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Episode Date: April 26, 2024

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Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. This is Adam joined as always by Peter. Hey, how are you doing, Adam?

I'm good, man. I'm good. You know, sometimes we gotta be careful about getting into it with reviewing the guests before we start. It's nice to kind of connect on who we're going over and what we liked but it's it like we just do this we would just do this without a podcast right? True. If this wasn't basically our jobs we would

do this anyway right? If they tomorrow were like you're a fired the things you say are outrageous and you can't do this anymore. I'd be like, I will. I'll just do it for nothing. And without a microphone and to the same person. Oh, thank you. Yeah. We just get into it, dude.

Get into it. I mean, you know, as I've done this show for many years, it's like, I do the same thing with lots of people that are listening and like the fans of this show for many years. It's like, I do the same thing with lots of people that are listening. And like the fans of this show, it's like they, they get into it too. I'm sure it's like, you can't help it. Especially when you've got people like Graham Hancock, Flint Dibble on. Dibble? Seriously?

Oh yeah. Dr. Dibble on. Dibble seriously? Oh, yeah. Dr. Dibble. Are we taking Dr. Dibble seriously these days? I mean, I'm sure he's a very serious archaeologist, but anyone called Dr. Dibble, you just got to you just got to take a second with that one. It's funny, I've worked with Dr. Dibble as well. Really? In fish biology.

She was awesome. Oh, OK. Is awesome. Shout out to Kim Dibble as well. Really? In fish biology she was awesome. Oh, okay. Is awesome, shout out to Kim Dibble. I wonder if she's related to Flint. She's got some splinting to do. Oh damn. Well. Just joking. Good old Flint Dibble, you know,

dresses like Indiana Jones. But I would describe him as more of the Indiana Jones without the whip. Yeah. He's like a, he's like an LGBTQ plus Dr. Jones. We've we being hard on him that he's just a nerd. I actually liked him. I didn't like to be condescended on by him.

Yeah. That's a word. Yep, close. But with his speech patterns, but ultimately, ultimately he does know his shit, although he did go back and forth about the things he had said about our dear friend, Graham Hancock, but he's legit. He did do that.

He did do that. He went a bit back and forth there. I you know the same thing. I felt like he handled the debate well Brave to come on you know, but here's the thing. It's like how brave do you need to be? You're the PhD and you're a professional there are tons of PhD Archaeologists that should have been like yeah a, 100% I'll go on. I know my craft. You know, imagine if this was Jujitsu and some karate guy or some fake martial art guy was like, yeah, I'll take you down. He'd be like, 100% I will show up and choke you to death in one second. It wasn't easy for him. Yeah, It wasn't a complete like checkmate.

It was none of that. I mean, other than him saying, but I don't see it, Graham. It's not clear to me. I mean, it wasn't a checkmate on it. If anything, what made it difficult is, what made it difficult is Graham kind of really getting butt hurt over a few things this guy said instead of just trying to be like, look at these facts. It seems like Graham's very hung up on being labeled a certain thing and it's hurting his feelings. But- I can see why though, because it's been 30 years of abuse. He's been shit on by, well,

These guys. Mr. Dibble's, Dr. Dibble's dad and his constituents. And then, and then this guy. Oh, Daddy Dibble? Yeah, his dad was an archeologist. He did a lot. Yeah, Daddy Dibble. A lot of shit.

Dr. Daddy Dibble? Triple D. Papa Dibs. Papa Dibs. Papa Dibs. Well, let's play a little clip. I don't know how much we will play of this, but let's try and make sense of it. This was just a big part of the show

and where it got kind of, you know. In the weeds. In the weeds, but let's listen. ...of their rich heritage and instead giving credit to aliens or white people. Actually, I've never... Did you really say that? No, I said that this idea of Atlantis, the way it goes back 200 years, it has been used

for those reasons. So are you saying your quote is incorrect? I think that it's editing me out of context. Graham, I've never called you a white supremacist or a racist. No, no, you've said that you've... Hang on. That's because you're very, if I may say say so very slippery in the way that you deal with because you know perfectly well you know perfectly well that saying that my work encourages white supremacism

is and and encourages racism is going to end up with me being tarred as a racist and you know very well that tarring somebody as a racist in this day. Look, the results there, down there. Make no mistake, Hancock is a white supremacist like Trump. Look at the sputumus, so long. Tedia there, it's racist fiction pretending to be science. These are not my words. But no, you cite... There, I'm talking about your influence on media and culture.

You cite 19th century sources, you cite 16th century sources, and I label those as racist. And I see it as a problem to to readapt those kind of sources without critiquing them because this idea of a white Atlantis is what existed in the 19th century. I have no such idea. But you might not but you're citing those sources on critically. Why should I not cite them? And I never make that the foreground of anything that I write. I put that in there as a paragraph and I say he should not be citing these kinds of sources without critiquing them because they do the harm.

There's a lot of harm in the history. Can you be specific about that? What are these sources? Yeah. So it was a lot of that. And you know, the white Atlantis, right? I guess that's where he was kind of getting hung up. So if, if you're trying to prove that Atlantis may have existed, right?

Because you're trying to find ancient, um, civilizations that were, that were super advanced, the one that we can point to really that we possibly know is Atlantis, right? Socrates talked about it. It really is like the one that's somewhat documented in a sense, right? Anecdotal. But, you know, there was talk about who they were, what they looked like. And at a time, I guess, people that maybe were seen as more racist kind of like clung onto that too, is like, look, the ancient smartest people were white people. And then he references it. There's so many like roundabout ways.

I don't know why he was tying it in, but I think Graham has a good point here. I think that this guy inadvertently, or maybe did it on purpose to just make his ideas seem less credible, wanted to tie him in with the current cancel culture thing, which is racism. It's like- It's the easiest way to discredit somebody nowadays and it's lazy.

It's so lazy. Also in the literature, being described as fair might just mean good looking. If you're fair faced, that might mean you look good. Like just not saying white or dark, but finely made and like beautiful. I think they did say white though. Well okay on the subject of racism in archaeology context they were they are one of the most racist based sciences I mean up until like the 90s so we have we have to take that with a grain of salt they have had they've came a long way in their inclusion of, you know, okay,

there were these wonderful kingdoms in Africa. Archaeologists. Yeah, they were some of the most, you know, they got on board with the eugenics and some of those weird racist stuff. Everybody's a people, a person of their time. And especially people in 1600s, they're all going to be racist. Graham's not an archeologist. He's a person of their time, and especially people in 1600s, they're all gonna be racist. Graham's not an archaeologist, he's a journalist and a writer. He puts together evidence, and from what I know about him and all his books, he says,

why aren't you looking at this? And why are you discounting this? It's not Graham's problem, he said this a lot. This isn't my problem, this is your problem as an archaeologist. You tell me where it came from and why haven't you? Yeah, I did feel like, I mean, Dibble obviously came on to defend all of archaeology rather than let's see if there's any common ground. And I don't know what it would take to bring someone on that could do that. It would take someone brave. Why couldn't somebody that is like, all right, I'm the best at what I

do. And this is the problem with these types of things. This is basically like history and like quasi soft science together. It's not really like facts. They talk a lot about facts, It's not really like facts. They talk a lot about facts, even though they're like, well, we found this, we dated this, we looked at this, but they're using geologists. They're using people that can carbon date. I mean, archaeologists themselves don't do that science. Remember? They find the thing, they send it to a lab, the lab tells them what's up.

I guess you could say that's all together, but not all the way. You take a chemist, you take a biochemist, they're doing almost all of the work themselves, right? Even if they have a team, they can oversee it. Archaeology, there's a lot more going on. It's like you've got to get historians in and they're kind of bridging the gap between a few things and then looking at old sources, old documents, like putting together writings and working with maybe linguists that can read hieroglyphics and make sense of what was said on the pyramids. It's, they're doing their best as well. It's a lot of fucking guesswork. And some people with the highest education are going to be the best at guessing at this. They're doing their best as well. It's a lot of fucking guesswork and

Some people with the highest education are gonna be the best at guessing of this But the fact that he couldn't lean in more and be like, all right Graham what I think that you're trying to do here is just make what you're doing more credible and You feel like archaeology is like shit on you. So let's just look at some of the examples of some stuff and let's try and find some common ground. Like what do we agree on? None of that was happening during this and it was it made for a tough four hours. It and I listened to and this is my passion so I listened to the whole thing um And this is my passion. So I listened to the whole thing To the And my work suffered. Okay, I

Wait you It was a bummer that they didn't get into more of the nitty-gritty and even when and pizza heart surgeon By the way, everybody so when his when his work suffered, people died on the table. Good work. Gam, Gam didn't make it. Gam, Gam. What are you saying? Your construction work suffered? Do you like built the house poorly? I might've shouted at a boss or two. Oh, you did. You got worked up that day.

Listening to a podcast over here. Oh, I see. No, no, no. I see. I'm always very polite. I try to be very polite. But I know what you mean. Yeah, this this wasn't as smooth runnings. I think this is why, you know, Rogan, you know, encourages these debates sometimes because they've never happened. But I don't know if he really enjoys them. I don't know if on reflection, he's like, I'm into it. He's kind of moved away from them a little bit.

I'm pretty sure he grabs his hold out. And after this one, I don't, I don't, it seemed like, um, Mr. Hancock lost steam and, and I wonder if he was having a bad day or a bad night previously or something, because he didn't, you know, he kept mentioning his age and bless him, he's 70 or 74 or something like that. And he's had 30 plus years of discouragement of getting kicked around. And I'm still on his side of just let's look at this. Like the whole like first part of this was the Ganang Padang, I think I said,

the one over there in the Southeast Asia. They're trying to determine if it was like man-made or not and it obviously is and it's just I wish they had moved on to like the the Megaliths in Malta a little sooner. Yeah me too. He got lost in the weeds because this Mr. Dibble was a little slippery and he also does come from facts. He is a really smart guy and I'm glad he was on there. You know, but I remember it could be that there's like another level to this, right? And I don't want to get into the world of like conspiracy theory and controversy, but Randall Carson, it comes on with Graham often, right? He talks about the younger dryas as

many of us know, and he's great. He knows his stuff The last time he was on with Graham. He talked about this ancient geometry stuff that came in with like Some sort of theoretical physics that was gonna create power In a very new way. And he said that these guys in Greece, I think somewhere around Greece or maybe, yeah, I think it was Greece or Cyprus.

They were working on this stuff and he was in good contact with them and he was going to bring one of these guys on. Um, and they were going to talk about it. Well, that never happened. on. And they were going to talk about it. Well, that never happened. And recently I found out that Graham went on a different podcast where he talked about the episode that Rogan never aired. And the reason he didn't air it is because the guy Randall brought on who was, you know, like the brains behind all of this new technology, um, also had this huge controversy when he was working in one of the oil companies and there were these different lawsuits.

I don't know what it was all about. Um, but basically they decided that there was too much conflict in there and they didn't air it. Well, usually when that stuff happens, Joe takes a step back from the guest in general, even though it wasn't really Randall's fault, I'm sure. But did he fully vet it? And did that cost Joe three hours of his time to not air it?

And what's the result of all that? It really Randall's the result of all that? You know, you don't wanna have, really Randall's the guest of Graham that then builds up enough credibility to bring his own guest on and then it kind of derails. Where do you go from there? And I don't know, it might lean back on Graham a bit too. And it sounds harsh that Joe would even go in those directions.

But remember, he's running a show, he wants to have good conversations, and he doesn't want to create necessarily more headaches for himself. That doesn't mean that he's selling out to the pressures of what's going on. But I mean, he's close to 20 million downloads an episode right now. Yeah. Right? That's a hundred million a week. And it's like at this point after how many years, you know, what's he done this for? Almost 15 years? 15 years.

Yeah, he's done it since 2009. It's like how many headaches does he need? He can just talk to interesting people that he wants to talk to. You know, he's not trying to find controversy. That was never really what he tried to do. Just talk to people interesting. And, uh, I, I think that's a part of it. That's a part of it that, you know, I don't know, Pete, how did you feel after hearing all this? Um, I don't know, Pete, how did you feel after hearing all this?

One out. Oh yeah, but also I don't think we got anywhere beyond, I don't think they didn't address the stuff that I think Graham even wanted to because, well, you know, it's emotional for him. Yeah. And it's also his life's work. Yeah, I get it.

Ultimately, Graham has said over and over, you prove or just prove this to these archeologists. I'm just saying, look at this. And this guy is just, he kind of just throws the baby out with the bath water. He's like we don't have any evidence for that. That's doesn't mean that it shouldn't be investigated dig deeper go further down. Archaeologists only go a certain meter number of meters down because that's how long they assume humans have been leaving their mark.

So when sometimes you find a deeper cut, like the side of a hill where they're making a road and they go down 60 meters and they're finding humans with mammoths, with all these interesting things going on, it gets thrown out because it's too deep and it's outside the realm of their scope. That's that's Graham's problem. As I see it as they're just not getting, why are they more curious? Yeah.

Yeah. Flint did bring up a good point though, about like ancient boats decaying and how stuff in water doesn't really decay at the rate that people often think it does. Like the stuff can be like 20,000 years old and they can still make sense of it and they are not seeing any large sea-bearing vessels, finding them anywhere. Well if it's in an anoxic environment, if it's in a environment without oxygen, then bacteria cannot grow and you can preserve wood very easily.

So if it's deep in the ocean under the sea bed, you're not going to find it. Also you're not going to look at it. So he kind of glosses over the fact and says, and kind of laughs when Graham asks him how much of the Sahara he's explored. 5% would be huge. I think it's like less than 1%, which they've actually dug. But they use models to guess where to dig.

They use math to guess where to dig. But that's not the same as actually digging. Right. That's not the same as actually getting in there. Also, are you kidding me? Underwater exploration, archeological exploration is fucking tough. There's no way you're going to get to places like the Doggerland between the England and the mainland Europe is a place that's heavily researched by underwater archeologists because it's not that deep. Well, the ocean has moved, the land has moved,

the earth has had continental drift and- Yeah, but not much. Not much over 20,000 years. Well, I mean, if it's a huge impact event that causes the earth's crust to ripple and move as much as like, you know, from where Antarctica is now used to be at the south end of Africa, it all shifted southward with continental draft. That's like millions of years.

Well, not with continental, not with Earth. What is the Earth's crust displacement where it literally moves like the outside of a. So there's there's a thing that happens when a huge impact event occurs. The Earth could the Earth's crust can shift on its molten core and quickly cataclysmic cataclysmic. Yeah. What are we saying? The younger drys did that. That didn't seem like that big of an impact. It wasn't like the dinosaur impact. Well, it happened. It was just a pretty bad one.

When you increase the load of ice on one place in the world puts pressure, changes the earth's crust and it could shift in a very, in a faster way. Really? That's why they say that there are trees under the ice in Antarctica. And from all these anecdotal sightings, it seems like there are. There's stuff under the ice in Antarctica. Huh? Well, I thought that it was pretty well known that the continents

move by just like one inch a year. Well, that is the tectonic activity. Right, yeah. Oh, and there's another way that the Earth's crust can move, and that's by cataclysmic activity. So if something like the Yucatan got hit, it killed the dinosaurs, there's a huge asteroid hit in the Yucatan. Yeah, Mexico. It could have shifted the crust. The younger dry ice impact could have added ice to the ice caps. Because it was the sky was clouded. There was and the weight

of that pushed the earth down. No, I think the earth into a new I think the younger dry ice like melted him real quick. The other thing was it was like huge floods. Because asteroid No, I think the earth into a new, I think the younger dry. It's like melted him real quick. That's what I think was it was like huge floods because asteroid came blasted all the snow caps during an ice age, melted things at an unbelievable rate and caused huge rivers. That's what Randall says. That's Randall's thing. Yeah.

I, I don't know if that could move a continent, though. Could it? Could like carve its way through there. Move some big old boulders. We're just putting it together. Yeah, I'm not an expert. I'm working on it. We're just putting it together. And I'm not saying anybody's right. And I really like how

Dibble stood up for his passions. He came with evidence. But was it was it valuable? That was the thing. It was like, if this is the best we can do, then, you know, I never want to shut down conversations between two opposing sides that but is there a better way? And maybe Joe, you know, I hate to give Joe a hard time about it and trust me I'm not saying I could do better. Maybe no one can if anyone can I think Joe could but like was that the best mediator? Is there it can anyone even mediate it? Maybe there's no way You know, I mean Joe Joe certainly didn't want to step in. I think that's what he did well is he wasn't like, okay, now you speak and now you, you

know, he didn't control it like that. Maybe that's the only way to get people's points across, but then it becomes like a presidential debate and that's kind of bullshit. He let everybody speak. But you know, I'm looking at this article now. Where is this? Boing, boing.net. Um, yeah, I'm sure.

Or is it Boeing, Boeing, Boeing? I don't know. Um, um, it, it just says archeologists braves the Joe Rogan podcast, the counter Hancock's nonsense. And then it just goes into this massive tirade about like ancient aliens and how 50% of people in the US believe in lost civilizations or ancient aliens based on a survey. And we're like, we're living in the time of, you know, people not believing in science and pseudoscience and pseudoarchaeology taking over. And the, just even these articles are just such fucking bullshit.

And it's, and it's, I can just imagine even people I know just sat there on their smuggery reading this, just going, Oh, well, yeah, I mean, you just, you just falling down the rabbit hole of not knowing and therefore everything should be dismissed. And it's exactly what you're saying. Throwing the baby out with the bath water. And I'm like, where is this coming from? A dude with glasses wearing an Indiana Jones hat that's five foot two and a suit. It's like, yeah, I am giving him a hard time about looking like a nerd and being short.

We get it, you're an archeologist, we get it. Yeah, get it, dude. Nice hat. Nice hat. I have the exact same hat though, but you're here and you're there. Yeah, well, you look better in that. Thank you, Adam. It's a difficult time. It's a difficult time to be making sense of this kind of stuff.

But I have to say that, listen, Hancock does better on his own on Joe. I mean, the fact that he had that show already and it was well received, he could make more of them, even if people want to push back and say, oh, this is all terrible. People liked it. It was a top show. I think Netflix would make more. You know, we just have to kind of stay on the path there and hope that a new generation of archaeologists come up that are more open-minded. You know? I mean our technology is getting better. LIDAR is getting better. They can scan stuff better. It's not that Graham doesn't want facts. That's what's nice. It's like, hey, find information and if you haven't yet, he's like, okay, cool. Just be open to the fact that this could exist.

Is this the end of the world to believe that there is maybe a different answer here? It was only, it was less, I'm not sure when the thinking changed, but it was not long ago when we thought that the Amazon was a untouched wilderness untrammeled by a man But now we know that place was full of people with Megaliths and huge architecture and tons of like pyramids and shit that

Bunch of stuff going on pump our brakes collect the evidence. Let's just put let's just not stuff going on. Let's just pump our breaks, collect the evidence. Let's just put, let's just not, let's just not be so close-minded. And I wouldn't say that, you know, Mr. Dibble, Dr. Dibble, I actually like his style a little bit. I've met, I've worked with a lot of people like that.

They're by the books. But when you're, yeah, his identity is tied too much to his profession. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's hard not to be, right? But I feel like there's gotta be some cool archeologists out there that would be, I feel like Indiana Jones, if he existed, would have come on and been like,

Hey dude, tell you what, I've been trying to look for the arc for some time and people give me a hard time about it and maybe there's something about it. Watch these three movies. And he fucking found it. He fucking found it. Legend. I might watch that tonight. Actually the first one, it's that good. He'd whip him in the eyes and steal his girlfriend That's what he would do. It's so good. All right, let's jump over to Michelle Dowd Growing up in a cult. Holy shit Could you even imagine?

No wonder she's a yoga teacher. I Want to take her class. Pellessa. So a grandfather, grandfather started the cult many years ago before the internet. So he said he had a PhD from Princeton or something. He was in movies. He did all these amazing things. Really when she thought about it, she was like, he probably couldn't even read, honestly. And yeah, they put that whole thing together and tons of control.

If you tried to leave, they just excommunicated you. There was no like, yeah, like freedom, there's no freedom in there. All right. So one thing you can't say about American ideals is that it's culty, because it's about freedom. It's like you're allowed to disagree. And when people don't wanna do that, to me it immediately gets culty,

because that seems to be everything about closing down descent is culty. Yeah, that's kind of like on our previous topic with the archaeology. It's an accepted mindset. They have an accepted mindset and you gotta buy into it, and if you trade them young enough, they won't question it, and they'll fight to the death for it. Yeah. Yeah, dude. California stuff. Cults are fascinating to me. Like they really are just- You and I kind of grew up in a secular almost, right? We didn't have much. Did you have much religion growing up?

No, none. None at all. But my family wasn't against it. My uncle was very religious. My grandfather was. My uncle was a street like preacher in London on the weekends. He felt connected to go and speak in the street, like have the microphone and you know, I mean the people that do that in the US are kind of seen as very crazy.

I mean, I guess, I guess in England they probably still are like It's very rare that people do that, but my uncle did it. And anytime I interacted with him, he was very polite, very patient, would teach me things. He was a good uncle, and he never pushed religion on me ever. But he obviously felt like he needed to push it on me ever. But he obviously felt like he needed a push on other people. That's interesting.

I didn't know that about you. I didn't know that. Oh yeah. Yeah, he was. Was your mother's brother? My father's brother. So you met your uncle a bit more than you, do you know your uncle better than your father maybe?

Or more often? No, I knew my father better, yeah. Oh, no, so yeah, I mean, we can get into that. This is not my, this is the father that I have the name from, the name Thor. So he technically is my stepdad, but he was around the moment I was born. That's why I have his name.

That's your father. My biological father didn't exist. He left before I was even born. He was like, later nerd. Sounds like quite the handful. Well, it's just life, you know, life in the 80s. It is, isn't it? But yeah, so, you know, my dad grew up as a hippie, not religious, taught us to be pacifists.

They were all a very caring family. They just all went about it in a different way. They had their ideologies, you know. Dad's was like Greenpeace, Amnesty International, just wanting to kind of help the world as he saw fit. Raised us as vegetarians felt like being vegetarian was good for animals and then recycling and get ahead of all that. Saving whales was a big thing. Oh bless the whales. Yeah my uncle on the other hand was like leaning down the religious route so it was like here's the process for for also saving everybody. My family is quite religious on my father's side.

My dad is not. He escaped. He kind of is not escaped, but he quickly knew that was not for him. At 18, he did not go to church anymore. And my grandparents were quite religious, Southern Baptists. And my great grandparents. Does he have brothers and sisters? And they are very religious.

They are? So he's the only one that's not? Yeah. Okay. It's skipped me and my brother, but everybody else in my family is, essentially. Your sister is religious? Quite, yes. Oh, damn. And it's worked for her, and she's... I love... She's great. Practically preach. Oh damn and it's worked for her and she's I love she's great

You know, I had this conversation the other day with a buddy of mine that's a therapist like talking about keeping strong relationships Going with people that have very different religious and political Views is you and I think we all know deep down who we like and who we wanna spend time with. And then there's a process of like empathy and understanding when those people are different. It's like, you don't have to go into every conversation

like it's a COVID political discussion, you know? it's like, yeah, you know, you think way different, but for whatever reason, you still really enjoy these people, just not when you discuss certain things. So either stay away from that thing or at least for a while or learn a way to be like a good listener about it, to just kind of create some connection there. But again, it comes back to the fascination of like how different people are and how they can think. And yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with also being able to point values out that you appreciate and with people in

cults they're not going to appreciate free speech they're not going to appreciate questioning exactly yeah it seems like she turned out okay she really did she's got a book. Why she got out of it. The what's it called? The forager. She went in at eight years old into the mountains with her mother to learn survival tactics and she never left the woods until she was 17.

That's what she was saying. Something like that. That's nuts. She just learned to live off the land and be ready for the end of days. She's pretty great in the wild though. I wish I had those skills. I didn't even like camping. Yeah. We're pretty bad at it, army. Yeah. I mean you know, you're good at it. You know what you're doing, dude.

You, you're like a feral dog. They could throw you out for a while. You'd be like picking berries that you'd never even seen. You're like, that looks like something to eat. I would literally just sit there and die trying to get service on my phone. No, you'd be, you'd help me. But yeah, I don't have experience. My dad never told me that stuff. I never went out there with him. Here's the secret hack. We went to festivals, dude. Festival camping. We went to Glastonbury.

What do you think that teaches you? Pick up trash, not... Right. You know, here's a hack for if you're ever out in the woods, resort to cannibalism right away. Just get to eat people. Day one? Maybe day three.

Okay. The people hobbling, who do you pick? It's like we're not even out of hot pockets yet and you're trying to eat somebody. No, day three. We have literally 15 Pop Tarts left and you've chewed on my finger for an hour. You get away with whatever you want. Love you buddy.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've been watching that new show fallout on Netflix. Have you seen this? It's like based on the video game, post-apocalyptic, you know, nuclear war type thing. People live in vaults. They come out, you know, just dealing with people and the whole world's gone nuts. And yeah, there's cannibals and there's like these things

called like ghouls or something, I don't know. It's pretty, it's interesting. Maybe I should eat a brownie and watch it. But I do wonder how fucked up it would get. It's like, would we really forget that far? I assume we would. You know, like moral teachings are like hard to pass on and people have to survive, but it's like,

I feel like pockets would come together quickly and you know, order would be created quite fast. but it's like I feel like pockets would come together quickly and You know order would be created quite fast because When you look around at things that work and we live in a society where mostly things work, right? Even with the chaos that we know in the US Excuse me, we got water. We got power, we got stuff works, right? And we know it comes from cooperation. And we also know, even if we're not good at cooperating, how cooperation works, which

is you don't just get to fucking act like a complete cunt. Like there's, there's like a process, there's a society. And even if you're not really raised that well, you still kind of understand. It's like, hey, I like being angry and aggressive and a bit of a lunatic, but you know, I also like having my power on because I know that keeps myself warm and my family and these other things.

It's like, I feel, it's like I feel like there's there's like a equilibrium that would be created much quicker than then like the chaos of post-apocalyptic cannibalism. Well you'd like to think so but the only the beasts survive when we're all reduced to animals only the strong survive and that's violence essentially and hoarding goods so you think it would just be like doomsday preppers versus other people with a bunch of guns and everyone else is just savages. I'd go right to mormonism if that happened. Why? You think they got it all? They're ready. They have it all. They do? Oh yeah. You think they can survive the nuclear blast? Well, no one's gonna nuke Salt Lake City. True.

How are we gonna get into Mormonism? How quick can we do it? I know a guy. You know a guy? You get me in? I got a guy. I get you in. Okay. so the nukes hit, I immediately am stuck, who do I, talking about Joseph Smith, what's his name? Yeah, that'll be fine, that's good enough. Full on, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I'll be like, hey. And they don't know much about their own religion either,

so we're all right. Okay, they let us in. They let us in. Well, I think when nuclear war hits, you do need to lean on your privilege. You might be the only thing you got left. I'm gonna be the friendliest guy with a gun you ever met. Well, that's pretty good.

I'll be the nicest guy. That gets us everywhere, but nice gets us so far. Really? But you were just talking about it being savage. You might have to be the shrewdiest. Nicest guy. The nicest guy with the gun. You have the biggest stick and you got the biggest knife. I see.

So you're like, wink, wink, I'm nice, but also I got a big old gun. I got two of them and my wife's got one in her... Yeah, I definitely wouldn't want to go through that in England. They will run out of resources real quick. And I feel here you could just get with a group that is near a lake and be cool with them. And then you bought yourself a couple of years, which is, we're all living month to month, even now.

Right, we never know when it's gonna just end for us. Yeah. The banks are gonna come for us. It sounds like we need to get a good plan together and we'll get back to you guys. We're gonna get, I think we're all learning here. Yeah. We're all learning. You know, one interesting thing they brought up

and Joe did too, but you know, like how religious people are, you know, Christian especially with like the word of God. It's very loaded, you know, and I don't want to take anything away from religious people. Like you believe what you believe and I respect that. Yeah, but also here's what's difficult for people that weren't raised religious is are they then supposed to look at any text and assume that it's correct even if it was the first story of it was written down a hundred years after the event. So the first stories of Christ were written down a hundred years after Jesus lived,

and that was Peter, supposedly. That's a long time. That's my name. Yes. But that's a long time. I mean, if, if you took an, any other type of book and you wanted to tell me that it was a fact, but they were like, Oh, these events happened a hundred years before somebody wrote about it. So all the stories before that would just kind of like, um, word of mouth, it would be a difficult thing.

Like people are easy to dismiss stuff that was heavily researched. Exactly. In person in the year that it was discovered and looked at and printed on. And then we have this thing that is like all those hundreds of years later. That's a tricky sell for me. Right? And I don't think, I don't think that's unreasonable.

If I'm being unreasonable, then I understand because they do put that disclaimer on there that was all protected by God. The only other bit of that, that is a struggle is that multiple Christian religions have different versions of the Bible. And weren't they really mostly dictated by kings and different popes? Well, let's see. Let me try to break this down as best I know. So there was the Talmud, Old Testament, written by the, put together by the Jews. Christians took that, made the New Testament, which describes the life of Christ. And that was put together, that was canonized,

meaning made holy by the Nicene Council. I don't even remember when that was, but it was the time of Shakespeare or maybe just a bit before. Okay. And so they excluded parts of the Bible and included parts of the excluded scrolls. Is it like 16th century? Like 14 something? Like four times something. Yes. Yeah, then I see in council put together by a King who was well then the real quick and to be fair. We've just missed 1500 years before Jesus existed who was who was making the Bible before that? Well, that was it was in Jewish text from there was all a Jewish Jewish religion The Christ came to the Jews said I'm the Messiah it was in Jewish text from, it was a Jewish religion.

The Christ came to the Jews, said, I'm the Messiah, and then it became Christianity, it added on to their texts. So it was the Jewish text plus new Christian texts, and then you have Islam and 700, and that was added on to Jewish texts as well. So they all come from the Old Testament. Right. That's why they're all called people of the book, Christians, Jews, and Muslims. They're all called people of the book. They all use the same... Yeah, two of them took, okay, so Islam, from what I understand, so they founded their religion upon the values and texts

of the first one, the Jews. So, you know, that's, someone write it in and tell me if I'm wrong, but it's definitely, that's my understanding. So, and they were all, Christianity was, it should be called Paul and no It sounds like that. They were just an add-on to the Christian one Yeah, but they don't use came in order really. Oh, they don't they don't then use that like they don't use any of the

They don't use the books. Actually, they have their own book But it was but lines are clearly lifted from the Talmud and used in their books So like it was clearly just like a driven derivation of the first book. Mmm The Quran is a derivation of the Talmud. Okay But but not if you're a believer in the prophet then then it's real, you know, I Don't I'm not trying to like disparage that religion. Well, I mean, you know, if this was like technology, you would just go with the newest one. So I guess that if I'm going to follow one, I'm going to be Muslim. Because that's the newest one. You have the beard for it. So look at that. That's the newest one.

You got to have the most updated software, you know, take the recent upgrade. Adam, there's one thing the prophet has that you'll never have Gold a Great big bushy beard. Oh, I bet he does. I Bet they all had good bushy beads. Jesus probably had a better beard than me. Yeah, they no doubt no doubt Though I'm proud of I'm having I'm having a good time i'm having a good time All right, yeah, so that religion Wow, um

I almost got to a point but I I waffled about no you were close you were close and Again, we're just trying to like figure out like what what is the thing? You know what makes people sign up and guys, just so you know, like thousands and thousands of people listen to the show. So there will be plenty of people that get real worked up about the nonsense that we just kind of tried to work through and we get emails about it. And that's okay. Freedom of speech, get carried away. Yeah, get upset. Other people though, and plenty of them,

are like also not sure where they stand with any of this and don't have like really strong opinions about it. And they're like, oh yeah, how did people get to this point because there are people born in the world that aren't born into families where they're following any of those three religions or any of the other religions in the world so they have to then themselves make sense of what is going on because it dictates a lot of the philosophy in the global community. And the question is like, okay, should we go back to the roots of it?

And when we do, the stories are like difficult. Secondhand. Yeah, they're kind of difficult to follow sometimes. I mean, if you're not, and I hate to say indoctrinated by it, but that's what it is. It's if you're not brought up learning that that is- Born into it.

This whatever thing is the truth, you cannot come at it later, or maybe you can, but it's very difficult to come at it later or maybe you can but it's very difficult to come at it later and see it as something that Clearly leads to the the issue of the day, right? It just doesn't seem to get there What did Ricky DeVay say? I think he's got a quote that I've heard a few times where he's like if you're born in India You're gonna be Hindu if you're born in India, you're gonna be Hindu.

If you're born in Iraq, you're gonna be Muslim. If you're born in England, you're probably a Christian. And you all have the right God. Yeah, honestly, I think a better quote of his is when he was on the Colbert report and like Colbert is a devout Catholic. And he turned it up on him. I remember that.

Yeah, and he was just like, okay, so you believe in God. And he's like, yup, yup, I believe in God. And that's Colbert just banging on about his way of thinking about it. Shit, yeah, bless him. And Ricky's like, okay, so you believe in one God. And he's like, yeah, I believe in the God. He goes, well, technically three. He is like the Holy Spirit and the goat and whatever

else, but he was like, I believe in I believe in the Trinity, you know, but that and he's like, all right, well, let's just call it one God. He goes, I just believe in one less God than you. Right. And if you take all of the gods, plus the Hindu gods and all the other religions, there's thousands of them. So I just believe in one less, which happens to be no gods. And that to me is kind of the best argument I've ever heard, because if you're a Hindu and you're devout, and I met them when I was

in Sri Lanka, they could believe in all different gods, which was really interesting. Like I went to dinner with two families that worship different gods. They believe the other God existed within the religion, but they focused on theirs. And it's like Ganesh and those different ones. They were like, this is ours.

They had the statue in their house. They were just like, from what I could tell, as devout as Christians, I know that I've met in the West. Like for sure, like they probably had more statues of their God than you see crosses in a Christian religious house in the US. Or maybe the same, you know, sometimes you get a lot of crosses. But US or maybe the same, sometimes you get a lot of crossings,

but the same level of being devout. And I like that. I like to see devout people across the world, even if I'm not particularly religious for any one thing, but I like it. I always have a good time with those people. They're polite, in my experience, and they've been great.

But it was fascinating seeing the same religion have these multiple gods and you can choose from them. And there's like thousands of them in Hinduism. And they can be also quite conservative. They can be quite like, and they have the same features of some of those people that we've met there of other religions. They have the same humble nature and giving attitudes.

Exactly. But then, you know, they're open to this idea of this, you know, like, um, multiple God world. Then you have the ones that are like, no, there's just one god. And to me, when I look at the way that like people grab power, it seems like becoming like, what do they call it? Monotheistic.

It's like that seems like potentially power grabby moves. That's what I was gonna say. And I'm just saying that from like an outsider, right? It's like, how did you get to this point? Because it was probably multiple gods, like the Greeks had multiple gods, the Romans did. All of these like older civilizations had multiple gods. They gave you more freedom, more choice.

Well, then all of a sudden the freedom and choice was taken away. And it's like the more you move in that direction you end up having just just fights. Yeah, it's not. It's It is a it is a tough nut to crack. But human development goes from bands, which is like 20 people together to tribes, but human development goes from bands, which is like 20 people together, to tribes, which is like 100 people together,

to like Hawaii, which became a kingdom. And so you go from having many chiefs to one king, and you go from one king, and so if you go from one king to, and you try to model your religion after that to help control people. So it's, it has been a common progression of religion that parallels that. Yeah, that does require a lot of justification. You know, you would have to, and it doesn't, it doesn't mean they were wrong, right?

I'm just asking the question, but like, give me examples where this didn't happen this way. It's like any time a dictatorship came up or like something that you, anytime that you can't question anything, I want to question it. Tell me what I cannot question and I'll talk about it. When people like 9-11, that was an attack on the US. I'm like, I don't know, that building fell real fast. Like that's a fucking question I'm allowed to ask.

Wouldn't there one building that fell without a plane hitting it? But anyway. Dude, let's go. But that's exactly it. I don't want to get canceled again. Well, but you know, who is to say, who cannot ask questions?

And anytime people do, they are trying to control a narrative and why are they trying to control it? Because they don't like it, because it doesn't work for them. And you know- All benefits. Yeah, but I mean, if you're talking about real investigation, you get

there better with questioning things. Yeah, you'll hear some nonsense. Some idiot will be like, it seems flat. And you're like, all right. Okay. It's like, I'm pretty sure that even we could do some shit shadows that I'm too lazy to do and measure them and then call a buddy and fucking somewhere else and measure that shadow or.

Actually the, um, the Greeks, one of the Greeks Epicurus, I'm just gonna start naming some Greeks Epicurus. Let's see. Pythagoras. Um, Epicurus sounds like someone that would have figured out that the earth was round because he was curious. And he, and his math after using like a 20, a 20 mile triangle, he was, he,

no, I thought he used an obelisk in like a well. God damn it, Adam. I don't know. Yeah, I think he did. He used the, but he was with somebody who's the well somewhere and somebody used the shadow of an obelisk at the same time. They figured out a way to be like in different positions, like miles apart, but like do like, cause the well is like deep, right?

So when the sun is right in the middle of that, he knew that was the point. He could somehow signal to somebody else that an obelisk, you know, like a 18 foot tall spiky deal that they love. And then they measured a shit. I mean, I'm probably butchering this, but I think it's pretty close to this. We're both almost close, but the math figure he was, he was within a few hundred miles of the actual circumference. Yeah, but if you do the math right, you would figure it out. Yeah, he was close. He was very close. Right. So, smarter guys than us. But that's a good example,

right? They weren't waiting around to be told ancient stories about whatever the Earth was. to be told ancient stories about whatever the earth was, they believed in this counting system, and I guess you could call that a religion in its sense. You know, maybe that's what AI is. AI is the religion of math, you know, but not really. It doesn't take belief, right? Because you're, it's okay, maybe it does, but it's a better example of it because you're constantly given, you're constantly allowed to ask questions and re-examine questions.

I guess that is my example of a better ideology. Give me an ideology to follow where I'm allowed to ask questions. Also evidence to prove or disprove. Yeah. Something you can bounce off somebody else. They can try it out, get it right or wrong and you can move on. Yeah.

I mean, if you're counting five oranges plus nine apples every time and not coming up with the number 14, like there we go. You got a problem. Figure it out. What else with this gal? Michelle Dowd. She was, she was lively. I like cigars, like smoking cigars. Yeah, I think her and Joe really hit it off. her and Joe really hit it off. Yeah, I think Joe was a big fan and he does have a fascination with

people that grew up in cults and how difficult it was to grow up in cults. And I respect that because it's crazy. It's outside his realm of understanding really. Exactly. And it's like, where does it lead and where does that person go? And good for her for being so thoughtful. And so, I mean, she's not even close to the weirdest person that Joe brings on, to be

fair. So, yeah, God bless her. And yeah, we'll see if she comes on again. Let's finish up here. We're running long, but let's finish up with Tucker. Yeah, God bless her. And yeah, we'll see if she comes on again. Let's finish up here, we're running long, but let's finish up with Tucker. Tucker motherfucking Carlson. I've been waiting for him to get on. Speaking of which, a person that asks questions and doesn't look towards answers.

He's like, but what about this? Yeah. You think about that? Uh huh. I mean, amazing, right? So let's just go over Tucker a little bit. Fox news guy became the most watched person on Fox news. Well, now he has a far bigger podcast and a far bigger audience. Right?

But he's closed from the mainstream. What does that mean? Does it mean that the government didn't want him on? You know? Well, yeah. Who runs Fox? Rupert Murdoch, maybe one of his underlings. Yeah.

They're all, they're about selling newspapers. They're not, I mean, he came out and accused the CIA of killing JFK. I have never heard, I've never heard a news person say that. Not with an audience. So do you think that the, do you think the government runs the media? I think the government might run the media. Absolutely. Like that's what it tells me.

There's no free media because they were like, Hey, we can't, he's talking shit about the intelligence agencies. And even though he's your biggest show, the biggest pundit on Fox News, which already says wacky shit, according to many people in this country, let's get rid of them. And they can't just kill him because God bless America, we're not doing that anymore.

We did it. We do it in the sixties, folks. I mean, the Clintons were probably doing it still, but mostly it doesn't happen. Right. I mean, Joe Rogan hasn't been whacked for anything like COVID related. Tucker hasn't. It's not like people are just big names are just disappearing. So they found a way to just allow it.

But is it because they can just kind of label like even though Tucker is probably bigger than he's ever been mainstream he's easier to dismiss now because he got fired from Fox same as Don Lemon the same as many people even Rogan who is bigger than ever Even Rogan, who is bigger than ever, every time he's mentioned in an article, they're like controversial podcast host, Joe Rogan. Do you know how many other podcast hosts they say that? There's, who's the fucking girl that's like the second biggest podcast?

It's like something daddy, your daddy or... Oh, it's fucking garbage. Nobody says controversial host about her. Nobody even says idiot host her, which they should because she's a fucking idiot. Sorry lady, I'm glad you're rich and I'm glad you crushed it. You have the same agents I do. Well, guess what?

People listen to that, don't get anything out of it. I mean, maybe, maybe they're entertained. I mean, it's podcasting. Like listen to what you want. I'm happy for it. But like this labeling of people, you know, as controversial or like, whatever, that's where it gets slippery. It's like, it's almost like the cheat code. And it's like who? Controversial to who? Not the 20 million people that listen to him, not the most people that

listen to any media source that ever existed. Do you think they think it's controversial? Only because some other fucking nerds say it is. And who are these nerds? It's like controversial to the 200,000 people watching CNN. I mean, was he controversial when he had Zuckerberg on? I mean, when is he controversial? When he's just asking a question occasionally, maybe put that in the headline. Occasionally controversial, like brave enough to be controversial. That's what the fucking headline should be.

It's like, anytime I see that, I know whoever's writing that story is honestly, dude, it's probably some fucking bitch of a dude that cucks out to his girlfriend. That's honestly what I imagined. Sings to the pod. He never has listened. Never part, because if you listen to Rogan, you'll know he's just right to the pod. He never has listened to a pod. Because if you listen to Rogan, you'll know he's just right up the middle. Yeah. With controversy.

He asks the questions, he doesn't expect an answer. He doesn't need an outcome. He just acts in the question. Yeah, I just imagine a dude in a scarf that- For chins. Right. Yeah. If he's not overweight, he's smug as fuck, but he's definitely dating some girl that doesn't respect him.

Only fend models. Right? No. Good luck. That guy writing this article? No, he's just dating probably like the hot chick at the vegan convention that is like wanting to date Jocko secretly. Well, we're humans, we can't get away from our humanity. And we're easily swayed, aren't we?

We're easily swayed by people that we want to believe. And if there's one thing that you do well, Adam, is that regardless of your views currently, if you have new evidence that comes into your views, you change your opinion accordingly. Right. And that is what I wish for every single person is when new information elicits a new ideology, if it applies. Yeah. Well, back to Tucko.

Like that time you got your butthole waxed. Oh yeah. Well, give it a shot. I mean, when in Rome. Your farts are louder but your poops are smoother. Like a missile. So T So Tucker was talking about the UFO shit. And he said, look, the government knows they know it's real. He's heard enough. They don't know what it is. They may be in bed with it, which is kind of in UFO folklore been the conversation, which is wild.

I've seen men in black, one, two, three. Right. So what does that mean? Like how the fuck do they, like, if you're gonna go down that conspiracy road, and God bless, cause we have no evidence or proof of this, but it's like, look, it seems like these things have been around for a while, flying around, doing that thing.

Oh yeah. For thousands of years in cave paintings, in Renaissance art. Do you, would you want, okay, let's just throw it out like this. Would you prefer the government to be in such a position of strength that someone there could speak on our behalf and be worthy enough to communicate with them? And I say that with all due respect to the human race. But if they are a fucking thousand years ahead of us and we are like ants or cockroaches to them, it's pretty good that we're on their radar, right? So we drop a few nuclear bombs, they're paying attention to us, and then somehow we have some group that is able to be like, yo, real quick, what do you guys need?

Please don't destroy us. And who knows what the deal is, dude? I would certainly not trust any of our leaders in the world to talk to them. I would hope they would meet the most LSD'd out, I would hope they would meet the most LSD'd out, hippie, dirty hippie in a van, talking about peace and love and oneness, and he meets them, and that's our envoy to the aliens, because that's a good view.

Yeah, but not if they want something. Then they need to meet the best negotiators. What do they need from us? I don't know. They have everything they might need. Let'sators. What do they need from us? I don't know. They have everything that it might need. Let's speculate. What could they want? What could they want that they couldn't just take?

Okay, so Tucker's thing was that they're here in Earth, on Earth, in and out of space time, always been here. Yeah. And now we like are coming in contact with them and they kind of gift our, always been here. Now we are coming in contact with them and they kind of gift our technology to us sometimes. Their technology to us. Well, here's fiber optics he mentions, here's anti-grout, here's some new radioactive mineral.

Why would they do that though? Why would they do any of that? Well, and so, and this is Joe's thing. Joe's like, well, maybe they're giving us the tools to speed up our technology evolution to make an AI to make us a type for civilization where we can transcend our bodies transcend our minds transcend our earth and Get beyond it and be a part of the galactic whatever or the universe itself or something like that. That's that's Joe's take. Yeah, I feel like if that was it, they would just give it to us.

They'd be like, hey, you want the iPhone fucking 14000? Here you go. Everyone gets one. Enjoy. And it just like sucks into your brain and just allows you to shoot around dimensions. Well, what if they're future humans, you know, that are trying to do that? You know, something like that. I have no strong opinions about this.

It was a great conversation. Those guys just bro down for two hours. They basically did. They basically did. It was pretty neat. Yeah, I'm just saying I wasn't sold on the theory behind why you could have the UFOs like connecting with what the U S government and having some sort of deal.

Like, I don't know what that would be. Like, I feel like we're either accidentally finding technology that they break, that like falls down and then we reverse engineer it, or they're just zipping around and we have none of it. Or they're all unpeopled, you know, they are all just drones and we get their drones, we get to think they're trash, they've let crash or, you know, Roswell where they think they, well the conspiracy is that they've found aliens. you know, Roswell where they think they, well, the conspiracy is that they've found aliens.

That would be a weird encounter that we've barely considered is a UFO civilization that was all AI because all the people, or not people, but like the aliens all died. I guess the people. Yeah. It's just like their civilizations died and the drone is just carried on cause they're AI and they don't really know what to do. They're just like running their programs, collecting info and they're just zipping around. They have, they like have protective stuff.

So sometimes they shoot at us. Sometimes they don't, sometimes they grab one of us, sometimes they fuck off, but they're not doing anything in particular other than just running some ancient program. I think that the phenomenon of UFOs is undeniable now, right, it's been documented, and so it's undeniable now. Yep. The physical limitations of biological organisms are such that you cannot travel at thousands of miles an hour, change directions at 900 miles an hour, go into the ocean,

travel at 500 miles an hour. No, you poop your pants. Oh, I would. So like the thinking is potentially these are unmanned crafts guided by somebody somewhere else or nobody somewhere else is what you're saying. They're all done. They've all passed away. And so we have their RC cars here crashed in. Yeah, basically. I mean, I Ashton. Yeah, basically.

I mean, I don't know. That seems possible. Yeah, I'm just trying to work it out. I mean, brighter minds than us. Yeah, but he also talked about the size of the US government, right? So there's 10 million federal employees. It's gosh.

Yeah, two million contractors. 10 million federal employees. It's gosh. Yeah. 2 million contractors. That's 12 million out of 330 million. Like that is the largest corporation that ever existed on the planet that the whole rest of the country pays for. And mostly part of the, the rest of the world pays for it too. So within that is the intelligence agencies and they deem this important to cover up. Is that not a fact?

The question is why? Why would they? If it was bullshit, why would they even bother? Like who cares? Be like, oh, what'd you say? Yeah, that's weird. Oh, we're looking for that too. We need them. We really need those people. It kind of feels like if you had something, you would cover it up. Where it came from, how they got it and what the cooperation is, who knows. But I think they are catching these like crash drones. And I don't, yeah, I just,

I can't imagine they have any aliens in them. I just don't think that's a thing. So there were, I mean, all we've got are obfuscated reports, redacted pages and pages of reports. So we don't get the full story. And in this day and age, I've said this maybe 10 times yesterday, who do you trust?

Who do you trust to tell you the truth? That's a good point. I mean, Tucker doesn't even believe that we figured out how to make the nuclear bomb, which- I bet you Einstein could have. Yeah, but that begs the question. Where do you think we got it from? Tux?

Like, did we get that from aliens too? Is he full on aliens right now? Didn't the, didn't the, um, defected Nazi scientists basically come up with that? Basically? Yeah. Yeah. Well, with, uh, with October Sky, what was that guy's name? Dr. Von Braun?

Mm-hmm. No, he was like the NASA guy. He was- He was- He was from Germany. He, yeah, but he was good with missiles and like ballistic missiles. Okay, so that is nothing- So it was really like Oppenheimer's group

that came up with, there was a theory early on about like that nuclear fission thing, like the explosion there. It was just like, how do you make it happen? And no one could quite figure that out. So, you know, the team at- White Sands Trinity Base. Yeah. What do they call those? Like the Manhattan Project, there we go.

Manhattan Project here in New Mexico. And Los Alamos. Yeah, they put it together. But I don't know, it's like, I guess just what do we get given this? Like I can't imagine this. Like there was some deal with aliens that we got given it. I felt like that's what he was implying.

I couldn't imagine giving monkeys a fucking neutron bomb, atomic bomb. Yeah. They wouldn't do that, right? That's like silly business. Maybe they were like, here's a power source and you guys used to kill each other. Right? We're not giving you anything else. I mean, if they only gave it to us were like, here's a power source and you guys used to kill each other. Right.

We're not giving you anything else. I mean, if he, they only gave it to us as like, this is how you make power. Unlimited power. Yeah. Unlimited power, which you eventually will decide that is bad for you and you won't make it, but. Which is, which is silly. I don't really have more nuclear reactors than we have nuclear bombs Think about how fucking stupid that is

Should have nuclear reactors everywhere running everything we should have so much power we never need to turn the lights off Do you still have family members that are like a turn the power off it saves the environment? We got light balls that like LEDs that are like four volts or what? So whatever they like our bill. Yeah, they use me nothing no more Dude, I went to a friend's house that had he's completely off the grid. He has solar panels on his roof and he just leaves his lights on all the time and he loves the environment and I was like you don't ever turn your lights off in this room and he was like why I have solar panels I don't use the grid

so the power just came from the sun and it actually hurts my light bulbs to turn them on and off in this room so I just leave them. And it doesn't really waste power because the power already came to the roof. And I'm like, that is a great point. I apologize. I was just born into an 80s society where I was like, oh, don't you turn these off? Propaganda, dude. Don't eat the toothbrush bristles on your toothbrush.

Otherwise you'll get appendicitis. Yeah. It's a lot of just malarkey. Stay away from him. Yeah. Well, look, I think Tucker's like he's important for free speech. He's an important advocate for, excuse me, what he creates, what he brings to the table. Like, I don't know where he's going to go with his show and what legitimacy in the mainstream.

I think that what will happen is he will build a larger audience in the podcasting and YouTube space. Also go on, you know, multiple shows in the, in the podcast world, You know, multiple shows in the podcast world, but mainstream media can now kind of discredit him quicker because he was fired from Fox. They could say like controversial, you know, pundit Tucker Carlson that also, yeah, fired from Fox is like on his like little group of whatever, but they, but they did it. They did it with fucking Alex Jones, man. Alex Jones was huge and the FBI crushed him. Yeah. And, and the, and the zeitgeist of the country got behind that. Yeah.

Yeah. That's the question. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I have very little opinion on it. He he claims some responsible stuff about Sandy Hook and and double, double, double down on it. Whatever the math is. Dude, dude. But relax.

Tucker said some wacky stuff about the voting machines under Trump, and he wasn't sued for it, and that was all proven to be wrong, and he like went full on board on Fox News about it. And how crazy is it to think that a— They chose, they chose the thing to go at him about, right? Right. And they can. They could have done it about this.

It's like, it's, it's really interesting when a lawsuit gets enough press that people get behind it and they're like, well, but this is like really the issue. It's like, look at some of the Trump ones, the, some of those charges and I hate to use the pun, but they are trumped up. It's like getting worked up about him overvaluing his properties. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? That's the worst thing a politician has done. Like, hey, what, what is Nancy Pelosi up to?

And I'm not defending Trump. I'm just saying equal playing field motherfuckers. Like it's real easy to get worked up about these different causes and you know, and then slam someone. But I think what's happening is they're finding this Avenue to where they like move these big pundits out of the mainstream because they won't work with them. They know they're going to have a big audience privately, just like Alex Jones did, and then they find a way to crush them.

And the only person it's not worked with so far is Rogan. They tried it twice. Didn't work. And then I, what was it covered? And then what was, what was the other one? Oh yeah. It was like an N word video of like just old clips. Dude, he was talking about Richard Pryor bits and just being brave enough to

just say it. And that, well, we all saw how quickly that died. Yeah. Cause it's just nonsense. Exactly. But I think that's the new plan with these people they can control and Tucker might be the next one. So I'm very interested to see what happens here. I mean, they're already, dude, they are hammering Elon.

They basically have halved the value of the richest man in the world. That's what they've done by just hammering him about his political stuff and buying Twitter. Well, and you said who controls, you asked me in the audience, who controls our media? Does the government control our media? Well, it controlled Twitter until Elon bought it. And now look what's happening. We, oh Oh they're coming after us now that we figured this out. Oh what are we gonna do? Go Mormon. And on that note thank you all for being a part of this wacky episode and we love you

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