Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 379 Joe Rogan Experience Review of David Hothouse Et al.

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

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Might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. It's me, Adam and Peter. And me, Peter. What's up, Peter? And Peter and me Peter. What's up, Peter? Good to see you Adam. Mm-hmm Ready for another week of reviewing we got David Hothouse Coleman Hughes

Coleman's an interesting guy. He's been on before he's Fascinating dude. Very smart. And out of nowhere is like also on the world class Trumpeter or something. It's like, oh, that's it. Trombonist. I can tell you the difference, honestly. Uh, trumpet has

three valves and a trombone is a little bit larger of a bell and has a slide that makes its notes instead of valves. Oh that's right. Yeah. It's like an instrument you can hit people with. Bonk. Yeah exactly. If you wanted to. If you're on a pop by cartoon. Yeah that's what I meant. That's how I'd seen it. All right. Let's start with David Impressions this guy well traveled smart guy

Studied Colts Krishna stuff Endlessly fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, those Colts are They need to be studied put it that way We've got to figure that stuff out. Yeah, what is it about us that we we tend to love? Fringe religious views and charismatic cult leaders Well, it's you know people get lost in their lives and then they find meaning and value in this thing and acceptance and and then they find meaning and value in this thing and acceptance and then belief.

And the belief is kind of based around the idea that they're the only ones that know the truth. So it makes you feel special. Secret knowledge. Secret knowledge. You gotta be careful with secret knowledge. Mm-hmm. And the internet's making secret knowledge

less and less available. So, I mean, less and less esoteric. It's more reachable by many more people now. So why do we still fall for it? Oh yeah. I remember getting into the discussion with someone about chemtrails way back in the day. And the way that what really threw me off about it,

it would made me even be like, oh, this isn't even worth looking into, is how smug they were to the idea that I, one, didn't believe it or two didn't even know what it was. It was like, Oh, you know, if somebody turned to me and was discussing things about Europe and didn't know certain countries in there, I wouldn't, I wouldn't laugh at them for not knowing. I'd be like, Oh yeah, that country is just over there. And those people do speak a different language and you know, you just share knowledge like you would. But how smug this person was like, Oh, you don't even end then just waffling off like

these companies that have these chemicals that put in all the airlines and I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm sure they can do all that. I'm sure nobody at Southwest Airlines has noticed this happening. It was Colton. I don't know. It was Colty, dude. Oh, you're a chemtrail guy. Let's get back to that.

No, no, I don't know enough about it. I don't know enough about it. I wouldn't put it past anybody. You know, I wouldn't put it past the powers of beats to do something like to sprinkle us fuel, but it's also at the same time. Let's get a steady going and test that air vapor. It seems like a lot of work. And also it's like a little danger, like you're breathing it into the person who put it in, it's like, if it's going to get everywhere, like, where would you do that? It's like cutting off your own nose. Well, I think that's a great argument. I'm going to use that one next time. I come across a weird uncle at a bar. Yeah.

I mean, if the elites were just randomly constantly walking around with the gas masks on and they're like, Oh, it's cause we have asthma. Then I might be like, yeah, maybe it's because something else is happening. But you know, everyone's just out in the open breathing it in. But it didn't play enough dirt as a kid. It was, it was too smug, dude. Too smug. I've never met any, I've met some people that basically did grow up in different types of cults

But they weren't like crazy cults where you know, everyone poisoned themselves. It wasn't anything like that, but just like really devout secluded kind of I Don't know, secular religious types that there's some, there's some up in Bozeman or near Bozeman where they have all these bunkers that they built in like their, their whole kind of church organization, their religious organization. They built like all these bunkers like 30 years ago. I guess they were planning for the end of the world or something. I don't really

know too much more about it but I know they existed. I know a few people that lived in there in the whole thing and yeah they're very alternative. They're they're unusual folks. Well what makes America great is that we can coexist with those people without shouting for their death. They're allowed here. Right. Yeah. And other countries not so much.

No, they'd find them too unusual. But you know, in a sense, America is kind of built on that. People that were like, no, we don't like your religion, what you're doing. We're going to go to our own country with our religion and do it all the way. Well actually that is exactly what they did here. The Puritans were too hardcore for England. And they went later. They got kicked out, and that's what people were

on the Mayflower, they were part of a religious cult. This country's founded on a religious cult. Yep, they pray Ola. Ola. Yeah, I can buy that. Mm-hmm, yeah, can't think of one that isn't. Let's see, I'll try to think of one right now. Ibiza, founded on dance music. Oh, that's the first thing a cult, if they want me,

I'm gonna need sex jugs and rock and roll, okay? All right. Let's go to be there. Yeah Well, that is one way to get people into your religion. I I've seen in the past where they Some churches have like enticed people in by like giving them dishwashers and washing machines That was yeah, that's not gonna work for me. I got a girlfriend. Oh washing machines. That was, yeah, that's not gonna work for me.

I got a girlfriend. Oh, dude, we're gonna have to beat that out. OK, sorry. That is no letter here that we're sending into that shock. That is so. Sorry about that. 1950s.

She likes it. By that, I mean, my granddad would have laughed hard at that joke. I thought that was great. He was like, Oh, just be in his chair laughing. So this guy also believes in reincarnation. He was big on that. He brought that up a lot. A lot of reincarnation talk in this one. He's convinced Joe, not so much. Joe, from his DMT experience, just felt like this more kind of ultimate connectedness of all people and things. But reincarnation is an interesting one. It pops up, you know, I mean, is it the Buddhists that mostly believe in reincarnation? I don't know if many other religions hit on that. Do they do the Hindus? Hindus? Yes.

Part of this it's called the samsaric cycle Samsaric cycle of suffering. It's the it's the cycle of birth death and rebirth. Okay, and Nirvana is the achievement out of that cycle and therefore you get to finally die is it just a Nirvana concept that you get to go through that lasts forever okay so Nirvana is enlightenment it's it's achieving freedom from the samsartic cycle of birth and re-death. Okay. Excuse me. Birth, death, and re-birth. And to where, you know, have to suffer again in life.

Well, I think life's worth suffering through. I have a final lot of joy here. I would love for there to be reincarnation. That's- Really? It sounds exhausting. I wanna be a worm. You just do it forever? I wanna be a little bird. Really? I wanna be a woman. I mean, if I come back, I just wanna be a worm. You just do it forever. I want to be a little bird. Really? I want to be a woman.

I mean if I come back, I just want to be human people I think. I don't care to be animals. So it's way rough out there dude. What about a Pomeranian? This is an advertisement from Better Help Therapy Online. Ever dreamt of having an extra hour in your day? What if that hour was all about being and doing something you love? Going to the cafe, petting a strange dog, reading a book, or just being there for a loved one. We all wish we had more time, but the real question is time for what? Imagine if time was unlimited. How would you spend it? Figuring that out just might be the key to unlocking a more fulfilled life.

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a better you. Would you be a parmarian? No, I'd be an eagle. Okay. But you know even cool ones like wolves and lions and stuff, that's rough. You got to fight other lions, tooth and nail. The law of the jungle, you know, and just think about it. You got a toothache. You're on your own, dude.

Can't even talk to that toothache. You die. You can't even tell other wolves. They don't even know what you're talking about. You're just like, oh, you hurt your foot. You're on your own. Paul, angry. Yeah, it's no, I'll come back as other humans. I'm not into being other creatures. So that's, that's where I draw the line with it. I'm like, I don't know.

I don't know what it encompasses. Do we have to live all of the different things? I don't know. That's my question. Get back to you. All right. Max Podd. We'll do some research into it. But yeah, he's convinced. He's convinced. And you know, I just like the idea of having one shot. Like the 8 mile song. One shot. Don't miss your chance to go opportunities up once in a lifetime. That's it. Just give it, give it your best go. And you know, and Joe's thing with the interconnected and all the total connectedness is, is a nice way to, is a good message to get from any psychedelic when you leave. It just adds like a level of responsibility.

It's so easy to just think of yourself as just this individual here doing your thing, you know, like your selfish needs are very important. It's kind of built into our DNA to be selfish, right? It's like, you got to keep yourself alive, but you get a lot of joy out of helping others and being part of a community and being relied on and being loyal and being trusted and all of that stuff comes from, you know, more selfless way of existing. It takes a lot of time to do that. You see that, you know, in little kids, like they haven't learned that yet. It doesn't make little kids bad, but they're like, that's

my toy. You can't play with my stuff. We have to, we have to unlearn, we have to learn human behavior and kind of, uh, suppress our animalistic instincts to become altruistic. Yeah. And these are stages. These are stages too. It's like, often you see parents like shouting at their own kids like, hey, you need to share that. And it's like, hey, well, hold on. Maybe they just aren't at the stage to like figure that out yet. You know, you can't just force that on them and be like, no, they don't want to.

They're just going to play with their toys that they're toys. And eventually over time, they learn to share. Someone has to teach them though. Dad's got to teach them. toys and eventually over time they learn to share. Someone has to teach them though. Dad's got to teach them. There are boundaries. We have to live in this cave together as cave people. We can't just live on our own. There's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. They were talking about alternative ways of learning these days too, like AI teachers

popping up, you know, like whole curriculums. Do you think we're going to start to see more of that? Because traditionally growing up, you know, homeschool kids were like, they were a bit odd. And you know, I always felt like a lot of that just came down to the fact that it's like, well, it's just their parents teaching them, you know, they're not getting out. It's, you know, the lack of socialization is always part of that issue. Um, but today we're, you can be social and maybe it's artificial, maybe it's

social media or connected us online, but there's like a lot of video options. I mean, how long do you think before chat GPT or some of these AIs have like teaching models to where they have some sort of avatar, that's your teacher, kids sit down, you know, it like pops out the curriculum you put together. So it's actually useful for their development and life. Uh, think about just your time in high school and how much time was wasted on learning nonsense and mostly just teaching you to

like sit still until the bell rings. Right. I had to pretend like I wasn't high my whole high school career. Right. That's all I did. Yeah. That's mostly what you got good at is that and just finding ways to get out of class and wander around But you know, it's like it's far more suited to the individual then because you know, every kid is different

I'd really don't think kids need to be In that kind of learning zone from forced into a cookie cutter Sort of an education. Yeah nine to three or whatever it was. Too long. Barely do that now. Right. Jesus Christ. Well, heaven above.

You take most people at work and think of yourselves at work on most days. How many hours do you really think are productive and how much of a day have you cleverly just like, oh, gone to the restroom, gone for a walk, pretended to make a copy you don't need to make. Just, oh, back, go get another coffee. Um, it just raised thing. Walk around the cute girls cubicle for a bit. Yeah. See if she's see what she's doing for lunch. You barely do in two and a half hours a day. And then the rest of it is just making sure that you're not doing so little you get in trouble. Well, that's that was definitely true

when I wasn't working for myself, and now I'm working for myself, I jealously regiment my time at work. Yeah, I do think that people that are self-employed, you know, often are really gonna be much better workers, generally, because all their time counts, like every time they fuck off, they're not making money and they're only hindering their whole progress.

So yeah, it's like, and, and I know a lot of self employed people and really realistically they know that they're only, they, they even know they have three hours a day tops that they can put in the rest is just like well the rest is they're in the you know office or whatever doing some meetings but most of the hard work happens in that window and anything beyond that like kind of good luck but you know what I like about it they talked about the idea of bringing like Terrence McKenna lectures back to life in some sort of like AI teaching experience. Right. So think about that from incredible lectures of the past that are now gone. And you can you can have like real, you know, interaction conversation with them.

And it's getting better and better. So that is more factually accurate to how they would have done it. Exactly. Now we have all these, it's flavored like them, but it's not actually coming from the mid, the spider web of ideas coming to the center with for their whole teaching. We can get the flavor of that. We don't, it's gonna get better and better. Well, think of it this way. They, so Rogan is now translating his podcast

into multiple languages. I think it's like French, Spanish, German, some others. And they can do it with just like three minutes of the person talking, kind of get like all the inflection mannerisms down. Like it's, it's so close. You can't really tell. Okay. How long before you sit in front of a, some sort of system.

So it's Pete and you like push a button and then the AI asks you some questions. You just chat with it for a minute. It learns how you talk, all your inflections, how to do your face, everything kind of just how you respond, how maybe some wacky responses, regular ones, just like what you're interested in it like estimates your IQ so it can like calculate that in, you know, in your interest. So it's like got a feeling that it's like, Oh, I think he knows a lot about these sorts of things. That's where his interests lie. And then it puts that into some sort of algorithm.

And then all of a sudden I can log into it, right? Let's say heavens forbid you pass away, but I can log in, log into like a, a zoom with you at any time. And it's like pretty damn close. Exactly. World's going to get wild. You're like talking to your great grandparents that have like, you know, a hundred years ago passed away,

but you get to chat with them and it's like pretty damn close to what they would talk about and how interested they would guess, but they'll never guess because they have no digital record. They can never guess accurately their nuances because in that case, the information doesn't exist for them to extrapolate upon, but it works for people that we have a body that work from like Martin Luther King or Tom's Mark Twain. Yeah, well, maybe guys, it's possible.

Maybe maybe the newer versions of it, you need like the person to be alive to kind of like download that info, you know, for the AI itself to interact. Body of work. Yeah, exactly. We need a body of work. I mean, but you could do it with Rogan. Think how many hours he has. Easy.

Easy. There's so much information there. He's probably the easiest one. And the most accurate one, because he's constantly online, obviously getting recorded. It's all a value, but you can evaluate all of that. I wonder if that would work. Like, let's say 20 years from now, he's just like, doesn't want to do the show

anymore. Or heaven forbid he passes away. But then they've made this like AI interviewing machine. I wonder if the show could continue. People would be into it. And he's not even real. And bear in mind, it seems very like. into it. He's not even real. And bear in mind, it seems very like, um, unlikely now because we'd be like, well, we're not just going to watch an AI. Everyone would know it's an AI, but we're going to get more used to interacting with AIs more and more used to

it. Generations growing up. My daughter, who's eight weeks old is like, she's only gonna know a world with AI. So to her to be- With advanced AI. Yeah, to be pretty normal interacting with them. She'd probably be doing it a lot from a young age. She won't even really understand the distinction between the life form of us and them as a life form. My only worry is the homogenization of culture.

You lose a bit of color when you're only allowed to use eight colors. Let me try this again. I like the very variables of humans and the peacock tail of cultures we have. It's a lot of cultures and they're intriguing and beautiful because they're dissimilar. AI and the internet has made us all closer together and less colorful. I want a world of color and that's my only fear.

I get it, I get it. But here's the analogy that I always put down when someone says that, you know, oh, it never, like a robot will never replace the love and companionship of a person or all these different things. I think what's happening there is we're not extrapolating out the potential for the technology to mimic it. Like we just aren't, we're thinking about it in terms of like what we know of a robot today. Even if we imagine a really cool one in the future, we're still thinking robot.

But like- If it's a seven of nine from Voyager on Intuit. That's what I'm saying. But if it is, but if it is, um, uh, Michael Fassbender from Prometheus, uh, Prometheus, I'm not into it. Right. But you know, sex robot it's a sex robot thing. But I think that's kind of the thing because even in Prometheus, they made him act like

a robot. And there's really no reason why he would even need to be like that. It was almost like they needed to create the character to be clearly a robot. He couldn't be too human-y. But there are VR programs now that give you these incredible landscapes that are all virtual that are kind of mind-blowing. So somebody could give the example like, oh, you know, when I go on a hike and I'm looking over the hills and the mountains of wherever, Montana Montana and it's so beautiful and so real, you could never virtually make this. And I'm like, not yet, but you could do that.

It's just something for the matrix. It's just something stunning for your mind to see. Why couldn't it be stunning in that way? And in the same way, these interactions, it's like how many really shitty human interactions do you get with boring people that are not inspiring and you're just like, oh God. You're telling me we could make some algorithm of an incredibly fascinating individual

that completely inspires you, becomes your mentor, like works with you through your life, knows you through and through helps guide you and you're just like oh this is like way better you know how alexander the great uh conquered most of europe and large parts of asia he invented the machine gun everyone knows that well he uh he was was it aristotle that was his teacher? I think so, yeah. Well, if my AI could be Aristotle, that'd be dope. That's what I'm saying.

My AI, so I'm not on board with the homogenization of culture, but I am on board with reaching into a deeper pool of knowledge to teach people with. So I am on board with finding new and creative ways to get beyond the body, because not everybody had the resources to have the best teachers in the world.

But when you do have the best teachers in the world, then you can fly over mountains. You can go anywhere you want with your knowledge. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Okay, I'm on board. Okay, all right, sold. Pete sold on this. Sold. I knew saying. Yeah. OK, I'm on board. OK, all right. Sold. Pete sold on us.

I knew it. I knew I could sell you on this, Pete. I'm running for Congress. Running for Congress. Well, that kind of finishes up with the large part of what they talked about at the end, which is the major concern to this, right? It's like we're going in a, in a direction quickly with

technology, AI, a lot of our advancements. What's the thing that's really just going to put the kibosh on all of this? Well, nuclear war, right? And this is exactly, this is where Putin comes in and Ukraine, and they're saying he's not going to stop. He's not going to stop at Ukraine. He's winning over there. Ukraine is is is not doing so great.

They can't really hold him off. Putin has too many guys, too many troops and NATO are pushing against Putin too hard. He's pretty pissed off about that. And what does that mean next? Like, what does that mean next? Like, what does that mean when he goes into a NATO country? NATO is going to have a choice. We have to, if he attacks a NATO country, we have to, we, well, not

we NATO has to intervene. Well, if it doesn't, then it just takes all the power away from NATO. It's like these other countries will be not respect NATO because they'd be like, Oh, they won't do anything if we go in there, but we have to, it's only us. We have to walk the line there between. You know, once that nuclear war starts, if it does, I mean, that's going to put us back a hundred plus years pretty quickly. If a nuclear war starts, we can potentially be talking about,

and we were done talking. We're like, who, who said this Albert Einstein said this. I like war one, but no, he didn't say that. War one was he, he was was he was about nevermind. No, that was someone else. That was someone he. He said that the first war was fought with guns. Second war was fought with artillery and the third World War.

We've fought with nukes and the fourth World War will be fought with sticks and stones because nukes are going to knock us all back to pre-Sumerian days. We are back. We are going to have to start over. And it fries all our chips. The fifth war just rock, paper, scissors. And the fifth war is crabs versus dolphins.

Sorry. Humans are gone. Yeah, humans are gone. Yeah, we're gone. And my money's on the crabs, not gonna lie. Actually, you're exactly right. Crabs are always in the winter. Yeah, you get enough of them. Yeah, I mean, that's a scary thing to think about,

getting knocked back to the Stone Age. And it's almost impossible to imagine because it really just does mean that we're all dead, we're surrounded by parts of this technology that most of us don't know how to use and it's going to be a hundred years of a really ugly time, probably longer. And I don't know, I feel like... Thousands of years, probably. I feel like the race to AI is, is potentially gonna solve that issue.

I'm kind of optimistic about it. We have to be. Otherwise the alternative is, is a more negative Nellie's. Yeah. I mean, there's no, there's no AI system that I can imagine that would do any sorts of calculations and come up with that being the best answer. That's clearly just a dumb human response. And it is clearly so dumb that now so many countries have nukes and we're, there hasn't been anywhere near like this massive nuclear war, even though we're all getting pissed off with each other all the time. It's just like, gives me some hope. Gives me some hope.

What? You can't, guys, we can't take it with us. We can't take the money with us. Come on, Putin. We cannot take it with us. Yeah, but legacy. legacy do they want statues? They want to be remembered like Alexander the Great. You know, I know, so don't just live in your mansion, bro.

Just just why don't we just gift Putin the biggest yacht ever and be like, he has one already. You can have bigger, bigger than that. He has the biggest house in the fucking world. He's got that's true He has more money. He has like a billion dollar house doesn't he some sort of cats? He's barely even been to In the stress that guy must have

Maybe he doesn't maybe he's Blessed with psychopathy. Yeah, it fell on. Yeah. he looks he looks fairly chill most of the time, actually. He does kind of. Yeah, he's just like, I'm gonna kill you. So I don't worry. I don't worry. Did you ever see that video with Trudeau? But Trudeau like came up to like get all friendly with him and like hugged him a bit quick.

And and Putin had to like wave his own security guy off like, don't stab him. Like he, um, he like did like a pretty, pretty intimate touch to the chest. Which Trudeau was probably drunk in a straight situation. Guys don't touch each other like that. Yeah. Pinnum was like, okay, this is maybe a bit of a tangent, but do it. What's the likelihood of Trudeau actually being Fido Castro's son?

Ooh, they do look close. Have you seen those pictures? It's a fun conspiracy to play with. Have you seen his mothers in pictures with with him? Uh huh. With Castro, they see it seems like he hid it, dude.

That's wild. What what they have the same nose the same eyes the same uh death to their country kind of vibe yeah can we do some DNA somebody just go up hug Trudeau pull a bit of hair out not a lot don't make it an assault remember he runs the country but just for testing and then well this is how we get banned in Canada. There we go. We've been banned. So damn it. In the Canadians listening, uh, we got your back.

Download us on the dark web. It's worth it. We love you and we have your back. We hope for the best for you. We're big supporters. Let's jump over to Coleman Hughes. Coleman went on the view and was attacked. Who hope for the best for you. We're big supporters. Let's jump over to Coleman Hughes. Coleman went on The View and was attacked. Who is watching The View?

Did they didn't they say that show got canceled? It needs to get canceled. I'm not sure how many times they're going to say, like, really ignorant stuff without having like just get shut down. They're so dumb. Yeah, so I saw the clip on the Jerry companion Instagram, which is a great companion Instagram to Rogan Show. Yeah, he does a great job.

And it kind of showed the clip, you know, of Coleman and this lady just kind of attacking him, like, oh, you're, you know, bought up by the right wing and blah, blah, blah. And it was just, it was such a blatant attack. And even to the point where, you know, this lady was like, yeah, I read your book twice, like, no, you probably didn't. And then you realize how level headed he is and his arguments. Yeah. She had an agenda and some bullet points and just kind of like hit him on it and fair play to Coleman He keeps his cool. Well, he better than better than anybody I've seen on that show

Yeah, I mean those type of clips let her speak and me watching it and handled the criticism and and Refuted it and it was nicely done. And he stayed on target. Yeah. And he he he just it's an it is an ad hominem attack, which is the worst way to bring an argument about. Sure. I wonder if it's even the bathwater. I wonder if it's even worth going on those shows these days. Like, why not? I think we have to do that stuff, especially he

well, he's crafting a career. And I like you said, fair play to him. He did a wonderful job. Turn it right back to the facts and to his arguments and his his line of thinking. Yeah, but why not just go on podcasts?

He does it all. Fair enough. Brave. Yeah, brave way of doing it. I mean, when you got eight minutes on a show like that, I mean, really, how far can you get? Yeah, she does herself a disservice with those kind of shallow shallow arguments. They really do a disservice to her argument by. Broadly, basically insulting him.

More than anything, it's like an insult, personal insult. Yeah. It's kind of a bummer in some ways and a bit of fair play to Rogan for like getting back on YouTube and just basically giving more people access to his podcast. That's a great move. But the bit that's a bummer about it and Joe even talks about it. So it's not like he doesn't know, but the fact that they will demonetize

Rogan now, um, in the YouTube space, if he plays like any music, any clips, any videos, any songs, I mean, you do notice it on the, um, um, protect our parks because they always used to play team America, the music while they would like Chuck beers. And, you know, I, I think what Rogan's going to do is just accept it because they did play some Jimi Hendrix and he's just going to like allow those ones to be demonetized, um, because ultimately he has a lot of episodes where he's making money. But you know, it just, I think in time is just going to take a little bit away from

the show because it is great to reference clips and videos, you know, as you go on this podcast and I'm just really, I just don't understand why YouTube wouldn't make some exceptions based on what his show is. And I'm just really, I just don't understand why YouTube wouldn't make some exceptions based on what his show is. I guess you just broadly have to make the rules the same for everybody, but it's like, Hey, this is like how Rogan show works. Like can you not see that and just understand it? I think that since they, he said that stuff and then they went ahead and played it anyways. I have a feeling that

they've the legal team figured it out in some way. I'd like the and so they might just not play it on YouTube and only played on Spotify but it is a the the weird thing is that the people that claim copyright have need to have no base for it and then could potentially make money off of his show. Which is nuts. They can basically get all the money for the show. So there's business in trying to claim copyright whenever you can on whatever you can. It's just more checks in your pocket.

And... Is that what all the old guys talk about when they talk shit about lawyers? Is it lawyers that are ruining this, ruining this world? No doubt. Yeah, no doubt. I don't really know. I mean, copyright does exist, you know, there is reasons for it, but, um, I just don't get why that is an issue, especially if, if you're like playing someone's music and you like it, like that just boosts them, doesn't it?

Well except for Jimmy's dead, true, you know, and who paramount my own all his catalog. Hmm. Something like that. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Joe and Coleman talk a bit about the importance of being nervous before, you know, doing difficult things. And I'm sure he was before he went on the view. Joe talks about how when he goes up on

stage, he's often still nervous at the beginning. He gets himself nervous. Yeah. And when he, when he's not nervous, he goes up like cocky. He doesn't do as well. Or just like flat, like, right. Yep. And, you know, I think you do need that to perform well. You know, I mean, you've, you've done jujitsu tournaments. Could you imagine going up and not being nervous before you do it?

I will say that my first tournament, I got gold in the Arizona State Championships. Nice. And I was nervous. And my second tournament, I did a lot of breathing practices. I never let myself get there, never redlined beforehand. I didn't get myself nervous enough

and I took second out of five guys. So- Do you think you could have won if you were more nervous? If I had, I think being nervous is a part of respecting the process. And if I had respected the process a little more, I would have not, yeah, you have to get your heart rate up to get your heart rate up.

Right. You can't just, you need to go zero to 60, down it down, go in at 20, and then you can pump it to 99 or 100. You can't just go zero to 100. You have to really rev it up. Right. That's how I processed that statement about getting nervous.

So would you say, in a sense, even though you did those techniques, which are generally very good to keep you calmer, by doing that, you kind of didn't respect the process as well. You didn't take it as seriously. And therefore, the danger came and you weren't ready for it. Whereas if you were kind of in there somewhat fighting for your life,

you'd have been on top of that. Yeah. Yeah, there's something about it. And it does make you think. I I think today in today's world, and there are plenty of people still pushing it all the time. That's why so many people look up to like Goggins and people like Rogan that really do challenge themselves. But so many people can get through lives without really challenging themselves and thinking

that still doing good and talking the talk and pretending their hot shit. But really when they get tested, it's it's a mess because they haven't even pushed hard at the gym at all. You know, they just they go through the motions. They do things, you know, they keep up with work. They're paying their bills. But like, you know, if you talk to people and you're like,

when was the last time you really like intentionally made yourself nervous, did something that is like outside of your wheelhouse and just did it too for the sake of like, I think I can do this, I just don't know how. It's very few people. Like 10% of the population ever experiences that after they stop being a kid that's going to wrestling tournaments

or baseball tournaments. After we stop playing sports, what else is there in our lives that really, for the average human that fires, that makes us fire on all cylinders and has us react successfully. Yeah. And I often see it, you know, with with adults when they're put in a position to do, for example, public speaking is a good example.

And it's like you see somebody that all intensive purposes looks like they have all their shit together, they're confident, they're successful. And then they're like put on the, the kind of stage for public speaking. And they just kind of are falling apart and it's a mess. And really all that comes down to is you just know they haven't practiced, which means they didn't challenge themselves because there are plenty of opportunities. And it is a really important skillset to have, have and it's nervous and scary and uncomfortable for everybody. But everybody can get better at it if you just practice. By practicing you have to put yourself

in that position. So it tells you a lot about the person. I think that's why we respect people that can public speak so much because it's like, oh, they've got past all the hurdles on this. They've learned how to do this. And I think that the best way for a layman like you or I, um, we were a little removed from this because we do public speak more than more people that I know. You just did it at my wedding. Well done. Great speech. Nailed it. Oh, thanks. Hey, well, way to marry her.

Good work. And I, I hit you with that like 20 minutes before you had to do it too. You had no idea and you were like, shit, I have to write something. Hold on. And I mean, that's not the best setup, but I knew you could handle it. Oh, I wanted to bring a little bit of a, I wanted to respect the process as a, as a, as a, not the best man, but like say one of the best men at your wedding. You were basically the best man. Come on.

It was, it was a smaller intimate deal, but you flew in. It's it. That's part of the process and you have to respect that process mmm go ahead and buckle down it's gonna be nervous the best way to prepare yourself for the feeling of failure in public speaking is go into a bar on karaoke night picking your favorite song and failing. A hundred percent. Bombing on it. Yeah.

That's part of the practice. Yeah. Performance. You just got to do it and be like, okay. I mean, if you can talk to any single person and be fairly relaxed, you can talk to a hundred thousand people. You just have to practice towards it and not get overwhelmed. Just keep practicing. And, and it is, it's always a bit scary for sure.

But if you know what you're saying and, and you know what you're setting up, but, but it comes back to that. It's like, you got to embrace those scary things. And it doesn't mean sit around all week with everything else we have to worry about, sit around all week and just try and think of things that scare the shit out of you. Like, no, don't do that. Like that's too much as well, but don't shy away from those opportunities and be careful if you've gone too long without challenging yourself, you've got to throw

in some challenges every couple of months, something that's uncomfortable. Otherwise you could put yourself in a boat where it might be years before you do it and you are really giving yourself a disservice. You know? And then you have to do it and you're unable to do it. Oh yeah you just fall apart. Let's all be ready. It'd become trauma then. It'd become like something that fails so miserably that you never get over it. You catch yourself in the shower just like, oh God, I can't believe I said that. Idiot. Everyone thinks about that. Let's learn from that, but not lose any sleep over it.

Right. Can't beat ourselves up for the past. Learn from it, move on. Yeah, yeah. Nobody expects you to know how to do everything day one. It's not how it works. But on that note, if I was in Coleman's position on the view, I would have been, I would have been a Hummin and Hawn and flustered.

And then I might ad hominem attack her for her dumb views. Right. And her, you know, you never are winning when you're attacking someone for their aesthetic, like, Oh, you didn't prepare either, or you didn't really know. No, he didn't do that. It would have been great though, if he was like, really, you read my book twice?

Two times. If he was like, dude, my mom hasn't even read my book twice. But you did, and you don't like me? How many times do you read the book of somebody you don't like twice? Never happens. Mine comes. Actually, good example. Good example and clever. And I've never read his book. So I can't speak German. Take me forever. So Coleman defended the Israeli defensive. I wanted to get your

views on this one, Pete. Um, you know, a lot of energy online about the things in, um, Israel and, and Gaza. Um, and you know, there's plenty of sad stuff. I saw this little video, this like little baby that was like about the size of my newborn that could like barely breathe from like the rubble dust and the explosions. And it just, you know, that stuff just tugs hard because it's like, it's not their fault. They're just tiny. Yeah. But then you're up against-

How could they? Exactly. And it's all of that is just so awful. And you just tiny. Yeah. But then you're up against exactly. And it's all of that is just so awful. And you just know, don't want any of it. You don't want little kids coming into this world before they even have a chance to know what's going on suffering from all the chaos of the future generations, like it's just heartbreaking. And then they're in this situation where the Israelis were attacked and

you know a lot of innocent people were killed and They're obviously pissed So they're like we got to wipe her mass out because they're gonna keep doing this and then Hamas are hiding amongst everybody Which is really fucked up as well War crime. Right. And it just behind civilians is a war crime. Bad, dude. Well, I guess on the for one,

the people that Hamas attacked were on Hamas's side. That's so that's so it's the people that Hamas attacked were the in the kibbutz, mostly that means commune in Hebrew. That means hippie. Okay. Hippies were on the side of Hamas. Hippie Jews. Hippie Jews, they're allowed.

Well, who wants to live next to Hamas? They sound like some people. I like that. You know, you would have a good time over there. We'd have a blast. You would not have a good time 20 miles to the west. Right. Though I'm not Jewish, so they might be nice to me.

I'm just a British guy. You're American. And America is called the Great Satan in Fundamentalist Islam. So they call us Satan. Okay, bad. Yeah, not good then. So anyone from over here going over there is not gonna have a good time.

On the note of innocence involved in war, the drone strikes of Obama killed more civilians. In different places. drone strikes of Obama killed more civilians. In different places. Or let's talk about Bashar al-Assad and I think it's Syria, his country, he's killed 700,000 Muslims, his own people. We don't march about that. What about the million plus in China

of Muslims that are in concentration camps? We don't talk about those. We don't march in the streets on colleges and liberal cities for that. Yeah, this is unusual, the energy that's getting behind this whole thing. Well, it's a... but it has clear linear movement towards hating Jews because they're Jews. I'm not an expert. Yeah, neither is I. Coleman probably is more of an expert than I am.

He knows his stuff. And you know, that's why it was interesting. I mean, when he said there's like two wars being fought here, there's the PR war and the military war. Now, the Israelis will clearly win the military war. But the PR war is almost being won by Hamas because of, you know, this type of support. So it's like Instagram. Yeah. And where does that lead us?

I mean, is it, did you basically like a campaign to drum up a lot of hate towards Jewish people? Absolutely. Hmm. And the United States. And the United States. Once again, get blamed for it all. Biden gave money to Iran. Iran funds Hamas.

We're giving Biden's, the United States is giving guns to the Israelis and money to Hamas. Did Trump not give any money to Iran and give them guns? Um, Trump was part of his, uh, his, uh, his people did the, did the most in 50 years to try to bring peace to the middle East with the Abraham Accords. So, well, Trump's anti-war. He doesn't like that. His presidency Illustrated that. Not him. He's a wacko.

Bless him. But his, whatever was happening with his cabinet that did more for peace over there than what has happened since Biden took office. And I'm not for either one. Which is wild, right? That's not how you would look at either of them. I mean, for the longest time, most people are thinking that Trump would get us into World War III.

And it's like, eh, it seems like we're closer with Biden. Not saying he did it. I mean, obviously, I mean, he's funded Ukraine against Russia. That is where diplomacy has failed and war has won. We need to get more towards diplomacy. We need to leverage our money. And and this is getting on one. No're right I mean look we got to talk about this stuff okay we don't have to be experts we're just shooting the shit

and trying to figure it out this is what the teams of people listening to Rogan are trying to do and we're just part of it we're just like okay what's going on here what the heck I'm anti-war me too I'm anti war. Me too. I'm anti war. No, and whatever is happening between post to Palestine and Israel is a perpetuation of war. They're, they're going and going. And let's just say Mexico did a half of a 911 on us. What there would be, let's just say Mexico did. Let's just say Mexico gave us. Oh, 455 and a half? Did I do the math right on that? No, that's 800. Damn it. I think I,

gosh, did I get? No, I didn't get. Is that a joke? Uh, I'm, okay, so like Team American, it's like 9-11 times a hundred. Let's just say Juarez drove into El Paso, lit up a dirty bomb and it killed 2,000 people. There would be nothing that anybody could tell the United States. There'd be nothing that we could tell anybody else that would dissuade the firestorm that would happen after that.

It'd be real bad for the people of Mexico. Mexicans. It would be real bad. And guess what? It would involve a lot of civilian casualties because an insurgent warfare requires the insurgents to hide in their homes with their families. They have to be willing to kill their whole family

to kill one of the opposing side. Let's just put that in perspective for a second. If 9-11 happened for Mexico, there'd be, Mexico would be gone. It would be new New Mexico down there. Yeah, yeah. It'd be Texas. So just put that on Israel. Texas plus.

It'd be Texas grande. Texas grande. Oh, yeah, it's true. I mean, that's pretty obvious, right? And I don't think almost anyone in America would even bat an eyelid. It's just like, wait, what would happen? Well, they would show a ton of footage of whatever town got hit, talk about all the casualties and all the kids and all the people and remind us that we're all American and we'd get super nationalized

then then we would all be behind wiping them out because that's fucking close to home. There would only be one period of so there'd only be one time we could get the footage when they attacked us or let's say when when there's only one. We just yeah there's like one day of footage of Hamas attacking Israel and then now we have weeks and weeks and months and months of propaganda coming from the other side you know or not just even propaganda like actual footage of what's going on. It's very sad. Slash propaganda. It's both. Yeah. Yeah, dude, it's fucked up.

What a sticky situation. War bad. Peace good. Yeah, war bad. No more. No more. Read them good. Let's jump over and finish up with Elon funding OpenAI. So he was like the beginning of it.

Funded it as a nonprofit, right? So Sam was a part of it, Altman. And then it became after Elon kind of left or separated, it became a for-profit company. And then Elon is suing them because it's like, Hey, it shouldn't be for-profit though. There's some texts of Elon suggesting that it should because of the amount of money necessary to get there, et cetera, et cetera. Billions. Yeah. So it's a slippery lawsuit and who knows where that'll go.

But I don't know. I mean, it sounds like Elon funded this. And- Yeah, and he will continue to fund it if they put by his rules, also he will stop the lawsuit. If they say, if they change the name from open AI to closed AI, yeah, they're not going to do that. That's a bad name. I mean, it's the tree.

You want the lawsuit to stop then it's going to stop. But if you just change the name, I'm interested to play around with, I think it's called grok, which is the, the Twitter AI that he has. Okay. And it's supposed to be in some areas better than chat GBT four already. And Elon just bought a shit load of Nvidia chips, which is the chips that they use for the processing for this. He bought a ton of them. Like mega money. I mean, you know, that's the thing. This

guy just has the resources. He has so much money. I mean, I know recently Tesla stock dropped and now somehow Zuckerberg is like supposedly more wealthy. But dude, I don't believe any of these numbers. I don't, I think that's why Elon just finds it so funny and never looks that bothered about where these things go. It's like, Oh, his net worth dropped by a hundred billion. It's all imaginary. All he has to do is just hang out until people are like, yeah, I'm going to

buy Tesla stock again. Or, you know, he makes space X, you know, public and everyone's going to buy that shit. He's going into space. He's probably going to land on an asteroid worth a hundred trillion dollars and just bring it to earth. I mean, it's, it, it, these numbers don't make anything. It's not like he has a bank account with $280 billion in. It's just, it's like investment opportunity, right? It's like banks know he's worth that much, so they just will give him whatever he wants. They're just lending money.

And he's like, I'll take it. Or he can lend them soft money. He owns enough shit in enough in different arenas. He can he can. Yeah. And I've just got a feeling that Elon's going to make an AI that we want to use. That that's the type of one we want to use. I haven't played around with it yet. So I'm in.

Speech. Love that. He has to be pro. I mean, we have to like that fact about him. If you don't like anything else, he will leverage his companies to protect your right to speak freely on them. Yeah. And I'm pointing at you, dear listener, if you are listening. Well, I did get into it with somebody I was talking to the other day that was like, yeah, but I mean, there is so much more hate speech on X, formerly known as Twitter, now since Elon took over.

And I'm like, well, well, yeah, what do you think free speech is? Like it's not just all your best speech. It's a lot of bad speech. It's a lot of bad speech. It's a lot of speech you're not going to like. That's why it's free. I don't, I just don't get it when people say that they think, because what they're doing is they're equating, they're trying to say, well, okay, the argument for free speech is this is the best way to be yet.

Somehow it makes all this terrible speech. So it also has to be bad. No, it's about the best speech working its way to the top and Logically people can decipher this Instead of just censoring censoring censoring so that all you're left with is a bunch of people in your entire society Afraid to say anything that sounds bad. So what? It sounds like you have the nicest, everyone plays along together, Twitter ever.

It doesn't really mean that those people have any freedom, you know, or are even that happy. There's nothing to protect if you're all talking about how cute puppies are. Everyone's on agreement that puppies are cute. They're pretty cute. They're cute. There's nothing to protect there. We have to protect the,

the right to say some pretty, pretty terrible stuff. Yeah. But the, so, so maybe less some guy jumps on, he's like, puppy suck, dude. And they're like, we're going to have to cancel. We're going to take his house. Cancel that guy. Cancel that guy. Okay. There's that. There's, there's more or less a lovely speech on X, but there's a whole lot

less pedophilia, right? Okay. Yep. Actually shit that is illegal and dangerous. And a whole heinous. Yeah. Actually shit that is illegal and dangerous. And a hot heinous. Yeah. Supposedly he was able to, I heard Jordan Peterson talk about it and he was like, yeah, Elon came on one of the first things that he focused on and they,

they managed to track down as far as I can tell, like 80 to 90% of the most heinous shit and took it off. No credit for that, dude. None. But at the same time, he was releasing the Twitter files, which completely shits on the current administration. So that's all the news. And they didn't even want to focus on that either, because it, you know, made the current administration look bad. So there was just no positive focus towards what he actually did, which is good. And I think he's passed the point.

Like, I don't think he really cares to even do it for publicity. He's just trying to clean things up and is already like by cleaning things up, it makes you a bad guy. But when your mom tells you to clean your room, you're not really happy about her, but your room's clean. Exactly. Yeah. What is that thing you said to Bob Iger or on that open forum business discussion? People are concerned about looking like they're doing good versus actually doing good. Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. He's doing good, good stuff as far as I'm concerned.

And my values said we can all disagree and that's okay. Yeah. Wrong. You're wrong. I like it. I like it. And I think he's positioned himself in such a way that it like really doesn't matter now.

He doesn't need to wait for people to agree or the consensus of it. He's like, I know how to clean this up. I'm going to make this work better. I'm going to keep free speech going and I'm going to prove that it's the right way to do it. And eventually, you know, you get to see. Or stay on the platforms that you like. Stay on Instagram and stay on YouTube that just love to censor everything.

And then you can decide what you think about that bullshit, dude. There we go. And on that note, we're going to call it an end. Pete, thank you as always. Appreciate you guys for listening. Went a little long today. I like it. Got into some stuff. Thank you, Adam. Pete, thank you as always. Appreciate you guys for listening. Um, went a little long today. I like it. Got into some stuff.

Thank you Adam. And thanks for everybody else listening. Yeah. And we will talk to you folks next week. Laters.