Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 390 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Max Lugavere Et al.

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne. Might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. What's up, ladies and gentlemen? Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

I'm Adam. Joined as always is with me is Pete. How are you, Pete? I'm doing well, Adam. How are you? Oh, I'm good, buddy. I'm good. This is the first podcast coming from Arkansas. Wow. Arkansas. Yep I am just traveling what's going on traveling and in Arkansas you're just visiting all the places of the old south aren't you I should should just find the best ones to live in just

moving around we'll see it's not a lot going on in this town be honest living by water is it making you want to get into boating more? Any fishing in your future? Oh yeah, I think fishing. Fishing sounds great. You know? Like, but I'd want to eat them. I'm not going to be like one of those catch and release fishermen.

I just am not interested in that. You like ladies. Do what? I hear you're like ladies. You're never mind. That was a I don't get it Can't to release fit. Never mind. All right But yeah, if you can if the lakes around here, I'm sure you can catch fish and and they're eating like what? What would there be like catfish? What do you think Arkansas has? It's right on the Mississippi,

so like it has little bodies of water and big rivers quite all over the place. So you can find some of the biggest fish in North America there. No way. What kind of fish bass? You've got, you've got, I think the paddle fish, which is an ancient species with a big long nose. Okay. Those are in Arkansas.

I think gar are up there, alligator gar, which can reach like seven to nine feet in the old days. Oh wow. Can you, I mean, are they like tasty? I would imagine that they would be tasty. I wouldn't want to eat a fish that's 80 years old because all those poisons build up. Yeah. So to eat like, you know, the ones that are like no longer than your forearm Yeah, that's all I would need just regular, you know little cod size Get in there. So they caught cod get huge in the ocean. But I do like catfish. So I do like catfish. I'm coming up there. We're doing something

I could I could get into it and it's nice and peaceful and you're kind of out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's a good way to just Um really absorb your podcast. I'll tell you that much like my podcast Um retention this week. It was way higher because it's just You know House way out there in the woods and you got, what else do you have distracting you? Just a newborn, I guess, and a wife, but other than that. Mm-hmm, yeah, plenty of time, get focused, it's great. All right. I'm almost jealous.

Who we got on this week? We got Max Lugavere, Max, he's good, he's been on before, I like that guy, made a new documentary, little empty boxes. Um, I wanted to watch it. I bought the rental and then we got busy and I didn't get around to it. So it's kind of, yeah, well, it's not great when you review the fucking podcast that the guy was on. But anyway, that's the truth and the reality. Yeah,

well we had the in-laws here so I didn't get around to it. But I mean at the end of the day we're here to review the episode, not the extra bits, but I think it would have been useful to watch it and get an understanding of kind of really what was going on. So his mom had kind of dementia, right? Right. And? She was noticing all kinds of cognitive changes in herself. She's like, I need some help.

They're kind of poking fun at her a little bit, you know, lighthearted family stuff. And then they asked her what year it was and she could not remember what year it was. And that's sad. And then she was crying in the kitchen and, you know, that's he realized he had to change his trajectory. He wanted to fix this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's scary stuff. I, you know, I don't think that you can appreciate it until, you know, somebody that's gone through, you know, until you know somebody that's gone through, you know, kind of the whole dementia thing.

It just sounds so brutal. And I can't imagine what it feels like for the person going through it. I mean, it must be so scary. You are like literally losing your mind. Your mind is, like you said, literally, like it is melting. Right, yeah.

And on the light note, it seems like it's not, it's preventable, seems preventable. Yeah, you don't wanna wait till you get diagnosed though. So let's, and what's interesting about it is the, I kind of expected Max to get to a point where he was like, what you gotta do is tons of magnesium, or like there's the thing that you do.

And it wasn't really like that at all. It's like across the board, general health things, in a way. It's like what is preventative here is exercise, be healthy, like physically move, don't eat processed food, have a somewhat balanced diet. He wasn't like pro carnival, but he wasn't against it. And there was talk of some fiber,

that's good for your gut biome. Keep it moving down there. Exactly. And yeah, just kind of like well-rounded overall lifestyle. And since this is the one way that you'll die if you manage to dodge and weave all the other ways, like heart disease and cancer, which at least with cancers, I, it sounds like they're gonna, I mean, I would imagine they'd be at a cure most cancers within our lifetime using AI and

other shit like that. They're just gonna figure that out, I believe. But yeah, with dementia, we're lost with it. We don't know what's causing this. We're a long way away. And wasn't he saying that kind of a big part of his documentary was that it was like the fraudulent research? So they came out with that paper in like 2010 or something that was supposedly looking at the type of plaque in the brain and this is what causes the

dementia and this is how this happens but it ended up all being bullshit. Photoshopped brain images and just wholesale lies. That's unreal. Should go to jail for that. They should go to jail for that. I mean, really, that should be fraud like. Go on. I believe that they should definitely have some repercussions, but the men and women in power

of any of these institutions, they don't have any, they're not accountable, it seems like. He mentioned that we thought it was the plaque, and then they were able to lower the plaque content in brains through medication and did nothing to help dementia patients. And I think he, I don't want to get too far into it if we're not there yet, but it's the potentially type 3 diabetes it is the inability to Make was an insulin it becomes insulin resistant and you're not able to process ATP In the cells of your brain. Yeah, that's what we need for our bodies to run. Mm-hmm Yeah, so I don't I don't really know if this whole like type 3 diabetes thing, you know, which is kind of like the recent term that they've been calling dementia, whatever, does it mean that

through our whole lives we need to be really cognizant of sugar and blah blah blah. I don't, I don't really know if it works like that. And I also don't know if it means that is sugar causing it all. Right? And I also don't know if it means that is sugar causing at all. Right. We know sugar is definitely not great for us, but you know, young people can have sugar. And that might be the worst time to have it when you're young because of your brain imprints. It's like essentially a cocaine level brain activity occurs when you're eating sugar. Oh, it's true.

Your brain just like sugar is the is the actual gateway drug man, I Would wreck I'd say it is It's like man. I believe I used to this I work I wouldn't had that beer in that cocaine today if I didn't start with a doughnut. I Had smacked the doughnut out of your hand and take half that bag I'd smack the doughnut out of your hand and take half that bag Kill yourself, let's talk all night. Did you remember when you were a kid like and young? You know, I think like even before 10

How excited you'd get when you get to go down the store and just buy a bunch of candy? Like it was really everything that we wanted to do for many years. Only thing I wanted to do. Until we figured out what boobs were. Oh my goodness. Then we went like, all right candy. I can't believe that kids are just pouring sugar

on their cereals and then going to school and they expect them to perform and not fidget and sit still, not sugar crash. Yeah. That was my whole school existence. Oh, for sure. expect them to perform and not fidget and sit still, not sugar crash. Mm hmm. Yeah, that was my whole school existence. Oh, for sure. I used to love pouring sugar on my cereal. I do like three tablespoons.

Unlike some corn flakes. Yeah, it's just the sugary milk you can possibly imagine. And I was addicted, But at the same time, you know, I have a new daughter now, she's five months old. And as much as I want to educate her on these are the best ways to eat, it's like, you know, I also don't want to be a huge nerd about it because she's just gonna be like, can I have a fricking ice cream already?

And I'm like, yes, but you can't have six a week. Okay, so that's the difference. And I mean, the battle there will just be, will be a lot. I think the best you can do is just like introduce really good alternatives, like freeze dried fruits and still have some like fun snacks that are delicious. Like they can occasionally, you go to a movie, you can have some Skittles, right? Go ahead, live a little. Why not? little bit of it, otherwise it might make them completely spring back the other way. And then they just like go work at Dunkin Donuts.

Just every morning before school, getting a, a sugariest Starbucks you could ever imagine a big gulp with a whipped cream on the top. Let's not push our neuroses onto the child just yet. Exactly. But just let them know and also don't freak him out too, right? I mean, it probably gives them a complex when parents are like, sugar's the devil. And you're just like, well, it's pretty tasty though. And it's kind of all I think about. So am I bad? I just be like, yeah, just watch out for it and

We don't have a little even juice even even so, you know orange juice and apple juice for kids Dude, so much sugar teeth is as fast as anything and it happened to my sister's children Really? They would a lot of juice in the first two kids and they have you know, every every other tooth is silver capped now did they slow down on the last kids? Yes. They're like, no more juice for you. Not no more, but they were just like, this is a problem. And it's costing us money in teeth dentistry.

Yeah. Just eat some to pieces. Unreal. Yep. Yeah, just eat some to pieces Unreal Yep Well, and you know, but these lessons are important and and we're always learning at each generation has more information than the last when it comes to Getting good kind of nutritional getting good kind of nutritional knowledge into people.

It's like, okay, you know, we just recently like, yeah, Carnival and now Keto and then this one and veganism was big for a minute. But then they were like, we don't know about this. It's like, guys, it's twenty twenty four. Shouldn't we have like a real fucking clear outline? I mean, it wasn't even that long ago that they just, you know, really made a big point about how stupid the food pyramid was. It was like, you got to eat all your grains. We've got to keep the farmers alive.

Need those grains. Yeah. I guess that brings to the point where we need institutions to stop lying to us for money. Yeah, good luck finding that. Training people that work in the food industry to lie for them, brainwash them into lying for everybody. There is that whole, there is no bad foods thing that's pretty big in the in the medical industry but there are bad foods ultra processed foods foods that have been covered in pollutants from from the farmers put it on there to kill the bugs yeah grow at an exorbitant rate rise Right. I mean, you know, there's been, there's been that kind of argument

online for a minute about certain vegetables and you know, the really dark leafy green ones, which they were the ones for a while saying, oh, kale and this, these are the best ones and they have all the nutrition, but then there's talk about oxalates. They have this compound, this oxalate compound that kind of can inflame your gut and cause some issues there. So it's like, maybe we should do less of it. You know, and the idea is, or the theory is that these plants don't want you to

eat them, so they make these compounds, which Joe was saying he doesn't really buy it. I don't really buy that either. I mean, they do make compounds to stop things eating them, but does it make them therefore unhealthy? Probably not. However- And some of those are good.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, kale definitely is, got a lot of nutrients in. Okay, maybe it does have this oxalate thing and maybe that really does irritate some people, but overall kale is probably good to have in your diet, right? But what really makes me far more keen on things like the carnivore diet is that, again, it's all those pesticides and herbicides and whatever else they put on things. And you know, and even if it's organic, it doesn't always guarantee it.

I mean, Exactly. An organic crop can be grown right next to a road. It can be grown right next to a field that it's not organic and there's tons of overspray. Right. And then often the waterways are already polluted. And look, don't get me wrong, you're

much better off with an organic piece of vegetable. But a lot of times you can't always get it, too. Right where we are in this little town in Arkansas, there's not a bunch of organic produce. Now there are some farmers markets, and it's local farm stuff, but it doesn't have the organic stamp on. So they're using something that doesn't quite qualify them. So, you know, in some ways to me, I'm just like, yeah, okay.

Then if meat is available, give me a steak, give me some eggs. And I'll throw in the vegetables and fruit occasionally when I get the good versions of it, right? But it's not like I need to do it all the time. That, I'm just throwing it out there, it's like that makes sense to me. That does make sense. That also is pretty common sense and probably not hard to do.

Cause we have to balance our lives with our availability of things to eat. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And the tricky thing is, I mean, again, with busy lifestyles and things, like you're really hard pressed to eat out a lot, you know, or even close to often and eat well and guarantee it. I mean, but most places do serve steak. You know, they have at least one crappy steak, even if it's a dumpy restaurant, they got one crappy steak on their menu.

You can just be like, I'll get that. Give me that steak. And also that that industry is regulated and pretty, pretty heavily regulated. So I don't know how many lies are coming out of the big beef industry. You know, Yeah. Well they have to be careful because you can, you know, they, they don't want to mag cow issue happening here. Um, they're pretty strict on, on when, you know, it doesn't mean that we're treating

the cows well and it doesn't mean that we're not putting plenty of hormones and antibiotics in them. But, you know, the meat isn't going to make you sick in the same way. We'll build up in those soft parts of our body, brain. Yeah, that would be an interesting question too, is like how much of those hormones and antibiotics make it into the meat? Because it does have its liver that's filtering that stuff out. And they have half lives, I would imagine, those compounds. Yeah. But either way, those compounds are medical, right? Hormones and antibiotics.

They're not designed to, I mean, I guess antibiotics are designed to kill bacteria, but they're definitely not designed to harm the creature that's taking them. And whereas herbicides, I mean, they only don't kill everything because they're just not in a high enough concentration. They, yeah, and then you hope that they get enough time for those chemicals to dissipate and before they're harvested and dried. So it's kind of like it's a guessing game as to when it's the healthiest to eat these things. I guess

getting a grass-fed steak that's grass-finished you're gonna have a lot less chance of antibiotics being in that meat because they don't need antibiotics unless they're in great quantities unless they're corn finished because that's that really just creates all kinds of problems for these cows Their stomachs start melting So they have to pump them full of antibiotics when they're doing that finishing. Oh really? So when they finish they just give them as much corn as possible and that really makes them pretty sick Yeah, so the finishing process is a cow lives

sick. Yeah. So the finishing process is a cow lives two years on a pasture generally, and then they're shipped to stockyards pre-slaughter and they're kept there for, I forget how long it is, maybe three months and where they just feed them just silage, which is a fermented corn product with a bunch of other stuff in it. And it just is like, it's like essentially eating Skittles for us all day. Oh, no shit. So they bulk up massively and then they all have diabetes when they get. And then they kill them.

Huh. And Americans love the taste of corn finished beef. Whereas in Argentina or other places that have a huge cow culture, they only use grass and they don't care for the taste of corn finished animals. It's just a taste thing. Does it put like fat in there? I bet it's not just a tasting. It has to be an efficiency and maximum profit making thing. And then they somehow just tricked us into liking the flavor.

It's both isn't it? Probably. Yeah. It's both those things. Yeah, it's the most efficient way to feed the rest of your rotten corn and all the corn that we subsidize people to grow here. And then what are we going to do with it? We're going to give it to the cows. And then, then they really marketed that. And this is how we do it in the United States.

Right. Yeah. But you know, even between squabbling with organic meat, not organic meat, organic veggies, and not that it's like, there are clear things that you want to stay away from like like refined juices, sodas, again things that have concentrated sugar into like very very unnatural levels. I mean you gotta stay away from all of that unless you have like a tiny bit. If you can take one bite of a donut, and I mean one, not the whole thing, and then drink a coffee, you're one showing great restraint. Good job. I probably can't do that, but I don't even really eat a lot of donuts.

But yeah, if I had one bite. But if you can minimize it, right? Again, I guess if you're about to go on a really good run or have a great workout, you could do like a small glass of juice, right? I assume that makes sense because you're gonna be burning a lot of sugar right away. So maybe that's not the worst time to do it, but just generally any unnaturally concentrated

dose is going to be something you want to stay away from in your lifetime, right? And adding fiber with any of it is really helpful. So there are obviously a lot of sugar in fruits, but generally you can eat kind of most types of fruits if you're not already diabetic. No, that fiber really slows down the, the spiking. Insumption. Yeah.

And then next to that, you have the ultra processed food, which again is a spectrum. It's like regular process could be as little as they've chopped the apple up and now put it in that little plastic container and now you give it to your kids instead of a whole apple. So that's like very minor processing. Some were involved. Then you've got something like spam pretty freaking processed. Oh yeah.. Yeah So that would be an example of a meat that's ultra processed, right? Right? So like there's good and bad ways to eat meat Maybe we shouldn't say good and bad and might make some people angry but a medium a healthier old way of eating is

Eating the whole food versus the chopped up blended Compacted and compressed bits. Yeah. Yeah, I Want to look up you never got a taste for that spam is strange Spam is strange I think there's 42 grams of sugar in a coke Is that right? And that's equivalent to like I Don't know how many ounces of pure sugar or table sugar. It's quite a bit.

That's, that's so much, dude. I mean, that is ridiculous. Oh, they have spam light. How fancy is that? Little less fat in that spam. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yes.

Spam is an ultra processed food. Mixing the ingredients in large refrigerated vacuum vats, grinding pork shoulders and ham, adding preservatives and sodium nitrite. So that's a solid preservative that also is pretty bad for you. Other ingredients, salt, water, modified potatoes, starch and sugar. So, you know, but really, I mean, that after like World War two and its shelf stable for like a long time without refrigeration. I mean, that was probably a game changer for people back in the day. I have I have about. 30 cans of spam right now in my storage because it is that it is

a high it's it will get you calories if you have to eat it. Do you what do you have it is like doomsday stuff or? Yeah, there was a period of time where we're worried about the end of all things and how long is spam good for? Oh, like indefinitely. Really? were worried about the end of all things and how long is spam good for? Oh, like indefinitely. Really? I mean, there's a, there's a sell by date on them, but I don't think they really go bad. They must be, they must be going bad at some point.

It says two to five years. Um, but you can look on the, you can look on the like like look at the can and if it isn't like swollen, then it potentially hasn't gone bad. I think the taste might deteriorate after that long, but it's that's why they do it in refrigerated vacuum chambers so they don't introduce any other things to it. Right. They just sterilize it essentially. And once you open it, it's good for three to four days. So yeah, that's like a smart thing to have with all your dehydrated stuff is just cans of spam. I mean, look, at the end of the day,

we started this by saying, hey, you wanna stay away from ultra processed stuff. If you're down to like end of days eating, you got other shit to worry about. Learn to fish, learn to fish and eat some spam. Trying to keep meat on your bones. Not trying to live a hundred years. Exactly. But yeah, I mean, you know, what else is ultra processed? Like in a way all cereal,

everything on the cereal aisle is super ultra processed anything in those like refrigeration you you know like those shitty pizzas that are quite delicious do you know is the last time you had a dijon oh it's not the liver oh I I I go I skipped the dijon oh and I go to Tostino's oh yeah this is. There's some other good ones. What about red Baron? Treat yourself. Get that at the, that was our thing.

And after college, we'd get a red Baron, add more pepperonis, light up the bong, play video games for hours. Genius. Yeah. I mean, a DiGiorno, cause it just gets all, you know, it does rise. Who knows what kind of witchcraft makes that happen and then it's it really is like an unnecessarily large you're just eating a loaf of bread. Beyond I like look at the ingredient list it goes on forever to giant paragraph of very complicated words. of very complicated words and I've become such a jerk to some of my family members

that I out of like hypocrite, I don't wanna be a hypocrite. So I will not buy one of those. I just cannot buy them. You shouldn't. It's been a long time for me. I'm such a jerk. But it's when I have done it in the past, you know, just like, maybe when I was like

working late and single and no one was gonna see my little shame pizza eating, I'd just go get the whole thing. The whole thing. DiGiorno and see if I could crush the whole thing down. No problem. Sleep for days. But that's the thing I mean you know these this shit in these are like basically everything we're telling you not to eat

on here and max has been saying otherwise you get dementia is like amazing so good they have the perfect fat content to share content that makes our brain just dude think about it this way. Like imagine Superman, right? He doesn't even need to eat. Probably Superman, right? He just is infinitely strong and awesome. But let's say he gets hungry. What would he eat?

He's not eating a fucking salad. He's not worried about his health. He's eating just he's main lining sugar. He might just eat like a tub of ice cream and maybe a few hot pockets. Yeah, it's just like French bread dipped in icing, dipped in sprinkles. And then with bacon wrapped around it, like it would be nothing even remotely healthy. It would just be flavor town. What's a spotted Dick? Oh, it's a dessert.

That's like a spongy cake with like, it's like toffee, some sort of like caramel, sugary sauce on it. And I think it has like raisins in there too. It's pretty good dessert. It's not bad. It's very, very sugary. A lot of sugar.

So I guess the UK has a sugar problem too. Don't they? Yeah. It's not as bad as the U S but it's not great. I mean, look, here's the thing. These, you know, ultra processed sugar treats have invaded everywhere. And people are getting a hold of them. It's like Dunkin' Donuts are popping up.

Even Starbucks, dude, Starbucks is a big problem for this. It's like just the amount of sugar that is just pumping into people for 10 bucks a drink. I mean, you know, and then red bulls are everywhere. I mean, that's. You know, that's a big culprit because again, caffeine super addictive, but tons of sugar, like as much sugar as a can of Coke, um, Coca-Cola's are everywhere, sodas are everywhere. Um, and he, you know, education is improved on nutrition in these places usually Europeans

Europe's Education on nutrition is slightly better. They have they have better food standards there. They don't allow as much of the crap But they still allow a lot of sugar still you can get it. It's all over the place. I can't believe that he was talking about some of these compounds we use for farming made in China, but illegal in China. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What like the Parkinson's thing?

It was like directly related to Parkinson's and mostly for the people that apply it to the plants. Right. Are getting it not really, it doesn't really trickle down to us. Yeah. Unless they're really bad at using it, but I can't, I can't, I just can't write my mind around why they're, we allow illegal compounds to go on our food. It doesn't make any sense. And trust China to make it for us.

Right. It's like, are we checking all those compounds? They must be laughing their ass off. We're paying for it and it's giving everyone MS. And the antibiotics are made in China too. Nuts. We gotta start making some stuff, guys. Let's make some stuff.

Let's take a pay cut and make some stuff. You'll make some stuff. Let's take a pay cut and make some stuff. You'll make some stuff get some chickens Eat eggs, that's that's I love it. I have about four eggs a day. Do you have chickens? Yeah, we about 20 22 chickens. Oh damn. That's too many eggs, dude. What are you doing all those eggs? Oh you it's not too many. No, you guys getting through them. I also they don't lay every day Oh, I thought they did no no no well, maybe a good one does but not all not all hens lay every day Okay, and of course the one that did lay every day got eaten by a raccoon Cuz he was he was the tastiest She portal poor Daisy Daisy don't name your chickens. Those ones get eaten first. All right.

That's how you know. Are they a lot of work? Oh yeah. I mean, yes. They're a daily activity. You can't just go away for a week and let them to their own devices. They need to get lead out. They got to be fed every day and you can't leave their food out because then you'll get

rats. Oh, that's true. And we've had to deal with rats for sure too. Oh that's pretty bad. Yeah. Talk about a gross animal. Mm-hmm. But still eggs are great. Love that. Do you ever eat the chickens or no? You just have them for eggs. No. I have had a couple of farm raised chickens back in Flagstaff that we, um, these old hens stopped laying. So we, we, uh, we harvested processed like 18 of them in a day.

And that was, well, that's no wonder why we outsource our, our, our slaughtering to big companies because it's not pleasant to do that. No sweet little chickens, you just got to wring their necks, chop them off, pluck the feathers and they're, they're not just kept in a box for a year and then harvested their tough meat. It's like a really, they're not good, right? It's hard to get like wild chicken. It's not great, especially if it's like old.

They're old. Old turkeys are delicious. chicken is not great especially if it's like old they're all delicious if you call I would eat a wild turkey as often as I could they are delicious are they really yeah do they taste a lot different than the ones you get for Thanksgiving that are just like I'd say I'd say betters no shit I'd say better yeah for like a maybe like a two-year-old Tom That's the way, huh Yeah, well this kind of brings you back to like the whole idea of hunting and like obviously it's not it's not possible for everyone but again, it's like a lot of Rogan's philosophy and and I know people that hunt Almost all year round, you know, it would almost all year round,

you know, not all year round, but every year they go to many of the different, you know, hunts that are available. And they're not super wealthy. They've just made that a major priority. Their freezers are always full of hunted meat. Like they really don't buy anything else, they don't need to.

And they just got really good at that thing and I just love the idea of that to me it just sounds amazing we're gonna go out you you and I we should uh one of these days we keep talking about it but I've I've got an in with the northern new mexican local here and he's he's he's never skunked he's like I do it in a day I drive three hours I get it I get a deer or get an elk process it there drive it back that night he never gets skunked so I'm like oh maybe I should just ride along with you buddy because I've only ever got skunked looking for a deer it's not easy it's not easy but you hear these stories, man. People are like coming back

with them. It's real and they're eating good. They eat good. My buddy Aaron in Montana, his freezer is always full of something. And that's like on a low end, five hundred dollars worth of meat.

Yeah, like on the low end, whole cow is like twelve hundred, fourteen hundred bucks or half cow is. Yeah. Like on the low end. Whole cow is like 1200 1400 bucks or half cow is. Yeah. I mean he still pays to get it processed. So that costs money. But yeah. I like that part of the whole thing. I like chopping it up. Yeah. If you got the space and the patience for it, I'd be down for it. I think I'd like it as well. I just feel like it's part of that whole process. So if you can make it work, you know, you kind of need like some things though, don't you? Need like a bit of space.

You need a mentor first. Like, and you can puzzle it out yourself, but having somebody really show you how to do it is that, you know, the best way to figure that out. That's very true. Well, and you can do it in your kitchen. I did it in our old kitchen. Oh, yeah.

Processed a deer there. I remember you did that bison that one time. Well, Buffalo, whatever it was. Bison, I guess you're right. Yeah. Yeah. I remember good sausage off that guy. I don't think I made sausage, but definitely you could.

The back straps are like four feet long. Yeah, I just remember it being like chunks of shit that you would just constantly boiling up. Are you here for a boiled bit of meat, Adam? Boiled. If there's beats involved. If there's beats involved, I'll be in there. Alright well, there we go, that was Max. Watch his documentary, Little Empty Boxes. I want to watch it. I am worried about dementia.

I am glad that he did this and any kind of like brain rotten away issue. And yeah, ultimately start getting healthy. Think about it. You're never too young to do it as well. Doesn't mean you're a nerd. Obviously you want to party and have fun, I get it. But the sooner you can take care of yourself, it'll pay off because it's all you're gonna be thinking about once somebody tells you you have early signs of dementia. I'll tell you that much.

Gosh. Yeah. Well, thank you, Pete. Keep an eye on the food. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you to everyone else listening. We will talk to you guys next week. Later. Adios.