Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 323 Joe Rogan Experience Review of David Choe Et al.

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

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Now with your host, Adam Thorn. Might either be the worst podcast with the best one or the best one. One, go. Enjoy the show. Alright, and welcome to the show. All right and welcome to the show Join as always by my fearless co-host Todd heath. How are you doing buddy? All right. I'm great buddy. I'm fearless today. I love that. Yeah, you're fearless Fearless and you're calling it in so hopefully the sound is okay

Remember to keep your, keep your vocals high. See that for me. I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna keep yelling, buddy. Nice. We got David Cho today. What a beautiful lunatic he is. And then Mike Veccioni. That's how I'd like to think.

Veccioni. I know, very Italian. Funny guy. Funny guy. Funny guy. All right, let's get into it. David Cho. Man is he eccentric. I mean, let's be honest.

It's expected. But sometimes a little difficult to kind of keep track of his thought process there. So one of those guys. Dude, I mean, I just had no idea. I've seen his art, you know, I've seen his art where he, you know, he's obviously done some really cool paintings. He's pretty bizarre paintings as well. I mean, he's all over the board with his art. Uh-huh. If you've seen it, I mean, I checked out his website. It's just there's just so many different things he's done as far as art. I mean, he's he's he's painted Rogan that painting a Rogan that he did was sweet the coolest one that I thought was that one of

Bordeie Anthony Bordeie. Did you see that one? Yeah, that one's really cool. Yeah, for sure. That's badass I mean, what's up with the red paint on his face? He never really explained himself there. If you would be in the dirt. I don't know. Maybe he's like, he was talking about that African tribe a lot. Maybe he's just dressing himself up. I think he also wanted to test to see if people in Austin would look at him like he's a weirdo and they seem to be cool with him. He's looking to move to Austin, kinder, is what it sounds sounds like he likes that town who wants to get out of LA And maybe he's like hey, let's see as long as they go good kimchi and they kind of accept his eccentric behavior He might be in good shape

Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I mean, I guess he had to test it out, right? Yep Yep, I mean it says some cool things for Austin, if they didn't think that he seemed like too much of a widow. He was dressed like that when he went to the barbecue place. I know. What? Yeah, sorry. His newest trip, he says he wants to go to Africa and live in a cage, right? Yeah. And he said that they also did a movie. What was this? The hot said, the hot said is the tribe there? Uh huh.

Okay, so he's gonna go live with these people in a cave for how long? He said like a year. Yeah, I don't know how feasible that is, really. I mean, it sounds like a great adventure, but after how long would you realize I just kind of want to like a nice bed? I mean, he has a lot of luxuries and a ton of money. So maybe this is just like an eccentric kind of

romantic fantasy of his to do, but I don't know if it's very sustainable. What it sounds like to me is he has so much money and always has, that he's just got really bored with everything, which is reasonable. Right. And now he just doesn't kind of know what to do with himself. It almost made him like more lost in a way. I feel that. I feel that for sure. It's like he's been searching for a long time to figure out what he really wants in life and he's done so many different things with his already just gives it away. Yeah. You know, he tries to be a philanthropist to make him feel better, but that clearly isn't

doing enough for him. I mean, he is just pushing himself, dude. He's just so out there. And I mean, what a cool dude, really. Oh, yeah, you have the luxuries to be able to do whatever you want. Why not go live in a cave in Africa? Maybe that'll be good for him. Well, I think all the adventures and opportunities that he has are really cool. It's just, it's, it's almost like a bit of a shame listening

to it that he hasn't found this ultimate piece with himself as well. Like now he say he's on the spiritual journey because he's done everything else. Like he banged all the supermodels and bought all the toys, gone on all the adventures, but now it's just what's left is this kind of altruistic, help everybody, spiritual journey.

And I don't know. I just like, you know, I think a lot of people would trade their lives for his, meaning you just have infinite money. He really can do whatever you want. And it would seem to a lot of people like, that's better. It's better than what they have. They would take it. In some way though, when you're listening to him, it's like, I don't know. I don't know how satisfied baby is. I think their searching is, it sounds

almost exhausting. Yeah, I agree. I mean, if you, if you watch that movie happy, you've ever seen that movie called happy. Uh, no. It talks about it's, I believe it was made by the guy who made Ace Ventura. He went, he kind of lost his mind there for a minute and he didn't want to be famous anymore. So he just kind of went on his own little adventure on his own little David show journey. And then he made a film about who are the happiest people in the world. And they came to the conclusion that the happiest people in the world are people in India that basically lived in Chanty towns and drink parasitic water all day but they're the

happiest because they have family and they're surrounded by cousins and grandfathers and uncles and just a bunch of family and they're just living simple lives. You know, they're going to get water every day. They're cooking food together. They're just it's just so simplistic but they are clearly the happiest people according to this film and it makes a lot of sense really. Well, it's interesting you say that because, you know, I don't, I didn't get the chance to make a documentary and interview tons of people. But just in my life, if you ask me who the happiest single person,

or most content human I've ever met was, it's this guy I used to talk to when I lived in Sri Lanka, which is just the island south of India. And yeah, he kind of lived outside of the house that we were renting, where we were teaching English there. And what was interesting about him is he had no one to live, so he was homeless, but he spoke English. So he had some education. And he was always reading, always had a book on him that he would like find in these like piles of trash. And he would recycle plastic water bottles, or just bottles.

He would go around to the piles of trash and collect up enough every day so that he could have this big rice meal and he would just eat once a day. And I talked to him enough times, because I was there. I guess we were staying in that house almost four months. And I would see him most mornings and he was always very pleasant and happy and just call the talk to and liked, you know, practicing

his English. But he'd like to tell me about things that were happening in the book and these kind of beautiful observations that weren't, you weren't wacky and out there. It was just like stuffy and admired or seen that day. And I asked him a few times, I'm like, how is this, how does this make you happy? And I was just curious, I mean, it was young too. So I probably wasn't being super attacked for my questioning, but I just wanted to know.

I didn't want to him to feel bad. And he always just seemed really content. And he's like, yeah, because I know every day I get to eat. And I'm in the community that I was raised in, and people respect me here. And I just need for nothing. And this is what I want to do. He goes, I just don't have any of the kind of other confusions

or distractions in life. And it just, it was just so hard to understand, especially when you're 20, because you know, you're thinking about schooling or your career or building a life and wanting money, just stuff that the West kind of trains you to think you need. It was so bizarre, but I'll never forget that guy. Hmm. You know, I've seen a lot of old dudes up at the ski hill that do the same thing every single day. And I would say those are the happiest people that I know. Really? Yeah, there's this one. There's this one due to who used to ride his bike to the ski hill every day. And he's up there every day. Every single day he can ski. He, you know, he's got a snack in

his backpack, you know, he's got a little bit of lunch that he made for himself. He goes to the same run at the end of the day. They, they hang out in the shack and probably smoke a little weed. And then they ski down after 4 p.m. and he just does it every day. And he's got his little hang out with a few of his friends that do the same thing. And they're all like in their late 60s, early 70s and they've been doing it since the early 90s or maybe even 80s. They've been doing this for 40 years every day. Wow. And it's just that I think it's that simplicity. I think it's really just having that, you know, money brings a lot of problems.

Like you said, you think a career, yeah, is great, whatever, if that's what you're into, that's awesome. But sometimes that just adds more stress to your life. And if you have the same thing, you know what you're doing every day. There's not a bunch of stressors. I totally get that. I could see how it would be a perfect life. A ver, pero ¿cómo es posible que llegues a casa de trabajar y bajes tan contento al trastero? A mover una bicicleta a rastar dos cajas de libros y levantar un orden microondas, para coger una chancla. ¿A dónde vas tú con ese chancla, eh? ¿A dónde vas tú?

Llega el mejor momento del año, llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de julio, sorteo extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún de cimo. Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad? Pero ¿cómo es posible que sean las tres de la tarde? Que lleves casi una hora de atascote y quede todo el camino por delante y tú estas ahí dan tranquila a tus cosas. ¿Cómo si te vese todo igual? ¿Cómo es posible? Vamos, que tú vas a trabajar no estás yendo, ¿no?

¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿Eh? ¿A dónde? Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimos. Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad. No, no, no, no. Pero definitivamente, la más contenta que lo que tengo.

Bueno, eso es como lo que dice para él, ¿no? Huh, but definitely the most content dude that I know Well, that kind of speaks for itself, right because it's hard to fake being content Continuously if it's not true And oh, yeah, you can't fake it. No. What is he doing the summer when there's no skiing? Not sure huh Yeah, I don't know. I know he lives close to not sure. Huh. Yeah, I don't know. I know he lives close to uh, British or bowl, which is the ski hill. Right. And you know, like you're like a said, he would ride his bike to the ski hill didn't even drive. I think, um, that's a good

question. I'll have to figure out what he does in the summertime. Yeah, he'd be a good person to interview just a kind of learned, you know, like his process, and what's going on. Yeah. And you know, I think the fear of that type of life is like, okay, well, you know, it's hard to have a family and support them, but not necessary for everybody. Also, what do you do when you're kind of too old to work,

you know, how do you have a retirement or whatever? But ultimately, your health's gonna fail anyway. You know, I mean, everyone's gonna die. So I don't know how prepared we are supposed to be. Are we really supposed to sacrifice our whole lives just to be prepared for like the last 10, 15 years? It's a tough question. I would say that that's probably the problem, right?

We think that we need to do that when really we shouldn't be doing that. Yeah. Maybe, maybe not. I mean. Well, it's so much of the middle of our lives. And maybe that's something that, you know, I mean, David didn't need to do that, right?

He was super wealthy early on. So most of everything he was doing was kind of being wacky and exploring his way and kind of leaning into pleasures and leaning into consumerism and leaning into buying the coolest pool that some of the rich guy told him to get that was what oxygenated instead of chlorine and uh yeah yeah like better than the salt one, apparently, there's an oxygenated one that's even better than the, than the salt pool. Right.

But, you know, how often is, how often is he swimming in there, or even enjoying his house? I mean, if he wants to escape to Africa and go live in a cave, then that route, at least for him, is clearly not what's going to work. Well, no, I feel like if you got a higher a Russian dude for $600 an hour to be your trainer, to basically beat you up, there's something else going on that's missing in your life. Yeah. You've got to find something. That's so extreme.

But didn't he say he was getting ready for the survivor show? Oh, is that why? I think he was like coincided with that. So he wanted to get a real good shape. And he needed a lot of motivation because, you know, who's to tell him what to do, right? He'd just be like, no, I don't want to do that today. And then not do it. So he has a Russian trainer that would beat him up.

That's, but again, it kind of fits like in a sense, that's like an artsy thing to do as well. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, look, obviously, he's into extremes, right? Yeah. He like has to do everything to the extreme. I mean, he's not, he doesn't seem content. I think that's really what it comes down to. He's searching for sure. And you could, you could feel it in, in, in, just his conversation with Joe, even, even telling Joe that he loved him so much, you know,

there was like this search to wanna be accepted or something, you know? Sure. Did you feel that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's, you know, that's like a very kind of hippie spiritual person thing to do, you know, start the part with a hug. Joe's not a post

to it, but he doesn't usually like force that on other people, but it does kind of describe somebody that maybe wears a lot of beads. Just be like, I'm a hugger, man. Like they could have forced that on everybody. Well, he's definitely searching after L.A. You know, I mean, what was he saying that he has a baseball bat that he mostly only uses to threaten to hit people with? And there's like junkies around his house constantly. And this is kind of a new thing, like a post-COVID or during COVID event that these things were popping up. And, you know, he's talking about it just not being safe and feeling safe there. Right. What a mess. Yeah, I don't think I'd I don't think I'd feel safe there too. I mean that it's just there's just too many people man. I mean Joe talks about

it all the time. What did you what did you think about this ancient Samarian text? Joe has brought this up a few times and it was weird how it coincided with what David Cho was speaking about when he was taking his, I think when he was talking about taking Iwasca, right? Right. And had all these alien beings coming to him and saying that, you know, he's part alien and then that talked about his butt being blue and I didn't realize that Asians are born with like a blue birthmark on their ass.

But they talked about this ancient Samaritan text and how it coincides with this but being blue, right? Or the text talks about how aliens and humans, you know, basically aliens came down and fucked a monkey, right? I don't know. The human is that part of the text? I think it was like a, what they call like a pan-spirumia type thing, where they came down, saw us and either gave us technologies and knowledge, all they kind of genetically altered us. So he was talking about how Eddie Bravo's

Jiu-Jitsu placed 10th planet, got its name. And I didn't realize that Joe actually coined that term, but it makes sense, because Joe's always been into those like ancient alien theories, and one of the oldest ones. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, sorry. Was it 10th planet or 12th planet? 10th planet is the name of

Eddie bravo's jujitsu but I think that in the story of the those aliens that he's talking about I think there is like 10 11 12 planets in that fairy something something like that. I mean, okay, yeah, because the book was called 12 planet. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So what would the 10th planet be? I mean, if Pluto was still a planet, not a moon, then the 10th one is beyond that. And that's kind of, you know, there was just this ancient text.

What's weird about it is how old that text is. It's like some of the first texts, like written texts by humans that we found. And it mostly all talks about these star people that came down and gave us knowledge, which is very bizarre. If you're thinking like, okay, this is the first time anyone's written anything down. And then you also happen to be writing about what, if it's not true, what can only be assumed is like a really cool sci-fi novel? Seems a bit advanced.

Way advanced. Yeah, it makes sense that the first time you can write anything down, you're just going to try and pass knowledge of truthful events, almost like a historical record. But how do you make sense of that? I don't know. I mean, yeah, I'm gonna have to read these ancient Sumerian texts now.

Yeah, well, they're hard because they're in a different language. Maybe someone's translated it so you can look at it. But yeah, a lot of stuff about the star people, I think these ancient Samaritan people like aliens were supposed to be super tall, way taller than us. And they actually that show that was always on, I think it's Nat Geo, you know, ancient aliens that was like a very silly show, but also a lot of fun.

I think the first season covers them a lot. Like they go in depth on all the scripture and try and make sense of it. It's like weirdly compelling and no one really talks about it. Well, it was weirdly compelling to hear him talk about how he's getting laughed at by the shaman and then in his trip, the alien team comes to earth and then what did he say? We used our minds to inseminate you, right? Right.

And then he goes on to talk about how a lot of Asians have a giant blue birthmark on their ass. Huh. y entonces él va a hablar de cómo a veces hay un gran barrio de la gente que se ha estado en la casa y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente

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y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un gran barrio de la gente y eso fue un sean las tres de la tarde? ¿Qué lleves casi una hora de atascotir? ¿Qué de todo el camino por delante? ¿Y tú estas ahí dan tranquila a tus cosas? ¿Cómo si te deseo todo igual? ¿Cómo es posible? Vamos, ¿qué tú vas trabajando? ¿Estás yendo, no? ¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿A dónde? Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones a un décimo. Loteiría este recuerdo que juegue con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad.

Pero ¿cómo es posible que sean las tres de la tarde? Que lleves casi una hora de atascot y quede todo el camino por delante y tú estas ahí dan tranquila a tus cosas. ¿Cómo si te ves de todo igual? ¿Cómo es posible? Vamos. Que tú vas a trabajar no ¿no estás lleno? ¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿A dónde?

Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimó. Lo terías te recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de dad. Es un momento de la gente. I just want to give you a bigger idea. It was just strange, man. Yeah, I don't really know how that was related to it. I can't really remember that part. But it was interesting that when he was doing

one of the Iowaska trips, that he got the message, hey, you've come here enough, this is enough. You don't need to do this anymore. And maybe that speaks to his like, continual searching that he's doing. It's like, hey, dude, you've searched enough. You know, just be satisfied with what is happening.

And kind of there. What was what was all the placenta eating stuff? That was that was wild. That's just searching, Mordid.ing to to to eat the healthiest stuff. I mean, he talked about making a 600 or something, $100 shake every morning. Right. You know, with like $300 manuga honey. And oh, yeah,

buying, you talk about buying all the most expensive stuff from Whole Foods or wherever. Did you think it was weird that he talked about money so much, right? For somebody who doesn't really need the money or care about the money, he sure did like to speak about it, right? Which kind of just shows again that he's still searching, man. I hope he can figure it out. Yeah, well, I don't know.

It's, it's like, it's an unusual thing that he's been able to do, especially the way that he made his money. And it's really the primary source of all of his freedom. So I guess when he's thinking about what to look for next, he always has that in the background, taking care of everything for him. And, you know, he also knows billionaires and other super rich

people that are probably really obsessed with money, always thinking about it. So, maybe it's his way of trying to understand it, or what it is, or what place it has, or how important it is. Maybe there's a part of him that also feels trapped by it. I mean, you know, he was asking that billionaire for a billion dollars. But at the same time, I don't think you could go up to David Cho and say, Hey, give me all your money.

And he whether he pretends he's not that fond of it or not that connected to it, he's not giving it up. Like nobody's just giving away, you know, all of that fortune. Well, he's given away his art, though, which is pretty cool. I don't think he sells his paintings anymore. He seems to be just giving him away or he started to give them away and then realize that nobody cared if you were given stuff away for free. So then I think he started asking for money again, but then for whatever reason, you know, he'll spend $600 on a an hour on a trainer, but now he goes to the 24 hour fitness that's like in the shower and with bombs in there. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, didn't he also didn't he also say that he was like one of the first guys that ever refused to paycheck from Disney, because he did all the art for, you know, the rebel art. That was a great story actually, you know, just the fact that he brought it up to one of the producers or directors and they were like, yeah, you should do that.

That sounds great. Get into it. And then he's like, I don't wanna be paid. And then he, right, he just wanted to be an extra in the film, right? Uh-huh. Yeah. And then they put him in the film. And he had a mental breakdown because of it, right?

He was struggling for a while. It sounded like he wanted to learn one of the languages and get into the character. He's just an eccentric guy, though. I mean, he's probably just always going to do things like that. Well, right, but he said he checked himself into a mental hospital after that, after he was on the Disney show, after he was in the film. Because he got so messed up, he was doing, he was doing method acting, right?

Like you said, he was trying to learn this, like, job of the hut language. And he got way into it. And he basically became this character. And it's said he totally fucked with his mind. He didn't know what to do afterwards and had to check himself into a mental hospital. Yeah. I mean, he still wants to act. I'm joking. I'm telling him, dude, don't act anymore. Stop doing that. Right. Yeah. This is not good for your health, dude. You're going to go too far. But maybe maybe that's his thing. He really, in a sense, does go quote, unquote, too far. I don't know if you're an auntist, you can ever go too far, you know, two five. I don't know if you're an artist, you can ever go too far, you know, with those exhibits where you can like beat the guy up or just scream a lot. I mean, he definitely has a lot of wacky exhibits that he puts on.

Oh, no, that was cool though. That was cool. He was talking about how he'd been to so many, you know, retreats for addiction, right? Like these hospitals you go to, these really, really expensive spots you go to for retreats and they basically have you draw pictures and punch, punching bags to get your anger out or whatnot. So he created this really, really expensive art exhibit where people could go in and let out their frustrations. Right.

Right, like you could actually punch a real human. Yeah, or like smash up a car. What I can't remember some of the other things They talked about the one that I thought was really cool is you go into a room and there's a punk band and The lead singer Odee's in front you. And then they usher you on stage to take over for the band. And he's he's painted all the lyrics on the wall. You just basically have to scream him. Yes. That sounds fun. That's yeah, that's a great way to get some anger out. Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's like very interactive art. You know, there must take a lot of time and cost a ton of money to put that on. What did you think about? Yeah, I think you said it was like a million bucks or something for him to do that. Yeah, that's a lot. What did you think about him?

But he felt great, sorry. Sorry. No, no, all good. What did you think about him discussing? AI Potentially like replacing Jamie's job. Oh Yeah, that was bold Well, I think he was just mentioning that it's possible, you know, just from an editing standpoint But so much would get lost if I would almost be the same as if an AI chatbot sounded exactly like Rogan and then would come and take the UFC, it just wouldn't work. It the same is having Rogan there at the UFC. It's just not the same.

Yeah. I mean, I think I think there's going to be versions of that right where you might not be able to tell the difference and it's going to come down to whether or not the host wants to have a real human or an AI. I mean, this, you know, this could be 30 years out. Yeah. Who knows? I think where I could work.

I think there would be plenty of. You could do with the, um, what that BBC nature show where they have, shoot, I blanked on his name. David Adamborough. David Adamborough, right? He's very old now. Yeah. And bless him.

I hope he lives forever, but it's highly unlikely. And since he's like never actually in the show, he's just narrating over it, they definitely could do some really cool AI stuff with him just narrating that show forever, because it's just not going to be the same to have somebody else do that. That's true. Yeah, you can easily do that. For sure, if you're not seeing the people, and I guess we never see Jamie really either.

No, but Jamie, Jamie adds a little bit every now and again, he says a few things here and there. And I think he's important for Joe, for him to be there as well. Don't you think? Of course, that's why I think it come. Yeah, absolutely. That's why I think it would come down to personal preference. Some people, my night want to pay a real human and just have an AI. Maybe some cheap asses will just rather have AI. I don't know. I'm probably going to have to replace you with an AI, Todd. I was just thinking about it. There you go. There we go. All right. You are a cheap ass. But you're not a cheap ass. That doesn't make sense. You know, you won't because you're not a cheap

ass. Well, do you imagine how boring it would be? It doesn't matter how well an AI could talk back to me while I do a pod. It's like, I'm not going to enjoy it talking to a robot. I'll never take that serious. No, I'd be strange. Yeah. Not for me. But some people, some people really like that though. I mean, some people never leave their homes and they just want to put on VR goggles all day. And those are the types of people that are going to talk to a robot. True. That's very true. I think I think people are going to have robot friends and robot girlfriends in the future, you know, like people that really are, I don't know, very shy or super introverted or just kind of recluse, you know, it's like the only person that never spoke down to them or judges them or, you know,

there's definitely gonna be a place for that eventually. Well, good for those people, man. Hopefully it makes them happier. Yeah, exactly, if it works. All right, let's jump over to Mike Vechioni. What do you think of this guy? Have you ever seen a stand up? I had, no, never seen a stand up. I didn't realize he was on what did they say,

Kimmel and the tonight show and Fallon. Yeah, he's done the routes. He's done the rounds. I did. I appreciated him, you know, right at the beginning, talking about how, you know, he broke up with his lady that he thought he was going to marry, and that's why he pushed himself to do stand-up, because he just didn't care anymore. He just, he just went for it, right? It's like you take those, you can take those crosses in the road, and you know, you can either do good with it, or you could, you know, be ashamed your whole life and not do anything with your life. And then you're just depressed all the time. And he clearly took the correct path and just

went for a dream that he probably wouldn't have done if he would have stayed with his gal that he was with. I think it's an important message that he was in kind of a low place, right? So in a sense, you got nothing to lose, which is instead of just looking at your life, like, oh, I got nothing going for me, really you can look at it as like, well, I've got nothing to lose as well, so I can take some big risks.

And that's what he was saying was kind of parrying him through, like, okay, well, if I keep bombing, which I will, because I'm an open-micro, then it's okay. It's like my life's kind of a bit of that mess. Anyway, whereas if he had a good job and a lot of other things going for him, maybe he wouldn't have been able to power through those, those kind of lonely,

shitty moments at the beginning of stand up. And, you know, I probably if you stick as something for like three, four, five years, you start making some friends in it, you know, you probably if you stick as something for like three, four, five years, you start making some friends in it. You know, you're going to know other comics, even though you've got a lot of work to go. But you're, you know, making some headway, you're just more relaxed in it. It's, it's like that, that's the hardest part probably right at the beginning. Yeah, I agree.

And he obviously, he's a sensitive guy, right? He worked. He's just a really nice guy, right? So I don't think really nice guys, you don't seem to be comics, right? You know what I mean? He just he's a bit of a sensitive dude. I could tell just when he was speaking and You know, he talked about the crowd being I'm here for the crowd the crowds are the ones the people that are here on their night off and they're here You know some of these people might be divorced or they need a break and they just want to laugh and he just he really seemed like he really cared about The craft but he cared about the crowd more than than really what he was putting out there, right? I mean, obviously that helped him, but just knowing that he really cares about the crowd is probably why he's been able to do so well with his stand-up, right? He really just, he's just a caring guy. I think that's very... It gives a shit. It's an important message for a lot of

gives a shit. It's an important message for a lot of comedians to never forget that these people, you know, it's hard for them to organize coming out. It's a big deal for them. For you, it's just another night practicing your material, but it's like a good excuse to just to remind yourself to put it all in. I remember Duncan Trussell talking about this on another, the Weaponized podcast, or Jeremy Corbal. And he was talking about when he first was opening for Joe, like Joe would bring him on the road with him.

And I guess, one night, he wasn't really feeling it, it just wasn't putting that in his hand. And Joe pulled him aside and gave him that little speech, like, hey, remember, this is like a big deal for these people. And that, yeah, it's good advice. And it resonates with, I've heard that story told at least with Joe saying it a few times and other comedians on their way up, like realizing that as well. And I think

it just adds to that responsibility. It's like, yeah, it's not just all about you. It sucked that you bond and you're having a tough time with these sets, but keep putting the work in. And don't forget why you're here. It's a cool thing, and it really does come through when you see, you know, the most veteran comedians. I mean, what's these guys get into like doing it for 20 years? Every time you go to see them, it's like they just have this switch or this gear that they get into.

And they really bring it. It's fascinating. I mean, I don't know if you've seen a lot of, you know, headline comedians that just crush it constantly at the different comedy clubs, but when we go down to Austin, you're going to see this and it's surprising how impressive it is, like really. Yeah, well, you get in the flow, right? It's like you call it a switch, but really,

it's just getting into that mindset where you're just on. Yeah. And that's what that's what they're thriving off of, right? I mean, that's why they do it is for that feeling. When you're on stage and you're killing it, that is the feeling that is like no other feeling. Right. Well, what did Joe say? It was like building a mountain, one layer of paint at a time. Like that's a really good way to look at it. I mean, it's a daunting task. You don't want to start comedy off thinking that's what it is every day, because the road ahead is just so long

and fraught with obstacles that you just probably in mind wouldn't be able to think about it. You just take it a day at a time, but that's really what you're doing. And then by the end of it, in a sense, you have a masterpiece because you've practiced those layers so much. I mean, you've seen it all of that point. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, it reminds me. I know we're not going, we're not talking about

big J or Ari, but it reminded me that point of like keeping at it and doing it for the fans. Big J was talking about, if you remember he's talking about the doors film and watching, thinking Jim Morrison is such a badass, but then towards the end of his life, you wouldn't show up on stage or you'd be too drunk and you'd be a mess. And when you're younger, you think that's kind of cool, right? You're like, oh, Jim Morrison's a badass. And then you get older and you're a beat your drunk and you'd be a mess. And you know, when you're younger, you think that's kind of cool, right? You're like, oh, Jim Morrison's a badass. And then you get older and you're thinking, well, no, you suck, dude.

You're like, the crowd came out. It's, you know, they got babysitters. They came out to the show. And now all of a sudden, your drunk ass can't even stand on stage. Like, what are you doing, man? That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I think that's down floor for many artists too, is like they think that they're bigger than their own fan base

in a sense, like they can do anything. You know, I think Kanye has been there a few times too. He's like canceled shows in the middle of it just because he got annoyed or just canceled the whole tour and You know, you just can't do things like that. I'm pretty sure Oasis did that too when they first came to the US the two brothers going to fight and they canceled like half the tour and I mean, oh man. Yeah, that's no way to win people over No, it's not cool, man. That's selfish. So obviously they talked

a lot about fighting, right? He clearly, Vecione is a huge fan of boxing, especially. Yeah, big boxing. They talk about that BJ pen when he started training with Mark Moranavitch and how they're just doing ruthless cardio and plyometrics and all that stuff. And it just it it reminds me of how you know you get this strength through adversity like you can be a fighter all you want. But if you're not if you're not bust and ask every day on cardio, you're never going to make it through 10 rounds. Fisher. Never. Well, you'll also get a struggle to fight through the pain and fight through two rounds that you lose.

It's like, imagine that. You just got your ass kicked for two rounds, but you're still in it. And your cardio is like somewhat there. You know your skill set is good, but where's your mental gamer, unless you've done those awful training sessions where it's like you're so exhausted,

you can't stand everything in your mind tells you to quit. And you know, you have to practice that gear. Like a look man, you've got another round, you've got a chance, you've got to believe in yourself, you've got to get out there. I mean, when a lot of MME guys started to really incorporate that into their training, I mean, the just overall level of the sport went through the roof. Yeah. Well, yeah, and he talks about, I mean, Joe mentioned that just having YouTube videos nowadays. I mean, they talked a lot about how social media and all that stuff can be a

bad thing, but if you use it correctly, even with comics or with fighters, you're able to watch all these old fights, you can go through hours and hours and hours of film, and you know, same thing with comics. They can go through these hours and hours of film. And, you know, same thing with comics. They can go through these hours and hours of film from all these old legends and really get a feel for this stuff, but you still have to have that mental toughness, which, you know, to get through the rounds or to, you know, to get through all the bombing. And I don't know how you do that with standup

other than just going every chance you get to get on stage, whether you bomb or not, right? That's the only really way you can mentally prepare yourself for being on stage a lot, right? Well, that's the big part of it. It's how many times you go. Like Joe talked about it when he was chatting with Mike that, you know, he knew these people that were writers or, and that's a bit of a trap because you write for a show, and now you're not on stage as much, or like, Bert Kreischer, he got that travel show,

and Joe had to tell him, like, hey man, that show's dumb. You should do stand up, you're that good. I know it's paying your bills, but you're trapped, and now look at where Bert's at. And yeah, it's a risk. But if you've got other comedians that really know the game that are good telling you, hey, this is worth you doing. I don't think they're going to lie to somebody. I don't think Joe was saying that the bird without really having a good idea that he could become as big as he is.

You know, and in the same way when they talked about people taking time off. Yeah, and I heard that like even as an open mic, you know, one, two years into it, I remember there were groups of our friends we wouldn't see for a while. And then they come back around and they're like, yeah, I just took a couple of months off just doing some writing and 100% of the time they got worse when that happened. It just, there's more to it than just saying they need the time off or taking a break. It's like it's beating them.

You know, that grind is beating there. Some of those bad sets are just beating them. And the only way to get through it is to keep doing it, keep facing it. Otherwise, all you're doing is quitting. That's it. And I get it. Some people have to quit because it's hard.

It's a huge sacrifice to stuff that stuff. And there are parallels between fighting and stand up, probably in that way. And I'm sure Joe could take a lot of that skill set or training forward from his fighting days into stand up. Like you don't win, you don't win all the time. And you gotta be in a deal with that. Yeah, that's absolutely true, man.

I mean, the adversity is necessary. You have to have that. Yeah. Or else you're not gonna get any better. I mean, that's really all it comes down to. And you're also, Joe mentions this so many times about how so many of his comic buddies are struggling physically, right?

Like they're not, you know, in the gym or whatever, and you don't have to go to the gym to struggle physically. There's plenty of other things you can do for exercise, but how that messes up their mind, and you can just see how that mental strength goes down if you're, if you're not in good physical health. Yeah. Yeah. It's just there's such a correlation that we're finally figuring this out. I don't know why it took us so long as humans to figure out

You know how much better mentally you will be if you're good if you're good physically and how if you're not struggling You know through whatever like good gogons gogons is a crazy example But they brought him up about how the fucking guy was pissing his piss looked like diet coke. Yeah, oh god, but he So then what he goes to the hospital and then he What he goes back to the race a week later and they and he's like I need to finish this race So he starts at the same spot where he left off before he went to the hospital and finishes the race Yeah, something like that. Obviously, that's insane. That's an extreme example.

That's an extreme example. I get it, but, you know, if you're not going up every night as a comic or every night you can, then yeah, you're going to get worse. Absolutely. Yeah. It's, I mean, in rare cases, you could have, and they even talked about, you know, like

at any Murphy type guy, he could take a long time off and then come back and do well. But he was a phenom, like completely unusual. Probably if he had carried on doing stand up this whole time, he'd be the goat, you know, and he still might be in a sense. But, you know, we lost, we lost what what 20 30 years of amazing standup from him from Quiddick It's it's unusual that he did that well. He has he has like 10 kids so I get that yeah, it's busy and he's been making movies He's been making movies I get it. Let's not forget. Let's not forget Hercules. Oh, please, that was the best. Shepelle was in that too. He was the guy that got slammed in. Yeah, he was the standup that was making fun of

him. And then when Eddie got skinny, like slammed him in the piano and then roasted him. Yeah, that was super. The last thing I wanted to talk about, because we've been messing with it a lot is chat GPTT and the fact that it's getting so good that it can write jokes in the style of other people. And it's really interesting because it's so difficult to come up with premises and write jokes. And, you know, I mean, back in 2016, when I started doing some stand up,

that I could just stare at a blank page for hours and not get anything. I mean, writing jokes is hard, and especially the beginning, I mean, well, everything you're writing is dog shit. But the fact that now they have chat GPT and open micers could have like new fresh sets written that it'll, you know, three minutes long

that's about as long as an open mic set is. And, you know, they could tweak it and change it, practice it, and really hone it to their own, but they're basically getting this machine to write their sets. I don't know if I wouldn't have used that. I think that it would be such an advantage. I mean, yeah, in a sense it's cheating.

It's not really your material, but I guess it's not really anyone else's material either. Yeah, I mean, as long as you tweak it, that that's going to get weird though, because a lot of people might have similar jokes that were written by chat GPT. I know, right? Imagine if there was like all the same same acts just coming out from these open micers because chat GPT was just fucking with all the comedians are writing the same thing. It will be so messed up. Anyway, it's good to start with, right? It's like it's good to get some ideas out on paper, but maybe just tweak it enough to where it's your own material, right? You just have to be careful about not plagiarizing a computer, I guess.

I guess, I guess where it could work is if you're, let's say that your performance end is more organized than you're coming up with jokes and, you know, and then like literally the only hurdle in your way to getting back up on stage and doing some more comedy is that you just struggle so bad to make any material. Maybe then, maybe then, you know, it's like it's better to just find a way to get on stage. I'm definitely not saying steal any was jokes. Don't do that to get good, you know, get some confidence to get on stage. But if it keeps some momentum going, ultimately you're going to fully be riding your own stuff

anyway. So, you know, I guess kind of who cares how you manage to stay up there, but it's going to change things. It's going to be, it's going to be interesting for a while. It might also mean that open mics get a lot better because You know open mic is jokes, especially when they're brand new are pretty clumsy And off very old listen to all right. Well, that's it for this week. I appreciate you guys We're gonna be heading to Austin go check out Joe's new

Club go watch some Modo GP and just explore the town that we hear so much about on Joe's new club, go watch some Moto GP and just explore the town that we hear so much about on Joe's podcast. It sounds great. I'm pretty exciting. Obviously, David Cho liked it. So hopefully we will go maybe to Terry Blacks and get some barbecue. And we do a live episode from there later in the week. So stay tuned that and otherwise love you guys have a great week and I'll talk to you soon cheers later