Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 309 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Jordan Peterson Et al.

Episode Date: February 1, 2023

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Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. Plenty to review from last week this episode. We're going to focus on Jordan Peterson's conversation. As you guys know, as fans of Rogan, Jordan's conversations are complex. There's a lot in there. I was just talking to Todd about this. We're never going to understand it all. We don't need to. Just get in the gist of some stuff. What are the takeaways? A lot of takeaways. A lot of takeaways. My biggest takeaway, honestly, was just a reminder of if you get structure in your life and if you're responsible and you're honest and you're open-minded, I mean, really all these

stories are about that. All the stories he was talking about that go back to the, you know, the Old Testament are really stories about being a good person, right, and being responsible and not, you know, taking advantage of your fellow man or your brother. The Canaanable story was the one that resonated with me the most because it just shows that whatever spirit you want to call it, whether it's God or not, that whatever spirit you want to call it, whether it's God or not, you know, they, whatever's out there that's going to create good in your life, it's really just like the the go-giver mentality of if you do good things to others and you're responsible and you're, you know, you're not screwing people over. All the good things are going to come back to you. It really is that simple. I think what makes kind of Jordan's struggles so real for him in terms of, you know, who

he pushes back against, who, like the policies that he adamantly stands against, it all comes from his understanding of these types of stories and also all of the data that he gets from peer-reviewed psychological journals. And he just kind of extrapolates it out. He's like, this isn't just, it seems to be that he's saying that some of the lessons that he gives about taking on more responsibility, make your bed, you know, don't be a tyrant,

have good conversation, open discourse, you know, it's okay that people don't agree with each other all the time, freedom of speech. It's like, this isn't just a path you can follow. It's a path. In a sense, not saying that there is only one way to live. It's not really that. There's lots of nuances to it.

But if you don't follow these fundamental X-way and Z points that he puts forward, ultimately you just turn into either a liar or a tyrant or Someone that's anxious all the time or depressed and just Not working hard or not doing things for others It's just such a complicated conversation always It's hard to keep up with them vicious cycle though vicious cycle when you get into that anxiety ridden, you know, cycle of,

oh, I'm not doing good, I'm not doing the right things that will compound on top of each other. And all of a sudden, you feel like you can't get out of this negative thought process. Well, this is why he calls his book, what is it, the escape from chaos or something? Yeah. How do I avoid chaos? Yeah. It's like, it? It's like, that's a really powerful title and a little bit scary. It's like, yeah, we all have a tendency if we're not careful with our behavior to go towards what ultimately becomes chaos or feels like chaos. I think we've all been there too. It's an uncomfortable feeling.

Absolutely. And that's why he was saying there's so many neurotic people out there. It's like we try to fix it with our neuroses. Like we're trying to, you know, whether you're cleaning up the house or you're, you know, this, this unconscious effort to manage this deep anxiety that you're having is, is being created and is creating this neurotic behavior. A lot of creatives have it. I get it. If you feel like shit, you clean the house. Great, it turns into OCD.

And all of a sudden, you're kind of going crazy a little bit, right? But if you stick to a structure and it's a daily thing, maybe you're not going to be so neurotic. Maybe you won't have that tendency to, you know, have to have everything, you know, perfect, but if, because you're staying on a path of, of just like trying every day to be better, be a little bit better every day. Right. Don't you think it, there's a lot of, what he's saying is just like, it's, it's pretty simple.

Well, I think it's, I think it can be boiled down to simple ideas. It's way harder to implement. And ultimately, it's not that simple to describe. And I think that's why Jordan always describes things in such incredible detail, pulling on data and these old stories to really kind of cement the idea. Instead of him just saying, hey, you should organize your life and make lists and have a purpose. He explains why not doing that is so bad. And we all, like all of us do with this, I do this too.

We just have these tendencies to mask the problem. Mm-hmm. Right. So you can do that with pharmaceuticals. You can do that with addictions. You can do that with picking kind of a righteous pursuit to like really believe in. Right. Like let's say you're become a big environmentalist. And you're just like, this is what you worry about all the time, you're always pushing for it, you're always telling everyone what they should do or how they should recycle or use less energy and all the rest of it.

However, you're always worried, you're always anxious and your relationships and your house and everything is just a mess because you're reaching far away with a problem instead of saying, right, what's wrong with what I'm doing daily? And how are you taking as much responsibility as you can for yourself locally?

That's hard to do, man, especially if your life is a real struggle. You don't want to always look at how it is right in the moment. You want to go down the pub and have a drink. Forget about it. Yeah. And the practice of humility when he was talking to Joe about how he's so humble with his podcast and that's really changed over the years too.

He's really, you know, gotten this voice of humility and just let the other people explain themselves. You know, it's really Joe's mind, we're watching Joe's mind change through each episode because he's so open to the ideas that are on the podcast. And I think when Jordan's talking about creating this conference that he's creating,

he really wants people who have that humility and can change their thoughts and aren't stuck to a specific set of ideals or ideologies, but are open to change and are open to thinking that, hey, maybe we shouldn't charge this much for energy because if you look at the statistics, if we charge X amount for energy, all of a sudden, 350 more people are going to die because they can't afford it. And how is that better in humanity?

Yeah, or encouraging people to use less energy, right, as an environmental benefit. Now, true, maybe there is, but I just got back from England, and I'm telling you right now what he said about Europe, worrying about energy bills, is so true from what I can say. And I'm just speaking about England, but I know these prices have gone up in other places. People have in their houses in England, these little boxes, they measure how much energy you're using

at any given point all day long. Wow. And it's like this new app that people kind of obsess over. My mom was drawing her clothes and washing her clothes in the middle of the night because the energy price was less. She pergadi. And they are keeping their house cooler.

Now my parents are in their 70s or about to be, you know, and he's saying that as you drop the temperature in your homes by just a few degrees, if you're much older, you'll far more susceptible to respiratory problems. My stepdad, I think got pneumonia twice last year. Yet they still do this because it's expensive and they're trying to save some money

and also from what they understand, it's good for the environment, which is, that's a good moral standpoint to take. Right? Makes them feel good, yeah. But to what cost? When it potentially could be affecting their health. It's scary stuff over there, man.

Like, we worry here about gas prices and other things and inflation coming up, but we don't feel it like, and I say we like, in America, I live here, I'm a citizen. You know, we don't feel it like that other places do. Well, and that, that reminds me of you also saying that in England a lot of times, or at least in the UK, you notice that people aren't as excited about other success, and they pointed this out about how in America,

Jordan points it out, because even in Canada, it's a little bit different than the United States, where people aren't striving for success or think that it's a good thing. Well, they are, and they're doing it themselves, but people don't encourage each other in the same way. Right. It's not as encouraging, gosh.

He was saying that about when he was talking to people in Eastern Europe, and they really wanted to meet with him and give him their time and discuss what's happening, and they really wanted to meet with him and give him their time and discuss what's happening, and they were concerned about the wokeism here, because in their countries, even in the last 50 years, they've had multiple examples of this tyrannical ideology going through their system. So they're cutely aware of it, and they're like, this is real bad. But they're moralizing, right? Well, it just causes problems. Extrapulated out. It's like a lot of control

and it just leads to a bad spot. Ultimately, if it just grows too big, yet they still look at the US and a very kind of they like, they like the structure. They like how people believe that they can do things themselves and are encouraged to and they encourage it, right? And they encourage other people's success, which is a much smarter way of getting better. I mean, just look at your friend groups. If you've got a friend in your group that doesn't like hearing that you're doing better and then kind of talks some shit about you and ultimately does it about other people that

they hear and they're always woe is me why can't I do well. That's a problem in your group even if you like this person. It's way more effective to have a good friend group where everyone's supporting each other and they're not like being jealous of you do get more of that here. The jealousy yeah the envy is is a lot bigger here. No, no, no, no, people don't support it here. I mean, it exists, but... Yeah, I guess it exists everywhere. Yeah, I'd never thought about it that way,

because they point out that success should be happiness, but really a lot of people see it as wealth and having wealth, having a wife, having a child, there's nothing wrong with all those things. That is successful, but I think earlier on, it was a bit contradicting because earlier on they're saying that successes should be more about happiness and happiness for

more than just a small group. Right? So I think the definition of success needs to change a little bit. And I think Jordan was pointing that out. Definition of success should be more, we're trying to help everybody. Into this more happiness for everyone,

instead of lowering the prices for energy and screwing people over without even really thinking about it. Why not change that ideal so that everyone is creating success for themselves, not just money wise, but I can have food on my table. He pointed out like what, if you make over $5,000 a year, it changes people's lives significantly and they start thinking about the future

instead of everyday struggles. I think that must be worldwide a year it changes people's lives significantly and they start thinking about the future instead of everyday struggles. I think that must be worldwide because you couldn't get very far in the US. No, I'm so in the US in countries. But yeah, let's say worldwide, you get to this amount and let's assume it's an average, then you have a bit of a buffer, right? You can think into the future because you're not just thinking about tomorrow's meal, which I'm sure a lot of people in the world have to do.

Absolutely. So yeah, they're not thinking about infrastructure for their kids or because they just can. It's not that they don't want to. It's like, you've got a problem right in front of you, you need to deal with. And that's easy to not think about at all. y eso es fácil no pensar en todo. Yo y participa en la economía circular, reduce, reutiliza, recicla, eco-embes. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

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it needs to be done. And I think that's kind of where they're diverted, the focus and structure, but I don't know, I didn't get it. I mean, Sam's such a smart guy too. I wish I knew more about why they're not seeing eye to eye. Well, they didn't explain it. No, they didn't get into it. I think they didn't want to kind of disparage it. What do you think of Jordan's suit, by the way? I want one. But really?

Yeah, dude, the half and half blue half red. Byron Ronin, you have like, uh, who's the guy from Batman two face? Didn't he have like a suit like that? Because like one side of his face was also bad. I can't remember if the suit was two colors, but his face was definitely messed up. I don't know, that's just what I was thinking about. I'm like, interesting choice. Smart guy and stylish. The stable alpha in the chimps, that was interesting, that was towards the beginning of, you could, you could even be the smallest chimp and you see this with chimpanzees. If you have this

tyrannical male who's trying to kill everybody, it's not going to work out for him in the long run, right? You could be the smallest chimp and still have power, but if you're making friend groups, right? If you're making friendships with the females, you could still be the smallest one and have this hierarchical hierarchy of... Like a tyrant behavior. Well, what were they saying that that smaller chimp just kind of keeps his head below the radar

and doesn't upset the patient? Well, he was saying he was making friends with the female. So he has a group that could that could help him if something came up like if somebody tries to kick his ass, he has friends to help him out because he's he's created those friendships rather than just being the strongest. He knows he's not the strongest. So he knows he has to make those friend groups and that can actually rise him to the top. In time. Right. Like it's more sustainable because he won't be being attacked all the time.

And then they talked a lot about the, the psychopaths who mimic confidence and it makes you look competent. Right. But you're really not competent. Well, to young women it, right? Especially he was saying. That one's an interesting one because he also said that the competent males that don't have that kind of like psychopathic tendency keep those males in line and that's why there's such a small percentage of them, but they're hot to spot. Four percent of the world are psychopaths. That actually seems like a low, pretty low. It seems like a low number to me. Really?

How many psychopaths do you think there are? I don't know. I mean, do you know 100 people? You must know 100 people. Of course. Do you think that four of them are psychopaths? Absolutely. Oh, damn.

That's not name any names. Yeah, I can't think. I mean, I know, yeah, I got, I know some weirdos, but I don't, I don't know enough about psychopaths to be able to say if they are. I mean, you don't really want to go around diagnosing people anyway. It's not really cool. But yeah, ultimately the most powerful man have the capacity for aggression that aren't psychopathic and that keeps those psychopath in line and keeps their numbers down. That was just one note that I had. So thank God for that.

I wonder how they do it. Is it just that like other strong men that don't have that tendency can kind of spot these people because of behaviors, lying and probably being a bit of a lunatec? Well, yeah, they get thrown out of their friend groups pretty quickly because once you, you know, stab someone in the back more than twice,

the word gets out and then you don't wanna hang out with this person so they're continually finding new friend groups to go manipulate or moving or moving to a different place and finding again finding new friend groups and pretending to be someone they're not until they get found out again. Just tricking people and moving on. I guess that would have been way harder to do way back in the day when you've just got your tribe. Because if a new person just walks into the village, you're going to be very suspicious

of who that person is. And maybe it was much harder in the past for psychopath to survive. I think maybe now it's, might be easier. Because they can, right? Go get a new job, go get new friends, get a new girlfriend, do whatever they do. Scary shit. All right, so let's get into the like the crux of it. So he's getting, Jordan is getting, well he has a lot of heat on him and they want him

to go do a re-education in what was it? Social media? Yeah, well, that and also, I thought was crazy this. They wanted to listen to Joe Rogan's, one of the podcasts that he did with him. I don't know if it was the last one or two times ago when he was on. They recorded the whole thing. They have the transcripts of it, yeah. And they're like using that against them too. It's just like a bad system because, like if you're in small town Bozeman for example, and you're a psychologist like he is, and you get 15 complaints over three or four years.

Well, that's quite a lot of complaints. And there probably should be a system in place to examine these complaints, see what they came from and say, okay, there's a lot of complaints. We need to bring you in for reeducation in order to keep your license because the licensing body has a standard of behavior and it seems like you're outside of it. However, if you're a frickin' Jordan Peterson and you've got 20 million plus people that follow you and you're like well known in the world, then to have

the X amount of complaints, even from people that you don't know, I mean, they can just come from anywhere. You and I could complain about them just because we know we are and we don't like what he's saying. Well, you kind of need to put that in perspective of his overall reach, right? Because obviously you're gonna get loads more complaints because you just, you have a way wider reach. So does this, he's never had a complaint for 20 years, right? That is something that people should pay attention to.

That's good, right? Well, and just because you don't like what he's saying, doesn't mean you can just ostracize him and kick him out of his profession. Yeah, he's had some tweets that are controversial, but he's trying to make strong points that have meaning. He's not just like putting up fluff on his social media, like, look, I ate a steak today. No offense, Joe. I do love those steak picks that he puts up. But, you know, you think about it. It's like the content is already set up

to be somewhat controversial. And that's just kind of how it is. So it's gonna upset some people, especially when it pushes against certain ideologies. I mean, it's gonna upset. Like, it's definitely gonna rile people up. So anyway, he's not doing it. He doesn't believe that these monitoring bodies

are backed in real data. And what's to say, re-education is going to change the way that he thinks. Anyway. Of course it's not. You can't force Jordan to do stuff that he doesn't believe in. You know, you really can't force many people. ¡No, no puedo hacer la cosa que no puedo hacer, no puedo hacer nada. ¿No?

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¡Pero me das agua de tu batidora! Recicla tu botella de plástico en el contenedor amarillo y participa en la economía circular. Reduce, reutiliza, recicle, eco-embes. ¡Uvati dora! Lomporo. Recicla tu lata de refresco en el contenedor amarillo y participa en la economía circular, reduce, reutiliza, recicla, eco-embes. I did, I did like what they were saying about the like having their protections, you know, I mean, I have friends that work in government jobs, and they do well there, but they have to be careful what they say. They can't be blog posts in a bunch of stuff or getting out landish with ideas on social media because even in the US they could affect their job. Of course.

Yet, if Jordan has these multiple income streams and really is like achieved escape velocity, which, which Rogan likes the reference, which is a cool saying, you know, it's like, it doesn't matter. He's fighting for his license because he worked hard for that, and he believes in it, and he thinks that this is wrong. Of course. However, it's not going to crush him even under multiple lawsuits. I mean, think how many copies his books have sold,

and Joe, in a sense, is in the same place. He was already wealthy and successful in different areas is in the same place. He was already wealthy and successful in different areas before he made the podcast. And now this is, I would imagine his biggest income stream, or it's up there, and you could still take that away from him, even though the type of media that it is, it would be hard to remove him from it. But let's say you even did, he's still really wealthy.

He doesn't need to change his ideas to pander to people. Well, it's the, it's, he was saying his friend who is also a colleague of his, maybe a colleague in the past and has a lot of money, but only has one source of revenue. Can't go out on a limb and talk truthfully because he is scared of his job. Yeah. So yeah, that's why people like Joe and Jordan are speaking out because they can. And I think they're speaking for all the people that can't as well. Absolutely.

This is where it gets scary. So few people have the position that they have and the resources to be able to speak out for this. So ultimately, even though they may have a narrative that's valuable and they're pushing towards it for an ultimate good for society, just because of the fact that it takes to do that, there's not going to be that many people that can. Only a few can do that, because they're privileged enough to do it. So like the average social pressure

is always going to be on the end of the groups of people that can become really woke or go down that avenue and they're just following the current and getting a lot of momentum and no one's really hitting back at them. They're only getting encouraged. It's like, it's a big force to work towards and look how powerful it is now. It's coming for Jordan.

It's trying to take his license. Yeah. Isn't that what he's working against and trying not to have happen? Yeah. Because it's creating, from his perspective, it's creating a lot of men who don't have a vision of a good future. You know, you talk wokeism and environmentalism.

You know, personally, I used to be really scared about the environment. I still am, but now that I have a child, I'm so focused on my kid. Before I had a child, I was scared that something bad was gonna happen. I didn't wanna have a kid because I thought maybe the world, you know,

would end or maybe not end, but just was gonna be so full of pollution and ravaged by, you know, these tyrants that he talks about. It scared me, but once I've had a child and I start thinking about what his needs, all that other stuff kind of goes away. But it's because I have something to think about. I have another person that I have to take care of.

So I have this strong connection with someone that I need to be a father to. These younger kids don't have that. They don't wanna have children. They don't wanna have a girlfriend. He's talking a lot about kids not having this vision of a better future, so it makes them just sitting there bed all day and be depressed.

And if they do go out on a limb, they're gonna be, you know, If they do go out on a limb, they're going to be, you know, having, you know, an ideal, like, you know, somebody to look up to, like, Greta Thornberg, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it might not be the full truth of everything, of what needs to be said. It might be, you know, just a vision that they think is correct, but really it's putting them off in another direction that might not sustain them as well as just having a vision on a day-to-day basis of You know, these are my family members. These are my peers that I look up to instead of having this one person that they can look towards as this savior for them, right?

Like they've gotten rid of, it's a godless society is really what it comes down to. And I don't care if you believe in one god or no god at all, having this godless society, I think Jordan is realizing it's just, it's creating a lot of confused and lost individuals. And that took me a while to get to, but really, really that.

It's creating a confusion within people. And there's no, there's no ideal to look up towards anymore. People are just lost. Well, it's a tough one because if you even look back over the last 25 years of environmental films, you know, and the first big one was, um, who was the vice president of Clinton? Algo. He made one. And it was basically like in 10 years, we're going to be underwater. And then they've had another one that did the same thing.

So it's like constantly making us very worried about where that's going. Ultimately, we're not underwater right now. We're having an effect, but it's a problem. And then they also throw out that there's too many people. There's always that thing about too many people. And it might be looking like that there's too many people. There's always that thing about too many people and it might be looking like Maybe there's not enough people or at least in the generations that we need to replace You know as people get older and retire

Where's the new workforce? Where's the people to support that? You know China's having it going to have an issue with that real soon So it's just kind of like these narratives of like yeah, you can can't, don't have kids. There's too many people or you as an individual or too much of a burden on the environment just by the use of you existing. So what do you have to strive towards? What is your focus? Like it's not encouraging people to be like, right, let's get married, let's have a bunch of kids, let's create this wonderful family, let's work hard, let's expand on the uses.

It's like you've got to feel guilty about so much of the stuff that you do. And this idea, like you were saying right then, that's not uncommon either. Like what kind of world are we bringing this kid into? And this is putting people off having kids? Well, what kind of world do you think you have? It's way better than 1850 when most of the world will like starving. Right. Like we're living longer things work

We got great technology. We're figuring it out. I mean the air is cleaner in California than it was in the 90s Because of better catalytic converter technology. There's more cars. It probably burning more fuel, but it's cleaner because they have technology that fix that. Technology will fix a lot of these things. Yeah, hopefully it fixes the acidity in the ocean. That's the one that is hard to get over for me.

I don't know how we're going to change that, but... Maybe we'll do it when all the fish are beyond extinction or close to extinction. Maybe then we'll change it, right? Well, what are they saying that last podcast? They've said it's eight years. Yeah, eight years. And we could probably save these species. Also, look at the ozone layer. That was a big problem in the 80s. We banned all those CFCs, the fluorohydrocarbons or whatever they were. And chloroplorocarbons, CFCs. And now the ozone layer is rapidly repairing itself. That's human intervention that we

could do. We can do a lot of these things. Yeah, in time. It gets rid of an apocalyptic mindset, which is just, yeah, it's just a horrible mindset to have. Let's think about what we can do to change things instead of we're screwed and it's causing depression within everyone because everyone just thinks we're screwed. I think the tricky thing is is like we go right at the problem, right? So we're directly going at the environmental one. We're like, let's fix all this. Stop using everything, turn your heat down, don't use power. Let's try and ultimately, though, the third world countries that are struggling to survive feed themselves

and therefore be able to think 10, 20 years ahead because they don't have that $5,000. Right. They're really boasting, boasting, boasting, whatever. Making grow larger, their own economy, which is often with big factories and industry, and ultimately a lot of pollution without a ton of regulation, because they are not in a position to have regulation that stifles it.

They're trying to bring up their overall economy because they want to be wealthier. Try and persuade a person starving to death that he needs to, you know, to not burn coal, rights or wood or so it seems like a better way of focusing on ultimately cleaning the environment is to get as many people out of poverty as we can, which we are doing. We're every year. There's like less people that are hungry and less people that don't have water. I mean, obviously more people are being born and born into being poor, but ultimately, a lot of poor countries from around the world are getting pulled out of this each year, which once people have that baseline, I would assume, that $5,000 that he's talking about,

then they can across the board start thinking of the future because they want to. They want to think about the next generation and what we can do to make it work. That's probably a better way of going about it, but we just love fighting. We love fighting about it. You can't speak out about these types of ideas sometimes. Eso es probablemente un mejor camino. Pero nosotros usamos de la gente. Nosotros usamos de la gente, no te puedo hablar de estas ideas de cosas.

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Ya no, ¿no puedes hacer lo que yo no hago? ¿Eso es algo que hace algo que hace algo can't even what it Jordan do he tweeted something about Trudeau that a conservative politician had already tweeted out I mean he just forwarded it and that counts against him. That was somebody who worked for Trudeau right? I can't remember. I think it was someone that was from the opposite party that didn't like something that he said. Well, we should probably talk about his conference that he's starting, right? Yeah.

The spirit, what did he say about it? He brings a lot of biblical references, but he's talking about the spirit that walks with you, unself-consciously, through your garden. That's what we want. That's when anxiety goes down, and we feel at peace, right? And he referenced that with Adam and Eve, and then he goes into, you know, if you do things as bravely and as consciously as you can, you get that that spirit that will guide you, right? without thinking about this apocalyptic mindset and really

getting a bunch of people together that have this mindset of success being happiness for the world, not just for a few tyrannical leaders that are gonna take over and tell us what to do and create this new world order or the what the guy who says we should all eat crickets. Oh, he is the guy. Yeah. God.

Oh, you'll own nothing and be happy. Yeah, that guy. That whole thing. The world economic forum, right? Isn't that the guy from there? So creating something that doesn't have a, that the overall goal is to help others rather than to control others. What is the ultimate goal? Like how far do you think that that can go? Like let's say you put this together, let's say the conferences are successful and people are into them,

and then their life is streaming them or whatever whatever and this is how the information gets out. Ultimately, what can he do with it? Well, he can get a bunch of like-minded people or people that are open-minded and we'll see what happens. I mean, that's the point of putting a bunch of really fucking smart people together. It's like a reeducation tool, like separate to our standard media. Yeah, and speaking truth, and having it backed by, hopefully by science and statistics, which is, you know, something he's always followed. Some logic.

Well, logic was, that was the Yahwa and logos, means logic, right? Spirit of Yahwa and logos is really the spirit of logic. There's an intrinsic universe and it's all an intrinsic order in the universe. And that order is the logic or the logos, and that's what we should be following, is order and having that guidance of, we are part of this world together, but we can live together with this world, and I think technology will help that instead of this apocalyptic mindset of the world is going to crush us and we're all doomed, then what is there to live for?

Yeah, I mean, there's always problems, right? Nothing's ever going to be perfect, but it seems to be moving in the direction of order, like things are more organized. And maybe we're just getting bored now, because it's too easy to live. That's probably true. At least from yeah, a lot of people, there's... Yeah, you can sit around and watch TV all day and... and get bored as hell. Yeah, indeed you're mid-30s while living at your parents' house. And you know, that's not going to make you feel good. Like, sure, you didn't have to take on a ton of responsibility and you could still have

a lot of fun. But it's ultimately, it's going to be a struggle. This is why so many people are drawn to Jordan, I think. It's because, you know, he, even though it's scary to hear, like more responsibility will make you feel better. So much better. It's important to hear it and then test that a little bit at a time, whether you just start cleaning your room

or just making a bit of a list or making a plan for the future and then following that for a year and being like, wow, my life really changed. Like I got that job and then in a few months, I could get an apartment and now I don't live with my parents and oh, now I got a girlfriend and yeah, it's more responsibility in a sense it's harder but super fulfilling. But that success, though, is like this advocation for more responsibility in each other is

Really it the ultimate goal in in Jordan's mind is to have this Advocation for responsibility Right, yeah, that's what he's advocating and as soon as you do that That's gonna get you out of this hole of thinking that everything's bad and this chaos in your mind that's creating anxiety and depression and multiple personalities and neuroticism. And, you know, these negative things are happening because we are not responsible for ourselves in this smaller way, this, this, not a worldwide view, but a local view. Of we can help each other locally and bring each other up locally instead of thinking that

we have to change the world. I think that's why when I had a kid, my mindset changed so much. It's like, now I'm thinking locally. I'm thinking, how can I help my kid in this environment that he's in within our community? I'm not thinking, oh my God, I got to save the planet. Or the world's going to end. It's more, I got to advocate for my child and be responsible for him and then put him on the path of responsibility and not have him think that the world is a scary, too scary of a place, right?

It's kind of a strange irony to the recent rise in anxiety and depression and they often co-alate it around the time that the iPhone was made or like social media got big. And maybe that's a part of it. Maybe that's a lot of the part of it. But again, as we've talked about, life potentially, at least in the West, where we're not having a war at home and it's much easier to survive than it has been in the past, you would think that people should inherently be much happier because of that, because, oh, look, you know, I can survive now. Like, we're not struggling to how many people do you know that are like malnourished, right,

from their food in the sense of like they can't afford to get like basic calories into themselves. Not man. Yeah. Basically none. Like, and that was kind of unheard of. Like a hundred years ago, I'm sure you'd know a few people. You know, even if you were okay yourself, you'd know a few that were really struggling. You know, very basic housing. They don't make a lot of money and, you know, they're living on mostly potatoes and a little bit of meat, but it's not really enough. And we're so far from that now

that we're just, you know, a lot of people are just sat around going, well, what are we doing? Where are we going towards? What are we supposed to be thinking about? And they feel terrible. And they're bullying each other online and giving each other a hard time with just feeling conscious, like always anxious. We know a lot of people like that, for sure. And we've experienced that ourselves, of course we have, and still do at times. And ultimately, I think that's some of the hardest parts of feeling down on yourself. It's like when you look around, you're like, yeah, it's fine. It's all good. We're gonna survive.

But you're still worried. Yeah, absolutely. We're gonna survive, but you still worried. Yeah, absolutely. I think it happens because, like you said, we're too comfortable. We're not getting out there like Abraham and striving to, you know, suffer, suffering from our own adventures. Suffering is too hard these days. It's too much of a struggle. I'd say everyone's scared to suffer now.

Nobody wants to feel bad, but we're feeling bad from not suffering. That's the ironic part of it. We actually feel like shit from sitting around doing nothing when if we got out there in the world and suffered a little bit and tried a little harder and failed a little bit more, we would actually feel better about ourselves

because at least we're trying. It's like resilience is a lot lower. So when life does throw a herd or at you, which you will, it's always gonna hit you with something. Your resilience is so low because you haven't been testing it or like really strengthening that muscle, building that resolve,

that it seems like every time life throws anything at you, you can't recover. It's like you barely able to keep up with those challenges, let alone create struggle for yourself. So hard to get ahead of it, but that's a lot of what Jordan talks about. And Joe, for sure, Joe's saying, get out there, get that work in, do it. Life's coming for you, be ready. People don't like to think like that.

They like to hide away from it. I get that too. It's hard, especially if you've had a tough life growing up, because you're kind of maybe always in the thought process of scarcity and you barely can keep up. So how the hell are you gonna get more resilience out of that? It's not easy. A lot of trauma out there for sure, but how do you face that you you have to face it?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's gonna get worse. It's gonna hit you hard It's it's those little elements, you know, I think that's the responsibility end that Jordan is always talking about Yeah, voluntarily bearing the catastrophe of their own lives and that Jordan's always talking about. Yeah, voluntarily bearing the catastrophe of their own lives. Wow, that's powerful. Yeah, you have to volunteer yourself to go through that darkness, right? Mm-hmm.

Yeah, bear the catastrophe of your life. Life is not easy. Yeah, bear the catastrophe of your life. Life is not easy. And I think a lot of overbearing parents are not realizing they think they're helping their kids by protecting them. But really that protection is creating these men and women who are scared. Well, that's what he said about the devouring mother.

Right. That was a scary little tale, Hansel and Grethel, right? Mm-hmm. And this devouring mother is overbearing and doesn't want her offspring to grow up because somehow she'll lose her power and value. Well, it's selfishness on the mother. Yeah.

Really? It's, it's, she's not doing it for the kids. She's doing it for herself to feel better. Right. And ultimately it's creating a child who can't fend for themselves. How many people do you think are out there doing that? So many.

That's horrible. I think that, I think it's a huge, huge problem. And you know just because of the nature of what it sounds like, they're not going to take responsibility for it. You couldn't even call them out for it. They'd have 100 reasons why that's not what they're doing and they're actually protecting everybody. Yet they're just continuing the cycle.

Well, and they say, you become weak and insecure, but that insecurity you were saying it earlier, it turns into bitterness and anger and resentfulness, you become resentful, and then ultimately you may become dangerous from this. Because you're just upset all the time, right? That weakness and that insecurity is creating anxiety, it's creating resentment, and then anger, and then potentially a dangerous situation where people are just at each other's throat, it's like you're saying instead of building people up, we're just tearing others down because we don't know how else to function. It's like this thing that happens when you

don't feel like you have the power in yourself to change things, you just get mad at everything around you. Right. Blame others. Yeah. That's what's happening. Right. There's a lot of that for sure.

Look, this podcast, obviously, and I'm talking about Rogan and Jordan's one, obviously, is heavy. There's a lot in there. It's a long conversation. It's worth listening to a few times. I know we did and Did our best that makes sense of it. I always look at these conversations or anyone's on Rogan or really anything I hear it's like what What can I take away from it that will improve my life? What's useful?

What's good information and what trap should I stay away from? What looks ugly and you can't always know it. I mean, someone like Jordan is incredibly intelligent. You can't understand what he knows, but he's good at speaking, and he breaks it down and kind of dumbs it down, honestly, so that, you know. You think Jordan dumbs it down? Well, for when he's speaking like this, yeah,

I'm sure when he talks to other high level intellectuals, he doesn't have to have such kind of like simple storytelling patterns. I think that's why he goes back to like Pinocchio and Beauty and the Beast and these different stories because we know them. So even though we just saw them as cartoons that were fun, we're now like, oh, I know that story. Oh, that's why that meant this. It helps it kind of get in your head so you

can apply these things yourself, or even if you're not able to apply them, at least understand, you know, the greater picture of what it means. It's a tough one, but I liked it. I'm glad Jordan was back. He didn't seem as angry this time. He seemed a bit more relaxed. I hope that he can battle the storm through this one and get some, you know, kind of credit instead of like he said just being attacked for the last seven years He yeah, he's got famous. He's got very rich, but it's been a hell of a battle for him. It's taking a toll on this guy Yeah, but look what he's doing. He's creating more and more things to To push him in the right direction and hopefully others follow. Yeah, they haven't canceled him yet

We'll see what he can do all All right guys, that's it for this episode. Make of it what you will. I hope that you got a lot out of Jordan's conversation and made as much sense of it as you could. I know Todd and I struggle with it, but we get what we can. All right guys, take it easy. Later.