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Episode Date: June 30, 2021

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hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review joined as always by my right hand man Garen how you doing but what's up family how is the weather in Venice California it's actually a little cloudy right now and I don't miss that. I can tell you one thing. I think about that too when it comes to the weather, like how influential that kind of is on life experience, just because I lived in Washington. You've lived all over the place. We've just lived in Washington for a year, gave me some perspective on how some other people lived, and just like, I like Joe always says, I'm spoiled by the weather now. I really am because people deal with that shit, crazy like raining all the time and the heat There's a lot of variables that can have some influence on your life experience to you know Yeah, too hot is just it's almost as bad as super cold and a lot of ways. It's like you can't it's like the day looks perfect

But you can't do anything You can't grow an up in Arizona. I kind of learn to embrace it. I mean, it's hard to embrace after it's 100. But you gotta always say, like, you're going from A.C. to A.C. We're very fortunate to have that as a luxury as Americans. And just first world problems, you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure.

All right, who we got this? We got the legendary Don Fry Fry from the early days of pride in the UFC Brett Weinstein and Dr. Pierre Corey and Oh the Clay Nuke and want I can't wait to talk about that guy. What about us? Want to Steve Rinales buddies? I think from me to I think we'll meet him at some point If we man fast that good clay you think so. Yeah, that'd be pretty dope absolutely. Yeah, I'd love to do a haunted trip with him Steven job in me Okay, yeah, right

He's if you like who these fucking All right, so Dawn Fry Fry so legendary in the early fight game for UFC some really some of the most epic battles what I loved about this guy is when I was younger watching him fight I lived in England then and when I got over to the US in 97 he was still fighting but like he was just the epitome of like an American dude Yeah, like how I imagined like with his Just just beast mode is mustache his like American flag like tiny shorts Just a tank of a man and God did he look terrifying. That's right.

Just I'm trying to think about who my guy would be for the UK like Austin Powers. It doesn't say much right? I mean I don't know. I just don't really have like a frame of reference. I don't really know. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Is that like that's the guy? Mondo yeah, he just looked like a superhero. He honestly did like just look like a superhero if you go back

Watch some of his old fights like I recently watched the Tank Abbott fight tank was just a beast of a moon and watching those two together. I mean by the tank was just a beast of a moon and watching those two together. I mean, just the power of punching and like the early days of the UFC. It was so different than today. Yeah, it's so much more like street fight. Street brawls in an octagon. Yeah, it's kind of like you know, bar, bar find. find the right way for an end and sidebar would what drew you to mix martial arts or like what kind of about that passion. Well, my brother and I used to watch Jackie Chan movies as a kid. Like when I were like in the 80s, like we were obsessed and we were always like kicking and watching that.

And brawl that's what we demand brother. We watched TV and the turtles and brawl that's what we demand brother we watched too and then you turtle thing going on with that. Well that too, that too. But like I think it was Jackie Chan that like really got me into it. Later I got really obsessed with Bruce Lee movies and then we started doing karate like real young and my brother was actually really good. He was just more athletic than I was and would like win tournaments. There was a moot and I can't remember what it was called but it was like about these five

bad ass dudes that put together like American team and then like went over to like China or somewhere I have to level up. I can't remember but I remember what we would watch that. Oh dude if you're talking about the movie sidekick I'm never no no no no sidekick it was It was no, no, no, it was but we would watch it I mean it's so jacked I can picture the dudes face right now is the guy that was one of the guys That was in one of the Sean Clawman damn movies like Yeah, also the Van Damo is dude back in the day watch one come on watch one of those movies and you're like

Let's get out and back here and get each other up Yeah, if kickboxing doesn't get you pumped like a regional kickboxer like Drop and unreal. I'll never forget him like fucking hold his breath under that water And then like I can't remember what he would do like somehow they would do this ab workout where they would just like take him in stomach super hard I can't remember exactly but oh when they drop in coke oh yeah yeah coke and that's what I was coke and I said yeah they have those like they drop in coke and then they like tie a t-bone to his back and then like have fucking animals chase dogs Jason yeah I don't know if all those trading methods are all that effective

I mean I would I'd call borsher on some of them, but they Cinematically they were you know, you know, they got your pumped you like yeah, I'd love to fucking run away from That's all my stomach Depends on how they drop them from Also, I'd worry about the missing of like smashing the nuts Like come on now. I don't care how tough you are you're not taking a coconut to the nuts is one thing thing about your fucking face the money maker, but That's true Yeah, if you had the choice where would you take a coconut nut or face? I don't like those

For sure but the big thing about like the old those old fights and especially when USC came around and obviously Joe talks about it Like everyone that's in the early UFC does it's it's fact that, you know, Huis Gracie came along. He triangles Dan Severin, who's another beast of a man, just like giant wrestler like Don Fry. And he's just this skinny little dude in a gui, beating everyone. And it just, it was like the, or it like it could have been a movie.

It really was like the karate kid, you know? You've got like the nerdy kid that's whatever against these like tough cobra kai guys Probably the first any just learns a move that kicks him out That's the first that's even though that crane kick is the stupidest thing That's probably the first movie if we're gonna go back to the origin come back to that. That's probably karate kit was The war yeah, that was pretty good. Wax on. I was dope. Back in the day.

That was the shit. That was. They were a lot of good ones actually in the 80s like that. They did a good job with those movies for sure. But I mean, it was just the time and that's why I come the 90s when they start putting these fights together. It's, and you know, these guys are real warriors. Like Don says that he has this fantasy of coming back and fighting Francis and Ghana

Yeah, and he's like fucking 50. I don't think that now. I would say 0% chance that ever happens But it's not he's not talking about his body. He's talking about his mind like he's just he's just that much of a warrior Like he misses come to that warrior mindset that much of a warrior like he misses combat. Do that warrior mindset. It just doesn't go away. I mean, some people who come to complacent after money gets involved, but I think that warrior instinctive,

if that's where really would drove you from the jump, that never goes away. It's just a shame to like hear like the physical pain that he was in, how he got addicted to pills because like so many of these fighters just get in that cycle of training injury and then those like opioid pills and then they're fighting on it.

And like, it's just such a shame back then. They didn't have the kind of knowledge of rehab and, and you know, and like, I'm sure now with like fighters today they're way more careful about what sorts of pain pills they get on because of these poor guys that got so addicted. I mean even chocolate Dell had like a bad problem. I mean I don't know if you've ever taken anything like that but it's it's when you train real hard and I go to imagine I've only trained hard and I've like had the I it's not like I've ever really been super hurt but you can see how quickly that's a slippery slope to go down I can tell you that like if you ever try those

drugs there they fuck with your brain chemistry they fuck with everything that's there's no yeah they they I think I took some something once there was like a powerful painkiller that it just made me feel really stupid Yeah, and I didn't like it But I could see if you were in a lot of pain you probably wouldn't give a shit You just want that pain You're gonna separate from that pain. I mean I yeah, just for a minute give yourself a bit of a break And then of course you get addicted to them Because you want that to stay away.

Fuckin' night, right? Yeah It's perpetuating cycle when you get locked in on some like that, which is unhealthy for everybody. I was really unaware that back in the Pride days, so Pride was the fighting organization. It really was at one time a lot bigger than the UFC. Not really in this country, but like in the rest of the world, Japan, and they had like 80,000 people capacity

stadiums watching the fight. Those look those those are I had no idea they got that big. That's like straight up like Greco wrote. That's a football. Yeah well a football game but that that's like a gladiator fight more or less into something to think correct. In a way I mean the Romans didn't have stadiums that big the Colosseum couldn't hold down many people.

No. I mean no the Colosseum isn't the size of a football stadium. It's pretty big. It's 8,000 people. Dude yeah it's like for one and I don't even know if they had giant televisions back there and so what the hell are you watching when you're in the nose bleeds section like you can't see shit. It's true.

You're probably- It's just dudes up there drunk fighting each other. Just being in the fucking stands. Did you see- Yeah just listening to the roar of that crowd. I mean- Did I send you that video of the- I'm a big suns fan, Phoenix Suns and sex by the way but um there was a- there was a fight in the stadium. You would have- I'll send it to you, you got to watch it.

But it was like in Phoenix's stadium and this dude from behind, like tries to suck her punching eye from the lower like lower seating area and the dude turns around and just clanks him in the mouth, points his buddy and he goes, oh, you want one, two? Clanks is buddy. It still has the other dude with his left hand in his arm and just uppercuts the piss out of him. And the Devon Booker are all Starpoint guard sends him a sign jersey and tickets to the rest of the fucking series. Oh, that's dope. Well, you know, don't mess with someone to know as a father. Oh, dude, you don't know how to play.

That's an important lesson for those kids. Oh, 100%. You could see it all from the, they have everything on tape and those buildings. So it's like, you would see it from a distance to do, like, think that he was just going to get this guy from behind. And he's like, oh, you just swung at me?

Game over. How? It was bad. I mean mean it was badness. Yeah, and like you just said You probably taught that guy a life lesson. Maybe don't do dumb shit like that from now on Yeah chill out just a game Like this rarely fights in the crowds of UFC's, you know, it says something right It's like yeah, I've seen enough violence. I don't need to prepare like we're all here Just have a good time. I was watching small Anderson's silver stuff recently to do that guy was beast I mean you're you're talking to the boxing. I did that. I have stuff yet to see that but the His early UFC stuff was just made like

Dude, yeah, he's something else. It doesn't even make sense what his early fights were like talking about like other legends Frank Shamrock so Ken Shamrock was big back in the day in the UFC Frank was too I think he won about at one point But he was Don's trainer for a while and I didn't know that I didn't know that Don was training in the Lions Then which is what Frank and Ken's school was called but but what's really cool is one day when you and I working at Deans in Santa Monica Frank came in and I served him and I got a chance to chat with him and it was pretty awesome. Yeah I talked to him about his Nick Diaz fight and just like other things like about Kenny. He was a super nice guy really, but what a like absolute legend when it comes to like just early days, you know, it was

the Wild West of like what fight promotion is going to be big, how the fights are going, what the rules are, like shit was changing all the time. Do you like this? Really very cool. What are your thoughts on this new YouTube kind of culture fighting thing that's kind of emerged as of it. Oh Well, they're just like putting famous people. It's kind of entertaining. Like they've got a big Instagram following and then dude I don't give a fuck. I think it's so done. I don't they're not good fighters. They're not good fighters So it's just like why the fuck are we watching? I still like watching who we're gonna knock out that deserve it though.

Yeah, but to me it's like it would be like if you're a really big like fan of the NBA and now you're watching the celebrity basketball game they do and it's like okay it's kind of I guess cool to see certain people but mostly if anything I just want to see people like Logan Paul get knocked out You have a different perspective because you have a frame of reference on what training is and what goes into it the whole backstory, but it's like just a yeah I mean, I I just want to see the very best In that discipline compete against each other to me me, it's just like throwing in random

nobody's to do the same thing. It's like, well, I can watch that at any older MMA gym. You ever, they're just not famous. You ever boxed anybody with like gloves on and trying to go three rounds? Only like training spawns. I mean, I've done that one jiu-jitsu fastly that you and I was pretty tiring, but boy, I'll tell you what, you put some fucking gloves on, and you have to hold your hands up above your face for three minutes, and not trying.

It isn't an exhausting fucking journey. Boxing is not easy, man. It takes a long time to get good at that sport. I am certainly not a good boxer. I'll never forget we would be able to have to. It takes a long time to get good at that sport. I'm certainly not a good boat. I'll never forget. We had a half day. It takes a lot of time. We had a half day in high school one time and I remember talking shit to this kid. I was like I'll beat you up. I was like I scored in my house. I remember going to my mom's like two bedroom apartment and we had like ten people sitting on the couch and me and this kid air. I won't say his last thing but we both threw on the gloves and I'll never forget.

I had never boxed before in my life and I was like I just was doing what I thought, but I'd seen I go literally the first punch. I just directly shot him, ran into nose, nose started gushing blood all over my mom's carpet. In 10th moment, and everybody was like oh my god. And I was like I was always the smallest kid always. I was 4 or 11 until my junior my god and I was like I Was always the smallest kid always I was 4 or 11 till my junior year So I was like I was always trying to like Prove myself to some extent. So I was like that moment was a moment in time that I was not forget There was an important moment when you got to pass someone in the nose It's like oh, I saw that on TV bow. This fucking this fucking nose just literally just was like a river of blood That came out of his nose and I was like alright, that was that felt pretty good. Whoops

Yeah, let's take a break. Let's clean up All right, let's jump over to the Brett Weinstein doctor Corey one. This is Yeah, this is a thick one. I mean it's important because Like this is one of those rally the troops ones like they got a hold of Joe They were like some shit's going down. This is really important You know Joe probably may I mean that's why you had so many pods this week is because you have to throw this one on top of it This one's a vital one, but it's yeah, it's big because of the all the YouTube fuckery I mean all those censorship and like censoring data that might be important.

You know, it's not good. And it's pretty much what I, you know, we got to get to the bottom. I'm glad that they brought it up because it's kind of what I think we both thought this whole time. That's nice to hear somebody else kind of validate what the fuck we've been saying and believing what whether or not. It's just a weird we didn't know or believe shit we were already listening to these people this is why we knew and no one but we did have a sneaky suspicion that there was some fuckery going on and it's nice to have people that are as intelligent as these two I mean that doctor is like who could know more

about how this is spread and what medications work and the actual information that surrounds this other than that guy? I just read a new thing. The news comes out here from all angles and like a huge dose. And we're not saying you get it, but I just read somebody's like Instagram feed that said, the reason I said that we should put the mask back on is because it's a new strain and this that and the other and I'm like, I doesn't matter what happens now at all. I'm under the understanding that humans have to write to choose what they want to do and to think that

anybody has the ability to shut down things or walk down things in a free market society is fucking nonsense. I don't care what's... Well, the bigger question there is, if they're saying now, which they mostly are that the masks don't really work, why the fuck will we do it again? Ever.

Like, we'll never do that again. We've got to stop playing that game. We just do the shit that's actually works. Like, like inside, being inside with a lot of people with the windows closed, not good. Okay. We can all agree on that. And if that's the rule, then we make that. That's something like what? But you know, or open all the windows, or create all the outside space. I mean, the sounds the day we go back to arresting surfers. Thank you. That's

ridiculous. You're surfing. When they did that for the first time in, in, I think it was down in Venice. Remember when we heard that that surfer got arrested? I was like, this is this is gone to a new place. This is gone to a place where nobody's making logical decisions at all. I didn't trust him at all after that. I was like, okay, this is impossible. It's like being in school when your teacher makes that stupid role. This is fucking bullshit.

What are you talking about? It's weird things. It's so weird that what a year is brainwashing with you to people. I still have all my back at house people are all wearing masks still but I think it's under the fear factor that they they they're doing everything in their power to not lose their job again because they saw how detrimental it was to their life and their family I'm sure so they're like right that's probably just in the back of their head like a survival mechanism like as long as I go along and play the game.

Yeah, well, you know, I went into the to see my therapist, though, and you go into like a health care institution and for like 15 feet, while I walk through reception, I have to have a mask on and I forgot to take it, so they have ones that they hand out and it's just like, it, it, I don't know, I don't even know how I perceive it. I just see it as like this thing you've got it. It's like you need to wear this hat. I'm walking through reception. I'm like, okay, wear that hat. He is my man. It feels like I'm acting to like appease somebody. It's another human being. It's weird. and I did it. It's so weird how different people's perceptions are, because I deal with people at the bar. It's obviously a different conversation since we've been shut down here in LA. It's happy to have people sitting at the bar now.

I don't know if there's some normal conversation about it. It's so nice not to have this to have the other. And I'm not being critical of anybody that's vaccinated. If you think that's the right way, then go ahead. And I'm not the entire either, but I just never. Sounds like you're anti-bacter. I never got flu bags. I just, if you listen or yeah, the chance I'm still

on the don't clear shit train, that train hasn't left the station. So, but it's interesting to see how confident people are in the, in this thing to Brett and the doctor. It's like hearing something, like people get vaccinated. Like I watch people walk It's up walk up to each other at tables and you get the vaccine like yeah, I got the backs Like what'd you get and it's like you're in the in crowd if you get the thing and I'm like I just don't play around with those rules or that game

Like I just don't have an apple dude You know, it's weird and this this isn't based on any actual science or anything This is just my dumbass noticing something but since I got the vaccine that I had like awful side effects from that the night of they were awful and I never get sick never not even cold like when I say never I mean it was like you're probably like three and a half years ago I had took like two days off work because I was like feeling pretty under the weather and but I mean it's so rare for me to get like properly sick. Dude, I'm pretty sure and that it was only about a month ago. I got the vaccine. What a joke. Dude, I'm pretty sure I've been sick like twice since then.

What's your, what's your old eating at bats? I'm not sure what you're over to get back. And was it free? Oh, it was, no, it was because I couldn't meet my therapist in person. We had to do it over the Zoom thing. So she just got our office and I was like, you know what? I kind of needed an excuse to go and get it anyway. I wasn't putting it off and I wasn't really against it. I just was like, I'll do it when I do it.

Is it free? And yeah, it was free. I've never had any intention and that's another thing that I'm interested in. Who's making the money? Because it seems like after listening to it then too I can't remember the name of that drug that they were talking about, how... Oh, I even metron. I metron.

The Antiviral drug? Yeah, but I think it's... But it wasn't like, it wasn't sexy and it wasn't like expensive it was relatively inexpensive so when it comes the way I heard them well I think it's because they couldn't pat in it right so it was like they couldn't make the That's, that's a conspiracy that sounds pretty legit, doesn't it? That's scary stuff. Pretty legit. And the big thing was when Brett was talking about it.

And look, love or hate that guy. And I think it is easy because he's so confrontational. But that's because he believes he's confident, so strongly. Well, he just, he just well, he just he just sees He works through the data and then once he understands what is in front of him He picks what he knows to be true and just kind of follows that even if everyone's gonna hate him for Which for right or wrong you've got to give him some credit. I appreciate that way more than trying to appease the masses.

I appreciate that kind of behavior way more. They're not falls in my way. Yeah, it falls in my way. If they fall in my way, gogins, jaco, Jordan Peterson, everybody we fucking kind of like attribute a lot of our life to is a falls right in line with that kind of same behavior. Brett, it's definitely a strong move. And in if he is wrong later, I think he's willing to come back

and say, yeah, I was wrong. I didn't have all the data and blah, blah, blah. Like, he just seems like that. But when he said what it really looks like to me is that because Ivan Mechtren existed and was a viable alternative that by saying they had that and acknowledging it They weren't able to like pull this emergency funding and like

creation of this vaccine which hey look maybe conspiracies aside Maybe that's actually like just a problem that politicians run up against and they're like shit We need to actually get this all sorted. But to think that a lot of people may have died because they didn't roll out a drug that they knew worked while waiting for a vaccine to get made and, hey, good, make the vaccine too, but also give us the other thing that works, especially to the old and sick. And it's heartbreaking, and it's heartbreaking that there's a system that we have that we all live in that works like that.

Fucking sucks. And then there's YouTube and other things for right or wrong, whether it's a conspiracy or just because they have to pick a side and go for it, like maybe they think they're doing the right thing, but the fact that they would be cutting these guys videos out that may have really important information about this whole problem. Yeah, it's not good, right? That's not good. I couldn't agree more. I don't think we should censor anybody. It is interesting how much like in hindsight we should sense a you on like seven plus white clothes. Seems reasonable. That seems very reasonable. But like this the fact that they've shut down Trump like I'm thinking about this time last year or this time whenever whenever

Trump was like on the spotlight and it was like all social media it was all viral clips about whatever he said. It's interesting having him not even be a part of our culture anymore a year later. Yeah, well, he's, I think he's still a big part of the South though. Yeah. We just don't hear about it too much. Like in Montana, you don't really, I'm sure you don't in Venice, but yeah, in the South, he still has a lot of momentum behind him. Like, people are upset about the selection, yeah. They're fucking pissed, man. has a lot of momentum behind him. Like people are upset about the selection. Yeah, they're fucking pissed, man.

They're like, it got stolen. There's bullshit. I mean, I don't think you should be saying that. I'm going to use this in 20 bucks. The stats on that, that stats on that drug, like one thing they said, you'd only need 70% of the people taking either the mech drum. I think that's how you say it. I can't remember.

For it to mostly clear up. So like 30% could not take it. So like if you think about people now that are kind of wary of taking the vaccine, like you don't necessarily want to, there's a lot of people that are like, fuck that vaccine. 100% not. Well with this drug, not everybody would need to take it.

And it still would be super effective. But you know, so it's just a real shame that we already had a medication that could have worked. And to be honest, this was the first I'd heard. Dude, hearing you say this, I don't follow. I don't know. And you say this and then hearing the backlash that came from like the idea that I would just go get sick to avoid getting sick seems like a fucking weird paradigm. First of all, second of all, it's interesting that they could, but they were saying that they said some about not giving it to kids too, right?

Because kids could, they have, yeah, they're pretty much now saying not kids and pregnant women don't give it to them. So the two, but you know, to be fair, pregnant women can't have a lot of shit. They can't even eat sushi. So it's like they're just sensitive. It doesn't necessarily mean the vaccines like really bad for you. They're just being cautious and kids are not really in the, you know, the danger category. So it makes sense that they would say, well, yeah, they just have it on the opportunity to develop their immune system to the point. Is that accurate?

Yeah, and I think also young kids, depending on how they're young, they are, they're more susceptible to side effects that could be long term. You know, it's like mercury higher mercury levels in like younger kids that are developing It can fuck with them, you know led poisoning for example when they used to have lead pipes back in the day would affect children worse and pregnant women because You know the babies would get fucked up and the kids yeah,, and the kids there IQ would be damaged on it, but adults have like, I think it's like to do with a blood brain barrier. There's like some protection that's harder to kind of poison us as we get older. To some degree. Anyway, but yeah, I mean, the fact that this doctor would say that he thought that data and science wins, I always thought that too and

we're kind of in the age Now where that isn't it's like how it seemed politically Reception is more than how it's yeah perception is key what team are you on and? Right, it's all divide. That's terrifying to think that and like you said It's all devised that's terrifying to think that and like you said You'd all appreciate you believing whatever you believe in as long as you can appreciate the fact that if you come back and have a new Shit comes the light you can adjust your opinion in your thought process. I'm okay with that. I think we said that too It's like even in Donald Trump even in Donald Trump would have vocally said that We knew this didn't know that

Now this is what we know when moving forward, we're all in this together. That's figured out. Yeah. How would that have changed the fucking narrative? I mean, look, he was, he was a crazy and brash and, and, you know, shock shock. He was hard to like for a lot of people. I get it, but it doesn't mean everything he would have said could be wrong have that that can't be possible not everything Biden said can be wrong no one like so both of them are gonna say some things that are useful and and and that's when it comes to like saving lives we should probably just figure out what's the best for everybody fuck like that

that was the that's where it came from it's it what can you imagine if a president said I'm just trying to do what's best for everybody I'm gonna make some mistakes I'm gonna fuck up here and there I just I just want oh be so refreshing that would be the rock when the rock becomes president here you know what I mean like that's all we want once his Instagram reaches a billion people all we want is some human voting is online Yeah, I one day I hope one day it I think that I mean hopefully that I mean our listeners Joe's listeners I mean I think there's a lot of free thinkers out there, so it's like I hope that

That tends at trends in that direction. Because that's what's what's going to. Yeah. And you know what? If you listen to this now and you're sick of these fucking COVID talks, believe me, I fucking I can't wait for the day we can just focus back on whatever the guest is and whatever they know. Like I don't. I will probably always going to bang on about the fear of censorship online because I think it's gonna continue and get worse and There's reasons why I

Never be able to have video on YouTube or do any of that stuff where like oftentimes podcasts will do that because you can double your viewership I just never want to mess with that idea. I never want to think for a second that I have to say something one way. Like it's even a little difficult, well, it was back in the day, listening to Joe when he'd want to put up a song or a bit of a video from somewhere else, but it would like, they would take him down so they wouldn't do it.

It's like, it never used to be like that on Joe's show. I understand why he has to do it because he makes so much money from these other areas. Like I get it. But I just remember first hearing that thinking, you know, that's a shame. That's not a good month. He should be able to just play anything he wants.

It's a conversation. Not a business model from like a user perspective. Yeah, well that's why he went to Spotify. I don't think Spotify gives a conversation. Not a business model from a user perspective. Yeah, well that's why he went to Spotify. I don't think Spotify gives a shit what he does. I think the more you push back, the more I appreciate that person. But I see it. I give it. Yeah.

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on my hunts, this season, maybe I'll run into him. Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, Bear, hunts this this is maybe I'll run into him there there's there's there's there's dude I'll tell you what one thing the first thing is I was having a real hard time with this episode in the ads he must have Joe had like 10 ads on that and I don't know I run as many ads you want man I want him to make as much money as possible I love that show but with with the way that they load on Spotify Spotify yeah it wasn't like loading the episode to make as much money as possible. I love that show. But with the way that they load on Spotify, yeah, it wasn't like loading the episode.

Like even if I chose to like skip them, trying to get ahead and then it wouldn't load the episode. And then when I closed the whole thing down, I was like, all right, I just let the ads play out and because I've got to hear the damn episode and it still wouldn't fucking play it. Are you having any issues with Spotify? I'm not, now that you mention it. I don't actually get ads on my phone. I listen to it on my phone and I'm like now I can just dismiss but on the computer I have to I can fast forward through each ad.

So I just when I hear brought to you I just obviously skip to the end. Maybe it's like the Bluetooth in my car. I'm talking chip for no reason. Something's getting fucked up. I just thought I'd say that. Yeah, that's a big fat stuff. I didn't experience that on the Clay one, but what a fucking stud. I love the way he, he single handedly,

I listened to the Steve one too, but hearing those two talk about just like the appreciation of barons and like, I don't know, I'm into that woo-woo stuff. Keep talking for a second. I gotta take a piss. No, well they would just talk about different realities and different ways that they would perceive the barhunts and the way they discuss bears and it's like, I don't want to say like trophy kind of way, they would just talk about it like it was

ceremonial to kill a bear more or less and there's certain things you don't do, like there's like an enduro on a lot of like like old culture and whatnot so it was very interesting to just I think everything has a soul is what I drew on that like and I it's I'm hesitant I don't I don't necessarily dislike I don't want to say I don't want to kill a fly but I have the idea that everything has energy and everything has a soul and that kind of just reaffirmed it a lot of ways. Well, not to sound too much like a hippie, but I think it probably doesn't hurt to show some respect and honor

anything that you kill. I mean, I don't know if you need to do it with a mosquito or a fly, but like it doesn't hurt to think about it that way, like just for a second, you know, like those rules that he was saying, like you don't point at the bed, you don't, like you say a cryptic story. So when you get back to base camp, so the bed doesn't know you know where it is. And you don't sleep 24 hours after. For something like that too. Yeah, and when you get one and you're eating it, you honor it like a funeral.

And you don't put the bear hide in the... Well, drag a bear. Like saying that you don't drag a bear. That's it, yeah, you don't drag it. And what was the other one? You cut it's eyes. Oh, yeah, that's a fucking weird, there. That's it, yeah, you don't drag it. And what was the other one? You cut it's eyes. Oh, yeah, that's fucking weird. That's like some weird.

Dude, it's just like that. But that's got to be some old school, ceremonial Native American shit. I mean, there's some thought process. It just shows a lot of respect to the animal in some way. It's like, you are not taking this creature for granted. And if you're gonna hunt a bear, you shouldn't. I think that's a fucking cool thing to do.

It's a... I don't know, man. I mean, I'm all about bow hunting and I shot my first bow when I was like 17. Like, this is back in like 1999, I think. think I mean and I've always loved the idea I've gone on a few Elk hunts and I just don't know if I could hunt a bear. Why do you say that? It's just something about I don't know it's just like I it's a fucking bear bro I don't

want to kill a bear look. I'm not against it I think it's dope that this clay guy has the respect that he has for it and goes and does it I'm glad people do because the numbers would be out of control. I'm just saying personally I Just see them a bit different I guess than maybe an elk or maybe because I've already eaten a lot of elk meat and and I don't know. It just seems different to me like hunting a bag. Is there any animal that you would have like a my girls my girls of

vegetarian she tries to be vegan but she literally doesn't do it from like animal standpoint she did she her thought process is more like she's tried to explain it to me on a handful of occasions and we butt heads about it from time to time but it's like she's doing it from a logic standpoint like that's how I've kind of attributed it like that's where she draws on that it's that we weren't supposed to kill things with that whereas with that it's supposed to be vegetables because that's what grows it's an interesting perspective but it's it comes from a place of it's a it's an interesting way to she's like I'm not trying to do this for like any.

I don't know like shaming anybody for what they're doing she's like a customer natural and she does just what makes the most sense. Well, you look I I Appreciate anybody's take on it, you know, I mean number one eat healthy However you do it and that sounds healthy and then you know I don't give anyone else a hard time for how they I guess I do if they eat Fucking dodged your food all the time, but more more so to me if they're like out of shape Depressed and like feel like crap all the time, I might be like, well dude, all you eat is fast food. So I attribute it more than like, I'm not trying to shame them as much as just be like, maybe cut that shit out. It's clear.

But yeah, if you choose to just only eat fucking, you know, you go on the all egg diet it could sound odd to me and it might be something I don't want to do but I'm like hey if it works for you and you feel good and you're not giving anyone else shit about what they think that's fine about that from like a conscious like we are all I want to do is eat embryos that haven't been born yet among the egg guy. Yeah, right. God imagine imagine the thoughts It eggs are probably the weirdest thing we eat right if you really think about it Just amping the chance to live yet. We're like, oh, that's a good for you. Yeah, it chickens Chicken's Yeah, that's a little bit better than the thing about that one. I didn't I did not even know that That's crazy. We'll think about yeah, it's right you were the vegetarians eat them

They're actually eating like the strangest thing It's a big vegetarian like I only legs I only I only babies that are not born yet Yeah, that's it that in carrots. You're like all right bro. Cool. As long as you're not giving me a time Fine, all right. I'm gonna shoot a bear. I don't get it. It was funny. It was funny that he's from the Ozarks or lives there Did you wash the show the Ozarks? Oh? Yeah, don't you brought up the Ozarks? I was like with all due respect to play. I love him, but he's an Ozark guy Yeah, he could have been sure well Well, that's that's why I don't think he wants to show all like kind of dislikes it because he doesn't want he literally could have been on the show.

Like he literally could have been on the show. Yeah, no doubt. But I can't wait for the next season. Oh, fun fact that he threw out trigonosis. Now this was an interesting one. So he said the trigonosis dies instantly at 144 degrees, but you know the FDA always tells us like 165 for cooking poor like generally and You know which makes sense like you should make it 20 degrees harder because morons are gonna forget to take the temperature right in the middle and they might guess

So explain explain explain to our listeners what trigonosis is to this one more time so we oh I think it's a parasite I don't even know yeah I'm pretty sure it's a parasite that it's in oftentimes in pork and can really fuck you up but there's not a lot of cases of uh it as far as I know, just generally. So it's like pretty rare. Let me see. Trigonosis is food-borne disease caused by a microscopic parasite called triccanella, or

like steve renella. People can get this disease by eating raw uncooked meats from animals infected with parasites. So it's such as bear, wild game blah blah blah but what's my point to that and why it's interesting is like you know 144 degrees is not super hot really so so it's like okay so it's not quite you know you don't need to like incinerate all your pork in order to be healthy like you can eat it like a bit differently. Think about how they do it, but. And I didn't really want to eat bacon raw,

not that I'm thinking about it. Sometimes I do it. He will, no, that's a bad idea. Sometimes I do like that, not all the way cook bacon or to be honest, I don't like it, but the crispy, I can only eat soft from the time. Well, but it definitely got hotter than that, because it's so thin. Yeah, you don't need to worry about bacon so much when it comes to cooking it. Just don't eat it raw. When I was a kid, I grew up vegetarian. So the first 14 years of my life, I was a vegetarian. And my uncle used to come stay with us sometimes and he ate meat. And he would have meat in the fridge while I'm I'm a little kid and I've never had a chance

to eat meat before, so I'd try and get in the fridge and sneak it, like, ooh, I'm looking at meat. And one time I made a sandwich, like I got some bread, I got some of the meat out of the fridge, and I run outside and I'm talking to my friend, and I'm like, yeah, I'm just having a meat sandwich like for what was cool, I was like five, I didn't know what I was doing.

My body leans over and he goes, dude, that's bacon. You got a cook that and I'm just I didn't know I thought it was like ham something to meet sandwich. I was so embarrassed. I was like dammit What cool and I'm an idiot. It's funny that you're I wonder if your mind. I mean It's interesting because I'm I'm thinking about my girl and I'm thinking about you like is there like a desire To have the meat like in some kind of DNA thing? But it's like, I don't know if that just just... Dude, it just came to this. I moved to the United States.

I lived in New Mexico, and there were no vegetarian restaurants in Iran. So was he just slowly stuffed the death or just start eating meat? And I just went, hmm, stays. Never looked around. There's no vegetarian restaurants in New Mexico. That's gonna be weird though. That story probably is not like... Mmm stays never around That's gonna be weird though that story probably is not like Very relatable to a lot of people that need vegetarian for 14 years just based on probably what your mom and dad told you It wasn't just that we didn't have any junk food ever Nothing I used to go over my friends houses and they'd have like pop tarts

They'd have loads like breaded dinosaur shaped chicken. I thought they were Billy and ass I was like, oh my god. This is the greatest place ever. Maybe like you want a pop tart. I'm like, yeah We're gonna snort those pop tarts Yeah, everything I had to like sneak it like a can of coke my parents never was that That's probably pretty damn good for for kids is if you have to pick a time to not indulge in that kind of shit That's probably what you want. Yeah, maybe I probably had a lot of nutrients, but I mean I feel like Well my brother and I my protein when you go brother and I would talk about like school lunches growing up and it's like you wake at our high school

There was a you have the normal lunch place and you had like the snack area where you go by like Patch kids and all kinds of shit and a lot of kids was straight go to that place and avoid the lunch right That was called the bullpen I remember and it was like you go by like fucking pretzels and just dog shit food and then you wonder why kids are like bang their heads off Like fucking can't stay engaged Like what are we putting in these kids? We're just feeding them sugar and cinnamon or a parade hours and asking them to fucking focus like what are we doing? Well, that's why I love it when they bring those doctors on and they're like sugar reacts in the brain the same way as cocaine Because then if you think about it, it's like they've created a cocaine room for kids in school

And then they're just like we don't know why any of these kids crazy what and they're like you Yes, huh? One no one shot sugar right into them and then expect it Yes, it's a mainlining sugar I mean I used to drink like two mountains. Oh my god, all the time. I mean, just loaded.

I used to think that what I used to drink. And then they're like sit still for 45 minutes. And I'm like, I am going out of my mind. I'm like sweating and I'm like, I remember the thing, like right when we got home from work, I mean from school from school first thing we do is pop down a fucking oatmeal oatmeal cream pie and a Pre-sun and then go outside and like run around with banger heads on the wall and Then like come back in I hope it would be tired enough, but it's like what are we feeding our kids like? I don't know it seems well that explains a lot of the work, things that you say.

That makes sense. Bang, you're right. Yeah. But you know what? If you are going to give kids a load of sugar, like fucking let them run around. Right. The fact that they give them a bunch of this crap and then they're like sitting this room quiet, no talking.

Here's a rule of learning. Learn more. I think I like that. Yeah. Well, it was, it was weird in the US too. Like, when I moved here, I'm 13 and like, one of the things that I noticed that didn't make sense, like, kids would eat in the classroom and drink sodas. We can do that in England. And I'm like, this is the best. But then I realized, oh, maybe there was a reason they

didn't let us do that in England. Like, you jacked up on sugar, you can't concentrate. I think that you made, they were talking, I can't remember this podcast, but they were talking about how many meals you have in a day, the idea that you should have like four, five, six meals a day. That used to be the thought process, but that was like trying to get sold to us. It's like your body does well when it's starved to be honest. Like my girl just, you, you were that was that anti-adjustance. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, she's she fast for two.

Yeah, you're mine becomes very clear when, when, when you're hungry. Sometimes, and you kind of just like, oh, yeah, there's definitely something to be said about fast. It seems good to me. You were telling me that too. You were telling me that you become like much sharper. Like, into your premiere. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I don't think so. I don't think so. They kind of touch on the like land cultivation in America and like how preservation of land is like really better kept here than anywhere in the

world. And that was learning that early on like you got to think my transition from like being a vegetarian and like supporting animal rights in like the traditional like English sense of like we don't want any animals to die anything and then going to a place where I'm eating meat and like willing to hunt. It's like well what took me over that. And I remember like back in high school having that conversation with some people that hunt. And they're like do you have any idea how much the hunters pay into land preservation and like protecting animal habitats and and you know

No one else is putting that kind of money in that and I found that so interesting because it's the complete opposite of what you would expect Like I had that same mindset that Clay is talking about. Like, these hunters are just drunk and asshole. You know, brutish, drunk, like, love shooting things and they're just like, ah, how fuck you? And that's not been the case when it comes to it. Really, any hunters I've ever met, like, they have a deep respect for the land,

probably more so than anyone. And definitely a deep understanding of what it means to be a part of the land and understand the creatures that are out there. I mean the respect the bow hunters have for elk is phenomenal. You try and tell a bow hunter that an elk is a dumb beast and they will laugh you out of the room because they've had to try and kill them. Yeah. And they're like, these fuckers are smarter than you can imagine. They know you coming, they know where to go, they just...

What do you say that? That's not... Get out of it. I'll put that one there. He was talking about that somehow. It was saying it was like eight football fields away and he smelled it and ran away. Oh, yeah. What did they say about their sense of smell is like thousands of times stronger than any.

They may have the best sense of smell of any creature. That's crazy. No wonder that best. I was going to say that has to be an evolutionary fucking god moment. No wonder that bass Yeah, yeah, oh for sure I look I like the Robin Hood reference that he told me make sense now that he was a hunter and not just like Winning archery competitions and like never did I watch those movies I think oh he's obviously an excellent hunter well yeah well why else did he have a bow and arrow it's like of course you know I'm gonna shoot some of the shots absolutely brilliant yeah that guy that guy is a badass I definitely want to

start listening to his podcast. I guess he does one with Steve on the meat eater podcast. I want to start following that guy some more. I hope he comes back on. I thought he was a really cool dude. Sure. He was not convinced Joe loves it though. He's jumping on that conspiracy. He's like dude It's it's this one fucking animal that no one seems for 30 years. We're like all right What have you had a house? I have to pick a dude the fucking reference the guy that like thrives on hunting He knows how animals move and has a good frame of reference At least he has a good starting point to have that kind of thought process Yeah, it sounds reasonable. I mean, We'll find out but but just like that guy said it's usually

It's usually not the most unlikely outcome and that's a reasonable assumption Like more than likely. It's just a funny angle and it's Some big ass house cat or some other creature. He wasn't even convinced there was a cat at all. Yeah, he kept thinking it was a dog. He said, but that's what we're looking. Yeah, I mean Joe was there first hand. So, well, no, Joe only saw the video. That's right. I think that thing. Yeah, it's just from the video. The thing had a little plepid instead. For sure. I don't know. We'll find out. Maybe they're bringing a cat expert and we get to the

there. It's good jokes. My money's on it not being what you know. Let's get Joe. I'm just saying. It's good Joe exotic in there. Get some frame reference. Joe Joe.

No. He'd be a great guest. I'm telling you, if that guy gets out of jail, Rogan's having him on. I bet you can get to him in jail. If he wanted to, he'd probably like her. That would actually be pretty good. I mean, he'd have to come out and tell him

that individual is his brother. He's probably been getting slammed in jail like nobody's business. Oh, he's pretty love. Oh. Anyway, that's enough for this week. We got we got Quentin Tarantino coming up next week. I'm like halfway through that one It's it's fantastic. What a fucking legend. I can't wait to get to the bottom of it. I think I'm gonna be watching some Tarantino movies this week and

Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good week of pods All right, thanks guys for tuning in i really appreciate you you know give us a good review if you so feel fit and uh... otherwise we're speaking actually basically you