Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 318 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Russell Brand Et al.

Episode Date: March 12, 2023

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A ver, ¿cómo es posible que llegues a casa de trabajar y bajes tan contento al trastero? A mover una bicicleta a rastrar dos cajas de libros y levantar un ordo microondas. Ah, para coger una chancla. Ah, vale, vale. ¿A dónde vas? ¿Tú con ese chancla, eh? ¿A dónde vas tru? Llega al mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimos. Loterías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad. You sounded confused there for a minute, buddy. Okay. I forgot what I was doing.

Good morning. Good morning, Pod. Cheers. We've got Russell Brand, Chris the Stefano, both hilarious comedians, both sweet and kind of brutally honest. Yeah. In their own right. Chris, he's a sweetheart.

Chris. Come on. I know. He likes Chrissy, though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but and Russell obviously more political now less comedian comedic but but the perfect combination on his show he's been doing that what for two years now. Yeah anyway that dude Russell's was so legit. Mm-hmm. Let's get into it dude. Let's go You are listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast. We find little nuggets treasures,

valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience podcast and pass them on to you, perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's walking dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host Adam Thorn One go draw the show oh Russell Russell brand hmm legend How's my sound am I good yeah you get doing God's work, Alba. With his new media channel and rumble.

Rumble, not rumble. It's rumble in the jungle. You know, one of the biggest points, and I think it just shows, and there was so many. I mean, this is probably the most notes I've taken in any of our, you know, however many podcasts we've done together, now Adam. Two minutes.

Lots. And I appreciated how he's really leaning into his, how he feels. I mean, he talked a lot about how he used to be kind of an anarchist. He obviously doesn't like authority. He obviously likes working for himself. And he talked about how it never felt. It never fed his soul. It always fed his ego as an actor, right? It was very like, oh, look at me.

And he, you know, he mentioned like in his childhood, he always wanted to have, he always wanted to be this kid that was seen, right? Because maybe he didn't get enough of that from his parents. Yeah. And he didn't go into exact reasons why that was, but he always wanted attention, right? He was seeking that attention and acting helped him do that but he realized pretty quickly that it was not him it wasn't

his his soul that was being fed it was just this egotistical bullshit that he didn't like well it's almost exclusive with stand-up comedians that eventually they lean so hard into that they just say hey this is this is what I was should have been doing This is what's pure. He's TV shows are cool movies are cool. It's nice to get that attention But the real art is like being out there on stage or just being yourself. I mean he's not really basically that right? He's not really going on stage a ton anymore. Is he or is he starting to again? Oh Russell? Yeah Yeah, he's on stage. Yeah, he's performing a lot sells out massive Theatres and you name it stadiums. Did you see him on Bill Maura haven't watched it yet, but I'm excited to watch that

Oh, it was so good wasn't dude his rants are legendary He absolutely crushes it and on there, he went into, I think it was an MSNBC guy. And he's like, yeah, I went on one of those shows. He goes, it's absolute nutcracker ry. Yeah. Brilliant. Malaki. Brilliant use of words. But what he really highlighted on Bill highlighted on Bill was that one side of the media will attack the other side, saying they're the fake news. That's all the propaganda. And you hear this a lot with people. I mean, one of my friends was doing that to me yesterday. He's just like, oh, well, Tucker Carlson is, you know, and Fox News, they're just this propagand propaganda. And then he sends me an article from the New Yorker. And I'm like, oh, so they're less of this.

It's like, they're talking heads, dude. Exactly. So he makes the point that, you know, you're in one propaganda corner, throwing stones at the other one, saying they're the bad ones. As if somehow it's any different, right? That's the problem.

And that's the problem with society right now, and they go into a lot of that. Oh yeah. You know, everyone is so apathetic now, and everyone's so scared, or there's a few things, right? People are apathetic because they're sick of it. At least I feel like the smarter people are, and maybe we're not smarter, but I feel like we're definitely not. Maybe not us personally, but the people who understand that both sides are the same thing are smarter in my mind. That's my opinion. I would say that that is like a higher level of understanding. Unfortunately, that's not turning into much of a change, right? And

it's still people, and they spoke on this a lot of, you know, people fighting each other is what is what the, you know, the left and the right want, right? So that they can keep on these elites, can keep on doing the same old same old and keep going to war and not really talk about real stuff. And instead, we're going to talk about purple hair and whose bathroom we're going to use. But that's why misinformation in the real sense of it, not when they called out Joe Rogan for either mectin and said that's misinformation, which turns out that's perfectly reasonable to take. I made him yellow.

I made him yellow, unbelievable. Right. But like real misinformation. Like, hey, don't wear masks when, you know, Fauci actually believes you should. One of those types of things. Like an actual lie that they know. And then later, they say something like, oh, you know, Fauci only said that because we wanted to keep all the masks

just for the doctors and nurses. We didn't want to run out. It's like, okay, they've changed it. That's a lie. Every day they're changing shit. That's still, we got lied to. Right. Of It's like, okay, that's a lie. Every day they're changing shit. That's still, we got lied to. Right, of course.

How, how are you supposed to trust anything after you have that? The hardest thing for me, like through the time of COVID and like this kind of misinformation, is I heard smart people that I know that I usually would go to for like good information saying things that to my ears sounded dumb. Yeah, and I couldn't figure out why And I was like oh smart people can be dumb too

And I'm probably on the dumb around of dumb But still I was just like listening going I've never heard them But still, I was just like listening, going, I've never heard them make that type of mistake before with their thinking. It was like they would just train out the door. It was cool that Russell talked about going back to LA. I knew he had a place there. I didn't realize he hadn't been back for three years. So obviously he's a rich guy.

He probably has a dope house and imagine it's in Venice. Hopefully somebody's been in the house. Yeah, and he just, you know, there was, it was left and he said it was like a time capsule. No one's been in there, you know, or that's kind of implied and then there was just like comedy writing and this and that. But he is, he is like description of how it is now in LA. Dude, it's so hard to put words to it, really. I mean, to just say, oh yeah, LA's changed.

Dude, it's a feeling. Like, I live there four years in Santa Monica. I loved it. My favorite place I'd ever lived, beautiful by the beach, comedy clubs everywhere. People having a great time. It's a wonderful area. And as soon as the COVID thing started and ever since then for whatever reason, and obviously there were changes

everywhere, like everywhere was impacted by this. For some reason, it did not blend well with that place. And it's a feeling. It's like you get there, you just start looking around, it doesn't feel safe in the same way. That's just this odd kind of, it sound like a hippie saying it, like energy, right? It sounds better when he said it, but it's exactly that. Are people still wearing masks every day there? Is that a thing still? I don't know. I think that for so long. I think that would drive me crazy. Oh man, well, look, there was so much here, but I think the vibe and the over arcing narrative

is like, don't trust media. Don't trust media, but things are changing and there is some positivity. But if you're happy with your life People most people just want to be happy and a lot of people You know, they don't feel loved and they're they end up leaning into this authoritarian ideology because they're scared right They're they're freaking out and they need some direction. It's like the difference. He you know both Russell and Joe mentioned that the difference between having, you know, a job where somebody tells you what to do all the time and not having a job.

We're basically, you work for yourself is such a different mentality, right? Like a lot of people who work for themselves are just used to not trusting authority or not wanting that in their lives in Russell's the same way. And he's obviously leaning into that more and being more honest with himself and how he feels. But there's this open-minded people are typically happy. And to me, that resonated. And it's like, yeah, people just need to open their minds up a little bit more because

we are on the same side mostly other than a few things right abortion religion There's a few things there that we might not agree on whether you're left or right, but mostly And this keeps coming up. We just are pretty much alike. We just want to be happy. Come on C'mon. Si del refresco la la patuna en base de paya y del agua La botella Como veces muy sencillo Los elbases del verano Siempre van a la amarillo Ecovernes Pero como es posible que sean las tres de la tarde Que lleves que haces una verdad atascote

Y que de todo el camino por delante Y tú estas ahí dan tranquila a tus cosas Como si te vese todo igual ¿Cómo es posible? Vamos Que tú vas trabajando, estás llendo, ¿no? ¿A dónde vas tú tan content igual? ¿Cómo es posible? Vamos, que tú vas a trabajar no estás yendo, ¿no? ¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿Eh? ¿A dónde? Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones.

Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimos. Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de that. So yeah, people just want to be happy at them, but I guess to end this point, the elites and the powers that be, you know, they were so scared of Bernie. It's almost like they didn't, they would rather have Trump than Bernie, right? Because at least there's some manipulation they could still do there. They really, I think the point was they don't want people to come together

and they saw people coming together under Bernie Sanders. And they want us to be at each other's throats. And it's this ongoing, you know, repetitive narrative that just keeps talking about everybody at each other's throats. That's what drives this frickin' economy. That's what's driving everything. They want us to not come together. So that's all I got, man. I feel like what Russell really does, and on his media channel, when he reviews the news,

when he talks on Rogan, when he comes on Bill, Maya is, Mar, what he's doing is really highlighting that he's four people. Yes, right? Yes. He wants us to have his much truth, as we can get. Yeah. And he wants to highlight the same people that sponsor all the news and media companies. He's a libertarian basically, but he just wants people to know the truth. We just want to know the truth. Right. And being claimed far right,

I mean, it's just such a silly thing to say. I mean, when people say Joe's far right, Russell's far right, he's gone crazy. No, he hasn't. He's actually, you're thinking he's gone crazy because he's speaking the truth and the truth is crazy. Yeah. The truth is crazier than the shit we're hearing.

There was an article recently that said, we've lost Russell Brand. And you know what was interesting about that title? It's like, he's gone somewhere, is what it's implying, but also he was with us. And the reason they had to kind of put it, they didn't write something like, look at far right Russell Brand.

Because he's so not far right. He's not. And never will be. Never has. Then you have to imply, oh, he was super liberal with us, probably more liberal than the person writing that article. But now he's gone somewhere else. That's the only way that they can kind of make a click baby bullshit.

And the whole article sucks. So click, click. I. In the whole of the stuff. So click baby. I was like, this is the worst dog shit I've ever read. It doesn't even make any sense. But one thing, one thing said that moves them away from the category. It's like you have to check every box now to be a Democrat.

And if you just say one thing, you're like, oh no, I believe in everything that you say on the side, but also, yeah, I do like guns. Well, then you're far right. Right. Let me write an article about it. Let me put you in a new box. Yeah.

Let's get chat GBT to write an article about you real quick. That reminds me to bring up the point about this, the libertarianism and, you know, you spoke on this emerging political philosophy slash ideology that's part libertarianism and you know, he spoke on this emerging political philosophy slash ideology that's part libertarian and also part like anarchist kind of and how that could change and you know, most a lot of people want just to be who they are and not get, you know, messed with, right? They just want to be there. They just want to be happy, like I was saying earlier, but this governing, you know, the more governing,

some people want more governing and these contentious issues being solved at a local government level, right? Like, I'm gonna go live here and do what I want. You know, maybe some of these communities will start popping up where it's like, some communities are more governed locally. Some communities are more libertarian

and people are more open and maybe, I don't know, but it was fascinating to hear that he does feel that way. Like, maybe there is this emerging thing and it is because people are speaking the truth and wanting the truth and not trusting the elites anymore. And the elites are freaking out. They don't know what to do. Well, the fact that he has like five, six million subscribers on YouTube is massive on rumble. On rumble, not YouTube or both. No, no, he has that many subscribers on YouTube, but he moved over there because of demonetization. Right. So really, what people do now is just kind of often use YouTube as just like an advertising platform in a sense. And so people know how to find them.

These videos will pop up. And then you know, go over to Rumble. It's like, yeah, click on this link, go to Rumble, but here's also this link on YouTube. It's like this is how much while they try and demonetize me. But it's just the fact that so many people are watching that stuff. And remember, this isn't like the late show that, you know, that those late night shows probably have as many subscribers on YouTube, but it's on every night in the

week on television for hours. Right. Of course, people have eventually found that show. Everyone knows what it is, and then you click it on YouTube, and then it has these numbers. How did people find out about Russell? He just started doing it, people started sharing it. It's like the Rogan effect. It's a beauty of, yeah, social media.

That can't be stopped. It can't, man. It's very exciting. What did you, so this one popped out at me and I really liked this idea and Rogan talks a lot about this endless need to advance, right? We got to get the newest thing

and capitalism is just keeping this, it's just fueling this fire of endless crap, and it was fun fueling this fire of endless crap, right? And it was fun to hear them talking about some sort of leisure-led society, do you remember that? It's like where people have more time to create. We were talking about it on the drive over here this morning of like if we had free energy and we had, you know, a few other necessities like we could grow our own food

and had clean water. Would we really need to work that much? Of course capitalism doesn't work that way. That's the problem, but people are so scared that if there's not capitalism, it's like, it's like we don't want our world to end before capitalism ends. They point that out. That is fucking true and scary. No one knows the difference anymore. We don't know what it's like to not be capitalist.

And everyone says, oh, this is the driving force and it's the best thing ever. Everyone thinks that way. Why don't we try something a little different? It's like almost like people would rather see the world and than capitalism and that was a crazy point that I had never thought of. Well, but when you've lived in a system your entire life, you don't know anything else. You wouldn't even know what it began.

Well, start growing your own food and potting your own water. And I mean, again, this brings us back to these old, I don't know what the answer is. So much of it is like we can have those debates philosophically, meaning if two people came together, they were like, what is the most perfect way to behave, period? And those two people could describe it. They could describe a human way.

Who are the two people? Well, just whoever's talking, right? Let's say it's, you know, they're coming to, just people coming together, politicians, countries, whatever, and they're making like a structure and ideology, like how you get fascism or communism or democracy or capitalism or whatever. Yeah. And then they, it's like these things are being tested.

Mm-hmm. Now, some things in theory sound great. I think communism was like that in theory. Before it was tested, it probably sounded pretty good. Everybody gets a little bit of something. It's all the same. You get the same amount of, you know, all the resources, whether you're a doctor or whether you mop floors.

And it's like, wow, that sounds really fair. And then, of course, in practice, it's ultimately been a disaster everywhere. And then money grab and it's an IMA. I was going to say, how does that become corrupt? It's always greed. Of course. No matter what ideology.

But think of the irony there. If you're running through all these theories and somebody suggests capitalism and someone's like, well, how does that work? Well, the people, the work the hardest, get the most money, all people that are just good with their money, passing it down to their kids, and then it creates this elite system. If you would take a step back and be, you would just be like, that sounds terrible. Let's not do that. Well, when there's no checks and balances right when when when monopolies take over and

governments take over and start working with with the largest companies on the planet and they're being corrupt and they're lying then everything changes that's no longer capitalism yeah that's total terrorism or or uh... in oligarchy that's just crimes that's not really how capitalism is supposed to be going. Like, you still have laws that govern it. There's no checks and balances anymore, right? There has to be checks and balances. Russell talked about a Pavlov and the dog experiments.

Well, not the dog ones, but another experiment similar. And I found it pretty interesting. It was like the bottom 20% of people can be like hypnotized, right? The highly susceptible to propaganda. What's more than old? It was just the bottom 20. Well, highly. Oh, got you. Then like quite susceptible is is kind of the middle 60. So that brings you to 80% and then there's 20% of people that can't be hypnotized, unfollowed for your shit are pretty stubborn and probably quite suspicious of things that they're told and whatever. And that kind of makes a lot of sense, those numbers. It really does explain how COVID could have worked like that. So many people were just immediately on board and went with it.

And I'm not saying I wasn't at first. I was 100% there. I think we all were. We were scared. Yeah. You know, this had never happened to any of us. I mean, it was the last time the bird flew in 1980. It also seemed very responsible to be like like I didn't have enough information. I'm not a doctor. I can't assume that I know how to just, I'm not that suspicious of the institutions that are in place.

Wasn't then maybe. Yeah, it just, it had to be like overwhelming and kind of alarming. But you know, as it played out, it was like a, it made almost the year in, and you would still see people that were like day one converted. And it's like, hey, have you not noticed? Are you still washing packages? Yeah. I look man. That's 80% of people though. It makes sense. That means always there's 80% of people out there. And this is what's interesting. When I was talking about how a smart friend of mine

was like, reflecting onto me, what seemed dumb. I'm like, oh, this isn't an intelligence issue, maybe. It's like, he might just be in that bottom 80%. He just believes. Yeah, it's just susceptible. Regardless of how many books he reads and how clever he is, he just writes his own narratives for why he should believe it and goes with what he's told.

People want to behave, they want to follow rules. Yeah, I mean, the punk rock ethos that was kind of in the banking system, right, when we were all against Wall Street there for a while, right, and everyone was protesting. And then all of a sudden, those same people became the ones that told everyone to wear a mask, which just seems very strange to me. Somehow there was this change in ideology, right? Yeah. And they talked about the placebo effect as well, right?

That was even a higher number that people were susceptible to placebos. Uh-huh. And it's like if you can, if you tell someone and they think that you're telling the truth, they're gonna believe it. And then they're gonna do good

by I don't wanna get other people sick, right? It became this thing like, oh, if you're not doing it, you're a bad person. Instead of you can do what you want. And typically, a lot of people on the left are okay with that. Do what you want. At least I would think, or at least maybe that's the old left, I don't know. Right?

Do what you want. Do what you want and fuck authority. Yeah. It's like the idea of liberalism. That's what they're liberal about what to believe and think and do. It's almost like we need four or five different parties now because people have changed so much. Well, let's have gone. So let's just get, do start with three. Let's get one more. Okay, libertarian though. Let's go. Yeah. But that's definitely what Russell is. Yeah,

I'm right there with this point. I mean, it's like centrist thinking, but also having suspicion for government and corporations and people with a lot of money. I think that's totally reasonable to do. Yeah, I agree, man. We need to radically change everything. That's for sure. Something needs to change radically though. Not just like a little bit,

but if we're not getting the truth in the media and we're searching for it online somewhere else, those types of people need to come together and start talking, right? Well, remember what he said about the, what was it like, the guy that wrote that book, the CIA guy, in 2001, information had doubled. Like how much?

Just from the internet. Yep. Just like, basically like, like all text and data had doubled in a period of time. Like within a five, 10 year period or what was the period? Yeah, I don't know. I think it was like maybe a decade. Or, but either way, it was a fast, right?

So now you're looking at like a kind of like an orgy of information. There's just too much to see through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's like probably the quickest way to really confuse someone. I mean, look at it this way. If you give somebody two options, right? a solution to a problem, and you give them two potential solutions. If they're both wrong, there's still a good chance that the individual could be like, why, look at the two, and I noticed that they don't work. I was able to think about them both. That's it. Well, now you give them 50 options, and even the right one is in there, or maybe multiple right ones, there's just too much to work through.

Well, and not only that, no one is working through those things. Even if you want to, I mean, Russell, Russell might be. He does it, right? But you just get sent something on Instagram and you're like, oh, that's funny and that must be the truth. And then you find out that video was doctored and it's all bullshit. You didn't have time to check it because you're busy. And now AI is going to be doing it in deep fake. And I mean, it's going to get crazy. It's going to get weird. It's going to get really weird. Yeah. Oh,

man. You got to, you got to be a value to other people and Russell is showing his value by, you know, whether you like what he's saying or not or you believe in what he's saying or not, it sure seems to me like he is just trying to get at the truth. And you know, am I fact checking all the things he says, no, but I, you know, I don't have time for that. Sorry. And what fact checkers are, you know, I don't have time for that. Sorry. And what fact checkers are actually not biased? I don't know.

I don't know. I have started using duck.go. I'll give a shout out to that because that seems a lot less biased than Google. To get system. So do you want to get into the masculinity? Yeah, let's play a little clip and well let's play the clip and we'll talk about it. Okay. New age spiritual is regarded as somewhat feminine and is certainly

by and large commodified it becomes about you know purchasing a pair of leggings, purchasing a dream catcher or a crystal. It doesn't have that aspect of discipline that is about the ability to prioritize your spiritual state over your physical state. This is the deeper reality what's happening in here. When you start bringing up into dimensional travel and psychedelics, it starts to recognize, you know, this is an important space for me. Interesting, too, the way that the arguments around sex and gender have altered, because like the Andritate phenomena has been an interesting one, but I've heard you talk about the sort of, you know, and certainly while they're outstanding crimes, I certainly wouldn't comment on any of those things and how they might play out.

But if you leave a space in the culture where masculinity can be sort of embraced, loved, revered, celebrated, then different models are going to emerge to take up that territory, rather than looking at. The masculinity isn't solely ugly. It just shouldn't be connected to massaging. The massaging, the massaging, it shouldn't be that somehow or another in order to be masculine, you have to hate women. It's just so ridiculous. All right. Well, we had to cut that off, but you guys get the point and that's this is something that It needs to be highlighted over and over almost everything that is discussed about Masculinity online is quickly being connected with misogyny. Yeah, which is not true. Doesn't make sense I mean the one person that really navigates

these waters well is Jocco Willink. I mean, it's just because of who he is. I mean, to be a military guy, a giant talk about Jiu-Jitsu all the time, you know, really represents what like a strong man is. Yeah. And you just can't connect them to like something like misogyny not at all but and I can see that how in a society like ours with all of this information and the way people are changing and talking online and just The differences I can see how some people would think that masculinity is a bad thing whether they think it's misogynist or not You know like being strong, being driven, being masculine, having muscle.

And I don't think that muscle and Joe think of it that way, masculinity means muscles. They mean driven and powerful and maybe authoritative, right? Over like, just comforting. Like I look at masculine and it's like, and I'll just give a personal example, right? This last month I didn't have a ton of money and it was maybe there's been a few times where my wife has, she helps with a lot of bills, but she, you know, paid for our mortgage this last last month. I felt like a piece of shit.

That is somewhere in me that was like a masculine thing or maybe traditionally masculine. I'm not sure what masculinity means now. Like provider energy. A provider, right. So when I think of masculine, I think of provider, I think of comfort, I think of like it's gonna be okay. You know, like you want to sometimes,

and again, it's okay to be okay. You know, like you want to sometimes, and again, it's okay to be emotional. There can be emotional masculinity. And I think that's where Joe and and Russell have maybe shifted their ideology when it comes to being masculine, right? At least I know I have. It's like being emotional and openly emotional is actually more masculine than anything I can think of as being vulnerable. Yeah. And that's not getting talked about enough.

Well, you know, I wouldn't necessarily say it's more masculine. It's just, it can be as well. But that's a new, that's a new masculine though, right? Because before it was, we don't talk about our feelings. We're driven. We're men. But there's still a place for, like, the reason, I think, the misogyny thing comes out, like, someone's strong. Yeah. You know, or they work really hard, or they're super driven. It somehow gets connected with competition and out doing others,

maybe by force or maybe by economic advantage through kind of your grind and your hustle. It's like this competition aggression. This is connected, right? This is whether like this is bad. However, that's super useful and people should have it and it should be encouraged. I'm not sure how massaging is being, yeah, I'm not sure if I'm following that as far as

like being driven and being competitive. I don't see that as massaging as massaging. No, I'm saying it's not. You're saying masculine. Yeah, I'm saying it's not at all, but these things get connected. It's like, you know, you're a meathead, all of a sudden, right? And it's this aggressive tendency, like even going to the gym. But that's toxic masculinity, right?

So there's a difference, right? And I think what you're saying is, it's getting pooled, like, the traditional masculine, that term masculinity is getting pooled into toxic masculineism. Yes. That's the problem. It's like a misogyny. They just pick any, like these different pots

and make them seem bad. And then, you know, almost like encouraging other men to stay away from those certain behaviors that are actually useful. But let's, yeah, but let's be definitive here. Being aggressive and violent is bad, right? I have a temper, that's bad. I don't like that of myself.

Yeah, of course. Of course. And historically, physically strong and capable is not or trained with Jiu-Jitsu is not. Right, completely different. And I think that's where these terms are getting skewed, right? That's the point.

And it's not getting talked about enough. It's not. So yeah, you know, it's tough, it's tough. I don't wanna say it's tough to be a man because I don't think it is. But I hear that a lot too. It's like, oh, you know, it's tough to be a boy these days. And what?

Is it? I don't believe that. No, I think it's okay. It's still a man's world, unfortunately. I don't believe that. Boys to be masculine, women to be feminine. Yeah. And if they choose to do something else, you know, then you don't have to turn either of those things

into something that's bad. Right. Like that's where it gets confusing. Yeah, and you know, I think it was cool the way Russ will kind of broke that down. And of course, Joe has a lot to say about it. It's just like, it's become the enemy over there. All right, let's finish up with Russ.

And you have anything else for Russ. Let's just say that, well, you know, massage and he means a prejudice against women and obviously that is horrible, right? Yeah. There is no correlation really. It toxic masculinity maybe, yes. But masculinity and misogyny, so different.

So anyway, anything else about Russell, I mean, I have a ton, I could go on and on. I have a million notes. I think we covered it. It's a great conversation. Like definitely go and check it out. I think the energizer, the battery thing, was a point to be the anxiety. Yeah, man, like if you can't tell your mind to quit, right?

And obviously Russell has this, this, I don't want to call it a problem. My mind does this a lot too, where it just won't stop, right? I can't sleep sometimes, because my mind is going and going. Or I cut somebody off without even thinking I'm doing it, because my mind is thinking about something next to say. And Russell is Russell and Joe, kind of both have that. Russell more so, but talking about how Joe has to, and he said it over and over again, he has to work out every morning.

He has to get in that cold pool every morning, and he has to get rid of that anxiety through working really freaking hard, you know, physically, and Russell agreed. And he didn't talk about, Russell didn't point out as much stuff that he does, but he agreed that the other something innate within us as humans and how we've changed, obviously a lot of changes have happened, but genetically and physically those changes like anxiety comes up if you don't get that energy out of you. It's like, I wish they had described it as

like an infinitely recharging battery. Because if you think of a battery as just a thing that slowly runs out of power, or even, yeah, runs out of power if you don't do anything, that's what a battery is, right? Charging it up is like really where this, it's almost better to say it's like a pressure cooker that's constantly building pressure and you've got to release that valve. You've got to say it's like a pressure cooker that's constantly

Building pressure and you've got to release that valve. You've got to calm it down God to release that valve constantly and it's like you go into the gym and you release it and it's hard and So often it's like okay Rogan is way more disciplined than I am with workouts. So I do my best. I get in there often I rarely will miss like a whole week. I doubt he misses, hit a day off. He probably hasn't missed a couple of days. Two days in a row in 25 years. Like he seems like it from the way he talks about it.

And I almost, yeah, I'm jealous of the fact that I don't understand that process as well as him. I think to myself, I can miss a certain amount of days. Yeah, you talk yourself out of it. Or just get off my routine and somehow I'll be okay. And it's never that way. You never feel better by skipping a day. Never, ever, ever.

You can, like, I can straight up go off the rails if I miss two weeks in a row. All of a sudden, I'm just like basically acting kind of nuts. I'm just so amped up. Right there with you buddy. Yeah. I mean I do it maybe a little differently. I go snowboard in the mountains, but yeah, it has to be done.

You gotta have that release right? And that's the thing, it doesn't have to be. Though that's a good work out. Working out, it doesn't have to be working out. Maybe it's just getting outside, taking a walk, or meditating. I think Russell pointed that out quite a bit. It's like for him, it's kind of like meditating or doing the yoga or chilling. So anyway, great conversation. I would definitely.

We could go on all day. That was a great one. We could go on all day. Let's jump over to Chris to Stefano. Also, super sweet guy, super honest, 25% homosexual. Well, he brought it up plenty of times, which was awkward. He wanted to kiss Joe. I was like, how much whiskey have you had? So, I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do.

I didn't know what to do. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah. Well, he wants to be the protect our rivers guy. Yeah, bring it on. I don't know, I think Joe was a little scared by the end. He wanted to jump in his bed with him and go on, you know, date with Jamie and sleep over at Joe's house. It was pretty funny. Wait a go, Chrissy. You're really hilarious. I cannot see him being a physical

therapist though because it wasn't he saying he grew up, you know, obviously he grew up in what Long Island or Jersey. I think so, yeah. Kind of Italian. Funny guy, but didn't really turn to comedy until later in life, what is he? He's like 38, a few years younger than us. Yeah, I think so. And what did he say he's done like 15 years of comedy or a PT comedy?

Okay, is that what it was? I didn't write that down, but yeah, I think so. You know, so he's not new to it, but he's like coming into his own, you know, he's a and hilarious guy for sure. Yeah, super openly vulnerable, which I appreciate it. Very honest. Yeah, dude.

I mean, maybe other than it's like, if he's gay or not, he doesn't seem to be have a clear idea of that, but who cares? I think he was just being silly. Yeah, I think he was too. Yeah. But, you know, there was just this, there was just this openness about the guy that was very relatable and authentic and cool. And he's doing well.

He bought a watch and he was like, kind of worried that he was showing off with his watch. He was like, this isn't me, I don't know about this. Well, I did like when he took off his glasses and he's like, these aren't even real glasses. I just, I wanna tell the world. It's like, these aren't even real glasses. I just, I want to tell the world. It's like what a strange announcement. Again, he was crazed me on.

He was being funny for sure. And there was a lot of, there was just a lot of vulnerability and goofiness and openness, which was great. It made me really appreciate that guy. I want to listen to some of his comedy specials. I think I've only seen one, and it was from a while back. I feel like he should bring his dad on too.

He talked a lot about his dad and his dad's lessons. Mm-hmm. Like, yeah, wild guy, you know? Yeah. He beat some people up, but he like had some advice for him. That was a little crazy. Beatin' the mom's boyfriend up for dumping him who lived across the street or not for dumping,

but for screwing the lady across the street. And Chris was what, 15, 16. So what would that have been like mid 90s? I mean, could you just, I mean, people just be in other names. Like, maybe, maybe. I mean, this would have been early 2000s, what we graduated high school in 2000,

would have been 18. So we're 18 and he was like 15 so yeah like 2000 99 okay, huh Thanks for a lot different 20 years ago. Yeah, but identifying like some of his patents with with Gambley and like giving it to Chris like hey, you're going one step too far Like enough is enough you're doubling down You're doing things that I do. It like helped them stay a long way from gambling, just in case, because he knows that that could really like, fight life off. But he started doing it with relationships and women.

Right. Right. Which is the same thing, but a different area. I guess if you have like some sort of addictive personality, quote unquote, you're going to find a way to express it. Even if you stay away from actually drugs, alcohol, and gambling, you're going to lean into it somewhere. It's just a behavior. There seems to be a gene, right? An addiction gene for sure. It's like what they talk about with, even with alcoholics. You know, if it's in the family, it seems to be, stay in the family. Yeah. And I look, I don't know. I'm not a doctor or a geneticist,

is that even worse? Wow. You know, I'll start out with this. The all criticism is the tragic result on unmet needs, right? I'm just segueing here because I wrote that down and that was something that Joe has been talking about a lot. And I love how Joey or sorry, Chris said, Joe, you got any good quotes? Just I know your Joey quotes. You're Joey quotes. But he he he seemed to really

want to learn from Joe, which I always appreciate when guests come on and really kind of turn it around on the host. Yeah. You know, it's just nice to hear and we've heard a lot of Joe's philosophies and it's the way it's things. It's probably kind of a bit daunting, especially for new comedians coming up that Joe has got to know and has maybe even like opened them up to like opening for him or just given them a segment somewhere. It's like people have known how famous and a big deal Joe Rogan is in that space. Then they come on the pod and it's like, you know, you're starting to see this more and more

with the UFC, right? People that are fighting today were like born after Rogan was already doing the UFC. Like think about that. Yeah. So they've been loving fighting their entire life and always seen this person. So it's almost like he's just interviewing them after they've won and they're a bigger fan of him. It probably is a little don't think to be on that show. It is.

And you see him, even with Russell, and this is one thing we didn't talk about with Russell, but just like how calm, Rogan speaks nice and slow. And it really stands out when you speed up the podcast. If you listen through Spotify and speed it up, well, you can't speed up Russell brand. Yeah, too fast.

Too fast, not even 1.2 ex. He's calm with. Oh, he keeps it. He keeps the cadence. Yeah. And I think that helps the guests, right? It calms him down. And I think Chris is like looking to learn from like, how did you do this? Like how did you set this up? Why do you? Why do you seem not as anxious as I am often? I mean, when he talks about how anxious he is, and Kristen do it so much this time, he did it more the time before he was on Rogan.

But it was, it's almost like crippling how anxious and full of anxiety he gets. Sounds like maybe the fasting and stuff helped a lot, though, at least body image wise right Seems to at least help a little but yeah, he didn't go into it as much as he had in the past Yeah, he certainly added some good discipline To himself to be like kind of more structured through Like how he goes at things. I like how he mentioned that on his show and even to bring his dad back into the picture

How his dad told him to do You don't need to do two shows here. Just do one do it right. Yeah, you know What are you doing? Nate and don't want your ego getting away and of course Joe is always that way as well and Seems to be very good about not letting his ego getting the way just trying to do the best he can and not making it be about money and I just trying to do the best he can and not making it be about money. And to Stefano, it kind of seemed like maybe he was getting caught in that ego for a little bit and scared

and almost went that route. Like, oh, I gotta do two shows. I gotta fill in both up. And even just feeling bad, I mean, you can tell, he felt bad about like charging $25 for people to take photos with him. It's just not his personality. Nor is his personality to fill up the Madison Square

Garden twice. Yeah. Madison Square Garden, whatever he was playing at, sorry. He had a theater somewhere. Like a good, a good, a big place. Like a big place. But it was in New York. So it was a home, home, you know, home turf.

Yeah. And so I liked hearing that, right? It's like, it's just this authenticness that seems to come out in a lot of these conversations, especially with comedians it's probably hard though when you first start getting big to not take on those shows of the way that like your agent is saying right obviously your agent getting 10% or whatever they get paid but but you're just like wow I just made all this money and I do it again. It's only one hour I could do the next night. I mean, here's the thing. Rogan, I think, would have, I think what it sounded like to me is he answered in two ways.

He was proud of the philosophy that, um, De Stefano's dad gave him. And it's like, yes, stay away from these traps that ultimately are a problem. But I also think Rogan was like, uh, also why not just do the other show? Lean into it, get paid. Yeah. And if you can fill it up, yeah, why not? I think, yeah, he's looking for that answer, maybe.

He's like, it's just one more hour you could do it. But the point that the Stefan I was making was like important. And it was kind of explicit to the structure of a behavior that ultimately could cause some issues for him, right? It's like leaning into greed. So it was cool that he got to see that early. You know, early in this like comedy development,

he doesn't have to be like, okay, I've got this, now I need twice that, now I need four times that, now I need bigger, it't have to be like, okay, I've got this. Now I need twice that. Now I need four times that. Now I need bigger. It's cool to be ambitious and it's important. You should be. But just let that happen. When it was cool to hear him talk about hiring other people to do a social media because that was really bugging him and he was getting wrapped up in social media. Oh, if this guy's doing it this way, I need to do it this way. And he just seemed a little unsure. He still seems a little unsure of himself, right?

The confidence is not fully there. No. I think sometimes you can see it, like probably when he gets on stage, right? Yeah. Um, you know, when he tells that cat joke about his mom's dog, or with his mom's dog, I've heard that one in the past. Uh-huh. So freaking good.

So good. I think he's gonna give him electrolytes insteadtes instead of the drug to kill the dog, they didn't euthanize it. Like, here's some electrolytes of fucking... What was the dog's name, Frankie, or something? Yeah, I can't remember. Anyway, he's very confident when he's telling that joke and when he's in his element,

but you could sense a little bit of this unsure... Chris. Yeah, but I think this... Which everybody's like that. Of course, but there's vulnerability that he does and doing it on such a big platform too. Yeah, yeah. Is I think that that's ultimately confidence building.

I think that's how people, like this is kind of how Joe has become a very confident like strong man. It's because he had these conversations with himself early on, and it was like this reflective process. He didn't pretend he was something else. He was just like, okay, I feel this way. I'm nervous about this.

This is difficult. I struggle with this. And by being clear about it, he's able to move himself through a different position. It's probably a big part of like, why Chris talked less about anxiety this time. Maybe he's like probably a bit less anxious. Like, it's going good.

It's got some nice watch and some glasses. Love it. Love it. Let's finish with Mickey Mouse voice. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Traitorium with Mickey Mouse voice. Oh yeah. Oh Traderay almost Palestine. Weird. Yeah. Where's that coming from? So people are getting this like what is it like a throat chest infection? Something from the

water they're drinking or that maybe it's just breathing in the air that has full of so many toxic petrochemicals. Yeah. And now they sound like Mickey Mouse and they have to live with this yeah i don't know if it's permanent why isn't that on the news brrrr i feel like ha you know

okay so they don't really talk about this on the news course not which is really freaking scary but you're not gonna be at a cover that up as millions of people up there i mean teflon covered it up for a long time until what the movie came out 20 years later about cows dying from drinking the water and this and that. Did you see that film? About Teflon and Dupont.

About frying pans? Oh yeah, just Teflon, you know, the chemicals used and I'm getting off track a minute but it's the same thing really. Petrochemicals foaming up the water and they don't go away, right? Because it's plastic and it's oil on it. It doesn't go anywhere.

It doesn't buy over to great. That's the fucked up thing. Yeah, all I would say is if you guys are listening from that area, hearts go out to you. Seriously, I'm sorry that happened to you. It sounds awful. A email is in a bio. Shoot us an email and tell us what it's like if you live in that or

what you're doing to prepare for it or do you know anyone that has Mickey Mass voice? And can you, do you have enough money to leave the area? Because I feel like I would, if I was there and if I could get out of there, I would get the heck out of there. Get a Florida. Somewhere. For a bet. Whatcha up for Gators? It's, yeah's, yeah sad. It was a good week.

Good week of pods. Ladies and gents. Thank you so much. Thank you Todd. Thank you, buddy. See you next week guys. See you next week. you