Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 246 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Micheal Malice Et al.

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

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Join us always by my sidekick and clanking around best friend. What's up guys, I'm just clanking today boy. All right, good old clanking. So we got, who do we got? Michael Malas, we got Bart, Bart Low, no. Bartow, Elmore, whoops sorry, Bart. And then Amishi Jaha. Correct.

I would say yes, good. All right, let's get into it. Michael Malice. Dude, this guy is, I don't know, I think if anything just knowing that he's like two dolls down from Lex Friedman and one of his best friends is enough for me. You know what I mean? It's like you you'll give somebody so many chances when Lex thinks they're cool. It's like fair enough. He has some pretty solid insights on a lot of things I think that it seems like a lot of its conspiracy-ish. Wouldn't you agree but at the same time? I think he knows where he's at with things. I think he just looks revenue.

I think it's just called. He likes getting everyone out. I think they call it conspiracy. If it's just, here's the narrative to it. It's called conspiracy. If it's not the main topic. You know, I mean, if you think about something a little differently, you're automatically considered the conspiracy theorist at this point.

If you don't go along with what the, that's what it comes down to. If you don't go along with what they go with the conspiracy theorist, you know, I mean, if you think about something a little differently, you're automatically considered the conspiracy theorist at this point If you don't go along with what the that's what it comes down to if you don't go along with what the government says It's like he says it to he's like either he's like the way they've divided up not to beat this anti-vax Situation to a fucking pulp, but he's like he they either decide that you're either pro-vax And and if you're not then you're pro-Trump and those are the two categories that you're either pro-vax and if you're not, then you're pro-Trump. And those are the two categories that you're put in. So it's like, you don't get like a free thought to have. You don't get an opportunity to like have a free thought.

It's like, you said... Yeah, because it makes arguments way better. Right. If people can't put you in a category right away and then make fun of that category. Right. It's like, it's going to take way longer to break it down on Twitter. It seems like a silly system to be like, it seems gonna take way longer to break it down on Twitter. And it seems like a silly system to be like, it seems like an easy way to argue because they're like,

nope, because you're in that group or nope, you're in that group. It's like, no dude, I'm not part of any of those groups. I'm just gonna have some free thoughts and not be attached to my ideas. So how did he gain notoriety? I was asking you on that about before the plot too, is he like, did you ever want to see that? Yeah, asking you on that about before the pod to as he like they were for see Yeah, I think he was one of the online

No, he was like one of the online Like news like through guys, you know, then like new people popping up and and you know He's just gone on different people shows just like kind of bench a period, right? Like once he starts debating people they realize, yeah, this is gonna be hard work. You've got a lot of facts, you've got a lot of things to pull from, and he's done it over and over again until you work your way up the Rogan and the other podcasts and, you know.

So I'm gonna get his word out, I'll tell you that. Over some, oh, over some of the things, hey. Well, look at, well, they were talking about with Keith Obramon. That's CNN guy. Just once again doubling down on this bullshit, trying to make excuses for this a lot. You know how many people have showed that video too? I've showed that video to a fucking so many people.

Better just like, oh my god, I'm just like, this is what it... Dude, I almost don't think... I've always heard that, you know, they're not really news people. They're just like celebrities that read about topics on the news. But it never really sunk in until I watch that. And I'm like, well, I know that that is bullshit. It doesn't make any sense.

Like, what are we doing here? And how could we believe most of any, like a way more complex issue that people wouldn't know anything about. How are you gonna know that they're telling you? It's like, come on. And then you've got someone like Lex Friedman doing podcasts, even though he's not doing like current events and direct news related stuff like Ben Shapiro

or like other news people, you just know that you can trust them. Whatever he's saying, he's done his very best to find out if that is true. And that's the thing. It's the majority of the people always have an agenda. Like when you don't, when you're free-figure, you don't have an agenda, you're not being lobbied by somebody, your thoughts can come out in a much more coherent and like logical forum. I don't know what the right word is, but it's taken. Yeah, it's something like that. Like even if you don't have a lot of information and you're a terrible speaker, if you can kind of go back to like a neutral point with any discussion,

if you can just kind of sit in the middle with it while you make your decision, I feel like you're going to do better. You could be really smart and be super prejudiced at one end or the other of any discussion, any narrative, any in-group out-group, and you're gonna fuck it up. Sure, you'll have arguments that sound good resonate with a lot of people on your side because it's clever, but it's not gonna be the right answer. It just will be too bias I know I understand that I'm trying to think to myself what there's like polarizing issues that I'm like One way or the other about like I think I would just want to hear the sir do guarantee we have bias Well, I'm sure but I'm trying but I'm trying to say we don't want to hear the circumstance of the story before I just went ahead and told you what my bias was I want to hear no I got this idea that you just automatically

Flip and category before you even hear the like the dynamic of the situation That's the that's the problem people like to do that though. They like to pick sides and get straight in that I mean They like to just jump immediately to one side of an argument and be like right this where I stand everything else It's such a weird stance. It seems like a Wayne Dyer said the two is like, I don't know enough to be a pessimist. Like, that's the thing.

But it makes you sound like you have a strong opinion in there for your edge. And sometimes, think about it. If you come into any argument and you're like, you know what, I don't really know where I stand one way or the other. I'm just still trying to weigh the information and some things on one side

look weird and some things on the other side don't look good. It almost takes some of your authority away. Don't you think? It makes you seem like you don't really know. Maybe, but I was having a conversation. I think we had talked about this in the last one too. It's like maybe, but transparency goes a long way to it. Like admitting wrong, admitting guilt, or not even guilt, but transparency goes a long way to like admitting wrong, admitting guilt, or not even guilt, but just admitting you don't know maybe what's going on, even till you have more information as opposed to just picking aside than having to retract. I think it might be more to your benefit to at least hear it out first and then,

and then reflect as opposed to just come spewing with what you've already advised on before you hear it. And you're like, oh, let me go ahead and retract because because I will say there's a lot of times that if these podcasts kind of clear up thoughts for me, like give them not necessarily these, but the ones that I listen to and other stuff like, yeah, not ours. Outside information has an tendency of like swaying my belief on a lot of things. I mean, even watching that older video, like, like watching that video as I was just like, oh god like this where we got at this point like this guy it's like to be so one sided but anything is like imagine a video like that on the other side like we are not

getting a shot oh yeah yeah you can easily do it look so stupid aren't either side though like well the worst thing to hear after that though is that CNN wanted to sue that like kid that made that meme Oh, I don't know Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that was like Rogan maybe just cranked it, screw it down a little bit. Let's go ahead and do a pay. It's like you're going to sue a kid from making a meme. Like that upsets you that much. Well, it's an amateur. It's an exciting violence. It's an infiltration on the power.

How about just lies? Like when you know, I hear you, that's I think that fact that they even acknowledged the kid gives him that much more power too. You know what I mean? Like if they just acted like I we don't give a fuck, it would make him that much stronger. Because they, they just wouldn't care. Yeah. But the fact that they buy it into it and like, play it into it, it makes it even look that much worse, doesn't it?

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's interesting that these, these power mongers, that's all they're concerned with. It's like, don't rock the boat. Don't rock the boat. don't rock the boat, the boats still floating. At least it looks like it is even though there's three holes in the back and it's sinking. Let me ask you this, right? And you're not you're not big enough of vaccine stuff, but I did get the Johnson and Johnson, right? I went in to get one dose.

Mainly it was like a timing and a bit of scheduling issue like I needed to get on and get some shit done Then I needed to be vaccinated for or at least it was encouraged So I just said well I could do it all Thursday or I've got a wait I've got to put like these meetings off for like a few months or like a few weeks. I don't know what the two Injection round was was it like the next week or two weeks later? I think it's, yeah, I don't know how that works. I think it was in two weeks, I think it's the timeframe. Okay, so yeah, it was like beyond that time.

And I was like, that's fine. I'll get that one at least I got one. It's good. And now they're saying that it goes from 80% protection right away to 3% in six months. Was it three or five? Whatever it was, it was really low. And here's my question to you.

Like, if they did all these tests on this stuff to make sure it was safe, which I believe they did, I don't know if they had enough time to do like, I can't do like long studies, but you know, they can do enough to make sure people aren't dying immediately of this stuff. Did they not also know what the protection would be? Yeah.

Like I feel like it's sick as I felt. I feel like the fact that in six months it's basically not useful again is pretty upsetting. I don't wanna feel that sick every single month. I usually don't guess at all. Let me say this, the story that I've heard in years specifically, like hearing your story that you told me has swayed my thought process inevitably. Like, in it, I should have never told.

No, no, but I've heard it. Like I said, you're not the anomaly, like the vastness. Well, I'm just saying the truth. And why would, why wouldn't it make you less not the anomaly like the best. Well, I'm just saying the truth and saying why I wouldn't why wouldn't I Why would I Subject why would I subject it myself to feel so shitty when I feel so good all the time because I'm doing it for other people That's that's that's the narrative that we're trying to play by Or I just don't want to have to deal with bullshit like I want to be able to go to a store Because I will say that this is reminding me of a current event. I just had a long conversation with a good

buddy yesterday and he's getting married and he's one of my best friends and he's like me and one other guy are on the one on the non-vax list and he's like you guys can't come Nicole's little brother has a compromise immune system and he'd really like to be there we don't want it like it's a it's a sad story like he's had whatever I want him to be there. It's the good story. I don't want him to not be able to go to his sister's wedding on my account, which is fine. That said, I have to start considering the fact of like these life events that are going to start occurring like am I going to start missing out because I'm trying to put my

foot down or make some stand that said I just watched something something on Instagram today with all these fucking people marching up some bridge in New York. Like, I don't know if you saw that the firefighters, police, spend like all these people. Oh, yeah. The so all the people that go, that's my issue. I'm like anytime at any time. Maybe this is wishful thing. But literally at any time, they could just turn the switch on tomorrow, but like. World back on tomorrow. Let's go. We this sucks. All right. They.

But you know what? This is actually a good example, possibly. If you having a bias like we had talked in earlier. Okay. For example, right? So you want to go to this wedding or at least you want this person to feel safe. Right. I don't want to go to the way you know the vaccine is not going to hurt you.

Even if you feel shitty for a minute, I'll let you finish like you're a strong guy No, I like you. Maybe it will but we'll get back to it and then But then okay, so you get to go he's happy You know those people are gonna want you there Also, you can still have the same opinion you had before right? So let's say you still don't agree you still don't like it you want force by the government though nobody forced you would have made the choice yourself for a reason that it sounds like you want to do it the

thing about the vaccine is if you told me that it worked you said all right all these people they got back got vaccines they are good now everything's moving forward that's not the fucking case. The people that got the vaccine. Yeah, but the efficacy's on the other ones. The other ones are high. Now they're saying that they're inter-changeable. The boosters and all this nonsense.

Like get out of here. Just to keep playing along. It's like we're playing this game. And then like, dude, I'm just not playing anymore. I tried to play it for a while. The thing I want to go back to with the wedding situation is, let's say that everybody's vaccinated at the wedding. We all have our QR codes.

We are government vaccinated, 100%, 100% of the wedding. OK, everybody's flying in from different places, this, that, and the other. Somebody's asymptomatic, passes the vet. We're all vaccinated. He still gets COVID. He still gets sick and we still deal with the consequences. Everybody's vaccinated. Then what? Yeah, well, that would suck. And we already know that that's still when you're vaccinated.

Exactly. So what are we doing is my question. Well, for his sake, if he's that concerned, he should get one of those really good masks and one of the whole time. But it's still a risk that he's taking. I think he's just probably asking. He's not even asking. He's not even asking. Well she is. She's a speaking form. It's this little brother like they're doing it. They're really good. They're very close and like they had an interesting childhood. There's a lot of stories that go into it, but either way, my point is, is the fact that it's,

if you told me that if I got the vaccine that I was good and I'm not getting COVID, I'd be like, all right, that makes sense. I'm getting the vaccine. The fact that you get the vaccine, and you're still, you're just told me that the efficacy diminishes over time to 3%, and you're gonna tell me that that's what I need to do

It just doesn't work. It doesn't it doesn't make sense and it does it from a logical thoughtful person It doesn't make sense. I'm stuck. I get it bro, but you're gonna have to make it. Well, that's my point That's why I was struck. Well, I was trying to provide alternatives I was like I was like we don't know what's gonna happen between now and I think they're wetting isn't a So I think there's a possibility that some things could, that could change between now and then, who knows what's going to happen between now and then. But at the same time, I was like, what if we had an opportunity

where we had a testing center there, and then we could all get tested prior to the wedding? Dude, that would actually be the safest way. That's what I thought. If everyone got tested before they went in, if you're really concerned about your bro, which good for you and you should be, if he's worried about it, then figure out the test thing. I don't think it would be that much.

Think of all the expenses for a wedding. That's what I said. Do you think everyone wouldn't mind eating a plate that costs five bucks Last each just to make sure everyone I told I told you I told you I was like I'm more than happy Like we can talk discuss it on the finances about what that would cost for that to be an opportunity Because I do think that that would be the safest We'll put that in air quotes but I think that'd be the safest situation the safest will put that in air quotes. But I think that would be the safest situation that everybody tests negative prior to the wedding as opposed to this idea that you have a vaccine. That just doesn't seem like the ethic is well, you know what maybe get a price

and then and then we can pay for it. We'll pay for half a bill. And I'm not even going. But like that could be a good way for you to make sure ultimate safety, but you get to stand by what it is. It's interesting too because there are three best friends that live in New York are so pro. I don't want they put them in the Trump category but it never met the girls so I don't know them but they're like we're definitely not getting the vaccine no matter what like they're super on the other side of it and she's like I'm not going to have my three best girlfriends at the wedding because of this. and about kind of, you know, haters online or like, shit with Twitter and people getting upset.

And then, Rogan said, well, if you have a thousand people listening to you, maybe 30 people are going to hate you. You know, and they're way more likely to write reviews, you know, so then ignore it. And then he talked just quickly about the four agreements book, which I think is a great thing. The people should think about it. I'm out of my whiteboard right here. Oh, it's so good, right? It is so good. And that's a good example of like, especially with, you know, there's probably people listening this podcast that will either start their own podcast, start a YouTube channel or something, and you're going to get these reviews and it doesn't

mean a lot. Just do the work, it's fine. People get upset and that's okay too. They should. They should be allowed to get upset. I'm all for it. I agree. I want to make one more reference that he was talking about.

It's funny when you say that you have a thousand people but they were talking about like the Lord of the Flies they made reference to that book and how humanity kind of hacks that way and how they try and Oh, yeah, they're all yeah, they try and portray like humans. They're just gonna fucking like be savages if given the circumstance wouldn't Joe Dude it doesn't make sense. It would be like that. We survived this long. We won't just like savagely killing everyone. We at least have Joe does make a good point though is like humans They're on a spectrum and they do very greatly But I like to believe in humanity and I like the narrative that Michael was saying that look like In the Lord of the flies the Lord they had a situation

I can't remember some kids got shipwrecked and that Lord of the fly situation actually unfolded and none of that The savagery didn't happen like somebody broke an ankle and they like put them up and gave them a cast and everybody took care of everybody and he's like the only that was a good yeah he's like the only time this like survivor even like the show he's like you noticed at the beginning of the show survivor everybody comes together and then once they realize they have to vote somebody off that's what the savagery comes in. It just doesn't make any sense if you're in a small group. Even if it's frustrating, you can't do it on your own. Like, it just, these tribes worked for a long time.

Sure, they fought each other, but there probably wasn't a lot of like, infighting within the tribes other than training for war, whatever. I mean, yeah, I liked that a lot. I thought that was excellent point. For sure. I'm pens not working. Podcast is brought to you by DS laboratories Did you know that stress can cause severe hair loss with so much going on in this country?

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I was going to say the way that he... He was just eloquent with his words. He was so confident, but he seemed like he was fairly young, too. He probably was in his late 20s, maybe. Yeah, a young guy, but also very passionate about what he's told him about. Like, nothing was like, oh, this is a boring story. He'd be like, jo jo, check this out. And like, I thought it was so good.

I was like, wow, I can't believe how interesting I am in Coca-Cola. Well, he was saying that you can't remember the amount of energy that it would take for a human was like in a cup. I don't want to chop this up. It was like nuclear energy or something. They talked about all kinds of stuff. But he was saying. Oh, yeah, it was one kind of coke. Oh, yeah. So, uh, uranium, the block of uranium would be the size of a can of coke and it would cover your lifetime. So if you think about it, you got seven billion cans of coke, even though it's not a great reference because a lot of people in a lot of different countries don't use as much energy as us glunds here do but like

7 billion cans of coke sounds about as many cans of coke as they make anyway, right? So we get a get rid of that every year. Dude imagine putting Like the no much code. I'm thinking as far as like Joe is on the right track with talking about how can we put certain people in rooms together to have conversations? Because the podcast do anything anything that's what they do do and I'm thinking right now like what if we have Bart and the guy who did San Francisco for our I can't remember what San Francisco sick go put those two guys in a room because it seems like they're kind of on the same wave and then put a couple other different thought processes in the same room and then we could start like coming up with fucking ideas and solutions to what's going on right now because those are the minds that I want to be listening to you know what I mean.

Yeah, I think those types of podcasts though Joe's done a couple way he's had people come on to you know he had that like one guy that runs at the bunking magazine. like one guy that runs at the Bunking magazine, come on with... I'm gonna talk over each other the whole time. Oh, shit. Yeah, kind of. The dude that knows all about the asteroids and stuff, I'm forgetting his name, I feel bad about this. I looked like that guy.

And then Hitchcock came on with him too. But it's a lot because, you know, sometimes they've really frustrated each other, so they got a lot to say. and then it kind of makes it difficult but at the end of the day I feel like that might just be something that Joe could practice more and then he'd be better at like even if you just set media doesn't say even if you just set it up with all right before you come on each and have 10 minutes to speak your point and then we're gonna have some banter. And then like, you just broke it down into like different category, cold times. Yeah, it's something like,

I doubt he would like a time, let me forward. But it would be a good way. I mean, you know, a lot of the issues this, Bato talked about what like, you know, a lot of things that we should, we got in doubt. I mean, those nasty chemical mounds. Like, how can you come on and justify that? What

what kind of you like building a town out of radioactive material? The guy that comes to mind is fucking the guy in the Simpsons, the old business guy, the old. You know what I mean, that's just like what could miss you. But that's like what I think about when I think about that kind of situation, it's like what what guy is sitting up there evaluating evaluating because I'm sure he has a like a A cabin into people that are telling him all right. There's gonna be this is gonna be affected the rainforest You get fucked this could get fucked and it's like looking dude. They don't talk about that

They probably just flying with their helicopter They're looking at their stock prices. They're talking to the board and they're thinking about ways of crushing their competition I mean to say they're all evil people and I think Joe said it before. It's like I don't know if anyone's a You think like what is even eat like this? Put some nasty people for sure, but most people are just They're probably just sat with all these numbers and figures and keeping these Behemoth companies afloat,

and I'm not trying to justify it because there's gotta be a fucking better way, I hope there is. But they're probably just looking at all these things thinking how do we keep this company going? Before we say something like, hey, let's cut back and recycle more and do X, Y. It seems like all objects to us,

they don't actually want to do that stuff, they just want to paint a picture. That's all, and if that's what this is painted, like showed us to, it's like, nobody really cares about humanity. They just want to paint the picture that they do. Like the politicians, because it's not like they're... Yeah, well, that recycled, what was it?

Coke bottle made a shit of pain. Like, he made the point that of all the things to recycle it out of. It's like one of the heaviest-use crops. It's like no one void. It's like it doesn't make sense. I heard some. He's like we've made this recycled bottle out of camera. Yeah. And I can just recycle that as it just goes in. Isn't it saying something that Bayer bought Man Santo? Man Santo? Like the

fucking Ivy Provin company? well my point was with the other thing it's like not necessarily think about rainforest but you you look at a company standpoint that's dealt with so much fraud and that i'm sure that they're coming up and they're like all right well this many people died but we can cover it up like this and they're just weighing the numbers like that's always that's always what it is from a yeah it's like that scene from fight club yeah like where he talks about the car accidents and how it's just a calculation do we pay him out is that that's what I'm that's exactly the thought process I'm referring to that exact thought process like where do you

wait wait where do you wait in on that and a corporation can definitely see it from a like an optics standpoint like the numbers but from a human standpoint do you think they all do this? Do you think if Elon Musk found out that there was a water well near or a farm near one of his factories? And do you think that he would have the hindsight? I guess not hindsight, but the future site to be like, look, let's make sure we test that water. Let you know, and if anything gets fucked up, let's get in and really let's go. I got a soft spot for Elon for some reason. I think that he's doing these things because he cares about humanity and not necessarily about money. Did you see that his like net worth I hope his net worth went. Yeah, quarter of a trillion. He made 36 billion in a day.

That's what I was going to say. he completely dusted Bezos in a second. Dusted. But it's like, I don't think that, I think once you get to that point, and you were saying that they compared this and that, I was just like, I'm not, I'm definitely not there, but it's like, you get to a point where you're just like, all right, this is just money and it just buys stuff.

Like you gotta, you gotta, yeah, it might just be funny for now. know like we just got to hope that one Halloween He doesn't come out and he's like I'm a super villain the whole time like Damn, and he should be Elon super villain for fucking Like those memes that are going around what even so and so I like to think that we're pretty I think we're pretty good Judges a character and when I see Elon talk and I see that like everyone says that you got to be careful about everyone Things that are good judge you think I'm not every yeah everyone does if you ever met anyone that's like I'm a really bad judge I look at some fucking relationships and I've been like yeah, yeah, you need to re-evaluate

Yeah, but that's you saying it to them that my point is that everyone's not yeah but I hear what you do yeah good yeah just check him bro hey tell my friends out that talk talk my friend tell my friends out there I'm a good judge of character all right that's why what your friends are me so it's made of all this point. That's a good point. That's when I think that fight club, that was the reference that I was thinking to my point. I heard somebody make reference to corporations are more sociopaths as opposed to humans, because from a corporation standpoint, there's a lot of like, what's the word, like

disenfranchised? Well, they don't have to watch anybody cry. Right. How about your like disconnected from a foreign corporate standpoint is my point because you're never actually the person pulling the cord or like choking the chicken or whatever the fuck you want to say you're never that person here just a call in the wheel of how that's going down. That's do you think that's how they killed the chickens?

I don't think the strangling would have. I just want to clear the question. Here's a good question for you though. I think about this because I remember having a good buddy in college that was he started working for like the oil lines and I use oil all the time. I'm a gas guy like I have a gas car like I get it. So I'm not like some virtue signaler here, but I'm a gas guy like I have a gas car like I get it so I'm not like some virtue signaler here but I'm thinking to my occasionally drink it on the

bus gasoline but I I'm thinking to myself like where do you draw the line as far as like if I knew that my company was out there fracking and fucking up the world but they offered me 250K now I can take care of my family and I have a bonus structure It was my mindset really on like do I care about the Rainforest even though I know in the back of my head what I'm doing is actually fucking up But I'm taking care of my family and I'm and I'm we're living a good life I Mean I I guess you can look at that on any relative platform to because we're over here using our cell phones and our fucking computers that are built and in bad places too.

So it's like, yeah, that's not the... But I mean, there's a spectra to it, right? I mean, it might be different if you're ground level doing it and then watching people's, you know, water systems catch on fire. So it's undeniable to you. Other than being further removed, corporate, you're in New York yet you represent these companies It's no excuse for anyone and it's also not bagging on anyone I would say that you're total individual choice

but to be aware of it and Think hey, maybe I feel strongly enough to go do something else Maybe the opposite maybe use my skills to Make money even if it's a little less and work against some of those things It's it's up to everyone's choice. It's fucking hard enough to survive If you're doing well in a company like that Sometimes the best changes you can make it from the inside. You have to look at that point. They made reference to like senators that are now heads of Pfizer. You know I mean like GoFit. Oh no, they were talking about, they were talking about like your FDA.

Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, is one of the top people. Then you retire and you're able to find a or something like that. That's a little Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right look at it at the point of like, okay, they were at the very top of all the regular. So think about it. It's the same point I just made to kind of remember those. So instead of working for an oil company and then becoming very moral and changing it from the inside, if you worked at the FDA from the start

to be like really serious about protection of the people and make sure all the shit that went into places was good and then you end up working high level for one of the pharmaceutical companies. There is potentially also the chance that you could go in and do real good. I want to think that everyone goes into do shitty stuff but maybe not. I was in the sand trying to see the other side of that. I hope that for some reason I don't see, for see, fires are hiring the person, but I could be wrong. I know.

It's hard for us too though, but it's a bit of a bias. Maybe it's like, well, fuck, maybe they're not. Yeah. Maybe like they do get it. Right. Some good people that like we need to keep in our ourselves because we're all about mine. I don't think anybody that's making money is saying,

I hope that we put some more eyes on this money so we can regulate how much money we're doing. Well, but there might be some people in there that are like, we're also gonna get sued a lot if we fuck up a lot. So maybe it wouldn't be bad for us. Can we not go back, but I just, they made reference to how much confidence people have

in Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson. And now in all these companies, I know we made reference to how much confidence people have in Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson and now in all these companies, I know we made reference to it on the last one, but it's like, my how the, keep talking, I need to, uh, arrest my how the times have changed and the times where it was like, he, they made reference to like, obviously, Monsanto and they were talking about the pharmaceutical companies, but it's like, anytime you would bring up a pharmaceutical company or Monsanto, it was like, the inhumane and the, the, companies, but it's like any time you would bring up a pharmaceutical company or Monsanto, it was like the inhumane and the fraud and all these court cases that they've had against them. It would be like that it was like a unsaid but like known thing that those companies were not humane and not for the benefit of humanity. My point is

is they would take shortcuts and have been called out multiple times. And now all of a sudden, we have these vaccines and they're fucking like Michael Mao said, he's like, now we're supposed to blow Pfizer. It's like, what? Like these companies that we've known have deceived us for fucking ever are now our godsent.

Like what? And we're not aware. Well, definitely those Netflix documentaries that came out about Mosanto and like some of the pharmaceutical companies and what they've been up to, it has put them in a bad light for a long time. And now we have probably half or more of the population that are 100% behind them, no matter what crappy

vaccines they make in trying to give us. That's what I think. And when I say crappy, I mean, I'm still annoyed about that Johnson and Johnson Africa. Well, the fact that they're like, yeah, now you can interchange the boosters and dead, I'm just like, dude, leave me alone. I'm not buying your shit. But these things probably come around and go around. They're huge companies.

That's my point. That's my point. I'm probably partially come up with a clever way to make us like you did for a beer. Did you, uh, I'm not even sure how this works out. Do you pay for a vaccine? Or is it a free thing that they're handing out with? No, it was. I didn't pay for it. I went into one of the. So if you want to, if you want to, so who's? So they must be getting government subsidies Well someone's paying for it. Yeah, it's probably it's the government I would imagine yeah But the government is us because we're the ones paying their salaries ultimately right our taxes Yeah, so I guess we were paying her one way or another Whether or not they call it free or they don't call it free somebody's paying for it

Yeah, but would you want would you want people to have to pay for it? I don't. I want, I want anyone that wants to take it to be at a get it for free. Regardless of how much money I agree with that. I just don't want anybody to hurt taking the fucking thing. I know that's like not the popular thing. That's not the popular thing to say. But yeah, I don't want anyone to get hurt across the whole. Yeah, whether they take it or not, but I mean, you know, I want the best outcome.

That's got to be the most nerve. And then just some like good numbers, some good statistics that we can believe it. Isn't that such a weird feeling to have? Like, all right, I know I'm doing this for the good of my brother in and for my aunt and my uncle and my grandpa. And I know I'm doing it all for them. And then come to find out I have COVID. I got the vaccine, but now I have COVID. And then I just went and visited them

and I gave it to them too. But I got the vaccine. I got the vaccine though. So I did my part. Yeah, I mean, that kind of is a sign, right? Let's say you weren't going to visit all the wise. And then you go to that one. And it didn't help at all.

And now you may want to be sick. Like, that's not good. That's not good. All right, let's jump over to Amisha Jaha. Mindfulness. I wish I remember the last name. Yeah, studies, psychologists, psychologists, focused on distraction.

I thought it was pretty interesting. Their whole conversation was good. Like Joe made some really fascinating points on this and it's obviously something he's thought about for a long time and and in some ways they were a little contradictory of each other but but not really. I think there was room for both things. Like when Joe was talking about being in the float tank and having that recorder in there and wanting to record something, like I get that because I used to do a lot of those down in Venice and sometimes you do have fascinating thoughts

in there and it's kind of a shame that you're probably forget him. You know, you're almost in a dream state kind of. Yeah, to some degree. So you come up with some interesting things or at least you think they are. Maybe you play back and you're like, that was nonsense. But at the time, it seems pretty profound. And then recording it would be a core option. And as long as it didn't distract you from being in there. But one thing that she said later, and she didn't disagree with Joe right away, she was like,

that sounds like a cool idea. But then later said, what you want to do is sit there and just let these thoughts in and not let them really emotionally sway you or send you on any sort of spiral. Whether it's good or bad, just allow them to flood by so you can be conscious of like how your thoughts work, what you think about, and just kind of watch it and not make note of it, not dwell on it, you know. I feel that was fascinating. That was like an interesting... Yeah, you're studying psychology right now. It's an interesting thing that I don't know if I want to say a lot of psychologists do, but they try and get you to that spot.

Maybe like a super traumatic spot, and they want you to like rehash that kind of like they use the term just feel it or whatever you know what I mean. So it's like they want to take you to this like super extreme spot where you felt the worst in your life at some point or whatever. And then you're like, just work through that and deal with it and think about it. I don't know if that's good, but otherwise apparently that's kind of, I've heard that being a technique. But it's an interesting technique at that. Because it's like, those are certain times that you

seem like you don't necessarily want to go rehash. But. Yeah, but with some people, that's where things like PTSD come from. So if you can occasionally, I occasionally, I think that it might be good to head in there with the right guidance and not, you know, hard to say what that is. I mean, they're doing some stuff is so traumatic. They're doing MDMA therapy now, like Joe's talked about.

So you'll be on, you know, a certain dose of basically ecstasy, so that you're, you know, kind of rushed with what is in Dorthons, Dopamine, whatever that one releases, you're happy, or at least you're comfortable, and then you can go into these tough thoughts and maybe redefine them for yourself. Right. Some places are probably too difficult to go into. I don't want to say without that, but like it's you know if you're just on a level playing field, you go into your dark is trauma, even with good guidance from the therapist might be very good. But I think what so it's hard to work. I think I think that doing that practice and going back in and maybe repainting the

Painting of how that scenario went down and how you interpret it and how you're dealing with it could be a good medicine for you though You know, I mean like I think the way you just described that would probably be a good a good option for people I mean even me like I'm thinking that like they seem to be getting good results from things I mean look everyone like Joe, the worst you've ever experienced is the worst you've experienced. So for probably everyone, they have a level of trauma. And if you wrote it all down and lined everyone up, I'm sure it would, you know, range a great deal

from being mildly picked on in high school to watching somebody get murdered in front of you. You know what I mean? But do we take anything away from the smaller trauma? No, it's just as difficult. So you got to tackle it with like the best process I would hope. But also, you don't want to go into that. I'm sure you don't want to go into it all the time.

You've got to live a normal life. You don't want to go into that. I'm sure you don't want to go into it all the time. You've got to live a normal life. You don't want to think about that. Another thing I want to touch on is that whenever she... I always think about time as our only actual resource. I mean, I get food and water and all these other things, but things that are central to humans. Like, your experience, your conscious experience, your time is kind of the only fluid thing you have.

And she was like, she kind of broke that down for me even more. She's like, even within the time, she's like, your attention and how you spend your attention. And she always like referred to it as a flashlight where you put the flashlight. Like, I was like, that's a great way to look at it. But like, that's a great way to break down relationships and break down. Just the experience for that matter. like that's a great way to break down relationships and break down just experience for that matter, but it's like you have time, but like when you give your time and you give your attention to people, that's like a commodity and in itself, you know what I mean?

That might be a better saying instead of giving your time to people, you know, how do you spend your attention? Because that's, you know, if you have a certain amount of it, what are you, what are you putting your attention on? That's I think that was a good, I think that was a good flashlight for me to, for lack of a better word for me to. Yeah, she said a lot of really interesting things that I hadn't thought about in that way. Coming also back to like meditation and how you know you can do what does she say like 12 to 15 minutes a day. I don't want to be a critical I don't fairly quickly it changes it changes the those brain does I don't want to be a critic but I think it's an interesting thing to be like

it's her book it's her it's her it's her it's her remedy but it's just interesting she's like 12 to 15 minutes like if you go to India there's guys that will sit and be in meditation for like days. You know what I mean? So it's like there's different levels to it. Well, but she's doing it from studies, papers. So they're looking at exact time. She's just trying to, she's probably trying to scientifically quantify. Well, that's, that's the fun.

You know, what before was a more broad arranged like solution. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it.

I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm like, uh, what are you going to have a timer on your meditation too? Like Bing Bing Bing, you don't want to we poke it up from a timer. You're like, I just want to be able to come out of this and when I feel like I'm done. You know what I mean? It's funny that I have a like meditation gives me.

Yeah, but they have guided meditation. So you like listen to one that's like 15 minutes long. So let's say you have the choice. A 10 minute long one or a 15. It's guided. It's like YouTube or whatever. Well, now that you know this information from her, might be better to pick 15.

You're already in 10. Maybe do 10 more. I think that more is better. I think that you can find a lot from the silence. I think that there's a quote that this is pretty, this is gonna be real woo-woo for you, but you're prayers are you talking to God, your intuition is God talking to you. And I feel like the only time that you really provide that space is in meditation.

Fair enough. That's a reason you know, you know, that voice that speaks to you in your head. That's, that's, that's the intuition. I think it's, uh, that, that's the God, the God force. Yeah. The voice that keeps telling me all the shit that I forgot to do. Yeah, that one. Thanks God. Thanks G. Thanks a lot. Oh, I forgot that.

I'm going to do that. Well, you know. Oh, what did you think about? So Joe kind of started off slow. And he maybe had a late night or he's just tired or whatever and And you can kind of tell that he was like a bit that way like a yon to once he called him out for it and You know he's busy guys so she happens. You can't be fucking 100% on every pod We do one a week and we're 30%

But then he took the Did he take the gum? Yeah, and then he like started saying kind of really profound shit like about 20 minutes later She was like that I was kicking in and I was like I wonder if that really was it or if he just kind of got himself going Yeah, I haven't really tried a lot of that got himself going. I haven't really tried a lot of that. I will say I have been on that athletic green stuff. Is there is there one product out of curiosity that's ever like stood out where you're like I noticed like a super big difference. I mean I take way protein, I take athletic greens, I take vitamins, but if I didn't take them, I got to be perfectly honest with you. I feel. Yeah, what was I don't know that what was that one powder

We bought from that website with a wrestler was saying that it gives me yeah, that's a good point What is that I mean? Down that's it. Yeah, that one just from an energy perspective does That one really sounds like creatine's hard to tell Does that one really sounds like a creatine's hard to tell But study show it's really good. I take that most of the time and so but I you know, it's hard to know but that Beta Allen that's a good Yeah, but it's not like speedy, you know, you don't feel like you're gonna have a Haunt at that. It's just on that lap. I've taken a fedron or a fedron or a fedron before.

Remember that stuff that used to be in like a hydroxy cut back in the day before they banded all of it. Yeah, why used to get a fedron pills? Like I don't know how. But it was dude, you do a workout on that. You just just you're an animal in that but I'm like thank you out on like 21 this is my heart my heart is literally jumping out of my body yeah just working out like a machine yeah that's the reason but anyway I feel that was interesting I like to try what's your meditation what's your meditation I thought that was interesting. I like what's your meditation? What's your meditation? I have a lazy one. I use that VR headset.

I like that. And they have a they have an app on there called TREP T-R-I-P-P. This isn't an ad. It's just a thing. But it it's free and then you pay like a cheap subscription. It's like a dollar a month or something. It was nothing, basically, like $10 for the year. And they just have all these guided meditations on there and you can pick different amounts of time and go to different places. And the reason I say it's cheating is because,

if you struggle to concentrate, I'd recommend it because it's like a nice ease into sitting there completely silent and just focusing on breathing. If you struggle to concentrate, I'd recommend it because it's like a nice ease into Sitting there completely silent and just focusing on breathing you get to look at a lot of things you get to hear someone talk But it's still doing something beneficial for sure I thought it's way better than nothing. He tied once a minute I have some new tropes. I do if I if I could give a shout out We talk about son all the time, but I got to tell you, man, like the SANA, and I know Joe talks about it too, but just from a healthy standpoint,

and from, if I could only choose to do one thing every day, if I had to choose the workout or meditate or do anything, I would choose 20 minutes in the SANA. Pretty much 100 out of 100 days, if I had to pick one, just because the thought, like, the... Well, technically technically you can do both in that one yeah I find that I find that I find that I find the meditation within the sauna but I will say that I think that for anybody listening out there and is looking for something that like at least gets started I would say go just do some cardio and do some sauna

getting the gym and start doing that because the sauna, it's good for your body but it's good for the mental too. Like it makes you have to power through in a lot of ways, you know. Yeah, I would recommend that for any, like there are people out there that just cannot get themselves to work out and I get it.

It's not easy and even though I would like everyone to do it, I don't expect everyone to do it. So if you can't at all, like you can just navigate yourself going, you can just get in a sauna. Just do 20 minutes a day in a sauna and it's going to massively improve your health or at least I'm sure we're going to find out later. I don't ever want to say you can't, but don't run into Adam and I if you're around public because that goes well as far as saying you can't say you can't. Just nag everyone about what it can be. The only reason that we do it is because we see the benefits and we want other people to have the same benefit.

That's the only reason that I kind of like preach the gem and preach. You know what it is is usually that they've like been banging on the was for like 25 minutes about how tired they feel a little time and depressed. So I just get tired of hearing it and I'm like, we'll try this. I don't run in there going, do you just wait till they're basically saying, I need to do something. And I'm like, well, fucking, I'm tired of hearing you talking about how sick and tired you are. Go do some about it. Go do some. What do you want me to tell you? Trying to have a good time.

Chill out. What are you? Boring stories. I like that the DOD started funding her research. You know, and a real shout out to like the military with, I know they came up against it. They were prescribing a lot of those really powerful drugs for a long time that were messing up people coming back from war. But the fact that they're open up

enough to say, all right, we're going to try. So we're going to try whatever it takes because this is not helping these poor people. And I think that that's great. What if we take the hearing those things is a great approach in fucking vast majority of other politics. We just want to do what makes we just want to do what's right and makes the most sense for the most amount of people. Okay. Yeah, but I think the harsh thing for them was that the other options they had would not even close to working and we're creating really bad effects You'd almost need that in every system before you could apply people to be like all right We're gonna be as open as hell about this. It's like your boat is sinking around you and you're just like

Waving your arms in the air because that's what you were taught to do to keep the boat A float and then you realize we're sinking at a rapid rate. Somebody starts throwing water overboard and you're like actually we're staying up. I mean it almost needs to be that. That is what I was thinking about those fucking the vaccine companies. It's like here we are with with with the vaccine that's supposed to save it. Dude, you cannot get a vaccine. But at the same time, we have the, I'm gonna have to have a, we have the big opioid problem.

To know, while I was just thinking about, I was thinking more about soldiers in that case, like coming back and feeding them drugs and how that's not ever been a solution. It was my frame of reference. The fact that those companies, the fact that those, the fact that those companies that those companies are

controlling that and now all the sudden their gods hand pending us the vaccine at the same time meanwhile they have the biggest opioid fucking epidemic on their hands ever and there they're the sole responsibility of that

at the same time interesting that economy get it well I got an economy. I get it. Well, you know, but eventually, um, even marijuana is going to be controlled by a lot of these same pharmaceutical companies. No doubt once they legalize it across the board, all those guys would jump all over it. And you just like the gummies that we used to buy at stores will be you know, Pfizer gummies. That's scary But they're gonna get in there. The last thing I wanted to go over about her podcast, which I thought I Don't know. Just stood out to me is like the importance to remember that isn't about being nice or and happy

So even though you come up with those affirmations that are really positive It's not to be like now you're a nice and happy person. It's just like a good start. You know, it's like waking up early and doing some jump and jacks and some pushups before you start your day. Something like that. You're getting up and you're saying

good affirmation, like treat yourself well. But then I think the reason that she said, it's not about being nice and happy. So you don't have to feel bad when either you don't feel happy or you're not being nice. And yeah, try to be nice, obviously. But if it comes up, I mean, you can't always be happy. So it's okay if you don't feel happy. I agree with that, but I agree with that.

But at the same point, I think that there's no room for disappointment when you're living gratitude. There's no-well but it's gonna slip in, right? But not if you're saying. Eventually but not if you're not, I hear what you're saying. But if you're coming from a place that you're like genuinely grateful even for the bad shit and you know and you can recognize that too and I'm not saying that I'm fucking an pro at this but I'm getting better at it.

It's like even when I think think things don't work out the way I need them to work out or thought they were supposed to and then two days goes by and then it all kind of pans out and I'm like okay that had to happen for this to happen just to keep that in the back of your head. There's certain like insight to that. Well, I think what she's saying is like how to get to that point. I think all this stuff does lead to gratitude because she ended with like no, the intention in your life. Like what is your purpose? Like what is your intention for getting up and doing anything? No matter how you do it. Like what

are you working towards? And and that's kind of like the purpose thing. And I think once you have that, or you see that you're working towards something, you're going to be pretty grateful. Maybe. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty woo-woo at this point. But, uh, I will say the first thing I do when I go, I go take a peer, talk to someone, that's why the morning is right. Three things I'm grateful for every single morning.

That's like the thing I haven't wavered this whole year. This whole year has been knock on with the best game I've liked. So it's like, I don't know what's what, but I can tell you that it hasn't been, it hasn't been a deterrent. It's been only, it's only helped things. You know what I mean? That's good, man.

That's good. And on that point, let's wrap this bridge up. Thanks people for listening as always and Yeah, we appreciate you. We love you have a great week. Talk to you next year fam you