Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 238 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Rhonda Patrick Et al.

Episode Date: September 2, 2021

This week we discuss Joe's podcast guests as always. Guest list: Eleanor Kerrigan, Dr. Rhonda Patrick and Laurie Woolever 5% of ALL SPONSORSHIP proceeds goes to Justin Wren and his Fight for the Forgotten charity!! This commitment is for now and forever. They will ALWAYS get money as long as we run ads so we appreciate your support too as you listeners are the reason we can do this. Thanks! Stay safe.. Enjoy folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail] Follow Garrett on Instagram here: www.instagram.com/gloveone

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Some interesting guests on that Eleanor will carigan is somebody that I've seen working and Doing comedy herself at the comedy store. Dr. Rhonda Patrick, it's her 10th time on the Rogen experience. That's a fucking lot of times. Let's just give a shout out to three powerful fucking females honestly. Right? It's a female heavy we was great and then Laurie Level I believe that close Look anyone the works for Anthony Baudin is gonna be about us that dude is undeniable I'm excited to get into that Yeah, I don't know what it is about that guy. You know, I mean, I guess I do that's so appealing, but like, what a fucking remarkable person he was. Seriously.

Right. Alright, let's roll back to Eleanor Carrigan. Yeah, she was a waitress at the comedy store for 12 years. She was saying, I knew she'd been there forever and moved up the stand-up which what a bullsy move. Wasn't that isn't that kind of a desired goal if you're gonna get hired at the comedy store? I feel like now that we've been messing this long enough and kind of getting a feel for like Ari and all the people that have worked there isn't the notion that you would want to. You don't get hired at the comedy store with the notion that you're gonna be like the bar manager You get hired because you want to be

Somehow involved with comedy or somehow involved with entertainment is that accurate? Yeah, for sure for sure, but I I think that there is also an aspect when you've been a waitress that long You kind of define yourself as that you know, you're coming in as a waitress and staying a waitress. And maybe there's a point of like, I don't know what they call it, like diminishing returns where if you don't make the jump to stand up, people have decided you are that position. And it sounds like she, even though she knew everyone well, she got kind of in that group. And then made the jump a lot later, which is almost braver. Absolutely. I don't know. That was what I was picking up.

I could see how you, because you didn't, because you kind of played on the fence for a minute, maybe that's, or you just stood back and learned. And I feel like she obviously got close to Mitzi and that would give her, I mean, there was a, there, she got a relationship that was probably like no other given the long journey. That's probably, yeah, that's probably what it was. I mean, it sounded like she knew Mitzi well. She obviously positioned herself as a very valuable member of the comedy store where she could make that leap. But you know, saying that though, even that, like let's say you're really valuable at the store, you know, on the operation side, that's a very different beast than the performance side. So to start to get up there and do stand-up,

which is like, you know, when she starts, it has to be open mic level. I mean, in your amongst comedians that already respect you for who you are in your position at the store, that's really bullsly. Right. I have a fuck ton respect for that movement. Absolutely. Because that is difficult to do. For sure. Yeah. Yeah.

That is very difficult to do. I mean, it's definitely some courage involved. It's interesting how much I like, or she sent me from Philly, is that correct? Yeah, that's right. I like self like self-deprived like 12 times. I like self-deprecation I'm like stop being yourself up so much, but I mean I like I understand that's just like a natural human tendency And she was like recognizing it, but I feel like it's the language you use in life is so like formative to how your life plays out, clearly, in a variety of ways.

Yeah, but she's a comedian, bro. No, I get it, but at the same time, she's like, I get it, and I like that, but there was a point where I was like, hey, like, don't beat yourself up so much, like, you don't need to. Like, you're good. You know what I mean? I don't know, I guess.

I don't know what the right words are that are, but she definitely has a backbone that's clear, like whenever she was like. No, I get it. I get it. She's self-deprecating, but that's probably what makes it great to be in a comic.

Right. You know? Like even that story she told about being on the West Wing. Right. When she was telling her mom, and she's like, mom mom I'm getting a wrestling right And I'm always tells everyone that she's in the West Wing Look to be honest. We've all been there with something. Yeah, if you really look back

Someone who'd you say something that wasn't the same and then you're like Dude, I remember my aunt. I remember my aunt, I was like, I want to go see this movie. There's something about Mary. And remember that movie and I was like, that was when I was like a kid and then she's like, okay. And I was like, like two weeks went by. I was like, I want to go see this movie. There's something about Mary.

And she's like, we'll figure out the name of the movie and we'll go see it. And I was like, damn it. All right, that's the name of the movie. And she's like, oh! Yeah, I mean, that's how that shit starts. It's just something small and then it becomes, you know, just this whole thing that now you have to go back and deal with.

It's just, it gets messy. What do you think about her connection to David Goggins? That was unusual. You know, I mean, look, we could say, like, when we do the review, right? So we're always talking about Goggins based on him being on Rogan. But what's to say, what Eleanor's connection

with the Joe Rogan experiences? She's just a person that's trying to find motivation for what she does out of, you know, whatever she can. That's kind of what it felt like to me. I mean, and oh my God, what a fan. Yeah. I, I, though, I can't imagine the percentage of people that speak, the way she speaks about Goggins, the way I mean, we all, it seems like a community of people

that just, he's influenced, because I feel like my brother always calls me Goggins. Like, it's like a new, it's like a new adjective to use than behavior, which has got to be the thing that he probably thrives on the most. But I mean talk about I love it. I love the thought process. I love the conversation. Well you all psycho with your workouts. I'll give you that. The text that he wrote to Joe that Joe read about Honest Berkday was like that is if you

wrote that to me I'd fucking be like all, I'm gonna go cut down a mountain and Dive to the bottom of the ocean and figure out how to fuck Since I have known you all you have done is like challenge like you've actually bet me money Did you basically Almost impossible physical tasks when ever you've had a chance to and you and you've been and I'm like Number you number one either this guy has a really bad gambling addiction or he wants to challenge, but what I noticed is like, I, I was so determined to be even though it was like impossible level challenges, you never got upset when you lost. It's a win-win. You were just so happy that I did the thing.

And I'm like, this guy is a fucking psycho. I watched my buddy lose 30 pounds and 30 days because I paid him to this. I remember that. I paid Joey 200 bucks. I was like, lose 30 pounds and 30 days. He's like, you won't. I was like, do it. Last day, he's five pounds short. He's like, he lost the 25, he was, he was dedicated because he wanted to last day, down five. He puts trash bags on his back.

And I mean, this is Arizona heat, like around his whole body. I've never seen a dude look like a crack head. It's like 110 degrees. He's running around the block, like, and where I have all my buddies over in my house and we're about to do the like a crack head. It's like 110 degrees. He's running around the block like and where I have all my buddies over in my house and we're about to do the like weigh in. And he's like one pound over. He's like, fuck! He goes back out and goes around the block like two more times and comes in and weighs in under. I'm like, yes, I walked into my room and just hand him the 200. I was like,

best 200 I ever spent. Yeah, that's my point. I think you're convinced like you are determined to lose. Yeah, it's almost like you would be ice-sweated God when you paid me for the step challenge. I was like, this fucking asshole is actually happier. I did this 100%. 100%. I wouldn't, I mean, what's money, dude? It's fucking, I it's fucking I love watching

I love watching people like kind of reach out of there like that processor out of there like comfort zone that's Stairmaster. I mean it's not a it's not a It's not for the weary I can tell you that yeah, it's not for the faint of heart I can tell you that. Yeah, it's not for the faint of heart. Yeah, that was brutal. Especially because the way you guys went about it. This is how this asshole did this. So I started at a gym, my gym, and they were like,

what was it, like a thousand steps in 10 minutes? Yeah. Was that what it was? I think we gave you 11 minutes. All right, yeah, something. All right, steady on him. I think we give you 12 minutes But you know, yeah, no chill out

The here's our went so I got to my gym I started on the machine and both him Garrett and his brother would convince that this machine was not what it was lack it was not it wasn't regulation That is the biggest pile of bullshit Not ever heard so not only did I like warm up get ready for this start going and they're like we don't like your machine We're gonna drive you to our gym Which took like 15 minutes And then I had to sneak into that gym,

because I didn't have the membership to get on their machine so they could become the world. And Hines, it was really real suspicious. In Hines, you already warmed up, so we probably did you a fucking favor. Yeah, whatever, at that point, I always determined. Mine, I would have died. Mine, you guys, we're at the night night before he's popping whiskies and smoking cigarettes just

to like fucking prod me and I was like this guy won't do that. Well, I did add like 250 y'alls to the bat so it's not the worst. Not the worst exam. The good point. I had to do it. I agree. I had to do it. Don't you? I like that story about talk going back to Eleanor whenever he said that there was like a shooting

at the store and she was like so looked upon as having like kind of the tough filly mentality that whenever she was in that back room with Mitzi, she's like go get me a grandma and all the other people were looking at her and she's like you're the tough girl or whatever and she's like Fuck what the fact that she left that room to go pour it Like how fucking bullsies that shit. I kind of love it Dude to be honest. I don't know it depends I don't have the whole story but there are plenty of versions of that story where I would have not left and got to drink right that's reasonable I mean there'd have to be multiple shots for me. Why not to leave? Oh

Relax How close are they what what's going on, Sean? I think he just braved. You can't take one shot. You can't take one shot. You're gonna fuck. Yeah, sure. I don't know, bro.

We don't have any guns in England. Not really? No. Wow, that's interesting. I mean, the farmers. Shoot off the sheep. What are you shooting? I don't know, foxes. Okay. Big site. Joe goes over largely produced podcasts once again. And I think that's an interesting

point to like pick up on just because of, you know, when it comes to like regular media, as we know it, like you almost can't help but notice with a lot of podcasts you listen to, they get heavily produced, right? So I mean, you know, not to take away from anything, you know, any guys that do the other review podcast, but they already have like four or five guys plus a studio, right and I just wonder when I don't know like

Rogans is the top podcast in the world yet people are applying these old formats to to formats to to like modern podcasts. I mean, who knows? Maybe it's just like it could just be a friend thing to that people. I mean, I can see the value and having one to have more people around. Just the way he describes it, the way Joe describes it is like it's too many moving parts, but I don't know if you if you can conquer it and you can hang out your friends and do it then more power to you, but I agree to the more production seems a little less, not less, just different, but a different dynamic. I think simplicity in life is there's a lot of value to it.

Yeah, I think so. When it comes to this, because too many moving pieces, right, when it comes to this type of like media is like probably a better thing like Look Joe takes his guys on tour when he wants to chat with him Right and hang out with him and laugh with him. He's got two guys Probably that open for him Maybe three if Joey does not want to show up So you know he's got three guys with him, but he only has two that does the podcast.

That's it. And how much more simple could you make it other than him editing it himself? That's as minimal as it gets. I think that's really fucking impressive. I think it's kind of narrative to his life doing the success that he's had. It's like, I mean, we beat the dead horse,

but it's like focus on the things that you can control and focus on the energy is necessary. It's like, you don't need all the other extra, you know? I don't know, man. I feel like if we go beyond two, as the reviewers, we have lost our way. Fair enough. I don't know.

That is me. That might just be you. You probably wanted to edit it. I don't know. I don't know. I just need a couple of booters in my room. I'd be good. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, they talked some shit about baseball on this one. Oh, I wanted to hit you up about that All right, hold on before you get into it let me go in. I want to talk to you brother Your brother has a really legit Baseball coaching program for what I understand even an app that is like legit for people that want to use batting cages cage list dot com What is it called cage list dot com? even an app that is legit for people that want to use batting cages. Cajeless.com. What is it called? Cajeless.com.

All right, we'll put a link for that if you're in a baseball. And then you work for him occasionally. Let me shoot a little, him with a shout out to made baseball. Now that we're talking about it, and Joe did hate on baseball, so let me go ahead and comment on that, but you go ahead. Well, I was curious because I know you I tried big fan of baseball this year at time. I tried to write it out and I I appreciate his sentiment because his base is this calm. I heard that he was saying he was saying it's a skills game

and he heard that from somebody else. And I appreciate that thought process. But in that he was saying there's less athletic ability. We shaped that thought process, but he was saying there's less athletic ability. His reasoning made semi-quazisense and the fact that if you're a conditioned athlete, he was thinking about it from a cross-country standpoint or I think he made some kind of reference like long distance runner that's conditioning. He's like, and she was saying, no, no my brothers more of a strength train guy that just wants to go out and bang baseballs in the universe and I was like okay. Skills game is one thing but you have to be incredibly athletic to make the plays that you play and on my

Joe show me show me you hit a 90 mile an hour fastball like it like in a split second and then okay let's hit that ball to the right or left side and then that person makes the play after the ball just comes off a wooden bat so now it's traveling at what I don't know the science behind that but now it's traveling a billion miles on I think it's two billion but it's to call this skills game is of I mean that just is disrespectful to some extent. You're right. So let me get this straight. That upset you across. I mean, but to anything he said to his credit and there's a there's a handful of players like I did that just if that pop into my mind are true ball players. I mean, I don't

just ball players that have somehow figured out the way. And in the same respect, it's like there's players that are outliers. John daily is a golfer that's not athletic. There's a lot of golfers that are athletic, but I don't think any game that I think would be called skills would be golf, I think, but you thought to be an athlete to be a golfer to absolutely. I mean, skills game is, uh, I would think chess is a skills game for me. Yeah, but what is he, what is he saying, then? You could be like massively powerful, but not having endurance.

Like, what was his point? Uh, I mean, what is he, what is he missing? He was talking about conditioning, I think, because because he because I'm sure he's seen like yeah, how much how good do you does your conditioning need to be around the bases? I want to see you run around the bases, but it's 60 feet. I really I'm not giving you a hard time All right, I'm trying to get to the fucking truth about this I mean, there's it's just like running-yard dash. If you can't run the bases, you're missing, I guess you can call that another skill. Because if you can't- If it wasn't the candy bar guy, the, um, Babe Ruth, wasn't, like he was fat.

Shut your fucking- Like how fat he was. I'm English. Relax. Don't give me a hot time. I got here in 1997. He's basing his arm out. Sorry, I'm not completely on a baseball. I'm like, I'm here in 1997. He's basing. Sorry, I'm on a clean on a baseball.

I'd be a brute. Bay, brute candy bars. What we're basing it on. I see. Yeah. That's fine. Um, just come hit a baseball and then we'll call it a skills game. I know you shoot a bow, but I just want to see you had a baseball. I've seen you shoot a basketball. Oh, all right. Get defensive with me is not helping a lessen us. I'm just, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I think I, here's the deal.

But he ran around the bases, right? He didn't have a problem. I want to see what. He doesn't like lean. How lean do you need a B? I mean, it was like, what? You can say that for anything. Shaq wasn't lean.

You're the best, one of the best basketball players, most dominant basketball players, there was. Good point. All right. All right. I think you can call it, I think that's just, you can call anything a skills game. You can call it jujitsu a skills game, couldn't you? Yeah, we got a fact, guys.

Right? Yeah, we got heavy facts. I wouldn't imagine Joe would qualify jujitsu as a skills game yeah I wonder it almost sounded like it a little bit of hate I don't know a bit of baseball hate I know enough to be sure I think it's just not knowing enough that's what is what I want to count that to it he always says he's he always makes references the basketball and baseball and football it's not like I can't criticize them it's just like he's just like brother is gonna love this. He's like skills game. Oh you try and

throw a ball on a plate that's fucking 12 inches from I mean there's a lot of things and a lot of scenarios and it's just like jujitsu. It's I mean it's all sports. What would you say is the most It's just like jujitsu. I mean, it's all sports. What would you say is the most? What's your opinion of a skills game as opposed? I would think skills game. I mean, I don't know Like what's athletic? What's not dude? I mean, there's no doubt to me From the very limited knowledge I have about baseball that you need to have like physical strength for no doubt To hit a ball for and ball for him, like. Yeah, and dude, if you've seen like, when they, okay, so you stand in the field for a long time, and this is coming from someone that knows very little,

you stand in the field a long time, but then you can like, do those types of dive catches? In the end to the second. Like sprint, catch it in the most ridiculous way I've ever seen with your floppy little gloves. And then you throw it back, like precision. Like dude, there's no way that that's just, I mean, that's the kind of thing that requires a mass.

There's a lot of, you probably have a athletic ability. There's a new guy on the angels show Hey, a Tony. I'm probably pronouncing his wrong incorrectly. But he's like a huge fan. Are you being sarcastic? You need a Google this guy. Yeah, I have no idea. I don't even know if the angels are California angels or Anna high angels. But he's he's one of the he's like the new And also, he's like the new hybrid player. Like, he's the best pitcher. He's the new Babe Ruth. He's the D.H. too.

He's hit more home runs and hits the ball and throws the ball harder than like anybody. He's a cova. It's an amazing feat talking about Babe Ruth. So I don't think I just it's just not knowing enough at the end of the day. She I yeah, that's that's that's reasonable. That's what I wanted to know. It's fair. I mean, it's yeah, you gotta be an athlete to play baseball. You could you can lack in some departments. I will say but in order. Well, they spent like what half the podcasting it about me love. So it's good point. Good point. So honestly was some of the best just seeing Joe

I've heard in a long time. I agree just seeing Joe out fun is a good time for me. Oh, yeah He was ever in a blast and to be fair like me love has some legendary songs. I mean, it's it's not a thing that like you would I don't know really Maybe it's just me, but where's the other thing he would openly admit to, but it's legit. He's not my guy to be honest with you, but where's he from? Is he from, you know, his stature is here. UK guy. I don't know. No, he's US.

No, I think he's UK. Don't like him. I don't dislike him. I just, I don't know. Dude, that was the last of the like ballad rock. Yeah, I like the way to describe it Well, you don't like queen you fucking home. Oh, whoa easy chief. I don't I'm going. I did like going on Did you see Bohemian Rats? See that was a great movie? I? Didn't see it. It's worth I still have not seen that. I was a great performance, great movie.

For sure. Yeah, the guy from Robot, Mr. Robot was in that, right? Yeah, he did a great job. Did you think he was like Freddie Mercury in that? Oh, I mean, I didn't, I'm not trying to be silly. I didn't know Freddie Mercury, but I didn't really have a frame of reference either. But I think he probably played the role role well. I felt like a new queen after watching that.

Dude, nice. All right, let's jump on to Ronda Patrick. All right, heavy. Heavy, you're a fitness guy. Let's get your feedback on like the top points. Now, when I started this podcast, Let's get your feedback on on like the top points now When I when I started this podcast I thought a lot about how um

I don't know with soon guess like how the information was being passed, right? And so with people like run to Patrick you almost need like a fucking spreadsheet afterwards. I couldn't agree more. What's her exact title? Do you know? Because I keep trying to tell people about the podcast and I, she is a clinical scientist or like, what would you, what do you, what do you, uh, she, I think she has a PhD in fuck. I don't even know.

Hold on. Because I feel bad saying like, because obviously she has a great influence and a great, Peach the in fuck. I don't even know. Hold on. Because I feel bad saying like because obviously she has a great influence and a great like Circle of knowledge, but I didn't know what her exact title was and I'm sure when we get into this about I don't obviously COVID's gonna come back around, but he's a cell biologist Yeah, cell biologist that makes sense sense right cuz the way she talks about things Yeah, there's a few things that she's gonna be able to do real well, and I mean Maybe there are the cell biologists that are like nah, you know we can all do that I like that she prequels ever she always prequels everything with I am

XYZ so I'm not an Expert on this, but this is my opinion. I know that's what you're asking me. She's been on 10 times, and she seems pretty legit. At this point, I would imagine that people would have called her out on her bullshit if she didn't know what she was doing. I think she's a very viable source. He wouldn't ever run otherwise. That's not not that yeah, I couldn't agree more. I was just

She's comes from such like a biology standpoint because she was talking about how things enter the cell and how think how like All the entry exactly spread sheet would be the way to put it because how she was talking about how things like expand and the proteins and All kinds of things that are way above my pay grade. Yeah, which is the point, right? It's like a bunch of fucking meanheads, like us, like listening to this, trying to make sense of it. And we're like, okay, well, what the fuck are we getting out of this? I had my head. So now they were talking fast thing, right? That's a big part. She's on keto. Keto is harder than fuck. Now, when I did keto, I did it for like six months, and

I tested my ketones every day with those ketone strips. And the amount of people in Santa Monica that I talked to that said they were on keto. And when I talked to them about how they were doing it, dude, I was 100% sure they weren't keto. And when I talked to them about how they were doing it, dude, I was 100% sure they weren't on it, because I was not hitting those levels that even she was talking about. And I was being as strict as can be. And the worst part about where I was living,

Santa Monica had a bunch of places that had like keto-friendly food. And it was, no, dude, it was like shit, it probably had carbs in it because it would knock me out constantly. So I'm not surprised that she was saying what she said. So just so anyone out there is listening to this, the thought they did it, if you want testing yourself

that way, try it again and buy those trips because they are cheaper and it's really fucking difficult to get into it. And the point is though, why even do it at that point? Like, yeah, your brain works, Pata, you can think Pata, whatever else. Well, let's rewind and not just novelty, your brain works better Bata, you can think Bata, whatever else. Well, hey, well, let's rewind and not just novelty, your brain works better. That should be a point of point. Well, but hold on, like you can think Bata.

That's what I'm saying. Enjoy it exists. Well, why are we pushing that to this side? Like that's not a thing that value. Like that seems like, no, I don't mean it's not. I don't mean with you, but I mean, it's a fucking, that was literally, it's a lot of what that was the only thing I drew from her talking about cutosis that seemed valuable.

I was like, I love food too much, but the fact that my brain might be clear. I was like, hmm, maybe that might be a reason to evaluate that. It's a hundred percent better, but you've got to you really can't drink alcohol from what I found. And they talk about no-cob alcohol, like you could do maybe straight like a tequila or vodka. If it's highly distilled, right? So vodka was like, be highly distilled, vodka like six degrees of, I don't know, whatever they call the distillation rostrums. I know your time.

You know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about it. Filtration, I think is what it is. Yeah, something, yeah, that's it. But it's almost like not even worth it because you do like two or three shots, it kicks you right out. So you pretty much, if you wanna do Keto, you have to be sober.

But the thing is, hearing her talk about like not one, I would just enjoyed cauliflower mash today. Like she would call a flower mash, kicked me out, and I was like, oh, I couldn't eat this. I was like, that just sounds like shit. I work out too hard, I'm not sure. Well, I noticed that too. So I I would do this my mom used to send me these bread recipes And she was doing keto or at least she thought she was but she wasn't testing her ketones

But she was doing like super low-cob and doing She's it back in England and like making this bread out of eggs and other things. So any time I would do that, it would throw me out so hard it was like I wasn't in keto. Really? Yeah. That's what my brother and I were talking about. It's like it only takes one bad experience to kick you right out, right? Like one, you can't fuck up at all. Dude, I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I was just looking at the fucking ketone levels and just trying to pay attention to it. But it wasn't good, you know, and it was just like she said with the spinach. We do the spinach. You don't know how much you cook it. Well, you you can put, you know, those things that, uh, whole foods that sells you that giant finger ketones.

Right. I mean, sorry, not ketones. The spinners are big back. Like a five, like a pounded spinning. I know your time. Just throw that in the pan, and cook that with butter. And it whittles down, and then, like, two cups or something. Dude, not even.

You can add that to a steak, no problem. Easy. And then you're eating all of those carbs. But at the same time, you're in the back of my head, I'm like, I mean, spinach. Is that the wrong thing to think? Well, that's where it gets weird. Because like, I thought I've always been told that eating spinach is not bad for you.

I thought I was eating spinach. I was doing the right fucking thing. Right? I don't know. Maybe not. I don't. Yeah. I, I, I think you have to look, I, I think if you want to do. Keto, you have to look at those readings, right? Right. And with that, it becomes a whole process of testing. And I think everyone's different because from what I read online when I was doing it and this was years ago that you know people could have like X amount of carbs a day and it didn't seem to

matter how hard I worked out or like mostly was cardio I don't mean like lifting heavy weights but like rowing and like shit that would like wear my coves out. Right. It just seemed to boost my levels every time I did any sort of vegetable, even fucking broccoli. Well, and my girl and I were talking about it, it's like, you can do veggie keto too, right? How much harder is that? Well, honestly, probably not that hard because most of the keto stuff is olive oil and butter.

And I mean, if you're vegan, you probably wouldn't do butter, but, but let's say you're just veggie. Olive oil, butter, and, um, avocados. You do a lot of that. That sounds delicious. You could do it in veggie. I mean, to be honest, I, that's as disciplined I am as in fitness. Food is it Whole different ball game because I just feel like I always feel like I earned it like I feel like

Whenever Joe talks about like being a glutton. It's like I Just go hard and everything to be honest and that good batter otherwise It seems to be the formula that I've adapted and I don't know. I kind of an extremist but that said if I if I could jump on keto I tried it for like five days and by the fifth day I was like all right I don't know if I was clear or just fogged I'm like I can't eat anymore meat I want some vegetables in my life I wanted some fruit too like I just I just do it. I don't want to say couldn't do it. I just wasn't I wasn't as a can do it. Maybe I couldn't do it. How about how about we do a 30 day challenge where you test your ketones? I'm not opposed to we're going to write that up. I

would like to see I need like if I had to come back to it next week. I don't want to throw you in. No, no, I'm, if I had something to follow, if I had something to follow, I think that I can discipline myself. If I just had, like you said, a spreadsheet or something to look at, if I had something that was holding me, no, we'll get you a ketone test, though. Well, ketone tester, but I need, I need to know what I need to eat would be the biggest thing as long as I, that that would be because I would just be a Figure it out. That would probably be all right. We'd come back to this. We'll come back to this

But let's look at the other things. He talked about omega-3s. Oh, right. Yep. That's a big thing and I get lazy with that I don't take that supplement I sometimes think that I eat enough fish, but I don't know if I do to be honest Do you know how much fish do you? I haven enough fish but I don't know if I do to be honest. Do you know? How much fish do you eat? I haven't checked any. I don't want to say very little in just tune account but to be honest I don't really I don't seek out fish as often. Are we supposed to be? It was interesting them talking about like she was saying they were talking about sardines. I know Joe's made reference to sardines in the past and anchovies like just walk around with those.

What do you say? That was like arsenic? Yeah, but he was saying that sardines give you arsenic, right? arsenic, yeah, not good. I mean, well, I'm sure. I don't know, man. Well, he just, he told me that they give about seafood is like, it gives you mercury poisoning. Here's the soda. I don't even know what to stop with that.

And I know you're a scientist, but if life is teaching us anything, everybody has, we're all snowflakes, right? Like, there's not one, what? There's no cookie cutter away for anybody to do one thing. Like, there's benefits to everything, and there's like good options, but like, I don't know if there's an across the board thing. I never focused on Omega 3s, but the influence that she was talking about how they had, and they were talking about it.

Dude, Omega 3s sounds really important. And I've heard a lot of those then. I will focus on that. I've been listening to a book today too that was like talking about how important the benefits of coconut oil are. Have you ever embarked on that too or not? Oh, yeah, big fan. Yeah. When I when I did keto, I added a lot of coconut oil that I think they were talking about how important that was. But I was.

I mean, we got to get some omega three's in. Um, I don't know about the different types of fish though. It only seems confusing. Right. I, well, they just keep talking about ketosis and how they get there. It's like, it seems like an interesting journey to go on. I don't know. I think it's worth, I think it's discipline. Ultimately, she said it's the hardest thing she's done. What do you think's harder? You've done them both ketosis and carnivore diet. What's harder? Oh, dude, carnivore was a piece of cake. Cake.

Oh, dude. You could eat like that all day long. Yeah, steaks. Are you kidding? Steak and eggs, cheese. Can you eat it? Can you eat it? Can you eat it?

Can you eat a one sauce or not? Yeah, a little bit. Oh, I need a little bit. I think it's sweet. I might have some sweet. Like, you gotta be careful with the sugars. But like, a little bit of sauce. Yeah.

I mean, Keto is really heavy fats all the time. It's like, you live on fat. It's a very peculiar dog. A lot of them, compared to what we used to. I don't know. And they were talking about the benefits of fasting too. I think that we were just... Well, fasting gets you into ketosis, which is a weird thing.

You got to think about the early people. They were all in probably ketosis, right? The early people? Yeah, probably. And you don't like that, you don't like that scientific terminology? Yeah, I think you nailed it. Well, I mean, look, the inuits, you know, they, they get in there because they're just mostly eating fat.

And then through times of fast thing, you're going to get into ketosis. And then I would imagine the places that I have really bad winters back in the ancient times for the early people. They, I mean, they, they're going to have to, right? Because you're going to run out of the shit that you would keep for the summer, which is like, cobs, vegetables, grains, you name it. Unless you can like freeze a potato.

I don't know what else you could freeze. Good point. I don't know. You got to eat side on scene. And you think about, you think about hunting too. It's not a clear thing. It's not a cross the board. If you go out looking for a some to hunt, you're going to come back with it. There's vast majority of the day. Yeah. If you watch those winter shows like a blow zero or like survive whatever or less proud.

Dude, what the... like maybe there's a berry yeah or you get frozen you get one more rabbit you get one rabbit you are eating rabbits or other people you're pumped I mean I watched this I watched this like survival Alaska show on a flight just recently on the way back and I can see the complete benefits I don't, maybe I'm just lazy. I, when I was watching it, I was like, ooh, I could do that. And then I was like, I got home and took my Uber home and jumped into my bed.

And I was like, hmm, maybe this is better. I don't know. This guy like built a log cabin, I mean, to his credit. He's like, there's no more value than not having any options other than making it work and I was like this dude Let's find out. Let's do let's do a season of podcasting Where we're like in the wilderness that would be fun. Let's see how strong we are I am just like these numbers draw off everyone hates us. We try and kill each other and eat each other

Are reality to you. I think it would be so much harder than we could imagine. Oh my God. And I already know it'd be hard. Yeah. Just the cold weather isn't enough. Oh, you deal with it. You deal with it enough. Like, I heard people that I had this guy at the bar

talking about Milwaukee last night. And I was like, oh, I don't know. No disrespect to Milwaukee. I just, whether it seems to be such a dictator and behavior and for me and just like all around feel goodness. Yeah, well, didn't you grow up in Arizona? Yeah, I've been a sunshine boy in my life, so that's all I know is. Yeah, you don't know what it's like. I've been in the fucking... I've been in struggle through a winter. I've been a real winter. I went to Washington for a year

Come on. That's my that's really my only frame of reference and I was like all right. That's enough like maybe I'm just I mean with like whether it really dictates behavior and just like Person I don't want to say personality, but I mean Obviously, it's produced a lot of Amazing people because a lot of people that are successful come from the East Coast clearly, but Dude that's biased bullshit. I'm what are you saying people from the Sun? Doing really well. No, no, I'm I'm giving credit to the people that's what I was saying I'm giving credit to the people coming from the cold because they got us to survive. I'm saying we got it easy in the sun. Like we don't, yeah, yeah.

I'm guys have it. I'm giving it, I'm giving it credit. I'm not, I'm not hating. You're in sloppier than slosh. All right, let's jump over to a Lori Wool-ever. Oh, dude, this one's brutal. You know, I've been a fan of Paul Dane for as long as I could remember. Same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same Did they want to do that they are passionate about it comes from Poor day and energy. I just I just I just told you know I told right a book

I told my brother to a day that we were in the sauna I was like the only thing that board Danes Twitter's feed said was or Twitter bio said was enthusiast and I was like Man, that's all I really want to do. I got thought about the narrative that plays for life and the narrative that just, the energy that that provides. And I was like, man, if you can just be an enthusiast for life. Enthusiasm means entheos, which means in the spirit. So if you're enthusiastic about what you're doing, you are in the spirit and you are living what you're supposed to do. And now it's clearly what Anthony Bourdain was doing throughout his whole life. And I mean, there's been quotes that he said that I will never forget when I was in college. He said, I might be chopping

the subordees like live your life like a roller coaster. He's like ride that bitch. And I know that's like dropping knowledge. I love it, but it's so true, right? Like I've never told to you personally about Boydane, right? And you know, I think we've reviewed podcasts where he's come up, but this one is about him. Right. So to hear that about Boydane from you, and I've known you fucking years like it's that inspiring this guy is this is why Joe Was just is always so emotional about like he starts out the podcast upset like dude. I fucking tear it Dude I'm tear up like it's brutal this guy was just such a poet. I think with what he would discuss it was fuck the way the way The way she the way Laurie said I can't remember if it was Laurie or the way he said it like it's I think Joe minus

And he's like I don't mean to discredit anything that happened or to ever like trivialize suicide But he's like it's almost poetic. I think was the word that he used how he ended it. It's like It almost seems fitting. I mean, I hate to say that, but in hindsight, it's like it almost seems like that kind of puzzle piece fits for the whole story. It's like, he would, Well, you know, he mastered with like,

it, this sounds brutal, but it's like the fucking cork, you know, cocaine way out. Right. You know, it's like a lot of the people that he amires the most. Right. And I can't end up and not to be like more, but I fucking admire those same people,

like with the same kind of energy, to be honest, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, Yeah, but I don't think we do because they commit suicide. It's not like cold. No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. Or like, you know, you could take John Lennon who died early He didn't commit so it was like I shot right you could take a Jimmy Hendrix who obviously the experience was named after he didn't kill himself

But he died of an acid over those and like it's just people that die before their time that have Do you know do you know like incredible power? Do you know why Bob Marley died? that die before their time that have... Do you know how incredible power? Do you know why Bob Marley died? A foot cancer. Yeah, he could have cured... It's game cancer, but on his foot. Yeah, I think it was toe cancer.

He probably could have just cut off his toe. Oh, it was? I mean, I don't know that for any, I think that's the case. I watched that documentary. But he could have just cut off his toe and he's like, nah, that's not rasta. Really?

From the stories, I mean, there's the characters. Character is one of those things that you, it was in the same book that I was listening to. It's like, keep the things that you can put prices on with the prices on, but don't justify the relationships and the people that you have to put prices on those because Keep those things priceless Keep your character and your personality and who you are priceless don't put a price on that Because that will it's just not an option And when you live like when when did you come up with all these like personal quotes? They're not they're not great by the way and all these are no. I mean, when did you start memorizing

people that we were talking about? This is the most like intellectual I've ever seen you been. I mean, I'm trying to be more of a sponge these days, but bunch these days, but. All right, I'm googling Bob Molly's death. Yeah, my dad back in England was, so there was, there was a big influx, I think in the 60s and 70s of like, of like Island, like those Island area people moving to England. Yeah. And in like, it just took off to England. And like it just took off. And like Rasta, like that's where you be faulty came to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, right? And it was such, my dad was so like everyone was into it. I just got back from the Jamaica. I always loved it. It is interesting seeing people like use such a weird thing and this is no disrespect by seeing black people for me, like with a UK or like a, like a, your kind of accent.

It's such like a weird thing because I'm not accustomed to it. And in Jamaica, you'll see it like frequently. So it's like such a, really? Yeah, it's interesting. Dude, we have such reverence for them over there. Like it was just Bob Mali over there. Like, my dad used to have his like posters on our wall, growing up.

Like, it was just something that you know, and we used to jam out to Bob Mali all the time. I loved it, bro. Oh, dude. You never told me that. That's why I'm getting great. Oh, dude, the best, the best. I mean, you know, now I've moved here and like I see how different

the world is and like how big it is, like what a privilege. Right. Really. I mean, not everyone in England was listening about. Right. My dad just exposed me to like his, for any would always talk about how I, there was the time that there was an assassination attempt against them and He decided to go on stage the next day And they were like dude, you're gonna get shot and he was like nah, I don't care This is what I do. I'm sure you this is this is what I'm here for and I always remember that as a like a little kid I was like that is a fucking brave move He I'll never fall so I don't know how true that is but I was a hundred percent true

I've heard I mean I want to say a hundred percent. I wasn't there to witness it But I've heard the same exact narrative. I'll never forget about my equally said Center you rich and he said Possessions are you rich? And he said, possessions make you rich. He says, I don't want those kind of riches. I just want life to be like the most influential guy and fucking Jamaica at the time to say something like that. He's like, I don't want you money, man.

I want you money, man. He's good, man. Well, you listen to his music. Like, there's, that's the type of thing that like, I don't know what, like I'm... I don't know, when it comes to music, I like it, right? But I always feel like a novice. I'm like fat, like when it comes to fashion, I'm a novice, like I don't dress well. But like we know what we like to hear. And some things really speak to us. and like you can't not hear you know coco veins fucking you know teen spirit and be like okay that sucks you know you just can't do well the one I won't you're not wrong you're not wrong but you

can't put on a bad Marley song and not like Bob your head and like appreciate the words it's impossible I don't care. That's what I'm saying Like certain music to even to novice it just like this is speaking to me and I don't know why but it has a message So like something very special. I'll let you come back to that and clarify that I do want to talk about whenever he was talking and Joe was making reference that like how important travel is in life and Joe is making reference to how important travel is in life. I got to imagine that travel and experience and seeing other parts of the world has to be the single most beneficial thing for any human in this world. To see how other people live and to see how other people interact and to see how other people survive. And we have such a encapsulated fucking Truman show here in the United States that we have everything just so

at our fingertips that when Joe was making reference to like how he travels and how it's just like peeling away another piece of the onion. And it's like I could never ever put a better, like, or just tell anybody anything that would be more important than to travel and experience other people because it only helps you grow, you know, and not.

Yeah. I don't know, man. Like I, after high school in New Mexico, I went back to England and then I was there maybe a year, a year and a half. And a lot of my English friends were doing what they call a year-round, right? Yeah, yeah. So they take a year off college, which we call uni. And they just wanted to travel around and do that thing. I think that's brilliant.

Which is awesome. I think that's a huge experience. My girlfriend, though, at the time, Alex, she wanted, because she was going to med school, so she was like, real disciplined about the things that she wanted to do. She didn't want, she didn't like the idea of like, just going for a period of time just to have fun

Which was super annoying when you're 20 right as a guy Fucking discipline. I was such an idiot then. I mean, I still am but like then massively and I'm like You don't want to just go to like party results and like have have fun. She was like, no, I want to give back. And I'm going to do good things. I'm like, oh, okay. All right, whatever. And I loved it at death.

She was the best. And she said she wanted to teach for a school. Right. So we went to Sri Lanka and taught for an organization. And I was not into it. Really? At all. No, dude.

I just wanted a party for you. I was like 21, and I just wanted to fucking hang out. And I get that. And within the first two days, I realized there was no organization, no one knew how the teaching worked, no one knew how fucking anything was gonna go down. They were just like, there was like some company in England that are connected with these people in Sri Lanka

and they were like, hey, we're connected with students and you make a school. You make classes. So I felt really bad because I kind of went into it like expecting to be bored and annoyed But really I felt like I had this responsibility I have to figure out how to teach something Fuckin' it

And now I have a resume Dude Yeah, these kids were cool man They showed up and like now I was there with a blackboard Having no idea and nobody preparing for anything. Yeah, I know. It was that fucking ridiculous.

I don't think it's a ridiculous... I think that's an amazing fucking story, man. That went from... I think that's all. I think that I had an assembler experience not to Sri Lanka teaching kids, but I went to Guatemala and helped build an orphanage when I was like 17. And that was probably one of the most, I mean I wasn't like a Christian missionary kid either,

my aunt was like, hey, do you wanna go help, go travel to Guatemala for 10 days and do this. And I was like, sure, and I tried it. I mean, it was in the name of God, but more or less just going there, we poured the foundation for a dining hall for an orphanage when I was like 17. I remember I never got so much satisfaction out of the days, just carrying a wheelbarrow as a cement. It was the best thing in the night.

We'd go eat these bean tortillas with these kids in the village that were running up and down these mountains with no shoes, no lights, no running water, but the biggest smiles on their face. And I mean, that brought me back to when he talked about Thailand, too. I was just like, like, well, no, well, he was talking about what he made a reference. He's like, why are people in Thailand so happy? Like, you know what I mean?

You think about these things. Like, I watched a, and Sri Lanka as well. It's like, it doesn't take outside things to make you happy. It takes community and it takes. Like you can, that's what they said to me in Jamaica too. I was like, do you have any desire to move to California? He goes, because I told him where we're out, it's living in LA and whatnot.

He's like, ooh, that's where I want to go. And as we got a little bit deeper in the car ride, I was like, you sure you want to go there? I was like, do you want to go to California? He's like, yeah, but he's like, but Jamaica, he's like, it's community, you know? And when he said that, I was like, I was one of those like, price tag moments that I was like,

yeah, there's not a whole lot of people that probably are like, I left Jamaica. Like you don't meet people that leave like those kind of areas that are born there. A lot, I mean, I haven't met anybody from Thailand that lives in California have you or I haven't met anybody that lives in California from Jamaica are these like Titan or from Sri Lanka or I mean I don't know just like these tight knit communities that revolve around family I there's not a lot of these spots that I

think they're traveling these big cities because they don't see the value in it and I there's some quality to that. Well, it might be that they, it's like, you can't just move from Sri Lanka to the same. That's true. I mean, you're right. It's difficult.

I get it. But, you know, a lot of what you're saying is important. Like, I've never heard that story that you said that. But also, it makes me think that, you know, holy shit. Like, it just, it makes me think that, you know, holy shit, like it just, I know you and, and like, it takes something like that for us to be like really inspired, like to pay attention, you know what I mean? Like holy shit, this is fucking, and that's sad in a way, because we're not the kind of people that don't care about other people like we do, but you're not paying

attention to it in your 20s a lot of the time. Like if you are good for you, but you're ahead of the curve from at least where I was with my friends. And the fact that we got to do that in our experiences independently. It just shows how important it is for people to get out to those places. So they can see how it is. Can I just put this out there in the universe? I say we do one of these podcasts from Vietnam just in honor of Bourdain and the saying

that was his favorite spot he's ever been to. Well, that's right. That was his favorite spot. Yeah, let's do it. I know. Should we do it next year? Yeah. We could do it. I want to go to Vietnam. All right. Alright, next summer. No, wait, when is the summer in Vietnam? I think in the summer. Research the best time. That's more than hemisphere. Okay. Yeah, good. Let's hit it like before the rainy season. Let's get out there at a good time and let's let's check it out.

Hold us to that. I'm down for the 100%. Let's get back to the meat of the bull day in episode though because really as much as they want to talk about with everything that's him and you can watch the documentary, the suicide is really where it's at. That's where it hits Joe and that's the hard part. I had a friend early this year that committed suicide on a hike and we didn't get the reports back of the talks of back. Actually, I didn't talk to you about this Garrett until now, but we got the talks back and there was sleeping pills. It's fucking brutal. Like, beyond belief, I'd never experienced anything like it till this year.

And you know what, when I heard his part and when he started it up, like, I don't want to get too fucking sympathetic. But I got upset, man. I got real sad.. I got real sad, real fast. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

It's a tough bill. It's a tough bill. Yeah, and like Joe talks about like any set it multiple times like what is like I wish I was that I wish I could have talked to him I'm gonna say because we have listeners and we love you guys like holy shit Please reach out to someone reach out to us reach out to anyone Don't fuck around it like please. I know it's brutal It seems like the way that it's right. We do that. It's like it's such a I don't say it's an impulse thing because I'm sure that you think about it prior to but

To follow through is one of those like impulse moments where you could have just said something I just I don't know please reach out into the story. I mean, yeah, and I don't want to take anything away from those impulse moments. Like I could imagine that pain is so fucking brutal. And you've gone through it so many times and it's time you're like, no, I could do another week. And then you get to another week and you're like no I could do another week and then you get to another week and you're just like god damn it. But like if it's the difference between reaching out to us or reaching out to somebody like for sure and please do it we we we have time

for this. Like if life is tough, me anything, I'm sure you can be a testament to this a fucking Not to use a cliche term, but fucking pressure makes diamonds, boy So that's it the hardest parts are some of the times that make you the strongest in the most resilient That's it. I mean You know, we've all been in places. Right. You know, we for sure have. And if we can't help each other through it, I don't know. I mean, how many times have I thrown you back in the back of a mini? Oh, it gives me choked up thinking about it. It's like, it's a, I know. I know. It's just,

it's hard because, because he's show was so good. It was so powerful. It was so inspiring. He got so many people to think about traveling all over the world. It hits so hard for me too, because I know so many people in the industry that are like blood sweat and tears that stuff too. And it's like it seems to be like a community of people that have just that. Like, I don't know. I don't know.

He was obviously his own specific character. But I mean, the way people live the life in the industry, I hope, I don't know, it's just so weird. The way she was talking about being like the cook and she was a, she was a, she's an AA too, right? Like, I can't, I can't, maybe that was rude. Yeah, right. It's huge.

I mean, that's a, such a, it's such an awesome thing to see people say that too, like, just be authentic about it. Like, you'd think that that seems like, I don't want to say weak, but it's like, man, that's just good to see, good to see you be, like, seeing vulnerability is like one of the best ways to develop relationships and just see people for really who they are, you know? Yeah, I mean, I just did 115 days sober, which for our group is like a long time. That's all 10 years. Yeah, too long. And, uh, you know, it gives you, like, it's undeniable. It gives you clarity. Right. You know, um,

gives you clarity. Right. You know, it's, it's powerful. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people in my family that drink a lot, drink too much, have drunk too much, have passed away from drinking too much. It's, you know, it's a brutal thing. It's like, we're not going to get to a point where people of like, oh, you know, it's a brutal thing. It's like, we're not gonna get to a point where people of like, oh, you smoke too much weed

and you die. Right. Like alcohol is a, it is powerful. That's a good point. And you know, I don't, I, I don't know. But I don't believe that you can smoke so much weed you commit suicide. I don't think.

Would you say that? Like there's the suicide rate from smoking weed hat. Like if it even exists, it has to be very low. But from alcohol, it gives you this, these moments of confidence that a God knows what it is. And I'm not saying that you did it while drinking drinking but like I'm sure other drugs get you then And I don't know the whole story behind it. I There seems to be like a discrepancy, but the way that she described it. I mean it was incredibly poetic and and weird Not weird, but to be so in love that you are that

I don't know part of me wants to be that in love you know what I mean like it feels like it seems like he was yeah it's almost beautiful I know what I mean like it's like it's like wow imagine that kind of love you're that in love right see somebody else and then that would dictate your life it's like wow man yeah I don't know I don't know the narrative or the right prescription for that kind of situation. Oh, there's pain with love man. That's pain with love What a way to end Yeah, we don't get to choose man. We just were viewing like this is how it goes right fuck Yeah, these are tough ones man. These are tough. I mean at that said like fuck please anyone anyone listening anyone that's a fan like

This isn't the suicide hotline, but I swear to God you reach out to us like we're not gonna fucking not listen to you I'm done talking like talk to us send us a message. Please. Please Yeah Well guys, thank you as always for listening Garrett Great coach, my guy Yeah, so yeah give us a review if you can if you want to and You know honestly we we are happy with any type of review Do you don't have to kiss our ass? We love you. We love you just for tuning in paying attention

Do your worst. We love you regardless Yeah, all right. Thanks guys. See you next week you