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Episode Date: October 6, 2024

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I've been practicing. And Sean Ryan, the legend that is Sean Ryan. Really excited to have him on Rogan's podcast. I mean, I've listened to a lot of Sean Ryan's podcasts and yeah, interesting guy. It's obvious to me why his show has got so big and he has just his own style that's solid. So to get these guys together, I was like, oh, this is gonna be a good good little chat. But Yeah back to Chimath so One of the early execs that at Facebook

It was there from 2007 to 11 It's really like key time to be there. I think Facebook started like 2004 or something So, I mean by the time he got there, they were really making some airway. I'm sure they paid him a bunch of stock and yeah, obviously he's worth a ton of money today, billion plus. Originally born in Sri Lanka. So yeah, coming over to, I think he said he went to Canada first and then got to the US, but either way, I mean, to be worth over a billion now would make him, I think, the wealthiest Sri Lankan person, as far as I can tell.

Yeah, let's see. What's his net worth? You got to speak up. This is one of my favorite things to Google about people. Oh, networks. What does it say? 1.2 billion. It's a lot of money.

It's a lot of money. It's a lot of freaking money. Interesting guy too. Smart guy. Definitely a smart guy. They started their conversation just talking about Twitter and threads, you know, and what the difference is. I mean, threads looks a lot like Twitter really. When it first came about, I was like, what is this Twitter ripoff? Yeah. To be honest, I've never used Twitter. Never had one.

Even with my work in marketing and social media, I just never got the appeal. Like just felt like it was a lot of just people's like random thoughts. Like, I mean, I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but when Facebook's first came out, like people would do that. They'd post like their statuses and like, it was just like random streams of thought that people had. And now it like comes up. It's very cringe worthy for me.

Like comes up like, oh, 12 years ago you posted this. I'm like, what was I, what was going through my head? I don't, why did I feel the need to share this with the internet, right? You're like tired and gassy. Literally, I was just like the most random things. You know, I was, yeah, it was like new and exciting and like, oh, you get to share your thoughts

with the internet world, right? All these people. And now definitely my content's more curated. You know, you know when I stopped using it and I really didn't use Facebook very much at all. I was kind of a late adopter to it compared to some of my friends. I mean it was 22, 23, I mean that's like prime social media using age and it was newer. So everyone was on it. And I just couldn't believe how all of my friends were using this thing. They kept wanting to share things with me and I just never set one up.

So eventually I did it. It was like 2006 probably. I was like fine, I'll get this set up. And, um, it, all of a sudden there was this thing where you could poke people. And somebody that I knew, yeah, somebody I knew from back in England, just like poked me at no message, no nothing. I didn't even know what it was. I asked my buddy Ash, I was like, what's this poking thing? They're like, oh, they're just like, you know, it's like, they're thinking about you or whatever it was. I can't remember what he said. And I remember then

just going, I don't think I'm going to use Facebook anymore. I don't know why it bothered me that much, but it just like, I lost all interest and I basically never went back to it. Yeah. The poking thing. I remember. And it being like when someone you'd like, it was like the first step after you added a friend, like a new friend that like you met, they were a friend of a friend or something.

It was like, if they wanted to interact with you, they poke you like, Oh, hi. Like I'm thinking, you know, there we should engage in some way with each other, right? Like through messaging or tag me in some, or whatever, like all the things you could do. But funny, you talk about your age. I probably joined in 2007. I think I had to lie about my age. I think I lied.

I think I was only like 11. And I said I was 13 or whatever the minimum was. And, you know, I didn 13 or whatever the minimum was. And you know, they, I had to, I didn't even have an email address. I had to like make an email address in order to get on Facebook. And I remember it being this like whole new world and going from MySpace, which I just got down,

like mastering MySpace, like how to build my, you know, my page and all that, and all your top friends and all that. Like then you go to this like whole new world that's Facebook and there's poking and there's messaging and there's like, you know, all this other stuff that's going on and that was a very exciting time for me, I have to admit.

But it evolved a lot over the years and then they came out with Instagram in 2010, I believe was Instagram. I think so. It's been around a while and and that was like a kind of a game changer because it was like there was just like less to manage like your profile was less in depth. It was really more just like curated content like to like paint this picture of who you were and the things you liked. And but the thing about Instagram is there's like a limit on your text on like the amount of characters you can put and you have to post an image. So you have to have that. And like the image is like the forefront of your post. And so then I think threads has come

along and it's been sort of like a hybrid between the two where it's like there's comments and there's you can tag people and you there's you know businesses and there's media outlets and there's all these things but like you don't have to have an image you can have something to say and sort of post a supporting image you know. Right. And I kind of like it like I, I like the dynamic, like, mix that's on threads, honestly. I think that Instagram is the most usable and easily usable social media. So it just takes the least amount of work. Yeah.

Right. And I guess it, TikTok's a bit like that too. I mean, you can just consume, consume, consume, consume. But if you want to add back to TikTok, you've got to put a bit more energy in than if you do Instagram. Instagram, I mean, we're all kind of taking pictures on our phones. So everyone has something to upload if you want. And if you don't want to, you can just look at everyone else's shit all the time. And I think threads is, and I barely use the bit, it's just trying to be a different type

of version of that, you know, but more engaging in the kind of conversational aspect of it. Like a bit of back and forth. Like let's get some dialogue going over here. But it's got a long way to go to get in the way of what Twitter is. I mean, Twitter users and the people that have delved hard into that, I mean, it's not as many people, I don't think, as Instagram. Again, because it's just so much easier to interact with without coming up with clever pithy things to say. But there are a lot of people that die hard Twitter. And a lot of people use it to get their information, to like see where the tide is going politically

or where the winds are blowing. Yeah, and I can see it when it comes to like, even when you think of like disasters and things like that that are happening around the world, like, you know, Hurricane Helene that just happened. It's like news outlets can post quick updates to something like Twitter without taking a photo and having like quality photo media content to go with it. It's like, we don't necessarily need to see it, although it is quite eye catching when you see photos of what's happening.

So that's where you're saying it. You can put photos and videos on Twitter as well. But you don't have to. And that's well, like, you know, from a marketer standpoint, like when you look at a business and you have all these platforms that you can use, Instagram, it's like if you're not going to invest in high quality videography and photography and like, you know, content, like in that sense, then Instagram doesn't work necessarily for you and your business.

And that's where Facebook and Twitter possibly are better. So yeah, I mean, they're all, they all have sort of this, their own like audience, but I guess maybe I need to get on Twitter because I've never done it. I never had one. It's it's interesting. I'll tell you that. And it's, and it's worth having and checking in on every now and again, just to

see where the energy is like, Oh, what's everyone getting into right now? And you know, obviously you can kind of Google who are the top 30 accounts to follow to kind of really keep your finger on the pulse of like what they're all discussing? Obviously Elon is one of the bigger ones. I was going to say, I'm sure he is. He just broke 200 million followers on that. So he's the most followers on that.

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It's kind of leans into the next bit they were getting into is they were talking about kids in school today and how they don't really separate skill levels or gifted classes or you know in England we called them sets so you'd be in set one if you were the best at math and there would be like maybe six sets of math that you could be in and Um, and you know, it's like participation stuff. It's like, we don't want kids to feel dumb or feel left out. And, but it does take away from the type of education that you could get. I mean, I remember being really proud as a kid. I got put in the second set of German, of three sets.

And it was one of the few sets I wasn't in set one of. I just wasn't that good at foreign language. So it was appropriate. But I remember working so hard all year. I told my teacher I wanna go to set one next year. And she said, all right, well, this is what you'll have to do to get there. And I like put all the work in to get,

I didn't even like German. I just didn't wanna be in the second set. It annoyed me. Yeah. So yeah, but it, but it's like, it kind of doesn't matter what your motivation is. Yeah. And some of what they're saying is like, oh, for example, like California has some school things set up where they're not requiring like basic skills, you know, even being able to read after high school because they, you know, they say it's like systemic racism or it's going to make people feel bad if they can't get there. How about we raise that standard or just figure out a better way to educate.

Where did that get lost? Because I mean, that used to be a huge part of it. You used to have to take reading comprehension tests, like, so at what point did that become? I think the education just, you know, it was getting worse or parents aren't spending as much time with their kids. Areas of the country that were poor are getting either poorer or just, you know, kids are getting more and more distracted. Yeah, I was going to say, I wonder at what point, you know, social media has played a role in that and things like Instagram where it's like, you can consume media with almost without reading

anything. Like you can consume news by watching a video of it rather than having to read about it. Well, you know, and I think in a lot of ways people are working more. Like if you've got a single mother that has two jobs, like she doesn't have time to come home and read with their kids. She's like able to feed them, cook for them. And, you know, and this isn't rare in the U.S. Like it isn't rare. There's a lot of households like this.

And, you know, it just takes a ton of this energy. So kind of going back to that, like specialization of classes, things like gifted classes and things like this, and potentially even the role that social media can play in this, you know, it's like, obviously social media is a bit of a break. It's not like education, but how China does TikTok is way more education for the kids. And here is just dancing videos. Like they actually make it different there, which is wild.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they don't wanna poison their own kids. Top Twitter accounts, we know Elon Musk is first. Guess who's second? Taylor Swift. No, good, good guess. Barack Obama. Oh, Barack.

And then Christiano Ronaldo, who I think he's the most followed person on Instagram. I believe so. And then number four is Justin Bieber. This is as October of 2024. Five is Rihanna. Five, six, Katy Perry. Katy Perry Katy Perry, yeah

Seven I mean nothing nothing against Katy Perry. No, I see her being up there necessarily Rihanna either but I don't know and then seven I'm gonna butcher this Narendra Modi 14th Prime Minister of India and then number eight is Taylor Swift number nine is Donald Trump Damn just beat her. She just beat him like that much. That's interesting. And then 10 is Lady Gaga. 11 is NASA.

And then, you know, there's some other really interesting ones in the top 50, but. Well, I think that kind of says a little bit about what Twitter is as well. Because there you've got government institution, a prime minister, for one, an ex-president, and two ex-presidents, obviously celebrity singers, and world-class sportsmen, and then the richest guy in the world, who also owns that company. So, but I think with Instagram,

it's like just celebrities are at the top. I guess all those guys are celebrities. But then you think about these major news outlets, CNN is 21, New York Times is 24, BBC is 31. So it's like, you know, where is the most media coming from? It's not coming from like genuine meeting outlets, it's from these like individuals and celebrities. And anyways, I just find that stuff so

interesting. I'm amazed that CNN is so high up there. You think? Well yeah, nobody's watching that crap anymore. That's what they're doing on Twitter. They're only popular on Twitter now, that's it. That's all they got left. That's hilarious. That is, that's interesting. Well I I think that, I think back to, you know, the kind of combined possibilities of what social media could become to be very useful is like a clearer education tool, right? And it's like, it kind of is because we are getting our news from it, whether we like it or not. And if they could clean that up, that would be the trusted destination for news. Twitter is for a lot of people. Instagram, you got to take it with a grain of salt because you don't know what you're getting and what's true.

But there are people on there doing those little clip video news things now. I follow a few of them and they're getting better. They're interesting and they've got a lot of freedom, which makes it fun. And you know, at what point, you know, how far could you expand with that? Maybe there could just be really interesting little pages that pop up that are just education. And you know, this kind of goes back to, I think public education is failing a lot of kids. That's why they have these systems where kids are getting out of school and they can't read. And I think

homeschooling is gonna get more popular. It's just a theory but I think people are gonna start taking education into their own hands for their kids just through fear that their kids aren't gonna figure it out. Yeah, I mean that being said I also think the ability to homeschool is a privilege that not everyone is going to have either. So probably these same people, you sort of hypothesize, okay, this, this single mother individual with two jobs, like she's not able to help her kids even exceed, you know, succeed in public school.

So like, can that individual take on homeschooling or like, yeah, a hundred percent, you know, is that just, is it going to create even more of a gap as if homeschooling becomes more popular, will it just be more individuals that, you know, have the ability to even help their children succeed more so in public schools and they're just taking their children out of that environment, you know? Um, and I mean, I'm not against any of the, like any, in any way, like I'm a big supporter of taking your children's education in your own hands, but like just not everyone

has the ability to do that and they're sort of at the will of the public education system. Right. But yeah, that's so unfortunate that there's students coming out, you know, going into the world, into the workforce, hypothetically, who can do basic skills like read or arithmetic. And, you know, yeah, I almost feel like AI teachers will be the way to go. Well, it's like you need you need encouraging individuals.

So if they, you know, filled the schools with encouraging individuals that did certain tasks, you know, like there's the principal that runs the school, that you've got the office, you've got other things, but then maybe everything else is some sort of like AI teacher that is infinitely patient, knows every student based on their ability to learn like what they're likely to get stuck on

and what they're not. They can spend extra time with them. Each student gets their own version of like their AI teaching avatar. Because if you look at private schools, ones you pay for or just schools that get really good results, they always classroom is with the fewer kids.

Right. And more technology, typically. And often kids that are at a similar level of intelligence so they can learn at a similar rate under the same lesson plan. Yeah, that's a really interesting thought. Like, what could AI do to actually accelerate our knowledge as a race?

You know, like, like you're saying, like being tailored to each individual, but like think about those students that do excel and can be leaps and bounds ahead of their peers in certain, you know, in certain curriculums, like in mathematics. Yeah, well, think about what a teacher could notice. So take, for example, this about what a teacher could notice. So take, for example, this hypothetical teacher, really good teacher, who cares a lot about his students, notices that one of his students is slightly a lot brighter than the others, spends the time to kind of test that out

at the maximum end of it, just to see, like give him math problems that are far beyond what he's capable of, but just see where he can go with it. I mean, that in a sense is a very unusual teacher. Someone you would hope is teaching your kids. They're the type of teachers that really change the game. And in my experience of all the different schools that I went to, I don't even have more than three or four, including the university of professors or teachers that stood out that I actually cared for. Most of them were shitty.

Yeah. I was going to say five to think about teachers that stood out for me, it was mostly teachers that I didn't get along with or that I didn't feel supported by. It was like I was, everyone else was sort of average, but there was definitely those that stood out that were bad teachers, you know, or bad. Bad human beings. Bad mentors, you know, where it's like, someone who, like, I will say, I was,

I think school naturally was kind of easy for me, but I was so bored all the time, and just so like hyperactive, and I never wanted to sit still, and like, you could give me any project to do that didn't involve sitting down and I would get a hundred percent I didn't have to like listen to the lesson or read the book like I just like got it but then you asked me to sit down and like write a paper or do like an essay test type thing and like I just physically couldn't

sit and finish it and so there were teachers that just didn't support that and then there were the ones that, you know, kind of got it and gave you some options. And those, I think, were where I felt comfortable. But there were never really any teachers that stood out to me as someone that was like tailoring my education to my learning style. Well, that's a good point to make,

because I think that's common for a lot of people. You didn't exactly go to necessarily bad schools either. It just was the result. Well, that's a good point to make because I think that's common for a lot of people. You didn't exactly go to necessarily bad schools either. It just was the result of the hand that you're dealt. Well, now imagine if no teachers ever give a shit about you. And the example I just gave, the teacher there only noticed the gifted person because he stood out as the smartest. Right.

But imagine if there was someone middle of the table and that could be your kid, right? It's just middle of the table. They also need their own tailored person, you know, some teacher that takes like an unusual interest in their ability to do something. Yeah. They just won't stand out like that. The resources will never exist. But if you have your little AI teacher that just you log into,

you interface with, it could identify, oh, these are the areas that they're really strong. They can graph it out or have everything as a computer program. So it's just like, OK, they're really strong here. They're weak here. This isn't good, so let's give them the minimum here. They're also not interested at all in anything that's not X, Y, and Z.

So let's really promote those things. And it's a very personalized tailored process. I think that you would get great results from even a very unexceptional student if they were given that kind of input. And I feel like we're close to it. I feel like it's a possibility. Yeah, so I just did a search, what's the cost per, you know,

the funding needed per student per, you know, in the United States. In 2022, it rose from 14,000 to 15,633 per student, per school year. And that includes all the overhead and the teachers. So think if they put $5,000 even a year into each student in terms of equipment, obviously with AI, you have to have more technology and things like that, but less physical teachers.

The unfortunate part is it does take away jobs in that sense, but they can evolve, right? Like, but a third even of the costs that we're putting into the public education system now could go towards these like programs that system now could go towards these like programs that help you know the the hardware and the software to teach students at a tailored individual level right and it could be significantly better and you know you yeah and imagine if you could add to it so like you have your standard curriculum that all kids need to learn like basic math english whatever they've got to learn these certain things some Some science, some civics, religious studies, whatever it is. They have the basic core. And then the teacher, I mean, the student or the student's parents could even tailor

it a little bit in a direction that they decide for themselves. So let's say this student really likes science or the parents really want this student to be an engineer or a lawyer or a doctor, then they could steer a bit of their program. It doesn't mean that they're doing med school work in high school, but they're leaning towards that kind of thinking and curriculum. Whereas conversely, you still have your basic classes met, but maybe one student and their parents agree, hey, they're going to be a mechanic and own like, they're going to do like maybe plumbing or they're going to be like own a construction company. So then they could tailor it in a slightly different way.

And just kind of lean a little bit into that direction. So another search I did, countries that are already using AI in education, China, Japan, and the Republic of Korea and Singapore are already integrating AI focused curriculum for schools. So let's watch those countries. Let's see what they're doing and how it affects, you know, how it benefits. Or jump on and get going. Like what do we have to wait a generation to find out they've made a shitload of geniuses and now we're like,

why is everyone so dumb in this country? Well, you know. It's like, we'll be too dumb to figure it out. The next little bit that they got into was kind of the food differences in America and maybe the rest of the world and just kind of like what it's like to live in food deserts and the rest of it. So we're going to play a bit of a clip from this.

If you look at a picture of me in Sri Lanka, I look like old Dave Chappelle. I was like this, I was just a total stick figure. Within one year of being in North America, in this case in Canada, when you look at the school pictures, I was fat. And my parents are making the same things because they wanted to have that comfort of what they were used to. So I don't know if it was the food supply or not, but you know, it has to be. It has to be. It has to be. Everybody says the same thing. And then my whole family has struggled with it, you know. So I think that there's something, and then when I go now to Italy as a different reference example, it's like, it's the best shape of my life. Yeah, it's completely different. Even when you eat things like pizza over there.

You don't feel like you ate a brick. If I have eaten pizza here and I love it, but when I'm over I'm like, oh, what did you do? What did you do? Like you ate a brick, but over there it's just food. It tastes great. The pasta doesn't bother you. Nothing bothers you. It's just whatever they're doing. And it's there's many things. Just just one of them they're not using enriched flour. Yeah I mean we can we can add to that we've heard this before at the moment we're in Portugal and I think that we go out and get bread or pizza or pasta and we've noticed we're not as tired. It just doesn't weigh you out in the same way. Yeah.

And- We were talking the other week, you had to, I mean, you probably eat less and you burn more calories just to get your food to you. We don't have a car while we're here, so we have to walk a mile to get your food, put it on your back in a backpack and walk it back to you. So whatever you decide to consume, there's that.

So I think there's some mindfulness that comes into it as well. And some just like general activity difference, but you're a hundred percent. Right. The food itself doesn't make you feel as bad as you do when you eat it in the US. Like going to a bakery, it's like the pastries are not covered in powdered sugar and chocolate and, you know, like they're just, they're sweet just enough, but it's like, they're, they're very light and refreshing almost. And yeah, the.

Yeah. You can eat a donut here and not need a nap. No. Yeah. Like you really can. Yeah. And there's like some of the croissants we've had too. I mean, they're like heavy buttery pastry. Yeah. Like that's all the worst stuff that should just make you feel completely wrecked. Yeah.

And I can eat like four of them here. And I'm like, I feel pretty good. We could jog. But it was interesting that example that he gives because he was like, you know, we came from Sri Lanka and I lived in Sri Lanka for a year, beautiful country, incredible place. One of my, like some of the best time in my life.

And the foods are often brilliant, it's amazing. You gotta be careful, like coming from the West, we can get sick quite a bit with, you know, if you get to eat some of the street food or we just not ready for kind of like the impact of what it hits you. But the flavors are amazing, just the stuff they do with it. Incredible. And for them to go to Canada and then be like, oh, we want to make the same stuff. They probably found their Sri Lankan community and, you know, knew how to kind of source some

of the ingredients yet it was the American version of it, and they were all gaining a shitload of weight. I mean, it kind of makes sense that if you just eat rice all the time, you would get big, but people in Sri Lanka do not. People in Asia are not big. They eat rice all the time. Yeah.

Yet you do any carb loading in the US, and it's just blob city. It just happens. It's a great way to explain it. It's just a completely different thing. Yeah, I think almost anyone that spent time in a European country or really any other country besides the United States, maybe Canada, I don't know, I've never actually been to Canada, but you would say that you feel different when you eat in another country.

Like you just don't feel as, you don't feel weighed down after you've eaten. What your math says something really interesting, he said, really what started to happen is the big cigarette companies bought into the food industry in the US. Gross. And they basically used some of the same scientists companies bought into the food industry in the US. And they basically used some of the same scientists that made cigarettes as absolutely addictive

as possible. And they went, let's make food as addictive as legally possible so that it gives them, gives you the best feeling immediately and makes you want it the most again. And we're not concerned about health at all. We're just trying to put things in that won't get us sued. It's gross. And that's kind of how they went about it. And they did, they're really good at it.

They're really good at making things addictive. And often things that are addictive for whatever reason are very toxic to us. And that's an actual thing that happened in the States. And I think we've been paying for it for how many years? 40, 50 years or whenever they did this. Yeah. I had M&Ms the other day and it was the same thing.

It was like the colors aren't even as vibrant as they are in the other day. And it was the same thing. It was like, the colors aren't even as vibrant as they are in the United States. They just don't, it's just not as sweet. They're not as candy coated. Like you can physically like see the difference when it comes to like processed foods here, that they're just not done the same way. And then they're more mindful of what is going

into the consumer's bodies and you know. Yeah, it was, isn't that like one of the slogans like it doesn't melt in your hands? Was that Eminem? I don't know. It's like one of the candies, I think. Maybe. But truly, it's like, you know, like you can't they don't have red. There's no red because you know, they don't allow red dye, you know, like you can get like an orange Eminem, but there's no red M&M in Europe.

So it's just interesting to me. It just makes me feel like, oh, I can just go eat whatever I want, which obviously I still try to not do, but you just don't feel as gross. I think it's pretty cool. There we go. Yeah, the fact that cigarette companies

are involved in our food is absolutely disgusting. And I think that that's where like the Food and Drug Administration should draw the line, in my opinion. You know, they need to have some regulation as to like, you know, companies that have products that have these like major warnings about health and like how deadly they are should absolutely not have anything to do with our food production and and they should be highly highly regulated on anything that they produce even more so than they are obviously right but they they should there should be a bit like a like a conflict of involvement

type you know issue with them legally that they they can't be involved. I just looked it up by the late 1940s M&Ms were widely available to the public the popular slogan it melts in your mouth not in your hands was trademarked in 1954 Yeah, that's the slogan for M&Ms and you know, my guess would be a shitload of all kinds of wacky chemicals Stopped did they chuckle and melting and it's not just that sugary coating. It's a lot of other wacky stuff. Anyway, yeah Yeah, Chamath was excellent smart guy interesting dude. Yeah, it was really really interesting to listen to him

Yeah, I want to keep keep my eye out for more of that guy's stuff. Okay, jumping over to Sean Ryan. Again, big fan of Sean Ryan, so great to see these guys together. Yeah, where do we even start? He said some big stuff, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, they got into it. Remember, Sean has been doing podcasts for years. He has a wealth

of knowledge from all kinds of different people coming in. Obviously, Rogan, the same thing. So really, this was like two podcasts, the masters, just kind of linking up and sharing kind of what their experience has been and yeah it was... I will say like you know kind of starting to tune in to Rogan in the last couple of years the that's what has always interested me about his podcast in general it's like just the diverse amount of like people and guests that he has on and I'm like gosh can you imagine how much he's learning and how much his mind just spins with all these things?

Imagine having access to absolutely anybody that you would ever want to communicate with. Yeah. And you know what? I want to know about this. Let's find the bleeding expert. So here's what's really cool about this. So Jay Leno, they used to do the Tonight Show. Late Show.

Or the Late Night Show. Yeah. Anyway, so Jay pretty much openly didn't give a fuck about most of those guests. He really didn't, he didn't choose them. They were always, whoever the PR person or publicist or you know, was like, these people are big at the moment and they've got a book or they've got this and that. So Jay has to like pretend to be interested in them.

And it's one thing Rogan always said, he's like, I won't, nobody picks my guess. Like right now he even has a policy that's just personal to him, but he won't even get someone on the show if one of his friends says, Hey, you've got to have this guy in the show. Like he's, he's made it because his whole life would be people telling him who to have on that show if he allowed it. So now he's like, I just have who I want. And I do, I think it's kind of like one of those ideological things to say like, oh yeah, it sounds really cool that you say this, but of course you still want the people on that give you the most downloads. I really don't think that's true.

If you look at his top downloaded podcasts, like the top 20 of Rogan, um, you know, it's Elon, it's, it's, um, Bob Lazar. I think they've got, uh, Graham Hancock in there, Randall Carlson, um, Russell Brand one up there, obviously Alex Jones, but it's difficult for Rogan to have Alex on anymore. You know, he has these, even Joey Diaz, but he could just keep having those guys on a lot more,

or at least some of them, if it was all about hits. But he'd have a fucking lady on that specializes in beekeeping. You know, and there's no way he did that. You never heard someone more enthusiastic about beekeeping than Joe Rogan interviewing someone about beekeeping. Well, he wants to know how it fucking works. I enjoy his enthusiasm so much about anything and everything and his excitement over like some of the little things. But he gets it in his head that like he wants to know about this or he finds someone that like sparks his interest and he dives in for three and a half

hours he dives into that. Well here's what I would say and I would challenge anybody and you know not that people listen to this wouldn't like Rogan so I'm only talking to the choir because these are only Rogan fans yeah but the next time you're having a conversation with someone and they're like, oh, I don't fucking care for that Joe Rogan guy. Be like, okay, when was the last time you had a conversation with somebody for three hours and let them primarily only talk about what they were interested in? Yeah.

You didn't bring up what you like, though Rogan probably will bring up an elk meat a couple of times. As in, I say hunting and his Tesla and his Cybertruck. It always comes back. Yeah. UFOs. This is a few common threads. Yeah.

He's like, real quick, the pyramids. Like, damn it, Rogan. But seriously, think about it. He does this like four or five times a week. Yeah. And it's, he gives him three hours. He could change all of his podcast tomorrow to one hour. Yeah. He would do the same amount of podcast per week, but now they're only one hour long.

And just as many people would listen to him and he'd make just as much money. But he wouldn't get to the bottom of what he's trying to figure out from these people. His sweet spot is that he's figured out three hours. And almost no one else can do that. No one else even gets close. I don't even want to talk to you for three hours. We barely do 45 minutes on this. I'm already like, God, I wish I could just be on my phone right now.

But it's so true. like, God, I wish I could just be on my phone right now. But it's so true. Yeah. And, um, you know, I've tried, I think I did like an hour. 50 once that was like the longest part I ever did. And it was for another buddy show. Yeah. And I straight up needed a piss like three times. Yeah.

Well, and Joe just does, he's like, I gotta go pee. Well, but that's, and Joe just does. He's like, I gotta go pee out of a pot. But that's new though. I mean, seriously, for like a decade, he was a world-class champion. He never went. But what I think he started to realize is his guests felt pressured,

and they were like literally on the verge of pissing themselves. Hey, well, there's a lot going on. It's not just that it's a long time. There's pressure there. Yeah. You know, your body's kind of excited and especially if you're not used to being on a podcast, right?

And knowing what his audience, the volume of people that listen, you're like, oh my gosh, it's like hundreds of thousands of people are going to listen to this. And I have to pee and I have to pee. Exactly. Yeah. And you're trying to kind of keep a really solid thought, but all you can do is get close Millions. And I have to pee. So it's fine. Exactly. Yeah. And you're trying to kind of keep a really solid thought, but all you can do is get close to paying.

Yeah. It's, yeah, it's, it's pretty ugly. One thing that they started out with that really stood out to me is that something like a third of drugs that come to the market get recalled in, I think it was like five years. I can't remember, but that's scary stuff. That's scary. Well, it's either recalled or like some new warning label. Yeah.

But I think it highlights just how, well, one, when new drugs come to the market, you should chill out on taking them until they've been tested. You know, it takes a while. We have a lot of checks and balances, but it seems like not enough. Right. And ultimately it seems like these drugs are like, whatever your ailment is, you should do your best to be like, okay, now it's time to take it seriously and I'm just going to like eat right or act right or kind of work around it.

Now, obviously that's not possible for every medication, but it is for the majority of the ones people take. Right. Like a huge majority. Well, when I think about those types of things, like the alternative to taking a prescription medication, like even say my parents, you know, they're aging, they're in their sixties, they're, you know, they have these problems, they have some pre-existing conditions, they have some health, you know, family history things, and it's like, did their doctor say, I, I implore you to spend six months doing all of the other things that could help eliminate the need for this medication before prescribing it? Probably not. The

doctor was probably just like, oh, yep, just take this and it'll fix your issues. Oh, people, doctors will hand out statins like nobody's business. No, just keep doing what you're doing, eating what you're eating, sitting all you're sitting and here's take this medication. And then you come to find out five, 10 years later

that there's all these side effects or these like recalls on it. And you know, there's obviously, there nothing that's going to be a negative side effect of eating right and exercising more. It's all going to be positive. So like, why is that not the first line of defense for imagine? Imagine if the policy was this, they basically scare the shit out of you with this medication. They're like, let me read the side effects. Explosive diarrhea, blood in your poo, Vomiting, cross-eyed, way dumber. Like whatever it is, right?

Just horrible things, spasms in your hand, your hair falls out, your nose falls off. So they read all this and then they're like, this is what happened to you, but it will lower your blood pressure. I'm gonna put you on this in a month if you don't change some things. And here's some things you can do in that month.

And I need to see this number lower. Right? This isn't a threat or whatever. You can just get on the medication anyway. But instead of being like, oh, this medication is good and we'll fix it all. Say this medication is not good for you for many things. Yeah.

Even though it will lower your blood pressure. But here's how you do it without being on this and therefore having all this other shit happen to you. Yeah. Like liver damage, kidneys, whatever. And then it's like go away, eat slightly better, a little less, go for a jog, you know, a walk, whatever. You just do some things for one month. And if you come back and the numbers are low enough, I won't put you on it.

And we continue this path of like, you can now try some other things. Why that's important is it still gives people that can't be bothered and will never change their bad habits. It doesn't pressure them into anything other than waiting that month. Then they still get the medication, but it gives so many other people a chance to make real positive changes in their lives. And then it's really empowering, right? It doesn't empower the doctor. It empowers the patient to be like, holy shit, I can make changes.

I can work out, I can eat better, I can drink less, and just be a bit healthier. Yeah, I mean, obviously there is an important level of like, we need these medications. Well, I think some of them are needed in our world. There's people that have these serious medical conditions and these are life-saving drugs sometimes. So don't get me wrong,

I don't say that there's no place for them. I just, what is the first line of defense? Is it go to the extreme level of take all the risk and have all these potential side effects? Or is it, here is the first, like saying, exercise, eat better, do it for six weeks, do it for eight weeks or whatever it takes to start seeing some change and some changes in your lifestyle

to get you to the place you wanna be over the long term. And this can sort of help, but just like giving someone a solution or a pill, a magic pill to fix all of their problems. It's not actually gonna fix the problem, it's just gonna cover it up. Yeah. It's just scary stuff. It's scary stuff. Talking about scary stuff.

Trump is now had two assassination attempts. They really don't talk about either in the news. It's like, I think the first one was just way too big of an eye-opener to media to realize, holy shit, this is, if we talk about this a lot, this is going to give Trump a lot of support. However, there's been two potential. One very real, shot him in the ear. The other one looked pretty fucking real too. And how is this not more talked about? I mean, if this was Joe Biden or Harris, it would be all you'd hear about every day. For sure.

Because that it's kind of what should be happening. That I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to Harris or Biden and then it's all the media talked about because it's a big deal. It should be talked about our leaders should not or people running for leadership should not be put in the way of. Yeah, I don't disagree that like if he if they were in the exact same position That they still might not Be like it still may be different, right? Like they still maybe talk about it on a different scale

But you know, I the way I see it is he is not the sitting president or vice president, so I mean it's I and I also don't necessarily see the second attempt as like a full on attempt. I think it was like sort of heightened awareness and sort of like people being on edge and obviously like not acceptable. It shouldn't have the intention to harm anyone ever.

I'm not a believer in that, but I think maybe it was more just like someone wanting sort of attention for themselves, but not really hoping to make that attempt. But I'm no expert. That's just when I look at all of the circumstances of both situations, the first one was very obvious and it was a big deal for like 24 hours and then it sort of died out. And you're right, if it was an attempt on the current sitting president Regardless of who it was I do think that there would be more talk about it or the current sitting vice president But also he was a president once too. Yeah, there's been no attempts on retired presidents

In our history if they would be a big deal if it was any president Yeah Like if someone tried to shoot Clinton and he hasn't been president for a long time. It would be a big deal if it was any president. Yeah. Like if someone tried to shoot Clinton and he hasn't been president for a long time, it would be a big news deal. It would be a big deal. Yeah. I mean, these people, whether you like them or not,

they represented the highest office. Do you know what is the criminal charge? Is it different if you try to assassinate a former president versus a sitting president? Oh, I doubt no, I doubt it. I mean, I don't think it would be any different than like a regular murder charge, but there also might be like treason. I was gonna say like charges in there. Yeah. You know, they could be something like that. I'm not sure. I mean, it's, listen, it's a big deal.

Of course. You can't be, you can't be taken out like the world leader of America or even the ex version of it. I mean, even, I guess, I guess the big feeling is like, it's kind of shocking to me that there wasn't more outrage even from the Biden side. It's like, if there's one thing all the presidents can agree on is that it's an unusual position to hold and it's a, it's a sacred one in a lot of ways. And it's one that they're all uniquely bound to. Even if they fought with each other or have different opinions, it's like,

you got to be the president. That's very rare Within your lifetime how many presidents or ex-presidents could be alive? Right, right. Not many maybe four five Yeah, we've Carter's just about die and then Who else so that was like I mean Reagan's gone George seniors gone. George senior's gone. We've got Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump. So that's six.

Yeah, I was going to say six or eight, but yeah. I mean, I think it just depends also. People are living longer, so. Yeah. Hold the mic closer to your face. People are living longer. No, no, that's true. You know, so maybe we will start getting more, but just my point is it's like, it's a select club. It's like, you know, the ultimate fraternity group and they, they all have this like unique, um, understanding of what that position is and you know, to have people coming out and trying to kill one of them,

it's like, hey, hey, hey, this club is unkillable. You don't get to do this. Yeah. It just seems like a big deal to me. And I can see why they thought the same thing. Like glossing over it is not a a good move but we're gonna do we're gonna do uh joe did talk a little bit on this about his move to spotify i mean they talked about censorship you know sean ryan knows a little bit about it obviously youtube likes to

demonetize things so there's problems there um joe had been to dinner with some top execs at YouTube and from that conversation realized that they didn't share his philosophy on things because they had demonetized one of Sam Harris' conversations just because he basically spoke factually about something and they didn't like it. And they didn't really look into it. It was just like, oh, he's known for being this way. So we just, it was best to do this. And, you know, Joe learned a lot from it.

And when Spotify came to him, he was like, well, a big payday, you know, it ended up being something around 200 million, even though at first we heard 100, but there was some backend stuff. 200 million and everyone had to re-subscribe to his show, which was a ballsy ass move. When he did that, I was like, whoa, that's brave. Cause he already has, with a podcast, you have a thing called an RSS feed. So like your URL, It's like your fingerprint.

He made a new one. So he kept the other one that was massive and everyone subscribed to, but didn't post anything for the whole time he was on the exclusive Spotify deal. And everyone had to then go over to Spotify and sign up. And you know, no one had ever tried that, especially him being the biggest. But he said, honestly, I wanted to become kind of, I wanted a shitload of money, which is not only reasonable, but I believe it because who would say no to that? And that's obviously what he wants. The bit that's harder to believe is saying I wanted to be less famous, but everything lines up with that being true. It just seems to.

It's like, why would you make that move? I think he wanted to see how famous he actually was. Could he have done that? And it worked out just as well, right? Was he famous enough that that change didn't actually affect his viewership? Don't get me wrong. I think that if he had gone over to Spotify,

taken all that money, and his numbers plummeted, he wouldn't feel very good about it. Yeah. However, he was so big. If he was just probably like floating around the top three, I think he'd be okay with that. Yeah. The fact is now he is like in the stratosphere since COVID of fame. Now he's gone back to YouTube, iTunes, the rest of it.

I mean, he's probably looking at. I wouldn't be surprised if he hit like 40 million plus downloads, maybe 30 million views per episode. I mean, that's absurd. Yeah. I mean, that could be, that's, it could be a hundred million in a week. Yeah. I mean, which honestly, I think he was possibly doing before.

He doesn't release the numbers, so it's hard to know. But like, you can look at YouTube numbers and the clip numbers. You can kind of gauge some things from there, like what's likely. And then they do have charts, so they do release where he is on the charts, which is always high. So it's just absurd level of fame. And also I think, you know, an interesting move. But the point was that he did it because he didn't like the way iTunes worked.

He didn't like the demonetization. You know, and I think it's good to be at a pushback like that. Because so many people like kind of enslaved to it really. Yeah. They're stuck there. They just got to put up with it. to be at a pushback like that because so many people like kind of enslaved to it really. Yeah. It's stuck there. It just got to put up with it. Yeah.

So there's that. And oh, the last bit that I wanted to get into is they were talking about just kind of like the supply chain of things, everything since COVID, that's reason, you know, Sean really started to distrust what's going on in the US and he kind of like, basically the US lost a good patriot because of the frustration of the behavior of things there. Our supply chains for goods fell the pieces because we realized we get

everything from China, you know, different places, but a lot from China and they're making a ton of our stuff. So you know, should they be and if they are, which they are, how much of it is like bugged with freaking their malware. Oh, dangerous. Scary thought. Yeah, not good, right? Yeah.

I mean, it's so hard like try to picture life without anything. It's made in China. It's like you can't. I mean, everything from our phones to the air filters that we have, right? Like, I mean, literally everything is manufactured over there. To some extent. I mean, I think you can buy things manufactured in other countries, but they may, there's like not anything that they like don't manufacture.

And it's sprinkled all throughout our homes and our communities. And, and yeah, I I mean there's no telling the the reach that they have on our and the grasp they have on our economy and our just daily like day-to-day life here in our country oh that's a scary thought that they could you know have some manipulative power over us in that way. Yeah. Yeah, like they can literally turn off our power grid tomorrow because they built all the Transformers, you know? Or they know exactly how to just destroy it. I mean, it's terrifying stuff.

It really is. But yeah, that's it. Well, that's it for this week. Yeah, Sean, Chamath, Solid, and yeah, I don't know what else to say. Anything else? I think that's it. That's it. Tired of talking to you. All right. Talk to you guys next week. Love you all. Later.