Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 233 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Ari Shaffir Et al.

Episode Date: July 28, 2021

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HELP.com slash review. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. We are reviewing some rogues this week. Join us always by my co-partner and crime Gary co-pilot what's up buddy how we know we're not we can't fly not yet no all right you know Joe start off his week with Abby Martin. I like that bird. She's obviously very smart, super liberal, but she's feisty, right? I mean, she doesn't fuck around. When she believes something, she goes for it.

She doesn't mind making enemies. She, you know, love or hate her, you have to respect her process. Absolutely. Absolutely. I was going to say, like, even though we deem her a super liberal, she seems to be very conscious and logical in all her decision making. She normally has, like, well-defined intentions to the things that she feels extremely strongly about, you know. Yeah, I almost think it would be hard to find like a Republican, you know, because if she's extremely liberal, try and find an extremely Republican individual that has

what that same type of well thought out diagnostics that I don't know I mean there are them right you know but but the more fringe you get with your politics I think the harder it is in some ways to be taken seriously but a few people do well and she's one for like that liberal and I mean Joe has a lot of respect for for for sure absolutely that she didn't see eye to eye with What was it Tim Ferris Something like that member Tim Ferris was unknown. No, she didn't like Sam Harris I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, she didn't like some of sound Harris stuff even those even though Joe played that piece

That it was what was it was about freedom of speech, right? He's like so you do it was a good bit. Yeah, you know, it was true Right at least she gave him credit for that, but yeah, there's some other fundamental things She doesn't believe in when it comes to Sam Harris. Yeah, she was pretty passionate about the The whole alien thing too, right? Yeah, she was yeah yeah I think the more and more we talk about it and in this this podcast even I mean this oh like we were saying I think it's been he has somebody on and that is related to some alien situation like twice a

month now and it's like it's good that we're talking about it. I think there's a lot more stuff about it. It's going to come out here real soon in the near future. You know? Well, Joe said a while back that he was going to I think after they released the pentagon like that paper in the New York Times. Joe basically made an announcement that every couple of months he's going to have somebody on and and get the get the talk going with with UFO stuff and he's really stuck to it. I'm glad that he has. Oh yeah, almost I kind of expected more juicy information to have come out by now, but I mean how much more can we really expect? I mean the ball is rolling. It hasn't really rolled at all for a long time. Until somebody is like,

All right, Alien Baby has been cited. I mean, we're pretty close to it, I don't know. I just wish Elon was more into it. Yeah. Like, it's the one area of him that I'm disappointed with. He's just like, I don't even think about it. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. You don't think about aliens constantly. I'm like get the fuck out of here. You don't think about aliens

Conceal I mean I believe him when he says that he picks and chooses what he wants to focus on that's for damn sure So he's too busy. I wasn't saying and that word about he's like if I had to I was like, I don't know time Have you listened to his book before I? Listen to his book when I was driving cross country and how he can know does he does he read it uh that would be off-putting I don't think it's kind of robust yeah I don't I don't think he did know that I'm looking back on it but just the way that they described what he would do after school like he would just go to the library and sit there from like three o'clock whenever they got out till like eight o'clock at night his parents would just find them reading books like

In the back of the library from a very early age. Well, that's how you get smart, man I mean he it's how you understand you know bigger picture things I mean he's just filled himself full of knowledge Probably some could say before you're like ready to understand all that. So then take his child's mind as he's learning the world and already he has this huge foundation of knowledge that he's applying like adolescent thought to. I mean of course he was kind of come the way different conclusions than you know most kids that are just like I like like candy, now I like girls,

now I like video games and girls. Good point. Good point. He's a special guy, that's for sure. I don't know if I mean, jumping back over to Abby, I think a lot of the other subjects that she discussed too, especially the idea that the way

the news paints these pictures for us is not accurate, not that we didn't already know that, but it's an interesting thing to... Yeah, like we thought that it was the truth. Right, just to like assume, and I think that that's been more highlighted more than ever now, that we talk about the New York times and all these places where there's from my understanding the New York Times is still one of those things that we kind of value. I've never looked to the New York Times for like any kind of news. I don't know where I've looked from. I like quote, unquote, normal news. That's not probably end up Facebook conspiracy. I mean, I don't

know, drudger, you know, judge report or something know, drudger port or something. I don't know. Morning, bro, like certain things that you try and watch that are supposed to be non biased, but everything's biased in its own right no matter what period, right? Yeah, I mean, the shit that she was saying about what's going on in the Middle East, like, it's, that's such a like, difficult subject to cover when you know nothing about any of it, but like hearing that people are just taking people's homes, like I don't give a fuck what side

anyone's home with anything. If you can just walk in and take someone's home, like this house is now mine, but wait, I live here. No, you don't. I feel like that's fucking crazy. I better be some blowback on some situations like I mean hopefully some people have some goal I don't know how that would work, but that is sick. Well, what was she she was saying that then the people have to pay the legal cost of The person that moved in the house. I'm leaving. Talk about a kick to the nuts when you're down. Unbelievable unbelievable. I would like to know more about that. Talk about it. Yeah, I've not that this even remotely

relates to that, but I just was paying my student loan payments today and I was looking at how much interest I've paid as opposed to how much principal I've paid over the course of the past. Fuck it, I don't know, 15, 16 to 20 years and I've paid $ 22,000 dollars in principle and I've paid Not even 13,000 dollars in in principle I don't know if I see you all right you said that I know I said 22

20,000 in interest and 13,000 preference correct 22,000. Yeah, a whole life is just paying This is poor people poor people. Whole life is just paying. This is poor people. Poor people's whole lives is just paying off. And I called it in the docs and I was like, this is such a racket, isn't it? And it's like, oh, I don't know. It's like you're so handcuffed by these fucking things. I don't know.

But that's a, that's a thing that we can talk about for hours and so on. Right. But I think she even made, oh, they did talk about it because she said if you don't pay it off and it's supposed to go to your first akin too. Wasn't she the one that made mention of that? Is that why I thought of that? Because I think that she had talked about student loans too.

Yeah, I don't know if that's true. Is that true? Like your kids pay off your student loans that can't possibly be the case. Did they try to come after me for my dad's fucking hospital bills after he died? Like, I was insane. I was like, I'm not paying you reason. He's not alive anymore.

Like, yeah, if I had to like call up and plead my case, I was insane. Like, it's just crazy. What? People always looking for money. So what happened? They just went away. I just went away. I mean, I can't remember.

I think I had to like prove that he was dead To them I'd like send him a desert to forget or something. I don't know Interesting world interesting world with them just send his ashes in the man I really feel like I had to get it saved through this But like best bias sending me all of his old bills and stuff I don't know if that's the side that works. That's a long time ago. Well, I think what it how it really works with a lot of those bill collectors and debt collectors

and things is that they can ask anyone for money. And if you pay, they can accept it. So they make it seem like it's your debt or whoever's debt they can get away with It's not illegal for me to say to you Garrett There's this bill of a thousand dollars and it's yours and you got to pay me and you're like no go fuck yourself And then that's the end of it But if some people can be pressured into it Like I don't think it's illegal to like quote, quote, ask. And that's why you should never pay attention to anything that doesn't pop up when you

credit report. And even then, if it doesn't look good, dismiss, you know, dispute those shirts. It's good. It's knowledge. But, you know, this is along the same lines. There's a lot of what Abby's saying. Like, when it comes to the media, they say something like they create this story, this narrative that, you know, the real question is who the hell is deciding what

that is. You know, is every narrative like it starts with pro America and then, you know, the only thing we can disagree on is politics, but everything else has to be pro-America and every other country is wrong or something like that You know what I mean? It seems to be the right it is. But how the hell do you figure out what is right or what? I mean you can't do what she does. You can't be on the ground in Every situation like watching these things unfold like it's easy for her to say like, I know how this is going. I was there.

I saw this. I'm like, okay. But like that's impossible for other people to do. 100% impossible. There's no way. I mean, and now it's a, and when it comes to news, you have to take somebody else's, I don't want to say quote unquote word for it. But I mean, I guess it's refreshing hearing somebody like we said coming from Abby because

she's well thought out and she's getting her hands dirty in the middle of these subjects, so she has a good perspective on what's going on. Yeah, I mean, I'm inclined to believe somebody like that, you know, that. That's why this sort of platform for her is such a good one for people to get to listen to. For us, stupid people that are just like living our lives busy and not able to sit through all the data to be at an outsource to people we trust. But how do you get to that point? And who is it that you trust? Right.

It's a difficult one to figure out for sure. What did you think of that monitoring your text messages for misinformation about COVID vaccine? Like, so how is this happening? This is all people's text. I'll tell you what, I must be fucking under the radar of the government hard core because every conversation I have is fuck off. Yeah, but you're not spreading misinformation about COVID vaccines via text message right?

Dude, what is real information? Now, I wasn't, I was gonna tell you this too, that so ironic that the people that I work with, that all were so passionate about getting the vaccine are now having COVID, I tell you that. Is that all right? I don't know if I mentioned that to you yesterday. Yeah, like at least two of the guys that I work with

that were super pro, got to get the vaccine. What do you know, both have the fucking vid right after. And I'm like, the more, the more more that I say that, the more and more people seem to pop up and say the same thing that all the people that are having it now all have the vaccine. So. Do you think that's because of that new strain?

No, maybe it's just that the vaccine doesn't work without it. Sure, she's ironic again, doesn't it? Uh-oh. You become an anti-vaxxer. I mean, I, I don't want, I'm just gonna go ahead and send this and I've already said a thousand times into any of our fans. I'm a don't clear shit person and that's how I think that everybody should live their life. I don't understand like you do whatever you want you know Sam Harris has a new podcast that just came out on His streaming thing and he does it with this doctor and it's all about the COVID vaccine

Right and they're very pro getting vaccinated, but it's a it's a good It's a good podcast. Like, the guy he has on is very smart, and they make a lot of good points about the efficacy of the vaccine, like how many types of deaths have come from it, who's still getting sick, who isn't. And they're saying it's their very pro vaccine still. Yeah, they're basically just saying, look, there's very few adverse effects from the vaccine. Is Joe Vax most of the people, what?

Joe Vax, I haven't heard him make mention. I'm pretty sure he is. He's never said it once, haven't, have you heard him make mention to it? I don't know. I can't remember. I don't think he's mentioned it And I don't I feel like he would have at some point said yeah, I went about the Vax

Yeah, I don't I don't know I want I want to go on a limb and say he doesn't but we'll see Well the back to this like misinformation thing like she says that 80% of the news that we get is pre-packaged from government agencies or corporations. Right? Well, when you take that into account, I mean, that's most of... It's just another TV show. I don't know if that really implies that it's going to all be fake or all bullshit, but it does, it does make you not trusted. I think it does make it, it just has an agenda.

Let's not say, what's not, say fake or bullshit. Let's just say it has an agenda before it gets, before it gets filtered to us, it already has a predisposition to have you thinking some kind of way based on somebody else's agenda. Yeah, I think that's it. Well, it's got it is terrifying. Regardless. I mean, it is terrifying. It was just a heavy podcast.

It's hard to listen to. It's heavy. I'm glad that the rest of the week was just comedians that were ridiculous and crazy stories because sometimes I think about like having to talk about it and I'm like this is almost gonna depress me just going I'm going through it I hear you let's jump over to chain Gillis have you heard of this guy before? Dude yeah I've been watching his YouTube like Joe was talking about his YouTube videos and They are fucking hilarious

He has our only fans only found dad and Joe mentioned it a few times, but that's one of the best videos He has a bunch of others. I mean there they're really good skits that are very very funny He really puts himself like it's excellent. And honestly that whole story about SNL, like the more you learn about SNL, the more it makes you not wanna watch that show. It was the last time you watched it. No, I barely never watch it. I think I watch Elon Musk on it because of that.

I mean I'll see you close. I mean I'll see you close. I'll see you close. I'll see you close. I it because that I mean I'll see you close the interest of my Instagram like reals when I'm going through my feed, but I don't I don't know the last time I went and watched it Sarah and I used to look for I remember I used to look forward to it like really look forward to it back in like maybe high school days I don't know Dude it was it was amazing in the 90s so good Think of that generation of like everyone that was on that. Really, really good. It's kind of been hit mess for a long time. I agree. It's weird that I don't want to say weird. This cancel culture, I mean, I'm sure we'll get into that with Shane, but just tiptoeing around everything all the time just seems like, I don't know. There's just like a group of people that I think about

when it comes to kind of coincides with the Vax and then cancelling and then like, I don't wanna say that everybody's in the same boat because that's kind of generalizing, but like, I think about the people that are so pro-vaxxed, it has a tendency to lead them to want to cancel people more too, and to have this like woke mentality, I feel like in some regard.

Maybe I'm obviously generalizing here, but it seems to be kind of a correlating thought process that if you think one way, have a tendency to kind of be on all facets of some weird, I don't know, wavelength or something of thought process. But well, I just really don't get the point of siving through this guy's podcast to and I'm sure he said something really fucked up. I think he said something basically sounded pretty racist. Oh, it was out of was. I think that he's yeah. So they were like that's that can't do. That's no good. You said, you know, I said, kind

or something to I think. Something like. I mean it was it was it wasn't good, right? But They are rages comedians. I mean podcasts are a place where but I guess that's just the price you pay Like if you want the freedom that you get from a podcast you better make sure that you are all in You're not looking yeah, you're not looking for like TV and movie deals after that because you're not going to get them. You know, you've got to get to a certain place and you know, look at Tom Segera and Burk Rosh's podcast, right? It's really big now because of all the exposure they've got from Joe, being on Rogan's podcast and now that they've done podcasts for years they're big. But if they just jumped into it day one saying super outrageous

shit on a podcast. I'd like to believe maybe they they wouldn't be able to get the momentum. It's interesting that we're saying this too like the thought process that you got to kind of play by these certain rules in order to get like these roles in Hollywood or whatever. It seems like it should be the opposite. Like people that are making ripples in the waves and causing people to look at people in a different way and coming up with new ways of thinking, but you would hope that those of people getting the roles, not the people that are just like, abiding by the rules of Hollywood, you know what I mean?

Yeah, but I mean there's, I guess there's just like this social contract that exists, that if a network is gonna stand behind you, your values have to line up with theirs, and if you've stepped out of alignment, even for just a second saying something fucked up then you don't represent what they are and they have to find. Otherwise they're like an accomplice you know they're like supporting this crazy shit that you said. The network has to play this certain kind of role for its advertisers to want to be a part of it and not to appeased to its advertisers and if you're not going along with that narrative and then we'll go ahead and cancel you

Yeah, you've got a couple of options either make an apology immediately and grovel and then kind of maybe Step out of the limelight for a bit and hope people forget and change your ways, right? He had a good point about that too He's like, should I really apologize for that? And then he went through that hole back and forth, whether or not he should apologize kind of thing. And it's like, I don't know.

I mean, it's like you assume guilt if you apologize otherwise. But also if you don't apologize, it's like kind of a loose, loose catch 22, right? I don't know. Yeah. I, I don't know know I feel like SNL lost out right for sure yeah you know another video of his that's amazing is this Trump video Trump speed data it's fucking so funny he's so funny like it's it's better than an SNL is he impersonating is he impersonating Trump yeah it's it's better than an SNL. It's he impersonating is he impersonating Trump. Yeah, it's not a great impersonation to be honest, but it's like good enough.

You get the feel and just just the other actors that he has in the in the skits with him. He has a lot of good actors that like repeat in these skits and they're very good. Like they come together. Well, I'll put some links in the bio. It's easy to find them anyway, but I'll put some on there just for listening so you can click through different videos. I'm gonna check it out. Yeah, it's very good. Is he just an open mic or is he a mid guy? Is he a headliner or what? I haven't heard no no he's a headliner. Yeah, he sells off shows. He's been around a good while now I think about 10 years. Gotcha. Yeah, he's a he's a legit comic for sure and you know he's just he I don't know he was very nervous on this podcast that was kind of it wasn't I think he was very nervous on this podcast. That was kind of... It wasn't. I think he, you know, has a lot, he had a lot writing on it

because of everything he's been through. And he had some like, fuck yous to hand out, I think. Right. You know, like, I've made it anyway, despite type of thing. But yeah, he was a little nervous until he drank a bunch. Just kidding. He kept going over about that Joe Rogan comment. He made Dude, it was paying for the list. I was like bro. You gotta let that go

Yeah, Joe totally To be honest, I did not lie. I didn't it was bad didn't get it either. I think he was making well I think he was making more reference. Yeah, it just didn't land. I guess is the appropriate way to reference yeah it just didn't man I guess is the appropriate way to qualify but it shows he's a real comic you know he didn't move on like he he was like damn it I had that plan and I'm beating myself up about it like that's a real that's how you get good that's how you get you know one thing I got really annoyed about in the pod and I rarely get annoyed listening but I'm like fuck I hope he keeps talking about this is Joe is talking about DMT, all that guy brought it up. And then he started, Joe started to kind of describe the difference between five MEO and then the NN-Diamethore trip to me, the other one that where you see the visuals.

The five MEO one, he mostly only, he's touched on it a few times. He mostly only he's touched on it a few times But I read he like almost went into a story about it like really deeply describing it But got way off track and then they ended up talking about Conor McGregor and Nate Diaz talking shit But yeah, man. I was like if go back. Don't forget where you're at He did you done that before? Five a meal the five a meal. Yeah, I was that and it's weird and it's it's very strange self-reflective self-reflective cease to exist That's why I like wanted to get Joe's take on it like more of that take and Yeah, he didn't go into it. You just kind of skip those Yeah, yeah, that sounds fucking nutty.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I tried to explain to people like when I did that salvia, that was only a minute situation, but I have such a distinct like recall of that situation. And that was probably 10, 15 years ago. I remember just like everything that I knew to be true, like the way I described it, like the fact that my hand is like right here, it just wasn't the case. So I feel like I kind of understand a little bit of what you're saying. You say, see, still exists. Did you feel kind of completely disconnected from the other person?

100% I'm like, I guess I'm just not here anymore. Like that's what I like laid down on. Like I hope that this comes back. And then I like came back to consciousness, but I was like just felt like I was gone. Like I was like anything that I knew to be true like the fact that I'm myself and I'm like who I am and this is like life was gone. Like I was like, holy shit, I guess I'm just gone. Like it's not here anymore. And then I like came back to and I'm like, oh, I remember I came out of it and I go, oh, I get it now. My brother said that's what I said right when I came out of it. You get it.

What did you get? I don't know. No, things were real. It's just such a weird thing because I came out of this like trance and the first words out of my mouth where I get it now. So I mean, I must add some kind of insight to something. I don't know. But it, but you forgot.

It well, I just feel like it was a separation from the self more or less. Like I feel like I was had a better perspective on the unity of kind of this whole organism of humanity as opposed to just like the singular one conscious self. Yeah, it's another. Yeah, it's like the type of thing that's, which is scary when you like it kind of freaks me out when I knew people that went back and did that Five Emil multiple times

For me I was like I saw it once and I'm like okay Like that's not it's not a place that I feel like you want to go back to Conquer right? It's not like oh, I did some shrooms and felt weird go back to Conka, right? It's not like, oh, I did some shrooms and felt weird. So I'll just do it again and try and not resist and go with it. And yeah, it's like, it's a place where you don't want to exist. You were stuck there.

Or something. What was he saying that he did some Molly? I decided to take some shrooms at one point. Yeah, that sounds a little intense. I don't recommend that. Seven grams. He had a rough time without. Yeah. I've, have you ever, have you ever taken too many mushrooms? I've, I've heard a story that one of the most disturbing stories I've heard was a friend of mine was getting blackout drunk and they had a vile of acid and him and his friend just started betting each other to take hits.

So you know, it takes time to kick in and you drunk. You know that kind of like, like when you're basically blackout, I mean, you are not making good decisions. Your confidence is through the roof and your intelligence is through the floor. And supposedly they finish the bottle and they tripped both of them for like a week. And it was like psychologically really damaging. Because you can't get out of it. Yeah, well you think it's going to last forever and you're re-analyzing your thought day after day without really sleeping. And yeah, where do you just find a panic? And this is something you did on a blackout night drunk. So how do you even function

it? Or were you just like lose your job? How do you show? I don't know. I didn't, I didn't ask. I took a viala acid last night. I will be in a week. See what's going on. I'll be in and yeah, because the half life is long It's not gonna go anywhere like you're gonna be just As high as I mean, it's got a rough girl Yeah, that's got a really fuck with it because after war you just you're just to a point where you're like I don't I've lost my mind and now I'm building on top of losing my mind and a week of anything It's more enough to torture yourself beyond belief. I mean our PSA here is go easy on these things. Don't combine them all. Don't do them all at once. it's not a race. Let's make the decisions a little bit more conscious when we're Let's just not even get blacked out or don't do anything silly when you are blacked out. I let you count like you go get the best

Yeah, just try not to get blacked out. I feel like that's asking for trouble. Probably a good good baseline Yeah Any I don't know. Yeah, that's a terrifying story. Yeah, I, uh, when I say too much to it, it's like, I've, I've taken mushroom to the point where it's when you lose sight of consciousness, but it's also sometimes when you just let go like that, there's a certain balance in, like, I don't, in harmony, if you can find it, and it can take you to some good places I think that's why that's why I think he makes reference to mushrooms often as he does is because they do

offer some perspective on life and when taking the right ways. I think that that's that's mostly the over arching message of really any psychedelic is you've you've got to give into it surrender to the feeling like these are just emotions in yourself that if you don't just sit and feel and accept like even if it's scary just like just feel it except it and it will pass but if if you fight it, like continuously, it's just like in life. If you fight your own emotions, it's going to be a real hand. And put your... Like, you're not going to smoothly get through that at all. Put yourself in the right setting, setting prior to influence, a positive experience. Don't put your... That's a big part of it.

For sure. Yeah, if you're super stressed out or with people that don't love you and care about you It's not gonna be a good move. Do not do that It's not gonna be a good move. Oh He is a first that I remember Joe calls out Conima Gregor to come on the podcast. I heard that too Yeah, it's time. I think it's time to go on. he's saying some crazy shit right now. He just tweeted at Noom a get off today making fun of his dad dying of COVID What did he say? Just something like like I don't know what it was like COVID is good and

Your dad's dead or I don't know he deleted it right away, but I'm like dude He's probably hitting that whiskey as dude. I wouldn't that's maybe he's maybe black and I What that's my stone? Yeah, whatever dude. I don't care how much whiskey I've had that's just like a bad human if that's really what he's doing That's fucking dumb like what are you doing? Well, maybe he's upset. Maybe he's in a lot of pain Maybe he's okay. I mean, I'm not making excuses for it. Obviously. It's still fucked up Yeah, that's fucked up. I don't know what the story is. Yeah, he's not in a good place. Obviously just lost broke example I'm hanging out with Justin B I'm not gonna go play stories in the fucking a hundred mill and broken foot

But I think he's worth over a half a mill like what over a half a billion something crazy Either I think you're true your true color shine no matter what and he's really stretching with the like things a wake he comes like talks about that Dustin poise like Wife's sliding was DM's like dude I fucking murder you like outside of the ring if you send some shit like that Even then the ring get out of here Well, I mean Dustin's got to beat him up twice So this is a good point you know he's done a know. I mean he's got to beat him up twice. Right, so this is a good point.

You know, he's done a no. I mean, he knocked him out one time. This is a good point. All right, let's jump over to Ari Shafir and we'll finish this up. Ari, I miss him. I'm glad he's back on the podcast. Who knows where he's been. I guess he went to Ecuador.

That's where he would smoke some acid-laced marijuana. Shrightly. He said, he went to that place that I was gonna go over COVID. That was where we were thinking about buying a hostel with that Montenegro Place in Ecuador. Oh, is that right? It's like on my radar for sure. It was funny.

Listen to him talk about his experiences there because it's definitely been where I've wanted to go. It's always bad ass hearing his stories. Like how he can just move to any country, like how free he is. You know, and it's cool now, I mean, he's in his mid-40s. Who knows, in like 20 years, it might actually sound sad, but in a way, he's so wealthy from his podcast, which is huge, by the way, his podcast is massive.

And the sponsor money he gets from that, I guess he got money from is, I guess he didn't get that much money from the comedy central show, but you know, it gets paid for his specials, he still gets paid the tour, like he's doing fine for himself. So just having that freedom to move around,

it just makes him a super interesting dude. So I completely relate to his thought process. My buddy Justin and I were just talking today. He's like, I'm gonna work till November and then I'm gonna try and take 10 months off. And basically, he doesn't, I think he knows who R.E. is, but basically do exactly what R.E. does. It's just different places to go visit.

There's a certain perspective too to be able to do that by yourself. I've never traveled like that but I think that would be kind of cool. I actually really enjoy it to accompany at least one other person in that setting because I went with a couple of buddies and really enjoyed the three weeks I had just backpacking around Central America but I bet doing it by yourself you'd probably learn a lot about yourself too. Seems like Ari is pretty in touch with what he you know is what he likes and what he doesn't like. It's I think it's a totally different trip in a lot of ways if you take people with you because that's like your safety bubble you know it's like you already have fun with them and you're experiencing it together, whereas there's more thoughtful solitude

when you're on your own, making decisions purely just you, more alone time, like, are you crunching something? What's happening? No crunching. The, yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a braver trip in a lot of ways. They think on your own.

But you gotta ask yourself what you're going for. Yeah. Like, if you're going to relax, chill, have fun. It's more of a distraction. If you're going to kind of like find yourself in a sense, which is how are you perceived? He is more than it's more of that exploratory type thing. What did you think of his ayahuasca story?

I was going to say his experience with those shamans. I think that there's a lot of truth to that. I remember being in Guatemala. I can't remember what drug I did. Some sort of like peyote thing, but I remember very vividly, interestingly enough, like I had a, I went to a funeral of a buddy whose brother I had never met. But I did this like trip there and I remember coming out of it, his brother's name was Maddie and I remember Maddie came to me in this trip. I hadn't thought about him in a year or two, I had him in the back to Arizona and it was a buddy from Arizona. He goes, can you let my brother know that I'm okay and I'm proud of him. And I was, I like was so driven after that fact that I like call, I called Noah and said that to him. So like

when I hear stories that he talked about with like mid-seeing stuff like that, like kind of seeing the other side, I feel like I've kind of seen that. And I know there's more, like that's one. I know there's more to this from my perspective. So here he can talk about his interaction with Mitzi when he came back and here in Joget saw emotional about it. It's like I think there's a lot to that. I think that the psychedelic world and maybe I wasca allows people a gateway to come to that point. Well, this is what I was thinking about when I heard that. I'm like, what does that mean? Like, I've never had anything like it.

So I'm like, is this just a thought that you're having? Or does it not feel like a thought? Like, you are sure that that is that person. I was sure that that was that person. Because I had, I mean. Did you see them? Like, describe what? It was a feeling, too, to be honest.

I don't know. It just came to me. and to be honest with you I've kind of touched my mom in that scenario too. Like when I was there Like I felt a similar thought process like she's like it's okay, and I think you're doing okay Like it was more of a feeling and kind of those words kind of felt that way too, but It was very vivid and the fact that I had never met him before either, like I just knew his being was crazy. So I was like, I knew that was who that was and I hadn't thought about it in years. So it just came to me.

So I don't know. And I felt so confident in it. Like I said, I had called my buddy that day and I said, this is what happened and I had filled out the gate of the call. You can tell you this, I know it sounds kind of weird,, this is what happened and I have feel obligated to call you and tell you this, I know it sounds kind of weird, but this is what happened. He's like, I really appreciate you calling me and it makes me feel a little bit of not closure, but a lot comfortable with the

scenario like you felt like I could tell that and they had an impact on him because it had an impact on me. Yeah, I wonder what's going on then. It's so fascinating. Is this just like your brain? I don't know playing out a story of Something that you're thinking about at the moment that's emotionally charged or is it like is it more? It actually happens and there is a spirit world that I mean I mean who knows because you don't often hear people talk about hallucogenic stories where they're having conversations

with people that are still alive. That would kind of debunk the whole thing, right? If you were like, yeah, I was speaking to my dad, and they're like, but your dad's still alive, you're like, yeah, that's a good point, but I was speaking to him and watch everything. Like, it doesn't seem, you know what I mean? It doesn't seem to happen like that.

It's like, oh, these people that you can never speak to again. That's fascinating. What did you think of his, what was he called it? Peerity old. I like that. Yeah. Just how he interpreted what was happening and making these perfect... It seems like a slang term, like you could just call it like,

it seems kind of cool, that's pretty pure. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think that we should probably bring that. That's far. We should bring, that could be like the new thing. That's pure bro. That's song, that's pure.

We'll be like those new dude, you can ask holes. We'll just send the new one. It's pure bro. I really like it though, because I wanna believe that I have a few of those moments from time to time like the moments where you feel Completely in tune and in the zone that you like Can't miss a shot or like can't not tell a joke or like you get on a roll of doing something here in that pure zone

That's a beautiful place to be Yeah, I kept thinking of flow like they talk about that right? It's like a flow that you get in and You're feeling that flow. I felt like that was the same thing. He's talking about like that purity You know just and and and the same story about Mitzi like how hard Mitzi pushed Erie like at the time he hated it and then Joe tells similar stories like Like at the time he hated it and then JoTel's similar stories like You know, I got pushed I had to follow these killers and it was like they tortured me You know she kind of tortured them but made them go yeah

So and that's such an interesting thing to think about because you're like well, wait a second How how do you put that in your own life, right? In a way, you can just sit there and think about anybody that's really got you emotionally, like has really got you working, you know? And sometimes it's not just people that love you. It's people that seem to hate you. They get you working. They motivate you to just be like, you know what, fuck this, I'm gonna do this shit.

And I don't know, you know what? Fuck this. I'm gonna do this shit. And, and you, I don't know, you just never take a moment to sit there and go, wow, I'm glad that they did that. Like I should thank you. Like it takes, it takes a big person to be able to thank someone that like was straight up out to get you. But if you can bring yourself to that place,

especially if like you got a tremendous growth from it. Well, I tell you what I think I was, I don't know, I made mention of this that I work with somebody who has, I've made reference to it. She has a tendency to be negative from time to time and I try and communicate. And so I'm having a difficult time doing it. But even the past few days, like when I'm writing my gratitude, I'm like, thank you for so and so for allowing me to be

patient. And I try and like reaffirm that I need these like everything that's hard treated as a lesson rather than like, it's hard. You can look at anything and say it's hard. But if you look at it as like a lesson, something that you can grow from, nothing is a, it's nothing. I mean, it's kind of that Thomas Edison thing. It's like, I learned how to not make a light bulb 10,000 times, you know what I mean? Yeah, you can kind of look it. Yeah, which you might think oh that makes you sucky and making like bulbs But really makes you the best at it. I read a quote today that talked about

An expert or a master about an expert or a master, how did it fucking go? An expert or a master is someone that is made every mistake possible in their field, in their like, in their specific, in their narrow field or something. I kind of butcher the fuck out of that. Let me see if I can find it. I can find it. Hold on, I can do way better. All right, an expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a narrow field.

Meaning, yeah, you know, it's like take jujitsu. Like the only thing that makes you good at that is doing everything wrong so many times. You know what you don't like you can't do any of those avenues. It's like a maze that you walk blind and all you're doing is just walking down every passage and smack it into the wall and going not that way. It's like nobody walks through the maze and gets it right first time. If they do, they're not going to be able to walk through it again. Like that was a lot.

This is brilliant. This brings up a story that Wayne Dyer said he said that I remember somebody wrote a biography. He's like, we're right in a paragraph. And he said, I walk down the street one day. I'm going to butcher this dude. He's like, I walked down the street the next day and I fell into a hole I mean, he's like, I walk down the street again, I fall into a hole He's like, I get out of the hole, I come back

He's like, and he goes over this whole thing and then he's like, and then I go down a new street And I'm like, that's so fun. I mean, it's kind of Relays what relates directly to what you're saying to someone instead try and try and try and then you figure out all right I'll try some else. Yeah. And along with that, I mean, you can't always be pushed into growth by people that love you. Right.

Sometimes it's by people that hate. Right. And in a weird way, you like, you should thank you. Yeah, I'm going to say I'm going to say you wouldn't have, you may not have got there without. I don't know. I think my there's three words that my brother talks about at the baseball camp to the kids He says figure it out

He's like rather than asking questions right away, and I it's so simple But I feel like it relates to so many of us especially me I try to be better about this to a rabbit like you try some once and you can't figure it out And then you like the immediate thing is to ask somebody that's right around like how do you do that? What do you do? It's like wait one second try something else and 99% of the time that second thing and the third thing that you try is going to work and there's a lot more satisfaction figuring out for yourself than asking somebody else how to do something every time. Because in a sense, asking for help is important

and it may teach you the answer, but it doesn't give you a lot of independence and it might be actually pretty close to failure and giving up. Because if no one's there to give you the answer, you're like, well, I have no other choice. But that's what there's got to be some satisfaction and travel and alone like that because it's like,

you got to find your satisfaction and travel and alone like that because it's like you got to you got to find Well, you got to find your own path in that situation You kind of like got to let that relate to your own life, too Don't always looked everybody else. You got to forge your own path, you know Hmm Yeah, I that was a big really them so much of the message of Ari's podcast like even even in the Andy shows such gratitude by calling out those three Comedians it was a little awkward, but like he's like telling all the clubs to like book these people. I mean It's it's just like this idea of helping others however you help

But how much do I love watching Joe cry? I don't know what it is But it just gets me fired up. Dude, he's an emotional guy. I think it's excellent that he can express his emotions like that on a podcast. It's so, and it's important for people to hear to know that you can't. I remember listening to him. It's how I was thinking to myself. I'm like, I need to cry more.

Like, I literally thought about that because I think about how refreshing it is for your soul to kind of Sometimes you just need to feel shit, you know Bit of homework Find something to cry about Literally, you got you got I recommend watching goodwill hunting Get it with that that a free will you'll get get you there maybe All right, let's wrap it up for this week. As always, guys, thanks for listening.

Really appreciate you. It's awesome that you've come on this journey with us, with the review, we've done this. I think I've done this for like almost five years now and it's just a real pleasure and I'm glad the guys are into it. And let's appreciate you guys, I love you. Thank you. I love you. Thank you later skaters