Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 231 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Jacob Dylan Et al.

Episode Date: July 14, 2021

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All right, all right. Interesting week of pods. Michael Pollan, like that guy a lot, Adam Curry, the pod father legend, and Jacob Dylan of the War flowers, the son of Bob Dylan, which again just like the Eastwood guy, I just didn't put that together right away. I know. I know. Right. I took it off. Once you see it though, you can't unsee it. Yeah, exactly.

You know, I was thinking of that that Paul and guy I was I listened to the beginning of that Just listen to it and watch any of it and I then I saw a picture of him as I watched the interview or the Podcast and I was like that is not at all what I thought the guy would look like Really? I don't know what I thought but he was like I did not picture an old guy like that. I don't know what it was but Yeah, I mean I remember him from you know being and looking young like back in the 90s. So You know time gets us all I'm afraid. Yeah, apparently, huh? It's coming after us, bro Coming after it's all right Michael Poland Michael Poland is an interesting guy. He's been on before smart guy definitely a smart guy. And you know, this

book about plants and like how they, you know, that I didn't know, I guess I never really thought about how it's only plants to make psychoactive chemicals Yeah, right, I'm I mean, I was thinking about that day and the only other thing is what that frog the frog back of that one frog I think has some kind of acid Oh, that's right the DMT from the toad right right the five MEO. Yeah, so that's a group secret So I guess there there must be some others And I and mushrooms aren't technically a plant right that's a secret. I guess there must be some others. And mushrooms aren't technically a plant, right? That's a fungus. But I guess primarily it's from plants.

Is that true whenever you're taking mushrooms that you're giving yourself food poisoning? Is that basically what's happening? I don't know. I mean, your body kind of does feel a bit weird about it. Right. You think? Yeah. I mean, something's going on, right? That's definitely like a malfunction in your system. Well, that's the thing is, like, whenever you said said fungus it doesn't sound as bad, but same time I think that the What's going on as you're giving yourself you're inflicting food poisoning in your body. I believe that's true Yeah, it's a type of poisoning that gets into your brain really

Right, and that's really what's happening with a lot of these like the blood brain barrier is Very effective for most things like you can get really sick and even a bit poison But it doesn't really affect your brain most of the time whereas with with You know alcohol gets in there that affects your brain marijuana like that's what the drugs are Get in there. That's a good point. You just talking about a second, a lot of second Alex and whatnot too, yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's a big, he's a big one on that. I mean, what was he saying about the even the guy that came out with the PCR test, which is like the baseline technique for COVID vaccines,

he did it wall on an LSD trip. Oh, how trippy is that? Yeah, that's wild. It's like, wait, what? How many amazing discoveries are coming out of LSD trips? It seems like you need. Probably not many. I was gonna say, I don't know that I can go either way,

because it allows you to think outside the box. That's for damn sure Yeah, I would imagine that people think that they're having really profound thoughts and then after they check their Their audio recording. It's just nonsense They're on two hours what they wrote down for two hours. I've done that gone back and been like man That was poetic and it says like paying a butter and jelly It's like the most basic rap of all time That sounds a little more accurate. It's like a really stoned Yeah version of Dr. Seuss just trying to get it down on paper. Mm-hmm

Yeah, well, you know that shit definitely happens It is interesting though like Yeah, well, you know that shit definitely happens. It is interesting though, like, the what psychedelics do do is provide you, like, I don't know if that is that crazy to think of that, because the guy probably was thinking well outside of the proverbial box to come up with that theory. You know what I mean? Yeah, they were saying that he could like visualize

himself sat on the molecule. Right. Like able to come up with the idea. Who knows how true that is though. It's like people love to inflate stories like that. You're like, all right bro. Chill out. I had three giraffes and two hippopotamuses in the room and I came up with a vaccine. Yeah. You're like, okay. Okay. Look, isn't it good enough that you came up with this? I think the, I think the PCR thing is not the vaccine, but it's like a way of testing for the antibodies. I don't really know. Google, I'm not sure. The addiction thing about the Vietnam, uh, the heroin thing. Yeah, that, that really kind of stood out to me like that almost 20% so like one fifth

One out of five of all the soldiers over there was addicted heroin right because Imagine what they were going through and like how fucked up all that was like that You need a you need to escape, right? So I get right and then when they get home 95% of them just kind of stopped using without treatment Right, which is a huge amount and that really does like derail the theory that like oh you try heroin You're hooked for life and that's it and your blood is over That definitely completely goes against the narrative that I've ever heard right

I wonder if the incidents of let's say you're one of those guys, gets back, gets off it. Is your PTSD likely to be higher than many of the other soldiers that came back that never did any heroin, but then a suffering from PTSD? That, it would be interesting to know, like what would be, you would assume the heroin people, everything with their lives would be worse But imagine if they found out the PTSD was lower with the people that were on it there and came back and got off it than just Regulus that's when I'm on the heroin users

You know, well, they definitely wouldn't have given that any Support they would have crushed that narrative if it was. Because it plays against everything plays against like the, you know, the drug war. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I guess from that angle, who would want to actually figure some mountains, but I actually worked Hmm, we have a drug word up hold That's good point I mean just it is it's interesting like again like just to hear that alcohol is like just far more addictive I mean think about how many detrimental things that have happened from people on alcohol as opposed to I mean I detrimental things that have happened from people on alcohol as opposed to, I mean, I'm sure heroin is not a good for you, but I think there's like assault with whenever people are

on heroin. He's gone back to that Carl Hart interview so many times in the recent past who are talking about how he kind of outlined like a completely different narrative for what drugs are now. And that's starting to be like more adopted by a lot more intelligent people. I mean, nobody bats an eyelid, right? If you say, oh, I'm going to have a drink today, or I'm drinking right now, or I'm just going to go to the beach and have some beers. But if you were like, yeah, I've just done some heroin and I'm going to the park.

People will like, excuse me. Right. And you're like, no, statistically it's way less addicted. So no one, no, even I would be like, Garrett, no, don't do that. Oh, dude, it's not a big deal. It's a little H, but I'm going to pop a little H down the boardwalk. Yeah, it makes me more lovable. Like you don't say that about alcohol.

Like if you, if you've drank like a six of truiles, you know, though, to be honest, you do probably hug more people when that happens. So it's hard to say about loveability factor. I was going to say for alcohol and me, I kind of go against the grain. Yeah. Yeah. You're a friendly. Well, as long as you can stay awake, we're on me kind of against the grain. Yeah, yeah, you're a friendly. Well, as long as you can stay awake, we're not shoveling you in the back of a car. Yeah, I'm usually just trying to eat everything inside as well at the same time. Hmm.

Yeah, it has a hell of an effect on you. Talking about those some other drugs, the San Pedro and then the Poyote plant. I think I heard of San Pedro, but I didn't really know a lot about it, but I guess they both have masculine in there. Yeah, masculine. It's crazy how one's legal one's not. Well, I think a part of the Pio Di thing too, it's probably good that it's not legal because it is like he said a slow growing plant. Ideally, it really should just be left for native people,

which I think is just a respect thing that would make sense. I mean, they use it for, you know, like their rituals. So just having a bunch of idiots coming in just stealing it is not good. And if you can get it much faster like from a growing plant that well grows quicker like the sand Pedro. Let's do it that way. But Yeah, to think that you can have a bunch of sand Pedro in your house But the moment you are trying to take some masculine out of it you you go in a jail. So wait a minute I own the plant so I'll choose minute, I own the plant. So. I'll choose what I do with the plant, all right, Tom?

Yeah. If I want to stick this carrot on my butt, that's my choice. What I do with my plants. No, no, no, you cannot snort the bleach underneath the sink. Hmm. Fascinating about the caffeine thing. I really did not know that caffeine, it wasn't really around to like the 16th century

and it's and it's almost been connected in some ways with like an enlightenment period. Like everyone is just caffeine up, inventing shit, doing art, you know. He was saying that coffee break was invented like whatever But that like turned out to be one of the smartest things corporations did for their employees because they gave him a chance to like go recharge for Whatever 15 20 minutes and then come back and do a lot better work after the fact, right? I'm a big fan of caffeine man caffeine is is a good positive drug I think it's hard to argue against that one. It's like, let's get moving.

Yeah. I, uh, it's part of my day of the ritual, it was starting that, that broer up every morning and popping down a quick cup of hot liquid motor oil down the back and throw it, get you fired up. Have you ever tried to quit caffeine like that guy did? No, to be honest, I mean I always look at it as beans and water. I don't put sugar in anything so it's like I don't necessarily

feel like I'm kind of falling into that trap of can I get the soy ventilati and spend in six dollars and wait in line for a coffee like I think I told you that experience that'll happen once and never happen again. I sat in line with my girlfriend. I marked the time from when we got into the Starbucks line to when we got it to when we pulled out it was like 12 and a half minutes and I was just like I will never waste another 12 and a half minutes on my life for a cup of coffee every again. You do not have the time for that. 12 and a half minutes. Two long. 12 and a half. Two and a half minutes. Two and a half. 12 and a half. Two and a half was too long.

I felt like one minute for a cup of coffee, especially when I can make it at my house. It doesn't taste that much different to me. Maybe I'll just say. Well, it's a lot cheaper in your house. I don't have that refined of a palette, apparently, but I don't need anything special. I just need somebody to get me fired up.

Well, quitting caffeine, especially if you're like avid, you know, you have having multiple cups a day, it's brutal. Like you'll get headaches, it's a really kind message with you. Because sometimes if I don't have it, I just don't have it, it's beyond so. I guess it depends on how long you break full and also how much you drank in the first place.

Right, I had to say I have a pretty big two, three, four cups in the morning. But I don't really have any other kind of caffeine intake to be honest with you. That's about it. You'd probably still feel it though. I would imagine. I think it would be, it would probably hit you. Yeah. I don't know what did you's on like energy drinks and whatnot. Oh, that was probably bad for you.

Too much and it's, and it's, well, but it's like a synthetic caffeine that they're putting in there too. Like at least coffee, it all came from the bean. You know, there's like other oils and things in there that it kind of all works together for like if you got a good being. It's like the high is more of a bell curve rather than like a spike and then a crash. And those energy drinks are just like

mainlining that energy in and you know, it's a little rough. I mean, people have had like hot problems from like Red Bulls. I can physically fill my heart beating faster after I have like a face of a Red Bull. I'll take a look. I'll pour like a little shot of Red Bull and take like maybe an

answer to and I can feel my heart like physically. Yeah, that that drug will wake you up for sure. For sure. What about that mad honey? Dude, I want to try some mad honey. I'd be down with that for sure. I Can't believe that neither of those guys have tried it. Where did it come from? I wrote it down I think oh, wrote it in dreams a road to dense Similar to a psychedelic that correct supposedly. It's a straight-up psychedelic man

You get like you'd like eat honey and trip out Yeah, let me walk put that in your coffee in the morning. See how that goes Yeah, I think it's funny and Joe always comes back to people took mushrooms then like dot dot dot It's interesting to see to think if you did dose Like a big group of people and like video tape how they react and They probably wouldn't be a whole lot of negativity in their room you know I mean they might yeah no doubt it's just got a bad rap I mean you know people that don't know a lot about it don't have anything good to say about it and it's like hold on you don't like genuinely fight against like the process for it to not work.

And even then, you just wouldn't be able to battle it no matter what. Well, you could probably film some people having bad trips and panicking and that that could put some people off. Right. That could put some people off. But this is why what did you say the Greeks called drugs, pharma, calm? Yeah. And it basically translates to it's a blessing and a curse which I think is very accurate. It's like they can all be horrifically abused and they can be used well. I mean

there's just like a level of responsibility with all. Even down to tobacco like he was talking about the tobacco rituals and like how it had a really like productive positive element to it and you know we got a whole of it commercialized it and completely fucked it. I mean even on a broader scale it's like that just seems like life in general. Yeah, if we can make money out of it, we're gonna make it our bitch Yeah, let's jump over to Adam Curry and What did you think of this guy the pod father? He definitely knows everything about everything he likes to think so

He likes the way he likes to think so. He likes the way. He likes to think so. Yeah, right. Yeah, he's got opinions, but hey, you don't invent podcasting if you don't have opinions. Yeah, I get to talk. Yeah, exactly. He's got his, I can't remember what he said, something about conspiracy theorists. I can't remember the cliche term that he said, but it made sense. He said, you can't remember the cliche term that he said but it made sense it can't be a clear clear or it can't be a I can't remember the word I don't want to chop it up but it was so on point he's like you can be a conspiracy theorist answer your future thinker or something to that extent yeah he definitely was a conspiracy there is right Some of the 9-11 stuff was was getting tiring

What are your thoughts on I mean not the way the dive into that but where do you stand on that? I guess I see enough of the zeitgeist to be kind of sold on the fact that there is some Fishing that's going on there. Yeah, I don't, I mean, you know, I just try and stay away from a lot of them, to be honest. Right. They're fun to think about, but I mean, until more stuff that makes any sense come forward, I mean, there's a lot of other shit to think about. You don't really need to consider it. You know what I mean?

It's true. Yeah, it's just finite space in your head. Yeah, and like you can tell by the way he was talking it's like people just love to like roll and roll and roll around and this stuff Like they create these strong opinions like they did this all this quote-unquote research themselves, and it's like you Know you haven't looked into anything like you're not a specialist in any of these areas all this quote and quote research themselves. And it's like, you, no, you haven't looked into anything. Like you're not a specialist in any of these areas. Like you can't possibly know any of this shit. Right.

You just got, you got sold, somebody sold you pretty well. I mean, there's some merit to that. Like, I, yeah, I guess you can find anything, if we've learned anything from the internet, you can find anything that support your narrative no matter what it is. 100%. I feel the credit stuff that he was talking about was interesting.

Like how each credit company, like credit, com, all the rest of it, like they, they're making up their own scores. You know, we think that it's like helping us. We'll give you 40 points if you're them. Yeah, show us your bank accounts. So we know everything that you're spending money on. Yeah, show us everything you spend money on and we'll give you 40 arbitrary points that probably won't get you another credit card anyway. Because now we know how to market to you and you've already sold your sold to the devil. a market to you and you've already sold your soul to the devil. Uh huh. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's, it's a lot of fuckery, if you ask me.

And I think those schools do really mess with people as well. Like they hold you, like kind of ransom to stuff. You've been up and down. I've been at the bottom of the barrel. I remember when I went to buy a house one time and I, they ran my credit and I had been like completely negative down my student loans but I was like I didn't realize the impact that that could have and it was like I hadn't talked to them for like two years I was like I just want to ever talk to them I don't have to answer the phone and then they were and then they ran my account and they're like yeah your credits this and the

other and I was like holy shit so I spent years like battling back and finally dug myself out. I've been like my credits well well at a very very good spot right now. But yeah it's how much I attached to that score. It's like I don't really know what that means. The student loan situation. The student loan situation too, man, is the complete we have discusses very often. I know you're going through some not necessarily student loan situation too, and we have discussed this very often. I know you're going through some non-assisted student loan situation, but Chinese and scholarships and whatnot. And hindsight, it's like, that's so crazy that the one looming bill over my

fore, over my head all the time is my student loan. And there's no escaping it. And it just seems to like, air they go down every month, meanwhile, I'm paying $330 a month. And there's a goal. It's like just a black hole. It feels like. Well, there's so many people are going through that. And that's one of those things. It's like, you know, when Biden was getting into office, he's like, yeah, student alone forgiveness. And he's like forgiving loans for people that went to like ITT tech, which is a good thing,

because that school was just a joke and it went under and everyone lost out, but I'm just like, hey, there's one and a half trillion dollars of student debt, like crippling so many people. ITT tech was not a real thing, huh? No, it was real, but I guess the school went under, I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but a lot of people were fucked over by that. So they're like working on degrees, they paid into it. It's like a technical institution. So they were very specific to that. Those types of degrees and they just weren't able to use it. It was all just a rep-off. Interesting. I, as I said, I remember a few people that were successful from my TG tech, but that

probably few and far between. I was thinking that it's probably, you think about how technology works, it's probably all the technology they were teaching kids about then is probably completely just like old news now. You know? Yeah. Is that probably accurate? I would imagine.

I mean, even Jamie says that about going to the audio school that he went to. That's what I was going to. Yeah, he's like now. It's all the technology has changed. So it's like, what did I even learn? Didn't apply anything. But if you think about it, many degrees would be like that. It doesn't really say bad

of the school or the program. It's like if you're in a technical field where the technology is going to change quickly, very specifically, it's like if you're learning, shit man, even when I started my degree in biology, they added a kingdom to like an entire kingdom, like a definition of different species of life. Like that changed. So, but if you look at chemistry, they barely will find a few elements here and there. Most of the chemistry will be the same. You know, mathematics is not changing super quickly, like those types of principles of things. But, uh, but yeah, if it's like biologists, specific engineering, it's going to change fast.

Well, you know, new shit's always coming to light to the, obviously, I guess that's like you said, it's very true. Yeah, they're finding new things in the cell that they didn't realize with that and but like, you know, It's just how how things change When they were talking about podcasts, what did you think about the fact that they're over four million podcasts right now? I love it to a million to be it to be honest I let I don't know how many podcasts to listen to I I literally listen to Rogan and to ours from time to time I need to be a little bit branch out but I find myself just wanting to spend my other free time listening to books and then I just focus on our research but I think it's a great forum for

everything you know what I mean like even I think it's fantastic it exists I listen to Rogan obviously and I will listen to like often I'll listen to other comedians podcasts like I like Theo Vaughn's ones I like I should listen to 10 Dylan's ones, but I haven't been I Comptures one or listen to and just little ones that kind of pop up just because I like to get an idea of like what other Podcasts are up to right but there's just they're so long that there's really not a lot of time Yeah, but I mean with four million out there, look, I'd never wanna discourage anyone starting a podcast.

I mean, we started this with no idea what we're doing. But when you have four million, it must be so difficult now to pick up speed, pick up any momentum. And you imagine just that competition. I think they said it came down to like 500,000 active ones, like they're posted in like the last 60 days. So those are probably ones that that are still going. But got 500,000, like imagine having cable with 500,000 channels. Like, who the fuck is watching those shows? Where's the time?

It's basically it, right? Or just, yeah, it's a lot. You choose a lot. Choose wisely. You listen to any good books lately? What did I read recently? There was decent. I actually read a book about the Beatles for some reason it was like the history of the Beatles. I found that quite interesting

Probably the most useful one I read is that Seven habits of highly successful people. It's like a book that's been around forever and Somebody just mentioned it to me and I found that fascinating. It's really interesting. I've listened to that book probably like 10 times I haven't been on my wifeboard right here. Oh yeah. Are you applying any of your habits? Try try every day. All right. Try every day. I like it. I like it. Well, you know, Adam Curry is an interesting dude. He had a hell of an opinion. It sounded like he was a little podcasting company

he has is doing pretty well. It's a subscription one. I like the fact that he's kind of like doing that. No advertising, staying away from advertising. So it creates this like total free speech setup. Right. I mean, he's definitely a purist and you have to give him that whether you agree with him or not. And I respect that a lot.

That to me, you know, God bless him. What was he saying? He was saying that the number one reason why people don't donate to certain causes is because people don't ask. It's probably true. I mean, that makes it it as simple as that sounds. So true. Yeah, you got to ask. That's the thought I asked you.

You got to just ask literally that seems to be, I mean I think about that in life too and a lot of respects. Like you got to clearly define what you want and then it makes it that much easier to go attack that one goal, you know. Oh, for sure. Let's jump over to Jacob Dylan and let's get, let's get finished up with this guy. Hey Joe Rogan fans, if you love to dive deep on big topics, here's something else to blow your mind.

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Nobody's banning us for many things. No one cares. No one's listening. Yeah, no one's listening. It's just us. It's just us listening afterwards. We're like, yeah, I would listen to it. We got two downloads.

Yeah, I don't know that much about it. Like you said, I found it interesting that he was Dylan's son. Like, think about like, I saw Bob Dylan. I think they were talking about being 80 or whatever. Like, he was super old when I saw him do it. It was an interesting concert that he was doing. He's already got a weird vibe in general, like, delivery wise.

And then to be 80 on top of that was an interesting show to say, at least everybody's like sitting down watching him play was it any good? Did you know I'm glad I got a say I saw Bob Dylan, but I it's not like something I need to see again Yeah, I'm with yeah, I'm with there The it that must be so bizarre though. I mean he pub Dylan in so many ways is like not as big as the Beatles but like as influential and in some ways I mean yeah and and Jacob didn't really talk about like his dad's influence on him or or like the the effect of it kind of downplayed it he was like I didn't do a lot my friends went into him I want to know what Rogan's thought process is on Haban Nighayon, or if he just knows him,

like throughout the process, like, all he would, or if he just really like Bob Dylan, and thought, I probably won't get that Bob Dylan on, I'll grab his son. Yeah, I don't know. I know Rogan knows a lot of different celebrities through the years and I couldn't really tell if they like had a really good relationship or known each other a while. Yeah, I couldn't really figure that out, but it definitely seems like someone Rogan whoop could know or be friends with. I mean, they certainly kind of got on pretty good. Right. Yeah. It seemed pretty smart in his own right himself.

Yeah, he definitely had a really good breakdown of like influences of music, like how things work. I mean, yeah, it was it was a cool kind of breakdown of music for sure. Did you see Henry Rollins set up in this living room? Oh dude. The guy has the dopest music setup of all time. What was the quarter of a million dollar speakers he has? Yeah, like what do you, you just can't talk to anybody. If you ever have a party, you just like accept the fact that we are just fucking rocking out.

You're not, you're not talking. Just go over there and be like bro, can I just played this one song and you put like the spice girls on just watch his face He just kicks one of his speakers over. He's like you've killed them. You've killed my stereo his breaks the windows Hmm Yeah, I thought it was interesting when he was talking about like early rock and roll like really early rock and roll And he's like they didn't have any bad influences. Yeah, like Elvis the Beatles like they because there was nothing before them So they got to make it all new and after reading like that's why I read that Beatles book actually after listening this podcast and and Because I remember being astounded that he

said jakeup said that the Beatles did all their shit in like eight years. I know. All of it. Yeah. And reading the book, it was fascinating. It's like they were just turning out like just records and albums so fast. The Beatles had this their first number one album Goes to number one it stays there for like 30 weeks. That's a long time It was there so long they brought out another album and it was that album that kicked them off the number one spot

Yeah, it's like what and the wall flowers took how long to come out with the next album It's like look hey no disrespect to the wall flowers like albums take a while to to come out with, but it just does show that like, you know, whatever the Beatles were up to, man, they must have had a lot of caffeine or something else. They were talking about make Jagger still doing it. It's like, I think he's in his late six, years or 70s now and he's still running around like a stud. Not a lot. Not a whole and it's funny that that's like he's a complete epitome of if you take care of your body you can last for a long time because there's a pretty good cover. Diddy will always take care you must have done

every drug on the planet for a while He's I was just doing yoga every day. Yeah, he's been doing yoga since he was 19. No, you don't Yeah, he probably like parted so hard he almost died and then went okay I'm gonna do some yoga and start working out out of sitting the son and sweat it out do some yoga and start working out. Out of Sid and the Sun and sweat it out. I like the saying that he said there's no drug like nostalgia. I think he said it like that.

That's interesting. That's really cool. That's true. Yeah. It's like we all have a bit of it. It's why that show, what is it, something, Stranger Things stranger things like right was so Popular because it just kind of brought all this old folks back to the 80s, you know, I'm just like ah Okay, this is dope right being kidding. Yeah, for sure

It's it's yeah something and then talking about hair bands, right? Like how big they were. You've got poison. You've got, um, uh, Bon Jovi. You were never, you were never into that. Were you? No, I mean, I liked, I liked guns and roses. Some of their songs were good. For sure. But then of course, uh, uh, Nirvana came along cocoa bane just ended it it was like hey I've invented something better stop yeah we're not doing that stupid shit anymore glam rock anymore enough to nothing and it just that was it I mean do you remember for were you a novana fan or no I was more of a looking circuit at the time, but I... Oh, you were all about rap music?

I was a rapper, rapper guy when I was growing up, but... That makes sense. What was it like growing up in the UK and having the Beatles with they, were they like, Gods, more or less? Yeah, I mean, my dad was not really into him. He was a Rolling Stones guy, and I think think that that was there was like two arms to it It's like you're rolling stones or your bills, but they talk about it. Yeah, mostly everyone was Beatles man Really, I mean rolling stones are very popular, but beaters would just if you ever can if you asked me that question

I'm going stones all day to be honest. Yeah, well I think stone songs hold up better. Well, that's hard to say. I mean, it's just different music. Sure. It just is different. But, you know, if you listen to like, the Beatles just had so many hits. Everything.

You know way more of their songs than you do stone songs. Every single song I think is a hit that is like more hits than there is a hit Pretty much yeah Yeah, I mean that's basically it I couldn't tell you a wallflower song unfortunately I just your special that guy just don't really remember that thing that I think it was right I was I was still a little bit young Whenever that was still like seventh or eighth grade and they were big so I was I was still a little bit young whenever that was still like 73th grade and never big so I was More MC hammer. Yeah, one one headlight is big set a sixth avenue hot ache Three marlinas you do remember that that's not something really. Yeah, you know that one

I mean they have some good tracks for sure like they're really interesting. I always liked them Yeah, the nabs the download stuff was interesting He didn't seem to like upset about that a whole period of time and I think a Here an artist are you banging on something? Yeah, I'm I think it's something. Yeah, stop banging on that We're about I think it's something. Yeah, you start banging on that. Please Recording I think at some point Yeah, the natural thing you just have to accept do you remember that time? Oh, dude It was great. I remember my one buddy show me that it was like I can't even remember when it was to be honest Maybe like I do I do a few thousand I was

before that 99 no it was in 2000 that's funny you say that because I remember going my freshman year at college and no one could get a hold of me in my dorm for like three or four I don't know I want to say like three weeks it was always busy and I was like what in the fuck is going on with my phone couldn't talk to anybody I came home one time and I finally figured out that if I pressed this computer, I just saw songs queued up for like the next two months to download song. So we had no dial tone in our room because we had the time. Oh no shit. That makes sense. Yeah. I remember that. We take it. We take like an hour, right? To like get a song downloaded.

And then I had, and then I had, that was the first time I purchased a cell phone. Yeah. But I just remember my friends were just like burning CDs. And then everyone had like the greatest collection of music ever. Right. They would like, yeah, let me bring over my portable hard drive and just give you all songs ever made. I'm like, wait, what?

This music is just free forever now. It's pretty intense Situation has an interesting time for sure. It must it must have cost him a lot of money I don't know how people make you got a tour I guess I don't know where you're making money as a musician now as far as like streams Go to because they're describing the streams like you I I can't remember, it was like something crazy. Like 50, I'm just making this up. It'd be like 50 streams for like a fifth of a cent or something crazy. Yeah, they get no money, I think,

from things like Spotify. Prairie Rogan made the most money from... What was funny about it is like, Jacob's actually bitching about Spotify, which a lot of musicians do and probably should. And then Rogan works for him and has this massive contractor and I was like oh This is gonna be interesting. Yeah, Rogan didn't seem to give a shit though. He was like oh, yeah, it's kind of fucked up You did get fucked. I didn't how's that gone. Yeah, he's like yeah, they were probably saving their money for my dope house podcast Why they want to spend it on the wall flowers and they got money for the spin on me?

And definitely. Definitely. I like what he said about people with record players too. How many people do you know that love to get their vinyl out and they just, you just watch him and you're like, I can't help but think you pretentious asshole. Like yeah, it sounds a bit better. And it's going to take you 10 minutes to get the damn thing going. When you can just shout at Alexa and play the same song, like

that sounds basically the same. I get it. You're cool. You're cool. You got a record player. I get it. Cool. We get it. Yeah. And then really talking about bands, like we know some people in bands and he was saying it's a young man's game. Like if you don't get into it and get famous like in your early 20s, it's a good point. How many people in their 30s that you didn't know before suddenly became like famous musicians? Doesn't plan it. Doesn't really happen. Yeah. Playing at Finn McCool's in Santa Monica. It's really happened. Yeah, playing at Tim McCool's in Santa Monica. It's like, okay. Take it. Try and take a night school and doing jokes.

Yeah. On a Lisa Lamponelli. That's it. It's like, well, it's, but that is true though. It's like being a stand up too. And that one's not so much an age thing like you could get, you could finally get there older, but you still have to put that 10 years in probably. So wherever you start, however old you are, you just got to know it's a 10 year grind. And the older you are when you get into stand up, you know, you're just less like the community at your level at any point.

So if you're super personable and all the other comics just get on with you and invite you to the shows and you could still do it, but it does start to turn around. I mean, there's there's almost nothing. I'm attractive. I'm going to edit that out. But there's nothing more attractive than a guy that looks like he's kind of worn out and a bit older. Trying to plug away as a musician. You're like, oh, still talking about trying to make it.

And you're like, okay, do you have a plan B for this? I hope you do. Yeah, I'm not those guys that have plan B for this? I hope you do Yeah, none of those guys don't have plan B's I think I that's a that's a that's a She tough pill to swallow because you want to keep following your dreams But it's like at some point you're like hard to swallow this pill and just not do this anymore You know, I said and I yeah, I mean, well, what does that mean when we say to people follow your dreams? It's like we love passion and we love people being all in to do their thing.

But but the idea is you did it so well. Okay, you didn't become maybe a rock star or you didn't become a stand-up At the level that you wanted, but you got really good riding gigs. You got amazing connections You got other rock stars and all comedians that are really close to you that put you on their shows, or they hook you up with something else. We still want people to be good at the thing that they're doing. It's not just about follow your passion and then end up with nothing.

It's like follow it and put so much in that you build it into something that has value. Right. You know. Yeah, that's more important. That's the thing about, I mean, about stand up too. It's like, I think you get good at martial arts no matter what. You're going to see some improvement, but you got to be funny in general. You can't just be like stand up comedian because you want to be a stand up comedian. I think there's definitely have to be funny. Yeah. You have to be getting better.

You have to practice. You have to get better. Right. I mean, you have to get so good. I mean, being a rock star is probably different. You could probably be a really fucking talented musician, even with great songs and so much of that is luck. Right.

Like, it's right place, right time. But you know, you got to know when to get out of it too. It's like, what are you gonna do? You know, you gotta go. You don't wanna get the 50, still plug in those gigs and just, you know, handing out flyers, it's gonna be ugly, that's a hell of a retirement.

Anyway, I don't know, on that note, thank you guys as always for listening. And, you know, I just want to give this little challenge if you've listened to the end of this bad boy. There's a lot of you guys listening. And I'd like to know from you, in the link to our email is in the bio. Email us and like, honestly, if you've been listening and you are a fan like tell us a little bit about yourself we would love to hear from people like we get we get quite a lot of random emails that are less kind of structured but if you could just be like just tell us one why you listen to Rogan how long you've listened to him for what you like about it what you get out of it what what is it just entertainment?

Are you learning something? You know, and then and then do the same thing about our show. What is it? Garrett's sultry voice. We want to connect. We want to know. We want to know a little bit from you guys. That would be interesting. But as always, thanks for joining us, thanks for listening, thanks for downloading, please give us a good review, we love that shit. And yeah, thanks, Garrett. Peace and love guys, appreciate you. Laid of fellas, bye. you