighting him as much lower than somebody who's actually here. And he just lied to the FBI. So it's not like the 32 other charges.

Let's see what people have. Thursday, Mueller entered a superseding indictment on the Man of Fort Gates case that included 32 new felony charges on top of the 12 from the first indictment. These new charges include tax fraud, money laundering, and lying to banks to get loans, also known as bank fraud. These new charges were filed in the Eastern District of Virginia, whereas the first charges were filed in DC. I'll go over the indictments a little later in the show. I'm going to talk about the indictments in the second half of the show. We learned that Tom Green is actually Gates' lawyer on Wednesday, on Thursday, but then 10 minutes later, we learned he was fired, but then he came back again.

But I think it was just bad reporting. He decided to be his lawyer. It's been musical fucking lawyers for Gates for a few weeks now. His defense attorney, sorry. No, go ahead. His defense attorneys, when they left, they said it was over irreconcilable differences. Yeah, okay. They like, they didn't like Frank got fingered. That's not fair. I still like picturing that it's like the tone green. Yeah, look at that. Actually, I know what the irreconcilable differences were.

And I'll tell you in a little bit. Nice. We'll get to that. So, Mueller was scheduled to meet with Sam Nunberg. Do you guys remember Nunberg? The Nunberger? The Nunberger. He was scheduled to meet with Muller on Thursday.

Nunberg was a Trump campaign aide. We talked about briefly an episode, I don't know, 10 or something. Listen, just go listen. He was fired in August 2015, way early on, for racially charged Facebook posts, which I thought would get you hired under the Trump. Maybe it was the other way where he was like, hey, we're all equal. Right. You gotta go, man.

To Trump, that's racially charged. He's very triggered. So he was fired and he was also an associate of Roger Stone. Trump sued Numburg for $10 million, saying he broke confidentiality by telling the press about the affair and arguments between Hicks and Lewandowski. And they settled in August 2016, but the details are not available, so we don't know how they settled. Fan fiction. I've been writing Lewandowski and Hicks fanfiction for a couple of weeks. We should do some like Hicks Lewandowski, Porter, Erotica. I'm down.

I volunteer. 50 shades of white. White privilege. Hick. Cream. On Friday. We heard Rumblings Friday morning that Gates may have flipped. He wrote a letter to his family and friends, many of whom didn't want him to plead out, saying that he had a change of heart.

Gates had been going back and forth on a plea deal all week. He was like the biggest cock tease with the thing in the... Since it's the beginning of February, finally he gets a plea deal in. He pledged down to two counts pleaded. Excuse me, pleaded down to two counts, def Friday in the United States, tax and fair of violations, and fair as foreign agents registry acts. Yeah, not applying as a foreign agent. Yeah, as a foreign agent. So he, so two counts, to Friday in the US, tax and the fair of stuff,

and they're lying to the special counsel. But here is the awesome part, you guys. The lying to the special counsel part didn't happen months and months ago, like most normal fucking people. His lying happened on February 1st. Oh no. 2018?

Yes. He just lied. That's when he had his plea agreement hearing. It's called a queen for the day interview and the reason they call it that is because he's gay. No. No. He's a big Freddie Mercury thing.

The reason? It would make me like him more, but I don't think that's the case. Yeah, I know. There's nothing cool about him. But they are, they're just also repressed, and that's why there's such fucking pieces of shit. Rosie bears, yeah. Rosie bears, yeah.

Rosie bears. Rosie bears. They're so zestero. They're cops. They're cops. Coming to Fox. Fox News. I feel like we have to make a trailer now.

Little bumper. Queen for the day means this is your plea deal interview. If you're good, you can tell all of your past crimes and everything you know and you are not subject to charges for those crimes. You're immune unless you lie. I think the one rule is so close. He was so close. Why lie out of time when you're immune?

Like that is so crazy. It's just pulsing if you can. Because if you lie, everything you've told them, you were liable to face charges for in that interview. So it's the dumbest thing anyone could ever do. I don't know why he did it. He thought he was smarter. He thought he could smarter than Mueller.

I don't know. That's smarter than I like that. I'm not here. Like if somebody offers you immunity, that's when you just like let it fly. Like I'm drag raised when somebody gets immunity. That's when they pull out the weirdest head. Exactly.

Like exactly like let it all out. I would admit that Jay walking. Oh, exactly like let it all out. I would admit that Jay walking, all you find is, yeah, for sure. Plus all those murders. Yeah, oh yeah. Well, the side stuff. I didn't tell her.

Yeah. Well, anyway, remember when you were just asking me about why his lawyers quit, dude, are reconcilable differences? I think they quit because he lied in his fucking plea deal. Oh, they were like, they were like,

Dr. Fuck. Yeah, you're an idiot. Yeah, thank you. You know when you do black, when you go to a black jack table and they smack their hands and hold them up, so you can see that's what they did. They did, I did, they did casino hands. Where is lawyers present when he was giving the,

Yes. Oh, that's so good. They just face palm, that's the Mueller now. Oh, Jesus Christ. And the FBI had to push back from the table and be like, thank you so much. Because now everything you just told us, which is probably those 32 other charges about bank fraud and tax evasion and everything you did with Manafort, all that shit you just told us, we're gonna file indictments.

And I think that's probably what happened. Just a theory. But the fact is, he lied during his queen for the day. Also on Friday we learned that one of the Russians, and dited by Mueller, last week, remember the 13 Russians, for election meddling, on behalf of Trump, turned out to be the head of the pro-Assad Russian mercenary group that attacked US troops in Syria on February 7th. That's insane. That's huge.

Yeah, the US troops were attacked by Russian mercenaries in Syria and one of the Russians indicted last week was ahead of that group. There's something bigger going on, man. Bigger than Russia even. It's just, it's crazy. We talked about it in one episode, right? That concept of a deal. That's a marketing idea.

Yeah, yeah. North Korea, there's some world order going on here. Well, the recolonization of the Middle East through the Marshall Plan by building nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia. Oh my God, I sound like a pencil. No, no, no. Time will clear your name.

Connected to the dots. Yeah. All right, then another superseding indictment No, no, no, time will clear your name. Connected to the dots, yeah. All right, then another superseding indictment was filed by Mueller against Manafort, alleging he paid Europeans to lobby on behalf of Yennecovitch and told them to act like they weren't paid to do so. That's fake news, right?

Was Ukrainian equivalent of the Hillary pizza shop basement sex trafficking rig? God, peace again. equivalent of the Hillary pizza shop basement sex trafficking ring. I'm pizza game. This is the meeting that Gates lied about in his queen for the day interview. That's what his lie was. He said that meeting didn't happen or wasn't that meeting when Maniford tried to get these European politicians. I think there's three or four of them. The VIP group of men.

Oh, also, you know who else was there yep Dana Roarabockers and you're gonna go into that very nice ties in perfect he's extremely pro-russian yeah I'm wondering like what could they be trading my theory is Roarabocker agreed to oppose concretionally into the Ukraine which actually happened shortly after that meeting so he could have received maybe campaign donations from Russia. This is all congested. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Also on Friday, we found out Rosenstein called the White House a couple of weeks ago and tell him there was an issue with Kushner's security clearance. Oh, really? That required ongoing further investigation. You don't say. But they've been so good about that so far, man. And he did not say that this information was discovered

during the FBI background check. Okay, and that is indicative that the information could have come from the Mueller probe, also indicative that it could have come from the Mueller probe is the fact that the fucking deputy attorney general called the chief of staff instead of the FBI turning a report over to the White House Council. Oh.

So, bull. Robustine called the chief of staff directly. I think Kushner's time as a free man is winding down. We've been calling that since like the second episode. We're just waiting. How good is that? If he's on house arrest, he could just live in his 666 hell. He's perfect.

Yeah, we use own personal help. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, especially because a bunch of other Russians live there. $10 at work. They didn't even try. They didn't even try. They don't understand what they want. They want chaos and they're getting it.

Either way they win. At least right now. No, usually when you cover shit up, you try. They weren't right. Yeah, yeah. It's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. It's ridiculous. They've done it well for the past 30 years.

We didn't know they were still doing this. We weren't thinking about them and all of a sudden they chose to be caught. I don't know. They won K-S, I think. Well, they're just, eh, well, maybe I think they're stupid. We'll see. I'm crazy. Don't worry about it.

Late Friday night, the White House released a statement saying, the White House, as it has said from the outset, will not be commenting on matters involving Mr. Manafort or Mr. Gates as the matters between them and the Office of the Special Counsel are dated and have nothing to do with their service to the campaign. What is the White House? No, it's just a stupid house. Houses don't talk. They write letters.

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All right, we're back. Thank you so much for listening to us. We've made it through the week's news, which means it's time to pass the mic over to Jordan Coburn. Hello. She's gonna tell us about this beautiful, wonderful man named Dana Roarbacher. Yes, so representative Dana Roarbacher,

he's a Republican from Costa Mesa, California. Of course he's a little. Oh, yeah. Having been a Costa Mesa, it is scary. I wish he used to hear. Oh yeah. He used to live there like the Virgin Megastor there. Yes.

So stepford, Yvese, it's so weird. So he's from that district. And he has had a friendly history with Russia like no other representative. And now it is coming out that he's been involved in a lot of these key points within the timeline of the Mueller investigation. So not that he's being investigated criminally. He's not at all

But his name continues to pop up and so there was a great article published and I think it was USA today Maybe I was a little bit in the newsletter subscribe But they lay out a timeline just of his involvement so I'm just gonna go through that because there's a lot of really juicy stuff This is a very juicy juicy time right so back to 2012 is when the FBI first warns were a factor. No, I'm sorry. It's dated Nothing to do with my wife cut off fast forward You house F.E.I. warns him that a Russian spy was trying to recruit him as an agent of influence To a try imagine your spotted what

But uh next Agent of influence I know we're joking, but these are great shows. I know, they really are. They call NBC or something. Yeah, I'm sure they exist somewhere in, like, I don't know, 4chan. What are the kids doing these days? That's a little too much, I guess. But what he actually said was that he said he wasn't worried when the FBI warned him. He's like, I'm not worried.

And there's no evidence that, you know, he's been paid off or anything by them. So he's like, I'm not worried. And there's no evidence that he's been paid off or anything by them. So he's just going to keep trucking. OK. Fast forward to March 19, 2013. This is when the dinner with Manafort happens. The one that Gates was caught lying about. He was present at this meeting, like A.G. just said.

And so this was when Manafort was working on behalf of a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party Let's see they said okay, so they they'd worked together on Reagan's campaign actually did you know that Manifort? Yeah, Manifort and yeah, I didn't do that My god, yeah, that'd be amazing to talk to them though just to that being man for it is 74 or something. It looks like the emperor. Like what is hair blew up? Like, oh, that's true. Yeah, that was amazing. So, so, Manifort didn't file as a foreign agent

with a DOJ or disclose this dinner, and that's kind of where it starts coming under investigation. The contents of this meeting is what Gates pled guilty to pleaded guilty to. You got it. Uh, and what actually happened is they both reported back to Ukraine. To Ukraine. To Ukraine.

Yeah. To Ukraine and they found that document. So that fucked him. Fast forward to April 2016. Meeting in Moscow. So he goes and meets with a high ranking Russian justice official and this is during the time that Congress was Expanding the Magnetski Act which prevents human rights abusers essentially from traveling to the US or spending money in the US. Yeah, so Ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro Roar a bacher. Roar a bacher. Thank you. Roar a bacher. Is Dana. I like Dana. I like a bear in Lira. Yes, it's all bears. Yeah, thank you. That is very helpful actually. It's a good

pneumonic. Roar a bacher. It's also the season finale of Bear Cards. Yes. It never gets hold. No. Really? That's me. I'm kidding. No, sorry, listen. It's like 20 minutes. It's like 20 minutes. It's like 20 minutes. Don't worry, I'm still laughing.

So at this meeting, Rora Bocker is given a memo that says that changes to the Magnitsky Act would have favorable consequences on behalf of Russia. And when confronted about the meeting, he says that it was a quote-unquote nothing burger. And it was real. He actually said that. Yeah. And says that as the position that he holds in Congress, he has a duty to go and get any info and intel that he can.

And that's all he was doing was just hearing him out. But really what happened at that meeting was they presented a whole slew of facts that dispute the premise of the Magnitsky act and say, you know, Magnitsky wasn't that guy. He was actually a piece of shit in these ways. It was in the Dysphamazia campaign against Bill Browder and Magnitsky. Yes, exactly. And they were full of duty. Yeah.

Ha ha ha. Just a new first person shooter game You just go on to people and be like no, no, no, it's not you. It's me Not black is he's a white guy. Oh, so good. Don't worry about it. We'll have to do that later. He's a banker. Oh, that's right. He's a white guy I said it I'm black. I'm sorry. So If we didn't say anything about these Mexicans Thank you our mom. Yeah,, Armando. Yes, thanks. Armando Torres.

Oh, yeah, if you can't tell from my voice, very brown. Yeah, also have Jewish, though, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. So I can talk about the baker too. You can see I think. Yes. So, come on. Okay, so next month in May and June of 2016,

Roryn Bacher goes back to Congress and says to his subcommittee, hey, let's pursue this Magnitsky Act discrepancy. He sets it up so that they, the foreign agents essentially could come and present a full documentary that just documents the countercase essentially for the Magnitsky Act. So the Browder movie.

Yeah. Yes. Yes, you know. And then also simultaneously, this organization, that Vesselnetzkaya, the Russian lawyer who's sole purpose in life, essentially, it seems as to just overturn the Magnetskiyak. She has her group that she created, which is called the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative.

Too many words. All of the questions are human rights H-R-A-G-I. She got a tag sign. Too many words. All of the delicious are human rights, HR-AGI. She's got a flag. She's got a flag. Her eggie. As if they care about human rights. Exactly. It's just an amazing yet again, a troll campaign.

No, it's the human rights, what? It's the human rights accountability. Yeah, it's the human rights accountability. There you go. So you have to be accountable for being too nice to people. I like that. It's like a generator for just like generally good words. Yeah, we got to keep these human rights fucking activists in the last.

And the whole purpose of this organization is to overturn the Magnitsky Act, which is punishing human rights violators. They're pretty clever for the most part. I think this is where they fall short this podcast. I think that they actually tried a little bit, right right they seem to have tried to cover this up with the with the intention. Yeah, because they they put the Russian adoption blanket over it saying that it's a human rights, you know, issue to not adopt these Russian children that need to go and seek asylum in another country. Because basically what happened was when when Putin found out about the Magnitsky Act, when the Magnitsky Act was signed, he banned Americans from adopting Russian children, which is a horrible human rights violation, I think.

And that's why the Magnitsky Act is synonymous with adoptions. And that's why when they were crafting the statement on Air Force One about what the meeting in Trump Tower in June 2016 was, was that we were saying it was about adoptions, because what adoptions means is sanctions. So, yeah. Very important. Yes. Really quick, the documentary that you were talking about a couple points ago, was that made as evidence and then just was made public so that anyone can watch it? I don't know if it's made public opinion. Oh, you can't even watch it. I don't know. I just heard, so what I read was that they were planning on presenting a documentary to the subcommittee

that was going to outline all of the points. So that's for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just super size me. Yeah. Yeah. I think they tried to release it and Browder sued and blocked it.

I think. I don't know. Tell me, Browder, I know you. Listen, I know you're this way. Yes. Where it is, Doug Doug Benson's gonna make his own version Doug loves Magnitsky featuring Kushner So so his his plans to have the subcommittee oversee this gets thwarted by Ed Royce

Who's the chairman of the foreign affairs committee and he he says, we're just going to make this discussion a full committee topic, which means that Royce is going to get to call in the witnesses. Okay. So basically, Rowan, Rowan, Bob, Daina, Rowan, Bob, and Bob, it gets thwarted there. Bob, it's the Bob. Yes. And fun fact right here. So foreign lobbyist, Akmitshin, how do you say his name?

He's Vesunod Sky is homey. They're always going together. Oh, Akmitshin. Yeah, yeah. So, but Akmitshin. Yes. So, he registered as a lobbyist, but not as a foreign agent, but he was very involved in this process and essentially helping Roar and Bucketwood.

He's actually foreign. Yes. So we get mad at Americans for not registering as foreign agents when they are lobbying for Russians, but this guy's a fucking Russian. Let me fact check that actually. I'm hopeful, but that is around them. Yeah. Thank you.

We'll put a pin in it. But one of that guy's clients owns Prevazon, which is the company sued by Prit, right? Prit, Prit Bahara. Uh-huh. Prvazon, home. US Attorney of New York for using stolen money essentially to buy real estate.

Yeah, the $130 million tax fraud from Russia, which is what the magnet ski, the lawyer magnet ski was looking into when he was jailed and murdered. Yes, and then Trump gets in and then fires Barara, right? And then, well, a bunch of other, yeah, exactly, with a bunch of other people. And now, and then the guy that he replaces him with settles the case for $6 million, which is apparently like 50% of what they thought they were going to get out of that lawsuit. Okay, finishing up.

June 9th, 2016, Trump Tower meeting with DTJ Kushner Manifort. They talk about Russian adoption there in the Magnitsky Act. That's kind of well known now, and just for context. And then June 15th, 2016. Well, Robocker wasn't at that meeting. No, you're just putting that in context. Yeah, just for the timeline. June 15th, 2016, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who's just the context. Yeah, just for the timeline. June 15, 2016,

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who's a GOP colleague of Roarabacher, gets recorded saying in a meeting, quote unquote, this is crazy. There's two people I think Putin pays. Roarabacher and Trump. And then the recording cuts off as Paul Ryan fumbles to stop him from talking. It's how we know we're a family here. He was trying to make a joke. That's what they say. Yeah. We didn't root it in right now.

Yeah, the best joke. The brain of truth. Exactly. So then they say that it was just a joke. OK, two more dates. September 20th, 2016, Rohrabaka meets with Flynn in Washington. And in November 2017, NBC reports that the FBI was interviewing witnesses about the content

of this meeting. So that's something that I think we can look forward to. Spring of 2017, Rohrabaka cancels trip to Moscow because it'll be too hard to have a real conversation with all this bru-haha about Russia, he says. Wouldn't it be interesting if the reason that Muller knew about this meeting was that Flynn knew and Flynn's proper included it not the no-knock raid not gates is proper

But Flynn's that's weird. Yeah And then just to close that up a source who asked to be remain anonymous He was a senior house GOP aid because he's apparently not supposed to speak to reporters Says that it was not that he chose not as an accord to not go to that trip. It was because Royce, the chairman of that committee declined his request to travel to Moscow. Wow.

Probably because it's just a bad look, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, just wanted to just chill. Let's just lay back for a second. Because we know you're going to break the fucking law. Yeah. Side note, these old white people hardest fuck, like these crimes, these crimes are crazy cool.

It's pretty, yeah, white color crimes should have a tone show. Oh, it does, right? What's the best white color crime? You know white color doesn't have any other way. Fuck news. You're right. Good point, you're right, you're right. If I explained any of these crimes to like my Mexican family,

it's like, oh family. Oh, shit. We've just been selling crack. This is crazy. Oh my gosh. Oh, last thing. Sorry. Hima was Julian Assange in August of 2017. Oh, yeah.

Minor detail there. Yeah. He likes, he's buddies with Stone and WikiLeaks. Yeah. Where he says Assange said that the emails were not obtained at all through any sort of Russian influence. Oh. Okay, Ko Russian influence. Sure. Okay, Kozybear.

Okay. Wow, thanks so much, Jordan. Yes. That was great. Thank you, Soljice. I know, I love it. I'm going to talk a little bit about these indictments that went down, you guys. So on Thursday, like I said, I'm going to file an indictment of 32 felony counts of bank

fraud, tax evasion, and money laundering. The indictment outlined in really amazing detail, a two-part scheme that Manafort and Gates carried out. The first part of the scheme lasted from 2006 to 2015. And that's when Manafort and Gates earned like tens of millions of dollars working for that pro-Russian Ukrainian candidate, Yana Kovic, that guy was telling you about.

He's a Putin guy, Putin wanted him installed there so he could have control over Ukraine. The second part took place from 2015 to early 2017, maybe later. And that was the two of them lying like nine different times and falsifying documents to desperately get loans from banks because their Yanukovych money stopped because in 2014 Yanukovych was overthrown and he had to flee to guess where? Russia. And so he took off. So that money stopped. So all from 2015 and 2016 in part of 2017, Manafort engaged a running around like idiots trying to get anyone to lend them money, millions of dollars. And as I said, they were falsifying documents. That's the bank fraud to try to get loans.

Then in July of 2016, just after Manafort and Gates, then in July of 2016, just after Manafort and Gates worked for the Trump campaign, they got a $16 million loan from a tiny bank that usually lent, sorry, only loans to veterans and neither of them, Manaorder gates are veterans. And this loan, the $16 million loan represents a quarter of their entire income at that bank. But there's a guy there and his name is Cock. You worked at the bank and it appears that Maniforder, as I said earlier, promised him a job

in the Trump White House in exchange for the loan. Now, something that is important to note here is that Manafort was in a lot of debt to a Russian guy, to Russian interests, to the tune of about 17 million. Eight million of that was to a guy named Dara Poska. Do you guys, does that sound familiar? Not exactly. Ring a bell because we've talked about him before. He's the guy that Manafort promised campaign info briefs

to that we talked about during episode 14, the Shannon Woodward episode. So Daripaska will Trump owed him, sorry, Manafort owed him a shitload of money. And he's, him and McGates are scrambling around trying to get these loans all the while just getting the job at the Trump campaign. And right, because Daripaska sued Manafort in early 2016. And when Manafort got the job with Trump at the Trump campaign, he withdrew the case.

Daripaska withdrew the case. And now we have emails that are coming out in these indictments that are between Manafort and a guy, what's his name? Kalimnik. Okay, he's an intermediary between Derempaska and Manafort. Yeah. Manafort's emailing Kalimnik saying, hey, I work for the President's campaign now. Anything we can do to get even Steven's. promised Darapaska these campaign briefs on on Trump and that's with the Navalny tape member the Navalny tape I told you about about the yacht where somebody's got video of a of I think it's probably

kill a kill him Nick or Darapaska giving a Kremlin guy all the information that Maniford gave him. So this is just all super fucking shady, right? Like, and this is I think gonna be the glue, the connection, at least for this conspiracy part of it. Because there, I mean, we had Russians reaching out to the Trump campaign, reaching out to Flynn, reaching out to Kushner, through the NRA, all that stuff. But now we've got Manafort reaching out to a Kushner through the NRA, all that stuff. But now we've got Manafort reaching out to the Russians. He goes both ways.

Because he owes him a lot of money and he's trying to pay him back with information from the Trump campaign. And that's conjecture. But I think it seems pretty obvious to me with the Navalny tape and everything. Exactly. So they met August 2nd, 2016. Then in the Vanderzwon guilty plea from Tuesday, we learned that Gates referred to Vanders' one to Kalimnik. That's the intermediary between Manafort and

Darapaska that I was telling you about. And Manafort was briefing him, which is briefing Darapaska. And he's also person A in the Vander's one indictment. Remember I was like who's person A? Is it Kushner? Is it Manfred? Is it Donald Trump? Junior? No, it's Kalimnik. And so that's who that guy is. And Vander's one lied about having conversations with Gates where Gates referred Vander's one to Kalimnik in September 2016. That's what the Vander's one indictment is about. He lied about that. So, Kalimnik made references. Well, basically, Vanderswan had a phone conversation with Kalimnik in Russian, and Kalimnik made reference to payments that were just the, quote, tip of the iceberg, and potential legal liability for Manafort. Manafort seems to have been

trying to trade as influence, as I said said and position on the Trump campaign to pay off his debt to Dara Paskin. So what I was wondering is why does the O Dara Paskin money? Like did he steal it? Did he get a loan from it? Not paid back. I was also thinking maybe they were supposed to do work for him and didn't do it. Like maybe like mob style out there. Like maybe like maybe Yana Kovic was supposed to get elected. Okay, because they're already trading documents and information. So who knows how they've been operating before and like mob style out there, you had to be anything. Like maybe Yana Kovic was supposed to get elected. Okay, because they're already trading documents and information, so who knows how they've been operating before?

And Yana Kovic was not elected. He was overthrown and had to flee to Russia. So maybe, and maybe they got like a certain millions of dollars to get his elected. And when he didn't get elected, they came after him for it. I don't know. This is deep, dude.

I don't know, but anyway, Friday, Gates was charged with 23 new felonies in addition to the eight he had before. He replaced his legal team, hired a new lawyer, got the 31 charges dropped and pleaded guilty to two new charges, then signed a cooperation agreement with the government. So on February 1st, as I told you before, Gait slide about the FBI or to the FBI about that meeting in 2013 that he had with Manafort for European politicians to lobby to Yennecovich and Roorabacher was probably there. That day, well they say Congressman one, I'm pretty sure it was Roorabacher. Yeah, we can fill in the planes, yeah. So that day his three lawyers quit, I told you probably because he lied. The 23 new

abilities they charged him with were likely things they told him during the likely things that he told them during the proper meeting. Because as I said, when you lied during that plea negotiation, you're getting it because of way. So they had him dead to rights. His cooperation argument is nuts. When he signed, he signed a cooperation argument with the government. He has to testify anytime they want, anytime they want him to, to any grand jury. Oh my God. Testify at trials.

And the interesting thing about filing charges, muller file charges, these charges in the Eastern District of Virginia and the original charges in the DC court. And now they have to do two trials trials and they have to pay their lawyers twice as much. And so he's just... Oh, that's smart.

Fucking puttin' it to him, okay? So to cooperate, they've asked, they've told him he might have to go undercover and he'll have to do that. Oh, my God. Although, was he gonna wear like a weird wig? He's fucking gay somebody photoshop that please He has to hand over all documents and evidence and and he can't and he can't he's waived his right to have his legal team Present at any of this shit, okay, and if he

Doesn't do any of this stuff. He automatically goes to jail for the amount of time that his two charges would put him in jail for, which is four to seven years. And he goes immediately. And there is no parole in federal prison. Wow. That's beautiful. America. Beautiful.

Yes. I love it. Just it. So the court could give him nothing if he cooperates most excellently. They might give him probation or six months or whatever So Mueller is really gonna go after gates and his proffer seems to be very worthwhile to Mueller For to dismiss 31 charges. Mm-hmm. Could that they only brought those 31 charges to get him to flip

Could that so but could that something be the quid quote the quid pro quo between the Trump and Russia? Gates was there for all that. Okay. And he was there for that whole Manafort meeting Darapasca back and forth. And the other way, they're for the whole, yeah. They're so fun. He knows a lot.

So, all right guys, we've talked about the indictments. Do you guys have anything about the indictments you're wondering or any questions about them? I just think it's such a nice sign that he's, it seems like he's about the indictments. Do you guys have anything about the indictments you're wondering or any questions about them? I just think it's such a nice sign that it seems like he's strategically releasing indictments at this point just to get as much information as quickly as he can now from all these people. Yeah, yeah.

It's like if you're at the point where you can strategically release indictments, you're in a good spot. You're pacing yourself. Yeah, here's another thing that's really interesting too. When Gates lied during his proffer and then he got slapped with 23 new charges and then had to flip 23 new charges in another district, doubling his court fees and then flipped.

That's Mueller saying, don't fucking lie to me. Seriously, he's got to set that message straight. I feel like because he doesn't have to release any of that shit. Yeah. But he's like, Hey, you want to lie to me? You think I don't know everything? And that whole 13 Russian indictment thing, besides letting the country know and letting Trump know that Russian metal the elections to stop saying they didn't and do something about it for 2018. The detail he went into that, he knew everything about those Russians. Yeah, he knew their names He knew their fake names. He knew the names of the building. He knew their address

He knew emails that they sent back for him. He's so thorough. He says he genuinely loves the whole process of Investigating people but that message is like He has everything. He's the real deal. Do not lie to him. Yeah. It's it's incredible. He's the Dave Chappelle of investigations. I mean is that accurate? Who do we like? Who's our favorite comedian? Well, you talk about Dave Chappelle as a comic? Well, yeah, like I'm saying Mueller is like the bet. He is Trump's match. Trump has skated through his whole life getting around Who knows what and and Mueller is not about that life? He's so good. Sometimes he comes up with the punishment and then figures out the setup along the way. I love it.

You know what he does though? He has an in-game in mind when he sits down and interviews. Someone he knows the answer to every single question. I hate to be this guy's kid. Seriously, I was just thinking that. Like, where were you? I know where you were. But he's such a character. You were with Michael. Michael was wearing a blue shirt.

It was in this film. You know what though? His friend, like one of his long time friends that knew him, like back in college, said that it was the war that really changed him. Like, he was a very normal guy, like pretty happy, but like reasonable before that. And after the war when his friend died, he became this straight edge by the book. We got to do something about this country and you can see it today

73 years old and I think he's gonna die with a great legacy. I think yeah, definitely He may he may save this democracy. I believe it. You think he has one secret blue one just Guess what baby it's time for the blue I guess what baby it's time for the booth Monday All right you guys guess what it's time for the indictment fantasy league All right based on this week's indictments I have moved gates from the indictment category Which was a super he was in the super seating indictment category, so I get a point for that Hey

And I'm moving him into the plea deal category All right, so I've added a few names as well. I've added Dana Roerabacher. I think he's going down. I've added Thomas Barak. Okay. He's an old friend of Manafort and he was head of the inaugural committee for Trump. And it's interesting because in this, and this is totally a theory that I don't know, I just did some math and it just came to me. Yeah. And it's probably completely wrong. Now, Manafort and Gates laundered $75 million. Manafort kept $18 million, Gates kept $3 million.

That leaves about $50 million unaccounted for, which is about the amount of money that the inaugural fund is over. Oh, shit. However, if you think about it, they've been laundering that money since 2006. True. I don't know. You know what, A.G., that's got to be a big point right there.

Because that's a hell of a connection. I know. I heard 50 million and I remembered 50 million. It's got to be somewhere. Where is the money? Now I've got links to both of those articles in my show. I'm not going to, that would be a good one. Yeah, yeah.

So in Barack is old friends with Manafort. Manafort wrote a letter to Tom back in 2016, pitching himself for the Trump campaign. Barack sends emails to Trump all the time, like, you rock. They're totes BFFs. Yeah, and Trump like Mueller too before all of this. He was so weird. He was also close to Gates, so I think his time is coming. Wow I'm saying Barack. Mm-hmm. Okay. Thomas Barrett or Barack. Oh, I thought you were saying Barack Obama

I thought so too, and I was just like I didn't know this. I'm not gonna Thomas Brock. Okay, there we go. Thank you. Yeah, no the only thing like where Obama's getting a diet of for us for a bad motherfucker We're gonna ask if he was born here? No. Yeah, let me see your verses in the video. Everyone. Are we sure that Thomas Barak isn't just Barack Obama with a cool mustache? Oh, I'm not fucking mean by that.

You're already candidate. Please run, Tom Barak. I've also added Pearson and Pascal to the indictment link. Pearson and Pascal worked for America First Policies. That was a nonprofit that Gates worked for, before or after he left the Trump campaign. I can't remember which I think before. It's a pro-Trump nonprofit.

And it was responsible for the digital and data projects. Okay. So that's why I was like ding ding ding. All right. So Pearson and Pascal are Pascal. Because you pointed out the irony of it being called America first. Yes. Oh my god.

So Pearson and Pascal. And then I have a bunch of K Street dudes. K Street is the street where all the lobbying firms are. So I think that there's going to be a bunch of guys who man of four it worked with that didn't register as foreign agents that maybe lobbied for Russia or anyone. I mean Manafort, if Manafort flips, he would have to tell them everyone he knows that's broken the law and Gates might know some case street dudes too. So I think some, I got a bunch of case street dudes because I

had a bunch of Russians. And then I've got Euro dudes, a bunch of Euro dudes. I think there's three sealed indictments headed to the UK for the UK right now sitting on the docket. And I think there for these three guys that were at that Vandarsman Roarabokker Manifort meeting, Gates meeting that they all lied about. Why do I lie about that meeting? All I wonder. So anyway, so I got a bunch of Euro dudes on there too. So I think, and I think you guys, within a week or two, I think Kushner's going down.

Yeah. Kelly said by February 22nd, all people without clearance had to be out of the White House. Nice. And as you know, Kushner doesn't have clearance. So Trump in his CPAC speech, which was so gross, said he would leave it up to Kelly, but sort of hinted that Kelly had better let him stay

because of what an amazing job he's doing. So they will soon be at an impasse, especially when the phone call from Rosenstein came to the White House that we learned about. Kush can't get clearance. Likely duty was financial ties with sanctioned Russians and China on the 666 property. And possibly others. But a time will come when either has to remove Jared or fire Kelly over Kushner.

Are you saying there's a possibility he owns something other than the 666? Kushner properties and I think they have a lot of bills. Do you think he might own the 669? Oh, yeah. Okay. All you think he might own the 669? Oh, hey! The neighbor of the beast. So I think Kushner's going down and let's see, he's probably not with Russian conspiracy to start with. Probably just money stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Money laundering, bank fraud, tax evasion, violating sanctions, things like that, things like these gates and Manafort things aren't. Exactly. Because I think he's kind of keeping these over here because he doesn't want to get too much into conspiracy and obstruction because he doesn't want to show anybody what he's got. He's so smart. I'm not sure a muller won't release them in groups like that. He could mix it up. I don't know. We'll see. But you guys just time for this week's sabotage. Doods. The 12, the Dem Memo dropped. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. So that's. No. Yeah. Well, it's pretty much what we all thought it was gonna be It picks apart the Republic of memo piece by piece. Okay. It basically says no the judge did no

That the steel dossier was gotten through political opposition research The FISA warrants were not based solely on the steel dossier and then they listed all these other things they were based on. Right. They were saying that FBI would be remiss if they did not surveil Carter Page because he's such a fucking creepy dude. You know what I love if they like just took the letter of Nunez Membo and just like corrected the grammar and just sent it back. I would like, this is our memo.

Yeah. Or just sent back one memo that just asked her, is you are. That's the right thing. Yeah, so this, I put this down as the sabotage because it is the, it's the last minute news. And it occurred to me that maybe people didn't realize why I called this piece sabotage.

It was because this is news that comes out right before we record and it could throw, you know, throw us for a loop, throw us a wrench in a rest in our plans. Because there's a theory that the etymology of the word sabotage is from the industrial revolution when workers threw their wooden shoes called Sabot into the machines to break them down. But actually I think what it could also mean, and nature has been just proven,

is that when you wear a big giant wooden shoes, you give yourself away walking into a room. Fair enough, fair enough. Yes. You can't sneak around with those shoes. And you've done sabotage yourself. But. I just like yelling,

Sabotour. Yes, that's very good. That's very good. I like your inflections very much. You're the snobotour. Singing, it's very good. That's very good. I like your inflections very much. It's normal too. It's first thing something. My original sabotage, which came out minutes before that, was that I found out that Manifort has asset forfeiture clause in his fucking thing, in his indictment.

Is that mean he gives up his assets? Mueller is brutal. If Manifort is convicted, per the asset forfeiture clause in his indictment, he will have to hand over all of his real? Mueller is brutal. If Manafort is convicted, per the asset forfeiture clasenism, indictment, he will have to hand over all of his real estate to the government. And if it's sold or burned down, or otherwise diminished, or outside the jurisdiction of the court, Mueller can take some else instead

that he deems necessary. Wow. It's fucking insane, you guys. Take your dog. I'm sorry if I'm wrong. Doesn't Manafort also owe money to people still? Yes. Like he's in like dire streets financially to be in for.

He's f**king funny. I doubt the, I doubt the information he gave Darapasca was worth $8 million. Let's start at GoFundMe for Manafort. Just to see how much, because it might be like 14,000. I mean how much you can just indirectly give to me. Yeah, yeah. I want you to see comedically how much money people are willing to give.

Where is your empathy America? How poor are these rich people? They're in a lot of debt. Deezes. All right, we're going to go shit. And I have like a couple hundred dollars to think about this. I don't know, anyone shit.

All right, guys, we're're gonna go on to questions. We had some good questions this week. I took a poll on Twitter about whether or not Maniford will flip. 63% said yes, and 37% said no. Okay. What do you guys think? Oh, I think yes.

That's brilliant. Why would anyone give them to upper Trump? I don't think even his son would. I don't think, I don't think it's about Trump. Okay. What are you thinking? I don't think he'll flip. I don't think he'll either. I don't think even his son would. I don't think, I don't think it's about Trump. Okay. What do you think in? I don't think he'll flip. I don't think he'll really be there

because I think there's people outside of our country that are invested in him keeping their secrets. Exactly. So like if he flips, he dies. Exactly. He's not a dominant factor in thinking. No, I don't know if you know what happened to Yana Ković, or not Yana Ković, but the guy who was running

with Tamashenko. What happened, he was poison by Putin. Oh, so they're afraid of... They're afraid of Putin, not trying. I feel like that makes us be less surprised to see him get poisoned than I would be to see him flip. That is so true, damn. So I think he won't flip because I think he would rather spend the rest of his life in a White collar prison In an American prison as opposed to whatever Russia has yeah, and

Yeah, I didn't think about that at all. Yeah, he's so fucked Sad guys like that's depressing as fuck. Yeah, and and he I don't I don't know. I don't think he'll flip Yeah, he's behold you know what what I'm not depressed fuck that guy I'm just a press for the fact that Putin has a hold on this like more than we would like I would just hope that out of all this something happens to him funny you bring that up because at faux pro bot Also just goes my f on Twitter asked if Mueller can indict Putin. Oh asked if Muller can indict Putin. Oh, he can't. What?

It doesn't mean he will, but... He doesn't mean he'll come and sit trial. Yeah, I'm not gonna say that. He can do it all he wants. I'm not gonna make it different. He likes attention. He might show up. Well, I actually...

He's in on a paper. He's in on a paper. He's in on a paper. He's in on a paper. I actually think he will indict Putin. Just because I think he'll tie up all the time. Well, putting him on the fantasy indictment, like Putin officially... Oh, that's exciting. There we go. That's exciting. I mean, he's clearly broken some more. I'm not going to die Putin just because I think he'll tie up Well, putting him on the fantasy and diving like Putin officially

Oh, that's exciting. We go. That's exciting. I mean, he's clearly broken some more. You're right. You're right. He would have to have proof of it, but anyway. Kevin Barnes asked, what do you think the major reason is for Mueller to have talked to Vanderswan? Is it something that Gates said? Kevin and I also determined that Maddo's mighty neck is what holds up her huge brain. So that makes sense.

Maddo, I know. Are people shaving her for her? I don't know. I know. Last week, I was high and just listened to it. Yeah, but we love Maddo here. We were just shading, just kind of messing around. No, I was just wondering if somebody called her after having a thick neck.

No, she has a lizard person. She has a thin, elegant neck. I'm like very sexually attracted to Rachel. I feel. Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. The neck and the whole air neck. Yeah, yeah.

Really into the neck. My favorite part. My favorite part was when she was doing a story on who was at Nancy Pelosi that stood up for seven hours and did a speech in Congress. And she took off one of her Chuck Taylor's or her vans and she put it up on the desk with a ruler taped to the back of it to show what foreign heels looks like. So adorable. I know you're listening Rachel. So he said, what do you think the major reason is Mueller to talk? Why does he want to talk to Vanders? Because Vanders' one knows about that meeting. I think that either Gates or Flynn or told him about it.

And so he brought him in to ask him and he lied and he goes, no, I got emails and he's like, all right, I'll tell the truth. But I'm not cooperating. And that's why that went down. Laurie Malin, it might be Malin, and I had a discussion about how to say Bifalisha in Russian. Please let me have a photo. Well let's see. Vasodanya, Falisha. Falis... It sounded like...

Falisvania. Yes. Falisvania. Yeah, it was pretty good. It's on my phone. Oh. All right, so how to say B by Felicia in Russian. I have a dazvodanya Feliciav. Oh, I have There's there's a word called polka Felis Nikov and then polka Felis Nitskaya Polka Felis Nitskaya that's by Felicia I like that the Russians have an equivalent of Felicia. Yeah, very inclusive.

Yeah, yeah, they don't. They don't. They don't have like five or six names and then Mary and some of those five or six. Oh, that's true. Felicitz Nitskaya. It all sound like super villains, every single one. They do, yeah.

Shout out to Attim Hullian, who said, quote, I listen to a lot of podcasts, and this one is important to me, as it's one of the few podcasts. My wife and I discuss when we have time together. Oh, that's very sweet. But like you should also spend more time with you right here. Yeah, I think you can go to high-tech. I think they have jobs that keep in the park.

When I'm not keeping my wife locked up in the basement. We listen to Muller she really? To No Hampton at 5 Hampton 5 said quote you mentioned in episode 16 that there are three main areas of the investigation for Muller. What are they? Obvi Money Lundering and Taxivation are one but what are the others? And then she also said you you mentioned five pillars in three areas. What are those? So, within the money part, okay, so there's three areas of this investigation. And this is just what I've come up with in my head. This is how I keep things in order.

This is not official. I have the money, then I have obstruction, then I have conspiracy. Those are the big three. And in the money part, which is one of the three areas, there's five subsets. And that includes a pay for play, like the mysterious withdraws of money from shell companies by Russia. Those are the payments back and forth of Qud Prokho. That's one.

Tax evasion and fraud. Money laundering. Bank fraud and far ofof-violations. So those are the five parts of the one of the three pillars of the most-to-gashon in my head. This is, you can make a curriculum, like a textbook, a whole chapter, maybe like, maybe not a whole textbook.

A nice chapter on this. You could, after this whole thing is over. You're right. Quick question. Hey, it was, that was mine, I'm sorry. Sorry, so quick question. If somebody gets money from the Russians for something in this, like in this...

Conspiracy. Yeah. That's illegal money, right? Yeah, that's called an in-kind campaign donation from a foreign national and it's illegal. Yeah, so if they use that money to do something like use it in their real estate business or something like that, that's technically funding business

with illegal makes. Can't you do a RICO Act and go for a record here? Well, if they're funding the campaign, that's an in-kind donation. In any way, if they're funding real estate from illegally gotten money laundering, then yes, you're gonna go Rico. So we've got 18 different ways that these people can be.

As far as they go for racketeers. They might, if they have to. I haven't heard. Cause I know you don't wanna add on stuff, you can't prove because then something. They've probably had like backup plans that pump back up plans. We have, because you also got to realize

that Mueller is leaving some of these charges for Attorney General Schneiderman in New York. That's right, yeah. So that he can prosecute these estate crimes in case Donnie decides to pardon anybody. Right. So he might be saving some of these other like Rico and stuff like that for real estate in New York,

like maybe Kushner's 666 building. Right. For his stuff, because he, you know, I know that they've been working in parallel to decide what they're gonna do. And honestly, you guys, I sound like I know what I'm talking about, but there is, I am a tiny speck of dust in a sea of information

of what I have, what we do not know I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm make, I think you. I'll make a, sorry. It does. Damn, have you even heard a TV? No. I, that's a Jim Gaffergan bet that I have.

Oh, no, it's like that. You know, it's great about television? No reading. I have something. Somethings. So I, I just want to make it clear that, you know, I know these little bits of things that are publicly available. I try to put them all together into one delicious show. And then I will make theories based on these things. I try to

connect my own dog. Yeah, I like that. Delicious something burger. Deborah Feneros at Deborah Feneros on Twitter asked if the 13 Russian nationalists, can they be sanctioned? Will they be sanctioned or will they have their assets seized? Regarding forfeiture of assets, yes. In this indictment, just like in Man of Wards indictment, Mueller says if the Russians are convicted, the US will seize any assets obtained, using proceeds from the crimes. And if they can't, because the assets have been sold

or can't be found or outside the jurisdiction of the court, have been diminished or comengled with any other property that can't be divided, the court can seize any other property of the defendant. As far as being sanctioned, I don't think so. I think sanctioned is a function of the executive branch, the president, Treasury, it's the Department of Treasury, et cetera. So I would maybe think that if the DOJ sent this over

to the Treasury Department and said, you got automatically sanctioned these guys because they've been indicted in a United States federal court. I don't know what the how that works. But either way, likely nothing's gonna happen to any of these Russians, except they're not gonna be able to show their faces anywhere because if they do, they're gonna get extra-dited

and we have to face trust. We're just telling the story. We want people that just know what happened. That was a whole point. They called it talking indictment. Yeah. Let's see. Anyway, I guess that's the whole point. They called it talking indictment. Yeah. Let's see. Anyway, I guess that's the last question.

Wow. Thanks. Thanks, Deborah Feneros. Did I get everyone? Yeah, I got everybody. Wow. Thank you so much for engaging with us on social media. Keep the questions coming.

We do love them. All right, you guys. Any last thoughts here before we wrap it up? Can't wait for next week. Yes. It's just going to start. It's just gonna start, it's just gonna go nuts. I know, you guys make my commute so much for me. Oh, thank you.

Thank you. Eight, cult podcast. Yes, I get out guys. Gonna check out all the cult on the conscription. Cult podcast. Yes. And of course, Mourciro. All are pod being raw sisters.

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Sister gender. Sister gender fluid pod. Non binary pod cast. Unless you look at the coding, then it's very binary. There you go. Yeah, what do coders do about being non binary? Which bad thing they use? A bottle, a mountain dew bathroom.

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