Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 245 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Sanja Gupta Et al.

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

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opened up with the Hitchcliff and um you know just to like take the pressure off but is is fun as those pods were I was like, we should probably just do these others in order. Right. And almost skip them. It's good to see a lot of, we have like a wide variety of perspectives on this one, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting week. It's kind of unusual how he's lined these up.

But so let's start with Alex Berencine, ban from Twitter, right? Twitter, Twitter jail. For the most part, telling the truth, yeah, Twitter jail. Get, like, don't get out of jail ever. What do you mean by, what do you mean by, for the most part, telling the truth? It seems like telling the truth. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying most pop because I have a and Yeah, I think that he kind of reveals a lot of speculation that a lot of us have had. And it's kind of nice to hear a smart guy talk about it. Hmm. Just to put it simply, I mean, he goes against every narrative that everybody is talking about, not every one of them.

But it's so weird how it's polarizing now to even have a conversation about what's going on. Like I even these past couple of weeks it's like I've had multiple situations where I've had people come sit at the bar and it's like you almost feel like obviously the question is are you are you not and it's and my automatic thought is if you're out and about you read I mean, it gives you more leeway because now you can say, yeah, I'm out and about, I feel comfortable. Do you feel uncomfortable sometimes saying that you're not vaccinated?

Ah! I don't know. I want to say no, but there was a couple. You're honest. There was a couple of times over the weekend where I was hesitant, but I was like, I wouldn't come right out and say it to be honest. It would like come out like later on down the conversation.

I'm like, are you? And then if they obviously, if somebody says yes, you automatically assume that they're on the like pro side. So I'm like, that's when I become a little bit hesitant. But at the same time, I'm like, I'm like, what do you think? And I'm like, I'm pro. when I become a little bit hesitant but at the same time I'm like I'm like they're like what do you think and I'm like I'm pro you don't tell me what to do I don't tell you what to do and that's the only thing that I live by up to this point And that's like what I'm gonna continue to live by it. I literally have no I have no input on what you choose to do as long as you're not hurting somebody else

I don't want that's the only thing that I could ever step in and say, hey, stop it. Other than that, you can do anything you want. That's how I've felt before. That's how I feel now. That's how I continue to feel in this life that we call life and like the spiritual luck and the experience. I don't know, it's just a weird time that it's so polarizing now, where to have that conversation. So weird. What did you think of what he was saying about 70% of the people in the UK that are dying of COVID of accident?

Our vaccinated, I guess. That's a tough one to swallow. Like you've got a wonder like, hey, should they get that money back for that vaccine? At that point? I mean, you're at least. That's true. I mean, doesn't that seem like a fucking raw deal?

Isn't that supposed to say? That seems like one of those. That seems like one of those. What was the polio numbers? Like, the people that get vaccinated against polio still die of polio? I don't think that's how it went. That's an interesting. I would like to see polio I don't think that's how when that's an interesting I would like to see that I don't think that's how I like because the way they describe chicken pox and all those other diseases that's like you want you sought them out and I mean that's what you and I were talking about

prior to it's like is that the case like what if you had the opportunity Is this is just a topic that people can start talking about? Like, I know Joe said it funny. He said it to Sanjay in the next podcast, but he's like, what if everybody is caught COVID, got the antibodies and then moved on? It's like, we come, it's like, we come up with this new story every day. It's like, not the Delta, the Lambda, the Kanda, the Sanjay. It's like, well, it's, the Sandra. It's like,

well, it's gonna change. It's gonna change. It's gonna change. It's gonna change. I, you know, but I think the people that made the vaccine were like thought that it would cover these changes. I don't, I don't think they sat there in their maniacal, you know, fucking billionaire houses. No, it's all like, oh, this only helped once and then we'll make a bunch of other

bad things. I don't think you would think that initially, but then they see it and they're like, oh, shit, as long as this is just like a probiotic, like, that's probably not the right word, but like, it's like a bandaid, more or less. You just got to keep putting the bandaid on. And about a fourical sense. Because if you gotta keep getting the boosters, like, there's, nobody was talking about the boosters before.

Were they, I don't remember any booster talk, I remember it was a vaccine, and then we're good. Right? And then all of a sudden, the boosters, and then like, they brainwashes, and then like, oh, and then the booster, and then it's like, and then all of a sudden the boot and then like they brainwashes and then like oh, and then the booster and then it's like And then the next booster and then the next booster Where does it stop like what point in time? We're like our bodies are you thinking take care of us and then not What what do you choose? I don't know what to say. I don't know what the right answer is. I'm not a fucking scientist, but My life is not that much different from two years ago as it is now, and I'm

fortunate, and I will repeat that. The decisions that I've made on a daily basis have some influence on that, and this idea that you have to have, I mean we have that conversation about we were talking about what if you had a card that said I had the antibodies like with that with that hold up like wouldn't that make sense when I would much rather see somebody has a powerful immune system and they have me their antibody card I have I've already beat it I already went through it I beat it and you have me that card like oh all right well at least I know you I know you can withstand a storm I I went and got the I went and got the thing that they told me I should buy and then I got prick twice I had a couple rough days, but I got through it and now I'm here. I got it. Here's my card

What card do you want? I'm choosing the first card a hundred out of a hundred times A hundred out of a hundred times and I don out of a hundred times. And I don't know why. You know, this is, this is a tough conversation because like, you know, he talks about like how the vaccine protection to windows. Right. 40% after the first month. Right. Well, with that, you've got to wander. Like, when you hear that, and then they say that if you have natural protection, it takes way longer, you know? Well, I don't think it's much less. Like, it's just difficult because you're like, okay, so...

So, let me get the vaccine. Then, you're safe from getting it, though you can still get it. You still get it, you still pass it. And you still get it, you still pass it to everyone. But maybe it's a bit stronger, but if you get it naturally, your immune system is better. So I feel like, it's a difficult one, because you know,

it seems like a no, it's not that you don't know. It's not that you don't know. It's not that you don't know. It's not that you don't know. And now that you just set it out loud in those terms, it seems like a fucking no brainer. I don't know what we're talking about, difficult one.

The way you just set that and so on. No, it is a difficult one, because you have to figure out if you're in one of those, like, if you're really old, definitely vaccine, right? If you have a health problem, vaccine, if you're overweight, probably vaccine, like, but if you're healthy and young, then I don't know if that makes sense. Because, look, your immune system is gonna be stronger afterwards, and you could say, oh, you could pass it to others. Okay. Right?

And then there's also this, like, you know, myocardial thing that happens to you. And like, you had an open-hawse surgery when you were a kid. 100% I don't know how far it serves you. You're a strong guy. You work out all the fucking time But I mean would you trust it zero obviously not and not because of any other reason than I just Wasn't buying into it before like I Have a difficult time taking ibuprofen my knee hurt the other day and I'm like should I give in or should I just fucking deal with it and it's like there's a little anti-inflammatory and you know what there's a lot of benefit like I

tell you right now my knee feels great from taking a day off and taking some ibuprofen so to say that I don't embrace medicine it would be naive that said to ever have a situation that's unfolding right now, and then to turn towards some god-drug to fix me? Why? Why all of a sudden, it's like, if something hurts, I'm going to do what I can to fix it prior to seeking out like an alternative like ingestable medicine. I'm gonna try to see if I can work through it with my body.

I'm gonna try and figure it out. And even the notion that I would seek out something, I don't know, man, like it's like sick people go to the doctor, I hate to use that narrative because I've been fortunate I had like a little tinge in the back of my throat this morning, and I was like, who have a sore throat It always brings me back to how could I have it? But it's like here you get at some point in time there needs to be a responsibility for our own selves, right? Like why why is that like responsibility pond off on medicine or something like this quick fix?

Like I'm just gonna go take this pill and feel better or I'm gonna... It's nothing good came from easy. Nothing, like I don't understand how that's been. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, what do you think about the New York mayor? They were talking about that video they played. Vaccine from God.

That's something, right? It's like, where are we? Who's like, dude, the only people that said that shit 10, 15 years ago were like the most Republican people I ever heard. And I did not connect with them at all. If you're like spouting God to me and I'm like I'm not against religion But I'm just not very religious. That is so if you're gonna do it And the idea of

I'm gonna fucking step on some toes right here, but the idea that God talks to you more than me. It's pretty fucking vain I've always said that about religion in general. I've ever say one religion is better than the other is just like a you're not a man. All right, maybe they told to me as more. May. May. Nobody's a mayor. Nobody's a. You're a mayor. You're an actor.

I can do an accent, bro. You're an actor. Yeah, we call them mez. Sounds like a like a like a feral horse or something, but either one. You know, Maze in England, where like these huge like gold chains around the neck, like like more than rap, like giant chunks of chain, Google it. If you don't know what a Mare looks like in England, they just like they have this thing where they wear these.

It's a topic, but Google it. It'd be fun. and 80s better in these senate spots. Oh, want to be president like news. In these government spots. That's fucking donkey. So if you're thinking, if you're, so if you're immediate thought whenever you think vaccine is old folks, like, and then that's who's making the decisions, it only makes sense that those people and those positions are going to try and implement those decisions

on the rest of the population. It only makes sense, right? Why is there no critical thought of any of this or nobody's like I'm exposing this? Why is it just like we are so progressive and we are so smart in so many ways, yet we still allow for senior citizens to run our fucking country. And it's not that they're well, they want to stay alive. I want to go. I want to stay alive too.

To me, honest, I don't want anybody to die, but at the same time, it's like, they're they have all the power. I know they're going to they're going to make the choices. That's probably why we go through this. They're the most at risk. They're the most at risk. They're the most powerful group. They have the most money and they're affecting the rest of us, all of us.

And probably I can't understand why it's happening otherwise. Not probably it is. That's it. It seems like a, like, but it, but it is the thing we're not saying that we want them to die either. Not at all. Like just protect yourself then. Right.

Like stay home. Right. Old. Exactly. Old. right like stay home right old exactly old we come by and visit just stay stay home you guys can come on over to to be honest because I think that they can they can wear the masks that day it's which that day will wear the mask swapping over to Sanjay Gupta he says that you should you should have a back even if you beat COVID number. That was...

Well look, there's a few things I want to say about him, like all in all that conversation went well. 100% like I've listened to enough a Joe to know that like Wayne controversy is coming up, dude, those guys are friends. Yeah, they're friends. They can text each other. They're cool Okay, so all this fucking online bullshit about Sanjay and Rogan and the tension I think it's all what you mean the fact that The Rogan brought someone in from CNN like good for Rogan right? He didn't need to get a bin like fuck those guys He didn't I want to have brought him in wouldn't be nice that Tucker on there and I think Rogan would he didn't need to he could have been like fuck those guys he didn't I want to have a borderline wouldn't be nice to have Tucker on there and I think Rogan would fucking ride with anybody to be honest

Tucker Carlson yeah from Fox News I would love to have him on Rogan dude that guy is a donkey you look that guy don't like him at all but I would love to give him an opportunity in a platform to speak with Rogan. Me too, but he says some stuff. I can't. He's not. He's no. Hey, well, that's Dr. Sal. No, no, no, no, no, that's that's that's that I think that Rogan and these platforms expose that. That's my point is that I think that like it exposes that you are working for the fucking wheel because if you had some free thought, you wouldn't necessarily agree or hold on to these stats so that's true that's true shout out to Gupta for like

like the changes mind on we know yeah like what a bold like Rogan was right that's a fucking bold move and good for him and you know what he it wasn't just like yeah I want to be a stoner I got this credit to him for like and It's incredible. And credit to him for just like, and credit just helps these people. Credit to him for saying, how many people at fucking CNN probably believe the same thing? Probably about weed.

Probably a good 50%. A lot of them are stuck in their own ways and their old fucking thing. But I think a lot of people are proactively thinking these days and giving some, to be mindful and to be open-minded is there's a lot of enlightenment that comes along with that. Yeah dude I'm not like a CNN Hater. No I don't think you are but I'm saying that I think Sanjay he good for him for doing that but I think that he is probably part of the majority in that scenario

Especially given that we're in 2021 the people that are the people that are still hung up on like Merrill yeah, but I don't think he changed his now, but I don't think he changed his mind because that was the popular thing No, I don't think like I don't feel like he's trying to he's solving a win, but no, I feel like he's all the data and push back and like and like people were mad at him, which they would be. And he said, well, this is why I think this. And that's a fucking ball of movement. That's the thing about being attached to ideas, right?

That's so like primitive thought process. We do this and this is it's like well to have a different thought. Yeah, but on top of this, how do you take like Joe has a friend that had what like a heart attack and two strokes from the vaccine? Right. You know when people like, oh Joe, you need to take the fucking vaccine. All right, and you're on horse the warmer. Like when he says, look, I had friends that have had really bad adverse effects. I know someone that had a heart attack and two strokes. Like there's some bad things. There's like a frame of the people that I

know that talk to me. And I love these people, man, and I try and chat with them. And I don't mean I try. I do chat with them. I talk. And they like tell me like, oh, that's such a tiny number. And I feel like that's what Sanjay was getting at. But isn't there a point where we're allowed to look in our own world?

Yeah. Like the people we know, if you're unfortunate enough to know three people that have had adverse effects, I think you're allowed to be skeptical. I would assume so. Right? That's why I went on to see.

Because how else do we gather information? We're gathering it from like the new sources are like all this media or We look around us and like some of our own friends are almost dying from this so he and we're like wait a second out of the 10 people that I know They got the back. This is a cyberthetical. This is pretty relative to the numbers that I do all right So to say out of the 10 people wait this is a hypothetical to the numbers that I do. All right, so to say out of the 10 people that I'm at. Wait, this is hypothetical. This is actual. I would say that I only know people.

I know a lot of people that said they've gotten Vax, but I would say, let's just say out of nine people, I know that I've gotten Vax. Three have had adverse situations. Two extreme, extreme extreme. So out of nine, two were fairly extreme, like extreme extreme. So out of nine, two were fairly like like over four days, fever, headache, bad time, I couldn't go to work four days. But they're okay, right?

Okay, but out of nine people that I know for a fact, two of two. So I mean, that's over 20%. That's okay. That's all right. So let's put this in like numbers that affair, right? So everyone survived correct and everyone is fine but also two of them really struggled and What age groups will they in and do you think they would have struggled at all if they got COVID? They did get COVID. That's my point. They got COVID after getting the vaccine. Oh You I thought you were saying this was reactions from getting the vaccine. No, no

They well they had they had adverse reactions as well I don't know if it just comes down to people's immune system because it's kind of indicative of the two people Dude you need to be clear. I'm getting confused on this. So they got, they, they've got fucked up from the COVID vaccine or from the, they got fucked up from the COVID vaccine. Initially, initially there was a two to three day window where they both have were fucked up. Not that I think about it. And two months later, they both had COVID since having the vaccine. Two guys that are ready. Did they have comorbidities?

No. Neither one of them. In good health. Late 30s, both one guy is a big yoga guy. Another guy is a big basketball guy. Yeah, but you got to think if they got fucked up from the vaccine and also COVID, they were always going to get fucked up from COVID, right? I guess.

Is that just sounds like you got hit with both? I mean, I guess that's the easy fucking way out. That's it. I mean, I hear. No, I mean, I hear what that makes. That makes you hearing you say that you make in the correlation that the vaccine made them sicker on COVID. No, no, no, no, not at all.

I'm just saying that they dealt with the fucking, they dealt with the vaccine made them sick on COVID. No, no, no, no, not at all. I'm just saying that they dealt with the fucking, they dealt with the vaccine side effects. And then they got it and they beat it and they had it. And then they got it over it again. So they experienced the whole fucking window. My point with you was, if I have, if I, I want to get COVID to be be honest a little bit. I think I've already had it potentially twice Tested positive one day tested negative the next day

Did feel like shit for a few days a few times Work through it. I would love to take an antibody test. I would love to do that I think that means it will get on're not expensive. I think what a okay. So if I show up with an antibody like fucking the way he always describes thick Jamie lines, I think I'm just gonna have a fucking huge. Yeah, we could pay we could pay for one. Let's pay for one. Let's find out what it costs. Let's do that. Like let's get one for next week. And then we'll see if if that's the thing, because if that's the thing that I want to show up to gems, it's like, here you go, I have my sharpies. I just, that would be, that would mean

so much more. The big thing was though with the CNN thing that was just such bullshit and Joe is right. Like, you can't lie like this because like, take Joe's, I don't take Joe stance, right right no, but to take Joe stance Let me finish like he is getting the news from them And they're gonna lie about him. I don't think they're gonna do that. That is a bad move. I don't think they're gonna be I don't think they're gonna be able to do that much more. I hope that that was like a you can't do that I hope that was a nip in the butt. Like I hope that was like a...

But why even come a Joe Rogan? Like seriously? Everybody there knows that he's like, if you're a free thinker, I'd like to believe even. Yeah, but aren't you supposed to pick on politicians? My point is, I think, I think, I'd like to be what are you picking on?

I think at the end of the day when you're sitting on the toilet to pick on politicians. My point is I think I like what are you picking on? I think at the end of the day when you're sitting on the toilet and even these politicians, when you're just sitting by yourself, like when you're just by yourself, and you're like, we said horse to warmer, and you're like, you gotta be a dude with your fucking ants around your ankles, and you're reading the fucking thing.

You're like, if you're the that like frame that article. You're like Just right he took horse to warmer We'll figure it out. It's like bro. I Get it that you're trying to angle some shit, but like I want to give you a little more credit like It's it's hate a mentality, all right. It's like getting a bit lazy. It's like we've all seen this online. This is lazy. What are you gonna be in like your own meme? That's really what hoping that meme would catch really when it comes down. It hasn't. It hasn't. You got smashed because that's bullshit. That's really what it comes down to. I don't know if I would and this will probably come up in future ones. I don't know if you've seen these new memes about Brian Seltzer when he talks that I didn't know who Barry White's was I thought I don't but either way I could be not quoting but she's like

This is newer at this is but she was when I'm gonna butcher this but she's like when you can't tell the difference between violence and when you say that, when you say that quiet, when you say that silence is violence, she's like, no, violence is violence. Have you seen this video? She's like, the whole world has gone mad. She's like, when you can't say that men are not women,

she's like, the whole world has gone mad And she just says he's like five huge quotes That are just basic knowledge But sound at this point like oh is she is she? Did she a Trump supporter? Like that's almost that's almost how you have like I Wish me a to Jamie to say pull it up. Well, like the way that yeah pull up game

She she was like and if you would like for me to continue I can continue because I have a lot thousand more But the way that she just like says all these things it was like the whole world's gone mad and I was like Oh, that was so refreshing to hear somebody just say like We can't keep trust yeah, we need to be reminded on some basic points. I think it's just like we agree We get lost in these fucking you know the only thing that was controversial during this podcast I thought was like he struggled to struggle to like reply to the Ivermectin statement and and of course he of course he was gonna struggle and he was like I didn't really look at it and I'm surprised your ego was this and that and I'm like all right look I didn't feel like he came back at Joe all that hard in that sense right he was defending his network but also keeping the conversation going it was like it's not but it

but I thought it was reasonable what Joe said because at first when I heard Joe was suing CNN I was like maybe that's ego right but really if you think about it. That's just not true Like what point do you get to say what he wasn't really news agency like you don't get to lie But he wasn't really not like that No, I think he just put the put the fucking clamps down. I think he threatened him. I love that Yeah, which he should I mean the me honest that's bullshit well because he's the thing if one agency goes to do They would have done it to him in a heartbeat just to fucking have the fucking headline. Are you clanging around in the kitchen right now? No, I'm just walking around talking to you.

Yeah, I know it. I know. I'm trying to keep it quiet. Yeah. I think that's one of those Joe Rogan Review Relax podcast. Roll to you by Garrett It's alright bro, you just bang around I'll try and edit that sound out for a

Yeah, you know he but that was really the only thing he struggled with was just trying to defend CNN's point on that. And, you know, and at least he said they shouldn't have said it, which it's not about a win, right? It's not about a win for Rogan. It's about a win for like, what is the truth? That's what it should be a win for. You know, I mean, dude, we're sat here, the day that Rogan starts fucking lying about a shit, we're gonna have to talk about that

And I won't want to I don't think it's gonna happen. I don't foresee it's not gonna happen But he might fuck up for just being wrong, but like how can you know? That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine that's fine yeah that's what I've always thought about with politics of late two and the the bar conversations that I have with people in the hesitation I'm like what if what if Joe Biden or what if Donald Trump of all people during his residency now that I was a fan and was like hey I know I put on this face all the time, and I try and understand that I know that everything's going on,

and I know what's right for all of us, and that's the character I play. But this coronavirus, it's taken us for a fucking, it's taken us for a loop. You and us, everybody, we're all in this together. We're going to do our best to find a solution. And I hope that you guys could be on my side and we could all make that the desire. Make America great again.

make America great again. I don't know if Joe Biden said that if any politician said that I'd be like all right that sounds like a good idea I'm cool with that let's make that the plan and then you could start like shift it shift in the energy like between like fucking yeah prove it 100% But like what if somebody said that and you're like all right, I can get behind that That's like like we're all like we're all in this we're all we're all figuring it out Cool man I I can sleep better because of that Yeah, but it takes more than a good fucking slogan.

You're right, but if you, but like I like slogans, like, oh, you've got a great hat. No, but I'm saying if that, what? If that's not gonna work. If that was the approach rather than like separate and figure out that it seems like the approach is always like we have to like formulate our plan over the vaccine or formulate our plan

over not having a vaccine or formulator plan over not having the vaccine or formulator plan over this. It's like, what makes the most sense for all of us? Well, I think the point that Rogan brought up on this podcast that made a lot of sense to me. And I think it came from Gupta, which, you know, prays to him. Is he talked about, you know, Jobe and a martial artist, and then Jo got into the head trauma,

and he goes, look, my one issue, like my major dilemma with my job that I have that's like his one real job that he talked about. Not that his other jobs aren't real jobs, but like the one that he fucking really takes seriously. Not that his other jobs aren't real jobs, but like the one that he fucking really takes seriously. Though to be honest, when he said that, I was like, Joe, you take all your jobs seriously, like relax. But you know, he can't get drunk at the U.S.C. He can probably drink it as other jobs. But he said that when I'm there, I know about head trauma. I know about the injury to these people.

But I also know what they're going for and what they're going at. So, in some way, I feel like that was Gupta and him connecting on like Gupta has to like hold the CNN line. You know, but saying that, I don't think Joe would hold the UFC line in the same way. I feel like if there was like major head trauma constantly, like Joe is brought up a head trauma a lot in the UFC. He pulled his friend out. He had a tough conversation with Brandon Sharp,

like Brave and tough for both of them and their good friends. But it's still like a, it's a level that they can relate on with like, all right, we have a job to do. And we see the side that could bring problems, you know, where that could be controversy, but we have to still promote. So good to promote vaccine. And UFC, I mean, Rogan promotes UFC. Right. Like it's similar.

That's an interesting thing too, because's like it's goop to like you did see I don't know if you saw that today that that Pfizer ran like a fucking ad on MSMBC. Yeah, they've been running ads like just blatantly running ads. Yeah, so like every net was so like I'm sure whenever they get like the whenever they get the like the pre office meeting or whatever they go in and they like. All right, here's the topics here's the stance. Sanjay's in the fucking main room at 6 a.m. They're always like, all right, this is how we feel about this. This is how we feel about this. It's like, at what point in time are you like, alright, is this my job?

So my job is to act as if I'm always on all the sides of these motherfuckers. Even though you're telling me, even though I'm a journalist, you're telling me the biggest fucking that they're all actors, that's producing the world can't have somebody go on Rogan and talk to us about No, no, they shouldn't and did clearly but my point is is like those have to be the best actors on the planet

Right like to dude good that doesn't work for Visa Well, he works for CNN like have one of those. Yeah, CNN that have one of those pros on Coop to doesn't work for Pfizer. No. Coop2 doesn't work for Pfizer. You think he does? I'm going to ask you that question one more time. Coop2 doesn't work for Pfizer. He works for CSMBC, right? Which, which, which promotes CNN? Which an advertiser for Pfizer, correct? All right. So slow down keep your tin foil hat on a tin foil How this is the fucking honest thing you work for the companies that like supply your fucking advertise

Indoor it. No, he doesn't okay, so I don't I don't well that's you and me having our fucking iPhone San that we don't know where they come from Oh, really we work for the fucking vape company that's monster like We're not like secretly supporting vape use no but that it's an interesting thing we just say You're not wrong but the thing about that is is when you have to be like promoting with your words Which is one of the only things you have is your words right? I like it So when you're using your words you're you're right about all the only things you have is your words right? I like it. So when you're using your words, you're right about all the things that you've just said but when you're actually using the one vessel that you have, that's when that line, that like hairy line gets crossed. Yeah but when you work for a network like you have like there's a lot of that stuff.

Okay so they sell. Don't get mad with these so Rape tires over here. I see an end. So I work for CNN. So I figured I'd just go ahead and sell the Rape tires. What? All right, Garrett. You're on one. I'm just saying this. It like we're the same. Bring it back. Where do we draw the one? You lit it? Where do we draw the line? Where do we draw the line? Well, I would say that if these fucking companies really thought they, you know, were trying to get a message out there, like, wouldn't this be a platform to come on?

Well, it's so interesting. Talk to Joe, don't be a pussy. Well, 100%. That's right. Like, you must have someone that can fucking speak. Like, if any, any like here's the thing Right a lot of people like oh Joe's just a dummy. Well then bring on someone that can fucking talk to it But they're scared bro. They're scared exactly because he's a human light Attack he might be a good luck. He might be a dummy

But the thing about authenticity and dummy is that you fucking breathe some you you you do Joe is no dummy He's no like that's not even throw that out there. You're absolutely right. My point is though when it comes across Was dummy and you're just transparent you that people talk that's when everything unfolds You know I feel like we had a fight there. We did we just fight you fucking stick Sure, let's jump over to Michael Shellenberger dude that was This one hurts man It close because you're right there and I left because of this this one is painful to me there and I left because of this this one is painful to me. It's close to me.

Right? Right. Right. Dude. Makes sense. You know what really upsets me about this because like when I moved to the US in 1997 I was about as liberal as you can get. Show me.

And I'm still a liberal guy, right? But I, I hate, I really do. I do. I hate to hear that people are getting pulled to like center. I want to feel like, hey, if we only have two parties, like be strong with both of whatever your convictions are. And like when you hear someone to work with a homeless for as long as he did and he's like, yeah, more center now. I'm like, you guys are fucking up. Here's the thing about the two parties. It's never gonna work. It's not even feasible. How many do we need? How many? I mean, at least three. I'm not bringing the English system in. We have like nine partners.

My buddy was saying this to me the other night, and it made a lot of sense. It's like America's like a pendulum, right? It swings so far hard in one direction, and it swings so far in the other direction. And then we try and there's to be that way. And then we try and bring it together like every so often. And it's like, why does it together like every so often and it's like

Why does it have to swing so hard? It's like we're all pretty much think the same way Like that's the thing about the vaccine and that's the thing about all these situations like all the people that I surround myself with Have a similar narrative and have a similar testament of how they view life and how they view the people that surround themselves with. They're not so polarized. It's like, I don't know if it's like we're reading it and it's fucking brainwashing us. I really don't know what it is, but the inner circle that I have is not so provocative

either way. And when I bring it back to those thoughts about, just let's be humans at some point. But it's so good to hear another human be like, I know that I don't know what's going on. We're just figuring it out. We're all figuring it out together. Like what if somebody said that,

it would be so reassuring and be like all right that I can I just beat that down, but it's like at the simplest fact. It's like you're obviously being pulled in all these different directions And it's like at some point in time you just need to take a breath and be like if you are any one of these positions of power to take a breath and be like, if you are any one of these positions of power, how can I help out the rest of humanity? What would make the most sense for all of us? Well, California spends the most money on the homeless as anyone in the country, right? And we've seen what happened there over COVID. And you could be like, well, that was COVID.

Well, it's gotten both ways. But I'm like with the budget that's that and let's be fat with all dude. It was ugly before COVID. Let's be fat. I don't think it's really changed to be honest with you. I like to be honest with you. Like everything that I remember two years ago, it's like it clears out, it comes back. It seems like beer is super. Like it really does. Dude, you're out of your mind. You are out of your mind. Which part? Which part? Like, when I went back there in September of last year,

well, that's the best month. It's the best month. That was a rough month. You're absolutely right. But they... All right, well, that's the only month I have. And I work security there at a bar called The King's Head for many years and dealt with the homeless.

And then I work security at the big deans. Like, I saw what they were up to. And like, when my roommate would come home from work, who was a female, that had to walk back from Venice. And she's like, yeah, I'm just coming home now. Like, I wasn't worried. When I and she's like, yeah, I'm just coming home now like I wasn't worried when I went there in September, bro I was like attacked by like four people you're kind of bitch like out of their mind Well, I'm your out of their mind, bro

I mean you're and I know she left and I know a lot of people are having problems out there. You're an attractive young transgender man. Oh, you're saying I'm soft? Good luck. No, wow, that's kind of rude. I say you're hard. Well, but I think that what you're saying is like, you're a strong male that is not worried about what's happening out there. And there are other people that are

Worried because this shit is crazy. I Think if you go went right down in there right down into the deep and like just hung out You've already told me about problems. You've had on the fucking basketball court I go there already like you're down playing it bro. I go there and I don't care for that You want it you want to rev it up No, I'm just saying that like you want to rev it up from that what is truthfully going on about you really feel as safe as you did before To be honest with you. Yes My spot I've always I'm a man of the people didn't you say some guy was like on a couch out the back of your place a long time ago a long time ago

It's jerking off it wasn't a big deal Jerkin is a dick Yeah, dude you just down playing what's going on? And I like it because you love I get it was a couple of months ago Everything's good. Oh only two months ago I was mid covey slow down. All right. Can you tell me something good to have in the day for you? Dude with this isn't a podcast about positivity This is trying to fucking get to the meat of what these guys are talking

You're absolutely right. Michael comes in with a lot of facts, right? And you want to ignore them because you just want to have the best time out. I don't know. Like, I'm at all four. I'm all for it. I want you to surf and skateboard all day long. But like, there are people that need to know about how fucked up it is.

You're not that far from him. And how terrible of job, but noose him does well Here's the thing too is that it's awesome hearing them when Michael talks about it He's like I came from the most they brought like he was on he was a O.C He's probably fucking in the fanny pack. He was like the fanny pack dude He was probably green peas plus and he is he but the way he now is He is so smart. He looks like Rob Lowe by the way like like a better Rob Lowe Handsome man if that's handsome man, that's possible

but The thing about him is it comes from such like a genuine spot everything that he says is like did you grow like Directly next to the tomato seed because Your inspiration and the way you talk about humanity is fucking amazing. The way he was, I like him bro, no, the way he was talking about how like, I think they were talking about how the cops are going to dissipate from Seattle and he's like, the worst thing that could happen is less cops in the high,

I don't wanna say population, but a high trauma kind of area. So you need more police presence. I don't, it's like, you need good police presence. I think it's what it comes down to. I don't know. I don't know if you need more or less or whatever. It just seems as be good, right?

I don't know how you train that. But it's like, it's interesting when you're like automatic. Yeah, yeah. Obviously better, like the best police. But that's what I'm saying. Like, when you automatically say that you need more, it's like more. It's an easy way up. Just because I know people that go on the police force, there's some good ones like Ash. people that go into the police force there's some good ones like Ash and that's the only one that I know. Are you defunding the police right now right now? I'm funding him. I'm funding him. Take him on a fucking worldwide. Whatever. Either way, I don't wish. No, I get what you say man I mean like when when he talks about news some lighting 20,000 people out of jail During the pandemic people can like

You know steal a nine hundred dollars with a shit Is that even feasible like is that like a reasonable thing you can do it. No, no, they can just do that Well, that's what I think that you got to add it up You just got to do your math in the store and like I know I'm off you go. You've already with the sun's going down. We've already touched out like like seven seven hundred bucks. No, that's the amount. We have seven spots. Ross TJ Max. A couple of Ralphs. T.J. Max a

Bora house Dude if you go to T.J. Max you can get a lot of shit for 900 bucks you would get so much you would have to steal a shopping cart The car that might take me over the fucking lemon Is a good yeah, there's a good deal of stuff I ran but then he talks about rehab, right? And like, you know, the Malibu rehabs, that's the money ones, you know, for all the bougie assholes, bless them.

God bless the you, I hope you do well. But they have strict policies. And then they have the rehabs in LA. Okay, only. Yeah, but you get bossy, right? You gotta have discipline, like some discipline. And like if all process for everyone else is just like, well, you know, there's options for you,

but like nobody's forcing you to do it, that's not gonna be good. Dude, when have you ever succeeded with no discipline seriously even when I'm banging on to you about the noise you make on the podcast or I don't I don't I use the you crash around I mean I'm just saying I try to apply the least discipline possible here I do it on the air I appreciate you saying that because I think the only decisions that I have. Some of it goes in. The only things that I do do

are based on my own discipline because I have pretty much allowed a lot of free reign. So like the fact that I just don't like fly off the side of it. Exactly exactly that's the problem we're talking about you get too much free reign and you just go to town is that too is that too much or is that just like well dude if you're a person that's addicted to math and you're in L.A. and no one's like trying to like in a way force you to not do it and I don't know what that means. Like that sounds harsh, but like, come on. Like, you can't just, you can't just say to somebody, all right, there's options available, but you can also still do math and do everything you're doing.

They're going to do the same thing. We have to find a solution to this. We have to be at a help these people. And they want help too. They don't want to just do this all day. Hey, I love drugs like everybody. So how do we do it? But you can't just run off the rails with it and ruin your own life. Like, other people can support you and be like,

OK, here's a way to balance this, right? Get beat up. I mean, are we really expecting them to quit all the way? Not necessarily. Like just get to a point where you can like run, you know, you can get an apartment, you can like live in a place and be comfortable. And then, you know, that's the thing about this. Start doing a podcast like Garrett. Well, that's the funny thing is that you just can only base it on your own fucking like three, like three comes that you can put in your life, which is okay.

We are like these, this is my perception. This is how I will dictate the rest of my life in this like bag of bones and the spirit body that I'm just riding out. I'll just, this is how I will dictate it and I get it. But it's the only thing that you can say based on your own perception, correct? Dude, that sounds like nonsense. All right, let's go back and break that down. What what are the three tones? Hit you on the spot. What are the three tones? Well

Three tones Yeah, you were like three tones and then I just think that I think that what I Joe always talks about the four agreements Are you familiar with the four? Yeah, cuz I feel like you don't necessarily like I feel like that that's how we can continually have these situations. I'll save my favorite for the last but the don't ever make assumptions is one of those things that I feel like is one of the main situations that always comes in contact with like all right right don't ever Don't ever take anything personally.

It is one of those other things. And then being peckable with your words, it seems like if this podcast and these times that we have together, the words that we use are the main thing. And then the final one is do your best on all the all the three but The assumptions and the expectations and and seem to be the things that we just like continually do in human nature Yes, yeah, right? Unintentionally, yeah, you got close. I mean you left out don't take things personally. No, I said that one

And then I always do your best. I said I said don don't take things personally no, I said that one and then I always do your back I said I said don't think take things personally first All right, I know that because I feel like that's the fucking thing that we always do I thought you said be impeccable with your words. Yeah, I said them all for but just slowly UK mouth down All right, I'm more fucking wine don't brush your teeth. I'll take it. I'll take it. The thing about you and your McCulley Culkin fucking jersey over there is that the only thing that we can This is why people tell us to do video because they they get to miss how I dress Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I don't know man. I feel like it's real sad. It's real sad. Let's end on what he got to with like

You know What he got to with like, you know, energy and reusable energy, like this was interesting because Elon is always talking about solar, right? A lot of people are not many people talk about nuclear. If what he said, if he said that a Coca-Cola can size of uranium is enough for you to live on for your entire life. What do you just expect? And then that's all the waste. You've got a wonder, like, are we really focusing on the right fucking things?

That's the top of this one. I'll buy you a 12 pack of uranium, folks. Well, but what are you worried about with nuclear? I think it's just the way he said it. He's like, everybody says the way nuclear. When they say they were nuclear, I thought that exact thing. Like I... What bonds?

Yeah, automatically associate negative nuclear. But it's like nuclear is like more like future thought. The way he described it, dude, that guy was the most thoughtful guy in the plan. Like he was too smart that like I was just like as long as you keep waking up, you probably just like change humanity. Like he was so smart. And he looked like Rob Love, it was like overwhelming. But I don't know Nuclear doesn't necessarily have to have like a negative connotation I think the way he the way he described it made it sound so much better, right? So let's just reach out to Tim Jones. I don't think I've ever heard of

Somebody talk about nuclear energy in that way, right? Like everyone always disuses this and I'm like wait a second Why don't we just have a bunch of nuclear plants? Shouldn't we do it? If everybody can just have one can of coke and that's their whole life then like we could zero pollution Surely we can just fire that shit at the sun, right? Can't we recycle it somehow? Shoot shit like a fucking baseball fucking dude. You're telling me coal plants are gonna be better than that That doesn't make any sense like after hearing that if that's true, right? I don't know, but if that's true, right come on Another week of us not knowing much about what we talk about, but we do our best and Alright ladies and gentlemen thank you so much as always tuning into the nonsense of this but

Ah What a week what a week we got some good guys next week though coming out what I'm pumped right Love you big dog. Love you later folks Bye!