Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 392 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Annie Jacobsen Et al.

Episode Date: July 21, 2024

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. Might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. Wow. What a week. What a couple of weeks we've had. Not a good couple of weeks.

Yeah. Former president shot at assassination attempt. Current president basically retires under a great deal of pressure from his own party. He did not want to remember he's like the president. He's the most powerful guy in the country. He wanted to continue. Couldn't. They said no. So is he really the most powerful was he ever?

Yeah. What do you think, Pete? Oh, I mean, he definitely wanted to get go going if he has any autonomy at all. And but Miss Jill Biden, Dr. Jill Biden, the you and me, she wanted him to keep going for sure. I think that because obviously she has a lot of power when he's weak.

Well, she, but she also has a lot of power while he's president. She gets her own, like, I think she continues to get her own security detail. I'm not sure if, um, presidents still get secret service details after they are done in the presidency. I think they might now that that's happened to Trump. It's just been such a long time since there was an assassination attempt. But no, I really think that Trump was the first president to, they signed something into law that the presidents from now on don't get lifetime secret service detail

because it was amazingly expensive so they were just like you know what these guys aren't getting shot at it's not necessary Bush has just been on his ranch surrounded by Secret Service like painting it's like what's painting weird Epstein pictures. Yeah. Yeah. I like his style. Um, so yeah, I think after this assassination attempt, it'd be coming back, but yeah. So who is it now? He endorsed Kamala. You know, Gavin Newsom is going to pop out of nowhere. I think this is why Gavin was so like, Hey,

I've got the backing of Biden and I'll never turn my back on him. And he's a great man. And I'm just like, hey, I've got the backing of Biden and I'll never turn my back on him. And he's a great man. And I'm just like knowing him and like living in a state where he worked and watching him make his televised speeches and his smarmy little bullshit attitude. I'm like, this doesn't sound right to me. I'm not believing that he's like that much behind the current president. But now that I'm seeing how it's unfolding, it just like it's almost like a play. He knew that they were going to drop Biden.

He knew that if he just like said all those things, it made him seem like a massive loyalist to the current president and the party. And I'm just like, that makes way more sense of why he did it than actual loyalty. I don't believe he has that at all. He's an actor. Yeah, he is. He's a big actor. That guy definitely only cares about how much power can he have.

And the power grab that I saw him have in Calais and many people that did. It's like, if you want to know what it's like to be so frustrated by a single person that you go from being a Democrat to basically anything else, that's what a lot of people experienced that I know personally in California, watching him.

He'd do that to a whole nation. I mean, I can't imagine the damage he could do in four years. I mean, people freak out about Trump. I remember Trump's already been president. I was like, what happened? It was fine. Seemed fine. Yes.

We all got a little better by everybody's measure. We all got better. I guess Yeah, I mean some stuff happened that some people didn't like it was like I It wasn't like any it wasn't like buildings are on fire. People are screaming in the streets, right? I mean it was just life is normal blm stuff. Yeah, but life is normal I mean, I think gavin newom could cause some major problems real quick. I mean, he just basically would immediately work for whatever the deep state wanted. He's that kind of guy. How much power can I get?

What do I need to do? How quickly can I sell out? I'll lie about anything. That's his setup. And yeah, I don't know who else there is.'m like, there's gotta be some good Democrats out there window nerds Go find I don't know who should it be That there's no time for them. Pivot. Hey could have been a good it could have been could have got my vote

I almost liked him. Although he is wishy washy And does have some weird stuff he's into, but it's um, he could he could have got me. Yeah. But instead the he was quickly deplatformed and forced independent and also denied secret service due to the current administration's new policy about secret service, which is just terrible. Yeah.

Ridiculous. This guy should be having some people. A hundred percent, dude runs in his family. But he finally got it. But it took it took a president being shot at. I mean, you know, it's like, well, it literally took an attempted assassination before he could get it. I mean, that's ridiculous at that point. Yeah. It's just like, like okay what are we doing here but...

Not a serious puncher are we? Talking about things that almost and could sound like the end of the world we've got Annie Jacobson on this week. Annie Jacobson on Rogan. Now I've been watching her on plenty of different podcasts. It's pretty wild stuff. I mean, I first really paid attention to her on the diary of a CEO, and I have a clip there I'm gonna play, and it basically is the clip for like, what to expect during a nuclear war,

which is really which is really what is the most important thing to think about. So I'm just going to play that. I don't know how much of it I'll play, but we'll see. But on top of the initial flash of thermonuclear light, which is 180 million degrees, which catches everything on fire in a nine mile diameter radius, on top of the bulldozing effect of the wind

and all the buildings coming down and more fires, igniting more fires. On top of the radiation poisoning people to death in minutes and hours and days and weeks, if they happen to have survived. On top of all of that, each one of these fires creates a mega fire that is a hundred or more square miles. And so essentially, in essence, what do you see?

Well, in the scenario at minute 72, a thousand Russian nuclear weapons land on the United States. And so it just becomes a conflagration of fire. It's just fire, fires burning. Fires 100, 200 square mile fires burning. And then we move into nuclear winter. And that's sort of the denouement of the book, where I tell you about nuclear winter from the point of view of one of the original scientists who wrote that original nuclear winter paper

with Carl Sagan back in 1983. And his name is Professor Brian Toon. And he's spent the decades since working with the state of the art climate modeling systems that can now precisely tell us what nuclear winter will look like. Because I've always thought nuclear war wouldn't be that bad if Russia launched a thousand of their nuclear bombs at the United States and I was here in Alright, that's enough of that. He goes on to say it wouldn't be that bad because he lives in New York and he would die instantly Yeah, I think that you mostly want to die instantly Just right away

You definitely don't want to have not died and be just far enough away that you get not only burnt but horribly blasted with radiation because have not died and be just far enough away that you get not only burnt but horribly blasted with radiation because there will just be no chance for you to get through that and even if you did survive it you'd be all messed up and and then even best-case scenario you know you're in the middle of somewhere that's far enough away from the initial blast. You know, you can get somewhat underground or like in a basement where you've got some concrete or cinder blocks around you. You know, you stay there five or six days, maybe a week

with some rations that you have. You've dodged most of the larger radiation particles, alphas, betas, maybe. You've got some water so you're not drinking polluted shit. Right. You've got a spring, magical spring. Something like that, yeah, I guess. Or just a bunch of bottled water, right? If you're one of those...

I wouldn't say you're a doomsday prepper. If you've got like a week's worth of reserves, I think that, I think that like many people could have that's smart. Something like that. It's a smart move. Yeah. It's not bad to fill up your bathtub real quick. And then you have a few bottled water, you know, things. I mean, what's really interesting is like if you have a pool Then you have like ten years plus of water If you had a pool, yeah, it was a shit thousands and thousands of gallons in there

I guess that's true. Isn't it? Yeah, you have a shitload of water The thing is you'd have to cover it and keep it Yeah, whatever somewhat sterile, but even if it got all gross, you could probably just keep, you know, boiling it. And, um, but anyway, I mean, everything's on fire. You know, that's what she's saying. Everything would be on fire. You've survived. All of a sudden you're okay.

You're still healthy. You've got some food, your family's with you. It's like, all right, now there's no services, no power, no nothing. You better start shot. You better have a fireplace. You start chopping some wood, get some heat going, boiling them some stuff. I mean, what do you do then? Do you hope that the human race, whoever's left is like cool enough to be like, Hey, let's work together,

build society. Or are they immediately going to be like, hey, let's work together, build society or are they immediately going to be like, this is horrific. Let's go full Mad Max and just start taking everything we need. I think it's full on Mad Max. It's not going to be good, dude. It's even a best. Even if you have like a cool group of people, some you're going to come across some Mad Max folks and you've got to treat them nasty. Otherwise, you you're going to come across some mad maxi folks and

you've got to treat them nasty otherwise you're not going to live. I know after you explained all that there is seven years of nuclear winter. She was speculating seven years of nuclear winter after After all those thousands of bombs have been dropped? Yeah. There's the Holocaust, there's initial radiation, and then there's the initial die off, the wind will blow some of it. It'll lessen as far as intensity. You won't get burned by walking outside, hopefully.

But then there's seven years of nuclear winter. Which is like straight up winter all over the world, right? Unless you live in the equator. Exactly. Yeah, there's frozen oceans, there's sub-zero temperatures nearly worldwide. Every night it's tough. It is every night. It's tough. It's tough. Now, what is that? Just because just because of the clouds or like the

amount of particles, the particles ejected into the atmosphere, blocking the sun's rays from hitting the air. OK, so they're like radioactive particles real high up or even or just carbonized particles particles particles of dust

crack a Toa one of the biggest explosions in human history did a year of nuclear winter not nuclear winter but a year of cold stuff yes yes so really I think so really no one can survive that right because you wouldn't be at a granny thing you might be able to grow some stuff you can grow some mushrooms underground you can do some animal husbandry underground this kind of goes back to Graham Hancock's version of the earth past earth with all those cases like in Turkey D D and coo coo you I think they're called me well D and Q, I think they're called. Well, the layer of spirit, what are they called?

The spiracles around the world or micro nuclear glass, right? Around the world. Maybe we already had a nuclear apocalypse. We may have. Yeah, it's likely it's at least possible. Or at least like a asteroid hitting, which is kind of doing a similar thing You know big enough asteroid It's gonna it's gonna hit hard and create nuclear winters. Yeah, it'd be messed up. I

Think we've gone through it before and we barely survived Yeah, and I and I don't think we'd be any better at it this time around either Like all of the things that you think could help us would be destroyed. Like almost nothing would be working. You know, none of the vehicles will work, right? After the nukes, they all, yeah, there's like EMT stuff that blows all the, basically all machines up, just fries them. Is it computers or all machines like you know even generators?

I'm I think it's like everything yeah get fried. It's all the electronics get fried basically Unless they have like EM What is it EMT EMF? PMP. Yeah, EMP? EMP? Yeah, EMP like protective things over like the starter motor or the electronics or the computer. Everything's fried. So even if you had power to them later, it's gone.

It's not working. It's really fucking bad stuff, dude. You know, and nobody would have a plan for it. The plan that I just laid out is like more comprehensive than most people would have. And I have zero chance of pulling that shit off. Zero, dude. I'm just crying in my basement eating ramen noodles because I don't know how to boil water without power.

And then I'm like, great. I've got like three days. I've already eaten 10. I'm just really hungry. Well, I get I eat a lot when I'm nervous. Well, let's just hope that doesn't happen.

I guess that's all we can do. Well, you know, and this is what she's talking about, right? It's like it's like it makes you think, you know, as we're more funding goes to the Ukraine, like how much more pissed off is Biden getting than there's really the US military is not even that focused

on that stuff right now. It's way more about China and Taiwan. And you know, how willing are they to take that bit of land? It's like, is this the time that they're just like, you know what, Let's go. Like we're running out of people, you know, in a decade or two, they're not going to have the people to kind of support their own society. They might know this is like their peak chance to like make a move, make something happen. Um, and I don't know, it's like nukes it back on the table almost I what did you say

seven thousand seven hundred and seven active warheads pointed somewhere at this moment we have too many yeah that's tons dude and what what is there a few hundred? Interceptors that only have like a 20 to 40 percent chance of shooting anything down It's like we shoot a couple down, but not many and you know what they're gonna Do they're gonna like if those interceptors go up they are only protecting? DC New York like they are not intercepted any nukes going to frickin New Mexico It's like sorry, dude. Come on. Sorry nerds They did just not they're gonna be selfish with where those interceptors go

Exactly, of course they are and it's like well good luck So yeah, it's just like there is no good Answer here unless you have one of those like mega doomsday Fallout shelter things like like Zuckerberg just built in Hawaii, which I'm sure he does have hundreds of years of food underground. Could be but about she said it doesn't matter unless you're in there when they go off. Well that's exactly good point but who knows he's got a lot of resources maybe maybe he has some sort of like sick-ass plane that he can get over

there with or one of his yacht. So you'd have to fly Right next to the ocean or I would I would say the best bet is to get a little sub Get a little cute little something you little so maybe he has a cute little someone is he's got a super expensive yacht He pray does underwater we're yacht speaking speaking of subs the nuclear subs those are the scary parts about this deployment method oh yeah find them impossible to find sub ultra ultra stuff now why talking about how is that surely we can so there I guess the Russians and the Chinese are always like

Getting close to our land just to see if they're getting picked up. Now Why is this? Why don't we have some sort of like satellite scanning technology? Can we not penetrate water? You think they give off something that we could find? Water is the hardest to find. There's limitations to how deep it can look. Sonar is best in water, but to be receptive to that sonar, you have to be receiving it in water. You know, the boat has to...

That's what we know what the bottom of the ocean looks like, but that's not from space that we're looking at the bottom of the ocean. We're looking at the bottom of the bottom of the ocean looks like But that's not from space that we're looking at the bottom the ocean We're looking at the bottom of the ocean from the surface of the ocean. Ah now and lidar is The most you know lidar is I forget the acronym but it is you know from from planes or drones used to Determine the certain the topography of the surface of the Earth. And so one of the main things it's thwarted by in the jungles of South America is water.

So when their leaves are wet, then they're having a hard time looking down in there. So water hides all. Well, it's very dense. So yeah. What? Yeah, it's pretty wet. It's moist. Moist. Moist, I would say. So yeah. What? Yeah, it's pretty wet. Moist.

Moist. Moist, I would say. So, okay, so yeah, so they're using Sonar, and I know with their Sonar, like they can, because it's their Nucleus subs, they can make those engines go pretty quiet. And you know, they have a lot of stealth features, so they can just, you know, sneak around like the sneaky little sneaks that they are. But that's that's crazy, because then it means that they're minutes away. Like as soon as they launch, it's go time.

And that's what we're watching for all the time. And, you know, easier to find a grapefruit sized object in space than a sub in the ocean. Wow. That I did not know that that was the way it was and they're fucking carrying nukes. That's a problem. Bring a small spoon, that's a good grapefruit. Yep. Wow. And at one point we were making five nukes a day. That was another thing that was super alarming So at our peak we were making something around five nukes a day That was manufacturing the shit out of them Yeah, that was during the Cold War. It's too many. What do we think we were doing for those? Oh

hubris Just just unbridled hubris. Just, just unbridled hubris. Yeah. Just do it. And thanks to diplomacy and a little, a little angel by the name of Ronald Reagan, we, we D R we D arm armamented, we D D armed ourselves. So, and we agree. And we agree with Gorbachev to de arm him as well.

We de-armed ourselves. Solid. And we agree with Gorbachev to de-arm him as well. So we all dismantled these things, put them away, disassembled it, just put the nuclear reactive stuff underground. But who checked on that? I feel like that's just something you would say you did. Both sides said they did it, so all the people calmed down,

and then no one actually did it. Cause they're like, yeah, we just got them on this room here Oh, there's none in that room. Don't look in that room Nothing in that old-fashioned Mexican standoff, right? But now it doesn't matter about all those because all those nukes that were made back then at five a day Are only the ignition device or a device hundreds of times stronger than that initial device. Yeah.

And that's, that's my question. The ones we launch back, if they launch them at us, are we literally launching our biggest ones? Oh yeah. Launching the ones that like take out whole city, like Moscow. The most. Gone. take out whole city like Moscow the most gone the most the most. Innovative, the most incredible, the highest peak of destructive

technology that you can make. We've we've got those. And they're coming for them. Ballistic missiles, those things can get across. What is it across? They can they can hit Moscow and like It's like 25 minutes. They go into space 20 minutes. Yeah Right up and then down right? Yeah, it's like like they they get to like

24,000 miles an hour when they're in space on their little Frickin, you know bell curve parabola of death. Oh My god the PD not good We have to just pray and hope this is God listening that We should not destroy the world Yeah, it's but I think I think that's the thing I like even all the lunatics that have this it's like everyone knows

This is the worst thing that could ever go down like even Everyone knows this is the worst thing that could ever go down. Like even even Putin, like at his most desperate and crazy, he's like, that's not really the move. It's like the pretend move. Nobody's really doing that shit. When is the first one? Why is it? Is it is the first one between Pakistan and India is the first one between North Korea and South Korea is

The first one between the United States and Russia. That's a good point. Yeah, I mean where I ran Where it gets tricky is if it doesn't involve the u.s Like nobody's hitting it, but it's like somehow it's freaking North Korea buys one on the black market and fires it at South Korea and they fire one back and now there's like that's kind of started. And then all of a sudden some other countries notice that hey yeah that wasn't great for them but the whole world didn't die so maybe this is an option that we have to like start shooting these things off.

And then we're playing a dangerous game then. Heavy weight on our little shoulders, talking about this, spelling me out dude. Well, this is what this lady's all about. She's, get the book, she's about getting you scared. You know? I did watch an interesting video. I watched an interesting video about disinformation,

or it was some guy, he's like an engineer of some kind, has a pretty good following on Instagram, I mean on YouTube, I can't remember the name of his channel though, but he was basically talking about, he kind of watches out for disinformation, so he watches for searches online, and spikes in searches. And he noticed that this lady, anytime that she's on a podcast, obviously there's a big spike in like nuclear war searches, which makes sense because she's going on big podcasts, especially Rogan's,

but she's been on a bunch of big podcasts, Lex Freeman, different ones. And he was making the point that, and this isn't her fault or some big conspiracy, but he's like, this is the type of conversation that say Russian misinformation bots and programs would want to push because it makes Americans potentially scared of the idea of nuclear war you know and he's just kind of making a point that like this is the sort of thing that could ultimately lead to not wanting to fund the Ukraine maybe you know because it's like oh now we're again scared of nuclear war even though this guy is saying it's like, oh, now we're again scared of nuclear war, even though this guy is saying it's unlikely that that would be a move they could play anyway. Like that shouldn't be

an excuse for countries that are way less military strong than us to get away with doing like messed up things, you know, that can't always be the threat. Like even if they have nukes, it's unlikely they use them. So I thought that was they have nukes. It's unlikely they use them So I thought that was an interesting take on it It's like it's hard to know what could be used and where and you would imagine that if you were a misinformation System like you know, let's say we owned like a warehouse in Russia and we worked for Putin and the government and it was like Right. Here's your agenda. You got to stir up a bunch of stuff and scare Americans and try and change some policies and You know how you figure out to do that. That's up to you. I mean you would highlight the signal on Certain messages that you felt would

incite those reactions even if the message itself is Fairly pure and it's just like information like Annie is bringing she's just like hey this is what happens this is what will happen I don't know what you're saying but my take on her her message getting flagged for misinformation no no it's not that it's getting flagged this guy was making the point that it is the type of message that could be used as disinformation in terms of it would be pushed by, say, the Russians because it would then like that message. It's like basically they make clips of it. They put it on their bot things. They put it on YouTube and Instagram. It's almost like

They put it on YouTube and Instagram. It's almost like Pushing her signal but also spreading more fear of nuclear war Right, it's like that could be useful for them because it might scare us away from Wanting to put you know people away from wanting to support the Ukraine It's like well, I kind of what you were saying Well, what it does is for me about Ukraine is like what he was saying. Well, what it does is for me, forget about my biases, forget about my enemies and realize my friends and my strengths and say, we need to be behind each other.

We have to use diplomacy versus war tactics. We can't think selfishly and we need to be friends with other countries. We need to be talking to get to rocket man. Yeah, to rocket man. Yeah, we got to get we we got to be shaking hands with Putin. We got to be telling Zelensky what to do. He's new. He's a newbie. Yeah, he's a now we got we got to tell him what to do. We got to.

There might be there might be some cabinet replacements in the Ukraine. I'm not I'm I'm not I'm not above telling them how to run their government. We are running their government, honestly. Basically, we should be. But we're we're paying for it. It'll help him. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, this is diplomacy. When when these government leaders aren't talking,

just because they're talking doesn't mean they're all getting along. But at least there's a dialogue. A dialogue is better than no dialogue. That's when you're just in the dark. I feel like with Biden, we had no dialogue. Biden hasn't called Putin one time. Yeah, that's crazy to me. I mean, Trump went over and walked around North Korea, for God's sake.

I mean, holy shit. I almost cried when I watched that video. Dude, it was wild. He got no credit for that. They were like, what a waste of time. This is dumb. I'm like, that's doing something like that. God will work with us. They hate America. He might be like, hey, I'm like that's doing something like that guy will work with us they hate America he might be like hey I'm back in can you just chill out you know you're being a wacky dude we need you to do what do you want what

do you need what do you guys need is a bugatti have it that's on me thing yeah clip nickel he's all his a ps5 Displosive their minds. They're like, holy shit. He's like you got a couple of those have them It's my gift have to take these if you want here's here's some black chicks that want to sing some songs There we go. Give your interject some culture into your life. That's it. Yeah Takes over some like real good pizza from New York. He's like, you got to try this. You got to fold it in half before you jump it.

You got to fold it in half. Could be a game changer. But yeah, you got to have communication. I mean, that speech that Putin made where he's like, yeah, we're watching real closely that Trump said, you know, he knows how to end this war. He wants to. We don't know what his plan is. We're, we'd be interested to discuss it with him. Almost sounded like Putin didn't even want to be in this war. I'm like,

what, like, can he do it? Like, could he get in and just be like immediately on the phone to Putin? And he's like, all right, what do you need? We got to cut this out because we got to focus on China right now and we don't have time for you. So what do you need? And then, okay, so this podcast reviews Mr. Joe Rubin's podcast and Tulsi Gabbard, Dave Smith legends.

Oh, what's the other guy? Sal. Oh, a guy. Gad. Gad sad Gad Gad sad. Gad sad. They all outlined moments where Putin did not want to be in this war. He said, can I not do

this? Can we talk about this? And over and over in this presidency. Diplomacy was ignored. Putin was back, Bernard. And ultimately over 180,000 lives Diplomacy was ignored. Putin was backburnered. And ultimately over 180,000 lives have been lost on that front line over there. That's shocking, dude.

But it's so easy to just ignore that stuff because it's like, well, they're not Americans and that's war. And also we don't have to see it. It's like, you know, if we were made to see that all the time, like if they just constantly blasted us with like interviews of family members that had died on both sides, you know, where's my son? Russians are people too. Russians are people too. 100% dude.

Yeah. It's all these people. It's like anywhere where a shitload of people are dying. It's like, if you show that to the general public, we're not going to like it. It doesn't feel good. And then all of a sudden sudden all our excuses for war Justifications start to go out of the window because we're like, holy shit It's like imagine if every American had a pen pal in like every country now. It sounds like a lot You'd have like 200 pen pals, but let's say you didn't let's say you have ten and you pick ten countries

and you pick 10 countries and you've got to cover all the continents and you know, you've just got people around and every month you write 10 letters. You sit down, you write 10 letters and these are your friends. You get to know them over the course of your life and you know, occasionally one of them is going to be a part of a place that is in a war And you'll know this guy or gal and it will just be so much different for you to hear that and to be Connected to it and it would make you just not want to be a part of all these wars

You'd be like this sucks. How are your family? What's going on? They're like, they're blowing us up I don't have anyone to live It's like holy shit dude. It becomes real then when it's your friend Yes, it does. You know and it gives you a way better perspective of like what's happening, you know We all need perspective on this. We need to be less It's it's the funny dichotomy of all this up is available to us and is bombarding us versus us caring less and less about it. It's so true. Anyway, look, let's wrap it up there. It's, it was a scary one. But it's important to think about, I think, and not just to think about like how to survive it. It's like, that's,

that's one question. I kind of feel like there's no surviving, even if anyone does survive this, but it's about being aware of the potential and positioning ourselves so it doesn't happen. We don't even get close to it. And, you know, teaching the next generation that as well until we get, you know, better air defense. So come so come on Elon get some laser satellites that can just shoot all those bitches down and then we don't need to worry about nukes blowing us up because we have the super lasers that's what I'm waiting for we need some of those Jewish space lasers yeah we gotta get some of those don't have a blue roof oh no wait you do want a blue roof blue roof it's about blue roofs all right guys guys. Thank you so much

Thank you Pete as always and stay safe and no no nuking people out there. All right, no nukes Not today. No, I'm not watching. Bust you guys. Hope you guys don't get nuked. Love you later