Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 380 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Paul Stamets Et al.

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

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Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. My name is Adam joined by Peter or Pete. Hello. Call him what you want. Howdy. What's happening Pete? Not too much, good to be here.

All right, good, calling in from New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico. That's a state by the way, for those that are not sure. Some people don't know. It's older than Mexico, actually. Is it? What is? The ground?

New Mexico. Well, no, it's the same age ground probably, but New Mexico as a state is slightly older than Mexico as a country. What? I thought- How about that, huh? New Mexico came in in like 1912.

I think in 1913 or nine, one of those. So what was Mexico in 1913? Was it Spain potentially? What? Tear. New Spain still. I don't feel like you've Googled this. I just go ahead and Google this.

You probably should. You are spreading misinformation and we are not even two minutes in this. Let me just start this with a Google. The worst history podcast of, you're like, do you know Argentina used to be Welsh? Like, wait a second. Who we got this week? We got, well, Brendan O'Neill.

1824, October 1824. Oh yeah, way off, dude, way off. Sorry about that. I actually got my minor in South American history. Believe that. Name 10 countries. In South America? Yes.

Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Buenos Aires, Guatemala. That's a shitty. Shut your mouth. Ecuador. The Galapagos Islands, I'd like to think that's a country owned by Chile, whatever. I think I think you're actually fine. I've said them all. OK. Pretty good. You did it.

You did it. Yeah did it. Yeah. It wasn't a geography. It was mostly Brazil, Venezuela and Mexico that we studied because one, we went into like slave trade stuff and the Brazil's history with that was nuts. And far later than you would think that it should be going on. And then a lot of it was just like the revolutions in Mexico constantly happening. I mean, the political turmoil in South America was just unbelievable. That's what made it so interesting.

I mean, governments were just flopping left and right. And, you know, I hate to point fingers, but some of the bigger countries, some of the bigger powers had a lot to do with it. You mean like banana republics and stuff like that? Yeah, there was a lot of that, dude. A lot of that, but interesting. Off topic. Check it out.

Read it, read about it. It was good. Educate oneself. Educate oneself. So we got Brendan O'Neill this week, Paul Stamets and then, um, uh, Neil Brennan, but we were probably going to skip him. Check out his standup special though on Netflix. Very good. Very much. Brendan's, I mean, Neil Brendan's style. He's mixed it up a little bit. He seems slightly less depressed than usual,

but the jokes are just as good. So I recommend it. I will watch that actually. Oh, he's so good, dude. His last one was- I listened to him. I like his voice, he's so smart. Very, very clever guy, dude.

He used to perform a lot at the West Side Comedy in Santa Monica, which was the first place I ever did stand up. He was there often and was really cool with any of the new open micers. And if you even had one joke that was good that he saw, he'd come up to you and tell you. Yeah, he was, oh dude, he was super encouraging. Great.

That helps a fella out a lot. It means the world to new comics to have a legit comedian be like that joke is pretty good and those second two you got to punch him up bitch I mean they suck that yeah they still tell you the truth which is also important all right so Brendan this is the first time I've heard this guy another one of the British kind of pundits. You know, he really came on to Rogan's radar with, what was it, the Trigonometry show? Yes.

Yeah. And obviously those guys are fantastic. And I think they're repeat offenders on Rogan from now on. I think Rogan really likes them. Um, cause you know, they're really bringing like the British and kind of more European view of like what's happening over there. Um, you know, I'm, I'm more disconnected from what's happening in Britain politically. But when you're hearing somebody like Brendan that's speaking very reasonably, talking about kind of like surveillance state, people going to jail for tweeting,

you know, things that they're trying to like scare you with. I mean, he brings up climate stuff. And same thing. I remember in the 80s, it was like acid rain and the ozone layer. We were killing the world type of thing. You know, they've always got something new to scare the shit out of you about. I think the ozone layer was a pretty legit one, though. That one was real. Yeah. And what makes me really believe that is we all turned quickly on that one.

Like everybody kind of agreed we're not going to use these certain chemicals. The ozone layer has like, like come back almost all the way. It popped back. Oh three, right? Is that ozone is oh three? Yeah, ozone. And ultimately we would have just all been basically blasted with, you know, cosmic rays and lots of skin cancer.

I mean, a lot of problems that would have caused some real issues. So, but you know, I mean, to, to say, you know, there's climate deniers and then there's climate change worrying. It's like, there's definitely an in in between to what we should be concerned about. I mean, when I see like old ladies putting all that extra work in separating their cardboard from their plastic bottles from whatever it's like, hey, maybe it sounds nice or go on one less airplane ride a year because I'm sure your carbon footprint is 50 times higher than any cardboard you recycle with every or how about just never buy

a plastic bottle again that has to get recycled sold to Malaysia sold to India crushed crushed powderized heat treated pressed into water lines, PVC pipe that we put in our our houses and now we're ingesting microplastics for the rest of our lives. Microplastics are the real issue. It's not. That's not. Yeah, getting into our body. That's real bad. Real bad. But that is a real issue, not climate change. And also, who fucking knows? We don't know either. That's probably give us 30 years and something to change about that. And we'll find out. Oh, yeah, that wasn't even a big deal either.

Oh, microprocessing is going to be a big deal in babies and placentas. It probably is. There's like half a credit card in there. Yeah, just sticking out. Pamela Anderson won't be eating it at that point, but it's kind of like end of the world talk, you know, it's like, that's how they kind of started. And what's interesting is with perspective, Joe talks about he remembers being in school and doing air raid drills where

he'd hide under his desk. Like, dude, that didn't happen in my life. I mean, yeah, well, he's only 15 years older than us, I think. 15. OK, so it's like he's 56. Yeah, but it's not long, right? It's not long. And he remembers like the end of the Vietnam War and also hiding from nuclear bombs. Like, what? It's never been not crazy is what I'm hearing.

Right. I mean- At least in the past 200 years. I don't know. I didn't feel like it was too crazy for us growing up. The eighties and nineties didn't really, there wasn't like the threat of war. There were wars going on. There was conflict, but we were away from it. And

I guess we still have been the whole time. It was never really the 90s were, you know, that's the start of the internet. You couldn't get a lot of information out quick enough. People could be sneaky. Governments could be sneaky. We didn't have what was it we had the it was a load.ed it was relatively peaceful and then the then the first up then the first was a desert storm yeah in Iraq and then it never stopped yeah we just blast in the Middle East there for a while yep name we withdrew and that was ugly this podcast is brought to you by DraftKings Casinos.

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to a well a trans female came in at the same time, exactly as a female swimmer. And they gave the award to the biological male. So, and that's Riley Gaines, right? Right. It was Riley Gaines. Yeah. She was on recently, but they, you know, they wanted to just discuss this whole thing and yeah, but it's, it's like.

So, and they, they said, said all right you both get the spot but he gets to stand up on there with a trophy her oh excuse me I'm sorry I'm a big hit I guess come on dude get it together I'm good I'm actually I use connect pronouns I'll call I'll call him a her okay yeah I mean I kind of like to until you start beating all the women at swimming and then I have a bit less respect for you Honestly, I'm like, yeah Well those people those people those women use those Achievements to go on and leverage scholarships and get it on in the world and do better and greater things when they get pushed out by

Biological men it's obviously not a good idea. It's not. Yeah that that type of thing. I mean You know, why hasn't it been a national arm wrestling competition? where They you know, I mean where it's just so blatantly, the powerlifting one was, was something special too. You remember that? Was that Canada? It's not, not that long ago.

Yeah. It's, that person is still in the headlines making fun of other female powerlifters. She's like, what's the deal with benchpress? It's so bad and ladies lifting. It's like, well, it's bad because women are not designed to bench press that much. Buddy, sir, ma'am.

Ma'am. And he can push like 300 pounds. Yeah. Obviously it's a farce. It's just a fucking, we're not a serious country. No. What is the deal here? Well, it's not serious when you're doing that stuff for parts of your country. You're not serious.

Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to think about it. I mean, look, they were, they, he also kind of delve back into the lockdowns. And I think this is important for Americans to listen to. And it's important to not just remind me of, but to really understand because I didn't live in England during the lockdowns. I went over there when it was kind of ending, but there was a lot of still PCR testing for flights. And I had a lot of conversations with British people that were telling me that, oh, yeah, you can't leave your house on these certain days.

And if you you literally could get stopped by the police, if you're walking around or driving, they could do like random stops and just ask you where you're going. And there was only like two things. You had to be like a first responder, an emergency kind of. I don't know if they counted like electricians as emergency repair people, I don't know if they counted like electricians as emergency repair people, there was like certain jobs or going to the grocery store.

But you know, if they, if they, if they got you like between two villages where there's like no grocery store and they're like, wait, what direction are you? Like there's no stores over here. You know, you can't just keep popping into your buddy's house. Out on the moor, in the fog, like let people walk around, you dummies. Yeah, I don't, I don't. It was an exercise in government control.

How far can we go pushing our people? How much control can we exert without them saying anything? I didn't know England, you know, you don't have to have a reason to stop and frisk in England. I was watching some videos. There needs to be no reason.

They don't have to, they can just stop and ask for your ID. Maybe it's similar to here. Yeah, but it's a bit different. You don't actually have to have your ID on you all the time in England like you do in the US. Like you don't have to have your driver's license on you. I don't believe. where you're driving. Yeah, I don't believe so.

I mean they can they can like ask for your information and things and then you've got to eventually show it, you know, if they give you a ticket, but it's not like if a cop stops you in the US you got to have your ID on you. They got to know who you are. Well, you can you can you don't have to have your ID on you. They gotta know who you are. Well, you can, you don't have to have your license on you, but you have to tell them who you are.

And then if you lie to them, that's illegal. Okay. So yeah, they don't, actually you don't have to tell them. I feel you have to have your ID. There is some gray area where you can, like, so I've seen people get pulled over and Or rather get confronted in their cars and they're like let's see some ID and the guys like no I'm not gonna show you you have no reason to stop me. There's no that's the yeah

What do they call that like sovereign citizen or something not quite that bad? I know don't try that ladies and gentlemen gentlemen, if you're listening to this, just fucking cooperate. You are giving yourself a headache. And unless you're a lawyer, I mean, you probably going to get arrested. That's not, there's almost no such thing as a sovereign citizen. Yeah. That seems like a silly, silly move, but you know, contrary to that, there was a lot more control happening in the UK, a lot more with the lockdowns. And they saw that people in England really went for it quickly. And I mean, honestly, a lot of places people did it here too.

They did it everywhere. I think it should be a big wake up call to individuals in general. Ask yourself how you behave during that time. And if you found yourself mostly just dealing with the status quo, just going along with it, even if you were frustrated, but you still did it all. You know, it's, it's a slippery move. Like I was amazed that more people didn't push back. When I heard the pubs in England were closed

They just closed all the pubs. I was like, oh this country's gonna England's gonna blow up people are gonna riot yet. None of that happened. Everyone went. All right, I guess we can't go to the pub You know, I don't get that gone like well they can drink from home. They probably learned that they could save money and actually You know, it kind of worked and a lot of pubs have now closed down But no, that's sad. Just just the fact that that people were just so willing to Be like, okay, I guess so. That's fine Don't question it.

The non-questioning of things was, yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have wanted to lose mine. I'm just glad I didn't live there then. I really am. I think that, I think that it's frustrated plenty of British people and there there's probably a good reason why why like a good amount of them now live in the US like Douglas Murray and you know there's there's plenty of Brits that can afford it that now live in the US. I do love that when people come to the United States the right way they have so

much patriotic love for the United States and I really respect those people. Yep. I mean the most patriotic people, oh I wouldn't say the most, but some really good ones are the immigrants that I know, right? I immigrated here, took me a long time. There was a lot of pushback and a lot of forms and a lot of struggles. And, you know, along the way, you meet people doing the same thing and none of us have resentment for the process. And it was hard, it took a long time. You know, they didn't always treat you good,

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When you buy a car, your first car, you polishing that 89 Toyota Celica to a mirror finish. But when my grandma gives you not my someone's grandma gives you a 96 Cadillac DeVille, you burn that thing to the ground and drag race it. You don't put oil in it. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, I, I treat my newer, more modern, much nicer cars far worse than I did with

the ones that I really struggled to earn and achieve. And there's something to that. It definitely is. You gain respect. If it's just given to you, you just throw it out. You don't give a shit. I don't know. I mean, he even brought up there was a hotline where you could report people to the police in England if you saw your neighbor like wandering around. Can you believe that? I mean, I think they were trying to push for something like

that here. We heard, you know, rumors of similar things in California, like let us know and like put pressure on your, you know, the neighbors and, but, but like people were doing it to each other. I knew people out there that were like, they would hear that I went somewhere and they'd be like, Oh, that's just irresponsible. And yeah, my one buddy Dave, he didn't leave his house for four weeks. Four weeks. He had the tiniest apartment. It's smaller than my basement here now. Tiniest

apartment. He didn't even have a kitchen here. It was like a hot stove thing that like plugs into the wall, just like camping. Seriously. Here in Albuquerque? No, this is in LA. Oh wow. Yeah, and it was a tiny apartment and eventually I just got ahold of him

and he was just like following all the rules, doing it all right, like playing, you know, his part. He hadn't been out and I was like, bro, can I like meet up with you? And he was so uncomfortable to do it. He had a balcony, right? So I met him on the street and we shared some Coronas, but he was on his balcony.

He wouldn't let me up to his apartment. Did you have to leave the Coronas? He like came down and like got half of like- No, it was actually fine because he lives like close to the beach and his neighbor had some like little deck chairs like some little chairs so I just pulled them out and I just threw some beers up to him and we cracked him and hung out. I mean he was my friend so I wanted to hang out but he was always like that kind of a worry war but I remember sat there thinking we're gonna remember like I need to remember this moment this is not normal it's not gonna become the new norm

this is nuts and we're not gonna follow it we're not gonna continue with this I remember and also I will never forget that Dave did that and how much of a nerdy is. So good job. Nerd. Dave, you nerd. Also, I mean, it's that's when compassion can backfire. The party of compassion is actually not that compassionate. They're not concerned about people's well-being. It's compassion backfires. We should be strict.

Well, they're, they're, they're feeling bad for an imaginary outcome. They're basically willing to not be compassionate to you as an individual that wants to live free because of this imaginary old lady that you could be killing that they don't even know. But they will have lots of examples. My grandma and I have, I have an autoimmune rash. Think of me. I got COPD.

Yeah. It was amazing how many people had autoimmune deficiencies during COVID and we had to feel sorry for them. I'm like, wait, wait a minute. You got psoriasis? Chill out. How bad do you think that is? Do you think people with psoriasis are on the verge of death all the time?

Or do you just have a rash because you probably eat too many nightshades? It's most likely from preservatives, isn't it? Something like that. Yeah. I know it's probably gluten, but yeah, they're not going to die. They weren't more likely to die of COVID if you were like young and it was the just the same group of people. I don't know, dude. Yeah, I still get worked up about it. I still get

heated. It frustrates me, but you know, a police hotline. Oh, I wanted to hear on this towards the end of the podcast. And you have some thoughts on this. Joe and him got into it a little bit. It was a little heat, a little bit, a little heated, you know? And I think really Joe's point is just like, Hey, I don't like the idea of innocent people dying. And the point that Brendan is making, he's like, hey, you can't have any sort of war and or mostly any large scale military intervention without more innocent people dying

than military people for the most part. And it's always been like that. It has always. And in fact, the Jews, excuse me, the Israelis are doing a better job than Obama did when he did his drone strikes. So, I mean, it's just, they're doing a better job of it than anybody has ever done in doing and getting

Getting the bad guys with with the civilians not saying I'm for killings any civilians I'm yeah. Yeah and the look I also get it for anybody watching the videos that gets riled up because You only need to see one video of like a tiny baby up because you only need to see one video of like a tiny baby struggling to breathe in a hospital where the power is like flashing on and off because there was all this dust from a building getting hit it's like yeah if it's a real video you know they are they have been caught faking them. Well, yeah, of course. But dude, we know some kids have died. We know some kids have had some horrible ends and they're kids, man. So so before you pick a side, yeah, but before you pick a side, of course,

I'm not saying that and I don't think Joe was either. But before you pick a side, that is sad. That's so sad to think about. Yeah, it's sad. Little kid. It's as sad as them. Okay, let's put it into some terms we can weigh and talk about. Is it sad when a kid gets killed by an Israeli missile? Yes. But guess who they're trying to hit? And hiding underneath the child is Hamas. Whereas Hamas went to Israel and purposely killed little kids with

shovels, burned them, raped their mothers, raped pregnant women, took hostages purposefully. And what do you do when that happens? That is a raging civilized fire. That's a fire of civilization. You gotta put it out. You can't put out 80% of the fire. You have to put out 100% of the fire. Otherwise it starts back up. Yeah, yeah. Maybe people look at it too much

like if it happened on a local level. Like imagine if someone broke into your house and murdered some of your family. Like as mad as you are and as much as you want to get them. If they like hid behind a bunch of hostages in a house, the police have to wait to get the guy. They can't just like fire bomb the house.

But, and that's, this is a rough, but you, it doesn't work like that on a much larger scale. Like you would never have the resource. Oh yeah. The police will go find the person here. Wouldn't they? Of course they would. They don't do nothing. And they will stay around that house until they get them.

They're not. And they're, they're saying they have hostages, their own family or hostages. Right. That's a good, that's a good analogy of what's going on over there. Well, yeah, that's kind of it, right? But the difference is, you know, the police force or the FBI or snipers and things here, they're not like shooting everyone in the house.

But that happens. It can. Yeah, we don't want that either. We don't want that either. It happens a lot. But my point is that I think that's where the brunt, I don't think that they disagreed all that much. I think that, you know, just different points

of a very complicated situation were brought up. And I think a lot of reasonable people would see it that way too. And as- I struggle with it, I really struggle. Well, people have been because there's been just this pro Palestine energy that, you know, certain people are getting kind of irate about. And it those that are trying to see it more in a balanced light are losing their patience with

Those arguments and I get making sense of war You can't make sense of it. All right. Yeah, I Don't know the ugly shit not but all I know and I'm glad to I'm glad that Joe says this and accepts us This episode is brought to you by Peloton. Spring is a great time to start a new workout routine. With the weather warming up, it feels easier to get into the rhythm of things. Whether you have 20 minutes or an hour

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And really, things like this can't happen again in terms of whatever is left there after all this, they can't have the staging ground for more attacks. What did you, did you hear recently of the Iran firing all the missiles? Yeah. And Israel shot every one of them down because they've got- attacks. What did you, did you hear recently of the Iran firing all the missiles? And, and Israel shot every one of them down because they've got... Minus one, I think. Right. Pretty good. And it hit an Israeli Arab girl. It hit an Israeli Arab Muslim woman, little girl, seven years old. Oh,

God, come on. Why is it always a seven-year-old? It's, I mean, they don't know how to duck and move. Come on, girls, go to gymnastics. No, we should get out of there. That's too soon. But that's, that's awful. And, um, you know, what's interesting is they did actually get Intel from other Muslim countries. Um, the Saudis kind of helped them with some Intel. There was some other rocket shot down i think in egypt maybe right so jordan jordan shot some down so i i guess did you know that but what the

fuck are they up to what you have to do what you're doing iran yeah they they that is a okay so first off biden green lit this this for them Biden said, okay, Iran, to make it comparable to their attacks over there. So Israel shot a building that some leaders of Hamas were talking in and killed two guys. In response, Iran was like, we're going to attack Israel. And Biden said, make it proportionate. Don't go crazy. So Biden basically greenlit this. Wait, what? Did you not hear about this?

No, I Biden. What? The attack from Iran onto Israel. That's bananas. Yes, and it is true. So he said it by he said it by not saying anything else. He didn't say don't do it. He said don't do too much. Don't get crazy. So he said and so they didn't go too crazy. They could have shot from a far closer border and

it takes it would take they would have no prior warning and they would have killed a lot more people so they went shot their 300 drones from eight and blue mystic ballistic missiles from a farther location so Israel was prepared to respond so it was just like hey just so you know we got some missiles yeah but we're not weak right we can do this we still look strong but it's still backfire because they look like bitches because the only I am I'm bias that is yeah No, you're completely right if 99% of your punches don't land Then you suck at fighting

Try kicking yeah God alright, so what's next then so after This is shit. We got to be like what's going on Iran? Oh, yeah, too. I militarily speaking what is just probably do is Finish the finish whatever they're doing in Gaza Because they don't have enemies on mobile fronts and then and then do what they ran if they're either diplomatically or dear lord are they gonna run out of money are they gonna become the next Ukraine and we got a fund them because we're about to not

fund Ukraine and that's gonna get ugly well after doesn't I don't know but Biden's give money to everybody. He's given money to Iran. He's given money to Israel. He's given money to Ukraine. And money- Well, we always, we always can do, just not at the rate that we have been. Okay. So can you believe that the people that,

people are saying that Israel's trying to make a genocide over there, but yet giving them aid to the order of millions. They're feeding, nurturing the people that they people are saying they're trying to destroy, which doesn't make any sense. So on that note, that kind of gives you evidence that they are doing as much as they can to minimize innocent casualties. And that cannot be said for any other party or nation over there. They they shoot to kill to destroy and genocide is a part of their charter. And right. Yeah. Part of their national.

Yeah, and I think that's reasonable for the argument here is like when we're seeing them on both sides and they were making overly victimized things. It's like, yeah, there are women and children in there and they are innocent. However, what do you do with that? It's like, if we play by a rule where they can attack a country and then because they hide amongst the people we're just completely at stalemates. I don't know what kind of technology we'd even need for that. Like imagine how advanced your technology would need to be to only be able to go out and just find Hamas people. Like period. Are those the Jewish space lasers we're talking about? Jewish space lasers? Oh. Coming down, zapping. In venom. Sounds like. They have them, they got them.

Come on. Oh that sounds like a war. That. Maui? It happened in Maui. Okay no, just joking. Well let me go back to another little picture. Go on. Alright You're sitting on the beach in Gaza, you have two to three times the quality of life that a person in, oh let's say, Iran has on the typical average, and you're sitting next to an open pit of sewage flowing down into the ocean. Well, guess what? They have tunnel capabilities over there. They can make a sewage tunnel. But instead of making a sewage tunnel, they make a terror tunnel. And they allow their children to play

and flop around in the mud and piss and shit. They don't have- They don't take care of that people, do they? It's just, I'm not saying it's all over there, but the people have- Rough life? An ideology of death. They pray that their children are martyred. They pray that their children can get blown up in a suicide bomb.

And this is just what I've read. I haven't seen it with my own eyes. And that's the next step with journalism, see it with your own eyes. So maybe we gotta make a trip over there. Right, and I think that's the next step with journalism. See it with your own eyes. So maybe we got to make a trip over there. Right. You know, and I think I think that's it. If we just had better reporting, like we had like people on the ground. Yeah, exactly. It's well, you know, Douglas Murray talks a lot about

what goes on over there. He has a lot of experience. He's been to Gaza. He's been to Ukraine. He's been to Ukraine. He's been to Israel. He really knows what he's talking about. And I guess you could label him as some way or some not what way, but how else do you know? Like, do we have someone that's been to all those places that is also saying the opposite of this, that's like, Oh, this is a genocide. And they're sure about it.

It's like, I'm not really hearing that. It seems like a lot more ill-informed people. Yeah. A lot of armchair Middle East historians have popped up, experts out of nowhere kind of thing. Right. And, you know, those people do more harm than good. And maybe I'm one of them. You know, I don't know. I'm definitely not an expert. I just Try to get this isn't the expert show do this is the show where people listen to Rogan And then they talk about what they've heard and they make sense of it while they live regular lives That's that's what you know, this is been maybe a few dick jokes in it. Of course This has been open to you know in a sense, you know, I hate to make

the Trump reference for this is kind of like the locker room talk of Rogan stuff, you know, this podcast started from me going to jujitsu and chatting with people about what they heard on Rogan that week, because people would bring it up, they'd be like, Oh, did you hear Rogan? And did you hear that guy? And that was interesting. And I was like, Hey, fans and people that like the show should have a place to talk about it. And it doesn't have to be, um, you know, it's, it's like, I'm not doing all of the research behind the things. These are opinions. We're talking about it like anyone would after they hear some stuff and they're also reflecting in their real life. You know, it only gets controversial when

it's like this. When it's like some, you know, physicist that comes on and talks about something, nobody's getting mad. No matter how dumb I talk about what I've heard, I just have interest. I'm like, oh that was wild Did you hear about the potential simulation theory or time travel or this DMT thing people like oh, yeah, that's a fun But you get into this cast. Yeah, you get into this stuff and then it's like, you know Quickly you can become an asshole. So anyway back to why I don't do a YouTube. It's not worth it I don't do a YouTube. It's not worth it. I don't need those comments.

Relax. Well, maybe we should do something else, like an X or something. Let's jump over to Paul Stamets. On a lighter note, everybody, Paul Stamets, the mushroom man, wonderful, wonderful human being. I'm a big fan. Really what he's done-

He's doing some very important work. Yeah, what he's done to promote psilocybin and that level of psychedelics and the research behind it. I mean, this is what people will use to legalize it because it's legit and he's very careful about what he talks about. He always has been, um, he tries his best to represent things in the right light started off the podcast, talking about certain type of mushroom study that actually shows really good immune response, positive immune response for COVID for other vaccine, uh, other not vaccines, other viruses and, uh, potential deadly bird flu things.

Avian flu? Right. Something like that. So, you know, that's pretty interesting. There could be a method there of supplementing this. This is back to, you know, the whole thing of like fungi and vegetables really being medicines. They're probably one of the first successful medicines back in the cult of the cave bear. And then of course, penicillin came about a fair amount.

Right. But what was that one garum? What was that huge mushroom? Right in the beginning, he was talking about. Oh yeah, he like handed it to Rogan. And he's like, don't pick these. But like, you can't give a mushroom like that to Joe Rogan. Say it's like the Fountain of Youth until his till 250 million people not to pick it.

That's come on. They're extinct tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Paul. Come on, baby. And where did he say he got that one from? He said it fell off a tree. Of course it did. Roll your eyes much? I think it was Northern Canada or Northern California.

I think that's where he lives, right? Yeah, I think so. I think so. Well, a while back, and he talked about it on this podcast as well, he gave a link out to an app that you could download. And it was years and years ago. I still lived in California, but you could download it and you could monitor your progress of microdosing while, and you would put it in the app. And since then, they have like the biggest microdosing

study of how it affects you. Now, obviously it's self-reported, you know? It's just like surveys, but that's not bad data when you get it on a very large scale. So I'm gonna do it. What are you wiggling about over there? You're doing a little microdose? Allegedly.

Allegedly? My problem is I get to feeling so good off of a microdose that it quickly turns into a macrodose. You gotta be careful, dude. You gotta show some discipline. Depends. What you got going on the rest of the day. You got to think, Oh, I got to go to the DMV.

Yeah. Don't get all wacky on mushrooms at the DMV. That'd be nightmare. Yeah. You got to spread it out, spread it out, but he's getting some great results from that and, you know, wanted to thank the Rogan listeners. He put it out again. So I'd imagine it's another jump.

I mean, Rogan's up to like 20 million downloads right now per show. Yeah, you add in YouTube plus iTunes and Spotify. Now, I bet he's close to that. It's... Goodness gracious. It's ridiculous. He's the... And think about it.

If he does five episodes a week, which he did last week, or maybe the week before, that's, that's a hundred million downloads for the week. It's created the amount of reach. Ten weeks, a billion downloads. It's interesting that people find his platform so compelling and engaging that they, my favorite podcast I've ever had I don't listen to anymore. So, but I still listen to Rogan. I guess that makes me my favorite. But it is like, yeah, the forms I've listened to have fallen off. Yeah, he just knocks them out all the time. You know, you don't even need to go, but like,

if you think about them, like Hardcore History with Dan Carlin, they're amazing. So much information, you know, even the podcast cereal, which was fascinating. It was such an interesting, like crime legal system podcast, super riveting. And you know, you can go back and listen to it again. It's like, you know, what was the other one? Theranos with that chick that was selling the blood testing kit that went, was it Theranos? I think it was like that. Yeah, that's the name of the company. Right, but you could go back, you know, you can revisit these series as like fantastic podcasts.

With Rogan, you don't need to you just there's always something new Straight off move on miss one. No worries doing is I'm like, oh he had them on and I look him up and then I see he had three them on three times And I'm like I just go back and listen to everything. He's done with them It's like a little a little blast from the past. No, I actually, I did it recently with Douglas Murray. I've been seeing more and more Douglas Murray stuff and I remember him on Rogan, but I kind of forget who he was. Like I don't remember as clearly and I went back, watched it.

It's a cool thing to do and you will be amazed even though I probably listened to it and reviewed it. Even I forgot every single guest. And so often I'll go back and I'll be like, holy shit, he went on Rogan too. It's like, he's had everyone on, dude. I'll do it again, but Graham Hancock, I listen to everything he's done on Rogan. I think he's coming up too.

Graham's coming up, dude. Oh, and it gets heated. I don't want to know spoilers for next week, but it gets heated. Hell, yeah, it gets heated. It's good. It's a proper debate that they've been trying to set up for a long time. Yeah. Listen to a bit today. And I was like, oh, can't wait, dude. Is it fired up? It's fun. Good. Good.

It's fun. It's fun. Yeah. But, you know, back to like, there's so much research coming out. I mean, I supplement Lion's Mane. I do it every day. And I really believe in the data that's coming out on that. I don't know if AlphaBrain has mushrooms in, I bet it does.

Let me see. I have a- I think it's mostly mushrooms. No, I have a thing of AlphaBrain here. Let me see. All right. So it's L-tyrosine, Onyx Flow Blend. All right.

So it's a lot of Vitamix B6, L-tyrosine, L-theanine, oak straw extract. that sounds made up pretty bucks yeah and then phosphatilla disarin i can't read that one that for those the L's are amino is that correct yeah yes that is correct cat's claw bark, a lot of bark and straw going on. Okay, cat's claw is an acacia. It's a woody tree that grows in the desert, like a mesquite tree. Not one of those woody trees. The woody bits. Okay.

Claws and such. All right, let's see what else is on there. A couple of other aminos. I'm trying to look for some mushrooms in here. I don't see any unless I'm missing them. I better get on some mushrooms. Maybe throw me a recommend on on on air or or text me. Well, get on some of that. But yeah, and if you listeners have any recommendations for nootropics that you like, let us know. But I do like AlphaBrain. I really do. I think it's good.

It works. I get a lot of it for free. So bear that in mind. You know, I'm not having to fork out any cash for it, but I really like it. It does the job. It gets me focused. I do put in the, the lion's mane.

That is good. And then there's a bunch of different combinations. I mean, I never think about eating mushrooms like on food, like I like them on pizza and I'm never thinking to myself, Oh, this is probably helping my brain, but they're those crappy white mushrooms that are probably boring and do nothing. It's not after they're in a van for 10 hours and then on the shelf for two days and then they're boiled and steamed, there's probably nothing left, right? Maybe not. Yeah, it's not like you're getting shiitake pizza combos. What's that one that I'm thinking? Remember, okay, so last time Paul was on Rogan, there was a very controversial moment when

he and Rogan was like Portobellos. And then Paul was like, I can't even fucking talk about Portobellos. The CIA will come after me. Yeah, that's a good point. Let's play a little clip from that. They are very much analogous to smoking a cigarette except the agaritines cause tumors all over your body as opposed to just in your lungs. Now whoa, like smoking a cigarette. Sometimes when I hear that, that one's a tough one to swallow, only because it's like, all

right, it's a mushroom, we're talking about cigarettes, but yeah, there was another clip on Rogan, and I'm gonna pull it up where he brought up Portobello's again, and he really backed off from it, let me grab that. Now, nature's a numbers game, so there are beneficial compounds that, in some balance, may outweigh the negative effects of the hydrazines the agaritines in these mushrooms but that jury is still out so what are what are

the negative benefit or the negative effects of this this is an explosive area of conversation and that puts my life in danger so I reserve the right not to answer a question whoa I didn't expect that it puts my life in danger. So I reserve the right not to answer your question. Whoa, I Didn't expect that It puts your life in danger talking about portobello mushrooms He's looking at me silently I will Respectfully move on. Thank you. So anybody who's interested just Google that and get back to me

Next I'm gonna have a guy who is the same height as Paul and he's going to have a mask on and we're going to have some sort of electric box that distorts his voice. Yeah, so Joe had to skip it. And you know, Joe talked to him afterwards and was like, what the fuck? And I think that he's like that first clip said some things online before Life in danger is like it's a bit much and we really believe in the big mushroom is out to kill people I mean, maybe it's a billion dollar industry But kill him money that is greedy fuckers there. Yeah, but

There are fucking assassins everywhere. Come on. We say a lot of shit on this podcast. Nobody's trying to kill me, but I'm no Paul Starritz. So let's be honest. And I'm hard to find and I'm slippery ducking and diving. I can get away slippery slippery. Yeah. So I don't know man. That makes ever since I saw that. Honestly,

I do. I think I do eat less mushrooms on things. I'm a big mushroom fan, but I just I don't think I've had as many. Like I believe someone like Paul, if he's saying it, why would he listen? He's the guy that's trying to legalize psilocybin, get people to eat lion's mane, get people on doses of all different types of mushrooms. He supports them, he loves them, he studied them. He's probably one of the world's expert in understanding fungi of all types, yet he's saying the most two eaten species

should probably not be eaten. There's- Maybe the practice of the groanin gotta be something maybe all of the bad stuff is prominent and none of the beneficial Elements are there. Well, you know because we probably coat of cultivated in to be as big as Juicy grow as fast as possible. It's like nothing. Right. It, we just keep fucking with them until they, it all gets skewy. And most of the time, maybe it's not a big deal, right? Maybe it's like the modern tomato. Pretty juicy tastes pretty good. You know, probably doesn't have anywhere the nutrients, but isn't

anywhere as bitter as like the tiny wild tomatoes. However, you start doing it with fungi and they're not messing around. They're out to get you. They're powerful little critters. Not an animal nor a plant. No, breeze oxygen like we do. Breathe it in, like so.

And then out, and CO2 out, right? Mm-hmm. Incredible. Wild. Let's finish up with him saying that psilocybin should be legal in five years. That's what his prediction is. Maybe he's an optimist or maybe he's just seeing legislation move in that direction. I think therapeutically there's a move for it. Maybe he's an optimist or maybe he's just seeing legislation move in that direction.

Um, I think therapeutically there's a move for it. It's surprising to me that there's not already legal psilocybin therapy treatments. There may be. I don't know about that. Colorado and Oregon, I reckon. There is probably, I know they decriminalized it but they're definitely working with MDMA and ketamine for therapy. Depression and alcoholism, it works. But Ibogaine as far as I know, which is very supposedly very effective, still nothing in this country and I'm pretty sure psilocybin, there's no nothing in this country and I'm pretty sure psilocybin there's no legal route for this but maybe in time and then I just want to finish up with with his

conversation about the movie Dune you know Dune 2 just came out a lot of people watch that I like it oh I love maybe they like it maybe they don't I haven't seen the second one was it good first one I really liked a second one fell fell right on in and I liked it too. Nice, nice. But you know, just that he spoke to, who was it? The writer or like somebody that was very much a part of it. And he's like, yeah, all of the spice, all of the eye color,

everything a part of it, it all comes from mushrooms and mushroom trips, and it's all inspired in that direction. Frank Herbert wrote it. Okay. I can imagine. I don't know if you talked to Frank Herbert. I think he died in the 60s. Yeah, I can't remember who he said that he was talking to though.

I was kind of not zoning out towards the end. I don't want to disrespect the pod like that, but I was just kind of puttering around my house and I remember the end of it. And I'm like, Oh shit. It didn't come as that much of a surprise though. I'm like, obviously it's a weird movie. I think that's a good book. Yeah. I feel like every type of weird movie like that. It's like, you just get a feeling from it. You're like, Oh, this was inspired by a psychedelic. There was a psychedelic involved, somewhere. People were tripping when they wrote this one.

Somebody. But it makes so much sense, and it's a great story, and it has so many parallels to our life about monetization of the environment, and radicalism, and fundamentalist religion, is just, and sex, and AI, religion is just and sex and Michigan, AI rise of AI ruining the world. Right. Yeah.

Blas, do they kill any of those worms in the movie or are they just too big? You'd have to like, you come. You well, the thing of OK, so in the books, they did kill them in order to make a secret and special liquid that women would drink and become a visionary like they have this like so it's not like liquid acid or mushrooms you drink it and then like your mind boom it opens so they do kill worms, but only to get wicked high off of them.

Wait, the baby worms or the big ones? Baby worms. It would have to be. Because the big ones, my point is were the big ones like invincible? Pretty much. Okay. They're too big, they're too powerful.

You can't kill them. I feel like some missiles. A missile in the mouth? Who can take that? What is this, like Star Wars? No, I'm just wondering. I haven't read the books, dude, and I haven't seen all the movies, so I wasn't sure.

I felt like if things are hopping around the desert, scaring the shit out of people, you know, the humanoids would figure out how to wreck them. Lace them from space. You can like shoot a laser or some, you know, a halo altitude low entry. Yeah, but they didn't do that. I'm asking if they did it. No, they did not do that.

They didn't do that. Well, let's let's talk about the desert planet Arrakis. The planet itself is a weapon. The dust, the odd magnetics, it's hard to get there. It's, yeah. Dude, I did not know you were such a Dune fan. This is great. Well, hopefully we get a Dune episode coming up

and you can fill me in on what's going on there. I can mirror it out on it Maybe I'll read it for the sixth time. Oh, look at you big reader. All right. Well, that's it for this week We appreciate you guys as always I hope you enjoyed it and we will talk to you next week later Peter See you Adam