Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 399 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Luis Elizondo Et al.

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. I'm Adam, joined this week by Peter.

What's cracking, Pete? Oh, not much. Good to be here. Adam, put the mic closer to your face. You know what you're doing. Is this right here? Yeah. See how it's loud in the headphones. Oh, now I get it. Help people out. It's my first time. I didn't realize we needed a pre pod tutorial. I need a lot of help. Come on, come on. Some great guests this week. Russell Crowe was on. And then Louis Elizondo, the aerospace Pentagon guy. And then Jack Simms, philosopher and animal rights person. The Russell Crowe one was great. I recommend listening to that if you're a fan of Russell Crowe. With actors and comedians, we often skipped out those ones. I think a lot of times because at least with the comedians, they're often pretty similar and they've been on lots of times. And with the actors, it's just kind

of like a breakdown of the history of their life if it's the first time they've been on. But definitely worth listening to. But we wanted to put a bit more time today, especially into the Louis Elizondo one former head of Pentagon's advanced aerospace threat identification program the AATIP the AATIP They love their acronyms over there at the Pentagon. They really do.

They got to save time, so they need it. And this was a big one. For me, this was like the UFO one I'd be waiting for. I'm sure there will be ones in the future when more information comes out. But it's like I've always been waiting for that conversation to where I finally rest on what I think is happening. Is it getting there for you? comes out and but it's like I've always been waiting for that conversation to where I finally rest on what I think is happening. Is it getting there for you?

Dude, this one did it for me. I mean it doesn't mean I have all the answers and know why they're here and where they came from and what that deal is but do they exist? Yes. For real? Yes. I, the big takeaways for me is the US government has full high-def images and video of Kraft, not just like the GoFast video. Tic-tac. And yeah, it's not just like blurry radar shit. We have real images, which you would imagine we have.

Where are they? I know, I know he said they're classified, but where's our, where's us? Where's our, where's the layman needs to get in there? Yeah, they're not doing it. Not yet. They won't do that until one flies over a city. And then they will tell us all the info that they,

or not all of it, but a lot of it. Because, well, what they're going to do then is once the public find out, we're going to demand, well, why don't you know about this? You're supposed to be protecting us Pentagon. And they say, oh, we know his videos of them. We've been tracking them for a long time. They have been over the Phoenix lights. I've been like a thing. Yeah. And look, they've always said it,

but we've just never really had something pretty definitive and this is what this felt like. About like the dismissibility of all this stuff. Exactly and that leads into the other points like it's very likely we have a craft as well so that brings up the whole Bob Lazar thing, legitimizes that. Ros's real, baby. We've been reverse engineering them more than likely. You know, I mean, it was just so much of a guess before. Even Bob Lazar, very convincing, but I'm like, hmm. I was convinced by him too. Still could be a chance that it's not true.

You know what I mean? His story lines up with all the stuff that Louis was talking about. Now it does. I mean, yeah, it's like it's confirmed to me. And then the last thing is what I was always so unsure about is why the government would keep it a secret. Like what value is it to them?

But when he went over the fact that, you know, they haven't done anything necessarily good for us. They haven't dropped information. They haven't like helped our harvest. They've just kind of fucked with our nuclear silos. They've got real close to our planes, jet planes and fighters and, and, you know, war boats and all the rest of it. And that's it.

So they're either neutral or a threat but they don't seem very helpful and that's enough for our government to say we don't need to let everyone know that we know they're here because that's what leads to an attack. Threat minimization. And I'd never considered that before. I'd never kind of put all that together and you know I don't know anything about military shit but I mean you like he said that's how it would work if we were getting ready for war we do a ton of Intel we'd we'd fuck with some stuff to see if we could and then as soon as they realized we were

there we'd go in and wreck them when you get made you have 12 hours to invade to so you have any surprise left. Mm-hmm. I Mean it it tracks right with logic. I was like fair enough. I mean if I was given that job I pray I have to say the same thing You know, so it also makes you think why they're telling us so much more now, right? What is it? What is it? It has to benefit them in some way. Otherwise, why would they do it? Yeah, I, it's either that or the cats out of the bag. Maybe they're, maybe they're just getting so many sightings that they really can't suppress them anymore. You know, they, they'd have to have so many teams of people going around collecting footage and making sure people weren't

showing it. And I just feel like it's only a matter of time before we're going to get something. It's cultural. He said it was our culture, our government's culture versus the culture of China, who is trying to head it, head this all up for the UN. Now I guess you could still say that they sent this guy in to now talk about them, you know, as being real, as being things we don't know. And again, it's like another clever cover up to these drone programs that we have, but that's a complicated play.

It's all possible. In a thought experiment, it's all possible. It could be that too. Like he could just be a plant that's making things, pushing things a little further down the road by giving us a little bit, teasing, teasing it out. Right. Yeah. And also you could say,

even if they showed him a bunch of footage, even high def video, we can make fake shit now. Nope. I don't believe any video I see. If he just walked into a room and they're like, play it on the TV and he's like, they're like, we can't send this to you. Obviously it's classified, but you can watch it. And then it's, you know, fricking Spielberg, just knocking it out. That quality, right? It's hard to know, but I'm pretty convinced now that this, this is enough to kind of answer. I mean, look, at the end of the day, what, how, what,

why do we believe in anything that we didn't ourselves figure out? Well, it's because it's reasonable. You've had enough evidence that works for you. And, and there we go. There comes a point where you just have to make a decision. Exactly. The evidence for me was proved that there's been visitation here. Uh, when you see it in rock carvings that are like 10,000 plus years old. Yeah. That's like, come on. However, that's a UFO.

However, it doesn't answer the question where they're from. So if they had always been here, that's technically not like a visitation. Right. It's just a flyby. An interaction. And maybe they have just been under the ocean. That's I think that I think they said that the The frequency of sightings are mostly in water. That's crazy Yeah, that really changes your idea of of what I mean, I want to play a clip now where he's talking About one of the underwater Crafts and let's let's get into that about one of the underwater crafts and let's let's get into that.

You can't tell us about can you give us some sort of an understanding of like what you're talking about? Yeah, sure. Without being specific? Yeah, let me see. Okay, yeah. There is a video, high resolution video of I can't say what platform it was taken from, I can't say where it was taken from, but an object that, you know how large an offshore oil derrick is, they're huge, right? They're almost like a small city, right? They're like one city block. They're huge, they're enormous things.

There is a video that shows one of these objects underwater. That goes by, the speed was calculated between 450 and 550 knots underwater, and it was bigger than the offshore derrick that it was passing, because you could see in the video the offshore derrick, and you could see this thing zip right by it Jesus yeah, so that's a lot of them right a lot of them are reported as being Transmedium right so that exactly why why do we use a term you ate all right? So how fast is 450 knots is that like 450 ish miles an hour? It's yeah, it's faster than any of our craft can do in the water. This podcast is brought to you by Draft Kings Casino. In a world of slot reels and blackjack deals comes the must-play event of the summer from

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What a thousand times more resistance than yes in the air so you would need Nuclear power stations worth of power to well we have nuclear subs that can go 35 miles an hour 55 tops with the small unit under the water under the water 55 miles an hour that's pushing I'm sure it's like 25 I don't yeah I think it's pretty fucking slow it's slow yeah and so to go that speed I don't even know because here's what happens the faster you go the more of that weight of the water you have to move out of the way and water is incredibly heavy. Yes, the faster you go, the more resistance. So it's like exponential power that you need. And, you know, I mean, they see it with cars.

I remember when I watched the thing on Bugatti's and they were doing like 260 or something top speed. And the whole show that I watched, it was like 25 minutes long, and it was talking about getting them to like 265 or 270, it's barely 10 miles an hour more. But they said the power needed was more than they was required to get it from like 180 to 250 or something. Because it just gets so much because even air has resistance Well at that speed. Yeah that speed it does so that water is just I mean That's just insane to me like hearing that is is kind of weirdly more impressive than when they zip through the sky at

You know mark 20 right so that he's describing a vessel that's going know, Mach 20. Right. So he's describing a vessel that's going 500 miles underwater with little to no wake. That's impossible. It doesn't make any sense. But yet they're sighted over and over. That's another good point. If it was moving traditional, like with just traditional jet, like if we had enough power to push something with regular propulsion, it would be firing that water out of the, even if it was deep, it would cause like a fricking tsunami. It would like make steam. It was moving so fast. It would evaporate the water.

Ooh, boil it. Hmm. God, I'm bigger than the platform too. Those things are fucking real big. Living us living in Rockport, Texas, we would, you see those Derrick's out there. It takes barges to bring them out, it takes like five barges to get one of those in place. And to think that there's something underwater traveling, that speed, that's way bigger, is mind boggling. Yeah, and also that basically no one has ever seen.

Where do they park them? I don't know, deep down. Interdimensional parking. Are you right? Basically no one has ever seen where do they hide them? Where do they park them? I don't keep down mmm Interdimensional parking. Are you right? That's at least 20 bucks a day Can't afford that parking pass. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah wild right and you know, remember his job title credible, dude Yeah, you know not a dummy. This guy's wicked smart. Yeah, he's not just a guy that's like collected all the information online. And he's like, I read this one subreddit

and I know this guy and I met this dude at a bar. You know, the credibility on all this is really high. And this is a credible area of discussion. And this is funded by other governments. Other governments are working on this just as hard as we are. In China specifically. I wonder how many other countries maybe have a craft. Brazil for sure.

You think so? Well, I mean, they have they have huge visitation down there. There is that documentary where the US Air Force went down and supposedly brought back some actual aliens that were like running around a town because they crashed. Well I don't speak Portuguese but maybe we should because those guys know what's going on or at least they have a lot of firsthand evidence. There's like school children for weeks.

These things have been showing up to these school kids. What was that? Is that the, I think he talked about it a couple of instances he taught, he did talk about it. Yeah, there's, there's one near a school. There's like a famous story in a, in somewhere in Africa too, where a lot of school kids saw something. So it kind of, to me it kind of says like that these things might have different motivations. Maybe more than one entities type is coming,

coming here and maybe from here and trying to communicate with us. Yeah. I mean, look, we have a lot of different shaped vehicles and we're just one species. So it would kind of make sense they would have a bunch of different shaped vehicles too. Why not? I mean, look, they don't have to be like us, but also why would they all have to look the same? Our organisms has shared different marks. We leave on the world, we leave a lot of evidence

for our motivations and it's all different. We all have like different countries, different motivations, different species, different races, even without our human species. Yeah, but think about a boat, for example. Some things all kind of have to look the same because they're doing the thing. To be in water, yeah.

So it makes sense, like boats aren't big circles. They're usually long, you know, and different styles, but when there's wind power, the wind power systems look similar because they just don't work any other way. Yeah, we have to have a, we have physical parameters. Right.

For boats. So if they kind of don't and they're building it however they want, it could make, it could make sense that there's lots of different ships. My question is, does it mean that different planets worth of creatures or different species of whatever this is. Maybe different religions of species. I'm starting to believe it's just AI though. Though, but we have talked in the past about like Roswaal and capturing creatures. Right.

So it's like, are they creatures or are they just cleverly cloned genetic things? Are they bots? Are the cyborgs like are in aliens? Well, we're, um, they're about to make, you know, humanoid things. Tesla's about to do it. So it's like, yeah, they could definitely do that too. Like robot things that run around, maybe like an organic type of robot thing is the really advanced version of it. Like you kind of want one that can heal. Yeah. You want to fix itself because we ain't smart enough to fix it. Now we ain't doing it, but man,

nuclear powered sex bots exciting. Like that's what really blows my mind with this stuff. And you know, again, just talking about that technology bending space around us, it's like he described it in a way that was kind of reachable for me. I can almost understand it when he was talking about it. Yeah, he was good at doing that for sure. It didn't sound it sounds like the stuff Bob Lazar was working on. They recovered some materials and sounds like there's other programs that have exposed to radiation that can make it move right they're figuring it out well supposedly Bob said that they could even fly one back then they didn't know what was

making it fly or we couldn't reproduce the propulsion system but we had some idea again element 115 you know some went in, it could kind of bend space time, whatever, they could fly it a little bit. So that was the 80s. That's a long time ago, dude. We've had 40 years since Bob and people working on it. Maybe we've just got way better at pulling that info out. We have the tool, we're getting better

and better tools to measure it. Right. Yeah, like his analogy with the garage opener was awesome. This is a simple device. It sends one little radio signal to a receiver, opens our door, opens the garage door. That's a simple device. It's one of the simplest radio devices we have.

Yeah. And that's infinitely more complicated than what Leonardo was working with, and he was the smartest man in the world. Yeah, not that long ago. And he had probably, he could not extrapolate how that thing worked. That's a good point. If you gave him that he's the smartest man in the world, it would take him and the teams

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kick the thing, all of a sudden the engine goes and they realize that's the accelerator and these things, they can drive it around a a bit but they can't fucking build one save their lives for a long long time you have to be able to like machine a tube yeah they wouldn't even be able to figure out what the fuel is you have you have to refine oil you have to like make coolant hmm I wonder if the chemistry was even good enough for them to figure out that this is oil. Or if they found oil, they're like, oh, this weighs the same. And even that little bit of knowledge there

would have been an amazing advancement. If they knew that was from oil, you have to know it's from oil. Yeah, that's a good point, yeah. We don't have measurements small enough to work with some stuff. They're just like squishing whale fat in there. Well, that might work. Okay. That could probably be

better, maybe more cleaner. Yeah. When did we start distilling alcohol like, you know, for spirits that had to have been in the 1100s, like in China or something. It wasn't like, it wasn't like Roman times though, right? They didn't have like vodka. You know, I don't know when the first... Cause it's a bit more complicated process, but all I'm saying is that they would have a pure alcohol

maybe or whenever they invented that. And you can put that in engines, right? It doesn't run great. The strongest alcohol they had was wine. And then if you if you you can make Vodka from wine or still spirits from then hmm, but I don't know if Romans had they don't have they didn't have stills Stills came a lot. I heard they had that wine was like in the Greeks. It was real weak They it was more like a strong kombucha because they would drink it all day. Well, they drink it watered

They would drink it watered. Oh, they drink it watered. They would drink it watered. They could make a pretty strong spirit, but I think you can only make about 18% without getting into fermentation or distillation rather. Okay. You have to have the tools first, but yeah. So that's like chimpanzees trying to work out how to build a skyscraper.

Yeah. It'd be impossible. Take him a while. Take him a while. Come on, Bobo, You can do it a lot of bananas. Yeah, they need the incentives He's also coming out and written a book Discussed his book and then like the UAP investigation and disclosure and it's like a push for it. I like the more government people are pushing for, you know, just more of this information to come out.

When I was in Tennessee, which is where I was living up until recently, I went to like, Crawl Dad, a Crawl Dad like festival. Oh yeah. Because it was like those little like yeah, roosters from a river. Yeah. River bugs. Yeah. And first I had one first time I had this. Yeah, it's pretty good. You have a thousand, but they're good. It's a lot of it's a mess. It's a lot of work. Sticky fingers, but they had these like big troughs that we all ate out of and it was a great

little party that they put on near Knoxville this guy does it every year and it's so big that like the Congress people go and one of the Congress guys I forget his name I should have looked this up before the pod but my apologies it's kind of we run over here that's yeah yeah well he's one of the main guys in Congress or he may be a senator either one he's one of the main guys in Congress or he may be a senator, either one. He's one of the main guys that's like pushing for the classification of more UFO stuff.

So I had a chance to talk to him for just a brief second. And of course, that was the immediately what I would say. He looked like a bit of a nerd. He cornered him in other words. Talked like a bit of a nerd, but was very confident and had a super hot wife. So it turns out, uh, being a Senator and all Congress person is, is pretty dope. So you're saying if you're a nerd, just try to get into Congress. Chicks dig it. Yeah. Power. But yeah, he, and I could tell he like kinda wanted to get into it,

but he was so busy meeting everybody. He's like, ah, shit, I just got to shake all these hands. These guys, they don't have real human moments when they're out and about. They can't. Yeah, but he, he didn't deny it. He was full on. He was like, we're going to get that information out, son. I was like, Ooh, look at that. I'll vote for you. Um, turned them Democrat. We're not political. No, he's, he's a Republican. That dude is pretty sure. Yeah. It's Tennessee, Tennessee. All right. No, he's a Republican, that dude is. Of course. Yeah, he's Tennessee, dude. Tennessee.

All right. And then, yeah, I think the big thing is where the government's at on it. That's the bit I want to finish up with. It's like, okay, so if all this, we take it at face value, they know what it is. They, you know, they've seen them. We have a lot of footage on it, right right we've probably been trying to reverse engineer it I mean this ship was started before Bob Lazar so maybe they've had it since the 50s what Roswell was okay so 40s and what was it 1948 jeez I think it's three I think 43 wait

World War two was still going on I think so pre three. I think 43. Wait, World War Two was still going on. I think so. Pre nuke. Yeah, that's we're maybe we we'll check that out. Yeah, we'll do a fact. Well, you guys could look it up when we get a drink. We'll we'll look it up. We should know we're in New Mexico right now. We should have gone to Roswell for this episode. Lazy. Yeah, I did but all I ended up doing was a lot of math. Oh yeah. A lot of math. Now kind of got distracted. I got distracted, but you did then see UFOs.

I can confirm nor deny that it was. It's not declassified yet. It's a cute little town. It has a fun little, uh, alien museum down there. But we'll lovely art there too. What's interesting about that little alien museum is they run out of stuff for Roswell to kind of put on the walls real quick. It's mostly just like little models, the story of what happens they think, and then news articles. But then there's just rooms and rooms of what are those field circle things, crop, crop circles. Yeah. And then mostly from England.

And those have been largely debunked. Yeah. But there's some big wild ones. Who's doing the debunking people that don't want to look into it properly. No, there was a, there was a couple of guys that were like, we just have boards and we kneel down and show you how we do it. And they did it. I did. I did watch all that.

This is what I grew up on but the there are some that are before those guys okay after those guys there are some that are pretty massive yeah like ginormous and came overnight and would have had to take teams and teams and they're like kind of giving this binary message and there's some complex yeah they have they some of them are so mathematically complex that it's like, all right, it's a couple of guys drunk on cider are not going to be making that in the middle of the night. That's a good point.

That is a good point. But yeah, I just thought it was funny that that was the museum. They were just, you know, they were running out of space. They had to fill it up. But again, so the government has them, probably. We've been reverse engineering forever. 47, you're right, 47, 1947. I said 48, Bill, that's close.

That's close enough. So yeah, post-nuke, interesting. And also it's like, how much of the technology do we have now, just like all this, the computers and the soundboard and everything of the technology that we have now, just like all this, the computers and the soundboard and everything that we're using for the podcast, how much of parts of this came from, like microprocessors were invented since then.

I'm not saying that like everything that we've, we're very capable of inventing things, but we just build on top of other stuff. We all stand on the shoulders of giants. Of course. Like no, like you put the smartest guy in the world and on an island with nothing. How long is it going to take him to send an email? I'll never do it. Yeah. That was actually a Rogan joke from one of his specials. Shout out.

I thought it was good. Ultimately, this is a Rogan podcast. Well, yeah. So we got to pay respect and keep on track here. Daddy Rogan. So, um, yeah. So it makes you think. And again, when he said we can't release this information potentially as well, because there might be massive liable suits to come because maybe we gave some of the information to Boeing or Lockheed or any of the defense contractors but not other ones so they obviously got the advancements and these other companies went out of business and that's not how we do things in this country.

So it's going to be a brave move when they when they come out and say it but I feel like we're close. We're getting closer and closer. Again,'re close. We're getting closer and closer. Again, real close. And we're in the right spot in time and in this part of the country to watch it. Right, well look, I couldn't recommend this one enough.

I was super pumped listening to this, real exciting. I got phone calls from countless people that wanted to talk my ear off about it for like half an hour, which is really ironic because I only, my job requirement, well it's made up by me, but it's 45 minutes a week. I have had hours of conversation with people about this topic before I got to this. You better put in some overtime.

I, I'll give myself a raise. Let's talk to somebody about that. I'll take a raise as well. All right. Let's jump over to Jack Simms as I change the subject. You can have one more Zen. How about that? I'll take two and we'll call it even. I like it. So Jack was really interesting and this type of conversation is the, so he's a philosopher, animal rights guy, very smart dude as well. I liked him a lot.

Also apologies, Pete is on the squeakiest chair in the world, so if you're hearing that, it's just. My granddad made this chair. He's just, alright. Pete shifting around. I just farted and. Alright, fair enough. I'm sorry about that.

And yeah, I mean, he's a very intelligent guy. And what I like about these people that come on and often you'll see it, you'll see it in groups. Like if you get a bunch of lawyers together that are just having a beer, right? Maybe they're your friends or whatever. The people at the table that aren't lawyers when they're all lawyering out or just having a beer, right? Maybe they're your friends or whatever. The people at the table that aren't lawyers, when they're all lawyering out or just, you know, trying to sound super intellectual, other people kind of like

artificially step up that game and it changes the conversation. It's like almost a little fake. What I love about Rogan is they come in with his points, he push against things he doesn't like, and then he's still willing to just be like Oh, yeah, those dogs are ugly as fuck or like he just he just bring out that language and make a couple of jokes I'll bring it back down. I don't even know if it's Necessarily jokes. It's just how he talks. So he he's not trying to he won't change who He is or how he doesn't wait in out of his depth but

also he brings his own strengths the table yeah yeah it's you don't often I mean I don't want to say you don't often get to see it you do but these pods like this are a good example of what's going on and again you you know, Jack started off with bits of religion, the problems with new atheism, you know, religion in a lot of countries is on the decline and, you know, it might be their messaging. It's not exactly healthy for us as humans to divorce ourselves from religion, turns out. Yeah, and also, you know, it could be that they've been focusing on the wrong parts of the moralistic story that we should focus on. Like, maybe there are ways it can be taught that are updated for

modern society, the therefore more inclusive and then more appealing. We got to, we got to adapt ourselves. Exactly. And in the same way atheism is very much like it doesn't exist. Like you almost... It makes quite the claim. You need almost the same amount of faith. You need the same amount. And also there's zero evidence for... There's zero empirical evidence in my opinion for atheism or gods. Yeah I think it's I think it's fair to have your suspicion but to be absolute on it is a bit arrogant. Like I

think across the board if you have like a not agnostic feelings towards most things then that's just really open-minded. A little more healthy. Yeah I mean you can't be completely agnostic about it. It's like, is that a rock or is that a piece of paper? Well, you can see it's a rock. But like, be open to, well, I don't know. I haven't picked it up yet. Maybe it's one of those movie rocks that's just made of foam

to a light. Paper mache rock is paper. You can't. No, that's a good point, actually. You've brought that together. I'm on weed rock is paper. You can't know. That's a good point. Actually, yeah, you brought that together. I'm on weed. So I just think it's smart to kind of have a bit of that viewpoint.

I don't think it's damaging. It was interesting to hear. I haven't heard him talk to Jordan Peterson. I know Jordan's on this big kick right now with his lectures on religion and he really brings the stories to life and brings the value out of them which I think is good. It's more important to bring them to our day and age versus rule them right or wrong. We need to say what's the story mean and that's what I don't see him doing it in a religious way. I see him

doing it in just a mathematical way. Like, Oh, this is good for us. It's very analytical. You know, he breaks it down. Like the, you know, we've all, we all know the, what is it? Noah and the whale and Noah and the flood myth. No, what's the whale one? Oh, is that Jonah? That's a Jonah shit. Jonah and the whale, right? It's like just a story where a guy got swallowed and it's all I ever know about it. You hear Jordan talk about it and it just talks about this.

Like what does it mean? All the different parts of like rebirth and all the ideas that come with it. I can't do it justice, but hubris. Oh, he does it in a great way. He, it, it, it changes what it means. And then you get to see, Oh, that can be applied in a very philosophical way to my life. And that's probably how people understood these stories in the past. And nowadays they're just kind of lost. You go to church and it's, you know, if it's a Catholic church, the guy's just rambling on in Latin. It's a Catholic church. You can't see over the hat in front of you. So you just It's Latin anyway

That's a good point and then Mostly it's a bit of a cross fit workout where you just up down up down kneeling up down Is that what cross pit came from it did? Yeah, it has a very religious base people don't know but Wikipedia Will tell you it's where God meets a garage door and a big tire and does does uh, what are the not chin ups? What's those burpees? No, where they like pull themselves way up above the fucking muscle ups. Yeah, that's it. Well, the CrossFit's renowned for doing really terrible pull ups. So yeah, don't just do a proper pull-up, everybody. Just swinging around.

Yeah. So I mean, I think it's important what Jordan's doing. And I also think it's important that people like Jack talk to him and kind of get to the base of things. I mean, the question Jack kept bringing up is why the perfect god thing doesn't exist, especially with evolution, is why did, you know, three billion years of basically animal and or life suffering need to happen before we got to the consciousness of homo sapien.

And then hundreds of thousands of years before we got to Jesus. And now we can have the religion that we were all supposed to follow? We all settled on? It was like one of four major ones? Why did there need to be so much suffering for so long if it's perfect? And that's the problem that people get with religion is they say, if there's a God that got a bone to pick with him, so therefore I will not have any.

And that's what I think Jordan does well is takes what we have all known as societies forever and puts it into language that helps us and is useful. Right. And you know, that's the key there. I think, I mean, imagine if there was a type of teaching through the Bible, like coming from Jordan, for people that were like, yeah, I'm not going to be religious, but I want to learn the philosophies that are in there that are useful. Yeah, like we said, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, so we can see further and we can work further. Yeah, you've got to be careful about throwing the baby out

with the bath water sometimes. Right. And in the same way, I'd wanna listen to atheists and be like, what's their theories? How good is this? My best. I want them both to have really good philosophies and theories.

They do. You don't want any shitty philosophy getting into your brain cause then you're just like I'm in a cult I think what Jordan does is you admit and Jack does too is he's Evaluating it smarter than us Letting us making them into tools that we can use. Yeah, and it is important to outsource some Parts of thinking to people much smarter than us.

You know? That's the sign of intelligence. If Elon is dropping some philosophy on economics, I'm not gonna pretend I know more than that. He fucking invented PayPal. I'd be like, uh. Try to get to Mars and you're on your third wink. Yeah.

Of the morning. Of the morning. Just depressing. Of the morning. Of the morning. Just depressing. Let's just like there's not even enough on Netflix to keep me entertained. What about the free speech discussion? Let's let's start to wrap up with that. That was interesting. Then we hit the animal rights and the hunter discussion he had. It's an interesting one because Jack brought up, he went to the mothership and obviously comedians there, comedians in general, are about free speech, which they should be.

They should be aggressively on the side of free speech because it's a big part of making humor. If it's not a little controversial, it's a big part of making humor and if it's not a little controversial, it's not funny. Yeah, of course. Right. G- comedians getting canceled is a big problem. Um, well for comedy, it's a big problem. It's a big problem for the human race. Generally. I agree. Yes. And, um, but more so for comedians is what I'm saying. Cause it's like, they're really stuck if they don't have that type of freedom. But we need them.

We need them. Everybody needs them. So the comedians were talking to him and he didn't say who, but I'd imagine it was Hinchcliffe there holding a little debate because he would like that. And probably others, but- Hinchcliffe's probably the sharpest tack in the bunch. Yeah, he's a very smart guy.

And you know, they're saying, hey, we heard what's going on in England. People getting arrested for tweeting this and this. Sharpest tack in the bunch. Yeah, he's a very smart guy and you know, they're saying hey we heard what's going on in England people getting arrested for tweeting this and this and Jack's understanding of it is that it hasn't been that many people That's what I hear from my friends in England. At least that's that understanding of it Weirdly we get kind of different. It's just wrong. We yeah, maybe they're keeping it quiet Maybe the BBC is like in bed with the government now. Who knows? I mean, I've kind of lost quite a bit of faith in the BBC in

the last, probably, I don't really since COVID. Since Mr. Bean. Can we believe anything now? Come on. Speaking of Mr. Bean, did you see Rowan Atkinson's response to that? It was a couple of years ago now. To what? Rowan Atkinson has a model. He gives a speech where he defends free speech. Nice. And he's a darling of England.

Yes. Therefore he's protected. Oh, legend. Under any free speech laws. Yeah. But that's not accorded to the lorry driver in Bristol. Right. And that's that's a point too, that I want to touch on. So he talks about this guy, this northern guy that is about to have I think he's from Leeds, maybe he's working class. He's about to have an interview with Peterson. Oh, and no, and he's, he's controversial, you know, he's not about the immigration problems and the rest of it gets labeled heavily far right. And is seen to like stir things up. And you know, Jack is kind of talking back and forth with Rogan about like is this Okay, like is this the problem and Rogan's like well, this is free speech. This is what it looks like you hear things you don't want to and

Jack's trying to think of it in the Philosophical standpoint of like yeah, but is there value to this? Other than stirring up hatred and is there is there ever a reason that stirring up hatred can be justified? The question with free speech always gets back to it works like anytime it's limited, it only works for the people who are agreeing with that limitation. But who's getting to decide? books for the people who are agreeing with that limitation. Okay. Who's getting to the side?

It's all fine and good when it's like mostly your side working for your story. Right. But the moment you speak out because you're saying something you don't like and it's all getting crushed, that's when it's a real problem. We saw a lot of that in the US and I think in other parts of the world during covered the people that were not bought and sold on all this stuff, realized real fast, Oh, I might not have free speech anymore. This keeps going and I want to and it's important.

We need it. We are. And it affects democracy. And you could argue that once you don't have free speech. You don't have democracy Yeah, yeah, I would say so if you guys like saying we want to say on Instagram to whomever you want to say it Yeah, they're like pulling better watch out what Sam group chats and getting them in trouble and you guess what the guy who was Pioneer telegram, Pavel something in jail free speech advocate in jail because he wouldn't let

people access or he hit, he was a barrier to access to his information. Well, I was talking to somebody yesterday and I haven't looked into him. I haven't like really followed this. somebody yesterday and I haven't looked into him. I haven't like really followed this. But what they were saying to me was that he isn't doing anything to stop people on that platform that are like terrorists and like the illegal activity. He's not stopping that.

So that's part of why he got arrested. I don't know. Like, please don't think that this is me saying this is what it is. But again, you know, without looking into him, this was the feedback that I got from somebody else. And I'm not saying that I always agree with that person either, but I'm like, okay,

maybe there's some nuance here as well. But I do know that Elon spoke out about this and is not impressed by what they did to this gentleman. And he said it's a, it's a bad precedent. And also Zuckerberg was even brave enough to release that letter not that long ago saying very middle of the road letter. Well, yeah, he is very, which is like like he's not a controversial guy I liked it and he's not looking to upset people but if you look at some of his

actions recently he's getting bolder yeah showing up at the UFC's you know what I mean hanging out with Dana White growing a beard surfing for Fourth of July to born in America born in the USA drinking a beer like wearing a chain like he's he's, he's switching. He's like, you know what? I'm rich enough. Let's, let's see. Let's see if I can be a bit cool for a while.

I think where, like, if you ask me. I'm asking you. He's getting it from Elon. I'm asking you. I think, I think where he got it was from Elon. Also from getting punched in the face a bunch. He got punched in the face? He's training.

Oh yeah. He's getting tough. He's hardening himself because he sees a detriment in himself. So he's like, where am I weak? Let me get strong there. And as you get strong, you get braver. Right. You think he did like a Facebook survey

and it was 98% nerd and he's like, damn it, I wanna be a bit cool. Well, it's wrong because he's a hundred percent nerd. No, he's, I'd say, I'd say he's dropped a few nerd points with me. He looks like a, but anyway, back to the letter, back to the letter, you know, he's saying I didn't like the way the government, you know, overreached with Biden. What did he say? I'm, I'm, uh, I'm reluctant to admit that we did acquiesce to the government's inquiries

and requests to suppress certain objects and it was that stuff related to the election? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brave. It was a brave move, dude. Yeah, more respect to him. And we'll see if he continues with this. I hope he does. I think he will. And, uh, yeah, I really don't think he liked that. And it, and it lost, it took a lot away from the trust that you could put in him and his companies, honestly. So to hear this, I'm like, all right, I mean, look, we're all on Instagram. So as much as we give him a hard time,

we're still using all this shit, making a wrench, but it doesn't help that we were not liking him and trusting him. I mean, also, if you look at his Instagram, his numbers have gone through the roof. He had like a couple of million, but he wasn't like popular on the platform. And now it's like, I think at like 18, it's much bigger. People like people that have conviction. He's getting more real. Yeah we like we like people that have something to live for it, something to die for, something to talk about. And I guess that's

philosophy? No I think something to fight for. You can't just have that corporate talk all the time. And we have to fight for America. If you want to be everybody's friend you can't be mine. I don't trust that. You got to fight for something. You got to at least have a couple of enemies. Because if you don't, you've never fought hard for something you believe in. I believe that's valid. Yeah, I mean a lot of crowd pleases out there, dude. I want to play a little bit from Jack though, just talking about the multiverse and other things and then maybe we'll get to Russell Crowe. Finish up with that. You want to do some Russell? Yeah let's get to Russell.

Alright let's do it. Alright. He deserves it. Hang in there folks. Like Einstein tells us and this is let's bring in the multiverse for this too right? Einstein told us that space is like stretchable, right? So it expands. So we have the moment of the Big Bang and the universe or existence as a whole, we might say, space and time, evolves according to the law of inflation. So we keep getting a bigger and bigger area of space. And some physicists think that this inflation happens eternally, that it isn't reasonable to say that it just stopped as soon as our universe was created, or one or

two later. So what you have is this popular view in physics where you keep getting more and more of these universes and end up with a popular multiverse view, where every single possible physical reality is realized. So there's worlds, according to this view, where we're having this conversation in Spanish, or God forbid, French, right? Or there's a very nearby possible world where we're having this conversation in Italian, German, or Japanese, right? Exactly the same words, exactly the same pauses, infinitely. There are worlds, though. And I think the real question we want to ask, there are a bunch of these multiverse views.

We spoke at the start about the purpose of philosophy, Mary Midgley clarifying these concepts. This is an idea my friend Ellie Robson convinced me of recently, that it's a really important job with philosophy. We haven't done a good job in physics and philosophy of defining the multiverse. We keep using the word, but you've had Sean Carroll on the show, he's fantastic, and I've spoken to him about his many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. You've got views in philosophy that give you every single metaphysical possibility.

The easiest one to illustrate is just this inflation model that I've just given. But what we really want to know is why this matters. Does this change the value of the world? Because there are universes where? Little girls are born then torture for their whole lives. They're executed and repeats, right? There are universes where Matt Damon's career didn't get worse, but it got better, right? So there are good One question is why the dig on Matt Damon. Matt Damon. It got worse. I think he's doing all right.

It went downhill after. After the bonds. Oh, I was gonna say after team America. War police. Matt Damon. Which he seems like a nice guy. No, I like. Why did he dig on it?

I like Jack though, because there were two great digs in there. One, heaven forbid we speak French. And the French French went straight over Joe's head, you know, but he's talking to a philosopher. He's paying attention. British. So it's dry. Yeah, it is a very British thing to say, but that is funny. I like the French and then just finishing on Matt Damon, but the whole thing,

exactly what he's saying, the multiverse. I mean, that's always been the thing. And the thing for me is like, it just seemed like a bit of an easy out and I didn't know why. Obviously I don't know the math, I don't know why physicists get there. There is this hole, I guess, in their calculations

that they can fill by saying there are infinite realities and every single divergent point. So like right this second, there's also an infinite divergent points that happen. There's one different thing and that almost breaks off to be a whole new universe and et cetera, et cetera. And therefore there's ones that are just all hellish landscapes.

There's joy ones. And I guess it kind of works for this missing piece of math. The problem there is, and he's talking about what your purpose is or what your moral drive is or why we should learn to be good or bad or just why we exist at all. When you add in the complexity of all of those things, it really does take away from the point of any action at all.

Or does it give it infinite value? It depends on your worldview and your pain. How could it give us infinite value? Because I see it giving me value by saying my Naxions currently will have better outcomes for myself in the future and potentially if this is true spawn Infinite positive outcomes from this you can't tell the outcome from an action. It could cause a tsunami in Japan again Again, but also it could cause the creation of a new Symposium of intelligence or yeah, I guess it doesn't change the value of being a good person or that's and learning to be better and help others and ultimately you're Making the world a better place and existence and so forth but that idea that he gave like that there's universes out there where it's just

But that idea that he gave like that there's universes out there where it's just young girls being born and murdered and tortured and all the rest of it. I think they call that the Sudan. I'm sorry. But you know, it just kind of, I don't know, it really messes with my head to think of that idea. It's very kind of abstract. Like we really can't make sense of something like that. But I'm hopeful just because it messes with my head that physics and mathematics get to a

point where they're like, oh yeah, that wasn't right. We've filled that hole. We have the whole calculation. It's us. You and I need that stuff. I'm not saying that to make us seem more special. I just don't want to believe that there are all those horrible ones. I don't want to believe that hells exist, kinda. I think that- It's bad enough here sometimes. Oh my goodness, hell is on earth.

But I think that that is, it's like I've said it before, that's a rich man's mind experiment, thought experiment. We all have to live in this today here and now. That's a good point. Let's not confuse ourselves. And that's kind of goes back to Jordan Peterson's stuff. It's like, well, I mean, what can I do for me and for you right now with what I've got?

A new community. Yeah. Right. Yeah. All right. He was great. I liked Jack. I liked that conversation. Hopefully he right. Yeah. All right. He was great. I liked Jack. I liked their conversation. Hopefully he gets, comes back on. Uh, I like his style. We didn't really hit the animal rights bits, but, uh,

ultimately what was cool there is Joe got to discuss why he became a hunter. They didn't, you know, argue in any nasty way. Is Jack a vegetarian? I mostly vegan ish yeah. Wasting away. But there was, it was a good way for a hunter and an animal rights person to communicate. And we can learn a lot from that. It was really cool.

There was like respect on both sides of that table. You know what I mean? Even if they don't fully agree with each other. What I like about Joe is he's a multimillionaire, but he can, but- That's what I like about him too. I love that about him. It's the best.

But then he can come in contact with another billionaire, like Elon, and meet him where he is and talk with him, or he can come in contact with another person that who he thinks has power over him with his mind. This's a genius, you know and meets him where he is to yeah Well, dude, he brings on basically like up-and-comer Comedians that are just above open micas and broke right and he has very respectful conversations with that He's not holding he doesn't seem to be just look down on people if you're willing to have a real conversation.

And so when I hear people describe Joe Rogan's podcast as like far right, blah, blah, blah, or bro talk, I just say you've never listened to it. Yeah. You've all honestly don't know. It is some bro talk. Well, bless it because that's the only kind of talk that I can get with. It's the best. I mean, just a couple of bros.

Yeah, but this far right stuff is like relaxed, dude. Easy, doesn't it? I mean, barely right. That's not correct at all. No, but that word is so overused and it's just pathetic. It cheapens the conversation. Yeah, anyway, let's jump over to Russell Crowe. Let's finish up there. What did you think of the guy? Number one, fucking legend. Oh, him? Yeah. Legend. Legend, dude. How many times have you seen gladiator? 1718 now it revs me up every I used to do it. Like it would happen often if I just had like a lazy day where I was all to myself and I just

didn't want to do anything else. You're massively hungover and needed to cry. I can't tell you how many times that I would say. There were two movies dude. Denzel Washington, Man on Fire, Legendary, or Gladiator. A man fighting for his family but in Gliator asada because they were already killed there But he's still fighting for him. He was in his own way. Well, he was yeah Yeah, he was you is the vengeance movie or what? What would you call that kind of movie? It's not so much revenge. It's just like Weirdly like anger and honor Historical fiction on this it's more so like this story of just the power within a man.

Like he's undeniable as a human. It's like you could throw him in and make him a slave. He still comes back and becomes that general. He's always the general, no matter even how he feels. And that's people We all have those capabilities some people few well the other ones are Less yeah, they don't listen to Jordan. They're in the army The ones that run first no the not anymore all right

But yeah amazing movie and I mean that there's so many beautiful minds. They talked about what's that la confidential? Tell me oh la confidential. What's that? LA Confidential. Tell me, oh LA Confidential, that's a good one. Cinderella Man. You didn't see that in the box though. Cinderella Man, is he in a beautiful mind? No, that's, he's in a beautiful mind, isn't he? Yeah, he's the crazy mathematician dude.

He's the main guy. That thinks he's in the conspiracy. And yeah, I mean, he's basically been the main guy in every movie since LA confidential I like that. He didn't have the ego that I would associate with him he was like I Get stuff that I want to do. I don't get stuff to get paid Well, he talked about being a fat guy that smokes a lot Often on the pod. He's like, yeah, he wasn't trying to make

himself out to be the guy, but with that fucking Zealander, what is he an awesome? He's a Kiwi, isn't he? Yeah, he's Kiwi. Oh, Kiwi. Yeah. No, they're solid. The good people find strong people. He, um, yeah, I love just joking. New Zealand's awesome. I love the stories when it came to just like his training and like him looking into Noah with the dude, the story of him when he was in Rome in the store buying a watch and he gets out and the streets are lined and the police are there with the guns and he asked one of the cops, he's like, why what's going on here? And they're like, you are gladiator.

Or whatever they said. Yeah, and then they will start chanting, Maximal, Maxilliety. Yeah, dude. How it came. And he was like, that's when I realized things were different. How sick is that?

Oh my goodness. Dude. What's the line? He could show up to, oh. The husband to a murdered wife. Maximus Decimus Meridius. And then he just goes into it. What's the line, what's the line?

Tell me the line. Oh, I can't remember, yeah. It was like, husband to a murdered wife, father to a murdered son. And the loyal general of the true emperor, Marcus Lurelius. So something similar to that. It's so good though. It should be memorized by everybody.

And I feel ashamed that I don't know it. We're gonna memorize this for next time. That happened in Spain, I think, right? Is that what that? No, they call him the Spaniard. Spaniard. Because he was from Spain, but it's when Rome had taken over Spain, so he was a general from that.

A general from a province in the Roman Empire. Because that's where he had his farm. But he was constantly, you know, battling. Called to battle, because he was the best against those flippin' Gauls. So good. This French. Well, he was fighting the Germanians in that first battle.

Yes, that's a historic Germanians in that first battle. Yes. That was a, that's a historic battle that was. Oh yeah. I think recently been unearthed. They found it. When he comes out, that first guy, remember he has the head. Octu!

And he's like, yeah. He's like, Octu, Octu, Octu! He almost is like Scottish. But that's how a lot of the languages were back then. Unintelligible. Scottish drill. And then they just wrecked them. So good. So many great lines and just so much like here's the thing about him as a character. So few people could have pulled that off and remember it was it was historical, but it was an action movie to you have to put it in a category of like Troy

and but it was an action movie too. You have to put it in a category of like Troy and you know, Brad Pitt was excellent in Troy, but there was never any talk of him getting an Oscar. Like Russell Crowe won an Oscar for this. This is the extra bit that he brought. I don't wanna take anything away from what Brad does. I think he's excellent too. Like that's undeniable. Dude, Brad's excellent.

Fight Club, you shut your mouth. Everybody just punched me. Yeah, he just punched me. And, and uh, but, but there was just elements to what Russell brought to the table for that role that you were just like, oh my God, like you don't ever, they had so many great actors in that. I mean, Joaquin Phoenix was in it. The guy's amazing. And Russell Crowe's performance outshined everybody by far, I think. The gladiator instructor, he recently died. That gentleman that was like his like... The huge Russian looking...

No, the older guy that was like training them to be gladiators. Oh, Proximo. The slave master. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He recently died in a drinking contest. Legend.

I think we talked about this. I can't remember, it was in Europe somewhere, maybe in like Spain or something. You know what's ironic about that? Is in the movie he talks about how you die, like and that's what makes you the man. Uh-huh. And that's how he did it. He was a gladiator.

It sounds like it. Tough. Well, Russell Crowe, that was actually a really great podcast. I wasn't expecting to be wowed, but I'm more of a fan of his than I was. Yeah, it was really cool to hear him slowing down. He's doing his interviews from his like ranch area

because of COVID. They've set all that up. He doesn't have to travel as much. He spent a ton of time with his father, you know, and family during COVID on his ranch and go. Australia, right? I think so. Yeah. It's like in the bush somewhere out there, but he, he spent it with him, you know,

in the last years of his life, which that probably means so much to him. As a man that's, if you're, got your wits about you, that's just about the most important thing. Yeah. And you could imagine once you become like an A-lister, it's like the world dictates you even though it seems like you're on top of it, but they're all doing it. It's you following the money. They tell you, go here, you've got a new film, you do millions and millions and you just keep going. The fact that he got that chance to slow down, it sounds like it's changed how he does things in the future. He's more selective about what roles he picks. He takes more time with things. You know, he's not forgetting to spend time with the people that he cares about and

you know, not's not forgetting to spend time with the people that he cares about and, you know, not, not letting Hollywood dictate his, his whole thing. Also, one thing he did talk about, which I'm hopeful for, it doesn't sound like he's going to quit smoking, but well, it does sound like he was talking about wanting to get in shape. Like he's done those roles, you know, the fat guy decade. He's a fatty now. I would love to see him just get shredded again. Just get shredded. Do Spartacus maybe.

You right, do all the stuff. Come back, like if the new gladiator two movie that comes out, that's really good. Come on. They hopefully it will be. There's nothing good now. We don't know, but let's say it is and they get a budget for the third

and somehow they managed to just bring him back jacked in like 65 they could pull it off. Yeah and he could too. It wouldn't be easy but they could do it. He could do it he could be Proximo. Yeah he's he yeah the future Proximo. He could be Aurelius he could be Marc Anthony he could be anybody. But instead of being like the Proximo that just talks he still comes out and whoops some Anthony. He could be anybody. But instead of being like the proximal that just talks, he still comes out and whoops some ass. He's like, it's like babes there. That's how it goes. He just has lines like still got it.

It's just super cheesy, but everyone loves it. Are you not entertained? It was cool to hear about his farm too. How bad ass would that be to have all your own cows and kangaroos coming in just wrecking the place? Well, I snipe them. Don't you wallabies? Get some dogs. Are there wallabies in Australia? Yeah. Oh, what are the other ones? The small kangaroo little groundhogs?

Uh, wombat's wombat's. Yeah, they in Australia. I think so. The Tasmanian devil is a New Zealand creature Wasn't it from Tasmania? Of course That's a South of Australia This is I thought it was in New Zealand New Zealand's up and south and Tasmania's just below Australia. Oh That's it. That's a whole different island. It's just a little bitty island. Oh shit. Has me only on that island. I think they're probably a, is that the most dangerous island in the world?

Sounds like it is with those fucking things running around. Oh, those things are just cute little critters. They're, you know, they're no, no, no big deal at all. Oh yeah. It's like a badger, like a third of the size of a bad. What am I thinking of the Wolverine? That's a pain in the ass, right? Yeah, that's we got tiny and they they do some damage Those are up here in the frigid north of Montana and Canada and such. Oh fair enough. Okay, we're getting off track I think well look listen to this one great week of pods I

Love them anything else to add Peter no, thank you very much. It's nice to be down here in New Mexico with you. Yeah, it's good to be in person. We should do this all the time. Let us know if this is way better or way worse or? Send us an email. Just everyone says worse, 99%. Come on.

Shit. A lot of critics out there. We've got to stop throwing polls on this stuff. All right. Thanks, guys. We'll talk to you next week. Bless you. Bye.

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