Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 364 Joe Rogan Experience Review of John Reeves Et al.

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

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Join today, my sidekick Pete. How you doing buddy? Hey, I'm doing pretty good Adam. You doing all right? Mm-hmm. Yep, yep, yep. Doing good. Excellent.

We got some- Looking healthy I see. Looking healthy man. I'm trying to be a bit healthier come the new year now that we're here At a fun fun Christmas, you know as I always do it's best time of the year Does fun Christmas mean half a gallon of whiskey benchmark a day? maybe another day but Some days it may have been close. It was a good time.

We had some pool marathons over Christmas and we needed a lot more practice, but it was good times and Whiskey helped. It certainly does help that. It's so fun. It helps to lose when you're out of a little drunk in you. You get less mad, I think. Take some wild shots. So we got some good ones this week. We got John Reyes from the Boneyard. And then bring him, how do you say his last name? Bula.

Bula. Oh, like Ferris? Bula like an old cow. Oh, okay. There we go. That clears that up. All right. I mean, you know, Dula like an old cow. Oh, okay. There we go. That clears that up. All right.

I mean, you know, I was talking to somebody recently, as we were discussing before the pod, just about the influence and impact of Rogan. And I think it's easy to dismiss not just his reach now, but like his impact, um, with all these like, these like podcasts of philosopher types that people seem to think, you know, are doing so much for humanity and people and all the rest of it. But again, I would just argue that just take this week with these two people. Joe brings them on. One of them is talking about basically the timeline of the history of this planet and the potential for solving the mystery of the boneyard and therefore rewriting what we know of that 10,000 year ago time. And then on top of it, Brigham is

And then on top of it, Brigham is doing like cutting edge science. He's highlighting the problems with, you know, what is it? The FDA and the DOJ and how all of the bullshit with insurance. Yeah. When these messages get out there to people, I mean, we're more informed. This is stuff we wouldn't have heard about. They're not talking about it. They make it seem like all these systems work so well and medicines the way it is because it's, you know, they're bringing us the healthiest things to keep us in good shape. Yet really, they're just trying to make money and control a lot of things like peptides Like they won't allow

peptides onto the market You got to go to Mexico. Let money rule their decisions Mm-hmm. That's good. That's never good when it comes to health Well, look, there was always a money aspect and there always will be a money aspect to everything But when it gets too greedy, too many lobbyists, too much of that control, too much of that focus and shareholders and all the rest of it, that's when they start to forget about why people wanted to go into medicine in the first place, which the hope is to help people. Doesn't sound too much like that.

Yeah, and you want to increase the number of people going into medicine for the right ways. Yeah. What are you- What was that statistic? More people have been killed by pharmaceutical companies than Vietnam? Yeah, I mean- Or opioids, specifically, I think. Right.

Yeah. And then you were going to turn around and trust those same companies to dictate what's healthy for you. Well, you know. And the trust you put in there, it's ridiculous. When they do the list of the biggest killers of like people in the United States, and I think it's like maybe heart diseases first, then something else, then something else, cancers, whatever. They always leave off medical accidents. They don't add that into the, like, that list.

For some reason, they count it somewhere else. And it's- I like that. No, for some reason, it gets away. It's like number three always, you know? But I guess they do it under the guise of hey, we were doing our best Whoops, I slipped And then it changed nothing. Yeah, tell us give us a breakdown of that aspirin story. This was wild Well from what I can recall

Bear was that a German company? Sounds pretty German. They, well they're up to no good for one in the early days. They had a handshake agreement with the Third Reich to get some test subjects from them. So the Third Reich said, hey, here's some people for you to experiment on it. Was it just women or was it men, women and children? I think it was Was it just women or was it men women and children? I think it was women 150 women

healthy and human body and very cooperative is how they arrived in perfect health and Unfortunately, none of them made it through our initial trials and we would like 150 more please So there and that's Bayer thein company, what your grandmother takes to prevent strokes, baby aspirin, it's helpful. But they have, they have their roots in some pretty bloody soil, and they got, they got some answering to do. Yeah, not good. And what was the next thing they contaminated a certain drug? Drugs that they were contaminated with HIV, they knew that they were contaminated with HIV. They knew that they were contaminated with HIV.

And then cost-benefit analysis said, you know what, let's just go ahead and send them drugs anyways to Africa, even though they knew that they were contaminated with HIV. And they infected somewhere around 20,000 people. And this is back in the 80s when HIV was no joke, dude. It was a death sentence. You were going to die from that. Yet they still exist. Making a profit. There's people right now driving to work. Well, I guess

they're already at work. It's one o'clock, but West Coast, they can be driving to work. Just do the do-do, listen to the radio, thinking that they're just working in healthcare, medicine, they might not even know. I doubt like the employees know this story. So Bayer actively tested 300 Jewish women to death and that's just the tip of it. I'm sure that they got more people after that.

Allegedly. Do we have to say that legally? Allegedly. Although I think that they're, I think he's backed it up. There's, this is documented. They, they're the Germans, if not any, they have a lot of faults, especially back then, but they were very fastidious with their notekeeping. Yeah. To their end. They probably should have invented the shredder

The that's his teenage Ninja Turtles reference. Yeah, that guy we should have him Just as an office manager. He seems like he would be German We're right into the Nazi vibe. He would he would so anyway back to peptides He would. He would. So anyway, back to peptides, they're banned mostly. There's a few that are legal. They've already been patented in some way by pharmaceutical companies. Since you can't patent a naturally occurring thing, they patent like the dosage and the way it's administered and so basically control and why they've banned the others is because they're waiting for a way to control those. Even though there's really good evidence that they're very good, you know, for you and it's helping people recover quickly. But again, they're not giving it to people and you know, I'm sure that all the politicians you know

Plenty of wealthy people they all have access to this so they're not super worried about it You know, they get some some black market Peptides or they just go down to Mexico and get fixed but giving it to us can't not allowed fixed, but giving it to us can't not allowed. Can you, is this something you could whip up in your house? Can you make a peptide in your home? I mean, I can't. Let's just do a big batch and we'll eat it with spoons. Can you get in trouble, dude?

Oh, allegedly, allegedly. I wouldn't trust any peptides that we make. It's like big crock of it It's just a cauldron of bubbling peptides Okay. I'm ignorant. What's a peptide? What's a protein? It's a it's not a drug, right? Well, I mean, I know I mean, it's naturally occurring You know, so So there's all different types. It just really means proteins of sort

Well, they're not proteins there's short string amino acids They're just like different types of amino acids the building blocks for proteins. Mm-hmm and all life exactly Yeah, oh, yeah building blocks for proteins and all life. Exactly. Oh yeah. So, and you can use them for all kinds of things. Let's see what the intro web say. Peptides, smaller versions of proteins, they may provide pro-aging support, anti-inflammatory or muscle building properties. Recent research indicates that some types of peptides

could have beneficial role in slowing down the aging process and again reducing information and destroying microbes. So the ones that these guys are talking about in particular are ones that you can kind of inject into injured muscle and joint sites and they're helping repair kind of in a similar way that stem cells are being used. So it's just another avenue, like again, stem cells are organic, like they just, they're natural, right? So this is part of the problem for the pharmaceutical companies as well, even though they are learning very quickly that stem cells are Excellent at healing. They're not sure how to make money off it yet. So they're just like, well, we'll just hold on for that We'll just make that illegal until

We figure out how to profit hundreds of billions of dollars Really grinds my gears grinds my too, man. It's nasty stuff. It's nasty stuff. Just this proper thing. And you know, to think that you can't just be smart enough to figure out how to profit with like make a bunch of really good clinics then. If you want to make money, do this ways to well thing. Invest in him or like open a bunch of clinics that do that.

Make money that way. But I think they just want like the easiest, like make a factory that stamps out a bunch of pills, put them on the shelf all over the country, have a patent for 25 years and then just rake it in. And if we can't do that, we're not going to do it. The whole thing where there is everybody imagines the FDA is so healthy by the books, approving processes for drugs, approved drugs, but then we outsource it to the third world, to the developing world, and you get a place in India that they've never even washed their hands

making all these drugs that we need, and they never get scrutinized whereas he mentions his lab was scrutinized three times. Right. Yeah. Or more. I think. Yeah well they're just throwing the hammer down on on this guy and people like this because they're kind of working on the fringes of their control and they don't like that. So, but when it comes to the things that they want, they just kind of put it together. However, I mean, look at this. So the two of the heads of the FDA

that approved the vaccine now work for Moderna. Like, how is that even legal? Did he also say that in the past, like few decades only two haven't gone over How is that even legal? Didn't he also say that in the past like few decades only two haven't gone over to work for the private for the private sector? I think so, yeah. It's very common. It's that's more than 90 percent. That's a lot. Have it just gone right over from making the policies to making the money.

Right. Yeah. Sign here. The policies benefit. And you'll work for us and make as much money as you want. I mean. And they're also prevented, what do they call that? They are protected legally for a century? 70 years, something like that? I think so.

Yeah. Basically after they all die. Get out of that we get to him not no no no allegedly Get your spears Allegedly, but really though. It's It it just should be like you work for the government in these positions. It's like right when you retire You can't even be a consultant for these other companies.

Like that's, it should be all written into it. Like I don't see why conflict of interest can't be just denoted in the contracts. And you know what, if you don't want to work for the FDA because there is a conflict, I mean, you know, like a non-disclosure agreement, whatever, where you can't move over to these companies afterwards and then don't do that job. Just go work for Madonna right away. Yeah, but where's the fun in being the mastermind, the puppet master in that scenario?

Well, we should shame those people, I think. I don't think that's unreasonable. Bit of shame. Shame. Do the tarred feathering, please. That's it, please. Run him out of town. So Bringum was also saying that he no longer

really deals with the insurance companies. You know, they play a lot of games. They can withhold money. They cannot pay. What did he say? He had a pharmacy. He'd been shipping out drugs. It was worth X amount of dollars. And they wouldn't pay it.

Yeah, they wouldn't pay him until he proved something. Proved that he had actually collected all the co-pays. And basically it put his whole company on the brink of bankruptcy and then they move in and try and buy it off him. Uh, got something wrong there. It doesn't seem good. So once you, once you take their money, you're subject to their rules and ethics, if they, if you can even call it ethics, and you're legally bound to their rules. So just go cash. I mean, it costs a lot for your health, but we pay a lot for everything else. That's a good point. I mean, you know, he gives the example, him and Joe were talking, he gives the example that treat it like your car, you know, car insurance,

this is how the insurance works. It just fixes it when it's broken, when you smash into it. But everything that's maintenance, which is really what we should do for ourselves and our body for health, maintenance, supplements working out, coal plunge, stays thin, don't eat too much sugar, all the rest of it, that wouldn't be covered with car insurance, right?

It's like oil changes, new tires, rotations, all the rest of it. It's like you're just paying for that anyway. So we should treat our body the same way. I guess only use the medical insurance for like the big problems. Everything else just cover yourself. Cause you're paying for it anyway.

I mean, you can spend, a family can spend $15,000, $20,000 on healthcare per year anyway. I mean, you're telling me you can't pay a cash for a bunch of checkups and blood work and all the rest of it with that kind of money. Seems like you can. I don't know, I have to do the math on that.

But anyway, he doesn't use them. That's a messy system. I liked his little AI bot that he was talking about. That sounded cool. You know. I thought he was talking about a real person for most of the podcast. Like who's this nerd that you keep bouncing stuff off of?

Well, imagine having like access to it on your phone. It's like a little humor man that you can just ask questions to. Knows your personal medical records and you're like, hey, what could I do to improve X, Y, and Z? Knowing a humor man, he'd be like Cole Plunge. Yep. And don't drink. Red light bed.

Yeah, red light. I'm getting a red light mask. Are you really? Yep, from my eyesight. I wanna prove my eyesight. Does it do that? Yeah, from this podcast and all the previous ones you've talked about, the red light,

it improves the ATP of your mitochondria and your eyes are kind of born with a limited amount of mitochondrial access to a ATP or production So it's important to pump it up and it requires a lot for your little eyes to work nice nice My jam actually has the red light thing I should go there and get to be that guy just be that weirdo. They're like, it's just an eye mask. Put your clothes on, sir. Oh God.

Yeah. I didn't know it was a side mask. But that's another thing he was talking about. He was like, you talk to doctors, your doctors about maybe peptides or red light therapy and they do put in the category of like woo-woo stuff. But then, you know, the next question is, okay, well, how could I fix this

with the medicines that you have? And they'd be like, well, you need a shot, so that's surgery. And you wanna fix your eyes, we are sending you to an optometrist. And you're like, I don't think that's- Oh, and you're fast, so here's an injection. Yeah, here's a pill for that.

Or- Not a state-less cake. Or your stomach. Dude, they rarely say less cake. I mean, the only time I've heard doctors talk about it, I mean, my wife is currently pregnant. We're about to have our first baby. So, you know, they have gestational diabetes. It's like a common thing for pregnant women. And that's when they will really push like less sugar.

Make sure you have less sugar. Also, you can have like more embryonic fluid closer to the birth or like anytime during the pregnancy. And that's often connected to, you know, that you've been eating too much sugar too. So it was almost a surprise to me that they're mentioning it that much. And I just felt like saying, Hey, you should just mention this to all your patients all

the time. Eat less sugar. Like why not? Not just the pregnant ones. Oh, my last GP that I went to see was red faced and waddling around with his big belly. So I just took his advice, threw it in the trash, went to yoga, drink more water. That's all they can do. This is prescribed gross pills. It's like Dana White was saying, he's like, I'm never gonna go back to a regular doctor ever again.

It's like he went to so many and all they did was just get him on more and more pills and he got sick and sicker, you know Not saying he wasn't living Unhealthy life, but that doesn't really matter their job is to make you healthier or you like to think so So instead of saying hey, let's let's take a look at your life and what you're doing like how's your sleeping? How's this how's your stress? You know how you work and how are're eating? How much are you drinking?

They were just like, oh, these numbers are high. We'll just give you this pill that should sort it out. Keep everything the same, what you're doing though. I'm sure how you got in this terrible state was just an accident. It's not worth it to change your life, to take the pills and not change your life. Yeah, I don't think so.

I mean, it would be the same as mental health, right? It's like, you can't just mask everything. It's like you've got an anger problem. So what's the date you? The wall, it kind of fixes it, but now you're the dated. In the short term. Yeah. How about trying to figure out why?

Why are you so angry? I don't know. What about the story of that hospital CEO that said he doesn't care about the the better device that could last much longer and be way safer if it costs more as long as the Cheaper shittier device will last 90 days. That's all they're responsible for at the hospital Now obviously this is anecdotal and it's somewhat hearsay, but I am inclined to believe that that conversation happened

and maybe many of those conversations happened. And we've got to ask ourselves like, what? I'm pretty sure that it happens every day all around the world. Those costs analysis, those benefits, when the, what is the cost? That weighs the benefits, then it's going to go straight costs. I'm pretty sure my brother left the industry because of that. Really?

As a, as the head of a, the material acquisition department at a hospital, he, he had enough. Yeah. And I don't want to sit there and make myself seem like, you know, I'm fricking mother Teresa, you know, good cause she was a bitch. Oh, look at that. Allegedly. But there's a book about it. Oh, okay. Well, then I gave a bad example. Mom, the Gandhi that someone who's good unless you know something I don't. Muhammad Ali, let's go with Muhammad Ali. All right, great guy. Inspiration to us all.

But, you know, I could just not imagine myself going to a work and sitting in meetings and allowing that to be a thing. I mean, maybe it just melts into your system slowly and you don't realize, you know, you do 20 years in the career and you're like, well, I need this job. I have a family, you know, I'll justify it. However I need to, I'm sure they all kind of justify it. But if more people took a stand and said,

you know what, I'm not doing this. There's other jobs out there. I'm not tolerating this. Well, that's called personal ethics and, you know, our perception dictates our reality. But I think a lot of people have that. I don't think there's anybody that would have heard this podcast and thought, oh no, I would do that.

I would do that for profits. It's like, what? No. Oh, lots of people would do that for profits. Well, there's a lot of shitty people around here. Yeah, that's true. All right, let's jump over to John Reeves in the Boneyard. Oh, but real quick, bring him excellent,

get him back on, waste a well. Can't wait to see if he gets a bunch of funding or people just inspired to get involved with that type of thing and learn more about that and their health and how they can stay stem celled up on some stem cells. I'm gonna get some. They should be affordable.

Let's keep the peptides around. They're getting more affordable and accesses. We're getting more access to them. So I don't know how they are able to make that work. I assume it's all non-insurance stuff and you pay out a pocket, but at least people can get access to it if you save up. All right, John Reeves.

So he's back on second time on like this guy before. Super wealthy, gold miner, oil landowner, dude. Doesn't give a fuck, let's be honest. He's got enough money to not care it now just runs his little hobbies digging in the ground and Finding a bunch of he loves it mammoth toss. I'm surprised. He hasn't done like a big auction for a bunch of them just to kind of You know make some money for more solid, you know, excavation. And also, who knows, he could use that money

for to put his own scientific team together, maybe. I don't know. I think that, why doesn't Randall Carlson, Robert Shock, go up there right now, today? Yeah, they didn't talk about them visiting. I'm surprised that Joe has put them put him together said he's in it Sorry, church towards the end Joe said he was gonna go up there and he's gonna bring Randall with him. Oh the perfect That's that's incredible that there's this anomaly

Which is probably more more than anomaly. It's probably the status quo of the geology around the world. It's probably how it This layer is important. Why aren't they getting in there? Yeah, they don't care. So basically the backstory is, what was it? Somehow the Smithsonian got ahold of a bunch of, um, John's bones from that time. I think in the twenties, he, uh, his, uh, that's company, which preceded hit John. Sold them. Pardon John Sold them new

Pardon sold them or just gave him to the museum. Well, so the Smith set was it this it was a some researching Museum went out to the Boneyard Is that what they're calling it? Yeah, not to the bone spot In Alaska dug them all up incorrectly. They didn't get the stratification, they didn't get the layer at which it came out of. You need that to write a story about it geologically. So they even though they messed up, they blamed it on problems in the field. They took tons and tons of bones, gave tons away probably, and threw the rest less profitable

bones in the East River. Yeah, and people got in and found those. Yes. So they mentioned it on the last podcast that they were in there. John mentioned it and people have since gone out on boats, found the bones. Joe said, if somebody does find something here, have them on. I think they've reached out to Joe and he's been in contact with him. I don't know if they're going to come on or, but maybe it sounds like an interesting story.

And yeah, they dumped them in there. Wild. Maybe it sounds like an interesting story. And yeah, they dumped them in there, wild. And these are the same thing with the last podcast. These are the institutions that we trust. And we think make the right ideas, make the right decisions. And they are human and evil as just the natural population. What, it just sounds like corrupt and lazy to me, right? Just corrupt and lazy. Throw away all that evidence,

all that wonderful history of our world. Just throw it away. Yeah. I don't know. Orkish it off then, make some money, open a new wing. It just is ridiculous. And now for whatever reason, they won't go back out there. They won't explore it.

They won't go out there. He's built a million dollar scientific building area and they won't use it to run samples and age things. And I mean, these are the people that we trust to give us the history of what's going on. And we're supposed to outsource that to them without thinking. That's the idea of these institutions.

It's like, well, the FDA take care of it, so listen to them. And the university history departments have done their research, so just listen to them. That's how history goes. And I'm like, well, yeah, they are better at this than me. I'll give them that, but they're clearly not without some flaws. Some fallibilities there. Yeah. Messy. Arrogance. It's the same kind of arrogance that Graham Hancock has come up to his whole career.

It's that bigot. It's the bigoted year a pseudo scientist, even though he claims to be a storyteller. You're a pseudo scientist, even though he claims to be a storyteller. Something aberrational in the dataset, they throw it out. They need, that's gotta stop. Yeah. You didn't, you didn't learn, you don't have the PhD. You didn't learn this the way that we've always taught it. You thought outside of the box

and are doing your own research and we want, and it goes against what we know, so we don't like it. You're wrong. It's disgusting. Let's just, you and I, let's just shake hands and say, if we get some new data that upsets our previously held notions that we'll consider it. I'm gonna consider it.

Okay. I thought you for a minute. Let's shake hands on that one. I thought you for a minute were gonna say, let's go out like Indiana Joneses and let's go find all of our own history. Take a look. I wanna say that again, let's just me and you go out,

collect some bones. Figure them out, chew on them, see how old they are. Belongs in a museum. Belongs, great movie. I just watched Indiana Jones one the other day, holds up so good. I get inspired every time I wanna go out and like look for treasure. Just I want to whip something.

That's that's good too. It just seems like such a silly thing for him to carry around. Like when did he go that this is so useful? I've got to have it. She whiffs this whip is just the bee's knees. And you can't swing from a tree like that with one of those surely. You need to grapple on the hook on the end. It won't let go.

I mean, it's not magic. Yeah, he just whips it off and then off he goes. Brilliant. Maybe it could be done. I wanna see somebody who can do that shit. Yeah, some practice So yeah, these museums. I don't know. I feel like they should work with them You know at the end of the day they still get to come up with their own answer So why not get out there and search for it?

like Go see what's going on. What was the deal with that 200 year old bone that he found that kind of throws a Wrench in the hypothesis, right? What? I don't get it either. No, because it wasn't at the same level as these other bones. Ice age level. Yeah.

The Hungry Dryas period. But it's not that old. Did it, I mean, was like the ground couldn't have got all mixed up, could it? Could it have got like real swampy at some time and... Maybe it got swampy, maybe it got mixed up. Maybe it's bad data. It could be a bad radio carbon.

But I don't, that was throwing me through a loop too. I was trying to understand that part. Maybe it's... Is it 200 years old? That's what he was saying, the bone is. 200 years old. But found in an ice age levels, right? Maybe someone from Big Bone went over there chucked it in just to throw everyone off Could be big bone you gotta watch out for that one. That one is one of those that We're gonna have to wait to see what happens with that

Mm-hmm. Well, this is why we need those scientists in there. It was cool. He talked about it though. He didn't need to and that was one thing that he mentioned. He was like, this is one thing that academia won't do. If they find an outlier, they just throw it out. They're like, oh, that couldn't have been there. That stone, that couldn't be that old. We just ignore it because the rest of the stone seem younger.

So what part of that bone is 200 years old? Is it the, because it was like a Was it a step bison femur bone? I think so So if it's like the end of a step bison those things when extinct with the impact events 12,000 years ago. Oh, well, maybe it wasn't that then maybe it was just the more recent creature Well, they took a huge chunk out of it and had it carbon dated Carbond dating is fairly accurate. It doesn't matter what kind of creature it was, but if it was found in that

Ice Age level, then that's the issue. Right. That's the issue. And it was clearly like soared off on one end, which is something they're not finding with like the older bones and not seeing that they're all. So like that. I don't know. That one's interesting.

That's still a mystery for me as well. Yeah. So they, he has found a spear tips in mammoth bones. So people were chucking spears at him. He does say though that like I just can't imagine how they were able to kill mammoths, but you know they would have been good hunters, right? I mean.

I can't imagine how they'd kill every mammoth, but I could see them kill, cause there was tons of mammoths back in the day. They were loads. They could have killed a few. And there was not that many people. Well maybe they just like throw Spears Adam to like scare him off a cliff or something. Yeah that's, I don't, I don't,

that's the berserker theory that we killed these things. We made them go extinct. We're good at extinction now, but I don't think that we had the same mechanized way of death for animals that we had back then. So. Yeah. It's like how many mammoths could a tribe eat. You get one. You're pretty good for, for a while. If you get one in the winter, you've got food or winter, surely.

You do. You just try and chop it up as quick as you can. Lay it out in the snow. It's going to freeze. There you go. as you can, lay it out in the snow, it's gonna freeze. There you go. So yeah, he did mention 2,500 pounds of mammoth meat will go bad pretty quickly.

Yeah, he's forming his own kind of opinions about the people of the past and that's fine. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah, you're allowed your own theories. But it doesn't sound like he's stuck to him. You know, he's pretty annoyed with the way that the institutions are working

and how they're ignoring things. But he's also open to them coming in. Like he built the scientific little center building that he has. I mean, he's open to them coming in and doing some research, figuring it out, seeing what's going on And I'm sure if they came up with some reasonable answers that weren't super dismissive

He'd be open to exploring it and believe in it. He just wants to be a part of this. This is history. It's important Should I think so cherish that site. I'd love to see it Mindedness come on. Let's think about stuff. Let's get to the bottom of stuff. Let's get to it the bottom of it What about the making all that stuff out of? Mammoth bones you think there's any ethical concerns about that Well about that? Well, I'll tell you the bones that I didn't... It's not like ivory, right? It's like they actively were killing elephants just for their tusks. That's a bad move. These things are already extinct and we do... Exactly.

We are finding a lot of these bones, but you know, I don't know. It's just a question I was thinking. I think that you're onto something with the thinking by the ethics of it No, no actual mammoths were harmed in the creation of this shitty pistol grip You know kind of disclaimer. Hey, that was pretty dope. Those are some cool gifts Yeah, they were pretty good. They're brother trinkets, you know, I see more value in the bone But they are just shards of he's that they're not gonna take a whole one and chop it up, that he's got like pieces and stuff that they're making into these things.

And that's a good point as well. I mean, it wouldn't make sense to, the, you know, he said on the last one that a nice pair of mammoth texas could auction for like 400 grand. So of course you're not gonna chop them up into anything, are you you that would be ridiculous? And if it's just shards and then I don't think that's a big deal as long as there's lots of shards You just got to make sure you don't use them all so that there's no research that can be done for future generations

It sounds like there's nearly unlimited amounts of bones in this this 2.5 acres he has. Yeah, again, that's incredible. That just blows my mind. Why that? There's like no good answer to that. Well, maybe it has something to do with the constantly frozen nature of this landscape versus, and bones will dissolve. You bury a person in England, they're gone.

Just in the dirt, there's nothing not even the teeth. So if you bury somebody in the ground, they're going to dissolve totally. So all across the world, people have been buried. Animals, including these mastodons and huge animals have completely dissolved. The reason they're there is because they've been frozen. have completely dissolved. The reason they're there is cause they've been frozen. Right. Yeah. So there we go.

And there's some wild creatures up there. Things they didn't even know were up there. There's giant bears, lions. North American lions, cave lions, cheetahs, armadillos. Sweet. Giant beaver. Dohoo. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, imagine those dams the teeth on that Take down a redwood that's how they yeah good

Good do it. Yeah, I vote the bones. They weren't throwing in the East River that Institution were the cool ones. They were out they were giving those away or auctioning them off or keeping them for themselves. No doubt. I'm sure they took the really good ones. And, you know, if your job was to throw them on the East River, you might, you're keeping a few. You're sticking to the, he mentioned the people that were doing that were the sons.

One of them was a son of one of the worst people in the United States history, employers. So there's no ethics there. This is a period of time where Indians were seen as lesser than human. This is pre, eugenics was big. Ethics was on the back burner to value of white men value basically. Right. Yeah. So no doubt they did all that stuff. And now I guess they're just in denial mode because they don't want to, you know, kind

of tarnish the reputation of their own institution. Again, these institutions man Not saying burn them down, but let's at least open up all the books. Yeah, let's clean them out Let's get some new people in and be like hey, we made some mistakes Not gonna do that again, and maybe if your company is called Bayer change the name Just take us just dissolve the company release the patents and just apologize. Just say you're sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I killed all those people.

Okay. Well, I love that he's coming back at the end of next year and maybe every year for updates. I think he's an awesome dude. His Instagram's blown up. It's like 10 times bigger than it was when he first went on. You know, and that just opens up interest. The more people that are interested, the more people they hear about this, Rogan's reach, it's going to make some changes and we're going to learn something useful. And that's

important. And if the quote unquote institutions, either academia or the museums or the research groups or whatever, can't get it together to go figure that out and accept it and do that research, then we got to push it ahead another way. And I think that's what these conversations are all about and why they're so, so important. So I think that's dope. It's a huge form for disseminating these important. So I think that's dope. It's a huge form for disseminating these important ideas. I love that. Thanks Papa Joe. Yeah, well done. Once again, nailing it. All right, well, that was a great week.

I enjoyed it. I was excited about both those episodes. I learned a lot. I'm gonna have to go back to bring him's and take a look at some more of what he was talking about and just get myself kind of up to speed a little bit on the peptides and what stem cells are available.

I mean, right now I don't feel I need them. I'm not in that place where I have certain chronic injuries or whatever, but I have friends my age, plenty of them that do and they don't know anything about this. Good friend of mine just injured himself in a jujitsu tournament. He actually won Nationals for BlueBart,

shout out to Ash, well done, and got very injured. And the only option they gave him was surgery. Now he went and didn't do the surgery and has just slowly been rehabbing. But when I talked to him about the idea of, have you looked in a peptides or stem cells? Another I really had, he had no idea.

Nobody suggested it to him. He went to a few doctors. He doesn't know anything about it. It's like, it's just off people's radar. And we need to get it on the radar. And it's incredible because he's a health guy. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, there you go. All right Well, thanks everyone for listening. We appreciate it as always Pete. What a pleasure and Stay tuned for next week's episode later See ya