Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 385 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Terrance Howard Et al.

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

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Wowzer. Man, down the rabbit hole of simulation theory and how all of science could be wrong. That's, it's a lot to take in. I mean, let's say just for the sake of argument, the Terrence Howard and Rizwan Virk were both correct. And they're both obviously intelligent people, right?

Whether they are correct about their assumptions of what's happening. I would say they're intelligent people, right? You've talked to some dummies before. They're not them. If they are both right. One, we live in a giant computer program already and therefore maybe everything is completely meaningless and second the way that we're examining our entire world scientifically using physics and chemistry is also all wrong.

Like we're using dark age theories. We're not getting into the minutia enough is what I got from Terrence Howard. Yeah, he's really getting in the space between. In between for sure. Filling in the blanks. So yeah, let's start with Terrence. I think this one was the biggest shocker of the week because you see an A-list celebrity jump on and I'm like, oh, Terrence Howard, I liked him in movies. Let's check this out.

And bam, instantly goes into it like a sage. I'm like, what? I had to be sure I was like, I had to look him up. I was like, oh, that is the Terrence Howard I'm thinking of. Yeah. Totally blew me away. Something else. I mean, is it possible that he could be one of the smartest people alive? It is possible, right? I guess until he gets refuted, disputed and refuted,

I can't argue. I don't know how to argue against his points. I don't know what he's talking about. Even even if he did and it has been, is it one of those things where it's like, oh, it took 60 years before people like, oh yeah, he was totally onto something that and we ridiculed him and treated him like dirt and then boom he has something. I just don't know. Let's just say I've had a few conversations like that

with some psychedelic heads on the boardwalk inside of Monica. Right, and I think those were the clues I was trying to look for. I was like, are there any elements of what he's saying throughout that kind of point towards just like being a bit of a wacko? You know what I mean? Like, just out of nowhere.

You know, often people would try and draw too many points together in a comparison and it's almost like the brain itself is overloading and just seeing too many connections. But that maybe also is something that really clever people do. You know, they just see how everything is kind of connected. He's got a, he's got a, he is definitely drawing a lot of threads together.

And it's, it was hard for me to, to, to follow him in a way that it would, that I could confirm or deny what he's talking about as, as facts. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's possible. We're not here to do that.

It's, it's like, we're here to, we're here to just be like, okay. Number one, was the pod interesting. Yeah. Hell yeah. It was, it was like, why, dude, I could talk with that dude all day. I think I'd be, I have a great time just getting into it. I felt like I was tripping a little bit. Yeah. I mean, he came at the paradigm of our current knowledge of science hard, dude. I haven't heard of anyone have the confidence, I was going to say audacity,

but just the confidence to say, you're all wrong. And this is why. And be able to do three hours and at the other end of it, it wasn't like 1000% clear that they were nuts because it just wasn't even close. I'm like, huh. I mean he had his simulations. He's speaking at Oxford, talking to other physicists and universities about these ideas and wanting to reach out to like very powerful people like Bezos and Elon. I feel like a sit down with Elon Elon could solve this pretty quickly right? Because Elon could just be like hey, hey, I love what you're saying You know, maybe there's something here

I will fund something his a million dollars or whatever Just make me something that we can't make Anything yeah, like wouldn't that be enough? I mean, Terrence Howard has enough money to do that by his. He can get that going. That's a good point. That is, I guess that is what he's up to with those patents. Like maybe he's getting these patents over 100, right?

Or hundreds of patents. Yeah. He's got many, many lots. Lots of power. So like so maybe he's just getting it in paper that eventually some of these things might be proved right. Yeah, maybe he just wants access to other deep thinkers and he can share his ideas and see what they come up with.

And I think the bit about it that I really enjoyed is like the, maybe this is naive, but like the hopeful nature of like, wow, wouldn't it be fucking wild if somebody really did take the periodic table and go, Hey, yeah, it's really well like put together. But if you do it like this unraveling spiral connected to frequencies and sound, you'll be able to invent way more cool shit much sooner and all your electronics will work better. Right. It's like the kind of thing that you would imagine aliens would come down and tell you. They'd be like, oh, I like what you did, but actually the map is upside down and all the earthlings are like, oh shit. That was it. Yeah, it's inside out. Well, maybe it's all sound based and maybe he can crack the code of the pyramids with that. So maybe crack the code, maybe crack the code about how they lifted all those blocks.

They're so heavy with sound frequencies, which was a common fringe theory idea. Right. Right. Oh, but saying that real quick, this is this is a side note. Did you see that they found a parallel river running with the Nile that was much closer to where all the pyramids were laid out? They did some like, I think they did some LIDAR and they saw the riverbed. Yeah, before the the droughts were setting in, it was a viable waterway that, you know, was just an offshoot of the Nile and kind of followed where many of the pyramids were built. It was undammed. At least it wasn't dammed with modern technology, so now the river is certainly channelized and in its course because we control the damming. Now the civilization flourished when it

flooded the surrounding fields and receded, so people had to move away and and of course the river fluctuated in its course. Well there are four boats buried at the pyramids on each of the corners. They don't talk about much but there are huge boats buried at each corner of the pyramids. At least that's what Graham Hancock says. Right which would suggest that they you know had some water. Had a flip maybe the whole thing was surrounded by water. You're right. I don't know. So anyway, that was a bit of a side note, but yeah, the frequency for like floating

the rocks is something, right? Vibrating them up in the air is one of those types of ideas. I mean, I don't know. It's I feel like Joe enjoyed the podcast. He liked talking to Terrence. I'm sure he liked hanging out with him. I'm sure he's a cool fascinating dude. Seemed chill as fuck. Seemed cool. This podcast is brought to you by DraftKings. You better crack that AC because things are heating up at DraftKings Casino. The excitement is endless, the vibes are right, and the cash prizes could be huge. Play hundreds

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He's cool. It's real cool. And he, you know, he was very honest too. You know, he had like this, he didn't seem too much like he was hiding much about who he was. I mean, even to the point where he was like frustrated with Hollywood and getting kicked off the Iron Man movie, he was like talking about wiping the planet out. And even though that's kind of a silly thought, it's like, Hey, we all get fucking pretty mad at times, right? You can have these like little thoughts for a minute, like, ah, I could burn the place down.

It's like to talk about that too. He didn't come on trying to pretend he was some perfect guru. He's like, yeah, I get pissed off like anyone else. We all think like a teenager sometimes. 100%, man, 100%. Why did he get kicked off? I don't even know anything about that.

Yeah, I mean, he kind of went into it. And I remember hearing some stories back in the day, like he was asking for too much money. And basically they were like, wow, this is, you're not that big of a part in this movie. And I guess Robert Downey just kind of, you know, went quiet on him and let the dust settle before he reconnected, which kind of hurt Terrence's feelings.

You know, it was probably a rough one because if you think about it, that movie went on to make the sequel, the third, and you know, the many of the what was it the Avengers ones and there would have been plenty of spots for Terrence in that which would have added up to tens of millions so yeah that's reasonable that he was a bit pissed off about that which makes sense but you know he was making other movies it's not like he's blacklisted from Hollywood. He's a good actor. He's good in movies.

Yeah. I like him a lot more than Don Cheadle for that role. Oh yeah, he was way better. Don Cheadle is still pretty good, but I can't get over how bad his English accent was in Ocean's Eleven. He was- It colors all his work for you it was not good not

good but he's he makes a good he's all I'm English and you're like come on Chavvy yeah it was way too much way too much I can do it was he in rush hour 2 as it as a Chinese kung fu artist? He was running an illegal gambling operation? Oh yeah, he was. Yeah. I mean, he's good. He's funny.

He's a decent actor. But yeah, he did, I think Terrence, it was just different. I think he added something else. He was really good. I watched Iron Man 1 recently and I watched it because you know, it really was like the first of all those Marvel movies that just like took off. And if you watch it, a lot of it was, it's really good, right? I mean, the technology, that suit and just kind of the story of how we put it together. The actual plot is kind of dumb though,

because you've got, what's his name? Jeff, who's the bad guy in that? Bridges? Yes. So he's the bad guy and he immediately knew how to use his giant robot suit without even practicing it. And there was a big fight and I don't know. It was like that bit of it was weak. But it's a really good story. And it's just such like it's so good when he's like flying against the fighter pilots and they no one knows what the what it is. And he's like on the phone to Tony Stark.

He's just like, yep, one of your planes just hit me. It's me. Don't shoot me. And he's like, what dude? Yeah, there's so many good elements in that. So many good elements. I like to see him in more stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's good.

Well, before we get into the bit with the bubbles, um, I wanted to talk about a couple of elements that I noticed when I was like trying to, and maybe it was unfair that I was like trying to scour it so much for like where he could be nuts, but I couldn't help it. Um, but I'm like looking for like, yeah, I'm just trying to look for that. Right. And it was like, I don't know. One part stood out to me and it might just be because of people that I've known that have talked about this type of stuff, but he stopped to take his like medication that removes heavy metals and parasites. And I don't know if you guys out there have ever had friends or people you've known that are like, oh, you gotta remove all your parasites and look heavy metals are real.

They're real, they get in your body, you know, you can, they do build up. Rogan's talked about it. I think he had a build up of arsenic from eating sardines. Obviously you can get mercury from a lot of fish. And you know, there are things like cilantro, a lot of leafy greens. I think even certain types of carbon drinks will remove heavy metals. My ex roommate was a fireman. And after they would go into houses that have been burnt down

and they've taken on all those toxins They would give them a drink that is like basically black Like a black. Yeah, it was like an activated charcoal and it was like supposed to detoxify him I mean, they're not hippies, right? Like they're fucking firemen and they're trying to keep these guys alive Like so that there is some reality there and they're trying to keep these guys alive. So there is some reality there. But you know, the parasite thing is,

it gets a bit out there and you know, that was just one of those ones I'm like, all right, let's see, see what else. I do often wonder if I have parasites. What makes me do the things I do? It's the little critters in my body potentially. Oh, dude, you got toxoplasmosis for sure. All right, you've been handling that cat feces too long, bro.

Got to keep your hand out of the box. I do have a lot of kiddies, if you know what I mean. Oh, that's me. So, yeah, I don't know that stood out. But then let's get to like the the meat of a lot of what he was talking about the these simulations he had with the bubbles and then the negative space between them and what that means and then Which I did not understand. I don't like have any idea. I'm like, okay

I got my eyes went cross-eyed trying to follow him Yeah, and I think he was explaining a while. I'm just not smart enough to like get it. I don't know enough about physics and I just couldn't make sense of it. And I'm like, oh, okay. But you know, if I was like watching a documentary that was like, oh, real quick, this is what, you know, string theory is,

and this is the thing about bubbles. You know, I would sit there with my potato chips late in the evening being like, oh yeah, of course it's bubbles. And yeah, I get Russian crumbs off your stomach. Yeah. Just try trying to pretend I make sense of it so I can talk to somebody about it the next day. I mean, it was super intriguing. And I wonder if anybody listening might know a bit more about what he's up to. I hope so email us, like an enlightened us. If you know, you know, if you think he's up to. Yeah, I hope so. Email us. If you know, you know, if you think he's out of his mind, let us know. And if you're like, Hey, he might have something, even if you have like a percentage, if you're like, 70 30, I'll take it. Email us that. I want to know. In fact, let's do that. Let's do a poll. Just, just get on, on, on our email.

Let me know if you think yay or nay. I'll put them all together. We're announcing a couple of weeks. We'll see what people think. Like could you have an Instagram thing or not? People can DM. Oh yeah. I should do a, I'll do a thing on that. That'd be easier. Yeah. Don't bother emailing me cause I'm not gonna, then I have to do a lot of emails. That'd be a nightmare. What is your what is your Instagram? Do you have one?

Joe Rogan experience review probably I don't even know what it's called. Honestly, we're bad at this. Yeah, we're not great with Socials, but you could find it. Look us up. You'll find it. It's the, it's a logo that looks like ours. I probably, and anyway, um, we need help here. Always, always. So, okay. So we've got the bubbles. Um, he's got the rebuild in the periodic table gravity. Let's hit that up. He doesn't believe it's real. No, no, he's not. Yeah, he's not saying the gravity or what we call gravity doesn't exist because he understands that we are stuck to the planet.

I don't think he was saying that. I think he was saying that it's all the same force. That there's not all these different forces, right? So there are a bunch of, there's magnetism, there's the electrical force. I think then I don't know if they're the same. I think mag, the magnetic force is different than the electrical force. Then there is gravity, which is of all the forces, like way weaker. That's yeah, that's why a magnet will pick a Pin up, you know

Our Earth's magnetic field and pick something off the ground and hold it forever Yeah, it's like all of the mass of the earth Has a gravity yet a tiny magnet can like is stronger than it for a piece of metal, right? magnet can like is stronger than it for a piece of metal. Right. Our electromagnetic field is caused by the spinning of our molten core, a ferrous molten core causing a magnetic field. And that is why we have a magnetic field. The gravity is from the mass of our Earth.

Yeah, the gravity shouldn't like I think in the way that we understand things traditionally, the electromagnetic force has nothing to do with the gravity. That's different. So like the moon has gravity, doesn't have its own electromagnetic thing going on. So spinning molten core. Yeah we have gravitational force, electromagnetic force, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force. These are the forces. All right. Which one is the Star Trek force? Midichlorians? That's I think Star Wars. Did I say Star Trek? I'm in it now. I've done it dude. The nerds are gonna fucking Hang you Get it together talks. Don't do talks me, please

So yeah, so I think what he was basically saying is that it's there's just one force and it's all electricity It's you should write a little electrical stuff and I probably would be into reading it. Yeah, but I mean, will we make any more sense of it than than the podcast? I mean, I really think that, you know, Rogan should have him back on with somebody where they can discuss it. And I think that probably the only reason he won't is if it became very clear to Rogan that Terrence really doesn't have anything here, because then it might make him look like a bit of a fool, right? Terrence, yeah. Potentially.

And you know, I don't think Rogan would want to do that to him. Like a bit of a fool, right? Parents, yeah. Potentially. And you know, I don't think Rogan would want to do that to him. But. It has to be verifiable. It has to be able to be disproved or proved. And I like that he has those patents out there because eventually they'll be useless or useful.

Right. And if they're useful, I mean, one he showed all these other companies were like Using it for something. I mean, I don't know what that meant either It's like what they use it is it is I I got a strong vibe of Santa Monica Bolt or Ventura Beach Boulevard, or what is that called? The bike path, perhaps. Yeah. Yeah. The guy that corners you and talks for an hour,

and you're like, what kind of interesting drugs are you on? I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, there was a bit of that. There was a bit of that, yeah. But I'm not totally, but he was so put together that I don't know, I just had I was not told, but he was so put together that I don't know. I just had no, you know, inroads for disproving or proving that with my current knowledge. Well, the absolute certain energy that he had was was confusing because he was so certain that we, you know, and I don't mean we as in you and I, but

like modern scientists have got it completely wrong. And also the one statement that stood out that is hard to reckon with is he he said no government in the world has the like knowledge and technology that I could produce You know you think that you would think that like he'd be like, oh, yeah There's like there's a huge group of us out there that understand this but it's not really like in the mainstream yet And we're trying to get it in universities. It wasn't really that talk it was just like I have it no one else does and And and and my the gist of it for me

Which was odd for real. I'm not disparaging him. It was he learned it in utero. He learned it before he was born Well, yeah, yeah that part there was something else though, you know, I have heard other people not personally, but I've heard people like say that they have memories of of being in the womb and these kind of things, but how would you know if that was just Not a dream.. Yeah, something. That's my thing as well. We can all, each one of us has these dreams

that are so real to us. They're part of our formative memories. Yeah, and look, I think it's completely reasonable to listen to a thing and then, you know, if it's way out there, you're allowed to be critical If it's way out there, it's you're you're allowed to be critical or at least look for things that don't add up. Right. It would be like if someone came on like Bob Lazar. And I think probably more than likely he was he's spot on. I believe what he's saying, yet it's still really worth kind of cross examining in it because it's like, you know, many other people have stories similar to Bob Lazar's or like at least UFO abduction stories and, and, you know, sometimes they do have schizophrenia.

So you're like, let's see. I think it was it was mentioned in the next guest. But Joe was saying, how could you know, if he's lying, it's a great lie. He says it every time the same. But that's how cops know that people are lying in the interrogation rooms is if they have the same story over and over the same exact way. So yeah, which is kind of bullshit, really because also, if you go in and your story keeps changing, that's when the cops jump all over you. And that's kind of what they look for. So yeah, yeah. And you have to have irrefutable truths within your statement that they can prove or deny. Right. We need we and we didn't really get that with Terrence.

And that's probably why Degrassi-Tyson didn't hit him back up, because some of this stuff is just far out there that there might not be any tools to measure this stuff. Yeah, and he's also an astrophysicist. So he knows physics. He's smart, so he knows some things, but I mean, he's mostly studying the planets. I don't know who you'd need to get in front of him. And I think that's where the

conversation would be good. If Rogan got him back on, brought an open minded scientist that was like, Hey, yeah, I actually am kind of into the one guy that developed the type of periodic table that mostly works with frequencies, and I'm curious to kind of see if there's some alignment with some of your theories. That would be fascinating. I mean... I think that's where we're going to see some of this stuff flesh out. And we'll follow this, but it's peer reviewed. Peer reviewed, definitely.

Yeah, we'll keep an eye on this and I hope he gets back on for sure. So let's jump over to the other guest, Rizwan Virk. Okay. So one thing to say, I mean, he's a well-respected professor and computer scientist, like huge accolades behind his name. Lots of money. Been around forever, written lots and lots of books, really well spoken, good at getting his message across. And again, if you think about it, even though it's interesting, it's like he's using all the same paradigms that we use today. He's not saying, hey, science is all wrong and UFOs exist and all these different things, but he believes in UFOs, he studies it, which is fringe.

And he's also saying, hey, the way that everyone thinks existence is might not be true. And he's 70% sure that it's a simulation, which if you think about it is a really wacky thing to be very kind of like forward. So sure of. I mean, I also, he's throwing out, he's also throwing out 70%, which does buy him a bit of space to kind of, you know, he's not coming in as like, it to kind of, you know, he's not coming in as like, it's absolutely this, you know, but he sees a lot of parallels from like how

games are made and how these AIs function and what we could be and it's a really fun thought experiment to kind of play with. I think Elon is on, on team simulation too. I think he thinks that it's definitely a rich man's postulation. You know, it is not a son of it's not someone who's working in India in a, uh, Ax axle factory. It's definitely a guy who's got some, well, he's got,

he won the simulation game. If he, for all the simulation, he's winning. It's kind of a, it's a rich man's postulation, meaning like we don't have the luxury of hoping that it's a simulation. We can all just run it again and hopefully when that's a really good point that you make, I wonder if it's a much more palatable theory to have if your life has been very fortunate and it's just ultimately pretty dope like you are a character you would have picked if it was a game because if you're just like a grunt in a factory in a sweatshop and you know you're just struggling through life. And it's like to think that like this was part of the simulation.

You just get to be that character. I mean, not very inspiring. Right. I mean, it's kind of a deflating you or even it could maybe even. If we're all reincarnated or we get to run it again, it might be a way to just opt out and just say, you know, I'll do it better go next time. Yeah, but also saying that I'm as open to it as anything else. I mean, I really am. And it's not like my life is so dope that I'm just like, you know, oh, this must be

a video game because I'm just crushing, you know, oh, this must be a video game because I'm just crushing every level. Like I live a normal life. It's just no, is that why you've crashed all those cars though? That was drugs, Pete. You picked the wrong avatar. Didn't you? Yeah. He had a lot of cool stuff that he was saying that kind of inspired me actually to, um, commit violent crimes. Yeah.

No, no, sorry. Sorry. I thought, Oh, Oh, no, no. To like, uh, take a little agency, be a little less serious. Maybe, um, if we're all, if we run it new each day, then each day has a new set of choices that can better my simulation. And in fact, that just kind of aligns with like a, you know, worshipping a celestial God. Maybe that, are we in God simulation?

Is the person who switches the power on God then? And we are just like a one? Or are we an NPC or are we a first person? Would it be required either way to worship the thing? So something makes the simulation. Is it part of the requirement of the simulator maker that they get worshipped? I don't know if it would be. Because if it is a simulation, they're running it to learn something. Why else run them?

So it's like, you just do your thing, little ant farm people, and I observe it and I learn what I need to and you know it's just like okay we're in one. I would love if we got to run it over and over life has been far more beneficial life is fun regardless of the fact that there's really bad times. Yeah, it's worth it. So this game is worth it. Yeah, it definitely has to better to exist than not exist. Green, I agree. Yeah, I think is not existing is like, all right, it sounds like a peaceful break, but you didn't get to do it.

You didn't get anything. You don't get ups and downs, highs and lows. I mean, it's just a roller licorice or strip clubs or anything. You don't get ups and downs, highs and lows. I mean, it's just a roller licorice or strip clubs or anything. Right. Exactly. And, you know, and one element that he did say, even with this sickness is I think he created a really like powerful, positive meaning from it, which is, which is ultimately what religion was doing for us anyway, and people that aren't religious now that do very well kind of mentally, is that they can

make sense of what's happening in terms of like when a bad thing happens or a struggle comes, you know, the winners quote unquote, often will make a positive sense of it, to whatever degree they can. Like, maybe it's not always like happy, but they're like, oh, this had value, I could learn something from this, I don't need to be resentful, I don't need to hate existence and the universe for this, and I can grow and become a new thing because of this experience, even though it was difficult and challenging. And he really highlighted that for me in this podcast.

I was like, oh, yes, simulations might be, it might give new meaning to these challenges when they arrive. Like imagine how much better we would all tackle challenges and difficult moments in life if we saw them as like this great opportunity for growth. It's so much harder to see that in the moment. Sometimes it's impossible, but if- And many, yes. the moment is sometimes it's impossible.

But if, and many, yes. No, I just mean if there was like that kind of like trained routine in your brain to where you're like, Oh, everything was running smooth and now shit, the dog's sick or like something's happened and you've got, you know, these bills or your car broke down or you just lost your job, but somehow you've trained yourself to be like, no, no, these are actually the bits I live for. This is great. Let's see what this becomes. Let's see what this turns into.

Let's stay positive. Let's put our head down. Let's kind of work right through this and not lose ourselves and see what develops. I definitely was lightened up when I listened to all this. And what about his, the Mandela effect of remembering things that aren't correct? Yeah, those were so good.

There are a few of them and they mentioned most of the ones I'd ever heard of. Obviously he's looked into it all the way down to the fruit of the loom logo. That I don't know if they mentioned that one, but it like has changed over time. And even the company itself, uh, denied that the original logo was the way that it was, even though people remembered it and they have like images of it. I think it's fruit of the loom. Fruit of the fruit loops. No, no, it's clothing, dude. Don't fuck up my podcast.

All right. Sorry. Get off loops. I thought it was about fruit loops. Yeah, the Simbab one I'd heard of too. The Barron Stern Bears versus the Barron Steen. Because I had always remembered the Barron Steen Bears. I had all the books. I wish I could look at the books. Get them. I'm not sure.

Well, they'd all be different, wouldn't they? That's true. They're all part of the new run. Yeah. And what was he saying about that? It's like this kind of like faulty memory might be like a memory of a different parallel. Previous run for the simulation. Okay. Yeah.

Where it was like a little bit different. He went out there and overall, I kind of, all this stuff ties right into religion for me, in a way. Like, he's just putting a new label on what we've always been doing, which is trying to make sense of our universe and our reality through thinking and trying to get into the head of God or make sense of our menial existence and that's what reincarnation is. I was thinking about reincarnation the whole time he was talking. Yeah, I was thinking about that a lot too.

The Hindu reincarnation, the cycle of suffering and rebirth. Yeah. Until you reach Nirvana and it's like, stop being a selfish piece of shit is really the message. Why don't point at me when you say that? It was a rhetorical point. Oh, I see. You allowed to say that? Yeah, you're allowed to say that. Yeah. Well, and another fascinating part was really when he was like, okay, so we get to the point where we can make one simulation, okay? And then once we do that, very quickly, we make two, and then we make three. And within a year,

we have a thousand or a hundred thousand or who knows how many computers running simulations and each one has an entire universe in. So now technically there are thousands of universes. Why would then ours be the only one that isn't a simulation. It's like, if you're just talking statistics at that point, it's like, huh. The weird thing about that though, which reminds me of that movie. I don't know if you remember it. I think it's called like 13th floor. It was a good movie. It was about a society that made a simulation, but then within the simulation, the simulation itself

made a simulation and it was the first time that it ever happened. So they were like exploring it. They were like in going through both levels of the simulation and people in the simulations were figuring out that it was a simulation. It's a cool movie. If you guys haven't seen it, go watch it. But it's like, how weird is that? That if something out there is making simulations

and we're part of one, and now we can make our own one, it's like, where does that fucking rabbit hole go? Like talk about fractals then. It's like, what is a million levels of simulation look like? What do you even get to at the bottom? It's like, is that where the answer of existence is? My mind almost can't wrap around it. I keep thinking about who runs it,

and I keep thinking about what am I really then? What am I really then what am I really like am I I cut I get cut and I bleed if I get cut too badly I die that's real for me it's real enough for me that I might not even have any time for this yeah but I mean, experiment this whole but like within a simulation, what does death mean? Right? We don't know where everyone what happens to anyone they die. There's no way we can ever figure it out. We've come up with some religions that have some ideas that people believe in. But it's like, maybe their consciousness doesn't stop and it goes to something else. A new simulation, maybe they're reborn into some other simulation with a mostly blanked memory,

some residual stuff, you know, some personality traits that they develop in the same way, but they don't remember much of it. It's, it's, I don't know. It's wild, dude. It's wild stuff. But he's, he's, he's definitely worth a listen. And maybe even, I think he even talked about it about his real call to the simulation would be writing a book and he's written a book, hasn't he? Oh yeah. He has like five books. I was looking at him. So he has two on simulation. I guess he didn't get it all out in the first one.

I don't know if I wanna start reading simulation books though, like right now. I'm working on my level one. I do like how he was saying when people look at UFOs and one person doesn't see it and one person does and he likens it to being in you know leveling up in a game where you have earned the ability to look at this and see it so maybe I did like that I did like that that kind of I could kind of grasp that bit of it. Like as we go through this, we do level up.

I mean, that kind of makes sense if you think about concepts, you know, or intelligence. I mean, there are plenty of people that can't grasp certain concepts. I can't grasp a bunch of concepts that I know smarter people that can. And they can kind of dumb it down to me and like give me, you know, a bit of a story. But it, you know, sometimes when I'm talking to a really smart person, that's like giving me a bit of a breakdown on like quantum physics or something, and they understand it, they, I feel like they've created like the nursery rhyme version, I feel like they've created like the nursery rhyme version, or it's like them trying to tell me what Christmas is and they use Santa just so it like fills in the magic.

I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, I think I got it. But they're like, this guy, he's not leveled up enough. It's nice that he's asking the questions, but he ain't gonna get this. On that note, they can get some stuff that you've mastered. Oh, don't get me wrong. Yeah, I'm not trying to say

I'm the dumbest person in the world. Like I do have conversations with people too. And it's hard to get the point across when you're trying to explain something you just like I could try yeah you just like drawing a picture for him and you're like you see kind of this and like all right all right let's try something else and then those are this is a jump a pool ball yeah it's harder. Yeah, it's harder than it looks. It's harder than it looks.

Right through the window. Yeah, I don't know. Let's talk about the Nelson Mandela dying in prison thing. Is there anything that that like you can think of in your lifetime that you remembered being away and then maybe like your parents or your family told you was different and you just assure that that you remembered it in this particular way. I find this happens with my mom sometimes.

We talk about these houses that I remember we had when I was growing up and I was like sure that it was like set up in this way and I'm like no mom. There was this room on this end, but I was like four years old so Right, I don't trust my memory as well as hers But the way she describes it is so different than how I remembered it and I'm like I fucking so different than how I remembered it. And I'm like, I fucking swear to God, I walked down that hallway and there was like, that's where the bathroom was. And then there was this window and I could see this one tree out of it.

And she was like, that was on the other side of the house. And that wasn't right. And sometimes I'm like, Mom, you've been drinking. Well, that maybe she has. But also they did talk about that, and you know, what do they call it, like wrong recollection or or false recollection? Mm-hmm. But I can't, that's, and I can, and that's how I would explain most of this stuff, but I have had a lot of conversations with a good friend of mine who remembers everything to detail detail and there's certain times

when I'm 100% positive of a detail. And he's like, it didn't happen like that. Does this person have a photographic memory? Yes, essentially remembers details like crazy, Aspergeries, you know, I'm talking about Zach. Oh yeah, yeah, good old Zach. Oh, yeah. Good old Zach. Oh, good friend. Yeah. Does Zach has Zach has a great memory?

Yeah, he's a very smart, detailed guy. I generally trust him for every recollection that we lean on. And there are some things that I'm 100 percent sure of that he's like, no, not for me. That's you're wrong. There's another one that I can remember. My family. This is a hundred years ago, had a house in

Fort Collins, Colorado, and they and the and the address is in our family memory. It's we talk about all the time at all the family gatherings, this huge house. That that's the wrong address now.

It's this whole address we've been saying for years, it has been wrong by off by nine. No shit. So I'm kinda like, well this shit might be real. I mean it's it can't disprove it. The human mind is fallible but yet we have to trust our mind. But it's almost like a group psychosis. That's the bit that's interesting. Like the large groups will remember something

in the same way and be sure about it. Like how would that have changed? I mean, you know. It's mind boggling. Yeah, that's what's really interesting about it. But again, I don't. The whole thing is interesting. I don't really know the significance

of making that point. Does that make it more simulation-y? Does it connect it to multiverse thinking? I mean, he said that that helps with a lot of the math, but it doesn't really, it's only because there's like a missing bit there. You know, how would things change for you? If we found out it was a simulation? Like what, what would change for you? for you? Well, my actions can, I can only influence my life by my actions and my decisions, so I would hope that I would, I hope that I'd keep on the same course,

maybe try to proselytize this, like get more, get it out there. This can, this can, like, why would we have any wars then? You know, why would we have anybody trying to get all the money? Right. It's like we can't take it with us next simulation or can we just maybe spread it around a little bit? Yeah. Maybe we can be peaceful, maybe a peaceful run of this time. Maybe we can all have no fights this time. Yeah. In a simulation, I guess, survival, the fittest. Maybe you could do like adjust that definition.

I think it would have to come with with some goals too, because they say, oh, yeah, by the way, this is just a simulation. I'm like, well, it's going to carry on exactly the same way. No one's going to change a fucking thing. But if somebody, if the message was, this is a simulation and it is designed so each individual, regardless of the strife and troubles and difficulties that you face, learns something that's valuable to you on your journey that happens to be infinite, that would be a great message, right? So even if you, you know, like,

change everything. Poor kids that are born with cancer and only live a few years and they die, you would think, well, how, what, what did that help them with? But you don't know what their next simulation will be. Maybe they get a whole life. And maybe now that they're incredibly strong and resilient and have learned so much from

it and they get to really benefit an entire civilization of, of another simulation, you know? Maybe it's things like, something like that would be, would make the difficult things in this life just be seen so differently, I think. Let's keep on with our bright life and treat people all right. Yeah, maybe maybe we just decide that's maybe we just decide that's what's going on. And and then we we create a more positive meaning out of it. It seems like this guy has done that.

I think that's why I liked about it. Rizwan did that. He has like a really kind of positive, hopeful outlook within the simulation theory. And that is, that is cool to me. I'm into it. It left me on a high note when I was listening to that today. Yeah.

After I listened to this pod, I would give it a five out of five. Yeah, I liked it. I liked it a lot. Anyway, that's it for this week. We enjoyed it. Um, I hope you guys did too. And we'd like to hear from you about the Terrence thing. I'm going to put something up on Instagram. Um, and, and I want some feedback. Let me know what you thought of the Terrence podcast.

We'll do a little bit of a poll and see what's going on. Thank you Pete, as always pleasure and we will talk to everybody next week. Pleasure's all mine. Thanks guys. Thank you Adam.