Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 235 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Yeonmi Park Et al.

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

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Trucking along and it's not snowing yet, so bro. We're in august I like air about yeah, dude. I feel like I feel like in bozeman the winter is around the corner every second August 10 It's like a hundred and eighteen in Arizona to it's probably gonna snow in September No doubt I want to give a quick shout out to Doug who wrote into us He's a friend of Chad Mendez Mendez was on the phone. I mean, on the show this week, we're actually skipping the review on that one just because of time,

but Doug writes in to say that Chad is everything that showed up on that podcast. He's a fucking great dude and wanted us to know and say he's a fan of our show. And I'm like, what's up? How you doing, Doug? Thanks for writing. Thanks, Thanks Doug. Appreciate it bro. Good God. Good energy. As always if you're a listener thank you so much for listening and

listening along to the review and any fan of Rogan is a friend of ours right in anytime the email link is in the bio and and and say what's up, and if you have questions that you want us to go over to go ahead and it is up with those We don't really do like a Q&A, but we could probably do it if we get some good questions some good things to cover Who we got on this week? young Me Park yep, very emotional Very emotional one, that one. Jason Wilson. Pretty close to the equal.

Very close to the equal. Very close to the equal. The emotion on that one. I know that was, right? Yeah, for sure. And then Evan, had to see his last name, Haifa. Yeah, but it's a little bit of a naive style.

The Navy Seal. Yeah. The Black Rifle Coffee Guy. Have you had any of that coffee? Cool to have him on too. I have tried the coffee, yeah. I've been meaning to buy it, but I don't. I haven't.

I should give that a shot. I feel like I have enough caffeine in my life. You know, I don't know how strong that coffee is, but I... Sounds strong. It's like... Maybe I'll just just drink it for the party. Yeah, that's fair, maybe I can just... Just get wired.

I could probably jump on that. All right, let's talk about Yiann me. Yeah. Um, my God, where do you even begin? Dude, I like, I was saying that to you before the pod. It's like, I wanted to express this, but after hearing that, and I've said, I've expressed this to my lady too, it's like, after hearing that, I feel like there's a certain responsibility, and I'm kind of blown away. I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this, but I just feel like I didn't have any of this knowledge prior to this podcast. I knew there was something and I started, and she knew all about it and like started

like giving me different facts about it. We were so, I mean, we talked about that movie that was made to that, like, was it the informant or something with, and just how how I didn't realize North Korea was what North Korea was. Well, honestly, but there it was. Oh, so you knew it was like fucked up place that you didn't realize how bad it was. And not in the slightest. Like not not eight. She said they kill eight generations of people.

Remember it like like. It seems. Yes, I had no idea it was that bad. I mean, I knew it was a disaster, but oh my god. I couldn't even think like, like, where do you even begin? You don't need, like animals couldn't even think

of some of the stuff that I was, I mean, like I was thinking about like a, like a gator would do to something. And I'm like, an animal couldn't even think to like, cause that much misery in somebody's life. That's purely human like I guess no, I mean a shock is an asshole right Right, but he has a thing but he has a reason but it's not gonna come and kill the rest of your family after but right Right is just gonna buy your life right. That's a great way to put it It's like fucking a dude like like they have no idea like outside world

actually is like that's that's the one of the most traumatizing parts and the fact that it's not acknowledged like whatsoever is and this is what I was talking like I is the reason why it's because they have nukes is that why none of this is being exposed is that it and we're just trying to go along with it like why are we not dominating what's the whole I don't really know what's the whole I think well, I think China protects them and they like make you know, makes me sick to my stomach. Well, that's the case and that has to be the reason we're not going

after him, right? Because otherwise why would we not like don't I mean this? Well, it'd be also sadly it'd be really expensive to like go in there, take him out. This is it. It sounds expensive to like go in there take him out It sounds awful to like put a price tag on it like I look I don't make these decisions I think we should do something. I mean what what are we doing? we're like yeah I was thinking about that today that we're actually like we're the most enlightened and progressive like country in the world

Yeah, if we know these things are going on in different places, and we're just gonna like Turn to blind eye. blind I I feel guilty like having the advantages I have given the circumstances like these people are And just another type of human born into a situation that have no control over whatsoever And we're over here just fucking taken everything for granted and they have no idea what it is to just like lived and breathe and like not worry all the time. Like, which he said she doesn't even talk to the UN anymore. Right.

Because they just sit next to an North Korea or something, ambassadors with no security which sounds like a terrible plan and no one's listening to her. And I think a big part of this is that, you know, people don't really know. They know it's fucked over there, but they don't know like, to a real level. Like rape that rape and murder? Like to the most nth degree, like unbearable amounts of dead bodies.

She's like, I didn't know how I was going to be able to feel again. And I'm like, I can't know how I was going to be able to feel again. And I'm like, I can't wrap my mind around that emotion like that's so fucking deep and like just cut hard to think about like I didn't know if I was going to be able to feel love for that my son when he came She's like, I was worried about that because she was so traumatized. That was just like a fuck dude like Well, first off right credit to her. Yeah, because imagine how twisted and weird and And like PTSD full your brain would be if you experienced all that

Yet she can like she can raise a child now and do things here in the West and make speeches and go on a podcast and She seems like quite like really smart well thought out really lightened and yeah like that's a good grasp on life too like I'm I mean I talk about perspective man whoo very story was incredibly heavy I mean she was talking about how those murders and like how she was just like so young walking around dead bodies like it was normal and I was like I couldn't even write this like this isn't even Quentin Tarantino movie like this is something this like next level morbid shit like you wouldn't believe that I mean it was overwhelming like the only emotion I can do is either laugh or cry about it. It's like you fucking fuck me up. I mean and the idea

Yeah, you have to save your shit and take it to the and then they get mad at you for not having enough poo like what? And they're just like repeated the idea of starving and not having food and the idea that this I think into myself on my This dude's fucking what my age or a couple years younger than me and he's just the me he's doing this genocide to a whole fucking country like and we're all just keeping it under wraps because of the he went to school in england i think he went to university and like leads or something and they they didn't know that he was the son of the other guy

but did it just turn shit? I don't know my history, but did it just turn shitty when he became the no no no his dad was a nightmare as well equally as bad I think so yeah I mean it wasn't good. Right. And they raised him. But they thought he was, I think the British government thought he was just like an ambassador's son or something so that, you know, they didn't know he was a pretty head friends in the West. Like he did things in England like a regular kid would do while at school. I'm sure he was a bit of an oddball and probably had a dog of a haircut like he does, but to then leave all that with like Western education and go back to just

dictate, like how do you do it? Like that's maybe if it was all you'd known, then not to say that there's less blame, but you wouldn't know anything else. You were raised as a dictator and then you became when your dad was. That's what I was going to say. But if you go to the West and have you see what normal life can be for people and then you treat everyone that way That's a mind for like that's evil, bro. That's a monster

That's a fucking monster and I'd like to think that within our lifetime Like who knows how many presidents from now will eventually be people R-H. It can't be too many. I mean, we have an all-last president now, but I'm turning 14 now. So maybe the next one, if the next one was 48, and that R-B 48 then, that won't be crazy.

And then maybe we have a whole new generation of politicians that are actually Thinking about I hope I could is shouldn't that be the goal? I mean just like It seems like the energy is focused on all the wrong places for such a progressive and enlightened community that we say we all have It's I'm not I'm not damning America either because we're way ahead too. I appreciate it. But it is an interesting dichotomy that we have here that what we focus on. Well you know it really highlights like the woke right shit that's going on when she's talking about how the universities tell her like other people could bring in their service animals into the classroom, but she couldn't bring her baby in. Now, I get it. I don't really want babies

in my classroom, but I don't really want dogs in their ear. But if you're going to allow one, I don't see why you can't allow the bait like them. Are we talking about class? I don't see why you can't allow the bait like them are we talking about you know what I mean about class? I don't remember her. Yeah, she she was in school at Columbia. I mean with all due respect to her I don't know if I'm paying fucking 70 grand a year. I don't know if I want a baby in there No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying you can bring a dog in though. Oh, well, I mean I'm a dog owner So I'm probably outside with the dogs on that one too. Unfortunately. Yeah, but this is a human I understand but I understand but as long as the dogs not I mean the baby could cry at any time Not trying to be had dog could be insensitive here dog could bite someone

Well, it's a service animal. Yeah, you get one pet. I mean, I don't know you're you're not wrong You're not wrong, but I do remember in college never having a baby in any class at any time. Yeah, I so probably I'm saying maybe neither is That but the fact the one is acceptable without the other seems bizarre to some degree It's I wouldn't her baby comfort her. She's away from it. I mean what what then defines what your comfort oh I see the angle your thing is I didn't think like you're only allowed emotional support baby yeah get emotional support baby it's just someone else there's like a baby rental you're like oh yeah I just have I just rent babies they made me feel better I got an Uber for baby the Uber for babies

be feel better. I got an Uber for bold the Uber for babies. It's more of a Turo I think. Turo for babies. Taskmaster. Yeah. And then she was robbed in Chicago. Tried to stop the robbers call the racist. Those sorts of things. Unbelievable. It's like it's like it's like yeah that that story is a bit rough. It seems like

everything that you could but I don't even say I could dream or think the stuff up because it seemed like... I was in Chicago that day during those rides, I was there. You called me that day, I believe. I remember that. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, interesting.

I wanted to make sure the whole world had blown up. What a weird time that was. It's interesting having the hindsight now to think that that was. I don't know. Wild time. Well, what are the takeaways from it? Like, we talk about it being really emotional.

This information is now got out with all the Rogan fans. I'm sure people are writing papers on it, you know, like in articles online, all the rest of it. Like, you know, I don't think anyone thinks she's lying. No. So now we have this information. Let's say we believe it, right? We believe who she is, what she stands for,

what's going on over there. What's the next play? Like, what can anyone do? What do we supposed to think about it? Is it do we just move on to the next podcast? Or do we, you know, I don't know what that's, I was going to raise that question to us. If anybody's out there listening, I would love to hear anybody's input or what any potential

because I don't want to talk this shit and then not do anything because it's like I, like I said, after I heard that podcast, it was like, now we have an obligation because we know. Well, it made me think when she was saying in South Korea, they had that like fundraising day for dogs, like dogs that got injured in the pound or whatever. I love dogs, right? I think they should. No, I agree.

But to think, but to think people get together to raise money for some kid and surgery. And then there's kids that are dying on the street in this place. It's like connected to this. It doesn't even seem like you can raise any money for this Like you can't get anything in that country What are you supposed to do? I don't know how you I think it starts with education and mindset That's got to be the where it starts. I don't know how you do that either to be honest But that's got to be you got to start from ground zero, right? Like how else? You're not gonna like buy them out or like that's gotta be, you gotta just start from ground zero, right? Like how else?

You're not gonna like buy them out or like bombing them doesn't seem like an option. Like that wouldn't help anything. I got, I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I have no idea, but I think that there's going to be some people smarter than us that have some at least plausible solutions. So I think we should probably start evaluating. God, I hope so. I hope so that's just unbelievable that that Goes on and we just get the hit the beach and go for a hike and watch Netflix daily how unfair is that Dude their daily life is a consistent struggle like legitimate struggle like

I don't know man. Yeah, I don't know It it's a lot it's a lot all right something a bit more uplifting let's jump over to Jason Wilson everyone's seen this video of the little kid breaking the board if you haven't I'll put it a link in the bio it's adorable and it's like it's it's just the kind of thing that we can make you cry in a happy way It's what you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and this guy's words, like his guidance, the way he kind of brings the kids focus back and they get it done, but like does it in this really emotionally mature way. It's fucking astounded, to be honest. I mean, if you could paint a blueprint for to be honest. I mean, if you could paint a blueprint for how you want, like a father's day card to read or something,

I don't know. It was like, that was amazing then, put that he had an insight that he has, but that specific moment too, was pretty touching to be honest with you. It's like that's what you, as a young man growing up to have that kind of influence and to have that kind of talk that he gave to him,

what is going to be so instrumental in the rest of his life probably. Seems like everything that he was saying was a constant moment that you had to be engulfed, which is good. But I was so mindful listening to this one because I could use his voice and diction was so good too. It was like your word for word, like pretty inspiring thoughts to have, to be so connected with your own emotions and to be able to like sift through the bullshit and I don't know, it's just a good person to look to I think for sure. He definitely seemed like the kind of person that there wasn't full of excuses either. Like he didn't come on the part, he got a lot of praise from Joe, it seemed and then,

you know, it wasn't like he was like, yeah, I've always been a badass, I've always been, like he was real honest about being, you know, aggressive towards his wife, like, like really unexceptional, like, like, dude, isn't that? Really bad behavior in the classroom towards women and. There's so much benefit and authenticity. I know I harp on that so much and how I would just be nice to see people

in those political positions have a little bit of that, but it's so good. I mean, Van tookau, acknowledge your downfalls as a sign of growth always, right? Whenever you at least take the time to acknowledge where you're falling short or what you did that could have been better, that's you consciously trying to make a better decision

in your life. So like, I feel like that needs to be the constant goal all the time. I feel like this needs to be the constant goal all the time. Like, I feel like this podcast is that podcast to where if someone doesn't understand why doing a martial art, especially a real martial, well, I don't want to say real martial art, it's not fair, but like a combat martial art, one way you're actually physically testing your skills against someone else that also knows what you're doing. Those ones, at least according to Donahue on the Lex Freeman podcast, they're the ones that will prepare you the best for fighting, because you're actually training it, right? Whereas

IKIDU is a lot of flipping around and nobody's actually fighting each other. It's like a real mantra a lot like that is you're testing your skills. So there's no room for bullshit. You can't bullshit yourself and you can't bullshit anyone else. Like you can't stand there and be like, oh I'm so good at this. I've done it forever. Well, hit the mat and let's see what you know. Because that's the real truth. And it's almost the same. It's like people are applying that philosophy of martial arts to their lives and they're saying, okay I pretend I'm like all held together and happy and hardworking and motivated and goal-oriented and responsible

But instead of saying it, why don't I just do it? Like show yourself that way and I think that's a lot of the reflection that I was hearing him talk about. That's what was coming across. And I was like, okay, dope. I mean, I couldn't agree more. This is also why I don't understand how anyone doesn't train martial arts. This is what you and I were talking about before that.

Like I sometimes, I just don't get it, especially when I see people that I know would really like, I've seen it so many times, people get into it, especially Jiu Jitsu and it becomes their life. And all they ever say is, I wish I started this 10 years ago. I've heard you say that. It's one of those. I will. I don't know. I've seen a lot of people quit too. So that's Mark my word. I will give it a shout. Sure. I keep talking. I don't know. I mean, I'm the least committal thing. I will attempt it. I'll give it one to five minutes. No. I think there's got to be life. I value these guys so much that it's like, why wouldn't I fly that to my life too? If it's showing success in there, so I'll just own that.

So that needs to be a goal. So I'm saying it here. The story of the waiter really stood out to me when he said that he had that wait. If a waiter's like being real shitty, for their job, he, just ask them, can I get any waiter? And then when they go to apologize, he says to him, can you just tell me, you know, what's going on? I don't know if he said that he would wait till they would say, is there something wrong or something like that? And he's like, yeah, you're having it. I can see you're having a bad day. I feel like the whole conversation is gonna be awkward as fuck, but there might be a way to like apply that to many different situations,

to where you allow them to open up and say, yeah, I'm having a rough time. Yeah, I don't know if I stood out. You got to pick it. I liked it. It was powerful. Right, I agree. I think you got to pick your spots with that one. I know hopefully you're in tune with people's emotions. It's pretty good. I think that've got to pick your spots with that one. I know hopefully you're in tune with people's emotions. Pretty good.

I think that he is and we are, but I'm in the same time. That's a spotty play. Sometimes people are just not hurry or doing different things, but I agree with him and that's not strong. But. Yeah. I don't know.

It doesn't seem like something I would do, but I would like to think that when you see someone having a bad day, there was like an opening to being able to like get through to them and cheer instead of just being like, okay, this guy's there, I'm not going to talk to him. Like think, is there an opening where I can actually kind of help this person out? Right. I think there's especially if you need them to bring you food or whatever you need.

Sure. Might as well cheer on. Yeah, I think it's a good value in trying to approach situations like that. Empathy is always going to go a long way, too. At least being considerate. That seems always be a good way, especially when it comes to the service industry. But yeah, I just usually will take that would just be my opportunity

to like practice my patience Right, that's how you won't say anything to try and cheer him up But I'll just be like okay, I just want to ask him for a bunch of stuff Either way and then I just enjoy the meal less I'm like let's not come here again I want to ask for the dressing at whatever. Yeah, I didn't need ketchup for this call. That's what.

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Well, I mean, just when he describes like it's okay to like show and feel your emotions, right, as a man, like he's a he's a martial artist. He identifies who being a strong man. I think it sounded like it took him a long time to be at a really show how he's feeling. You know, his wife couldn't really tell because he wouldn't speak to it and like learning his Journey of learning how to be like yes, I'm not feeling like I'm agitated today or I'm I'm like frustrated or scared or you know being able to express that I mean look I understand why people don't like to show those especially men if men are just sat around all day saying that they're scared or afraid, then you're

gonna look like a lunatic. But you're probably being a lunatic if that's happening all the time. But there are a few times where it's happening and it's probably okay to just be like, yeah, right now this is a big deal. I'm afraid of this. It'll pass. Are you tapping into your emotions that frequently, like I feel like I stay on a pretty even keel

the most part? I was a pretty, what do you mean? Like I try and I think there's something, there's value in crying and there's value and I mean obviously laughter, there seem like to be two of the best medicines for your body and a lot of regard. But I don't know, I was just thinking about how often I get way too blank, I get really

higher, I get really low and I feel like it's not that often. I don't know that. I don't know, maybe that's probably... Well, what do you feel then? You just feel like... I try not even all the time. I was trying to live in a state of gratitude for the most part. Like, I continually try and say thank you, especially throughout the day. But to be honest with you, I don't like, I don't know, I'm trying, I like I don't grant my life's pretty good. I appreciate the things that I have, but like

other than like tragedy and turmoil, like those times that happen, it doesn't seem like in a daily basis I don't get too high or too low very often I kind of stay and He was talking about it kind of seemed like he was trying to tap it And I think it probably has something to do with what he does because he's always dealing with so much trauma in general with all these other Boys that makes much sense because he was saying I can't remember the adjective he used but it was like he had to Vent or something to his wife. He had to go sit by himself and just like deal with his emotions. I'm sure with that. Well, he has a family, you know, he's... Well, I'm sure he'll be running a non-profit. He has his martial arts school. He's got kids. Right. When you go to a lot of responsibilities like that, there's potentially a lot more

for you to process. Yeah, right. That makes sense. So maybe that probably has a lot to do with it, but it's probably good to acknowledge all the things that he is. I mean, process. Yeah, right. That makes sense. So maybe that is that that probably has a lot to do with it. But I it's probably good to acknowledge all the things that he is. I mean, he should be coming to and with yourself a lot better and know yourself better. Yeah. Well, I think it's that it's like some sort of checking in with yourself. You know, like I have plenty of worry that will cross my path throughout the week. And I notice when I don't when I'm too busy and I don't pay attention to it, that worry turns into a lot of different things. Often anger. I start getting short tempered and pretty pissed off.

And it's not really what I'm feeling. Like if I'm just getting if I'm getting angry, that's usually the first moment I've noticed that I'm actually concerned about something else. Like I'm either like afraid of something or sad because it's, I think they call anger like a secondary emotion. So your primary one comes from somewhere else. There's something else that calls that. It's fueling anger. Yeah, and you don't always notice, you know, you're just like going about your day and then you're like, man, pissed off. And you got to kind of, I guess, take a step back, but that's what this practice is. That's why having these sorts of conversations for people to hear that are, you know, struggling with depression or anxiety or those sorts of things, which is fucking rampant,

it's good just to get people aware of how they're feeling. The farce time of a million times too is that anxiety and whatnot is definitely be mitigated by doing hard things. Because like you were saying too, I guess that's a good acknowledgement of that but it seems like staying busy would probably be a good alternative. But do you know it's yourself getting angry? Well, but getting busy can sometimes be a bad thing too, I think, because you can, like, I'll do it, where I'll just get so busy, I'm like using that as a distraction to not deal with maybe something directly or close to me that I'm that's causing me to like feel some strong emotions. I'm like, I don't have time for that right now.

I got a power through all these different things left and right. It works for a while, but it eventually runs out. Like you got it. That's why meditation is good. You got to sit and feel that shit. Yeah, you're pretty good about compartmentalizing. I'm not as good as that. But it's good. It's a good way to deal with it. That's for sure. Um, to work in progress. I think it takes a whole life to like get anything close to it down. Even if I don't know if you ever do. But I think it.

But look, someone like him is just so incredibly beneficial for like a community to have a guy like that. The cares, like he talked about the cave, being a place that like all around develops young people. Not just for martial arts, but like get some ready for jobs or get some knowing Table manners and etiquette and respect and And also the emotional portion so they're not just bottling it all up or drinking their life away so they don't have to feel I Mean fuck my more communities need people like that guys, and I think that's why that video Resonated so hard for sure because it wasn't just like one isolated thing that was beautiful. It's like this is who this guy is and

Finally his story got told Yeah, he was getting deep man. He was getting really I think I think Joe. I don't know I'd like to see what he gets up to now because he's gonna have a huge bump from being on Rogan so I don't know. I'm excited to hear like What he does next with that. I'm sure it's going to be good things. Alright, let's let's finish off with Evan, Black Rye for coffee,

fucking popular, great coffee, Navy SEAL, Legend of a Dude, and he's in the middle of this controversy. What was it? The New York Times talking shit. Come on, New York Times. Get it out of here. It's like a constant. It's like a, it's literally a game. That's what it is. It's a game to see what kind of controversy you can stir up. I mean, he was like talking about it. It was like, this is most American guy, Navy SEAL. It's. Federer country and they're trying to like smear him on like a anti anti American fucking campaign kind of thing is what they were saying. I mean, it's amazing.

You want to say it's amazing, but it just seems fitting. It's like, let's just see how much farther we can push the envelope at all times. Yeah, I mean, he's a great. I don't see the point though. I don't know what they were trying to prove. Like when he talks about all the effort that he's put into like hiring guys that he worked with in a rack that are a racky, like helping them setting up lives for them. Amazing.

What kind of loyalty and love is that? You said immediately when you set up the company, you called those people back there and got them all jobs and said, move out here now. Dude, I've done nothing that- No. Even nothing close. And I know- Like, I try, I would like to-

That's amazing. No way that could. And I was- I actually really appreciate it. It seems like to get out of that- to get out of war unscathed is such a blessing, I'm sure. But like, the perspective that he has on life, spending as much time as he did in Iraq and Afghanistan and the times that he explained, he made me want to like go be a soldier, to

be honest, the way he was describing it, it was like, man, that does sound pretty awesome. A lot of things. Oh, when he was talking, where did he go? Was it like Cambodia, somewhat? It was like on those buildings. He waiting was talking wait Where did you go was it like Cambodia? Someone it was like on those music looking for a gun fight and I was like drinking And yeah, like some about that sounds pretty primal the awesome at the same time It didn't even make me mad Like in the sense of a taxpayer

You know, you could be like that's what they get. I was like great. No, I literally had that first thought. Then I had that second thought. Immediately that immediate second thought that you had to do. That was my progression. Yeah, how many people do you think want to sign up for the special forces? I mean, they probably got to, they probably got a boost there. Oh, yeah, for sure.

That gets loads of people want to get involved. He's a legend. I mean, I can't remember him being on before. Some organic kind of story about how Black Rifle got started to. Or he just got like really into coffee and then decided to start his own thing. Is that how it wasn't got like super boutique and bougie or how that worked out? Yeah, I don't remember exactly what the backstory was for. I mean, it must have been homage to the rifle, obviously, can be an soldier, but.

Well, that's why he has the rifle on that, kept him alive. That's the point of it, you know, and coffee is, you know, people want it. Yep. It's a great drug. For sure. Get that caffeine in your system. What are your thoughts on you and I are both on the same page about that? Like, I feel like that's part of my daily routine. It's just wake up and make coffee. I don't

put any sugar or anything in it, but it's just beans and water. Oh, you know recently I've been thinking I drink way too much coffee. Yeah, to be honest. Oh, dude. I drink a whole lot. I think when you know when I'm writing a paper or like doing anything for my school stuff, it's like all day. I'll drink it all day. But I don't, it's fine. I think it's okay. I mean, there's worse stuff.

I don't get all jittery. It's not a big deal. Get it in your sister. It's a good antioxidant too. That's what I heard. Well, they talk about the vaccine stuff, stuff right let's get into that vaccine passport and we spoke a little bit about that before the pod you were saying that LA is I heard it was in the I heard is in the works and this is all just via Instagram memes and whatnot but I like watch something about

how they're gonna implement what they did in New. But I don't know if that's just speculative or what. But the mass mandate, quote unquote, is still supposed to be on here. It's not like anybody's coming to any business telling you you need to do it. At least that I know knock on wood, I guess. But that hasn't seemed to be a thing. So I'll take that.

But at the same time, we were talking about having to have a vaccine in order to get into a restaurant or bar or gym. Bro, things are sliding. Are very slippery slope if that's the case. Like, I don't, I hope people... It doesn't really represent freedom. I hope people are realizing that you don't, I hope there's going to be some pushback

because I personally don't have it in me to go do that. Like, I just, no. It seems very odd. I remember a young age my mom in me to go do that. Like, I just, nope. It seems very odd. I remember at a young age, my mom saying something to me about that. She goes, if they ever try and do anything that you don't want them to do, and she was referring to in hindsight, it seems like this is what she would have

been referring to. She's like, do not do it. I don't know, something like that. So stood out in my mind, and it doesn't make sense that you're going to inject a foreign substance into my body to mitigate or retaliate against another potential disease that could come in my body and not allow me the opportunity to decide what I want to do for myself. Where is the freedom there? Where is it? Well, I mean, look, some vaccines in the past, like the polio one or measles, that was

like, everyone needs to get that, because so many people were dying of polio and it's a fucking awful way to die. So some vaccines are good, man. I don't think this fits in that category personally. Given all the signs. Well, yeah, people aren't dying or getting, like, maimed at the same rate, but, eat, look, part of this I agree with, but I'm not anti-vax. Like, I think that it's probably a good idea for everyone to get the vaccine.

It just shouldn't be a law or a requirement to then travel and or going to a restaurant. And for the record, that's the bit that's the record. No, I'm not anti-vaxx. I'm pro, do whatever the fuck you want to do. That includes that. Yeah, I think that's where we agree. That includes that. That includes everybody.

Like, that includes everybody. Whether you want to do it or not, do it. I'm not anti or pro, but I'm just going to do what I want to do and you can do what you want to do and I'm just going to keep going about my business like I've been going about it. So like, I don't know what like what world we live in where somebody thinks that they're going to tell another human what to do. And who like I was saying you, who's the benefit, like who's the beneficiary of all this? Like big farmers on the other side of this just cashing in, right? Is that not wrong? They're making a lot of money. What the fuck are we talking about? Like how is this not?

How I don't know I don't know how everybody I don't know how anybody's going back to doing what they told us to do before and somebody else was just telling me that in order to go this logic on this like and you could either get your vaccine or you have to wear a mask in the building but if you don't have the vaccine you have to wear a mask in the building but if you don't have the vaccine you have to wear the mask and vice versa I'm like or so we're still sold on the fact that these fucking bandanas are doing anything like what are we like what are we what are we doing like what are we doing it's just like you're playing some mind game with somebody that's like a little kid I'm like I'm not a little kid but grown up have some life experience like you'm not a little kid, but grown up, have some life experience. Like, you're not telling me what to do.

I don't know what to tell you. Apparently I'm not passionate about it at this point. Like, I feel like they've churned me into this guy. That's like, I just am so like, Well, you know, the only one that feels these frustrations. I wanted to go along. I wanted to help everybody. Like, I don't want to help. If I want to help everybody, like I don't want to hurt anybody, that's never the goal.

But the idea that somebody else thinks that they got something figured out that I don't based on a bunch of jargon that doesn't even seem, you have no idea how to thumb through what's real and what's not and what's biased and what's everything has like a different angle to it at this point. It's like, dude. I Don't know It's it's it's interesting time to live and I hope that I hope the masses are not just gonna bow down again I'm not saying that you need to retaliate But I will say that it doesn't feel like just that you could feel that tension

You know back in the back this time last year kind of thing It doesn't feel that way as far as like no one's like barking at each other about the mass thing. It might get like a weird look. Like I don't really wear it out. Wear a bandana on my chin because that's where COVID goes. I think it hits your chin and then it bounces on your eye. But if your knees are big, it can't get in your mouth, right? Oh, is that a no way? And as long as your knees are bent when you're sitting at it, let's talk together. If you're sitting at it, you're sitting at it, what's up, bud? Hey, stop. Stop.

Stop. I have a postman to show up. Hang on one second, I'm sorry. Doggie time. How you doing? How you doing? Yeah. Good.

Well, Garrett's going to talk to the postman for a while. You know, this kind of story is being rehashed and we're sick of it. I know I am. He just comes up because it's talked about on Rogan's podcast and to some degree it gets discussed. Like what we're doing is just talking as fans about something that is being talked about on his show. It's a frustration that continues.

And in some way, the dialogue that we're having, not hours in particular, but everybody when we, when this is discussed, is like, it's helping us come to some understanding of where we are with this. Like, what we're willing to do, how it should be, and like how government intervention of any kind does affect freedoms. Like what freedoms are we really allowed, like what freedoms are we going to allow to be taken away for safety? And how do we figure out which ones make sense or not? I mean, definitely not with the way

they handle shit in California. That's what I'm saying. Like, you guys are just walking around free as birds over there, right? Yeah, Montana doesn't care at all. And I mean, let's go. I mean, I've literally given a lot of thought to the fact that if they're trying to start implementing

this stuff again, it's like, I guess I'll just go to another state. I guess I'll just do it. Well, people are, you know, it's so often I have people up here that I meet and talk to that are like, I'm not going back there. I'm moving away. I've come to Montana. I'm like, they are leaving California and droves. It's real. I've heard. And it's for good reason. I wish that you know, these aren't bad people, these aren't like anti-vaxxers,

these aren't just people that just hate all law and order. Like it's nothing like that. They're just like, I'm not dealing with, like I don't like how it feels. It feels like oppression. It doesn't feel like a good move. I mean, who is out here like, oh, this all makes sense. Is there anybody that's like this all makes sense? Probably. They're probably politicians making the rules and then not following them and

going to restaurants and getting their haircut. They're people that it like do as I say not as I did. Did you hear that? I don't know where I heard this but I heard the Pfizer guy like went on vacation and they needed to have the vaccination and he wouldn't get his own vaccination. The guy who like owns Pfizer that could just be speculation. I heard that. I mean, I was like, where did you hear that? I guess did you hear that? I don't know, I couldn't be, I don't know.

If anybody has any handside on that, please reach out. But yeah, send Garrett an article. Get him up the internet. Dude, I wouldn't be surprised. There's a lot of fuckery. Like, I, I, it's hard to know what to believe at the moment. And that's why it's important to have, you know, these continue conversations or really smart people

on Rogan Show or Sam Harris' show or Brett Weinstein's show, even though those two are arguing with each other right now, go make sense of that, if you can. It's fucking strange times, man. Strange times and I was thinking of the future of like education and news the other day and I was like, you know what it might be Podcast exclusively I forget universities and all the worksheet and it might be this is where I'm not hours. I didn't trust I'm not gonna laugh but oh this is of the good

This is where I get 90% of my news is listening to these guys talk about current events and Different stuff I didn't know about case in point North Korea. I knew there was some going on there for the record But I didn't realize to the extent to the extent. I don't act like I was completely done to what was going on But could you find it on a map? If you just look to the globe would you be at a fine North Korea doubtful? I could probably get close I'm just being honest doubtful. I could probably get close. I'm just being honest. Doubtful.

I can get close. I mean, it's like real close to China. Yeah, I know there's a hemisphere. Yeah, people right. Get close. I know, man. It's fucked up. Well, let's wrap it up for this week.

Who's on this coming week, this great? Oh, Hicks and Gracie. Yeah, gracious. He's and I train with his son So I hopefully have some good things to say maybe I'll have a chat with Crown next week and get some inside scoop Dominate, he probably won't tell me shit, but you probably might be worth it. I'm gonna take a All right guys, thanks as always for listening. We appreciate you and like I said at the beginning of the pod, any questions, comments or something, write in, give someone a shout out, we give you a shout out, we appreciate the support as always.

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