Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 241 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Kyle Dunnigan & Kurt Metzger Et al.241 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Kyle Dunnigan & Kurt Metzger Et al.

Episode Date: September 22, 2021

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like seven days of that but I have never joined in to Tom Segera's show and and done that but man have I had a good thing so just throwing another what do you think there I watched that video and falling out of that it's funny it's lying but falling on that last one of those like this hard not to laugh every single time you see. I mean, it's so brutal. I'm so dumb. Like, the cup noise in its own right is just, the earth. Well, imagine how painful that was for him, and he made that into a very, not only teachable moment, I think, but like like he capitalized on a big time I mean a lot of people tuned in used to watch the calamity that was

Yeah, but also good for him that he was like almost what was it like almost nine feet that he was dunking on I mean not a bad effort. Well not a bad effort good work a little bit over I guess I guess But like he gave it a shot. Yeah, maybe a bad effort all of I hear maybe all along terrible But I hear what you're saying. We'll get terrible Maybe all along. It's terrible. But I hear what you're saying.

We'll give it a try. It's terrible. All right. All right. Who's up first? We got Billy Corbin. All right. He jumps in with some hard COVID energy.

Yeah. Well, he's an excellent document. Good story, darling. That's for sure. When I think of why? Yeah, he has a good voice for like podcast or just I like how he just in general it's almost I was just gonna say how he reps Florida so hard like you he gives me a good insight to what a natural flurry and would be kind of and that's not like

pinpointing any certain type of person but the way he's just like oh no like I don't want to say stereotypes but just the things that are associated with Florida was like it was kind of refreshing in some regard Yeah, he I mean I don't know that state all that well But like the way he was describing it it seems like He knows it and loves it still. You know, despite the chaos, he's like, I love this party. The party just doesn't stop. I don't think as long as it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't stand.

Nobody looks at anybody weird, done it like that. To be fair, I mean, our buddy Dalton is a big fan of that area. He's from there and he's, he's like an accepting non-judgmental person too. Yeah. You know? How are you saying that's how four people are? Uh-oh.

No, no, I just know that. Oh, that's what he was. Yeah. Like how he knows that it's chaotic, but also accepts it. Yeah, you could easily just be like, all right, that place isn't safe. You haven't spent on leaving. But he's like, no, no that Yeah, you could easily just be like all right that place isn't seeing I'm leaving, but he's like no, no, there's good stuff here There's like important Not really I've been to Miami once a fort lot of Dale. I used to fly like not fly out of there but go on those like I used to fly like not fly out of there but go on those like

Scooby-Diving trips so you know you go on the you go on the boat and then You know eat with old people for a week and then stop it a bunch of Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was good times good times Some wild stuff happens out there though for sure. I've only heard stories, but Dude I already hear your ice cubes. Are you rattling around guys? He's already I Swagarrot I asked you one thing before we started this podcast and you're like already rattling around ice cubes talking

talking about flirting I'll all clamped up I'm sorry if you spent much time out there no four days during COVID it was in Tampa but you would have thought that nothing was going on it It was awesome. It was a great refreshment. A little trip for sure. Yeah, I've never been out there at the height of some of them. And I would imagine there would be so hot and humid that that that would warm it in nuts. Banger for sure.

I mean, I'm from Arizona and every time people say it's dry, he is cliché as it sounds. It's very, there's a lot of truth to that because the humidity when you walk outside and you just feel like it's already gotten out of the shower is a rough pill to swallow. Hmm. Yeah, I mean, uh, Arizona is very dry. It's like in the Mexico, right? Arizona is very dry, it's like in New Mexico, right? Yeah, and that's more of the heat that I can talk, if I can do heat at all. I mean, being from England and as white as I am, I'm not designed for direct sunlight. So if it does happen, there has to be some other advantage I have, which is not humidity.

I mean, even spending, wow, but like, I really enjoyed Tennessee. A lot, I had a lot of fun down there. And that, that's brutal. I remember walking down to meet a friend of mine at a local bar from the house. And I was like, oh, it's only a mile. I just walked down.

By the time I got there, my t-shirt was so wet, it looked like I'd ran down there. I mean, it was embarrassing. I was like trying to draw myself on the bathroom. I'm like, I don't think I'm built for this place. I haven't slept, I haven't slept. No, it's a lot. I see, but I was out on the water recently.

I think I get it. It's big guys, sweat hard. It's what happens. Yeah, but I mean, what a history of a place. I mean you take the cocaine cowboys documentary and I only watched half the second one I kind of felt bad because I really love the first one So I should put a bit of time in I meant to watch it before this but They got what an eye opener to like what crazy of a world

and when he was talking about what Florida makes money with like their exports or like whatever and during that time the drug thing was twice a year of the industry. Trying to find places for money. That's like the main industry too, laundering money. Yeah, right? But doesn't it make you like you think

we have law enforcement, like we all are careful about the law, like you should be, you know, you don't want to get in trouble. But there's there's seven plus a billion dollars of this behavior going on down there, and you assume that most of it's just going completely below the radar. It's like, does this make you think that so much is happening that the cops are stopping like a huge percentage of it, so it'll be way higher or they're not even close.

so it would be way higher or they're not even close. It's like maybe it's nine billion, they slow down two, but they're basically ineffective. That's like best case. A hundred percent think so. It's so crazy. If you just took the wheels right off the thing, I made everything legal I've been talked about before. Yeah, you're gonna have an initial time

or some people are gonna die off and some people are gonna take advantage of some stuff But it's kind of the same idea. It's like guns don't kill people like fucking people kill people, right? So it's like I Don't know at some point in time. We do guns hell. I'll give you a boost there, but I'm just saying as far as like why are we handcuffed when people's decisions on what they can do? I mean, it's an interesting thing to think that somebody else dictates your life because of their experiences,

or they're like, well, what it comes down to is who they're being lobbied by, is what it all comes down to. But all right, so let's imagine that they nationally made cocaine legal during the time that Florida had the most cocaine running through it. Do you think even Florida would approve that? Maybe the government there, but like the people wouldn't, because then it's just legal everywhere and they don't have any... I mean, that's one point.

...in the message. Even the criminals would be against it. Let's keep the whole lot. It's a job. Let's keep this a big set of still there. Yeah, see you've already exposed the problem. He issued there, you know what I mean? You just said it yourself. It's a non-issue of the make it a non-issue,

but we were so, so many jobs and so many things like are recycled around it. Yeah, it sounded like entire industry held up by this during that time. So, and now a lot of people live in really big houses, you know, a generation or so later because of the impact of what do you say? Marco Rubio's family was like from Yeah, I bet he doesn't like to talk about it. It's so interesting how they start about all the contracts and what not that are all written for like those bridges and what? You know when he was saying, you hear about that?

How those bridges were collapsing. It's like yeah, yeah, that just seems so naive. I don't know. I don't know. It seems when you're not funding an operation because of the contracts. I'm saying it's like, yeah, yeah. That just seems so naive. I don't know, I don't know. It seems when you're not funding an operation because of a contract situation, but you know that the bridge is potentially about to break.

It's like, what is your job as a government official at that point? I thought that. Yeah. I think it's the only deal. It's the only deal. It's not as much money as you can. Where's my pay off?

Where's my pay off? That's get is much money. Yeah, I like the I like the thing about the bands How he was sent to the rock bands would yeah, they would have a code for cocaine. What the fuck I was a piano team Yeah, well through the piano keys I could play. What was that? Yeah, yeah. They've been like $9,000 on piano tuning. There's like one piano in this album. A lot of good music, yeah.

That's why you don't want to get counts too close to your rock band lifestyle. Keep your distance. I'm going to mess. lifestyle. Keep your distance. I'm going to mess. Yeah, keep your distance. It makes a lot of sense. Those are the lives. I did find it interesting about those iguanas that

are cruising through the trees, and they freeze up, and then fall down, thaw out, and run away. That's kind of fucking scary, huh? Well, there's a lot of you know crazy animals there in Florida to be honest I mean I I don't know big ass snakes and the alligators, right? Or is it crocodiles? It's alligators? Yeah, big ass. That's it. I mean Yeah, big big ass back down to big ass iguanas

Yeah, a bunch of fucking rap talk. Well, it wasn't Let's go to tell you something about I'm gonna keep filming Florida to handle it then No, I don't think so. I think there was like Texas No, I don't like so. I think that was like Texas No, Texas is Let's have a look Well, mate. No, like maybe Oklahoma or like somewhere close to that tug-a-king location All right, bear with us. It's great. That was Tugging King okay, you reckon yeah, it might be I don't know

Tugging King OK. You reckon yeah it might be. I don't know. I'm way off. It's not getting. It's not getting anything. Anyway wherever it is that's also a crazy place. Is that a cannon? Oklahoma. What would you make a diary? I have a theory to do a documentary What do you think would what would what would what would war and a documentary from your perspective?

Yeah, if you ever heard of that guy. What's his name like Louis someone? He's been on Rogan a bunch of times He's a English guy He's been on Rogan a bunch of times. He's an English guy. Louis, documentarian. He, I should remember his last name, he's very good. But he, he like infiltrates places, like religious cults, like really gets in there. Man, I feel bad that I can't remember his name.

But that's kind of how I'd want to do it. I want to get like right in there and see what fucking... Oh, maybe a human on one? Like, get right in there and like see where this came from and like why people think about that? Because it seems so absurd to me. I mean, all the, you know, you take the far left right there wakish shit Not to but but the q1 I felt like had the best chance going way off the rails Like you could you could take

I bought it like give me an example how Well, I think it is of it, like they thought that people were like bleeding children for a certain type of blood to get their dreamer chrome. And that, that's dark, right? So, so let's say like no, let's not take anything away from the QAnon thinkers. But if you heard something that heinous could be happening and you believed it,

like all of us as humans should be like, well we're definitely against that. That's definitely the worst thing you could do So we got to do everything wasn't there some crazy shit about pizza gate and all that too. That's pretty come in Well, yeah, that's all the same kind of crazy like propaganda stuff, right? Yeah, yeah, right and and I mean I Yeah, yeah, right. And I mean, I don't think there was a ton of real good evidence to support it. But if you look at what they're doing, like the tenants of it and other worse, like they

think that maybe the worst thing they've ever heard is happening and they should do something about it, that's a good thing, right? If you hear a bad thing is happening, you should want to stop it. The, yeah, in theory, but the fear there is like, how did something like that start? And after that, are we just coming up with, you know, if you're, if you ought to make your own conspiracy, wouldn't you then take the rules of like picking the craziest shit we could think of and being like that's happening, we need to stop it. And that's like the fastest way to do that.

And that feel like you just, you just described now, right? And I've asked or like anything that's going on with COVID right now. I mean, in a lot of times, so many different levels to that, but yeah, that's like exactly how it pans out. It almost feels a little less nowadays. It does. The days progress, it seems as though I don't know what you have to say on the news for people's minds to be like perked up at this point. And I don't know how much confidence people have still in this government.

If you do, I don't know what to say. I don't know one way or the other. But all the things that I observed have not made me have any kind of confidence in anything that anybody else is telling me at this point. And not that it's like an anarchist kind of thought process. But I think we were, so you're not listening to anyone. No, not at all.

That's not my point. I'm trying to take like educated thoughts and formulate my own opinion on what's going on. But to believe one way or another based on to some like narrative you hear or a story that you catch on Instagram seems to be like what people do and change their mind and the daily. And it's like, how are you making your decisions on? I'm just considering my health as the primary and paramount thing in my life and continuing to make that the goal to make that what I'm focusing on and to know that the thoughts and the attitudes and the habits that I'm trying to like continue on are positive.

So it's like that it's making them slight, you know fair enough on you drinking a white glow right now I really or a true it's really it's only one It's only one oh that's how we okay. It's only one fair enough everything a moderation It's that that's not bad advice all right. Let's jump over to Kyle Donigan put it and What's this make that screw forgot Kurt? Yeah, let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad they were both on I will start by saying that I feel like a little bit Kyle was struggling to To like find space to talk a little bit

well I think Kyle I mean Kurt and Joe have maybe stronger personalities so Kyle struggle a little a little bit to get his voice out of there and and that's okay like that's how it was but like Either way, I'm a big fan of both of them or what they're doing. I just I felt kind of bad for Kyle Seems like he can get his voice out I enjoyed it. I thought that I thought he was hilarious. He's such a gem, dude. Dude, if you watch the Star Trek, I'm saying that they've done it, but I've watched so many, so many of his videos that it's so good. Joe's referred us to as just like hands down, just laugh out loud shit. The Star Trek it is brilliant. It's basically he's just put every character, but Kyle can do well in the show. And even Elon is the engineer guy, like Scotty. And he's just, how he retracts.

So he was on Bill Mar. That was pretty funny. You heard his impersonation of him, yeah? Oh, yeah, yeah. He was really good at doing Bill Maugh. He was talking about how he took the private plane with him over there. And they actually probably, like, really good friends. But he kind of probably went overboard on his impersonation. He said Bill Maugh got a, but what everybody can do.

You know, did you think that it kind of sounded like because he was dating Sarah Sullivan and Bill liked Sarah Sullivan that he used kind of annoyed with car. It's interesting. I think that may have created something like the semi feud between them. but it is the thing like you take those frustrations out of it They're both very funny comedians, and I'm sure they would get on just fine But you know you get you get chicks involved, bro It's it's gonna create some tension Sarah Silverman is super I mean I will say that she's I know you don't think so unattractive woman, but it wouldn't be my go-to lady

All right fair enough doesn't seem like I got a lot for you. Yeah, she's great. But so many of the skits they're doing, the podcast is really brilliant. Yeah, what's the other one? They're like, is it, what is it called? Sassy guy. Yeah, like throws his glasses off for the time.

That's the same. Okay. It's, yeah, that's the one good. That is so funny. I want to I would like to. Yeah, he just crushes it. And it's so crazy now that like like Joe was saying, this is maybe the funniest show comedy sketch show that exists, right? So whether you think it is or not, it's definitely good. It's way up there. I mean, some of those skits are absolutely brilliant, yet there's still no space for it on television. Like even Netflix didn't buy this for whatever reason. And I feel that Netflix was just taking a look at how South Park has just somehow maneuvered and dominated

through all this bullshit. They still have like the free pass like Dave does basically. Yes, but you know, I think even Kurt talked about it. They like South Park have it like their place, you know, and probably made space for other Things like it, but no one gets the free They really yeah, they are like the forefront they like the tip of the spear for and thank God they also became Really the most popular thing when it comes to comedy. Otherwise, you know, you wouldn't know how important this is. It's almost like they've been told, look, this is the funniest thing. So if you can figure it out with your lawyers and the bullshit producers,

make it work and find other shows like this. But if you can't, I guess we just keep South Park where it is to two Valley. But we need more of that. I don't know how you open that space. I don't know how you open that space now. It's like, how do we come back from that? Because it's woke the thing in the future is the woke the thing in the now. Because is it gonna just, I don't know.

Dude, everything kind of comes around goes around. You just can't let any direction like far far left far far right like you just can't have any extreme philosophy but become the most dominant philosophy I think. And if you can just kind of slosh around in the middle, some way, even if it's ugly, it's like for everybody in Rob's. Slosh in the middle. Yeah, so much. I pitch that. Slosh in the middle. That's the new, that's the T-shirt. Slosh in the middle. What did you think of the men a quality video? I kept I kept having a I kept pressing 14 seconds

I'm so crazy 15 seconds back just like a real watch it and then watch real fair on to it today like Verbex verbatim yeah, I listen to that like three times and I often don't We want a broken podcast, but I just had to make sure what I heard was true. I couldn't believe it. How do you get that? Do you walk out of it? And then you're like, go give your wife a hug and a kiss after you do that. Or how does that work?

No, you apologize towards me for how much of an asshole you've probably been. Oh, that was fucking un... The fact that Will Farrell one was like a bit, they hit him the same. They didn't change it, they didn't want to. They're like, no, we're just gonna work. It's fucking priceless. I didn't know I was a real thing. I was enlightened by that.

Yeah, that was a real thing. Real people did that. And, you know, I think their intentions were good. I don't think their intentions were bad. But like there's some underlying thing that they're doing. There's like a vanity thing. And you're like, I'm better than you because this is how much deeper I've thought about this.

Like I think that's like, I don't wanna say it in time. But like I'm more I'm more enlightened than you to this fact this is why I feel this way it's like come on yeah she meant from yeah I don't know I mean it's it's easier to just be like I don't think those guys do hard physical things that kind of sound shitty because maybe they do right and maybe they're also very sympathetic or maybe they have a sister that was a lot of you know someone they know there was yeah maybe but maybe they had someone female they know there was really hurt by some guy I'm not I'm not saying the problem is a video like that is

not going to sell this but, that's not the crowd You want to hear I think this is a better way of Speaking on that behalf I know that would take some extra thoughts, but I Yeah, for whatever reason that was an interest situation. I didn't know that existed up until that moment I was an interest situation. I didn't know that existed up until that moment. It was very funny. And you know, it should be mocked. It should be mocked because it was too silly.

That's all there is to agree. And that's okay. I do. I would try and but it was. How much would you appreciate how Kyle basically is where he is right now the way he described that story in such like literal terms where he was like. So yeah, I got pulled on YouTube this time the other and then Rogan found my videos and here we are.

Did you hear that little like? I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't know. I know Rogan is talked about a lot. So Rogan probably think it probably understands that anything he talks about in a really positive way will get bigger. But yeah, maybe he doesn't know the impact that it makes always like fully understands it.

You know, I'm sure he doesn't like hit up Kyle afterwards and say, Hey, I talked about you a lot this week. Is that helped you? You. You know, he's got other shit to do, but it is kind of cool to hear back from it. And also, it's justified because Kyra shit is that funny. And getting the word out there on Instagram or YouTube is much harder than if a see like a Netflix picks him up and appetizes him a lot. Like that's going gonna be enough. So there's this new medium that we all watch. And you wouldn't maybe know.

So I just happened to already be following Kyle because I spent a lot of time in the comedy show, but I don't know if I would have known about his Instagram. Otherwise, so a lot of people didn't so though good for him for doing it like pointed out It ended also takes the power away from from all these producers and execs and TV shows that are You know, what a bottom-up people, man all these streaming force like Platforms are for creative people.

So it's nice to see what's come from it, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? They're getting pushed back to like even Joe moved away from YouTube. So it's almost like it's it's more like the the the infrastructure in place. Like the TV shows, even the social media media like everyone's on like you watch yourself Because the real talent is the comedy and

We they will find new avenues to get their message out there without being kind of constraint Whatever Comedy is almost sure they don't put on news to some extent if you think about it. It's I was you know what I mean like Do you think that stars it with the daily show? That's right. Yeah, right? so important It just became a thing that it was like the first time ever we had, I guess we had in a sense, you could look at like,

I suppose too, when I felt like I was like, in the know, because I watched that show, I felt like I knew some shit. Yeah, but like weekend update was a bit like that, and now, even though it was like clearly all hilarious, and they didn't make as bold a news points. But when John Stewart just started, and it's a very liberal show that the Daily Show back in the day, I think it still is. But

how they, you know, like you take that out of it, right? There was no real comedy before that actually went kind of fairly deep into stories and broken down. And now we have an off-shoot of the Daily Show, which is that. What's the John Oliver week? Weekly update or whatever? Yeah. And, uh, no, I don't think it's cool to have that. But anyway, yeah, that one is really good because he goes real deep, gets real serious and then breaks it up with comedy, and that's a great way to learn anything. I need to reinvest in time into that show I haven't been there. I've been so shut off from all the news at this point, too, to be honest. I'm trying to disassociate from any of it, because you can, like they've said in the past,

you can find anything you want that supports your narrative. Like literally if you Google it, you'll find something that's on there that supports it. So at this point, it's like you need to just start making some conscious decisions and what works for you as opposed to looking for outside entities to fulfill you. I mean, it's true. It's true. It's very true. Yeah, you gotta be careful with it.

I think a little bit. There's like a balance now between too much and not enough. And it seems like so much of it is bullshit that not enough is almost the better way to go. But then you just don't know anything Joe Rogan experience review podcast is brought to you by bet DSI You guys looking for a place to bet on NFL and NCAA football bet DSI as an industry leader in football betting the perfect sports book

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Aye, let's go. Peace out. Let's jump over to Anna Lembuk and finish up with the addiction one. I took a lot of notes on this, like I almost never do, but I found this one pretty fascinating. She's a psychiatrist. She said that addiction is changing the way we feel in the moment instead of just feeling how we feel in the moment instead of just feeling how we feel. So like you find a thing that you can focus on so you don't have to feel how you're feeling. What do you

think about that? I go back and forth with this. I was trying to be completely on board but like like she said everything is subjective when it comes to psychology and it comes to this kind of this kind of stuff. It's like where are you at in your head? What's going on in your life? How are you dealing with these problems? What are you being affected by? There's so many different outlining like variables that go in. So when it's like when it's you try and write like a subscription or a prescription to like a problem such as this it just seems like a It's obviously a case by case basis and you can say that about anything when it comes to diagnosing somebody but I mean, I don't know I think that's a slippery slope to say

Wait Yeah, but say that like let's talk about the one thing that Joe identified like not just gaming He knew that wasn't great, but let's take something like Paul that he talked about yeah Well, you can learn from it right you can get better at it. You can master it. You can You can appreciate like the geometries. I haven't played a lot of pull so but you know He's appreciating these things, but also he knows that I can't play this fucking eight hours a day. So is it that he just enjoys it so much that he can't stop playing it, or is it hiding him from some way that he's feeling,

which is what she's alluded to. It's like, is it becoming then a distraction that doesn't seem ordinarily bad for you? Because it's not like you're just drinking the whole time. You're actually trying to stay focused and learn something and be good at it. But is it potentially one of those things where you're like, it's stopping you, I don't know, doing and thinking about things that I don't mean you will be better. I think that's all conducive to the situation. That's the thing. It's like when you try and draw like a line in the sand on what's good, what's bad. Like you said, it's not like a drinkin, like you're staying focused, you're probably drawing a lot of good things

from the pool experience like bonding with people like like you said the geometry I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that goes into it Even when it comes to like physical stuff, but we go back and forth with that like they had like that's something that Regardless if you decide you want to become addicted to something that's fine that that's gonna be the one thing That's what I we've made we've made it's like if you want to have anxiety and these things that go along in life and I know that there's clinical anxiety and whatnot, but I genuinely want to have the time when people are like, I'm so depressed. Like if you're so depressed, like go, let's go run through a workout for two hours and then by the time you're done with that and you can look back and see the sweat show that you just left on the fucking mat or whatever you did.

and you can look back and see the sweat show that you just left on the fucking mat or whatever you did Let me know where you find that time to be anxious and you find that time to be depressed at least in that moment I'm not saying you can't come back to that and that's not a thing But let's go ahead and prescribe that first and foremost on any of these things before we start saying that people need any kind of prescription pills Let's start with that and have that Well, she did she did say that she said, working out, prayer, right, and don't lie. Like he's like, it's a weird thing. That's how I think no, not at all. It's a weird thing. But great. Hey, stop doing this for 30 days. And then we'll figure it out.

It's like, well, that's kind of a weird way to approach addiction. Cause not that that's not possible. but I know if I was like on a cocaine vendor or something like back in the day for you just to like up and come in the middle of that and be like, hey, I'm going to need to stop for 30 days. You're just like the vast majority of people are not just people like, all right, sounds like a plan. Like that first day after they just got the DUI, it sounds like a good idea, but two or three days puddle around and then you're like fuck I got some idle time on my hands I remember how fun I had when I was doing this that and the other it's like the notion and the optimism of the 30 days makes sense in theory but it's like that's a like that's

what you and I'm not criticizing her because I think that's a good like optimum thing because I know that in order to like design a habit it can they say it takes 21 days so fair enough but like just the initial thought process that you're gonna go tell somebody who's hooked on whatever just to be like all right we're gonna take these 30 days you know it's like okay that's that's in a perfect world right for me. Well, they talked about the Grandlands, bro. Sure. The Grandlands are getting there. If I tell you what some Grandlands, I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But I think that's why I was so surprised that that she was kind of against Joe talking about the psychedelic stuff. Because it almost seemed like, and I liked a lot of what she was saying,

I think I'm sure a lot of the processes that she uses are actually beneficial. And she's worried about new addictions, right? She's like, well, what would be a bad addiction out of, um, pray, work out, and then don't lie. Like not bad things, right? At any point. But also, I've spoken to people and, you know, even my recent podcast with Aaron Blaine, it's like, well, they, you know, some people have some real trauma and they've tried a lot of different things that are similar to that and there could be benefits there. I'm sure there are. I'm sure that there's nothing wrong with workout, out Pray and don't lie

You know that's a great place to start, but There's some traumas that are real deep for people and psychedelics have played a really positive role and You could say all day long we need more research we need more I get it But how do we get more research if clinicians like you don't Agree or like at least say hey, we we should look into it not just Let's take a step back. We need research. How do you even make research? Not that not all of it like assimilate a lot of different things to that same kind of similar thought process

What if we started doing that with politics, too? Like things like, let's start like evaluating different situations like in politics that maybe haven't worked up to this point, and let's just try something a little bit different. Like, that's the whole old school mentality when it's like just to the initial reaction is to be opposed to psychedelics, because that hasn't been the common narrativeics because that hasn't been the common narrative and that hasn't been the common solution It's like We got to try some different things because obviously what we've been trying has it necessarily worked So let's at least try worst-case scenario we fail

But at least we tried and now we know what not to do like we've done that in so many other areas of our life in our like biology and our like in so many other areas of our life and our biology and our... just growth as humans. It's like, why do we stunt it in all these other places just based on stupid logic? It's like, let's try some shit. You know? Yeah. Have you had any... It takes you in this video game?

I can't say that I have had anything. I mean, prior to working out, I was probably just addicted to being lazy. Like, I think you start to get like an identity by certain things. Like, you know, those people with interesting, the gamers are like the skaters or the whatever. Like, you start to adapt to this identity. And then once I've noticed that more and more in my life, like the more identity I am this person that does this. I am this person that follows through with this, like the follow up and the continued behavior

make sure like resume and your identity attached to that. So I find it interesting. It's like I'm a football player. I'm this, like that's how people like to find their identity. So just say that I have one thing or another. I've tried to associate that to like, I'm really athletic guys. Like we still value our health.

Like we like the party and have fun, but that's always going to be paramount in our life. And I've noticed that kind of medicine is like, can't be fulfilled any other way. For me, but I think that I think that that's a pretty much parallel ground with anybody that I've ever met No one's ever walked out of the gym. I've been working out with us and been like man I wish I didn't do that. It's like that's never zero zero times out of a million times has ever happened so

Whatever I left that step challenge with you and I was like yeah But I left that step challenge with you and I was like yeah, we feel a bit Probably true I'm struggling with it this month. I'm so I'm too in and I have nine days So I already have to do a double try to get through Yeah, I know I think I can do it. I think I get to it 1700 steps man. That's a lot of fucking stuff. I can't see the cast house, man. Well, if I had spent the whole month doing it, instead of forgetting I had to do it,

it would be a little easier. The ration makes diamonds, but... Well, that's a thing that she talks about. She talks about how through a therapy, she gives people a difficult, like tries to make difficult challenges. And they don't have to be necessarily physical, you know, there's a lot of different things that like take people

out of their comfort zones. And it seems across the board, another example of like, there's no downside to it. Like you may think so in the moment, like, let's say going into toast masters, which is that place you go to where you like make the speeches and things. You know, I've done that.

It's awkward. It's awkward, it's uncomfortable. You don't really enjoy doing whatever I would say. But like you do think, you find a benefit in bone-in-bomb. Yeah, I mean, you leave feeling good because you've achieved something. Like you've learned something, you push yourself hard,

and that's kind of, that's an important thing. So, you know, stuff like that does make a lot of sense, and I like that she prescribes it. Because you would think in some way depending on you know the state of a patient's like I don't know how gently you need to kind of orient those people but it's nice that there's still that part of it you know like make it yeah I mean I think that when it comes to anything psychiatry wise like it's all about doing your homework?

You know what I mean? And you can tell if people are doing their homework, but I wanted to touch on another thing about where she said, when dealing with trauma, it's not necessarily like an importance to necessarily find where that trauma came from. Because it seems like with psychiatry so much to the time is spent like trying to dig up these roots

of like why you feel a certain kind of way. And it's like maybe it is to evaluate the feeling you don't necessarily have to go right back to it where our dad punched us or whatever whatever happened, you know, I mean, maybe it's like we just move forward and we like embrace that thought and figure out how do we move forward from it as opposed to like constantly beating up why we feel some kind of way. Because I don't I mean what what are you gonna be like you come to This like realization where like all right Well, it's that day on that moment. That's why I felt that way So this that's why I did that in high school

That's why that relationship ended up that way. It's like what are you really gonna gain from that from my perspective? It's like let's just pick up the fucking pieces and build into a ship I don't know. Yeah, get a light. Get a friend and get a light. Yeah, but that's no simple as that. Is it can't go to the fucking storm by a light. I agree. There's a lot of factors. You know, you got to have support. You got to have to just dig it deeper. Just dig it deeper down. Just dig it. I'm it deeper down Just dig it I'm kidding. I'm I'm what is that what is that? I would I would dig a deep I'm people are like

Being a dick being a huge dick Yeah, yeah, she didn't like I began either. She was not she was not into that But it sounded like she didn't know a lot about it Not that I do but I she kind of Leading to the fact that it might be You know something you can get adapted to And it doesn't sound like you climbing cans around now No

Two cans no, I think it's interesting what Isn't it interesting whenever people have that much, like one way or another about something that they don't have a whole lot of thought or experience on? How often is that happening in the vast majority of circumstances? Well, yeah, but I mean, it's shocking coming from someone that is saying that she has an

MD and a specialization in like mental health for her to be kind of so dismissive of the potential good of those sorts of psychedelics. Like that's a little concerning to me. And I by no means am saying that I should even have a more educated opinion because of her qualifications, but it's almost like an architecture talking to me and being like, you know what, there's a lot of good building materials, but you know, I'm just not believe in this kind of creep right now. You can have, you can have, wait a second. What? No, we just stack the blocks in you can create right now. You can have you can have wait a second. What?

No, we just stack the blocks and you can have theories on anything. But you until you've actually experienced it for yourself, you don't really have a leg to stand off from my perspective. Yeah, but they who would have a leg then? If it isn't like the MDs that study it. Well, you can study it, but wouldn't you need your own Frame up reference like wouldn't you need your own experience for you to feel one way or another about it because you can look at things from You can look at things from a side perspective on what the words say and what you're supposed to do and what's supposed to happen

But until you actually have a frame of reference all you're doing is speculating right? That's what it sounded like all of them I Like the last thing she was talking about when she was talking about narcissists He's probably the most interesting thing I was sure about like narcissistic behavior Did they separate From the tribe right in a sense that separating themselves from the tribe, even though they understand what the tribe and the value is there, but it's highly seductive because of the hype that our modern culture sets in, which is that it kind of made me think about

that wheel she was talking about, like how even the animals in nature will get on it. It's like maybe the animals that like that wheel the most. Totally. Totally. I mean, I didn't put that, I didn't put that together. That makes sense. I mean, I don't know. But it's almost like one of those constructs.

It's like even when you have everything that you could need in the most natural setting, with the right technologies focused on creating a system that's just going to have this positive feedback loop, you still get drawn in. Like we can't, we're getting so good at making shit addictive that it's almost impossible to escape from it, right? So you're almost, I I don't know it gives you more sympathy with like you know narcissistic shit that's not even yeah I don't know I like to man I feel she was very old clever she's also got a lot of good stuff this thing that she probably hasn't tried like she said at least she was a little bit like I got to get a credit for that it just

seemed like I guess the only thing you can best things on is your own perspective and if like from a clinical standpoint she's a little overly lady too, so she's probably like I don't want to say old school thinking because even like psychedelics now isn't necessarily like that's probably a select group of people that are having those like it's not that's not the common denominator across the medical field I'm sure But it is it is being about it is being a no way to know bigger bigger handful of folks now I think and it's starting to be a little bit more. I don't want to say mainstream, but at least accepted by more Yeah, let's let's get around again after Samaya waska. Let's see what she's got to say. That's it. All right guys

Thank you and ladies and whoever else for listening. I appreciate you guys as always Gary. Pleasure guys, peace of love. Thank you family. Alright, next week fellas, play da. you